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INTERVIEW: Jonathan Majors On Worthiness, Unpacking Trauma, Rebirth, Meagan Good, Marvel + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 5: In the morning Breakfast Club, Ye walk most Dangerous want
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  Speaker 5: to show to Breakfast Club CHARLAMAGNEA god justs hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: Laurenn Leo Say is in filling in for DJ Envy, and.
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  Speaker 5: We got a very special guest in the building man
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  Speaker 5: one of the most gifted actors of our generation, probably
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  Speaker 5: the most gifted, mister Jonathan Major.
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  Speaker 4: How are you, brother, morning, I'm doing good. I'm doing
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  Speaker 4: I'm doing a lot better now, Okay, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: And you're just officially tied to that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: How does it feel that, you know, you finally lock
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  Speaker 6: down your corrective.
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  Speaker 3: Cup.
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  Speaker 7: It's uh, it's beautiful, you know, it's uh, it's the
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  Speaker 7: ending of a chapter, in the beginning of a chapter.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm at a place where we got married on
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  Speaker 7: the eighteenth. That was a couple of days ago, a
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  Speaker 7: couple sleeps ago. And it happened when it happened, because
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  Speaker 7: it won't be planning it. Yeah, but uh, I felt
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  Speaker 7: worthy of her, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on black man. I felt worthy of her. It's
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  Speaker 1: found that. Yeah, yeah it.
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  Speaker 7: She is an incredible, incredible woman. And I had to
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  Speaker 7: get to that level, you know, uh, spiritually, socially, emotionally,
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  Speaker 7: I had to mature a lot.
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  Speaker 4: And she.
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  Speaker 7: Caught me at a time when I was in I
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  Speaker 7: was in a bad way, you know, and I was
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  Speaker 7: very upfront about that, and she said, all right, got
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  Speaker 7: on the plane and came to New York City and
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  Speaker 7: sat with me on the on the couch and held
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  Speaker 7: me when you know, when it was all going down
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  Speaker 7: at the heaviest place.
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  Speaker 4: And the more.
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  Speaker 7: I got to look at her, I was like, damn,
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  Speaker 7: I love this woman, you know. And then when marriage
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  Speaker 7: became a thing, when it was like I'm going to
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  Speaker 7: marry her, I said, wait, but marriages, I ain't. That
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  Speaker 7: ain't no joke, you know what I mean. And I
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  Speaker 7: had to really evaluate myself even deeper. You know, if
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  Speaker 7: I was to wed this particular woman and she just
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  Speaker 7: helped me grow so much, and I wasn't I needed
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  Speaker 7: to be worthy of her and be worthy of her
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  Speaker 7: patience and her time, and that she wasn't wasting her
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  Speaker 7: time on me, you know. So I had I couldn't
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  Speaker 7: waste my time on me, and so I had to
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  Speaker 7: get myself right.
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  Speaker 4: And then we did it. Yeah, yeah, and the journey continues,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like like the marriage is happiest day of
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  Speaker 4: my life, you know.
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  Speaker 5: He is, like, what type of work did you put
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  Speaker 5: in to be the man that you know, she she
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  Speaker 5: was worthy of.
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  Speaker 4: Had to get my mind right, you know. I had
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  Speaker 4: a lot of I just had a lot of a
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  Speaker 4: lot of ship that was just piled up that.
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  Speaker 7: I I never really dealt with, you know, and those
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  Speaker 7: things hindered me socially, emotionally, spiritually.
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  Speaker 4: Even a relationship with.
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  Speaker 7: With my God, you know, was not where it needed
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  Speaker 7: to be, you know, and she being such a strong
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  Speaker 7: woman of God, that became clear that I need to
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  Speaker 7: work on that. So, I mean, y'all seen the movie,
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  Speaker 7: and you y'all know me, you know, so I look
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  Speaker 7: at something like that and it's like, all right, Jay,
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  Speaker 7: what you're gonna do.
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  Speaker 4: I'm an actor. I appreciate the word you said. Man.
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  Speaker 7: I trained for eleven years NonStop for acting summers whatever.
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  Speaker 4: I'm an athlete.
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  Speaker 7: I lifted, I ran, I did that, And every time
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  Speaker 7: I did that, I had I had a team of
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  Speaker 7: people around me to make me ah, to make me
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  Speaker 7: worthy of those jobs and that occupation. And I didn't
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  Speaker 7: do that for me, you know, I didn't do that
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  Speaker 7: for myself. And so the process of becoming worthy, you know,
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  Speaker 7: for her I thought, well, apply.
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  Speaker 4: The same thing.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I had eight different acting coaches, eight different
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  Speaker 7: you know, I went to two different schools.
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  Speaker 4: Just do the same thing for yourself. Brother, you know,
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  Speaker 4: so I did you know the court helped me out
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  Speaker 4: with one of them.
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  Speaker 6: Uh uh.
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  Speaker 7: And I love I love I actually love those guys,
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  Speaker 7: you know what I mean. I love that situation. I've
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  Speaker 7: always talcome to my my therapist, you know, I'm I'm
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  Speaker 7: gonna stick with it, you know, and and do the
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  Speaker 7: uh the peer counseling, you know when all this is
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  Speaker 7: you know, I got yeah, oh man, I'm on my
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  Speaker 7: last my last one, oh your last session, last one.
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  Speaker 7: I think, yeah, we're getting we're getting close to the end.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, I'm gonna stick with it because I'm seeing
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  Speaker 7: you know, you know, other other people come in and
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  Speaker 7: that's beautiful, you know. So I'm gonna stick with that.
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  Speaker 7: My my pastor, you know, Darius Daniels at Changed Church, incredible,
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  Speaker 7: incredible man. You know, mentor friend life coach, you know,
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  Speaker 7: my other personal therapist, the men's group I started, you know,
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  Speaker 7: the business I started. You know, all these people that
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  Speaker 7: can just go aj you know, they go from pulling
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  Speaker 7: my coattail being like, oh, oh that's different, you know
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  Speaker 7: what I mean, you know, And so just keeping those
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  Speaker 7: folks around me too, to help keep me up right,
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  Speaker 7: you know, and and mirror back to me what it
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  Speaker 7: is I'm doing, you know. And I feel I'm smiling
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  Speaker 7: because I'm in such a great place, you know what
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  Speaker 7: I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I've just never been I've never been so happy,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 7: And uh, it's hard to say, but I don't think
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  Speaker 7: i've I think I've I had fact similes of happiness
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  Speaker 7: growing up, but but.
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  Speaker 1: Never happy, you know that moments moments there, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: You know what I mean saying oh you got jat wicked.
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  Speaker 7: Oh you're doing this wicked. Oh you're doing that wicked.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 7: But there's a part of me all that, all that
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  Speaker 7: I heard, all that trauma, all those things I needed
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  Speaker 7: to work out, you know, that wouldn't allow that.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 7: Now we got those out there. Now, we're getting those
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  Speaker 7: out of the system, and a lot of them have
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  Speaker 7: been identified.
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  Speaker 4: And if you can't see it, you can't change it.
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  Speaker 7: And so someone was thrown in my face and some
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  Speaker 7: I went and found, you know, because I felt confident
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  Speaker 7: and I felt supported to do that.
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  Speaker 4: So that's the process before you.
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  Speaker 8: Did you ever feel like through any of that, like
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  Speaker 8: you were scared or nervous that like Megan would be like, Yo,
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  Speaker 8: this is too much for me.
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  Speaker 3: What was that like for you?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? All the time.
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  Speaker 7: Well, as I said, it's just like I told her
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  Speaker 7: from the jump, like this is gonna be crazy, a wild,
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  Speaker 7: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: But when you're all in it and it's like the.
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  Speaker 4: Press, Yeah, but we're like, I'm sorry now, I was.
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  Speaker 8: Gonna say, because she's also a name, and so I
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  Speaker 8: think that there was a lot thrown on her as well,
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  Speaker 8: because people were like, Megan, good, why are you doing this?
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  Speaker 4: Are Yeah? Yeah, I had a lot of that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I had a lot of Sure, I had a lot of.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I mean, we're in a relationship, now, we're
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  Speaker 7: in a marriage. You know, I'll keep it straight. We
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  Speaker 7: had moments of like, hey, babe, it's cool, you know
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  Speaker 7: what I mean. I love you more than I can imagine,
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  Speaker 7: but you gotta you know, the ship's going down. You
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  Speaker 7: know you better, I'm jack, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 7: You let go of me and you go get it.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 7: That was a big thing, and she took so many
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  Speaker 7: she took so many hits, you know, because of it,
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  Speaker 7: you know, she took I don't think she bound me
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  Speaker 7: saying like, yeah, she wasn't in the they weren't announcing it,
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  Speaker 7: but like she lost endorsements. You know, we got uninvited
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  Speaker 7: to stuff. You know, she got uninvited to stuff because
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  Speaker 7: she has shown just how down she was. And they
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  Speaker 7: knew if if Megan's coming, Jay's coming, you know I'm coming.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, she took an incredible hit, you know, and then
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  Speaker 7: just walking around you know what I mean, like a
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  Speaker 7: lot of our a lot of our work because you
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  Speaker 7: guys know it's like socializing, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 6: And we asked her that when she was up here
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  Speaker 6: as well, you know, like the same question that Lauren
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  Speaker 6: just asked you. Did you ever feel like that was
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  Speaker 6: too much? In sheet said no, she knew that lady
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  Speaker 6: has God, that lady. Yes, yes, she talked about you
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  Speaker 6: with the same smile on her face that you have,
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  Speaker 6: you know, and strong, very strong woes.
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  Speaker 7: She's stronger than me, you know, she's stronger than me.
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  Speaker 7: You know, she kept me up. It continues to keep
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  Speaker 7: me up. Before we walked in here, she was praying,
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  Speaker 7: come on, come on sah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and now I understand the correta understand that I
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  Speaker 6: do because even though you know it's a lot of
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  Speaker 6: jokes that came with it and a lot of things,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you actually did a lot for me on stage.
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  Speaker 6: I'm a comedian, so I used the jokes a lot. Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 6: But hearing you talk about that, you know how she
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  Speaker 6: prays with you, for you.
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  Speaker 1: She flew to New.
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  Speaker 6: York to sit there and you cried in her arms,
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  Speaker 6: like you know, it just always. It just also shows
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  Speaker 6: the backbone of black women can be you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: d black woman, black black.
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  Speaker 5: That's the only thing you can't say. You can't use
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  Speaker 5: the term credit for a white woman. Yeah, do you
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  Speaker 5: regret that? You know, I've seen people say you are
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  Speaker 5: at a career crossroad with this film. Magazine Dreams, by
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  Speaker 5: the way, phenomenal for not when I say a phenomenal film,
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  Speaker 5: I give Magazine Dreams a ten out of ten. I
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  Speaker 5: wish they would have stuck the lands and just a
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  Speaker 5: little bit different. And it's like, you know, when you
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  Speaker 5: watch it again, there's like little technical stuff. I been like,
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  Speaker 5: I wish they would have explored that a lot more.
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  Speaker 5: But brother, the job you did in that movie. My god,
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  Speaker 5: how hard was it to get the character of Killian
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  Speaker 5: Maddicks out of you?
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  Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about the character for other
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  Speaker 1: and then tell us how hard it was.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, sir, so, Killian Maddicks is a aspiring bodybuilder. He uh,
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  Speaker 7: he moves to the world a bit. As far as
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  Speaker 7: his mental state, he's a bit different, right, he's a
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  Speaker 7: bit different.
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  Speaker 4: And as an.
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  Speaker 5: Understatement, yeah, yeah, yeahstatement, he's a unique character.
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  Speaker 7: I would say, we've not seen a character especially you know,
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  Speaker 7: we'll keep it straight here, right, we never We have
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  Speaker 7: not seen a black actor, male or female. And if
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  Speaker 7: we have, you know, someone howled at me and let
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  Speaker 7: me know, Jay, you misspoke.
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  Speaker 4: Blah blah blah. You know, no, and I'll take it back.
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  Speaker 1: But who comparable?
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  Speaker 4: But to my understanding, I mean, I've not seen our demographic.
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  Speaker 7: You know, someone who is from the African diaspora participate
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  Speaker 7: in a film that had a protagonist that got to
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  Speaker 7: live in that odd, unique, beautifully unique space. You know,
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  Speaker 7: as as the film goes, you find out, you know,
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  Speaker 7: some of the reasons of that. He's dealt with incredible
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  Speaker 7: childhood trauma. But his dream is to get his pro
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  Speaker 7: card pro card is like making it into the league
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  Speaker 7: for a bodybuilder, and he's working hard to do that.
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  Speaker 7: And as he's trying to do that, he's dealing with
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  Speaker 7: the trials and tribulations of his uniqueness and also of
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  Speaker 7: his blackness, of his size, of his gender. You know,
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  Speaker 7: all these things come into play. And so he's as
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  Speaker 7: he's aspiring and working towards that, he has to deal
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  Speaker 7: with a lot of a lot of stuff and and
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  Speaker 7: ultimately he's trying to connect and uh, the last little
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  Speaker 7: bit is he's infatuated with essentially the what would you say, Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: the top of the top.
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  Speaker 4: You know, this guy.
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  Speaker 7: Named vander Horn who is the you know, top bodybuilder.
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  Speaker 7: That's his aspiration.
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  Speaker 4: Uh. And the thing about that which is interesting is
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  Speaker 4: that he is a you know, six five.
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  Speaker 7: Hercule and white god. And that's something that he has
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  Speaker 7: to wrestle with, you know, this idea of the American
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  Speaker 7: dream and celebrity and fame and all these things, and uh,
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  Speaker 7: you know, there's a lot there's a lot of movie there.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I think that's the best I can kind
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  Speaker 7: of put it out there. But uh, he's trying, and
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  Speaker 7: he's he's striving, and he's trying, you know, to do better,
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  Speaker 7: and he's trying to use the tools, but he can't
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  Speaker 7: really get there, you know. But ultimately, well, you guys
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  Speaker 7: will see.
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  Speaker 4: What you guys have seen.
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  Speaker 5: How much of it, because that's why I asked it
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  Speaker 5: hard to get the character out of use? How much
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  Speaker 5: of it was acting? How much of it was actual projection?
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  Speaker 8: You wreck stuff in the first like twenty like you
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  Speaker 8: the story like you tear stuff down fast.
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  Speaker 5: It it happens, fasts on how much of it was acting.
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  Speaker 7: Or projection, well, actings actings of I mean, I'm sure,
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  Speaker 7: I mean your comedian, you know, you know we're using ourselves, right,
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  Speaker 7: We're using ourselves a lot. And then that's the idea
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  Speaker 7: is a craft, you know, like I can't just get
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  Speaker 7: up there and be Johnson and tell a story.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I can guess what that's what we're doing now.
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  Speaker 4: But as far as the.
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  Speaker 7: Picture is concerned, Killian, Killian and I have similarities in
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  Speaker 7: many ways. But ultimately, you know, he is a fictitious
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  Speaker 7: character that was made, but the raw materials of him
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  Speaker 7: absolutely came from the mind of Elijah buying them, uh
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  Speaker 7: and myself, you know, and so that that I mean,
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  Speaker 7: I don't want to segue to Elijah bout them, but
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  Speaker 7: I will say, when playing the protagonist, there's no way
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  Speaker 7: you can't use what you have, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: And so the picture was made three years ago, nearly.
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  Speaker 7: Now, and a lot of the things that I've come
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  Speaker 7: to understand about myself were so unresolved. However, in acting,
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  Speaker 7: right and in my process of acting, you.
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  Speaker 4: Are using the subconscious. You're definitely using the subconscious.
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  Speaker 7: And because of that, I go, oh, well, I think
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  Speaker 7: I understand what I mean. I mean, there are scenes
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  Speaker 7: that completely mirror moments in my life, you know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: you know the I'm sure we'll get to that. You
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  Speaker 7: have to ask the question, I'll answer it.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't want to give too much of
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  Speaker 1: the movie.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, but but the answer is yes, there is. But
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  Speaker 7: but in the acting it's not necessarily unprocessed. It's it's
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  Speaker 7: it's unknown things that make themselves relevant through the given
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  Speaker 7: circumstances of the play. You know, I grew up in
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  Speaker 7: the theater of the movie, you know, And so yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, if it's not in you, you can't give it,
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  Speaker 7: you know, And sometimes you have to go find it,
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  Speaker 7: and sometimes it's there and you don't realize it's there,
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  Speaker 7: you know, but that's.
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  Speaker 1: Not the one you want to take home with you.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, it's not.
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  Speaker 5: As I was watching it, I'm like, how much of
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  Speaker 5: that did he take home that ended up ended up
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  Speaker 5: in his real life, especially in light of the you know,
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  Speaker 5: the situation that you.
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  Speaker 7: Had, right, I would say, I would say in this case,
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  Speaker 7: like honestly, because here it is honestly like acting. So
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  Speaker 7: Stella Alller, right, there's all these acting teachers, right, but
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  Speaker 7: Stella Elis are something very very very clear. Growth as
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  Speaker 7: an actor and growth as a human happened simultaneously, right,
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  Speaker 7: And that is something I really live by and something
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  Speaker 7: I understood.
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  Speaker 4: The difference with this picture.
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  Speaker 7: Is it asked so much of the actor, right, It
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  Speaker 7: has so much of the craft that so if this
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  Speaker 7: is the craft, right, and then this is the actor.
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  Speaker 7: This film made me grow so much as an actor, right.
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  Speaker 7: But in doing that, I realized, oh, I was so
• 16:20
  Speaker 7: stunted as a human being. Right, So the answer is no,
• 16:27
  Speaker 7: I didn't. And also I do it for a living,
• 16:29
  Speaker 7: like I know how to shake it off, like I
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: have a very spiritual practice with my hand up.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: You know, I have a very spiritual.
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: Practice when it comes to acting, you know. And so
• 16:43
  Speaker 7: if anything, if anything, it's not that I took anything home.
• 16:47
  Speaker 7: It was that I was accessing things subconsciously that as
• 16:52
  Speaker 7: all actors do subconsciously. That I mean, this guy still
• 16:58
  Speaker 7: was like, no, I know how to do this. Okay,
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: you did it with get done? Put that back away,
• 17:02
  Speaker 7: Put that back away, put that back away.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: And that's what happened, you know, same as all same
• 17:08
  Speaker 7: as all pictures. And yet life goes along, you know.
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: So at this point I can't say, you know, if
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: oh did you carry that? I mean, I've not carried
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: Montgomery Allen home from that black man in San Francisco.
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: I'm not carried, you know, So I don't I don't
• 17:21
  Speaker 7: know if that's uh, if that's the case, but I
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: don't know, you know what I mean.
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: Were there any days on set where you felt like
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: like meltdown or break down? Like was this ever? Was
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: it ever hard for you to film? Triggered?
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: Triggered, triggered once, triggered once there's a scene, yeah, and
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: you ah, there's moments where like you say, oh, they're inspired, right,
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: there's a there's a moment where, uh, something has just
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: happened to the character. Something's just happened to Killian and
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: Elijah buying them and all his wisdom, and that's a talented,
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: talented brother man. We had just finished the scene and
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: I was still I was still up. Yeah, I mean
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: that's why I called. I was still up, you know,
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: and Keeling was still operating. And he's always operating when
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: I'm at work, you know, he's still operating, still operating
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: to the to the point that he came in and said, hey,
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: can you walk out the trailer? So that should let
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: you guys know what. You guys know what the scene is,
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: walk out the trailer and then just process all of
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: that as you're walking out. And this is something that
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: when it's not on the script, right, it's no language.
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: So I can't since he's a target to keep my
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: engine going, right, So I'm living in my imagination and
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: for whatever reason, and now you know, two and a
• 18:49
  Speaker 7: half years later, I understand the reason, right, But I
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: got up. I walked out the trailer and Adam, our
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: beautiful DP was right in front of me. He said,
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: just walk out out and let that happen, right, And
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: I didn't know anything was going to happen.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: You know though I was still hot.
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: I was walking out, and I just felt it's kind
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: of like heat for me when I'm working right like
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: it's I felt all this heat come up. My feet
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: got hot, and then my face got hot, and I went, oh, oh,
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: I'm glad you asked because that was the moment when
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: I realized as I was walking out or maybe I'm
• 19:23
  Speaker 7: just realizing now that wasn't killing crying, right, that was
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: that was me crying, you know what I mean.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: Based off the yeah, based off I'm trying not to
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: get a revelation you gave this week, Yeah, being abused?
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah, got you got you, got you, got you,
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: got you and wow, yeah, I guess in a way
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: that was the that was the beginning of like okay.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: I was like hypnotizing. Then that opened up all hmmm.
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: I was going to ask you because I read that
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: article that you did with when you talked about being abused.
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: Now that you're revealing or well, you're revealing to the world,
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: but you're dealing with because of the therapy and different
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: things that you're doing, all of this internal stuff like
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: are you right now having to go through a different
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: process of like figuring out who you are againt and
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: how does that affect you as an actor, because like
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: you know, like you know, all right, this is the
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: character I'll come in, I'll do this. But like now
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: you're talking to your mom about stuff she didn't know.
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: How you're talking to your past about something they didn't know.
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: It makes you, I don't know, like do you feel
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: like you're like kind of reinventing who Jonathan Matrix is
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: because of things?
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Or rebirth? Rebirth?
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean like only tattoo I have, which my
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: pastor mother was like you grown, You're grown that you
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: want and you know, but yes, it's definitely there's a
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: moment now where I go. I mean, I just I
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: was I was saying, saying the wife, you know, like
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: like I just feel different, you know. And this was
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: this was probably you know, two weeks time ago, Timy moving.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: This is probably just two weeks ago.
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: I was sitting there and I was like, I feel different,
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: Like I just feel different, you know. And there is
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: like I'm I'm gonna do a couple of pictures this year,
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: god willing, but I am nervous, you know, I am nervous.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Nervous that you don't have it the same anymore.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: I don't know what's gonna.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Happen about the audience.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: Gift is gonna make room for you because you just
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: to you too gifted to deny?
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Thank you brother?
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: What is the fear?
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: The fear is uh what? Yeah?
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, just keep it the buck, like, yeah, I fear that,
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: Like is it I've made so much more space, you
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: know what I mean? And it's like, ohwa's is it
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: gonna hit the same?
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: Like? I know the craft? I know that, you know.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know the craft, but I study the craft,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: you know. I stay in it, you know.
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: And it's like, but it goes back to growth as
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: a human, growth as an artist, right right? Okay, so
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: the artist is the artist outgrew the outgrew the self,
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: outgrew me.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: That led to chaos and hell right, but the work
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: was wicked, right, The work was good.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: I just say wicked, But the work was good.
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: Right now, Now, what's gonna happen when the work that
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: I've done and I continue to do on myself now
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: it becomes worthy of the audience's the scripts, the stories
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: of characters I play. What's gonna happen to this guy?
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: You know what?
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: I mean, is he gonna I don't know what's gonna happen.
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: I will say this, I'm nervous, but I'm very excited,
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: you know what I mean. I'm very excited because like that,
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: I've got no you know, I don't got that, you
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: know what I mean. So I'm like, cool, I got it.
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: Like I was thinking about you say bolt right, you
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: say both. I was listening to a podcast and they
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: were talking about you, saying about the fast my own
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: planet is the most jollyus man on the track.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: He's funny, he's laughing, he's doing this thing. And then
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: he didn't. He's the fastest man on the planet.
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: And I go, oh, oh, that's the that's the vibe,
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: Like I can be serious about what I do. I
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: can I can apply my craft. I can really dog
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: myself in the craft. That's the game, you know what
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: I mean. If you want to make something for people,
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: m hmm. My opinion is I want to make something
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: for people that they understand. I care, right, I care
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: about If I'm playing a bodybuilder, I care about the
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: bodybuilding community. If I'm playing Jesse Brown, you know from devotion,
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: I care about his legacy, his family. I apply everything
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: I have into that, right, but you can.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Also laughing joker and have a good time, you know
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: what I mean.
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: And and like that part, that part, I didn't do
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: those things. You know. I was nice and jolly on
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: set and this and this, but there's a part of
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: me that just wouldn't allow myself to you know, I've
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: never seen a movie I made, you know what I mean,
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: you know it's playing the more the more, the more
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: I think about it, I think there was a part
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: of me that felt unworthy of being on the screen, well,
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: unworthy of of of like like that's that's I made
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: it for them, you know, like like you made that
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: art for the people, you struggle for the people, you know,
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: in the art form it's done now, you know. And
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: so I never I never got to close the loop
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: in a way, right, I never got to come back
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: to the to the community.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: I never got to come back to the audience. You know.
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: I know they love the or they didn't love you know,
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: the character or the movie, but I never got to
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: stay connected to them. And that and that's really the
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: biggest part of this. I don't wanner sound like you
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: know this rebirth, that's a word. It's not my neck,
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: I can say it right this rebirth where it's like, oh,
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: connection and help, that's the game, you know what I mean,
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: Connection and help and not just playing you know, the
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: movie star role and like getting trucks for the crew
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: and you know, send them flowers which all comes from
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: my heart.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: But then when they come and say thank you, I
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: couldn't receive it. I couldn't receive love, you see. I
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: could give it, yeah, I mean, but I couldn't receive it.
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: But then love that's been given and you're not receiving
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: is that is that love?
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Like you know, rejection is a common theme with this film.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's what it sounds like you're describing now,
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: Like you're afraid of rejection. Like when Killian's boss says
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: to him, nobody knows you, nobody knows who you are
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: to me. It dismisses everything he wants, you know, the recognition,
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: the being seen, the magazine dreams, so to speak. So
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: how much does that moment increase, you know, Killian's demand
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: for respect and how how much did that hit home
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: for you?
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Hm hmm.
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: I think in that moment in the in the picture
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: where he says that, you know, because he's on his
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: Killian is kill is always riding pretty idling, pretty high.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there is, there is.
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: There is always a sense of like I am always
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: in the room when I'm acting. Right, there's the it's
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: the most here it comes. It is the most unsocialized,
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: the most pure version of myself that that I bring
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: into the art form. It's my nine year old self, right,
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: you know, and you know, as as as the article
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: speaks about in this and this, like you know, my
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: life changed a little bit now change a lot around
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: you know the ages of eight to like fourteen, you
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: know what I mean. And that's the kid that was
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: pure and honest and you know, worthy of love and
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: sunshine and playgrounds and all that stuff. You know, that's
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: where I'm operating from. But around that time, it's also
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: the time the thing shifted. And so when that man
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: says that to me, yeah, Killian has his brain going,
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: it's like, oh, you know, and he does what he does,
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: But there's also part of me that goes, you know,
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: my dad left at that time. You know, so you go,
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: that's that sensitivity part your work. We all have to
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: work from that child, right, with that child, right, and
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: so in that moment, you just let that child go
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: and he takes it. He hears it, and he responds.
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: So yeah, I definitely heard it with Killian's ears and
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: my ears, you know. And the response is the response
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: in the picture, you know.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, you.
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: Said you never watch your work. You didn't watch the
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: love Craft Country?
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: Did I watch Lovecraft Country? I saw probably thirty five
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: minutes of Lovecraft Country. It's a ten hour it's a
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: two hour thing.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, am I.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Seeing it four times? You ain't watch it?
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Thank you bad thing?
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: And it's also twofold, right. It's also the fact that
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: I grew up in the theater. You know, I do theater.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: I hope to do a little theater this year here
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: in the city. Yeah, I do theater. That's just not
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: a part of my upbringing, you know what I mean,
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: like like.
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: Watching Yeah, well not necessarily. Who also grew up on
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: the country, you know, in the country. You know, it's
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: like my entertainment was throwing you know, throwing glass bottles
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: at the at the trash thing, you know what I mean,
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: Like that's what we did, you know, or go hanging
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: out in the Creek, you know, byself, you know, like.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Just chilling, you know, outdoors, outdoors.
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: You know, and reading books, you know. And then when
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: I matriculated into the drama programs that I went to,
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: I don't. I don't care what I look like.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: I don't care what I mean, I care now you
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. You know, I have a makeup
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: on It's crazy, uh, you know.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Never I never wore makeup.
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: I don't wear makeup in pictures, right, never wore makeup
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: in the movie, you know. But you know, it's a
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: new game now. And I was like, all right, cool,
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: I still have to say that it's.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Just not a part of my.
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: It's not part of my art lineage right to watch,
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: I think, you know, as I move into direct thing
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: when I'm producing things. Lovecraft Magazine Dreams is the first
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: film that I produced with my production company, Tall Street,
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: which is dope. If I wasn't in the picture as much,
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: I well, yeah, I definitely would have watched it, you know,
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: because because now it's a different part of the art form,
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: you know.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: But as an actor, we don't. I don't. I don't
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: watch myself.
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: I think all the ale's out there in North Carolina
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: School the Arts, grass and actors just act.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: There's you know who came up in the theater. Yeah
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: that is an that's a novel thing. Yeah.
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: We watch our auditions, you know, to make sure they're
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: wicked dope. But you don't watch, you know, to me,
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: it can get you in your head. I don't you know,
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: don't don't invite you know, criticism. You know, when it
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: comes to the art form, you know.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: You'll probably break yourself down.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, especially in the audition process. You know, definitely
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: the audition process.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: When you talk about inviting things.
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: And I was sitting here thinking because I heard it
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: was two questions I had for you, just sitting listening
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: to you when you talk about the projects that you
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: have coming up. I thought about, like the fact that
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: right now you're on this press run. When you sat
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: down with CAVIU Frager and you said wifey, and then
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: the story came out about you guys being married, it
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: was like, oh my god, he's married. But then on
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: another hand, it was like he announced this because all
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: this other stuff came.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Out the Rolling Stone article with the audio.
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: You right now are working and moving, but I feel
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: like I don't even know it's not on purpose, but
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: there's so many things that are coming at you. How
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: are you dealing with all of that? Because being married
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: is that's a good moment. Being able to get back
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: to work is a good moment. But there's a lot
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: coming your way. What's the daily Like who I can
• 30:07
  Speaker 8: do this because you've done the work on yourself at
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: this point.
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: Amen, it's the work, you know, and it's God, you know.
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: And also like in our family, like we've been through it.
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: We've been through a lot in a short amount of time,
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: you know what I mean, Like we are we're war
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: buddies and husband and wife you know, and best friends,
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: like but for real, for real war. But it's not
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: like oh yeah, no no, no, no, no, no, no no.
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: We've been through it, you know what I mean, and
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: we'll continue to go through it. But something that we
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: really talk about and something like we can't let like
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: we gotta live our life, you know what I.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Mean, Like, yes, everyone in this room, you know, it's in.
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: The public eye, right if I didn't do something that
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: I had planned, by the way, that I have planned.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Months ago, Because.
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: There's a there's a there's a we're having a bad
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: day you know, one of us are having a bad
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: day or or I'm having a really bad day. I
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: would not get up in the morning, you know what
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: I mean, I wouldn't get up in the morning.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: So so who who's going to dictate my life? Who's
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: going to take my happiness? You know?
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: Well me and God, you know, and whatever wife people
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: is feeling that day. You know, like my mother this ring.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Because your mom, your mom married you.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Guys, my mother married this, right, And it was that
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: plan too.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Like that was originally that's how we went ever.
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: Plan right, Like in this my wedding ring is in grade.
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: It says my love of life. Right, this was engraved
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: six months ago. No, probably probably I wish she was here. Uh,
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: she's here somewhere.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: She ain't gonna be mad that you don't notice, right,
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: Sugar Mayne A while ago.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we had done.
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: We had in April twenty four, but in Hawaii, you know,
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: after I spoke to her father and me had more chats.
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: I speke to father twice. Uh love you pop. Yeah,
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: and then we had to plan for you know, the
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: the movie you know, Tom and Briarcliffe was like, we're
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: doing this, man, if you feel ready to go out there.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: You're gonna go out there? Right? What else am I
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: gonna do?
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: Because even that gets overshadowed because the way that when
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: people talk about this movie, it's like, oh, it's his
• 32:21
  Speaker 8: comeback after such and such.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: But you've been working on this for years.
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but but it but it but
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: the comeback? Oh yes, so yeah, Mom was already coming, right, Tommy, we.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Already had our chat.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: You know, Tom is Meghan's dad.
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: Oh no, no, no, Uh, Tom is the owner of
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: Briarcliffe who's distributing my family right, Uh, mister good is
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: making us day.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: So so yeah, we had already had it set up,
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: and my mother, who was a pastor or theay minister,
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: was coming out for the It was such a big
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: thing that that magazine Dreams was coming out and my
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: mother had not come to a premier. My sister had
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: come to a premier, my daughter had come to a premier.
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: Still got to get my brother out to one, but
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: my mother had not come to a premiere.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: And so we had already planned.
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: Once we had the date, Okay, Mommy coming out on
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: this date, and then from that point we're like, all right, cool,
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: you're here, bring your stuff, bring your gear whatever, whatever,
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: you know, stuff you put on the married folks because
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: she also married my Wait did.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: She marry all of us? Yeah?
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: My mother married my brother and she married my sister. Wow,
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: and now she married me and so yeah, that's that.
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: We not a tradition in the family. So there was
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: no question I was going to marry us, you know,
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: very intentional.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: Do you have an idea of who is creating this
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: targeted attack, because let's be clear, I think it's a
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: targeted attack. I mean when I look at you know
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: you got to charge with mister mena assault and harassment.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: We see you on video running away from this relation.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: There's the optics of the big black man, you know,
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: white white, blondhaired woman. And it's like every time you're
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: about to do something right, like the Hollywood Report article
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: comes out, start hearing this good news about magazine Dreams,
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: then all of a sudden it's audio.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Leaks and the audio is from twenty twenty two.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: Come on, man, you gotta know that there's somebody targeting you.
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: Because everybody deserves redemption. That's people out here screaming for
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: other folks to get redemption that have done way worse.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I've been accused the way.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Work and have been granted. Yes, some guys.
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: I mean listen, let the streets talk, you know, let
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: the streets talk. You know, it's very again. I got
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: a whole wife to deal with, you know, I got
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: I got a bunch of dogs. I got a twelve
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: year old daughter I got to get to and spend
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: some time with, and you know, show us, show her
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: more stuff, you know what I mean.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: Like, but you know that you could be getting granted
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: a lot more grades. I even think about like Marvel. Marvel,
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: you know, they had controversies with gods like Jeremy Renner
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: who plays Hotkeye, the guy who played Naymore, had some things,
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: but they were so quick to part ways with you.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Robert Downey Jr. Was a lot of grades Like mm hmmm.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: I mean you play the hanging, you know, and it's
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: not over till it's over, you know what I mean, Like,
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: it's not over till it's over. You know, there's just
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: this one thing I know. I love my wife, I
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: love my daughter, I love my family. I love this
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: art form, and I trust in God. And I know
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: for a fact what's in me right now? I mean
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: I'm on fire inside. You know, I'm on fire.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: The next time I hit a set, I can't wait
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: to tell that story, to spend time with the crew,
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: to promote that film, to get out to the people,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: to come see you guys again. And I have no
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: doubt in my mind. You know that it's going to happen.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: I don't know when, you know, though, we have you know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: we have things in the works. But you know.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: What those rumors about Marvel bringing King back true.
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: Man, here's the thing about Marvel, right, you don't know
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: until you know. You know what I mean, You don't
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: know until you know. I will say this though, of
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: all the characters I played, right, King carries a certain
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: novelty and a certain challenge for an actor that I
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: would I would, I would, I would. I would love
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: to play it again, you know. And so when I
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: hear people talk about it, as long as the streets
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: are talking, as long as the fans are talking, you
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: know there is a there's hope, you know, because look,
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: Disney is a Look we all grew up on Disney.
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: Maybe maybe not, you know, but like they got us,
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: you know, they got us, you know, I mean, like
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: we're locked in we know. I love Disneyland. I love
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: Disney World. You know, Hercules, you know Robinhood. These are
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: things we grew up on, you know what I mean.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: I love it. And when I was invited to the
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Marvel universe to play you know, if all characters king
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: I loved it, I miss it.
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: I want to do it again. The role is incredible,
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: it is It is unique from any other role I've
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: ever played because of the the lexicon of characters that
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: this man, this character gets to play. I absolutely want
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: to do it again. You know, if there's a way,
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: I would love to be there. But you know, again,
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: that's in Guy's hands. That's in the hands of you know,
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: the the Disney Corporation and the shareholders and all of that.
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: And you know, we're in a divided world right now,
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: and so all at me.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: I'm here.
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: You know, how was the letter that you wrote to
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: Marvel uh to Kevin? How was that letter received?
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: I don't know how it was received, you know, But
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: but you know, I've got his info. I know it's him,
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: you know what I mean, And I sent it to him,
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: you know, and he's a he's in I'm sure he
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: was in a tough position when I sent it to him.
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: It was it was long after a lot of this stuff.
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: You know, Yeah, I really liked I really I love
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: that man, you know that, that that specific individual. I
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: really love him. You know, I've got nothing but love
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: for Marvel. But yeah, you know, uh yeah, you know
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: I didn't hear back.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: You know, but I treated you like Brad van Dorn.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: You gotta watch the movie magazine.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: Uh, that's good.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: I want to ask you about that because it was
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: such a one sided relationship with Brad. Vand horn between
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: Killian and Brad in the movie, and you know, you
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: kept writing them these letters and he thinks he has
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: a connection with Brad.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: It's almost like how fans.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: Feel today, like they have a simple access to celebrities
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: that they don't actually have, but social media makes them
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: feel like they do. Have you ever had a Chillian
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: in your life? Did you out here with your shirt
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: off all the time?
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: Yes, okay, yes, yes, yes.
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: It's a delic of balance, like being a public figure
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: right as we all are in this room, you know,
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: or even just be spoiler alert, everybody's a public figure
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: if you have an Instagram is out there, you know
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: what I mean. So like it's all about being kind,
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: you know, Like, yeah, I've dealt with that multiple times,
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: you know.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: And it's like.
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: You have to set boundaries, you know, and you have
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: to be kind, but you also have to understand that
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: these individuals are also the individuals that allow you, that
• 38:59
  Speaker 7: prop you up to be this public figure, as it were.
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: So it's a delicate balance, you know. However, you know,
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: everybody just understand boundaries, Like you know, I understand like
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: even if I know you, you know what I mean,
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: Like you and me, if I text you, bro and
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: you don't text me back, I'm not coming to the studio.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm not coming to the studio.
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: Like it's your boy hit me back, like two days later,
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: urgent Negro hit me back. And if you don't hit
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: me back, and then I would go around the other way,
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: be like, hey call this man, see what's going on.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm not showed up to your house, you
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: know what I mean, I'm not doing that, you know.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: But that's because I have boundaries.
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: You have balance, you know what I mean. I respect you,
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: you respect me, you know. So yeah, I've dealt with that.
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: And how much do you owe to the fan, the
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: fan or the fans.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: Fans, Yes, I ge I guess I said fan in
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: this particular situation.
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: In that in that regardless, Here's thing, you know, I
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: think every everybody's different. But I love my fans. I
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: love them even more now, you know what I mean.
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: I think that anything you asked me to do, you know,
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: within reason, I'm gonna do it. Like I'm gonna do it.
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: I don't mind. You know, I'm just built like that though,
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: you know what I mean, Like we're a team. I
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: understand that.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: You you know what I mean.
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: And I also understand like like yeah, I got fans,
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: but like I'm not so and so and so and so.
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: You know what I mean, I'm not you know, Timothy Shallow,
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: may you know what I mean.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Where it's like that's just.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: Wow, you know what I mean. Like like I'm me,
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: And I've got my demographic, I've got my team, I've
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: got my Marble.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Fans, my Creed fans.
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: By this fan, I love them, you know what I mean,
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: I love them. You know if they step over the line,
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: that's why you got scaredy, you know what I mean?
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: You know what made uh, how did Zeus Network become
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: the home for magazine dreams.
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: That's a beautiful story. That's a beautiful story. So I
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: just got done doing Hollywood Unlocked. Our brother and friend,
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: Jason Lee. Yeah, well up Jason Lee.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: I'm coming, bro, don't trip, I'm coming. So thanks thanks.
• 41:15
  Speaker 7: Uh yeah, Jason Lee reached out to uh, to us
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: and was like, hey man, we want to do this.
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: He took a he took a he took a shot
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: with us, and we did the We did the award show,
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: and then we found out. I found out through the
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: award show that Lemmy as Zeus was kind of like
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: operating the whole thing, you know, like he was sponsoring
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: the whole thing, you know, supporting the whole thing. We
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: had a beautiful night, you know, a very healing night
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: that night for the family, which is and for myself especially,
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: And then time goes along and I get a phone call.
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: This is after Bridcliffe had already picked it up. You know,
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: it is what it is. You know, like people have
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: their opinions, they go, hey, yeah, I don't want to
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: I don't want to help anymore. You know, we lose
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: the money, and then you know a certain amount of
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: the money. Right, Tom holds steady, as he always does,
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: but you know, we lose the money a certain portion
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: of it and we need it or the film's not
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: coming out, you know, like just not coming out. And
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: I literally got on the phone, you know, baby, was like, hey,
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: you know, what do you think we should do.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know what you think we should do.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: We put a list together. We're like, you know, ah, no, yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: That happened.
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: And then I had a meeting with Jason, Me and
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: Jason and his buddy Robert. We just sat and chatted
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: and he said, yeah, you know, I got an idea.
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: Let me run it by you. He said, yeah, you
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: should hit him. So we hit Lemmy right. I called
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: Lemmy directly, literally big shout out to Lemmy and Zeus.
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: I called Lemmy. The meeting was at nine am. I
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: called Lemmy at twelve. When I got back to the
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: house after training. We sat there, I texted me, text
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: me back. I told him what the game was. He said,
• 42:56
  Speaker 7: I'm in. He hadn't seen the movie. He said, I'm in.
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: I got you, brother, right mm hmm. When he was transferred,
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: deal was done.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Wow, like that that's what I like to hear.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: That's God when somebody tell you I'm in and then
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: they put their money in their.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Mouth in sight unseen, Wow, site unseen. I got you,
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: I got you, you know.
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: So I mean big ups to Zeus network and let
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: me and all his team, all his soldiers, Like that's
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: a he's the real deal. And we need that it
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: within the culture, you know, I mean, like we need
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: someone that's gonna go. I'm betting on you, you know,
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm betting on us, deon Taylor. We need
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: that look yeah you know, of course, yeah, yeah, I'm tripping,
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: I'm tripping together.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: But even the awards show that moment because the wors
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: Show happened and then the meeting would let me happen
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: like the Worst Show moment.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: I think it went so viral.
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: I mean, you were very emotional when people got to
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: see that, but it was like publicly the first time
• 43:46
  Speaker 8: after everything that some of them was like really taking
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: a major chance behind you, like this person deserves to
• 43:51
  Speaker 8: be able to come back and say his piece or whatever.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: That alone.
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: Like when Jason first called you for that award, how
• 43:59
  Speaker 8: did you feel like, we're you kind of hesitant?
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: Where you so much trauma, you know, so much trauma
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: when he called, I was like, I mean, I was
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: so small at that time, you know, inside, you know,
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: I was just like I was just starting with my
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: you know, avengers of therapists and pastors, you know what
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: I mean. So I was still working a lot of
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: things out. And when he called, I was like, man,
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: that ain't gonna happen. You know, like you get the
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: first of Doorphin hit the dopaminion, like, yeah, okay, cool,
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: cool cool, But no, that's not gonna happen. They're gonna
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: let they are not gonna let you do that, you.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: Know what I mean.
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: And yeah, but even Jason, even Jason was getting caught.
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: I mean, he had resistance, right, he had resistance, and
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: he's listening and he knows what I'm talking about. I'm
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: not gonna put his business in the street. He had resistance.
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: But Jason Lee said, hey, I'm gonna get this done.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Bro, I got you. I'm gonna get this done, you know.
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: And I go, all right, bro, you know, we have calls,
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: everybody's on the call, we write the speech. Speech is like, well,
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: you know, the speech ain't gonna work. You know, I
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: ain't gonna come up.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: It was crazy, but Jason was I believe in him.
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: I believe in this, We're gonna do it, and he
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: did it, and he did it, you.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Know, and bring him his visit into it.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: That was everything?
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Was that?
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: What was the planning around that that? How early did
• 45:16
  Speaker 8: that happen or did she say hey, I want to
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: be involved.
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: I can't speak to that in super detail, but I
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: do know that Jason, Jason had a real conversation with her,
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: and she understood the situation, believed in redemption, believed in
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: you know, helping, you know what I mean. And she
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: came and she did it, and she she did it.
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: I felt that, you know, I felt that, and I'm
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: so grateful to her, you know, I love it.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Imagine. Question, how have your views on Hollywood chance?
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: Because you said that you're not Timothy Sharlow made, but
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: Hollywood was setting you up to be that next gold boy,
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: Like they all acted like they loved you before the scandal,
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: and as soon as there was some smoke, it was off.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: You do you take that personal?
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: Two years of reflection, you get to sit back and
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: just kind of go, Okay, what's the game, you know
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: what I mean? Because let's be honest, like if anybody
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: doesn't think that it's an industry. It's an industry, you
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: know what I mean, And money is involved, and I
• 46:17
  Speaker 7: don't know's it's anyone in Hollywood, anyone in the entertainment
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: understands that, Like, yeah, this is a town. It's a
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: town that goes up and down, up and down. You're
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: hot your coat, you're this shit that, you're.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: This shoor that. But to be you know, in such
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: a position, you know, with.
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: So many allies, friends, studios, all of it, you know
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: what I mean, Like it's all there, you know, and
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: then to watch it go. It was just a very
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: clear understanding that this is a business. I mean, And
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: there are some personal things where I go that hurt,
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: that hurt me, you know what I mean, That hurt
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: my bank account, that hurt me, you know what I mean?
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: Does it change my perspective? I was always talent forward.
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: I was always talent forward. I want to make sure
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: that I'm doing the best I can in the role
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: I'm doing, and like that that's all that mattered to me,
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: you know. But I saw more, you know, in tandem.
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: You know, when I'm looking at what's happening, what was
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: happening with Meghan or you know the amount of pressure
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: and heat and shame that was trying to be thrown
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: on people who did stick with me. You know, my agent,
• 47:35
  Speaker 7: Along Ruthfully, he's a dog man. He stayed man, he
• 47:40
  Speaker 7: fought for me. I just love him. You know, he's
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: my brother. You know, he is my brother. You know,
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: Along Ruthfully, I love you, man. But when I saw
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: what he had to deal with, It's like, damn, that's crazy,
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: you know what I mean, Like, I don't I don't
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: want that in the industry at the whole was like, look,
• 47:57
  Speaker 7: the entry changes so quickly. You know, I am optimistic,
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: you know, I can't stunt and be like blah blah blah.
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: But I'm a realist and I.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: Go, yeah, yeah, yeah, that hurt, you know.
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: What I mean, doesn't change my respective. I knew it
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: was always a game. You know, I'm cool to saying
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: that before that's the game.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: I remember, Lauren, you probably know, but I remember there
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: was an article that came out and it was just
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: a bunch of different people, you know, saying you were
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: emotionally abusive to that, you know, verbally abusive and you
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: know it works you before and it wasn't a pleasant
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: experience when that came out. Did you ever look at
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: any of that stuff and say, Okay, some of that
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: might be justified.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: I might have been an asshole in that situation.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: That article.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: You know, they were talking about from college days, So
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: you're not the same man.
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, well there there's there's some hmm. How did
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: it come at this one? Everybody's entiled to their opinion. Yeah,
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: I watched this as far as I'm just gonna I'm
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: just gonna stay some facts about school, school and this
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: with no kind of school, the arts, and I also
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: went to Yale.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: It was a Yale. I was on a full scholarship.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: We all were.
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: I was also on a Lloyd Richards scholarship. Our brother,
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: Lord Richard's brought in August Woolson Camp all that stuff. Beautiful, beautiful,
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: beautiful man, rest in peace. I was recipient of that.
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: When that information happened, When that when that, when that
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: started being said, that's when I went, that's what that's
• 49:50
  Speaker 7: That was hard because I go, this is Yale University.
• 49:56
  Speaker 7: Where's the write up if all of this is true,
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: where's the write up from my administration, from my dean?
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: Where is it that was the only thing in which
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: I got involved because it was supposed to be family, right.
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: I got involved and went show me, show me, show
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: me a paperwork. I not my lawyer. I hit my
• 50:19
  Speaker 7: dean and said show me, said no, there's nothing there.
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: I step up the email.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Do I still wear my
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: yell cap? Yeah?
• 50:28
  Speaker 7: Because I went there. You know my class. You know
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: I love them. I love them and I understand. I understand.
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: I don't agree with it, but I understand. You know,
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: in all off.
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: Record, hmm, what went through your mind when Michael Illy
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: had picked up Megan. I want to see you. I
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: want to see you answer that one. I want to
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: see what did this happen?
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: In the movie?
• 50:59
  Speaker 8: Was going to carpet, remember, and Michael he came up
• 51:01
  Speaker 8: and said hello to Megan and the clip that they
• 51:03
  Speaker 8: had online he picked her up the clip they had online.
• 51:06
  Speaker 8: You were just standing there and people say, y'all. I
• 51:07
  Speaker 8: know he was salty, but there was the part of
• 51:10
  Speaker 8: you all shaking hands before too.
• 51:12
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: I remember this. I remember. I remember. I love that
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: pretty man. Look at him pretty lifting up my wife.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: It's all good. No, no, no, that's my brother, that's my brother.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: Wife, they have they have they have a beautiful friendship,
• 51:29
  Speaker 7: they have all these things, you know, like and and respectfully,
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: because like, we have real life, and then we have
• 51:36
  Speaker 7: what everyone says about our real life. Right and and
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: as you all know, we have to navigate between those
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: two things.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: If the things people say about our life actually make
• 51:45
  Speaker 7: their way into our lives, then the people have to
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: be mature enough to address it.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: And brother Eli, who.
• 51:50
  Speaker 7: I've seen many times, we did a workshop together at
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: Dion's place. Michael was like, hey, bro, my bad.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? And I was like, respect
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: respect I was like.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: This man trained for Creed. All of them blows. Michael's
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: it's all love.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: I have a question about the movie.
• 52:09
  Speaker 8: Uh So, in magazine Dreams, your relationship with your father
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: is insane because of the thing that him and your
• 52:16
  Speaker 8: mom and I don't want to give it away. Yeah,
• 52:21
  Speaker 8: with your father, but in real life too, you talk
• 52:24
  Speaker 8: about your dad leaving your life, and you know some
• 52:27
  Speaker 8: of the things you dealt with after that. Channeling your
• 52:31
  Speaker 8: real relationship with your dad and then bringing it onto screen,
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: what did you pull from specifically and what did you
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: purposely say? I don't want to pull from this because
• 52:39
  Speaker 8: I don't want to revisit that.
• 52:41
  Speaker 7: If it's in there, right, if it's in there and
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: it's it's conscious, you know.
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: That's the job, right.
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: You got to use it, I use I mean, we can,
• 52:51
  Speaker 7: we can, We'll get We'll get to Magazine Dreams with
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: Michael Kay Williams, who actually played my father right in
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: My brother my brother Okay, whimas you played my father
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: in Lovecraft. He was dealing with it all day, right,
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: I was thinking about my daddy issues all day, right,
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: because they were just right on top of each other
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: right in in Magazine Dreams.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, same thing.
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: You know you you you go, okay, you like this,
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: I like this. Cool that that's something that we say,
• 53:19
  Speaker 7: Oh you get that for nothing, right, You get that
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: for nothing right? And in your work you go, okay, cool,
• 53:24
  Speaker 7: this man is in love with this woman.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: Cool.
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: I know what that is. I'm in love with my woman. Boo, Okay,
• 53:28
  Speaker 7: I get that for nothing right. And the details and
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: the specificity of that relationship are drawn out through the
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: actual characterization and and the world that we're in. But
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: I just want, I just want to be clear it's
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: you're talking about like, because because Dad's not in the movie.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: No, it's I just want to make sure.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Your grandfather.
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: But I had to look upway.
• 53:55
  Speaker 8: That's why it's hard for me to ask the question
• 53:57
  Speaker 8: because you got to get so much set up with it.
• 53:59
  Speaker 8: But I was basically asking because it's such a messed
• 54:02
  Speaker 8: up situation that you're taking care of your papa. And
• 54:05
  Speaker 8: then and then in real life you talk about your
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: dad and him leaving you and your mom, like I've
• 54:11
  Speaker 8: heard you talk about that a couple of times.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: And then your mom came to to see this movie.
• 54:16
  Speaker 8: And I know mom had to be like, you know
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: that there's some trauma probably with her too that came
• 54:20
  Speaker 8: back in.
• 54:20
  Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I think, uh, every time you
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: have to touch something, you kind of want to make
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: it connect, you know what I mean, You want to
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: make it connect. And and you know, my father, my
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: biological father, my dad. You know, I don't want to
• 54:38
  Speaker 7: hurt him, right, but I love him, you know, but
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: but we experienced something that could have been avoided had
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: he not done what he's done, you know what I mean,
• 54:46
  Speaker 7: done what he did. Come on, yeah, yeah, thank you, brother,
• 54:51
  Speaker 7: you know what I mean. So, so there's that, and
• 54:55
  Speaker 7: so you because what we're talking about is to share
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: trauma right between Killian understands and what happened to him
• 55:02
  Speaker 7: in his world and what I understand what happened to
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: be in my world, and.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: That that.
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: The visceral abandonment, if that makes sense. It's something that
• 55:13
  Speaker 7: I can always connect to and it's something that I've experienced,
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: something a Killian Achillian does experience. And so in that
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: in that monologum right where we're going through it. Yeah,
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: obviously the images of of of my father, you know who.
• 55:28
  Speaker 7: Let me be very clear, I love my dad, you know,
• 55:30
  Speaker 7: I love him, you know, for the man he is,
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: you know, but it is what it is, you know
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: what I mean, And it's it's up to him.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: To fix that. You I mean, I understand that.
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: You know, you make a mistake, It's up to you
• 55:46
  Speaker 7: to fix it. You know something wrong with you, It's
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: up to you to fix it. So you know, standing
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: by dad, standing by no.
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you something, man, when when you when once
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: you if you actually and I don't know if you have,
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: but when you actually have converse with your father and
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: he tells you about his upbringing yep, his childhood and
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: the things he went through I guarantee you'll end up
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: giving them more grace because I remember my father telling
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: me that he went to therapy two and three times
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: a week and he was on ten to twelve different
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: medications for his various mental health issue and he tried.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: To commit suicide back in the day.
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: When I when he told me that, it just it
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: just allowed me to give him so.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Much more grace.
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: And I think sometimes we forget our parents had a
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: life before they were for our parents.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: And currently has lives while they were our past, you
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: know what I mean.
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: So like and we all know, like bring a child
• 56:34
  Speaker 7: into bro thank you, Like like I completely agree with that,
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: you know, and and and I'm all my way to that.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: At that place.
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: It's just but it's just that like this is this
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: is the rebirth, this is the new this is the
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: this is.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: The new bop, you know.
• 56:50
  Speaker 7: Like like my big brother says to me, hey dog,
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: you know and straight up I've heard that before, right,
• 56:55
  Speaker 7: but like O Megan said it to me before, you know.
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: And it's just like he speaks to my brother, he
• 56:59
  Speaker 7: speaks to my mom, he speaks to my sister, you
• 57:01
  Speaker 7: know what I mean. I'm just the eldest son you know,
• 57:04
  Speaker 7: the southern eldest son. That may mean something some of
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: the listeners. Right, that's different, you know what I mean,
• 57:09
  Speaker 7: And it's like it's a different thing. But but then
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: it's not right like that chat, that's something else, right,
• 57:16
  Speaker 7: you speaking from your hurt there right, hearing you now right,
• 57:19
  Speaker 7: you helped me.
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, damn, you're right.
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: Because you know it makes me think about the character
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: Killian right when you're watching the film, the angry black
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: man persona, whatever you want to say it is. It's
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: all justified, you know, being the way he lost his parents,
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: with his grandfather's going through you know all of that.
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: But your trauma is not your fault, but your healing
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: is your response to responsibility. And I think by the
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: end of the movie that's what he learns. That's what
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: I wish I would have You would have explored a
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: little bit more because we solve the problems.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: But where was this.
• 57:55
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna watch the I mean, I promise this you
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: were gonna let us take time to watch the last
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: three minutes of the picture at some point together.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: And wait, we gotta stop talking about this. This is
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: a spoiler.
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: Something you know, watch a movie, because listen, he is.
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: He really watched he's been talking about this is yesterday.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Look, he'd be up.
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: Here in line and everybody listening to the albums before
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: we come in here.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: He told them, little people, I watched the show, did.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: Not did not watch the show.
• 58:34
  Speaker 6: He watched this movie, called me yo, you need to
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: watch Yo.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: This is this is great, this is greatest role ever.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: And I'm like this. How you know he is in
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: here expounding love.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: That's what just told me when I said you should
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: watch magadthe Drink. I will, but let me finish watching Tyler.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: Perry Jay go ahead.
• 59:00
  Speaker 6: I was paid to do here on the movie because
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: you know I'll be doing reviews.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Look, Magazine Dreams is one of the best movies. Just
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: to watch the brother. We love our brother. I get.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: I get.
• 59:16
  Speaker 8: I have another question about your dad. Has he seen
• 59:19
  Speaker 8: this movie? Do y'all talk often? Has he seen the movie?
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: D though little text here here and there? You know
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: what I mean, like, uh, I need to FaceTime him
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: with his uh new daughter in law.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: They always got a new.
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: Gotta do that. But no, he's not. He's not seen it.
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: I mean I did, didn't see my link or anything.
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: But look, I know my dad, like.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: He didn't hit you after the interview that you did
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: and where you talked about the.
• 59:44
  Speaker 7: I mean, but that's the thing, like I should probably
• 59:48
  Speaker 7: holler at him. I will, I'll give him a shot.
• 59:54
  Speaker 7: I tabled it, well, tabled the best I could. You
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: really did with my mother beforehand.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: So before that article came out.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I had to had to, you know what
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 7: I mean? And I and I tabled it a little
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 7: bit with my sister. I need to table it with
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 7: my father because you know, it's a lot, you know.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 7: I mean, like somebody was discussing with you know, some
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 7: of your colleagues, journalistic colleagues, you know, when you are
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 7: when we are quote unquote public figures, like your healing
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 7: has to happen.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: Publicly, does it?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 7: No? No, no, that's a question mark. Now, the question
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 7: mark that doesn't happen publicly, you don't like, Like, that's.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 8: Why I was wondering why you chose to reveal that
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 8: right now, because you have so much other stuff happening.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well in.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 8: Bringing your dad into and I have to cut you off.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 8: But I thought it was I thought it was very
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 8: vulnerable of you. But I don't know if I would
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 8: have had the courage to do that right now in
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 8: your life because you're moving past so much stuff because
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 8: you you you not blame your dad, but you if
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 8: your dad was there, you felt like you would have
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 8: been protected. And that's heavy for everybody in the situation,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 8: your mom and your mama. You said, your mom apologized
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 8: to you after that for not being there to protect you.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 8: So it's heavy for everybody. And then it just stirs
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 8: up so much more stuff.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: Well here's things. You don't stir it up, Something's gonna happen,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like like I it had
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: to be done right.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: It's funny because in the in the interview we were
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 7: talking and because of the work that I was doing,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 7: you know, quote unquote behind the scenes when we got there.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 7: It's just I had been talking about it, you know,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 7: and with my family, with with with Megan. I've been
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 7: talking about it with my my counselors, you know, and
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 7: my therapist. You know, it was there and it would
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 7: have been inauthentic in that moment, you know, I mean,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 7: for me not to touch it, you know what I mean, I.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: Would have done myself a disservice, you know what I mean.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: And was it brave or this or this or this. No,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 7: I don't see it that way, you know. I saw
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: it as when your pain outweighs no, when your needs
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 7: for healing, your needs for healing outweighs your pain, right,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 7: you will heal.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 7: And in that moment, the healing was right there, the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 7: pain was right here, right, but the need to heal
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: was greater. And I said, I gotta I gotta say this,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 7: you know what I mean. We talked about fans.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: We talked about people who people who just.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 7: Admire someone right, admire me, Holy, if you're gonna do
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 7: that all of me, you know what I mean, I'm
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 7: not afraid to show it to you. Hate me, right,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: but hate all of me? You know, I'm not playing
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 7: that game.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: But a fan can't do that because he doesn't know
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: he or she doesn't know you in your whole totality.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 7: They only know what but they think they do, they
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 7: think they do and and and there's no gimmick. I
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: don't want to if there's a fan of mine who's
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 7: experienced anything that I've experienced in my life. Right, my
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 7: job is my missions as an actor and artist and
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 7: a human being is to like, let me help you,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 7: let me help you carry your cross. Right, that's what
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: you guys are doing for me right now. You are
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 7: helping me bear my cross. Right, And got that from
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 7: my brother Will right as well as what's all about job?
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 7: Our job is only to help someone bear their cross.
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  Speaker 7: We can't bear it for them, but we can be
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  Speaker 7: there for them.
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  Speaker 4: Right. He said that to me. I went, oh, I
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  Speaker 4: understand that. So if you're a fan, right, if.
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  Speaker 7: You know me and you've experienced something like that, and
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  Speaker 7: you see that, Okay, this has happened to him, and
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  Speaker 7: this has happened to me, and he's doing this, it's
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  Speaker 7: not impossible. A lot of a lot of the comeback,
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  Speaker 7: a lot of the rebirth feels impossible because nobody has
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  Speaker 7: ever attempted it before. You know what I mean. No
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  Speaker 7: one's ever had the allies. I don't want to get
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  Speaker 7: you in trouble, but no one's ever gotten the allies
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  Speaker 7: with the friends, the support or the you know, I
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  Speaker 7: want to demonstrate that, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: But you see, here's the thing. You don't throw your
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  Speaker 5: people away like you don't. You don't you don't look
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  Speaker 5: at the person to say, man, I'm not I'm gonna
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  Speaker 5: reduce them to their worst moment. Like I knew you
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  Speaker 5: before this. We worked on the project together Audible.
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  Speaker 4: It apparently in the finals for some.
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  Speaker 5: They got nominated for an AUDI for Best Drama. But
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  Speaker 5: it's just like, Okay, he had a situation. Listen, we
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  Speaker 5: assessed the situation. We look at the situation, we see
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  Speaker 5: who the situation is.
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  Speaker 1: Is he not? Is he not?
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  Speaker 6: He?
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  Speaker 5: Is he not above redemption? And the redemption isn't for everybody?
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  Speaker 5: Like we always have to talk about cancel culture, but
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  Speaker 5: what about redemption culture? You just cast him to the side,
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  Speaker 5: say him for the rest of his life. Nah, I
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  Speaker 5: don't agree with that.
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  Speaker 4: Well, obviously you don't.
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  Speaker 1: I saw you running down the screen from a white woman.
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  Speaker 1: I saw it running from running for his life from Okay.
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  Speaker 1: All the training you needed to do for Free three
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  Speaker 1: was in that moment. Listen. There was a movie.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you I saw it.
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  Speaker 1: It was a movie.
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  Speaker 6: It's called The Actor Who Got Chased Around the City.
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  Speaker 6: And yes, it was laughing because we on two B too.
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  Speaker 3: Now I know what you talk about.
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  Speaker 6: Go ahead, Okay, So this is a movie. The director brilliant,
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  Speaker 6: Alvin Gray. I don't know if you've seen. It's a
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  Speaker 6: good movie. It's called The Actor who was Chased around
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  Speaker 6: the City. He actually was gonna name it the Actor
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  Speaker 6: who was Chased around the City by the white woman,
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  Speaker 6: but he choose to Yeah, it was too long.
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  Speaker 3: You need to watch it and it's good.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, you know, might trigger you or not because no, no, no,
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  Speaker 6: because the redemption for him is in the movie and
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  Speaker 6: I just gave it away.
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  Speaker 1: But you need to watch it.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, from Baltimore, he makes films based on controversial I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 9: it's just a real movie.
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  Speaker 1: To be that gid. It's a real movie. Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: she said, you gotta rap you. I really got two
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  Speaker 1: more questions. You know. I want people to go watch
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  Speaker 1: Magazine Dreams and when you're.
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  Speaker 5: Watching it, I wondered if Killian's character is so frightening
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  Speaker 5: because of how real it is, because we all know men,
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  Speaker 5: especially black men, who suffer from untreated mental health issues,
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  Speaker 5: and with him being so obsessed with bodybuilding a way
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  Speaker 5: just to run from his trauma.
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  Speaker 4: Yeap it so.
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  Speaker 7: It covers it, right, It covers it, but it also
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  Speaker 7: releases it right. But there is the there is so
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  Speaker 7: much there that he can't he can't get out so
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  Speaker 7: he's searching for validation.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 7: I wonder what would happen to Killian if if someone
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  Speaker 7: just wow, if someone just spotted him. Hm, if someone
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  Speaker 7: just saw this man lifted all this way and came
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  Speaker 7: and helped him lift it, maybe that would change everything,
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  Speaker 7: you know what I mean. Maybe there wouldn't be a
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  Speaker 7: Killian Maddox had he had some type of connection, some
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  Speaker 7: type of love, you know what I mean, Like.
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  Speaker 4: He's brought that. The whole movie, in.
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  Speaker 7: A way, is about the acknowledgment of his trauma, right,
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  Speaker 7: him trying to work through it, the trials and tribulations
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  Speaker 7: of that right, and and how how he ultimately deals
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  Speaker 7: with it. Right not to give to not to give anything?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 7: That was pretty pretty esoteric, but you understand what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yep, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And there's a scene in the movie where he says
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  Speaker 5: I'm just tired. I'm just tired and I'm sick. And
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  Speaker 5: I wondered if he meant that physically or mentally or both.
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  Speaker 5: And I also wondered, this would be my final question,
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  Speaker 5: how that line applies to you, being that you've dealt
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  Speaker 5: with so much publicly, because you know you're promoting the
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  Speaker 5: movie so you can put on the brave phase and
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  Speaker 5: you just got married, so you know you're happy and
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  Speaker 5: in this moment, but I'm sure you had to get
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: mostly exhausted throughout this process.
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  Speaker 7: Well, here's a moment of the subconscious coming to the
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  Speaker 7: screen that that line, I'm tired, I'm tired. I'm tired.
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  Speaker 7: It's not in the script. Yeah, it's not in the script.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sick is in the script, but I'm tired, it's not,
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  Speaker 7: you know.
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  Speaker 4: So I was.
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  Speaker 7: So clear to me looking back now where my work.
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  Speaker 7: My work was trying to signal to me, this is
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  Speaker 7: where you're at, This is where you're at.
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  Speaker 4: You know, how does that come out? I'm tired, I'm tired.
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 7: And I was, you know, I was a part of me,
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  Speaker 7: not not the part that makes art or any of
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  Speaker 7: that part, but the important part, you know, the self
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  Speaker 7: was extremely tired. You know, you work hard, you do that.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, it's not it's not a matter of to
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 7: put out you know what I mean. I could put out.
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  Speaker 7: I could do it, you know, and enjoyed it. But
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  Speaker 7: there's other part is being so neglected, you know. And
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  Speaker 7: because of the nature of the film, I try to
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 7: shoot every film like a documentary. I take extremely serious,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 7: you know, extremely areas, you know, but I do. And
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 7: because of that, there's a small there's a small moment
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  Speaker 7: where usually it's lines that I'll say there are marriage
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  Speaker 7: between myself and the character, and that was one of them,
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  Speaker 7: you know. So, yeah, I was tired, man, and killing
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  Speaker 7: was tired. But oh I was tired that that part
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  Speaker 7: of me that just you know, felt all that and
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  Speaker 7: didn't process any of that. A nine year old boy
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  Speaker 7: can't hold can't hold that shit, you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 7: thirty five year old man can't hold it either, you know. So, yeah, man,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 7: you watched the hell of that movie.
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  Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 5: Man, listen, keep doing the work, my brother, Magazine Dreams
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: is in theaters right now. Go see it. Go check
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: it out. I can't wait to see all the think
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: pieces in the conversation. Oh bro, yeah, you know, and remember,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: redemption is not perfection, my brother.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Good to see you. Man. If Jonathan Major, it's the
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: Breakfast Club, wake that ass up in the morning.
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  Speaker 4: Breakfast Club