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Ali Act 2.0 Discussion: TKO/UFC, Monopoly, Rankings, Pros/Cons, Netflix, Recap Shields, Zayas, ShuShu!u! · The Rope A Dope Radio Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, what are boxing fans? This is the rope a
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Dope Radio podcast. I'm your host, Chris Carlson. We are
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  Speaker 1: live on a Tuesday night. I hope everybody had a
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: good weekend and early part of the week. John will
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  Speaker 1: be joining us here shortly. We will start the show
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: talking recap. Obviously he didn't he was on vacation last week,
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: so we'll let him kind of talk about the last
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: two weekends. You know, Wu Sik and in all the
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: fights that happened the weekend before as well Zaiaz. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Xander Ziez did his thing, as did Carrington Shields. There
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  Speaker 1: was a good main event scrap on overtime on was
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: that Friday night? I believe goodlow scrap from the UK.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about that and then we'll preview this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's a little light, you know. We have dwar
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  Speaker 1: Day and Simms Junior pro Gray and Diaz gotten made
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  Speaker 1: not long ago. We'll see how great a shape those
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  Speaker 1: two are in. And then on the show. You know,
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  Speaker 1: last week I hadn't really been able to have time
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  Speaker 1: to discuss the the revival, the Ali Act revival. I
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  Speaker 1: have a little bit more information actually, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: fair amount of information on it. Now. I haven't talked
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  Speaker 1: to John about it, but I'm assuming he probably read it.
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  Speaker 1: If not, uh, you know, we'll we'll see how that goes.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll just talk about We'll just talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's there's some things that you up front
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  Speaker 1: that you're kind of like, oh, okay, yeah, that that
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  Speaker 1: sounds good. It doesn't sound bad. But then you know
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  Speaker 1: there's layers where you're like, man.
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  Speaker 2: To be a UBO.
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  Speaker 1: The UFC t k O, I should say, sure, has
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  Speaker 1: a head start on a lot of people. So well,
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about it. I gues said, we'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, whether it's who's gonna rank their fighters? How
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  Speaker 1: many fighters are they thinking about signing in the next
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  Speaker 1: year or two. You'd assume a lot if they really
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  Speaker 1: want to make some noise. But yeah, we'll talk all
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  Speaker 1: about it and then a little bit of follow up.
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  Speaker 1: I did get a fair amount of messages about the
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  Speaker 1: designed pay per view the second sub A variety of
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  Speaker 1: folks coming out of the woodwork talking about the number
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  Speaker 1: of subscriptions. Got a really good message that I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about as well. You know, with Turkey talking
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  Speaker 1: about the number of subscribers and how this new second
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  Speaker 1: you know, sub pay per view model will actually grow
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  Speaker 1: the sport, it'll help his own blah blah blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 1: And he may have just been kind of shown his
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  Speaker 1: ass a little bit or to Zone's ass, I should say,
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  Speaker 1: because if he says this amount of subscribers, and he
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  Speaker 1: says us UK in the world, and I remember reading
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  Speaker 1: that quote and didn't realize when I first saw it
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  Speaker 1: that it said in the world. But the numbers that
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  Speaker 1: he brought out kind of lend itself to not like
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  Speaker 1: the number week that's out there for his own worldwide,
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  Speaker 1: how how many they have, I'd.
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  Speaker 2: Say it's definitely lower than that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we know they don't have a lot here,
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  Speaker 1: they don't have that many in the in the UK.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll talk about it in general. I'll kind of
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  Speaker 1: respond to, you know, some some folks stuff that they
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  Speaker 1: are folks, messages that they you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, they had some some questions and queries and complaints,
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  Speaker 3: Let's put it that way.
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  Speaker 1: So per usual, we're gonna start in the ring. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we're not gonna go uh directly into you know, the
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  Speaker 1: new revival reviving the Even the title kind of sounds corny.
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  Speaker 3: They're going to revive the boxing, the US boxing. We're
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  Speaker 3: gonna revive it. Although it's gonna help us the.
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  Speaker 1: Most anyway, Xander Ziaz Right, They looked pretty good, you know,
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  Speaker 1: early on, jabbing fairly well, landing the right hand in
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  Speaker 1: the jab to the head and body. I liked what
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  Speaker 1: I saw out of there. The second round had kind
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  Speaker 1: of like a slow first part to it, but then
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  Speaker 1: you know, it caught up a little bit. In the
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  Speaker 1: second part of that second round. Ziaz was moving pretty nicely,
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  Speaker 1: landing the better shots in the last minute. The jab
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  Speaker 1: really guided the way in round three, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: Xander was landing and then he'd kind of keep his distance,
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  Speaker 1: he kind of reset. He was doing a good job
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  Speaker 1: of keeping it in the middle of the ring like
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  Speaker 1: he did in the fourth round. Fifth round, a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of two way action, but Xander was making a miss.
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  Speaker 1: I do think there's times right around here fifth round
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  Speaker 1: and beyond where he could have landed more. Though too,
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  Speaker 1: I think he was playing it a little too safe.
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  Speaker 1: Sixth round, huge right hands early, two of them, two
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  Speaker 1: or three of them. Garcia did land back nicely, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, the last maybe thirty seconds or so, so
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  Speaker 1: some really hard punches landed by Xander. Seventh round, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of it just started catching up to
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  Speaker 1: Garcia as far as just.
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  Speaker 2: Just sloppy offense, you know, missing with.
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  Speaker 1: Wide punches, not really being that effective at all. And
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  Speaker 1: like I said, I do think like the eighth round,
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  Speaker 1: I thought Garcia had a fairly good round. I still
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  Speaker 1: think azayas you know, landed the better shots. But like
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned, I thought he played it a little too
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  Speaker 1: safe at times. Now easy for me to say, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying, oh, step on the gas. He could
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  Speaker 1: have got him out of there for sure, nothing like that.
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  Speaker 1: But I did think he was being a little too
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  Speaker 1: cautious down the stretch that fight. And I'm not even
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  Speaker 1: talking with the last ninety seconds or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: But overall he did dominate you know, the rounds. That
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  Speaker 1: really wasn't any kind of argument, right, I mean, how
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  Speaker 1: many rounds could you even give to Garcia? So it
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  Speaker 1: was a good performance. He got the job done. Garcia
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  Speaker 1: was coming off, you know, an impressive win heading into
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  Speaker 1: that fight, so you know, he landed one ninety nine
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  Speaker 1: to one thirty.
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  Speaker 4: He was a lot more accurate thirty eight percent overall
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  Speaker 4: to twenty two percent, and almost sixty punches to the
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  Speaker 4: body fifty nine and thirty one. So I did like
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  Speaker 4: that jab like I mentioned, going to the head and the.
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  Speaker 1: Body by Xander. You know, I liked what I saw
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  Speaker 1: out of him for the most part, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you're not gonna look great every single time. There
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  Speaker 1: was a lot to like about his performance that I
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  Speaker 1: will say that overall. So you know, who's up next
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  Speaker 1: Ferndora would be a you know, good matchup. Now. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know this to be one factual, but let's just say,
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  Speaker 1: if if what the side of Xander Ziez xanders Ziaz
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  Speaker 1: was talking about that the Fundora aside wanted to put
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  Speaker 1: a weight limit, like a rehydration in there. Obviously not
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  Speaker 1: a huge fan of that. If that's true and that
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  Speaker 1: stopped the fight or let's say next in the coming
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  Speaker 1: year or whatever, if that were to stop the fight.
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  Speaker 2: That would be that would be bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously. I don't know if it's factual, but just hearing
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  Speaker 1: that kind of makes you like scratch your head, you know, like,
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  Speaker 1: what why would you huh? You know, you know, obviously
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  Speaker 1: the IBF besides unifications, the IBF does have a rehydration
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  Speaker 1: clause and whatnot. So but yeah, I don't know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if that's true. I'm not saying it's not true,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but if that's what Samson was trying to
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  Speaker 1: you know, pull pull that that that's that'd be weak,
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  Speaker 1: that'd be very weak. But yeah, I mean there's so much,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so many fights a pluffor row fights for
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  Speaker 1: Zaia as in the you know, we'll see I think
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  Speaker 1: someone's gonna have to push him even more to see
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  Speaker 1: his ceiling. You know, this was an easy fight for him,
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  Speaker 1: or you know, not that difficult. Maybe I should frame
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  Speaker 1: it that way, but overall, a good performance. Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: kind of left some stuff on the table, but overall
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was good. All right, Bruce Shoeshoe Carrington
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  Speaker 1: and the was itte hatera. I think it's like Hata
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  Speaker 1: like hater but Hata no Carrington. You know, the jab,
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  Speaker 1: the right hand looked pretty good. There was a really
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  Speaker 1: nice right hand by hat in the in the first round.
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  Speaker 1: Second round, Hata land in more right hands early, the jab,
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  Speaker 1: the right hands, the body. I really liked what I
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  Speaker 1: saw to Carrington in that form. I gave Carrington most.
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  Speaker 1: The second round was close. The third, fourth, fifth, and sixth.
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  Speaker 1: I gave all to Carrington, like I said, the right
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  Speaker 1: hands to the body and head. I thought he closed
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  Speaker 1: stronger in the fourth more jab and right hand working
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  Speaker 1: the body and had short shots up close in the fifth,
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  Speaker 1: the sixth round the lead right hands, then mixing in
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  Speaker 1: the left hook more and more as the fight went on.
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  Speaker 1: I did think the first round I thought was clear
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  Speaker 1: for Haita was the seventh the hooks, the uppercuts, the
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  Speaker 1: really the right hook especially. I thought he did some
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  Speaker 1: really good work there and he carried it in the
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  Speaker 1: eighth round because it was a two way round. I
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  Speaker 1: did think some of the hooks that Carrington landed while
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: fighting off the ropes, like fighting his way off the ropes,
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  Speaker 1: I should say I liked. I liked it there. The
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  Speaker 1: ninth and tenth I think you could split those rounds,
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  Speaker 1: so there's another round for Haita. But I thought that
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  Speaker 1: it was more Carrington down the stretch of this fight,
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  Speaker 1: kind of moving on the outside more and more. I
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  Speaker 1: thought some of the stuff he did in the eleventh
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  Speaker 1: stick and move was pretty good and you know, solid.
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  Speaker 2: Defense, the cleaner lands.
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  Speaker 1: Carrington looked pretty good. I know Bradley was kind of saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if this guy hata face this dude, his
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  Speaker 1: head would be off, you know, in the front row,
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: or he didn't say that I'm just kidding. He did
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  Speaker 1: say he'd go over the ropes, though, and then he
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: kept naming the champions and saying this what he would
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  Speaker 1: do to Hayda, this is what he would do to Hada.
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  Speaker 1: He basically he was saying Carrington should have shoeshoe hnded
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  Speaker 1: out of the ring. Basically he should have went for
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  Speaker 1: the knockout, is what Bradley was basically saying. And I
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  Speaker 1: do think he did kind of like Xander Ziaz get
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  Speaker 1: a little bit careful, I guess you could say. And
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: like I said, it's not the last part of the
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  Speaker 1: last round. You know, if you have a championship or
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  Speaker 1: a big fight and you're winning and you're winning cleanly
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  Speaker 1: the last ninety seconds whatever, even the last round. But
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  Speaker 1: it was in both cases, I thought it was before
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  Speaker 1: the last round, so they could have done more instead
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  Speaker 1: of just wanting to stick and move mode. But either way,
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  Speaker 1: Carrington end Ziaz did get the job done. We'll talk
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about you know, some other action too.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and bring in John into the
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  Speaker 1: fold here.
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  Speaker 2: You should be popping in any second.
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: There we go. All right, what's going on? John? How
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: you doing? Hey?
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: Hey, Chris, how's it going tonight?
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: Not bad man, not bad at all. Actually, let me
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: put my camp wrong.
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I had mine off. It looked like for a
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  Speaker 5: second there, that's right.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: How was I was vacation?
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: Sir? Oh, thanks for asking. I had a real good
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: vacation down the Jersey Shore last last week and.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Very very relaxing.
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: Had some family joined me down there, my brother, my
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: brother and my niece and my son was was working.
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: He's uh, he's in law enforcement, so he's got some
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: he's got some rough hours there. Yeah, I bet, yeah,
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: but but it was it was good vacation.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, nice, you gotta you gotta unwine on the Jersey Shore.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna go. You know, it's funny we we
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: call it up north here. For some reason, we say
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: up north when we're going to northern Minnesota, like on
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: the North Shore by the Loop, we call that the
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: North Shore. But when you're just going straight north where
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: a bunch of lakes are like chains of lakes, we
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: just call it up nor. I don't know why.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: People from all the country like.
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  Speaker 1: Give me shit because they're like, oh, really, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to Alaska or where you're going?
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, you're going up north.
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  Speaker 1: You're already north, you know, but yeah, next week kind
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  Speaker 1: of during the week, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to
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  Speaker 1: get out of the city for a couple of days
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  Speaker 1: and get on the lakes, you know, and just enjoy
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  Speaker 1: some of this summer that would go. We got like
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  Speaker 1: a month left before college football kicks in and all that.
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  Speaker 1: So on one hand, you know, I'm happy that football
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  Speaker 1: is back, but in the other I'm trying to relax
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  Speaker 1: and you know, get get all I can out of
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  Speaker 1: out of summer, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: I agree with you, Like we were talking a couple
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  Speaker 5: of weeks ago, I feel like that's where the cycle
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: of the summer in the whole country has changed a
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  Speaker 5: little bit, especially in Northeast because it was one of
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: the last holdouts where for the reasons you said, you know,
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: a lot of your summer activities get pushed more into July.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: You know, when I was a little kid, especially in
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: Northeast New Jersey, it was like, you know, you were
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: you were straight through the Labor Day. You know, we
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: were right, we were literally vacationing on the Labor Day weekend.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: That's that's in the early seventies that that was part
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: of our couple of weeks and that was common, very common.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: It was, you know, he's very A lot of kids
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: start on Tuesday, you know that Tuesday school, but I
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: see a lot of people starting before the holiday. Now
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: that's what changed.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, all that kind of stuff changed things, especially
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: more in the South, but but in other areas too.
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  Speaker 5: It's even come a little bit more to Jersey, to
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: the Northeast, and it used to in some spots at
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: least by a couple of days. There they still go
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: the latest in that calendar. But yeah, I felt like that.
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: And then the increasing popularity of football. That's why when
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: you mentioned it, I felt like that was a factor
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: that that's football just got more and more popular. It
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: was popular, but then it just it just got to
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: where NFL college football dwarfed everything else. So people do
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: get focused on that when college starts and having their
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: season creep up. I remember again when I was a kid,
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: when they remember when they were short in September one
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: one year, it was a big deal right early exactly.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: Then you went into August and you went way beyond that.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, over the years, they ad a game at a
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  Speaker 1: game at.
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: A you know, yeah, I do remember when it wasn't
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: twelve games, that's for sure, during the regular season and
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: obviously in in you know, NFL, you know, there was a.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Time of his twelve games. So we'll talk about what happened,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: you know, this last weekend. But since you didn't join
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: us the prior weekend, you know, with Usik and whatnot,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I would like you to get your take. A lot
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: of the historians coming out and trying to rank usk
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I personally, you know, I kind of I stay in
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: my lane. You know, Do I know some history, Yeah,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: of course, I love boxing. You know, I know some history,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: but I do like to let I don't know, even
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: historians argue with each other, right, I mean that that's
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: what happens, you know, that's that's the whole debate. But yeah,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I'd like to hear your take from the weekend overall.
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  Speaker 1: We'll start with Usik just because you know, the dude.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it was a lot of activity and a lot
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: of activity, and I got to be fair, I'm not
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: backing off going in. It certainly didn't work out that way,
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: and it's definitely worth breaking down. Yeah, I mean, I've
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: been thinking about it quite a bit actually, because which
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: you know, Usak and Dubois, even though they had fought once,
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: I felt like at the stage it was one of
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: the best fights I could have been made in boxing.
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: And I'll still stay by that going in, even though
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: it didn't work out as any kind of a good fight,
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: so to speak. Sure, but that in part says a
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: lot about boxing too, because I'll stay with it. But
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: then I'll I'll say that says a lot about where
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: we are. So you know, I'm kind of looking combination
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: of actors. You know, one thing, going in, You're looking
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: at Usik's age at thirty eight, even though he hadn't
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: really shown any particular decline, and you're saying, well, you know,
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: at any time, maybe he could show that. And then
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: you know, Dubois, we were it was very unusual, and
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: I've said, as we talked about it in real time
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: when it happened, you know, it was unusual to be
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: saying like, well, it looks like du Boise taking a
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: good shot now and showing showing your heart. But we
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: ended up getting to me a combination of factors where
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: Usk and if people want to, you know, really praise
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: him for this, I get that like, you know, he's
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: very fresh at thirty eight. You know, he didn't obviously
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: show any decline in fight, so you had that factor
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: usic not declining at thirty eight, which is is hard
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: to do. Give him all the props for that. And
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: of course he is good. We're not saying he's not good.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: He's still on the face he did you know, never
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: been never been officially down. But we also on the
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: other side, let's just say it, even though Ustik's real good,
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: because we've seen this from Dubois before, we kind of
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: got the old Dubois like you know, I mean, I
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: told you the one thing that's tip stuck and sticking
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: out for me that I couldn't reconcile. But then I
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: was kind of at a point where you were kind
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: of starting to overlook it was the guy was almost
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: out against Lorraina right in the early part of the fight.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: So you've you know, even though he had that, and
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: you know, his effort in this fight really wasn't wasn't
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: very good.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Let's face it.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, let's look at the first was what was
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: the first knockdown? Okay, you know we've seen a lot
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: of replays of the second knockdown. You got caught with
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: a shot by you know, I did put this on
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: X afterward because I saw you saw with people getting
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: a little bit too carried away USI's got three stoppages
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: at heavyweight. Two of them are against the other ones
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: against Chas Witherspoon. Now, he hurt Fury, but but he
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: didn't of stopping him, and Fury is a huge guy.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: But I mean that's still where we're at. He's he's
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: got three stoppages at heavyweight and two of them are
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: against du Wa and the other ones against Chaz Witherspoon.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: So what I'm hinting around there is that says something
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: keep it respective. It says something about du bois too Now,
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: you know, I totally you know, I have always, you know,
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: in my time following the sport. You know, the history
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: is a big part of it for me. I think
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: you made a good point, Chris, just in a sense.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: I was a little surprised that some of the historian
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: types were saying and not all of them were that.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: But I feel like we need all the boxing fans
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: we can get. But I do feel like in previous
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: generations of boxing fans kind of being more cognizant in
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: the history, went with the sport. And and you know
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: what I will blame for that is I'll blame for
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: that a lot. Something I rant about every week we talk,
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: which is, you know, promoters and TV doing cheap, cheap
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: promotion of fights that aren't that good by just talking
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: about alphabet belts.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: So well, for instance, this was an undisputed fight.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: Correct, two time undisputed, even though he never lost the
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: title in the ring, But somehow this is historical that
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: he's two time undisputed. I mean, that's the kind of
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: nonsense we can't be talking about. It's it's just and
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: and that I think that's what gets people clouded, because
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: I was even a bit surprised, like, okay, you want
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: to start king oh sick, but you want to do
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: it because he stopped du Bois.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, like this is the thing that put him
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: over the top, you know.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: I mean it's not like Dubois hadn't had these problems
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: in the past. We were thinking he was over him,
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: but I think now and and I did put this
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: on X afterward too, because I was trying to give
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: people some food for thought, and these are the issues
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: I think still matter you've got to adjust, and.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: This is just where I've adjusted.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm looking back then at that Lorrena, which
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: I never forgot about because the guy was a cruiser
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: weight and he's got Dubois and all kinds of trouble
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: early almost stopped. But then now I've shifted. I think
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: now Dubois probably probably Dubois, and you know, Miller, Miller
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: had been awful lot even though he's a big guy,
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: his punching power as a heavy, he was always more
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: of a volume guy. And then Herkovich, Dubois took all
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: kinds of shots for him from kept coming. I mean,
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: who's the best guy? Hrkovic's knocked out, you know, yeah,
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: and obviously you don't come to a quick answer to that,
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: So yeah, exactly. And I thought he had a good
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: right hand. I thought he's really mechanical.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: But Zang could have had him out too if he
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: would didn't get tired.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: Exactly right, he had him out on his feet basically.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: But but what I'm looking at there is now, this
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: is like if Duba won the fight fair and square,
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: don't get me wrong, but we're getting into the analysis
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: of it. I thought, because Dubois did show a lot
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: in that fight where he kept taking shots coming on. Yeah,
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: Herkovic was getting a little tired from just hitting him.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: But and Dubais the cut was caused by a punch.
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: But and and you know that's a fair win for
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: Dubas and you know he caused the cut. But I
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: did have a feeling there, like, you know, if Herkovic
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: wasn't cut, I'm not sure Dubois was gonna you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: was gonna win that fight right now, fair win. But
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: I'm just so here's what I get to now. He
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: he obliterated Anthony Joshua talked about that before fight.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: That still stands definitely.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: But my revised analysis based on what I saw with
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: Dubla against Usik is the Joshua fight was probably the aberration.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: And what it probably is this is my educated and.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: He probably got up for that one knowing where it
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: wasn't all out right.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: But it's probably my educated speculation that I'm going to
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: operate on this theory right now that du Bois and
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: Joshua both have power and such flawed gins and resiliency
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: that if they fight five times, you're gonna probably you'd
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: probably get five five wild wacky results, which then I
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: also did post I would propose, and sometimes the promoters
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: will come around to this type of thing. You probably
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: can sell that rematch because fans probably will start sensing that,
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: and maybe Joshua himself will even sense it. Even though
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: there was a brutal ko that, hey, look if I
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: get in there with this guy again, you know, I
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: heard him right before I got knocked out, even though
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: I'd been in all kinds of trouble, I may just
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: start throwing bombs at this guy from the first bell,
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: and it's going to be somebody. Somebody's going you know,
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: and and fans. That's entertaining for the fans. So the
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: nineteen fifties, they probably would fight five times, right and
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: exactly you probably would get that. I agree, So I'll
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: throw that out there. But then then so conclusion on
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: that fight, Dubois Usik too is like, you know, part
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: part Usk being good and being very well preserved at
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: thirty eight. Yeah, part Dubois, the Joshua fight is probably
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: the probably the aberration there, and that that we we
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: need more, We need to see more to find out
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: what that was about. And then we probably probably just
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: got a little carried away with you know, Miller and
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: Herkovic as opponents, even though the effort was better for Blaw,
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: no doubt. But you just you watched this fight with Usak.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: You just saw you saw the dublos that was in
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: there with Lorraina and Joyce and Ushak the first time,
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: and you know, I can't get that out of my mind.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, so so those flaws. Look, you
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: got to give Usa credit for being really, really good.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: And then he took care of business when he you know,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: when he had him hurry, took care of business.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: And I like that a lot too. I agree with you, Chris,
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: that's something you got. You got to give him a
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: lot of credit for there. Whatever he was in with, right,
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: he took care of business. This guy wants to go,
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to play around with him. I'm getting
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: him out of here and still a much smaller guy.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: So yeah, beautiful shot, too.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: Beautiful shot. You know, give him all the credit in
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: the world for that. The guy, the guy takes care
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: of business. He read the situation, got him out of there.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: But you know, I saw like like a guy who
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: who should know what he's talking about today. That's the
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: part that is bothers and he's he has Oosick number
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: two all time, ahead of Ali with Lennox Lewis's number one.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, what what you know? You're not And
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: when you do lists that there's another thing you should
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: do then, especially at heavyweight, okay, like make it clear,
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: like there's a historical way to do a list where
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: you look at what the guy accomplished in his era
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: and you just leave it at that. Okay, Yeah, then
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: there's another way of doing the list where you're really
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: saying like, well, who would have really beaten who there?
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: And we know it styles, but but you're leaning more
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: that way. I see these lists like are all over
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: the map, but they're missmashes of this kind of stuff.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: And like to me, when you're working to a lot
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: of fandom and Tyson will be ranked high and you're like,
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: well hold on, hold on, yeah, and then some of them,
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: like I thought then he'd be the guy they leave out,
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: but then they got him at like five.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Which is is too high.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: They totally they totally forget about Joe Fraser, who's the
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: closest guy to beating Ali in his Ali's prime, dropping him.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: We know what kind of Chinn.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Ali had and look, you know, Joe, Joe Fraser only
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: lost to two guys, Muhammad Ali and George Foreman.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: That's not a bad loss.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: I'm not people don't get when I start to see
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: in the Joe Fraser disappear and I'm like, wait a second, guys,
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: you're not you know, you're not getting it. I mean
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: this guy lost to Muhammad Ali and George Foreman. You know,
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: I mean you got to you got to keep that
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: in perspective. And his style would if you're looking to
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: fight who's fighting who, Who's six style wouldn't be a
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: problem for him. Sure, Yeah, I'm serious about that, like
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: you know, like like that's a style that you know,
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: that's that's what made Joe Fraser tough for Ali, you know,
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: because the head movement and he has that ability to
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: put you in the corner, to put the pressure and.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Just kind of in that low center of gravity real tight.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah right, and have the resiliency, you know, I mean
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: Foreman is just you know, Foreman just just the strength
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: and you know, just you know, the style matchup and
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: you know, Fraser took a lot of shots in the
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: Ali fight, but I'm going to carry it away. But
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: like one one historical person I saw. To me, this
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: was a little bit more of a saying, take like
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: if you want to start saying, like a like a
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: Vladimir Klitschko was around ten and then USI's maybe shown
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: to be more resilient and he's still undefeated. You know
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: that you want to start saying, you know, maybe maybe
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: I'm you know, I mean vlad Clitchko lost to ross
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: Purity early in his career. They quit there then you know,
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: got stopped by Brewster Sanders. So you know, if you
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: want to say, I mean, but he had a long
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: run as lineal, So that's what he's got in is fair.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: That's That's the other thing that bothers me, Like historians
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: need to know this. And I don't like when some
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: historians then want to play the alphabet game instead of
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: holding firm. I mean, I'm a traditionalist like this, and
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: and I saw historians who know better weakening on this,
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: Like one analysis historians got to go right to historian,
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: you're not looking at alphabets, you know. So I mean
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: Usik beat Fury for the lineal title. Okay, this is
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: so this is defense number two right, yeah, yeah, And
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: I'm like I saw people. I'm not gonna call him
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: by name, but that's what did annoy me right right
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: an hour after the fight, like even some of the
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: good analysis, like I said to me, the better analysis,
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: like well maybe you're talking about him as ten well,
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: but but it was still wasn't put in perspective that
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: he beat Fury for the lineal He's made two defenses. Yes,
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: and then we're throwing Joe Frazier for a while too,
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: once a year for a while too. So like from
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: his I mean, Anthony Joshua has never been the lineal champ.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: I mean a historian, especially at heavyweight. You have to
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: look at that, not even close. It's not it's not
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: He's never even you know, challenged for then.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah he had a chance to.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: But he did exactly right.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, and you know, I always felt that hern
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: didn't put enough emphasis on that. I mean, you know,
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: the guy been around a while. It was time, like
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: it was time to actually kind of target that and
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: at least have the guys start saying it. I kept
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: waiting it, and I just for it. I just never
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: heard it much. So let's throw the alphabet parts out.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: So and then I saw again the fanboy stuff like
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: I saw then people again who should know better saying
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: like well he beat all those cruiser weights and stuff.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: Well again, that's still that's not lineal heavyweight championship. I
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: mean that that's still like I even look at that
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: as a historian, like when I'm doing that as a historian,
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: which I think is the way you do when you
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: come up with the good results, you know, you start
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: then evaluating it, like, well, what if there only were
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: still eight divisions, Like let's say there wasn't a weight
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: like some of those guys, including Usk himself, they would
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: have to me ranking like they would have been around
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: nine or ten a long time ago.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Hey yeah, yeah, you're right, because they would have been
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: heavyweight right.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: Away, right, so you know, like they would have been
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: like contenders. But that still wouldn't have been like Usick.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: He wasn't the lineal champ when he was, you know,
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: a cruiserweight camp, so he would have been a contender.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: I look at it that way, like I look at
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: it in a historical perspective. He was like a long
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: time heavyweight contender who took advantage of his lineal shot,
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: got it. You know, later on you know, then beat
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: your in the rematch, which that makes that conclusive. And
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: you know, so now he's got du bois was you know,
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: with the state where we're in, he was like the
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: leading available contender. I've got to even say that. It's
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: kind of kind of sad, but so yeah, so that's good.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Like you, then you start talking about him, you know,
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: maybe like whoa is this guy top ten? But you
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: know this is putting him near the top and saying
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: there was even fool saying like the greatest heavyweight ever
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: and right now the only way you could try to
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: do that, I wouldn't agree with it, But like you
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: then got to say, I'm taking it as a it's
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: who B two and I think five trained guy with
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: his abilities, right, But they're not saying that, They're like, ye,
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: well then all these too or something like that.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: You've got to rank theory pretty damn high, then too
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: exactly right, you got to rank him super high if
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: it was six, number one or number.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: Two, exactly exactly. So that's my take on that part.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: With the history. I was a little surprised how overboorn
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: a lot of people.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I think some of it is just Twitter impressions too.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: I really think so.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I hope anyway that a lot of it's just impressions
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: that they're trying to create engagement. Yeah on Twitter, I
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: really hope at least maybe fifth percent of it is that,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: because if not, it's just.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Like hey, yay, you know, like talking.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: About waiting for like like some of the real historians
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: and a couple of people were and they weren't coming
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: out really with the right analysis and that I did
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: find I'm with you, I found it disturbed. I did
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: find it disturbing. And I think it's where boxing, like baseball,
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: to me, was always like this too. I think those
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: were like the team popular sports, but I think they're
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: they're both very historically oriented and it used to really
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: go with the and it used to go with the
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: fan bases, especially intense fan bases I see in boxing.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is this alphabet.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: Nonsense and the lack of credible writers and things like
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: that that you know, I see some people just losing
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: losing context of the history in the last two years.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the same reason in the FOURD Belt, the
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: same reason during the Ford Belt stuff that we're in
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: that then dispute, it didn't happen it just so happens
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: that it's happening now because it's allowed to happen. You know.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: It's you can't weigh it too much. It's great you
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: got all the belts, man, that's phenomenal, but you can't
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: take away from people that didn't do it because it
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: was politics. So either way, you know, now it's a
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: hot thing to do, you know, every other week in
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: the women's side of the boxing, they're undisputed, you know.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: But I do think people, although it's great sometimes that's awesome,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: we're getting the belts together. Of course they go right
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: back alone, you know, and they go right they get
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: stripped anyway, so you're not keeping them together, and they're
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: getting stripped for bad reasons.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: So and it's it's allowing cover for bad fights because
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: it goes under the assumption that the alphabets are their
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: belt holders are the best post matchups, and and they're
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: they're not. They're not, especially with all the weight classes,
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: and especially with the politics of the alphabets. I mean,
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: they don't even rank the other sanctioning bodies champions and
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: the rankings are just filled with corruption. All you gotta
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: do is look at them.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: When when was that a habit that started even in
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: the three belt era. Was that something that always was
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: there for a while, like ranking not ranking the chaps outside.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: I remember, I remember like as.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: A box of it.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: It goes way back.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: But I remember as a boxing fan when I found
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: out they were doing that, I was shocked at how
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: bad it was because it's so stupid, like in my
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: early boxing fandom days with the alphabets, like I just
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: assumed they didn't do that that I started looking at
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: it like why is that? Then I thought, well, they're
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: just doing that. Then I saw it was actually policy,
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: and that's what I got. Got outraged like that because
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: it shows it's just all crooked and corrupt the Key
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: themselves going and you know they they don't they don't
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: rank the other alphabet organizations.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I don't remember when I found out about it, I
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: think somewhere in my late teens, but I just remember
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: looking at the Ring anyway and not giving two ships
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: about the belts that I just looked at the Ring rankings, and.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: That's what I remember finding out about it, Like because
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: they used to credit, they used to get on them
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: more than they do now, which I loved. Yeah, same
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: with me, I think It was in my late teens
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: and I.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Was reading The Ring or something and I was like.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: That that I saw that they were making fun of
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: it or something that I saw like the writers then
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: used to make fun of all the time they would
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: go at them. I used to literally roll on the
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: floor laughing. Du you know, ridicule so hard it was hilarious.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: I remember that one guy, Jeff Ryan, who was a writer.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: He was always funny, the k O and all them
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: and mm hmm for you know, long long and you
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: I would I would just be laughing out loud. Yeah, right,
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: you know at the newspaper writers would do it too.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was the thing that because it's not
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: to be taken serious, so therefore that's how you deal
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: with it, you know. And when you're a talented writer,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: it comes off the page really well. You know, that's exactly.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: But you know, the USAK thing, I just looked at it.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: It's like, hey man, this guy keeps showing it. I
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: didn't think he should be moved up anywhere on any
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: kind of ranking for this fight. I just thought it
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: was an awesome usak. He looked freaking sharp from the
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: jump he finished him off. What did you think about
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: the video that was going around with Dubois at his house.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Would look it looked like that it was an after party,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: but it was really a pre party. What do you
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: think when you saw that? Like, wait, a set?
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I go into a little psychological analysis there, but
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: but when you live enough life, it doesn't you never
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: get all the answers. But yeah, if you look back
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: on and they you start figuring out more, it might
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: be true. And I would take that as like, especially
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: when you see this guy perform in the ring.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why mindset like he's satisfied like.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: Or like see I would That's where I'm going deep,
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: Like he he probably has a real lot of anxiety,
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: and and that's sometimes when your anxiety reaction, you know,
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: you make an excuses for yourself before the fight, even
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: like he's not going to say it to anybody, but like,
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: oh I was part you know, I was in an
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: hour before the fight and instead of like you know,
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: you're gonna you're gonna go in and you're just gonna
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: be completely prepared and if you lose, you lose, but
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: you're you're not going to give yourself any excuses in it.
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: That's why I looked at because to me, that's almost
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: the only way you can explain something like that with
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: a guy like him who's already had those downs like
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: like because because look, you know, and there are Look,
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: I'll leave it to pro boxers who were saying it,
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: like you know, Lennox Lewis said said it, uh, plenty
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: of others so Sergio Morris. So it's not like you know,
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: you want to say John un right, howfers saying it,
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: But hey, I'll just leave them that to the pro boxers.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: They're saying this guy could have gotten up. He's got
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: a problem, you know, when the fight gets tough and
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: he feels like it's really going to be tough, that
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: he really doesn't want to be in it anymore. I mean,
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: that's that's that's former profight. Doesn't mean they know everything,
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: but on an issue like that, So we'll leave that
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: clear that that's you know, former pro fighters saying it
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: about the game.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we have more than one example so that
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: you look at it, look at a guy.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: But I think in a way it's comparable, even though
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: I don't want to put the blade this level of behavior,
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: but you'll know what I mean, Like you know, Andrew
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: Glo who had but then he had those moments like
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: why and I really was like crazy anxiety. Like in
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: other words, you know, in the first fight with Bo,
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: you know he's doing great, he just continues hitting him low.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: Second fight brutal war to me, one of the most
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: underrated brutal wars where Lota is taken a lot of
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: shots too, right, and you know, the corner really had
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: the scream at him. It looked like he wanted to quit,
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: but then he didn't and he had that bad faceration
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: under his chin after he got dropped.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: You know, Bo can hit.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, Bo is a huge puncher. There's
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: no doubt about that. You look at his career. I mean,
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: the guy's a huge puncher. So but then Galata then
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: you know he goes through all that, then he starts
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: doing it again. You know, like it was a brutal fight,
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: and there's something with there's something with the guy. I'd
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: heard stories from people in boxing in gyms and things
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: that that he just saw the guy have strange behavior
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: in the gym, just like you know, leaning against a post,
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: just crying, crying, you know, I mean, I'm not allowed
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: just like you know, so like just a lot you know,
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: people with you know, hey, boxing is the toughest sport,
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: That's what I mean.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: So that's the thing. It can be embarrassing, it can
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: be a lot of things.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: You know, right, embarrassing you could get killed in there,
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: you know, so's injury. And so I'm just saying like, look,
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: you know, that's got to be interesting with somebody like Duban.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: You know, he was better against Joshua Miller and Herkovic,
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: but we've seen this before, so there's something there and
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: maybe in this bigger moment that that that the guy
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: just anxiety, whatever problems he has there he was not
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: down the stretch.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and with all eyes are on you during that spot.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's hard to know how the normal person
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: would react, you know. It's it's it's pretty it's you know,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I know, even wrestling, facing the number one guy in
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the state and he didn't pin me, but he scored
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of points, and it's just like I couldn't
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: do much to him, and it was just in front
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: of like your friends and family, and it just really
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: like I wasn't hurt like physically, but mentally after that fight,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: I felt like, you know, I felt really bad.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and wrestling is just one on one on one
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: just like that.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, nothing you can do about it.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: You're just getting beat you know, Yeah, and you're trying
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: not to get pinned, and that's about it. But it's
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: just a it's just a weird feeling. It's almost like
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I'd rather just get punched once and be knocked out,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: you know, just like just get me out of here,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, that one more thing I had under water,
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: and I didn't that that would be one thing that
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: would be consistent through all the good and bad. And
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: we talked about this too. And I'm not saying this
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: is why he lost the Usik from physically being beat up,
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: but he took so many shots, you know that that
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: was possibly going to be a problem for him, even
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: though he's still young. But but the thing I was
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: getting to is the one consistency though through all the
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: performances that maybe Usik is just a guy that's good
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: enough to really take advantage of. That is there was
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: no defense. That's that we can say. In the Miller fight,
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: the Hercuvic fight, the Joshua fight, he got caught right
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: before he took Joshua out the absolutely no. The guy has.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Absolutely no defense.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: So you know, Usik's you know, a talented guy with
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: boxing skills, so you think, you know, to bos there's
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: just no defense there.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially at the heavyweight division, no defense.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: It can be even different, you know. Yeah, all right,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: So onto the Fundora beat down at Tim Zoo. You know,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Tim Zu got knocked down early, did come up and
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: try to throw those wild shots, and it just could
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: not get inside, couldn't jab his way inside, couldn't do much.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: And when he's rendered on the outside bouncing, you know,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: kind of kind of trying to counter with these loopings,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: it's it's just not gonna be what he's gonna be
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: good at. And I really liked what I saw the
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Frondora with the jab and like keeping him at the
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: end of his punch and and you know, I thought
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: that was, if not the best, one of the best
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: performances from fron Door. Let's talk a little bit about
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: that fight in the card in general.
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was and uh one, you know that that
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: one I felt like I got right more ye didn't
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: didn't pick the stoppage, but Zoo did end up you know,
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: retiring the corner, you know, stoppage, but I mean, you know,
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: he was just he was just losing, losing the fight.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: The one thing I liked at a Fundor I saw
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: was because he's devastating with it. And I feel like
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: the problem is he might not want to always take
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: the risk. But when Zoo was trying to get something
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: going a few times then Fondora ripped that uppercut he has,
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: that's devastating. And mean he was you know, like control
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: was control was re established. I mean, yeah, you know,
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: I mean that's a devastating punch. I mean when he
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, even though he's so big, so tall, even
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: when he wants to lean on somebody and just start
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: doing that, you know, he's coming up with that leverage.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Those arms are.
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: So long and he gets everything behind it, and you
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: just see the effect that that shot has on people
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: when he commits to it. It's it's just devastating. So
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: I like that, And you.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Know, Zoo.
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: Really, you know, you look at the fights, even as
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: earlier fights like like kind of the way you described Christo.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, really the way he actually likes to fight
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: most of the time is trying to do that and
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: you can't do that against Fondora. Yeah, so you know,
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: and I think where people were maybe a little unfair
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: to Zoo. And this again too goes to the watering
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: down of boxing, like you know, it did get to
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: a point at one point fifty four when he was
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: on his run that you you know, he did even
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: for me, like with all seven you know, to me
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: again to make too many weight classes like he is,
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: you know, in the top couple of guys. But it
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: was his talent level really at that probably not I mean,
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: I mean, let's just really look at it, like, you know,
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: he took a break when he was an amateur for
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: a while. I think he said he had hand problems,
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: but but you had a while he didn't even fight.
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: And I brought this up before because Horn really was
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: not that good, you know, he survived Pack yeah that
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: one time, but the outside of that very limited guy,
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: when Zoo was matched up with Horn, and Zoo was
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: actually underdog, I mean, even though he blew him away
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: and dominated him. Like so what I'm saying is like
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: even in Australia, like they weren't you know, at that point,
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: they weren't looking at like, they weren't looking at him
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: like he was that you know, he was simp. He
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: was you know, Costazou's son, you know.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: But but like I don't.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: Think anybody was looking at him at like a as
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: like a top prospect. But then he blew away Horn
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: so easily, you know, and everyone's like, hey, maybe you know,
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: maybe this guy can can fight some and you know,
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: he started getting wins over the credible names. But with him,
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: you know, even though there's styles make fights and stuff.
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: What I'm curious now again with the analysis has to
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: always morph and shift, Like I'm a little curious to
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: see what Mersally is like like because he was nothing
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: before that. He was he was an IBF coddle, no big,
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: no big wins or anything. Kept doing the step aside thing,
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: you know, totally blew away Zoo. But like if we
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: see now in his next fight against a decent name,
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: even maybe he doesn't look that good or you know,
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: then then you might kind of put the whole picture
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: together and say, well maybe Zoo, you know, like Zoo
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: to me, he might have taken it as far as
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: he can. And like I saw a lot of like
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: the next day, a lot of talk like oh what
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: a shame, And you know, he had that cut and
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: he was with PBC and they mismanaged him. I'm not
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: I'm not going that far with all that. As I
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: saw the common commentary after it. I'm kind of more
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: operating like this might have been a guy who took
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: it as far as he could with what he had.
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: I do feel like I got it right that Spencer
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: may have overachieved. I think it's possible he got you know, yeah,
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: I think it's possible that that he really was at
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: his you know, a.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Lot of those people, John, we're probably saying he's gonna
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: knock out Thurman too, you know what I mean, right,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: although Thurman's style lends itself to not getting knocked out,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: you know, besides to the body of course. But yeah, yeah,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you this though. When he was getting announced
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: in the ring, his eye, like his whole being just
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: it just didn't look right. It was like, man, I'm
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: doing this again. I gotta show hard. He showed heart
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: even when he went down, he kept fighting and all that.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: You could see he's got a spirit in him to fight.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: But like you said, it just you know, got about us.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: I like the way you put that, got about as
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: far as he could and and Uh, you know, I
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: don't know, like you'd have to really rebuild if you're
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: gonna I don't you know what I mean, I don't know,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: you know, but.
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: I think it's kind of fair to say they can
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: do what they want, but the sport's so dangerous. You know,
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: if you can't spend the money, what good is it
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: going to do you. I mean, it would seem to
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: me that, you know, I think he took it as
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: far as he could. I think he'd be a good
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: candidate to call it a day. I agree, you know,
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm thinking. And to backtrack a little, I'm
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: going to go opposite A lot of people. Even with
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: the performance USIC just had, people were saying, why retire.
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: I'm the exact opposite. He's thirty eight. He hasn't taken
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: the damage the money Masaudi's have gotten him in these
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: recent fights. You see the figures. Why why not be
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: able to spend it? I mean the sunset, you know,
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: right off in the sunset, Why take the chance? You
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: know people are looking at you historically now favorably. Why
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: why take the chance outside of the history it's heavyweights,
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: you know, you step in the wrong. He's thirty eight.
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: Your brain doesn't take it as well either. At that point,
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: you stepped in on the wrong night. You take all
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: those shots, then you can't spend the money like you
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: could have before.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: That it's not it's not worth it. So mostly the
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: continue to clear out the divisions, like what more does
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: he really have to clear out? Though? Right? Like really,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, okay, Parker, okay, great, But I mean is
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: that gonna are you gonna put him up another notch
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: for beating Parker? Like, I don't know. I just that
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I did notice that A lot John, a lot of
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: people say, continue, man, continue, Yeah, it out.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: It's like, what's more to clear?
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't believe.
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: No, I couldn't believe more people weren't saying that. I mean, look,
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: it's and that's not a bad thing for the sport.
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: Let the guy get out with his faculties intact at
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: thirty eight, off off a good performance with a lot
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: of respect, a lot of money, a family, and you know,
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: just right off into the sun, right off into the sunset.
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: One thing I'm going to say with a Parker fight,
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: because nobody's gonna sell me that Parker is that good?
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: If Usik were to fight him next, I mean, and
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: Usik would lose. Usick have to me, Usik would have
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: to fall fall off a cliff to so I don't
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: need to say. That's one time I'm gonna agree with Turkey.
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: I don't want a trauma. But but I actually think
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: Turkey was right, Like I don't need I don't want Usak, Parker,
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: I don't. I don't like if if Usik loses, it's
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: going to be because he's got nothing left all of
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: a sudden.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Marker is better for at some point right.
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: Right now, like the one guy who has a style matchup.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying he would beat him, but knowledgeable people
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: were saying that, like, if you want to really to me,
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: make it like a quote unquote good fight. I think
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: Usak should retire. But if he doesn't, I mean, Caviel
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: arguably has the best style matchup to threaten the guy
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: because he can box a little bit, he goes to
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: the body, ferocious body attack, and he's not afraid to
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: be aggressive. That would be the one fight that at
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: least you could maybe say, maybe this will be interesting.
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: But Parker, I'm with Turkey on that one. I mean,
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: I don't I don't.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't.
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't pay big money to make that fight.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: No, you get have the belt, you know.
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: Fine, that's why I always look at that, right, let
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: him have it.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Cabell every every stage so far, you know,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: he's he's got every match up, he's shown like, all right,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: this dude is legit.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: He seems pretty legit.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, if if that's the fight, yeah,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: you're right, if they I don't want to see a
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: third fight with now, I don't. I don't want that
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: a you know, you've already done that. We've already been
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: down that line. So yeah, if it is Kabel, I
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: wouldn't complain about it. That's for sure. This moment for Kabel.
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: And since I was saying it's worth mentioning Jake Paul
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: did get face to face with him. Yeah, I'm not
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: saying it was. It was gonna be a good sell
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: boxing wise anyway, but Usik was so dominant against Dubois,
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: you know, it makes Jake Paul like, it makes it
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: a little harder sell, you know, like even though nobody
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: in the right mind would be expecting Jake Paul to
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: win a fan base that doesn't know boxing. But still
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: with Who's that coming off such a dominant performance, it's
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: a little you know, like in other words, if Who's
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: struggled or something like that, and then hey, Jake Paul
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: is gonna get a fight for the heavyweight title, right
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: But you know, after that fight, even Jake Paul was
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: talking about an m M A fight and nonsense like that, that.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Would be a lot of balls if he stepped up
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: against I mean, I know it's a lot of money,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: but still you're gonna get knocked out, you know, so
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: that that would be a lot of balls.
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: But yeah, that's obviously could just take a lot of
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: money get knocked out. He fought for the heavyweight title. Yeah,
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: but you know who's you know, I mean, that would
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: be a good cash out, a safe.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Cash out for Yeah, yeah, that'd be fine with me, man,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: that'd be That's okay with me.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I just I just kind of.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Wish we'd get back to appreciating the fighter right now.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Don't worry about where you rank him.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Just appreciate what we got because you know, he's gonna
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: be gone here soon with usk, you know, Yeah.
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: And he's you know, he's become lineal champ. I mean,
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: he didn't need to be bog In for that, but
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: that's a defense historically, and that's a good thing. That's
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: what I mean. Like to me, he has like done
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: at all. I mean, he ended up becoming a lineal.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Champ in a short amount of time for the fights
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: number you know.
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: Right, two defenses of the lineal title.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: But you have seven or six seven heavyweight fights something
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sounds about right somewhere in there.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I just he's just been a blast. He's
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: a funny guy too out of the ring. It's just
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: every step I just just appreciate seeing him.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: And what he's done.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: It's it's been great. And that's what I'm more worry
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: about than you know, where you got him on your
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: on your list, especially if it's ridiculous, and you know,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: obviously the further you go back, the smaller the heavyweights were.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: So he would have an up at that point. That's
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: fair because then he'd be more, it'd be more, you know,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: but you said some other things. Yeah, true, but there
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: are some style matchups that all of a sudden don't
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: exist right now. Guys don't like who can come forward
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: like Joe Frasier right now the last few years.
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: No last you go back for me. That's what I've
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: been saying that like twenty twenty five years. And I'm
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: not even blaming the fighters that nobody wants to take
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: that damage, right yeah, And like you know, like what
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: can you say? You know, I mean, you can't really
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: know what we know about headed injuries even more now
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: and like but the fact remains right. But but but
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: he was fighting like that, you know, so he did
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: that like right exactly, Like now, just nobody's even willing
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: to fight like that, right, So that's a different that's
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: something new that has not face.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: And plenty of people thought AJ had him in trouble.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: You know, there are some moments where you thought, I
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: don't know, I just it's difficult to say this.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: You know, this era of that era.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: I do think that if it's a deep era, then
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get more credit obviously, you know. And you know,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: although we've commented that this has been an entertaining era
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: and it was better than the vlad era because you
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: had more people and then we had some great fights
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: and upsets and this and that, and even you know,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: as he was making his way to heavyweight. You know,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: not many people thought he was gonna go all the way.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: So it's just been entertaining. It's not to take anything
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: away from you know, Wilder and Fury and all these guys,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: but you know, none of them are in the top
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: five or top two or top three. But who gives
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: a shit, you know, it's it's just a fun era.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: And we finally got some stuff going on with the
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: heavyweight division, and it was fun. We got we got
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of great fights or at least solid matchups
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: or whatever.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: So anyway back to.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: So Fandora, I mean, you know, I think that he
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: might be able to beat everybody's division. I could also
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: see him beating someone in the you know, within the
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: fight and getting stopped or whatever. That's just him. I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: wouldn't take away from him. But one fifty four to
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: me is up for graps kind of like it's been
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: besides when Mel had it, but still he had to
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: grind his way to keep it and like Castano fight,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: the first fight and all that, and it does seem
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: like Mel's going to return this year. We'll see how,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: you know, Dremal goes there. But I just one fifty four,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: it's just it's wide open. Let just hope they can
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: make the fights. You know.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: That's kind of the key there.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: And then you know, I was I was okay with
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: the draw with Patio and Barrows because neither guy really
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: did enough to be like, yes, I want if I
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: had to choose, I would choose pak Yall. But honestly
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: I was okay with it because pak Yall looked good early,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: then didn't do much, then he closed pretty well. Barrios,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: you know, looked good when he threw his jab on
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: the right hand and then he let off the gas,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: and I did think what his trainer was saying is
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: you're you're respecting him too much, Like what are you doing?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: I like the corner work was great in that he's like, hey,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: he's not the referee in there, He's not this, He's
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: not that. He's going down the list of like, hey, dude,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: you gotta win this fight here, And I gotta say,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: pak Yow. You know, the ugist style in what he
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: can do to somebody compared to Barrios, you can't really,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: you know, compare the two. Obviously, so Ugas was able
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: to stay on game plan and make him look his age.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Although Manny of course is gonna look his age because
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: he's old for a fighter anyway, I don't want to
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: make us seem too old. But you know, like he
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: actually bouncing around. He actually looked better than I thought
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: he would. But you gotta keep you know, I gotta
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: give him credit for that. He did look better and
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: I can see that he's going to continue now. But overall,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: what what are your thoughts out of this? Should they
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: you know, cash Pacio out and give him a big fight,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: or like, where we are you at with this?
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: Because obviously he's gonna keep fighting. Yeah, I mean he look,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: Pacio's gotta need money. I mean, let's let's really say,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: you know, it's not it's not discussed enough like this guy,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: this guy's gotta need money because.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: I'll discussed enough because he's a nice guy. John right,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: exactly exactly. They'd be honest ass about it, exactly because
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: you know, then his management saying afterward and money wise,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: I do get it.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: They're they're like, nobody wants to see this Barrios fight again,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: which nobody does. We're gonna fight Tanker, yeah out, you know,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: those those probably will sell pretty good. That was what
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: fan base he's got left I mean in the context
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: of today's boxing, because of course there's no numbers on this.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and though they were round, he still, man, he
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: brings them up that way. I'll give him that.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: But even Pakia's management was implying that it wasn't a seller.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, Yeah, there were places, you know, and
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: then they had a big ticket drop and all that.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: But the people that were in the building.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Still were like, that's my guy, you know, and he's
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: just that type of fighter, you know. Oh definitely. But yeah,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: even if there's a thousand people, those thousand people are
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: gonna make a lot of noise, you know. Yeah.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: But I was like with you, I mean consensus, and
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: I think consensus probably right, doesn't mean I agree with
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: them all the time, but like Weissfeld kind of consensus,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: considered the best, most reliable judge. He had a draw.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's what I look at too.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, a lot of people screaming Pakia won the fight,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: but like even them in a couple of days afterward,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: it's crazy, as a lot of them were. It didn't
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: even it seemed like there weren't like a lot of
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: cries or robbery. After a couple of days went by
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: you know, so that's kind of like what you're saying
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: with the draw. So I look at the same way,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: like could you've given it to package You could have.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: I kind of had to come with this analysis a
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: bit like the Ustik daboag just in a certain way
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: where like like you said, you know, pakiaw for a
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: forty six year old guy, I mean he he brought
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: a little more than you thought, just bouncing around, and
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: he's able to keep his volume up higher than somebody
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: his age normally would.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: But still in like a hundred punches, you know, yeah.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: The only landed like what eighteen percent or something like that.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: But you know, Pakiyaw was bs and the judges too
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: with the dancing around on a bit like you know,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: a lot of it was showing a sense of yes,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: I mean you know, bounce, bouncing around and then moving
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: his hands. I mean yeah, yeah, like that's where I
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: was really And then Barrios probably I am just gonna
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: say this because I think it's true. You know, you
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: get with the analysis like I was talking about with Dubai,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: I think, well you got to go with Barrios the fights,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: the aberration, because let's look at his whole outside of
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: the you know, fight, this dude has not this dude
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: hasn't had to I mean, what are the good performances,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: you know, so I don't care where he's ranking. Everything's
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: so watered down today's boxing with with the weight classes
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: and everything. You know, is this guy, this guy, you know,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: the number three welter weight in the world or whatever.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, like I mean by default.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: But it's like, come on, you know.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Just like, yeah, that's what it is. By default.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: It's by default. So he ended up he ended up
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: being as bad as his worst. Detractors said, I would
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: say that that's so true. And Pakia was able to
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: do a little more dance and I thought he might
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: be able to move the hands. But where I was
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: really disappointed in Barrio was, you know, post fight, because
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: I think you can say that's even not being in
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: there when the guy's forty six and even as of
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: now we speak, he hasn't want to fight in six years. Yeah,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: Barrios is saying, well, Pacio could still crack. I had
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: to be careful to me. Come on, man, yeah, come
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: on right, come on, like really, you know.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: All he had to do is throw his hands a
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: little more he would have won the fight cleanly, right,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, come on, it's pretty seem pretty basic, you know.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I don't want to see this again. Barrios
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: is going nowhere. We know that too, Like, like Barrios
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: is going nowhere. I mean, like the type fight he
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: had with.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: Abble, Yeah, at the last performances.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: Like that's his level. I mean, that is his like level,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: you know. I mean, because Ramos has talent, but but
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: he just doesn't throw enough. I mean, if that dude,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: he's he's been like that his whole career, you know,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: if he was ever consistent like throwing right, like, he
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: can hurt you and there's some talent there, but he's not.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 5: We've seen him a million times.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: He's just not.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: But you know, Barrios, you know, he barely survived.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: That, just barely, I mean just by the skin of
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: his teeth, you know.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so he kind of shows you where he's at.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, you guys fight with him. I think with Joshua,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: we have to start looking like, excuse me. With Dubai,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: the Joshua fight might have been a bit of an
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: aberration just because they're both so flawed, and with Barrios
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: that was my conclusion from that same weekend, like we
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: gotta then recalibrate and say, look theose the guys fights,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: kind of the aberration because you look at his whole
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: career outside of that, and you kind of really see.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: What he is. Yeah, I agree, And someone's got to
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: take the damn belt from him. Yeah, just get just
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: get it, get the bellet like it's it's he's not
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: a deserved belt hoolder.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: No, that's the problem with alphabet belts, like right, you know,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: like like and this is where it gets absurd because
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: and this this I'm gonna point this out because this
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: is the problem with boxing. But as it stands now,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: one of the major problems. Ye, let's go back a
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: month ago when Boots Ennis was not talking about moving
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: up to one fifty four. I mean, you talk about
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: putting many, a forty six year old Many Pakia in
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: with Brian Norman or Boots Ennis, and I mean, you know,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: you get arrested for murder. I mean, like, so, so
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: what are we talking about here? Fans like, oh, he
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: moved his hands and danced against Barrios. Yeah, but but
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: if he would have fought Norman or Ennis, yeah, I
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: mean you'd be feared for the guy's safety.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I didn't see.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: Any of that. I didn't see any of that perspective
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: like transnational I did. I did speak out against this,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: like they put in enter him at four, and I'm like,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: if the guy enters based on what he's done in
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: the past, okay, I'm okay with him entering, but but
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: only entering, like you know ten or something, guy hasn't
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: want to fight for six years.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean these.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: Are people, you know, this is like, you know, people
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: who really follow this stuff, but getting caught up like
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: how's he, how's he?
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: How's he number four? Pakia?
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, how's he? We Yeah, I mean I mean, look,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: even though you know he had some injuries and stuff,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: like Stanionis gets dominated by Boots Ennis.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: But but he's in with Boots. He's in with Boots Ennis.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, right, like that to me, that's the point, Like,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: you know, when he's fighting, he's fighting Boots, He's fighting
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: Boots Ennis, right, I mean, Patio is fighting Barrios. I know,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: Pakias forty six, Yeah, you know, get a feel good
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: moment that he survived it and people thought he won
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: the fight. But let's let's keep respective. I mean, I'll
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: say this, Tank's got a lot of problem right now
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: with a bad performance and legal problems. But I'm gonna
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: feel comfortable saying this one. Even with all that he
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: gets in there with Tank, he's getting annihilated. I don't
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: care if I don't care if they fight at welterweight.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: In his style sets up perfect for tayk Come on it, buddy,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: come on in, do that around me.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's true, right, that's one of those tanks not
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: going to be doing any reaching up for him or
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: anything like that.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's like a perfect matchup.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: And when he gets to detonate right at that level
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: like that, like I talk about Cruise, you see the difference,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: but tanks, it's very short for you know as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, short,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: That's what I mean. You what tank unload on somebody
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: who's right there on that level?
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: One always takes risks, you know right now, because you're right,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: he was sloppy. He wasn't accurate, which he shouldn't be
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: at this point four years, but you could see he
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: was missing a lot of shots. Like you said, the
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: crowd still was all loud when he but like that
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: didn't even land you know, so comp box again.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: I like it as a tool, not like necessarily to fight.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: And they had both of them for abysmal punches landed rate.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, like both both. I mean that's I mean, that's pathetic.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: That's bad. That's it's really bad. That's difficult to do.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: I rarely see that, right if you see that it's
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: a one side. One fighter has that seventeen percent, the
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: other one has like a forty two or something, you
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, you don't normally see both on
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: their twenty percent.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: I mean that was good for Pakia's health under the circumstances.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't want they got to get hurt.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: But he's a four look even as a boxing fan.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: In his story, he's a forty six year old guy.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: He shouldn't. He really shouldn't be out there.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: No, just and like you said, a lot of people
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: don't want to say it, but it is money. There's
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: just no other reason otherwise. He just want to do
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: this one to feel good about it and then move
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: on right in case. You know, he said it before
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: the fight that he's going to continue, and clearly it's
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: you know, it is actually sad uh, you know, but
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: it is what it is. I did think Joet Gonzalez
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: probably won that fight against Figueroa. I thought he landed
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: the cleaner meaningful shots. Now Figureo, to his credit, did
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: come on. But you know, is he is he just
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: shot worn? Is he in between styles? Because when he
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: you know, at times he looked more like his brother
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: when he had his head rested and just swing it
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: like dude, what are you doing? Like I smothering his
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: own work. He looked like Omar Figaroa, not Brandon Figueroa.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: Now I think I think he's on the down side
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: because he's got looked.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: He looked terrible in the Fulton.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: Rematch, really really really bad. And I thought he won
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: the first fight, you know, and he looked terrible in
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: this when he and you know, Gonzales is basically a
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: glorified journey man. He comes to fight. Yeah, but I
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: think figure Row is on the down. He fought with
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: that high, real high contact style. Yeah, some people said
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: he had to. I don't think he did have to.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: I actually do think with his attributes. I'm in the
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: camp and I've seen him from very early on in
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: his career, when he was one of the PBC guys
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: that you know, in the early network shows, they would
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: put him on the underground stuff. I mean, you know,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: he's a bantamweight and stuff, but he never wanted to
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: fight using the physical attributes. He wanted to get his
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: head on you and you know, throw a lot of
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: punches and brawl and he's always been an entertaining guy
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: to watch. But I think that's caught up to him now.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: It's been too high contact for too long, and I
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: think he's on the down side. I just think he's
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: going to be an easy mark for somebody at this point.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: You know, you could argue he.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: Did enough to pull it out, but you know, Gonzalez
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: even always come in to fight and he's had someone's
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 5: where he's been competitive, but you know, that's a you
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: should be just beating.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: Clearly, he shouldn't look at good because sometimes on those counters,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: I was like, WHOA Joette is really lighting his ass up,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: you know, and then that's not even right the way
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: you fight. He actually said that, you know, hey, we're
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: gonna it's like a measuring stick of where figure O
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: is at.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: If he has problems with him, there's a problem. Well,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: there's a problem.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: There's a problem.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's I'm going to say, I think
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: he's on.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: The down side. Yeah, yeah, I'm right there with you.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: It'd be nice if Gary Russell Jr. Could get a
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: good fight here, because you know, he can't have that
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: many more fights left in him. Onto this wenkend Xander
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: Zaiez just one sided Garcia. Carrington one sided his opponent.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: What do you make of it? John?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: That was kind of a microcosm of why this top
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: ranked deal didn't work. I mean, and look, I've said
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 5: in recent years down the stretch of it, and he
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: you know, and really want one guy's continued to stand
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: at the others not as much like I said for
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: them down the stretch when they were fading. Like best
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 5: case scenario at this point is just just give all
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 5: you got with Mason, Keyshawn Davis, and Carrington.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: You know, Carrington's performances have kind of dropped off some.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: He's old for the weight, you know, for where he
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: for where he is at that rate, by the way,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 5: twenty eight years old.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: Keyshawn Davis kind of you know, got off track recently.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: You know, he said he has some good performances and
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 5: something weren't as good. You know, Mason has continued to entertain,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 5: but like, you know, you look like the Carrington opponent
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 5: was not that good. He came to fight maybe more
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: than we would have expected in a good way, but.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: As overhand rights were landing pretty good.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: He was trying. But but like I thought, Tim Bradley
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: had a good fair job with the commentary in some
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: way he was saying that what he was saying in
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: that one, you know, because he's been doing the top
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: rank and he fought for top rank. But he's saying like, look,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: listen to the fans. You know, the fans are not
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: in I mean, but but Bradley's making fair points. I mean, yeah,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: the fans are not entertained. I mean they're not.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: They didn't have a lot of power either, but he
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: sure tried to wear you down, right, He would have.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: He would get into some good fights anyway, even though
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 5: he didn't have power, you know, most famously against Pravodnikov.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: But but you know, like so Karen can like and
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: that that's when then I start thinking like this, like
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, like he Carrington wasn't fighting like
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 5: a prime Marco Antonio Barrera or Eric Morales, and that's
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: where I start having problems with these guys, Like you know,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 5: then then the fight itself, like if Karen Can's fighting
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: that way and maybe he's just trying to get a win,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: keeps the fans entertained enough the significance. But like when
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 5: you're fighting the unknown guy who's trying harder than maybe
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: we expected, but still isn't that talented. It's like Bradley
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: was saying, I mean, the fans are not entertained. You know,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: you got to you gotta do something, you got to
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: do something more. You're you've got the ESPN exposure, right,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 5: and just just that's kind of not getting the assignment.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, And but that's also the problem. Like look,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: people talk about like well we want to see and
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: there have been some great fights and the great fights
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: of all time. I mean this was featherweight. You maybe
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: get that more when you go below featherweight. But still again,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: I like I always say, UFC doesn't even have those
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: classes for the men, Like you know, they had them
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 5: when it was WEC, but they didn't even bother emphasizing
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 5: that right with the uf FC when they folded that.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: Like what I'm getting at is like it's featherweight, you know,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: so that's like again promotion like well, you know when
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 5: you're putting you know, not that they're having them in
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: great fights we could come up with, but when you
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 5: start getting lower, especially below featherweight, but you know there,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: there's more chance of that happening where the power's not there.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you're right, it's it's probably gonna play out
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: that way a lot of times than if you can't
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: do it there, you know, right, And I mentioned this
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: right right, when you're getting on it's one thing to
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: do that ninety seconds left of a fight that you
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: have won. You know, that's different. A lot of people
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: hate that. I don't. That's fine, but it seemed like
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: he was on cruise control for quite a while, you know, right,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: And there's.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: A difference there.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And where I was thinking, like it frustrates for
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: me with the top rank type deal, like then we
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: sat through this, then they're talking about them, Oh well
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: maybe we'll have him fight Espinosa. You know, I've been
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 5: saying this with guys like Carrington who look good, Mason,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: like like the time is now like like like not
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: a top rank deals gone right, so like well, sorry, guys,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: too late, you know what I mean, Like you know,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: and you know, like look, Leo pulled the upset and
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: ended up getting a belt. You know, when he knocked
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: out Lopez with that big shot, I was entertaining. But
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: like le I'm gonna point that out of point out
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 5: at the time, like Leo was a guy who used
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: to you know, he'd been on PBC cards before. He
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: was just kind of there as an opponent like in
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 5: an alphabet belt fight, and he pulls the upset. But
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: like that is my point, Like you weren't building up
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: Leo or anything. He he just got that whin Like
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: you know, That's where I was saying, like move up
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: in a way, or you know, have Carrington. Sure Carrington
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 5: might lose, but he might not lose. He might knock
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 5: he might step up and knock the guy out. Like
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: these are the miss kind of opportunities, you know, and
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: then we get this these kind of fights. And it
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: was the same really for me. Zia's in the main
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: event was basically like same analysis. I mean, you know
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: the Garcia he got the one split decision upset over Conwell,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: he done nothing you know outside of that. But then
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 5: you know, to me, I just got to say it
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: when I'm watching these, like Gauzaias has really leveled off
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: to me, like, you know, Zaias is fighting the guy
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: like he's fighting John the Beast Mugabi or something. Yeah yeah,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 5: and like and that that that this was a perfect
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: example of the alphabet cover type stuff, which to me
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: is ruining the sport. So like, it's not that great
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: of a fight, so top rank is going to trot
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: out the reliable wb O belt like they always do,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: and then that they're they're gonna sell it.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 7: Oh, he's a world champion, he's the youngest Puerto Rican
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 7: world champion and all this, all this stuff for a
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 7: fight that's not we knew it wasn't going to be
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 7: that good and wasn't that good, and then they think
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 7: they're gonna cover it with alphabet stuff and make it
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 7: smell good, you know, Like like Zaias is leveled off.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know he's young, but he's had enough fights.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's that anymore. Like you know, yeah,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: you're right, enough fights, he's had enough fight. He's way
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 5: leveled off. It's been going on for a while. He's
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: not gonna he's not gonna do good when he fights
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 5: a really tough opponent. You can already see that. I
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: feel comfortable saying that guys just leveled off. He's you know, he's.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Not fifty four, Like, there's no there's not a tome
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: like if you look at the top five six guys,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be it's gonna be tough to beat them.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: You know, you gotta, you gotta it's you know, it's
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling that it'd be kind of a
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: mixed match, assuming Crawford didn't come back to the division, right.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: I just think that that that guy can beat these two,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: but then he get beat by that. Then you know, Virgil,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: you'd like to think that he could beat everybody, but
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: you know, he we still need to see it with him,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: and we have seen him in brawls where you're like, man,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: if you fought that way with him, you get you know,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: you'd lose the fight.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: I just goes back to let's hope these damn fights happened,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: because it's the thing about fifty four. Most of it
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: was at the PBC prior, so you knew the fights
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: were going to happen. That was one of the most
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: successful that, right, you'd probably say that was their most
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: successful division because of how long it went and changing
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: of titles and great fights and upsets and you know
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: that type of thing. And they did let it organically
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: play out, you know, and oh that happened. Okay, let's
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: let's match up against him then, you know, and and
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: they gave it felt like even if you're the B side,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: you had a fair shot. But you know, speaking of
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: the top rank, you know, with Bob, God bless him, right,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: I hope to be even shit even that age. You know,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, this this guy, it's phenomenal. How with it
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: he is? He is? I mean is it's it's phenomenal.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: And he's still good for a couple of great lines.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: And is Bob, you know the old I was lying yesterday.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: Today I'm telling the truth. You know, you don't know
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: what to believe with Bob. You just don't when it
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: comes to certain things. Not discrediting him or anything like that.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: But you know, he says that he's got two to
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: three deals, it's just a matter of finishing the negotiations.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: He says, one is a large streaming service. But then
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: he also says, you know, he's got some sort of
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: linear television, which it seems like, well you're on that.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: You know then that had been good to keep that.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: But you know whatever, you hope that there's h that
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: that's true. We'll see. Obviously they don't have anything scheduled.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: But if it's it's a matter of a month or
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: something and there's an announcement, okay, if it gets to
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: a few months, you start to go, I don't know
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: his own is there waiting for it. But other than that,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: it's like where you at with this? Where you at
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: with this? Because rumors?
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: But I I think Aaron is smart enough to know
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: just I mean, I'm not saying he might not take
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: it if that's all he's got, but he knows to
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: the zone can't do anything for his product. I think
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: he aar smart enough to know that. Like he's still sharp,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: he follows things. He knows what's going on, you know,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 5: the ideals like see PBC. It just hasn't come to
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 5: fruition like you'd like to see it. Like, I mean,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: Amazon's got the reach. If the cards would just be
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 5: on regular Amazon.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: It's activated.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: I mean now that streamings, you know, I've shifted myself.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: You have to look at what has happened. I mean,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: now that as you and I both saw, and you know,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: it's official for the first time in history streamings past broadcast.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: It's more than fifty percent now.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: So now now to me, you just do have to
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: just like Netflix, and that that makes Netflix and Amazon
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: the top players, and stats are going to back that
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 5: up too. So you know, we've got Crawford l on Netflix,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 5: and we've got PBC with an Amazon deal that has
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: barely been on a regular Amazon, which has been the problem.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: But like if that were to shift, if fights from
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: PBC or Top Rank would start getting on regular Amazon,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 5: that would help the sport. Or if Netflix took a
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 5: further step and started putting any of these entities fights
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: on regular Netflix. That's in this era we're entering what
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: the sport needs. I mean, nobody's going to see him
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: on his own, nobody's seeing these pay per views. I
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: mean we we both said that, and the evidence is
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: all there. I mean, even even turkeys. We've been encouraging it.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: A bail on it, he's talking about he's talking about.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: He's trying to pull the old Oakie dog on us. Yeah,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't know that term but
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: the old oak, the bait and switch. Uh, well, we're
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: going to get into that now. There was a report
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: John about Netflix getting into it. Now if the source
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: is legit, I don't know one if it is or not,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: But there was a report out there that said they
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: comboed PBC in Jake Paul and it was Netflix. It
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: was sport business. Okay, So I'm not gonna sit there
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: and say it's the top of the line and they're
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: always right and all that, but it was a report.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: Streaming service Netflix is reportedly seeking further expand its entry
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: into live sports by targeting the PBC and Jake Paul
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: and obviously his promotion, okay. And also I remember sometime
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three Netflix weighing up moving or Wang
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: weighing up move for live boxing rights, like they're they're
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: getting to it. And then also a sports there was
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: the This was in July eighteenth, twenty twenty five.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: Same source.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: Netflix claims sports Live strategy unchanged. We're still we're still
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: gonna do it. And obviously, uh, Amazon Prime just as
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: the NBA now they have Thursday in the NFL among others.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: Netflix has been one off so far, but it does
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: sound like, you know, maybe they want to get involved. Obviously,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: you throw top rank, if you could somehow throw in
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: a perfect world PBC top rank at Jake Paul, throw
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: them on Netflix, get them a deal. Now we're now
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: we're cooking. That's kind of becoming that's become my mediot.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: That's kind of become my main hope now because Netflix
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: is getting more NFL this year. One thing, that one
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: thing that you know, it was good that I read it.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 5: That was that New York Times article bout a year ago.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 5: I mentioned to you a few times where they just
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: talked to all the top streaming people and felt like
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 5: it was just going to come down to Netflix, Amazon
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: and then one other pull, one other player that we
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 5: would see. But I think we're that's the direction I see.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: So But but in that article, what what you know,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 5: the Netflix had had said and they you know a
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: lot of times it's bs, but not with them, it
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: doesn't seem to be. They seem to me to be
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: following through on it, whether it be the movies, the sports,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 5: whatever the case may be. Your philosophy is, and this
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: is where it would be a hope for boxing. Like
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 5: whatever they feel like their subscriber wants to see and
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: adds value to their service. They will break out, break
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 5: the bank, break the patient with the bank out right,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: they'll wait though, right.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: They showed profit, and they're like, all right, now, let's
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: linger here a second and make sure we make.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: The right move.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 5: And what they've said is if they just evaluated with
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: their standards and they're like, this is not this doesn't
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: add enough for our subscribers, like that, they're not going
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: to buy it. But like so like you know, they're there,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: this looks like we'll get you know, they've had a few.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: Now we're getting Canelo Crawford. So that's where that helps
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: with like getting away from this pay per view because
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: the implication I get from them is that like and
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: you know, look they're adding NFL when you know how
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 5: much that costs.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of like, if.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: We feel our subscribers really want this, you know, we're
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: just gonna pay it and put it on you know,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: you get it for your.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: Monthly, for your book. If it's not overpays, boxing is
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: relatively affordable, right, if it's not some kind of crazy overpay.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if they give them, you know, good fights for
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: what they're going to pay. And that's where boxing in
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: recent years has had more problem than ever. Yes, like
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 5: if they just stick to quality control themselves and say
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: like okay, yeah you're willing to pay us, we're going
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: to give you a good one here. That's that's where
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: boxing is had a problem. But you know that because
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: it's got the reach and with their with their philosophy,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: like in other words, it seems that pay per views
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: got nothing to do with their philosophy, right, So that
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: would be what box it needs.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: You'd have to reach.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: They've got the money, like you said, I mean you
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: I was reading their money figures last week too, like
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 5: their official financials. I mean, they've got an insane amount
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: of money, an insane amount of money right now we're
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: talking about the Saudis. Of course the Saudis do too,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: but like Netflix has got it for a company. Netflix
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: has got it insane about a buddy right now. And
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: that's how good. That's how good they've been doing so
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: you know now, And.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: It was a cut throat to get here.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: It was cutthroat business.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people losing money on streaming.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 5: The happy Gilmore too was a disappointment. I gotta say
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: that was heavy. Yeah, yeah, can't be heavy. Can't be
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: you overdose heard. I was like, all right, we got it, Yeah,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: we got it right, can't be I mean to like it.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: I wanted to like it real bad because and I'm like, man,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: you know, I tried to. I'm like, I'll give it
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: the thumbs up barely.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: But you know, just probably some middle schoolers that love it, though, John, I.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: Saw people give it. I saw people give it five stars.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: And what were you guys watching, man? And I could
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: tell they watched it too. But yeah, anyway, I'm diverting,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: But just point of that, that was one of their
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 5: big events. So they you know, they whatever, they whatever,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: they paid paid to make that.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: But well, if you could just get those qualities showtime
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: triple Adders on Netflix or Amazon and you know, a
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: two and a half hour window live archive after just
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: get back to the basics, step back to the you know, like,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: if we could get that, I guarantee we could go
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: after some young people because that ship was really good,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: really entertaining, really solid fights, and uh we had that
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: run where there wasn't a lot of pay per views,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: you know, so and it does feel like, uh, that
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: side of it. The PBC and Top Rank have their
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: financials as far as what they pay to fighters, it
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: seems like it's under control. So you know, that's probably
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: your best bet because then you know, then you could
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: be like, hey, if you give me this amount of money,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: I can make this, you know, and instead of like
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: these crazy overpays.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: So we'll see you know that that and you.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 5: Could know if like we keep saying, at least I
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 5: keep saying it, even if it's a cash out. But
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 5: that would be perfect for Netflix too, because he's got
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 5: his fan base. And know if you had Jake Paul
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 5: fight a name and it was on Netflix, even if
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: he gets knocked out in the first round, I mean
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: that would that would still be good for moving forward boss.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: And as far as like a new deal, I do
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: think that, uh, the PBC, the fact that Canelo took
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: the four fight deal that hurts them. The fact that
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: Spence hasn't gotten back in the ring that hurts them.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: You know, those are guys that could sell tickets and
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: and move and draw attention, you know. So and obviously
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: if you had those two and then you still have
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: Benavize's and Dravante, well then all of a sudden you
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: can really go get a deal probably, you know, especially
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: if that's on free subscribers. You know, those they're gonna
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: they draw, they would draw numbers. But you know, with Benevitez,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: luckily it's just a one off with the Sadi's on
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: this next one. But you know, with Jervonte and Benavitez,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: without Canelo and Spence and all that, you know, I
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: guess that would be.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: Harder to get a deal.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe throwing in a manny for a free
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: fight for two fights, maybe that would be part of
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: the deal, you know, all that type of stuff. That's
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: you got to think of it that way. Maybe Many
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: gets two more fights, but then the undercard is really
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: good and then they build off of that like they
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: did with the Jake Paul thing. And you know, but
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know that.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 5: Well, that's probably what you said there. I have a
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 5: feeling might be PBC's survival strategy because I think where
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 5: they're at now and this is just time which happens
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 5: to everybody. Yes, they got their thing going in twenty fifteen,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 5: and some of the people you've mentioned, they are the
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: names that that they were able to build up, especially
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 5: in the perspective of today's boxing. But the problem is
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 5: it's ten years now. Those guys are like Spence could
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: be done. Yeah, you know, Plants at the end of
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 5: the life. You know, you can go through those guys.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 5: Plants probably how much Chloe brothers still have three tops,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 5: you know, I did when I saw that happen. I
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 5: think that absolutely has a lot to do with why
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 5: Pakias back. Yeah, yeah, I mean, like you're I think
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 5: you're right, Like it would not be at all beyond PBC.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: I think if they're if they can find at you know,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 5: increase the Amazon deal or deal somewhere else, that they're
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: going to risk throwing Paco out at the top for
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: a fight or two, and he is just because of
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: the name and hope he doesn't get hurt, and try
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: to have some other people underneath, you know, maybe some
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: of their younger guys, like you know, Benavitez has still
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 5: got something left, like you said, and you know you
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: got Hayesus Ramos.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, guys like that.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: You know, maybe you know, they don't have as many
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: of them, but some of the younger guys they have
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: that you still have something left. Get some of those
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 5: guys out there try to keep.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: That definitely hurt him this last year or two. Yeah,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: it had to have, you know, because when especially when
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: you lose Canelo, I mean they were they were making
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: profitable fights with him, you know, right, and imagine what Canelo. Well,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: we're gonna find out what Canelo well, somewhat find out
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: what Canelo draws here, you know, coming up in some
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: to the lowan Crawford.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: So we'll see, we'll see how that goes.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: But it's I need to.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: See real numbers. I mean that's too. Can appeals to
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: American sensibilities. Crawford's an American, so he appeals to US sensibilities,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 5: Like I need to see their official numbers because Netflix
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 5: knows this, Like I need to see exactly how not worldwide.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 5: I need to see how many people in the US
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 5: stream that fight. I mean, that's critical. It's it's to me,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: it's like what.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: The whole thing's coming down to.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 5: You can't save the sport, but there's just not there's
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 5: not enough hope with anything else. It's it's got to
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 5: be the first step to see to saving things, if
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: things are going to be saved. That's the way I
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: look at I do think it's that dramatic.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because like the numbers that we've seen, you almost
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: want to cut them in half just for theory. Okay,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: so in theory, if that was even half that number,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: this is what it equates to, you know. Yeah, so we've.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: Been for a little bit here.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: Is there.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: Did you get a chance to.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: Read anything with the Revival ACTMAI revised. It's not wrong
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: to only like twenty one pages. So the pros, the
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: cons some of the stuff. We already talked about this
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: before in the past, knowing that you know, legislation is
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: on their side, as we talked.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: About kind of predicted this one ever sent back to
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 5: the November election, was saying this could be coming, like.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: It or not. This is something you know they did
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: in New York as well, and that that's what you do.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, you take advantage of what you got.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: So you know, some of it is raising the health
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: insurance from twenty to twenty five thousand. Some of it's
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: a minimum on a round, but if you talk, you know,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: if you look around, most peopeople are making more than
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: that minimum per round. The paramedics, how many paramedics are
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: on site. The UBO was an interesting way to do
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: it because on one hand you think, you know, that
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: does make sense, but then you got another let's say
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: three new UBOs come in, and then you have seven
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: belts then, you know, or seven different sanctioning things right
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: the clause where you have to have.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: A training facility to be a you know, there's.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: Certain things like so this is just exactly what you
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: guys are. You're gonna get a head start, you know obviously,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: which hey, they're doing this to get it past they
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: got to bipartisan bill. That's what you do. You know,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: people can get mad or whatever they want. But as
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: far as we talked about, so who's going to rank?
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: Who's doing the rankings right? And also even some quotes
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: that I'll read a little later to talking about well,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: once we get a ranking, these top five will know
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: who's the best. Well, in this scenario, we wouldn't know
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: who's the best actually. So But also on the flip side, John,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: you talked about this too, how there's no ags that
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: have actually enforced anything. No, the OLIAC has been helpful
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: for negotiations for budgets or partial budgets. To see it
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: gives you the power to litigate and sue, you know
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: more than you might probably had. It sounds like the
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: board at the ABC supported it, but the members of
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: the ABC that they're they were blind in this stuff.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: So you know, on one hand, what is the OLIAC doing. Besides,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: like we've mentioned, helping the top tier fighters, which that's awesome,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: that is phenomenal, we can't can't act like that. Nobody
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: has to sell theirs self to six different promoters and
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: managers and get a cut five percent for the rest
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: of your career and all that stuff as much as
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: you used to be able to do, but in the
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: same breath hasn't helped the average boxer type thing. Well,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts overall with the Revival Act to
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: Save American Boxing?
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: The two party system stuff, the names of the bills
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: always crack me up, and this it just leads right
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: in that we're gonna revive American boxing kind of No,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: But what are your thoughts here?
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: My thoughts are.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: Potentially what it could mean because it's gonna pass John,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: It's gonna yeah, for the.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: For the group, you know, I think I think I'll
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: probably morally on the same page with a lot of them,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: So I sympathize with them. But but I think it's
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 5: a little misguided for some of the reasons you've talked about,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 5: like they're they're they're having an outcry, Oh, how how
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 5: dare they take away the ALI Act. I don't want
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 5: want to see promoters like Dana White make more money
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 5: or get more than the fighters who take the risk,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 5: and have those people paid less at the very top,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 5: like you know, you and I have been saying.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: I agree with that. I mean, I don't want payout
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: from UFC of the rep I don't.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: I would rather have Canelo or any fighter taking the risk,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: even if they're they're at the very top, getting the
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 5: money instead of Dana White or any other promoter. And
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: like I've said a lot too, don't we don't get
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 5: to see enough what they actually make. But with that
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 5: part understood understood, I got to disagree with these people
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 5: in a lot of ways where I don't think they're
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 5: being realistic. I think they are letting their moral bent
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 5: where they feel just like it's unjust for a Dana
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: White to get more money, which I agree with them,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 5: but this is where they're clouded. The alphabet organizations are corrupt.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, to me, the ALI Act it's really McCain
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 5: and you know Aaron did some of that stuff too,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 5: but you know, they were really targeting Donta. You know
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 5: they were they were targeting Don King because Don King
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 5: would have he was promoting the w b C Heavyweight
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 5: champ or you know, and then if somebody wanted to
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 5: get a shot who was not in his promotion, he was,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 5: he was making him get options and he had and
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 5: he had you know, Carl King, his step son, was
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 5: managing fighters.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: So the same thing they would have been doing if
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: they were in that position probably right.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 5: Right, The thing is, that's what I mean. It was
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: like too old away from Yeah, it was too like
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: overly targeted almost like we're taking this away and I'm
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 5: not saying don kingdon do some bad things. You know
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 5: Field's book on him, which was real good and stuff,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 5: but there's a lot of bad things in boxing, correct, right,
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 5: There's there's a lot of bad things in boxing, and
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: a bill just not just designed to go after Don King,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 5: which is what it was. Because the problem with the
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 5: Ali Act is I mean, and this goes to the
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 5: type of stuff you know, you and I talk about
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 5: every week we get to talk, like I mean, it's
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: based on on alphabets, like like you're you're making like
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 5: the alphabets are credible organizations.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: Like in other.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 5: Words, it has to do with you know, fighters fighting
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: for alphabet belts. And when I argue with some of
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: those people that argue for things like the Ali Act,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 5: especially some people who also follow MMA who don't understand
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: boxing as well, and some of them actually listen when
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 5: I pointed this out, like you know, the alphabets rank
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: undeserving fighters all the time. It's it's it's not the
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: WBC designs the most deserving person is going to become
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: the quote unquote mandatory. It's who's politically connected. Look at
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 5: their rankings. I mean they're a joke, all of them.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, I mean all the alphabets.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: There are no decide who accidentally took drugs too.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 5: Right and decided who accidental he took drugs or you know,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 5: we're going to collect a fine from Povetkin and he's
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 5: going to keep fighting. Yeah, you know, all all that
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: kind of nons It's basically like a bribe, you know
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 5: what I mean, Like they're going to give us two
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 5: hundred and fifty thousand dollars, We're gonna let him keep fighting.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's you know that, that's what that was
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 5: so like, and there's you know, all the examples of it.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 5: It doesn't he and the ALI Act doesn't apply overseas.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 5: It's only in the US. So you know, he shouldn't
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: really have much of a topic on this because I
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: was laughing and he's talking about, oh now you care,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 5: you know, and under this jurisdiction, what are you talking about?
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: I thought he doesn't follow any of the quote unquote
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 5: principles of it what he's promoted in the UK. You know,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 5: That's why I was laughing. So, I mean, so I
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: think that the intention is good, but some of the
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: opposition to change is is a little misguided.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I I'd rather have.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: The fighters at the top get the money instead of
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 5: the promotions.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: But the promoters have to be profitable.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: You are running a business, you know, under business.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: But I think let's get to this basics.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and anybody that follows boxing regularly has to say
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: this that they're being honest with themselves and they get
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 5: away from the biases like I'm saying about they don't
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 5: want promoters to get some of this fighter money, which
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: I don't either. Is it's not working. It's not working
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: for the sport. It doesn't work. I mean, the sport's
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: fading in popularity. There's really no protections. I mean, you've
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 5: got undercard fighters risking their lives for a couple of
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: one hundred bucks, you know, a thousand bucks or what.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 5: So if they get a thousand, does that make it good?
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, look at what we know about CTE. Who's
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: going to take care of these people when they take
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: all the shots when they're not at the very top
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 5: of the earners. I mean it really like it doesn't
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 5: really make any sense. Let's face it, even though I
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: want the fighters to get the money instead of promoters,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 5: but it doesn't really make any sense that a canelo
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 5: may weather a fury whoever it may be, even if
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 5: they're to draw that it doesn't get like revenue distributed
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 5: some I mean, there's guys getting permanent brain injury and
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 5: women you know, fighting for five thousand dollars and like
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 5: what what sense that? No health insurance? You know, no pension?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: What makes sense? And you can say this and develop
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 5: countries in Europe and the US because I learned this
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 5: as a lawyer. You know, somebody does have to take
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 5: care of them at a certain point. It's you and me. Yeah,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 5: like so the promoters aren't paying for that, but you
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 5: and I are, You and I are. It's not coming
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 5: out of Canelos. You well, a little bits coming out
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 5: of Canelos, share or Mayweather or whatever. But it's like everybody,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 5: you know, you know what, you know what they're paying for.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 5: And I hate to say, like this, but the funeral.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: Is what they're ying.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. You know, somebody's going to Medica, Medicaid or
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 5: with a disability on Medicare if they had enough time in,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 5: if they even had enough time. So, you know, we
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 5: the sport has always been the most dangerous and what
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 5: we know now it's it's not realistic to say, oh,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 5: boxing is in a better place with this ALI Act,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 5: because it's not. It's not. I mean I look at
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 5: the fighters that I look at what top MMA fighters
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: get paid compared to boxing. I don't like that. I mean,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 5: I'm with the people then saying hey, we don't want
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 5: that to happen. I don't want that to happen either.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 5: But I know the sport's not working the way things
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 5: are now, and I'm starting to see.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: To me, the ALI Act is.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 5: Is it wasn't intended that way, but it's kind of
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 5: getting in the way of trying to do something differently. Now,
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 5: this Revival Act may not be the answer. I'm not
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 5: saying it's going to be the answer.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: But it's the right path potentially.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 5: Right, let's say, let's say this at the least, like
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 5: even though these organizations have problems, like you you know,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: you would need to try to get to something in boxing,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 5: like you have a FIFA for a World Cup, you
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 5: have you know, USA track and Field is the governing
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: body the track and field in the United States. You know,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 5: it's it's not a revenue generating sport like that, especially
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: as the years have gone on. But like you have
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: something like not the alphabet organizations. I mean, yeah, you know,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 5: you know, they got it. They got to be put
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 5: out of business. They got to be out completely.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: And that's what we said to just buy those bastards out.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: If you're throwing all this damn money around, just chuck
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: it at them and put it together.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they really can't be worth they really can't be
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 5: worth much.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, like you know, you know, everyone's got their price.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: That's an old saying for a reason direct everyone's got
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: a price, and if you could just maybe you just
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: call it the WBC because they've been around, so whatever, whatever,
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: the green Belt a lot of people let whatever it is.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: I don't give them two ships of who wins, but
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: just buy them out and put them together. I don't know,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: because because this because the only thing about this is
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: you got your own ranking and all all that. That's cool,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: but who's doing the ranking right? And then if you
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: look at t KO, they would need to have like
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: a Hayman type roster ten years ago, two hundred people
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: or something if you're really gonna do you know, because
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: because if you use the Ring magazine rankings, that'd be great.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: But then you can't say the best they're fighting the
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: best if you don't have the fighters under your right,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: you know. So what do you think about this? What
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: do you think?
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know. So do you think they're just gonna
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: go all in TKO? Because and another thing is they're
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: not paying for it. They're getting paid by the Sadis
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: to do it right. And they're already tracked, you know,
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: multip people already tracked their lobbying. What came from you know,
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: came from the sadis her.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 5: Hearn says that, you know, but he maybe he's right
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 5: about this.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: We did talk about this.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 5: We thought this is what they might be doing, you
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 5: know her and shaying that they're gonna they're gonna t
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: AO thing is going to be where they're going to
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 5: be starting like a ground up thing, which I think
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: you can do if you're patient enough, if you've got
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 5: to be real patient, real patient.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: That's the thing.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 5: I got a feeling they're looking at that, but I
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: got a feeling they haven't fully made up their mind
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 5: because Turkey is still in at the high level, you know,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 5: like Canelo Crawford of course, for example, what Dana White involved,
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: so you.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: Know they're not going to make any money with his
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: pay scale, Yeah, right right, They're they want to make.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 5: Money, right right, So you know, I think they're probably
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 5: still figuring out exactly how they want to do it.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 5: But they, like I said, I mean, I don't know
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 5: if you know, White would do it this way with
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 5: you know, Turkey Ala sheet for the safety part of it.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: But like there is a study out there too. I
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: was reading it. Randy Gordon cited it in the ring,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 5: but you know, with actual data kind of fitting what
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 5: I've been saying about the brain injury part. I guess
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 5: one study was done a fighter where they came up
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 5: with and this will fit in what we're talking about.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 5: Really the maximum amount of fights when you should be
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 5: out is twenty six fights. Okay, so you know you
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 5: know that's where I kept getting out about like this, well,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 5: this this old system of these no hoper fights and
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 5: all this stuff, the amateur fights. It should just be
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: like if it's that idea I've had, Like so like
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 5: the ideal would be like let's say if TKO was
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 5: doing this kind of a developmental thing like this would
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 5: be a really really ideal, but it would make it safer.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 5: Like so, let's say you started your you went to
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 5: this training center or whatever, they got good athletic prospects
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 5: maybe from Division I things and stuff, and you started
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 5: your career or real good high school whatever. You start
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: your career at about twenty you know, you get to
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 5: twenty six fights, and you get out when you're around thirty,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 5: and you know, then you go to the next cycle
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 5: of fighters. Now you know, I know we don't have
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 5: it going that way now and stuff. But yeah, yeah,
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 5: it would be safer. You'd have less long term trauma.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 5: It wasn't mean you wouldn't have any injuries and death,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 5: but you know, it would be better. I know it
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 5: would be better on the data. And then maybe you
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: just have the guys learn in the training center and you.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: Know everybody definitely we have to organize pretty thoroughly and
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: maybe even like you know, some sort of union.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 5: Or something right, and then you have like you know,
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 5: it's difficult to get it right. We want everybody to
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 5: make good money.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: I wants to join a damn union that'll get health
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: insurance and stuff.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 5: I don't know, but something. But like the idea is
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 5: not like you'll see these people again. To me, they
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 5: don't know what they're talking about in a modern world. Like, well,
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 5: these guys got to get more active, more active. Like
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 5: if if you want to tell me they need to
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 5: fight twice a year, okay, I'll go with.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: You on that.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 5: But yeah, it's not nineteen we know.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: Right, we know a lot more.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, we learned some stuff. Yeah, let's let's apply that.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 5: Right, We're not having guys fight five times in the
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 5: year twenty twenty five with what we know, we're not
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 5: having guys fight five times a year. Look, Husick's doing well.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 5: I mean he's been fighting once a year. His activity
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 5: his activity level later talk about it. But that's probably
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 5: by design for him too. I mean, like you know,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 5: it's gone down. He and his total number of fights.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: Disciplined clearly too. You know, he's very disciplined, stays in
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: shape and all that. So and his total M Crawford.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 5: M Crawford and his official total number of pro fights
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 5: is not that high. Yeah, so you know, yeah, sure
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 5: we had a lot of amateur and he had some
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 5: you know, world series of boxing, but still his actual number.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: Of probably just do like a time limit. You wouldn't
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: probably limit it to the number of fights, you know,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: maybe you just do a time time frame, you know. Yeah,
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: that's it. That that is interesting. Obviously it take a
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: lot of organization and get people on the same page,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: which is very difficult in boxing, and just an overseer.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: But who do you put in charge though you know,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: been needed for so long.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 5: Job. Yeah, you need an independent You need an independ
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 5: and a non corrupt Yeah. Basically, like I said, even
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 5: you know, like again you have the US, you have
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 5: an Olympic Committee, you know what I mean, it organize
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 5: the Olympics. Like sure there's been corruption and things, but
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 5: it's still better than the alphabets, Like you know, I mean,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 5: it gets the job done. I'm trying to give examples,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 5: like you need something like that for.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: Boxing and no one. Yeah, committee, someone that's just getting
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: paid to do this job. But they're not going to
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: make money off the job. You know, it's not a
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: business for them. Like you're mentioning, it's a government. Uh,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: you know, it's an arm of the government or whatever, right, right,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: mini or whatever? Right?
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 5: So so you know, on the world level, would we
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 5: totally idea on the world.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: Level and then on a US or something like that.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 5: So you know, I mean this this, this to me
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 5: would be these are like the really the only hopes
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 5: to really save the sport at this sport, I do
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 5: think we're going downhill that fast.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 5: I was thinking about this before we came on too,
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 5: because this is playing out in a way in a way,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 5: they're related, but it's playing out a little bit where
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 5: I didn't think it was. Like, you know, all my
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 5: decades of following boxing, I figured there probably would be
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 5: an end at some point, But I always thought it
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 5: would be only on the violence. Oh right, yeah, like ing, yeah,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 5: like like or whatever, right, less popular, and then gradually
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 5: there became momentum.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: You know. That's how I thought about that too, John,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: when I ever think about the end of it, you know,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: maybe fifty years from now and people's mentality just change
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, My mom who's seventy seven, now she's like,
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: she's not as big a boxing fan as she used to. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 5: So, like what I didn't see is what I'm seeing now,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 5: Like that might be in part why some of it's happening,
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 5: you know, the quality of fights and things, which you know,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 5: I don't blame the fighters in that sense, but the
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 5: point is what I kind of didn't see, even though
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 5: it was always bad, was just it's really like how
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 5: badly run the sport is now and the quality of
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 5: the fights like that, Hey, I see that taking it
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 5: to the end as bad as the moral outrage part
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 5: quicker too quicker. And now that I didn't that, I
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 5: actually I knew the sport had all the problems, but
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 5: the end, the ring product was always so basically exciting
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: for the most part that you know, I thought that
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 5: and ratings always used to be real high. I didn't
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 5: see this part where like just the quality was dropping
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 5: so much and things were getting so screwed up that
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 5: the sport were just kind of shriveling up. Outside of
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 5: the moral outrage.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: Part, yeah, because it's always been a short money, short
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: term stuff, but now it's like crazy money. You're not
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: making a profit, and it's just even when you look
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: and go, man, I love this card, but if you're
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: not going to make any profit off the card, you're
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: not gonna nobody's seeing the damn thing.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: And that's what people don't understand.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: It.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: It's not that we you know, I don't know, it's
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: it's it's really frustrating though.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean until you just be have multiple UBOs,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: like like pro Box they have a facility, they probably
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: could they probably could qualify it to be a UBO.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: There's some people Jake Paul probably could be a UBO,
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: Like that's cool. But then then you just have more
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: sanctioning belts potentially, you know. So it's like that's like
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: kind of what we said before all this just buy
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: everything up and you know, you can stretch stuff out
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: in court as you know, you know, and what do
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: you end up paying a fine or a settlement? Right,
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: you know, just monopolize and then pay your settlement and
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: just get it over with. Then you rown the whole
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: damn sport. And then you go off that and you
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: use the ring ring, you know, and maybe a mixture
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: of the transnational in the ring, and you you blend
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: that together whatever it is, and that would be better.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: That would be better.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 5: That's kind of what I do in my That's what
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 5: I that's what I do in my own mind. And
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 5: then and then I add an additional step that most
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 5: very few people I don't know. I'm probably the only
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 5: one I know that does it, but I like to
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 5: do it. I think is be better perspective. All I
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 5: kind of meld the ring and the transnational. And then
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 5: I'll do one in my own mind where I'm like, okay,
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 5: if there was eight or nine weight classes, right, yeah,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 5: they're melting, They're they're merged, and I'm merging the weight
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 5: classes and I'm saying, and I can compare it to
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 5: like nineteen fifty or whatever, Yeah, this is this is
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 5: and it gives me a lot of perspective, you know.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure, I think you have to monopolize
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: the sport to save it. I just think you do.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 5: Exactly because you know, you foll it closely enough. It's
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 5: not working the way it is now, Chris. It's just
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 5: not so these people that approaches like, look, guys, women,
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 5: you know, if you can't, if you don't have a
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 5: better solution than this, I mean, because this is where
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 5: we're at now is not working.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: I mean you know, yeah, and then and then, like
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: you said, then all of a sudden, there are you know,
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: some media members whatever, long time boxing people, like they're
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: afraid to monopolize.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: But then you're like, well, can.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: You prove that's a monopoly, because in some sense you
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: can't because they thought they could do that with the
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: Hayman and then you know, or like they brought they're
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: breaking the ILI Act. It's like, well they didn't have
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: one fighter come testify that he was getting screwed for HAMI.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: So it's like, right, so you just filed this lawsuit
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: for no reason. I mean the judge that Golden Boy
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: lost was ridiculous. And then the judge just let him
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: have it. You know, they found more problems with their
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: contracts than the whole thing.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 5: So Adam, you know, it's a good argument.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: Mergers happened all the time. We just saw a damn
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: merger happen. Well, and there can be a big one too.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 5: I saw this happen, you know, twenty years ago, and
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 5: it was a good argument in the passed. Keep this
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 5: in mind too, because think of how bad off boxing is.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 5: When Exam and Serious merged, like twenty years ago, you know,
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 5: they were the only two satellite radio companies, so there
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 5: only became one satellite radio company SXM, which still exists
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 5: Serious XM. But so there were there were there was arguments.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 5: Then there were monopoly. It's one satellite radio company. How
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 5: can you only have one satellite radio company. There's no competition.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 5: You got to can't let that merger pass. Their argument was,
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 5: we got to compete against everybody else, We got to
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 5: compete against all these other entertainment mediums for satellite radio
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 5: and even have a shot. We have to be merged
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 5: and you have to still go through or we can't
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 5: compete with all these other entertainment options. And the government
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 5: ended up that argument was accepted, and it makes I
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 5: think about it, like if you combine boxing, when you
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 5: really look at it, the combined entity could say, Oh,
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 5: you're saying we're monopoly. Quick, we're competing against m m A.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 5: You know we've got MLB all these other sports. Well
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 5: you're competing against now, right right. You know we're lucky
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 5: to survive, you know we're lucky.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's it's I don't know, man, Mergers happen
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: every day, and not every day, but you know, like
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: every year or whatever. And some of them are clearly
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: like depending on who's in there, what gets approved, what doesn't,
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: what you're allowed to get away with, like Sinclair, you know,
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: buying up all this shit and then some of it
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: going bankrupt. You know, it's just I don't know, I
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: just you know, I'm I'm you know, capitalists first mixed
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: with some really makes sense to your people type of thing.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm into. Right, You gotta capitalism works if
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: you use the right type of capitalism. Right. Yeah, people
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: get afraid of social stuff, but it's it has to
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: be a combo. But you have to capitalism first. Even
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: Sweden is capitalism first. Then they mix in the social stuff, right,
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: But it's capitalism. You have to you have to have
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: the combo.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 5: I mean you have a police force, I mean, I
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 5: mean in theory, if it was absolute pure capitalism, there
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 5: would be no Yeah, what do you recovering police force?
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 5: But you know we have to think it's like medicare
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 5: that people like for good reason. Yeah, social security, other things.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 5: You know, there's there's all kinds of social contests, public schools.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 5: Of course they get attacks sometimes, but they're good things.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, you don't have pure capitalism. I mean, look, look,
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 5: there was bailouts. If there was there was pure capitalism,
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 5: there wouldn't have been bailouts of.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: Exactly, tax cuts or whatever all that. You know, it
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: just doesn't seem like it is when it But yeah,
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of this monopoly because there is, because
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: it would just help everything, including the fighters. It would
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: definitely and we've always talked about the baseline of bay.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: You know, this doesn't necessarily cover it because I think
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: it's shiny numbers that sounded oh the that's nice that
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: you're doing that. But then if you're really hurt, twenty
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: five thousand is not going to go that far.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 5: Now, it's just boxing. What's not right is boxing is
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 5: just a lottery.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, yes, to fight and risk your life and
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 5: your long term health that you can be Mayweather or Canelo, right,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 5: which is just a couple of our Joshua or fewer
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 5: your wild There are a couple of guys, I mean,
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 5: these other guys even who you think they're making decent
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 5: money when they get taxed and they got to pay
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 5: trainers and they don't have another job and everything, and
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 5: then they can't do another job when when their boxing
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 5: career is over and they need to all health care,
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 5: they're not making it. They're not making enough money. Ton't
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 5: even get through their life. Uh uh, you know, not
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 5: at all. So we'll see.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I don't think this is the
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: ultimate answer unless it's all the other stuff combined into it,
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: and it's it's just bring it all together. And you know,
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 5: Ready, I'm ready for the alphabets to go. I mean,
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 5: you know, I've always been ready for it, and like
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 5: you know, so that's where my thinking comes in.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: Now this would be the start of that.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 5: That's what I look at it like, this is this is.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: A long road, but it is a start to Hey,
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: we want to do our system this way. We're not
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: going to take fees from you. I do like that.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: They said they're not going to take fees. But but
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: it is a long process this way, that's for sure.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 5: Right, And what about right the alphabet sanctioning fees that
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 5: they take from fighters persons, So you know, you got
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 5: to pay these corrupt people money out of.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: Your purse, right, even if it's an intro, right.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: For an interview.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 5: And they're ruining all the telecasts with alphabet belts all over,
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 5: they really are for me, the really, I mean, everybody's
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 5: everybody's got a belt. The commentators are screaming like an infomercial.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 5: You know, Bias is now the youngest current Puerto Rican.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 5: It's just all kinds of nonsense. You know, every telecast
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 5: it just you know, no casual fans gonna follow it.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: And then real quick, the damn, the okie dope, the
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: bait and switch. So Turkey comes out and says pay
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: per view has ruined the sport.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: It's caused major.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: Damnae court, which, by the way, I just ran a
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: five of them a short amount of time. Then he says,
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: you know what, come November, we're gonna straighten it all out.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, you know that's better than
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: our current scenario. Then then the very next day, you
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: couldn't like make you couldn't make this ship up if
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: you try. The very next day, the Zone puts out
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: a press release saying, hey, if you want to get
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: all the pay per views, meaning we're still because the
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: way it reads, they're still in the pay per view business,
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: right is the second So we're already getting screwed on
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: the first subscription. Then they got a then they got
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: a second subscription that will pay for all the pay
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: per views, but you're still doing so the outside fans
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: they have to buy the pay per view, but the
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: hardcore is they just pay a one fee and then
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be good for all the papers for the year.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: What So, now there's a second paywall, which.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 5: Like I said, for one hundred thousand hard it's worse, though,
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 5: it's even worse than you think. I had to read
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 5: it five times to make sure I wasn't imagining things.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 5: But I did read it five times, and it was
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 5: worse than you even said, because the first five times
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 5: I read it, I thought it was what you said,
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 5: and then the sixth time I read it, the Zone said,
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 5: you'll pay us the two forty nine or whatever now,
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 5: and we're working in the future.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: And they didn't even say, see what Turkey's gonna do.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 5: And if if we can work this out, you might
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 5: get some paid perviews for this, if we work it out.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we work it out.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: We're still still working on it, right, we're still working out.
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 5: So they weren't even giving you the.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so what's the press release about it? Then we
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: heard the quotes of maybe there's a lot of maybe's
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: going on, John. Maybe we'll split the cards in three divisions,
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: So now you're downgrading your product. You say A plus,
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: B and C C will charge you with zone with
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: little money. So that's shitty fights, that's what you're telling us.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: The B is middle money, pretty decent fights if you
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: like the fighter, and that's with a lump sum one
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: time from the zone and that's it. Then we'll make
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: the And.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: This is the kicker.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: They said all this, then they get the A plus obviously, right,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: that's the whatever it is. But then then the kicker
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: is they He says, this will make the dizone have
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: the fan base in American, UK, around and around the
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: world to be between five and twenty million subscribers. And
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: when I first read it around the world, I didn't
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: hear that part.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: I just heard us UK.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: But if you're including around the world, that means you
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: don't have twenty millions describers, like it's labeled out there
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: that you do, and then you start at five what
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: do they have world wide? Then if you're thinking this
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: is gonna get you a five, yeah, I mean, I mean,
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: this is fucking ridiculous.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 5: It's just right.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: None of this is That's what I mean. None of
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: this is working. It's just none of this is working.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: That's funny that, like she said, you had to read
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: it a bunch of times, and it got worse every time.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: It got worse every time.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 5: I mean I was like trying to get excited and
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 5: I read it five times and I'm like wait a second,
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 5: And the sixth time, I'm like, I'm paying two hundred
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 5: and forty nine dollars for nothing.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, talk about downgrading your product.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: We'll have a CE, especially in America, like a B
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: and C that that's not how you want to do
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: it here. You don't tell anybody that's a C level anything,
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: you know. Plus I would I would just never trust
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: them on that, I mean exactly, and why would we
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: you know, Ever since basically like Covid, they've been a
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: not a great company to the fans, not a great company.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: Ever since Covid hit, they've they've actually been pretty bad.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're just paying an extra month to cancel
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: it anyway, which, like I don't I don't know how
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: that's legal or if it is, or they just haven't
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: been challenged yet. But you basically tell you, well, I
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: suppose they told you, didn't they They did tell you, John,
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: they said that you're gonna pay an extra month just
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: to cancel.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: So I guess that is legal because they told you.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: I was hoping.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 5: I'm just hoping Netflix just takes all this over if
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 5: they find some value in boxing. But that's where boxing
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 5: can't shoot themselves in the foot. They got to give
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 5: them good fights. I mean, that's and.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: They got to come together. Yeah, it's gotta gotta blend
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff together. That's why that you know,
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: even PBC in in uh, Jake, Paul or you throw
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: top ranking in that mixed, well then we can then
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: we're talking. But I don't know. All right, it's it's
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: been a little long winded. I appreciate you hanging out.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: We had a lot to talk about any any any
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: last words before you get out of here, sir. That's
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: that's about it, Chris.
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 5: I was thinking about a lot of these things, but
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 5: we pretty much got it all covered. So be interesting
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 5: to see how some of the stuff we talked about
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 5: plays out now.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: And with such a crazy schedule at times, with so
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: much stuff going on. After this week, the Dwarte, Simms
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: Junior and pro Gray and Diaz, you know whatever, that's
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: the c stuff, I guess, Yeah, there's literally a weekend
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: the next week, and ask that there's just nothing, just nothing.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: You're like, what we get here? Why is there nothing?
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 5: I know people say like it just kind of kind
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 5: of like we're about to work. Just things are dropping
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 5: off a cliff.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: Oh and I even saw Mattroom's fall plan and I'm like,
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: I mean the Boots, the opponent in October, Josh Kelly,
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: I mean that's awful. Josh Kelly, you kick my ass. Okay,
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: that's fine, I get it that I'm not saying it
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 1: ain't bad about him, but come.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 5: On, like that's awful. That's the stuff that it's not
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 5: worth your time. It's really not.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: And it's like you just re upped and that's your
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: first fight on the reup, like, yeah, we just had
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: we finally got a good fight out of the deal
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: with Stanonius and then you go, okay, we will go
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: too late if we get into this topic. So all right, John,
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you stopping in.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 5: Man, great talking with you as always.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: All right, have it going you too, alrighty, So yeah,
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: Dowarte Simmons, which, like I said, I'm not trying to
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: rip on that individual fight by any stretch. It actually
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: is very uh.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: Like, it's an interesting fight.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: It's competitive. I'd probably Sarah, I haven't checked in a
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: little bit, but I'd have to say that's the most
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: competitive on paper me double check. I mean it's right there.
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: You have you know, Kenneth Simms Junior plus one twenty
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: four plus one twenty five. The highest I see on
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: UNIBT is plus one thirty, you know on Wednesday, speaking
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: of to Shaa sand of Bal, like, I think that's
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: going to be an entertaining card. Vargas what is he got?
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: Vargus Antonio Vargas what plus two hundred plus two twenty five?
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: You know, I just think it's going to be an
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: entertaining card in general, you know what we'll see. I
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: do think sand of Baal is a is I wouldn't
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: say completely like undervalued here, but I have kind of
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: seen I don't know, I like sand of Bal he's
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: like to right, like he's just gonna get ran over
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And this is this is, this is on
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: his own now. By the way, it is tomorrow. It's
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: just a matter of hours. Really. I think it's like
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: it's in the wee hours of the morning obviously, right,
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I think, uh, I think it's
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: gonna be just a good fight, you know. And obviously
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: Age could play a factor that that might that might
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: play a factor. I think send a ball, you know,
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: he's uh, I think he's a really good fighter. Man.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's you know, I don't know.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be good. And and like I said,
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: if Age comes into this, you know, it could get tough.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: It could get really tough.
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  Speaker 2: But that so we have that we have.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, the card on Saturday is that Saturday.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: I believe that's sad today on the zone and both
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: these cards are on his own now. Clarissa Shield's dinner
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: thing had a really healthy, healthy crowd shouts out to her.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: You know, watching that overtime, I think that was that
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: was on that was on Friday. I believe, right, Elijah
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: Pears and uh Dash manas Marinas on that overtime boxing,
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: I thought, uhsh marinezh Marinez. You know I gave him,
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 1: Let's see, looking at my scorecard, I gave him the
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: first round. Obviously he was fighting off the back foot,
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: you know, he he kind of landed a beautiful that
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: kind of he he landed a beautiful left hand drops
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: pierced right. The second round I thought was pretty close.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: I did think, Uhdash Marinez, Dash Marinez kind I can't
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: remember how to say his name, Marinas, I think it is.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: I thought he had the cleaner work in round two.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: Pierce was starting to bring pressure with the looping shots,
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: the jab and a few clean lands. You know, I
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: think I gave Pierce the third round, or maybe maybe
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: I think I I gave him the fourth round. No,
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: I gave him the third round. That's right, Pierce the
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: third round and then back to Dash Marinez. I thought
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: he closed with some heavy punches and very good defense.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: Pierce started with those wild shots, started to land in
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: round five. I thought the sixth round was a two
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: way round, very close, could have went either way. And
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: then once Pierce and that you were talking about on
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: the broadcast, once Pierce stuck to his jab, that jab
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: left hand, you know, like he did in the seventh,
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: started picking that up. I thought. In the eighth both
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: of them were landing fairly well. The better punches were
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: Pierce ninth round come around, early exchanges, some fun stuff.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: Pierce's landing some really nice hooks to the head, a
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: few nice body shots as well. Pierce landed a big
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: right hand and then another one dropped them, and then
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: dash Marinas got up, but who Pierce landed a right,
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: two right hooks, one to the body under the head,
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: and it was lights the fuck out. It was a
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 1: gorgeous shot. So that was a fun fight. I did
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: enjoy that fight a lot, just because I wanted to.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 1: You know, it looked like Pierce was just trying to
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: knock him out. But once he got on his jab
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: and tried to set up the shots, what do you know.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 1: The Manuel Flores Jorge Chavez. That was Thursday.
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: I believe I thought Chavez won that fight.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 1: It was a draw.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 2: It was a good fight, but I thought he won
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: the fight.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: And then.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: What excuse me, there was.
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: There's another fight I wanted to talk about from last weekend. Oh,
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: Tony Harrison got dropped, but he ended up winning. He
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: said he's gonna get back in the lab and come
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: back another fifty four pounder there. Oh Ryan Gardner twelfth round,
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: uh t ko over.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: Reese belt belt something like that.
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: Ballotti Ballatti, Pilate's that you know that that that was
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: pretty good. I like that Gardner finished it off. I
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: think that about wraps it up for for last weekend.
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 1: Like I said, Regis Prograe and Joseph Di Diaz Junior
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 1: on that undercard. Joshua Edwards is in action as well,
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: but Dwarte and Kenneth you know, kend Of, it's a
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: mid level fight. I'm not gonna sit there and lie
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: to it's a mid level fight. I think they're fighting. Yeah,
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 1: they're fighting in Chicago if I remember correctly. But you know,
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: like it'll be good. I think this week is just good.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: Like you know, I think tomorrow or yeah, tomorrow, this morning,
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: I should say it should be just a card. A
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: lot of times it is from that part of the
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: part of the country. Let's see here, you know, we
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: keep hearing like, uh, we keep hearing Pakiao. Who's next?
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't doubt if it's Roly, But then again, we
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: heard that Rowley and Garcia you know, are potentially, you know,
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: in talks, so you know, maybe Pacio Grabrante. I'm not
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: I really don't know what what you know, if that
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: would happen or not. I believe they're probably going towards that.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: Hopefully Roach does get his rematch though Crocker and Donovan
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: is now official for September thirtieth or No thirteenth. What
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 1: am I saying that's the rematch? I do like that fight.
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 1: You know, time will tell about top rank. You know,
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: these are quotes that we're gonna work with a big
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: streaming service.
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 2: We're currently negotiating a deal. Maybe that's what it.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: Is, and then in over the air network going forward,
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: so we'll have two or three outlets.
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: That's what Bob said. Hopefully that's true.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: As I mentioned, Ennis did sign a new deal with
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: Matt Stroom. But like I said, you know, it's just
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: like I don't know, man, I just don't know. Like,
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: so that's your first I understand going to fifty. You
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 1: don't have to fight the killer at fifty or eight
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: killer at fifty four. But like Josh Kelly though, and
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 1: we hear like two you know, it's it's out there
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 1: about the two tune ups at fifty four. But I'd
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 1: much rather him fight Tellias than Kelly. Like, I don't know, man,
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: that that's that's crazy. Oh.
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 2: I did get a message saying what am I What
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: do I think of Antonio Vargas?
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean honestly, like I'm looking forward to his fight.
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: He had that great fight with Rodriguez. You know, both
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: both guys hit the canvas. Oh.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: By the way, the cousin of Shiraz.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: They call him Shooter.
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: I think he scored a like a.
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 1: I think it was like a third round knockout or whatever.
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: I saw this.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 1: Someone sent me this. Joe Gallagher says, Lawrence and Kohli
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: is the real heavyweight boogeyman. I guess he had a.
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: Bicep injury and that that was the problem.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 1: By the way, speaking to his zone until do until
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 1: the dope forget it's over, I was gonna say, off
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: it ends it ended yesterday, So for some reason I
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 1: thought it ended Wednesday, So I didn't tell you about that.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: That's my bad. I got another message saying Xanderzias said
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: Vendora's team wanted this is from Ezra Raw someone screenshot
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: at him from brunch boxing shots after brunch Boxing that
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: Zayas said Fandora's team wanted a rehidration clause after he
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 1: said no to it.
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 2: But after he said no to it, oh, they announced
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: him zoo. I mean, like Ezra says in this completely.
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: Ridiculous of true. I mean that is that's ridiculous. Oh,
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 1: another ridiculous thing. This is Chava for me span reporting
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 1: Rodriguez Junior won't be bad for failed tests. Like I
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, it was an accident. He accidentally did it, so,
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, come on, dude, like so yeah he is
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 1: so they they they they he accidentally ingested a banned substance.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: Previously reported the use of an over the counter energy
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 1: booster which he was underware included it. But that's what
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 1: you put in your body is what you're you're responsible for. Also,
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 1: Boka Chika, I saw this on brunch boxing as well
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 1: as test the positive for banned substance from October twenty
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: fourth against Quentin Randall. I'm not I'm not saying speaking
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 1: of tomorrow, night or tomorrow morning. I'm not saying sand
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 1: of Bal is going to win, but I don't know.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: There's just something about that fight. He's a legit boxer.
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: He's a legit boxer. I'm seeing more messages, and you know,
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 1: the funny thing is Adam Booth said that basically the
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: Josh Kellys trainer, the Boots shit was like a low
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: ball too, like it wasn't even a good a good.
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 5: Offer.
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 1: The WBC saw this from boxing source. The WBC has
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 1: extended the deadline for Carlos Ottomis to work out a
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 1: deal with Jeanabec. I guess Solomon expects a resolution in
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 1: the coming days. That would be great. I would, you know,
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 1: I'd like that. Clarissa said on Aerials show talking about
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: Leila Ali. I now I know that Win Records has
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 1: the fifteen million and it's in escro basically saying if
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 1: she wants to fight, we got it. And I started
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 1: seeing people say, well, Pakia, I just fought at this,
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: you know, at that age, and it's like yeah, but
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 1: I mean Ali hasn't fought in like, what almost twenty years.
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 1: It's like seventeen or eighteen years. Totally different, completely different
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 1: than you know than what pak Ya just did. I mean,
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 1: it's it's a ridiculous thing to even you know, talk
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 1: about it in that in that light, because.
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: It's like, dude, please stop, like what are we doing here?
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that's about it.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 8: Like I said, a lot of this stuff, we'll we'll
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 8: see what happens, you know, we'll see what happens with
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 8: the with these deals, with these fights.
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 1: Uh you know Amazon Prime, you know, is you know,
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: is this like is that September card really legit? You know,
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, It's it's kind of like we
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 1: got to see it, you know, we got to.
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 2: See it to believe it.
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 1: And so we'll see. We'll see all this all pushes out.
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 1: We've heard ESPN wants to stay in the business. We've
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: heard Netflix, BBC's on Amazon. Can they make that?
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 2: Can they activate that deal even more? We're gonna find.
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 1: Out, you know, like I said, the Charloe Twins back
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 1: would be well, Mal's already been back, but I don't know.
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 2: We'll see. Hopefully it's good stuff.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: But you know, at Rope It Up Radio, we're gonna
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 1: tell you how we feel and we're not gonna sugarcoat it.
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 1: We're not gonna just we can hope, but we're also realistic,
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 1: you know. And like I said, it's like, you know,
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 1: Queensberry and match Room and Golden Boy and you know,
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 1: being all onto Zone. Can they make better fights and
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 1: help the zone out? Maybe even if they make really
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 1: good fights, it's it's tough to say it's gonna do
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 1: ag in the US especially, but the UK as well.
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 1: But yeah, like I said, the PBC Top Rank and
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: Jake Paul, if they combled up and they were under
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: the same uh you know umbrella. You know that now
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 1: we're talking. Especially if the umbrella's Prime or Netflix or whatever,
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 1: you know, that's a different story.
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 2: So we'll see.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 1: Once you say, we'll see enough, I think it's time
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 1: to get out of here. Enjoy the fights this morning
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 1: in about less than twelve hours, Enjoy the Dwarte Simms
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: card on the Zone. Next week, I'm on DAYK, so
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I don't know exactly when I'm gonna fit
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 1: in a show. I may do it a little later
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 1: in the week Thursday, I may do it Sunday night.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't really know exactly. To be honest
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 1: with you, We'll kind of play it by ear. But
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 1: you know, we got some good fights coming up in
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 1: about two weeks. You know, I heard that card, that
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 1: ring card. I heard it was gonna be like twenty dollars,
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 1: twenty five dollars, but I just checked it on the
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 1: zone and it's fifty dollars here. So maybe you need
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 1: a code and you can. You know, they'll they'll take
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: something off it. I don't know. Anyway, I'm gonna get
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 1: out of here, enjoy the week. You're back next week
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 1: sometime