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Sen. Rand Paul on with Brian Thomas this morning · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Tod KRS the talk station seven thirty fifty five krc
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  Speaker 1: DE Talk station. Havey Friday. Even Brian Thomas here, welcoming back.
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  Speaker 1: I've got some favorites in elected office in DC. One
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  Speaker 1: of them Congress from Thomas mass You can get the
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  Speaker 1: podcast in my conversation with Thomas Massey from yesterday at
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  Speaker 1: my podcast page fifty five cars dot com. And yes,
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  Speaker 1: my next guest, Senator Ran Paul. Thank you to the
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  Speaker 1: residents of the Commonwealth Kentucky for both of those men.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back, Senator Paul. It's a pleasure to having you
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  Speaker 1: on the show today.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Brian, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Another bite at the apple. Another resolution shot down. Senate
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  Speaker 1: said fifty four to forty five no, rejecting the proposal
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  Speaker 1: to continuing resolution funding levels at Biden era level, which
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  Speaker 1: passed in the House. You were one. I think you
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  Speaker 1: were the only the lone Republican to vote against yesterday's measure.
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  Speaker 1: My listeners are aware that this is all revolving around
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  Speaker 1: the Democrats desire to continue COVID era tax credits, which
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  Speaker 1: COVID's over This comes at a very expensive cost of
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  Speaker 1: the American taxpayer and also allows illegal immigrants to get
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  Speaker 1: hooked up to Obamacare. Now, with that in mind, explain
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  Speaker 1: to my listeners your rationale for saying no yesterday and previously.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm against the Obamacare of subsidies. I've voted
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  Speaker 2: against every addition to Obamacare since the very beginning, and
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  Speaker 2: we'll continue to oppose that. What we had before us, though,
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  Speaker 2: is two different spending proposals. One is a Democrat proposal.
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  Speaker 2: It has the Obamacare subsidies in it, and it also
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  Speaker 2: has about a trillion dollars more in spending for a
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  Speaker 2: three trillion dollar deficit. So I'm imposed to that package
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: The Republican alternative, though, isn't a lot better. The Republican
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  Speaker 2: alternative continues the Biden spending levels from last December, and
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  Speaker 2: it will lead to about a two trillion dollar deficit.
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  Speaker 2: So basically, the Republicans we have a two trillion in
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  Speaker 2: deficit to Democrats three. And I'm not for either of those.
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  Speaker 2: But I've put forward an alternative. My alternative is called
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  Speaker 2: the Penny Plan, and they voted on it about two
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago, and we had thirty six Republicans, which is
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  Speaker 2: the most we've ever had before. Thirty six Republicans supported
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  Speaker 2: the Penny Plan, which balances the budget within five years
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  Speaker 2: dramatically reduces the deficit in the first year, and we
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  Speaker 2: lost sixteen big government Republicans you can probably guess who
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  Speaker 2: they are, and then we lost all the Democrats. So
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  Speaker 2: there aren't the numbers yet to do the right thing.
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  Speaker 2: But there still has to be somebody up here who
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  Speaker 2: is trying to do the right thing and votes against deficits,
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  Speaker 2: whether they're Republican or Democrat.
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  Speaker 1: How do you see this playing out? Because Wall Street
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  Speaker 1: Journal reported that some Republicans are saying, Eh, you might
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  Speaker 1: want to watch what you're doing, Donald Trump, because you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about laying off chunks of employees permanently and closing
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  Speaker 1: certain offices of the government through the OMB reduction thing
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  Speaker 1: that he's mentioned before. I guess I'm wondering what's your
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  Speaker 1: take on that. Do you see Republicans capitulating it all?
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  Speaker 1: I know there's one proposal out there that you would
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  Speaker 1: never vote for, which extends these supplements for one year,
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  Speaker 1: kicking the can down the road. But what of moving
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  Speaker 1: forward with this quote unquote pain Donald Trump is planning
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  Speaker 1: on afflicting via the OMB and the layoffs and firings.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, when you look at this and you look
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  Speaker 3: at the logic of how people are voting on this,
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  Speaker 3: get every Democrat vote in December of last year for
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  Speaker 3: these same spending levels, that's when they first became known
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  Speaker 3: as the Biden spending levels.
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  Speaker 2: Every Democrat supported them. This is the exact same bill.
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  Speaker 2: This is no different than what they voted for, absolutely
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  Speaker 2: no difference. I think really the pain is going to
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  Speaker 2: be on Democrats to explain why they were for these
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  Speaker 2: spending levels before they were against these spending levels, and
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  Speaker 2: so I think Republicans should stay the course. I do
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  Speaker 2: think eventually the Republicans will capitulate, not me, but the
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  Speaker 2: rest of them will probably capitulate and give them the
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  Speaker 2: Obamacare subsidies. People have to realize though, also these are
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  Speaker 2: not the original subsidies from when Obamacare passed. These were
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  Speaker 2: add on subsidies for richer people. So basically a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people who don't live in poverty are now get
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  Speaker 2: having Obamacare subsidies, significant subsidies only since twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 2: The reason they're expiring now is not because Republicans are
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  Speaker 2: making them expire. The Democrats designed them to expire because
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  Speaker 2: of the way the rules are written, the Democrats were
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  Speaker 2: spending so much money they had to eventually let these
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  Speaker 2: things expire. But now they're playing a game basically trying
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  Speaker 2: to blame it on Republicans, when in fact, the Democrats
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  Speaker 2: actually wrote the rules such that these subjeties would expire.
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  Speaker 1: Now, it's such a clear concept, you know, the idea
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  Speaker 1: that the concern about Donald Trump maybe moving forward with
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  Speaker 1: omb reductions is going to provide the Democrats with an
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  Speaker 1: argument that, Aha, this is why the government shut down
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  Speaker 1: because Donald Trump merely wanted to use it as an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to reduce the size and scope of government. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's kind of laughable. They're going to argue about
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  Speaker 1: who wins the declaration of who's responsible for the government shutdown,
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  Speaker 1: something that really doesn't impact most Americans. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of childish to even focus on that one issue,
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  Speaker 1: the winner law.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Democrats have trouble overcoming the fact
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  Speaker 2: that they've already voted for these spending levels and now
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  Speaker 2: they're going to vote against the same spending levels. Essentially,
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  Speaker 2: they've moved the goalpost, so these Obamacare subsidies are not
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  Speaker 2: part of the annual spending proposals. They're separate, so they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to drag something in that's expiring. That's expiring because
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  Speaker 2: they wrote the legislation to expire, and they're trying to
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  Speaker 2: drag that into the spending debate. But the spending debate
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  Speaker 2: is pretty clear cut. These are the Biden spending levels,
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  Speaker 2: and the Democrats have all voted for them. The rumor
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  Speaker 2: is that the Democrats are worried to death about their
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  Speaker 2: their left flank. They're worried about the socialist flank and
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  Speaker 2: the party and the Socialists are are hot and heavy,
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  Speaker 2: you know, for some of these incumbitents. So like there's
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  Speaker 2: rumors that AOC wants to run against Chuck Schumer. Chuck
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  Speaker 2: Schumer is afraid of his own shadow now and that
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  Speaker 2: he will basically do whatever it takes to show them
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  Speaker 2: how strong he is. And a lot of people think
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  Speaker 2: that there's a big rally with the Socialists on the
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  Speaker 2: mall this we can yeah, and they think the Democrats
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  Speaker 2: have to get through that rally show the people all
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  Speaker 2: they stood up to Republicans. Then they'll have to sort
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  Speaker 2: of put forward something saying, oh, Republicans have agreed to
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  Speaker 2: negotiate on these Obamacare subsidies, and I think the Republicans
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  Speaker 2: are going to negotiate with them. I think they'll declare victory.
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  Speaker 2: And then the Democrats saw allow the government to open
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  Speaker 2: back up.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough and pivoting over to you perhaps being spied on.
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  Speaker 1: You weren't among the senators who identified that. Jack Smith
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  Speaker 1: launched an inquiry a couple three years after the January
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  Speaker 1: first drunken fraternity parties. I like to refer to it,
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  Speaker 1: but in twenty twenty three, he subpoened phone records from
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  Speaker 1: eight senators and one House member with no reason to
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  Speaker 1: believe any of them were involved in criminal activity. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is a profound civil rights violation from my perspective.
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  Speaker 1: What's your reaction to this happening, Senator Paul?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think there's going to be repercussions in
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  Speaker 2: the court system against his doing this. So there's a
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  Speaker 2: famous couple. Famous case is Riley versus California and Carpenter
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  Speaker 2: versus the US. The Supreme Court decided and in these
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  Speaker 2: cases they decided that certain of your records deserve for
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  Speaker 2: the Amendment protections. So subpoenas have a lower standard. You
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  Speaker 2: can get a subpoena of people's banking records and phone
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  Speaker 2: records without saying probable cause. What the Supreme Court said
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  Speaker 2: was that some of your records are so private that
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  Speaker 2: you should have for the Amendment protections. And among those
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  Speaker 2: records that are private or your geolocation. So if I
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  Speaker 2: call the phone company and I want to where's Brian
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  Speaker 2: Thomas every moment of the last week, I can tell
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  Speaker 2: a lot about your life that's really none of my
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  Speaker 2: business or none of the government's business. And I shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be allowed to do that unless I say, you're committing
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  Speaker 2: a crime, and that's why we know. We present evidence
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  Speaker 2: that you're committing a crime. And so I think that
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  Speaker 2: he did this illegally. I think he did it through
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  Speaker 2: a grand jeury subpoena. But the Carpenter case, Supreme Court
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  Speaker 2: Justice Roberts actually wrote that the subpoenas will still be
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  Speaker 2: able to get records, but there will be certain records
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  Speaker 2: that have privacy interests where they'll have to have probable
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  Speaker 2: calls and a Fourth Amendment warrant to do it. And
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  Speaker 2: so I think that absolutely he did something that the
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  Speaker 2: court's going to rule against. And I think these representatives
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  Speaker 2: actually standing against the phone company because the phone company. Basically, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: the phone company doesn't do a very good job of
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  Speaker 2: defending your liberty for your records they wanting, They just
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  Speaker 2: give them to the government. In fact, the government can
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  Speaker 2: wink at the phone company and they'll give you all
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  Speaker 2: your records. I mean, it's just disgusting. So I hope
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  Speaker 2: they do sue of their phone companies. I love business.
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  Speaker 2: I love successful business. I don't like a business it's
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  Speaker 2: turning over my private records to the government without a fight.
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  Speaker 1: No, and they can fight. I mean, they've got lawyers
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  Speaker 1: in their massive companies and legal teams that could say, no,
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  Speaker 1: we can't give you this because of the aforementioned case,
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  Speaker 1: and we're not going to do it because we used
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  Speaker 1: to have the battles when I was in house over
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  Speaker 1: at Anthe and Blue Cross and Blue Shield all the
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  Speaker 1: time he gets a penis. So you have an obligation,
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  Speaker 1: I think, to perfect protect the interests of those individuals
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  Speaker 1: who are working with your company in this case to
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  Speaker 1: get phone service. Senator Rampaul in the remaining moments of
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  Speaker 1: our time together, and I sure appreciate our time together.
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  Speaker 1: Your reaction to the phase one of the Gaza deal.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like Amasa has agreed to release the prisoners,
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  Speaker 1: Israel has agreed to pull back its forces. It looks
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  Speaker 1: like we might have some cease fire unfolding here. Devil's
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  Speaker 1: in the details that need to be ironed out. But
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  Speaker 1: I viewed this as a really positive step. Your reaction.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And if it's true and the hostages are free
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  Speaker 2: in the next few days or a few hours, I
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  Speaker 2: think everybody will rejoice. If the killing can be discontinued
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  Speaker 2: in Gaza, people will rejoice. And I think this is
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  Speaker 2: something that Donald Trump deserves. If it's successful, it deserves
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  Speaker 2: a lot of credit for because the one thing you
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  Speaker 2: can't discount about Donald Trump iss this force of presence,
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  Speaker 2: This this ability to be you know this sometimes at
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  Speaker 2: bully and a child a shop, but sometimes one that
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  Speaker 2: will stand up even into our allies like Israel and
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  Speaker 2: say it's time.
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  Speaker 3: To make a deal.
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  Speaker 2: And I think he has gotten his room to make
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  Speaker 2: a deal, Whereas I think that Yahoo Uh struggles to
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  Speaker 2: make a deal because he struggles against criticism at home
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  Speaker 2: for being too soft, which I can't imagine how they
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  Speaker 2: could describe him as to solve. But the thing is
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  Speaker 2: is I think Trump inserting himself in this I think
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  Speaker 2: has hopefully pushed it on. And you got to wonder, why,
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  Speaker 2: Howmas wouldn't you settle? I mean, they've been decimated, most
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  Speaker 2: of the leaders have been killed. Probably three fourths of
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  Speaker 2: their soldiers or not soldiers, terrists have been killed. And
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  Speaker 2: my goodness is they could give up the hostages. You know, they're,
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  Speaker 2: like I say, will rejoice and hopefully they will work
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  Speaker 2: and end well.
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  Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be a wonderful thing? And wow, all in
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  Speaker 1: Trump's first term, so much progress.
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  Speaker 2: In his first year.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing, it really is. This has been a whirlwind
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  Speaker 1: of activity. I've never seen the one which in my
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  Speaker 1: entire life. Senator Rampaul, thank you again for your time today.
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  Speaker 1: Keep up the great work and I'll look forward to
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  Speaker 1: having you back on the show real soon. Thanks bron
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