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Riley Greene, Justin Verlander and more thoughts from spring training · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into an episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Kieren Steckley
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Speaker 1: with me as always a man who spent his Valentine's
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Speaker 1: Day just talking ball. He is Cody Stavenaggan.
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Speaker 2: How you doing doing all right? You were not wrong.
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Speaker 2: We did celibrate in early Valentine's Day back home, but
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Speaker 2: down here in Lakeland, most of the focus is on ball.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, I mean, and it's a perfectly timed because
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Speaker 1: we are just a couple hours remove Cody from the
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Speaker 1: first full squad workout of the twenty four of the
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six Detroit Tigers. I should say, and we got,
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Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of storylines. We have a little
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Speaker 1: game we're gonna play later. But this is your first
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Speaker 1: this is literally your first look at the new squad.
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Speaker 1: So like, what, how are things down? The second five check?
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Speaker 1: How are things down? In late when now that everyone
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Speaker 1: is present and accounted for, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, things are good. Like I said, it's still early.
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Speaker 2: It's pretty good at all thirty camps right now, but
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Speaker 2: Tiger Town's got to be near the top in terms
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Speaker 2: of vibes. I chatted with Matt Vierling a little bit
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Speaker 2: today and he said, you got a lot to cover,
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Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, I do. It's nice. There
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Speaker 2: were some years around here there wasn't a ton to cover,
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Speaker 2: and Veeling himself kind of admitted, like it's different like
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Speaker 2: walking in the room knowing they signed from Er, knowing
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Speaker 2: they signed Schoogle, knowing they're coming off the playoff appearances,
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Speaker 2: knowing you know, winning is a real tangible thing. The
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Speaker 2: idea of winning the World Series isn't just something you
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Speaker 2: throw out there is like every team's goal. It's that's
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Speaker 2: kind of I think where the bar is. That's kind
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Speaker 2: of what the standard is right now, not just from
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Speaker 2: the outside but for the players in there themselves. It's
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Speaker 2: been a series vibe, but it's been a really positive vibe,
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Speaker 2: more so, I think than any spring training I've been
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Speaker 2: a part of so so far.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, there's there's so much momentum, and
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Speaker 1: we've obviously talked about it with the schoolbal arbitration, and
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Speaker 1: then you know Fromberg and I'm obviously going in direct
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Speaker 1: order h and then Justin Verlander, So Justin Verlander is
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Speaker 1: you know, the presence was felt immediately from the outside,
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Speaker 1: and we talked about you know, seeing him there, you know,
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Speaker 1: up close and personal, you know last week, Cody, but
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Speaker 1: since we last talked, if you had a chance to,
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Speaker 1: you know, have his day in the sun, if you
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Speaker 1: would with with his press conference, with his signing and
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Speaker 1: and just kind of hear more from Justin about what
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Speaker 1: went into all of this, and you know, to reference
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Speaker 1: what you just referenced there with Matt Vierling. Justin came
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Speaker 1: here with serious intentions. I think that like that that
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Speaker 1: seemed pretty clear. What were your kind of takes on
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Speaker 1: on Verlander and and and his and like his process
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Speaker 1: and reason for being in Detroit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like I'm sure we had mentioned some of this,
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Speaker 2: but it was it's very interesting to hear Justin Berdlander's
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Speaker 2: press conference, right, and to hear him say at the
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Speaker 2: end of last season, he was sitting there and kind
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Speaker 2: of thinking what's next and realizing I wanted to play
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Speaker 2: somewhere that would resonate, that would have meaning. So that
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Speaker 2: narrowed it down pretty quickly to two places, Houston and Detroit.
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Speaker 2: As I'm sure if you're listening to this, you probably
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Speaker 2: saw he reached out to the Tigers A J. Hinch,
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Speaker 2: Scott Harris, Chrisillich pretty early to express his interest, and
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Speaker 2: it sounds like the initial message was like, hey, thanks,
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Speaker 2: but it's kind of crowded over here, right obviously that
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Speaker 2: change has the off season reached its end, particularly once
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Speaker 2: Reese Olsen had surgery. But in you know, to hear
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Speaker 2: it from Scott Harris, it's not strictly a nostalgia's ward.
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Speaker 2: JV can still pitch and JV's here to win. Talking about,
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Speaker 2: you know, his prior stint with the Tigers, he said
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Speaker 2: he doesn't really like view it as unfinished business, the
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Speaker 2: fact that they didn't want to win a World Series
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Speaker 2: because they had good because they were right there. Verlander
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Speaker 2: has been through it, he knows, you know. He said,
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Speaker 2: sometimes it just takes a good a good role, a
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Speaker 2: good balance, and that can change history. So he'd say
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Speaker 2: he doesn't view it as unfinished business, but yet that's
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Speaker 2: obviously still something he would love to accomplish as a Tiger.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and the comments, uh, you know, the
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Speaker 1: reaction I should say to to JV saying like, hey,
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Speaker 1: he expressed interest in coming to Detroit right away. I
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Speaker 1: think the Tigers were getting like like a little bit
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Speaker 1: too much fleck for that, like, oh why not just
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Speaker 1: gotta bring him in like period or whatever. Whereas like
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Speaker 1: there's a stewardship element when someone like Justin Verlander like
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Speaker 1: wants to be a part of your organization that you
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Speaker 1: don't just like you have to give him the right
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Speaker 1: opportunity because he's Justin Verlander. He's earned that. Specifically with
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Speaker 1: the Tigers, he certainly earned that. And you know, the
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Speaker 1: same thing would would be the case in Houston.
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Speaker 2: And.
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Speaker 1: Timing is undefeated. Things typically time out as as they're
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Speaker 1: supposed to, and he had his opportunities to go elsewhere,
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Speaker 1: he didn't. And then the you know, unfortunately came at
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Speaker 1: the expense of a resoulson, but they opted to you know,
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Speaker 1: they opted to go in that direction after Reese's injury.
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Speaker 1: Became a parent and so I just think everybody did
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Speaker 1: right by each other. I guess would be like my
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Speaker 1: point there, and again it works out really well. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what a presence to have him around. And like we
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Speaker 1: had talked in the off season about if he came in,
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Speaker 1: like how is he gonna suck the oxygen out of
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Speaker 1: the room? And I had said, I don't think so
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Speaker 1: many more school buls at a spot where I don't
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Speaker 1: think anyone can suck the oxygen out of a room
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Speaker 1: with Terror Schooble in it. That's just kind of my
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Speaker 1: personal opinion. And but but there is an element to
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Speaker 1: guys like Casey Mayes, who coming off his first All
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Speaker 1: Star appearents going into a contract year, just like Terrek
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Speaker 1: Schoogle and Jack Clarity, a man who two times has
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Speaker 1: kind of signed on to be the number two starter,
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Speaker 1: you know, metaphorically of this of the staff and with
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Speaker 1: the Frombers signing and then the presence of Verlander, regardless
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Speaker 1: of order, they're just kind of like slid down the
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Speaker 1: a couple of spots in terms of like attention and
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Speaker 1: all that stuff. So I did want to kind of
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Speaker 1: give give them some attention in the sense of this
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Speaker 1: is still very keyly a part of what the Tigers
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Speaker 1: are going to do, figuring out getting the best versions
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Speaker 1: of Flarity, getting the best versions of Myze. And then
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Speaker 1: these guys also have to have in addition to that,
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Speaker 1: you know, to impending free agents, they also have to
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Speaker 1: have the right attitude about what is happening around them,
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Speaker 1: as two guys have kind of of bigger statures. You know,
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Speaker 1: maybe different points of career, but bigger statures have signed
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Speaker 1: on to this team. So how are they handling it?
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Speaker 1: And what have you kind of like observed from from
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Speaker 1: talking with Casey and Jack.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think they're excited to be part
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Speaker 2: of this rotation that happens to have some other great pitchers.
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Speaker 2: I don't send any jealousy or anything like that. I think, Look,
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Speaker 2: I don't want to act like those sort of human
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Speaker 2: emotions can't exist. But I think if you're serious about winning,
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Speaker 2: which of those guys from everything I've ever seen are,
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Speaker 2: then you're happy to add other great players to your team.
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Speaker 2: I think the bigger conversation, and I wrote about this
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Speaker 2: in The Athletic, is we're gonna obsess over Schooble and
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Speaker 2: Fromber and JV, but Jack Flarerty In Casey Mayes might
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Speaker 2: be the guy who determines how far this team really goes.
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Speaker 2: Like School is going to be a beast as long
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Speaker 2: as he's healthy. Fromber has been nothing but consistent. JV,
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Speaker 2: for all the attention he's gonna get, is kind of
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Speaker 2: probably like the fifth starter on this team. Flerty and
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Speaker 2: Mis are two guys who can and have pitched at
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Speaker 2: All star levels in their career. There are also two
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Speaker 2: pitchers who have dealt with varying degrees of inconsistency. Jack
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Speaker 2: Flaherty was wildly inconsistent last year. We all know it,
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Speaker 2: we all watched it. But interesting to hear Jack kind
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Speaker 2: of asked him like, hey, what was the takeaway? And
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Speaker 2: he said, you know, there was probably a lot more
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Speaker 2: good than I gave myself credit for. There was a
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Speaker 2: lot more good than maybe a lot of people gave
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Speaker 2: me credit for. And he's right. There were some frustrating
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Speaker 2: nights last season, but Jack Flaherty's FIP after the All
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Speaker 2: Star break was I think seventh in the league. It
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Speaker 2: was better than Trek Scooble's. He was snake bit at times,
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Speaker 2: he got some bad luck. There certainly things he can
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Speaker 2: do better, but he still misses a lot of bats,
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Speaker 2: still punches guys out. Jack Flerity can be even a
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Speaker 2: little bit closer to the twenty twenty four version of
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Speaker 2: Jack Flerty. What a boon that could be for this
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Speaker 2: rotation and a similar story for Casey Mayes. Last year
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Speaker 2: was the best year of his career, but his first
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Speaker 2: half was a lot better than his second half, Some
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Speaker 2: of the underlying numbers indicated he was overperforming in that
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Speaker 2: first half and it really caught up to him there
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Speaker 2: in the second half. Still having consistency, find in all
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Speaker 2: his shapes, having the splitter that will be hugely important
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Speaker 2: for him. But talking to Casey, I think one of
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Speaker 2: the big takeaways maybe the first time ever he didn't
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Speaker 2: have some huge overhaul or some dramatic thing to work
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Speaker 2: through in the offseason. He was healthy and he wasn't
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Speaker 2: adding a pitch, he wasn't subtracting a pitch. He was
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Speaker 2: just able to focus on smaller refinements. So we'll see
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Speaker 2: what that means. We'll see if these two guys can
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Speaker 2: stay durable and healthy, but if they can be closer
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Speaker 2: to the all star versions of themselves, that may be
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Speaker 2: just as important as what you know, some of the
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Speaker 2: higher quote unquote, higher profile pitchers are doing. And it's
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Speaker 2: funny call these other guys higher profile because Jack flaherty
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Speaker 2: has been won a World Series and been a key
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Speaker 2: trade tard. Again in Casey Meies was a number one
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Speaker 2: draft pick. But now they do seem kind of like
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Speaker 2: the overshadowed guys in this rotation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see how they look
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Speaker 1: throughout the spread and then how they look in the season.
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Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about how they might look,
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Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, You're probably not going to
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Speaker 1: need your glasses when the Tigers roll out their new
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Speaker 1: uniform this year, because you're gonna see them right and
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Speaker 1: and vibrant. And that is the leaked and somewhat confirmed
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Speaker 1: now alternate jerseys at the Tigers had. We have them
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Speaker 1: up here on our screen if you're watching on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: We got orange and we got black or navy it is.
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Speaker 2: I cannot confirm. I'd probably get some people in trouble
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Speaker 2: if I confirm these jerseys. I will also not deny
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Speaker 2: these jerseys. And what is black will be a very
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Speaker 2: very dark navy.
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Speaker 1: All right, So there you go, Tiger Territory Exclusive. My
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Speaker 1: initial thoughts on this though, it's actually kind of funny,
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Speaker 1: Like I remember when the MLB the show trailer came
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Speaker 1: out and Schoogl was in it and he was wearing
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Speaker 1: like an orange jersey. And then there was kind of
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Speaker 1: like a negative reaction to the Tigers like wearing an
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Speaker 1: orange jersey at that time, and then when this leaked,
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Speaker 1: it was more of a positive one. So I don't
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Speaker 1: know if it's just video game versus still image impressions
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Speaker 1: or whatever. But anyway, I'm the wrong audience for this
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Speaker 1: codey because being an Oklahoma State graduate, I like to
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Speaker 1: wear orange and I like to get like the Tigers,
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Speaker 1: like orange spring training hats and like, so I am
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Speaker 1: excited at the prospect of having like an like more
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Speaker 1: orange Tigers gear because then I can use it in
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Speaker 1: you know, different situations. So again, kind of the wrong
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Speaker 1: audience for this, but I do like him and and
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Speaker 1: and of course this is right up our friend Roger's alley,
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Speaker 1: you know, kind of explaining the history of this stuff
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Speaker 1: and like what they're paying homage to, and you can,
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Speaker 1: guys can go follow him on social media for a
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Speaker 1: full explanation. I don't want to plagiarize his work, but
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Speaker 1: I like the idea behind him. I think I think
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Speaker 1: they still, you know, on our tradition, a little bit
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Speaker 1: of different look and I think like a real orange
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Speaker 1: out at k America Sporting, These think it will look good,
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Speaker 1: So that's my take.
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Speaker 2: Finally found a way to sell some more orange gear.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: I like the orange jersey, and that is part of
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Speaker 2: the Tigler's Tiger's color scheme. I'm fine with them having
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Speaker 2: a jersey. There will be people who never want the
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Speaker 2: Tigers to wear anything outside of their more traditional uniforms.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, it's twenty twenty six. This looks nice,
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Speaker 2: it looks classy. I think it's fine, and it does
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Speaker 2: honor some of Tiger's history. I'm not sure if they
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Speaker 2: need the navy one like. It looks nice. The script
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Speaker 2: Detroit looks nice? Is it? You know? Did you have
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Speaker 2: to have the two? You know? Is this? I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I'm on the fence about that one. I don't hate it,
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Speaker 2: but I'm I'm on the fence.
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Speaker 1: I would kind of agree with that. I'd like to
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Speaker 1: see that, like Warren before, I kind of and even
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Speaker 1: just like as a part of the full uniform what
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Speaker 1: they ended up doing, uh uh before kind of making
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Speaker 1: an opinion on that. But look, I there's obviously a
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Speaker 1: marketing element to this, and that's fine. But I do
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Speaker 1: like the you know the balance of something new and
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Speaker 1: then hat pay homage or something that that that that
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Speaker 1: you do that with anything, you're gonna you're probably gonna
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Speaker 1: win me over. Like that's just a p s A
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Speaker 1: to any marketing people out there if you're specifically interested
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Speaker 1: in what Kieren Steckley like. So, uh, let's let's let's
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Speaker 1: let's move on to a quick little note Cody. Uh,
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Speaker 1: It's it's somewhat of a moot point. But like when
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Speaker 1: Nick Castianos was, you know, former Tiger was was let
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Speaker 1: go from from Philadelphia. He has since signed with with
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Speaker 1: the San Diego Padres, but you know, that was kind
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Speaker 1: of flowing out there is there any element to uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, any any validity in the idea of bringing
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Speaker 1: in for you know what would probably be next to nothing,
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Speaker 1: and you know, is there like a could there even
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Speaker 1: be a role for him? My impression on that is
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Speaker 1: it just wouldn't there would be. It would be a
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Speaker 1: very out of character acquisition for this Tigers regime to
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Speaker 1: bring in somebody who's a little aging, doesn't bring defensive value,
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Speaker 1: and has reverse splits as a right handed hitter. So
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Speaker 1: that I never really thought it was seriously discussed. So
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you have anything to counter that,
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Speaker 1: but I just from Afar. I never really thought got
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Speaker 1: that impression.
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Speaker 2: H No one's told me this, But I don't think
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Speaker 2: you have to be a genius to ascertain that the
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Speaker 2: Tigers probably had little to zero interest in Nick Castianos.
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Speaker 2: Look that there's a guy who's drafted by the Tigers
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Speaker 2: who did some good things here. But the reality is,
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Speaker 2: over the past four seasons, Nick Castianos has been worth
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Speaker 2: a grand total of one point three war within one
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Speaker 2: base percentage of three zero six. Happens to be one
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Speaker 2: of the worst defensive outfielders in the sport at this
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Speaker 2: point in their life cycle, and the team trying to compete.
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Speaker 2: That doesn't seem to me like a fit at all.
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Speaker 2: In any world where he would be brought here, he
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Speaker 2: would be a part time player. Given what we know
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Speaker 2: about Nick, I'm not sure that that would be the
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Speaker 2: best situation. Now. In my little time covering Nick Castianos,
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Speaker 2: which was half a season, I loved the dude and
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Speaker 2: appreciated his candor, even his crankiness. Like I realized once
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Speaker 2: you broke through that, like he could be one of
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Speaker 2: the more thoughtful players I've ever talked to. But you know,
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Speaker 2: the athletic story that dropped about him and his divorce
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Speaker 2: with the Phillies. I kind of laughed. I went back
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Speaker 2: and wrote read what I wrote at the twenty nineteen
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Speaker 2: trade deadline. It's basically the same story minus the beer.
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Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't quite as good of a story
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Speaker 2: as as Matt Gelb's story, but a lot of similar
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Speaker 2: themes were at play, So there's a pattern. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I wish Nick the best in San Diego, and I
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Speaker 2: hope he remains the candid, thoughtful guy that he is,
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Speaker 2: but at this point on the field, I just don't
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Speaker 2: think he makes any sense for the Tigers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that. I think that is the
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Speaker 1: right way to look at it. All right, let's let's
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Speaker 1: let's transition here to another another key piece of what's
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Speaker 1: going to determine this Tigers season. And we're going to
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Speaker 1: talk about several players now and through the lens of pressure,
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Speaker 1: and it's like pressure on them, and then also it's
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Speaker 1: like pressure on what they mean, what they could be,
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Speaker 1: what they're relied on for the team. So, uh, let's
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Speaker 1: start with Let's start with Riley Green because it's actually
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Speaker 1: kind of a hard one. Riley Green is obviously not
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Speaker 1: a made man in Major League Baseball. He's still a
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Speaker 1: very young player, but he is also a very good player.
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Speaker 1: Was some accolades behind his day that are obviously nothing
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Speaker 1: to sniff at. Two All Stars, including a start. He
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Speaker 1: has a silver Slugger, like like you know, thirty whatever
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Speaker 1: home runs last season. But there's the strikeouts, there's the health,
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Speaker 1: there's some metrics that aren't necessarily trending in the right direction.
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Speaker 1: This team needs a fully functional, geared up Riley Green
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Speaker 1: bat and quite frankly his defense and left field in
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Speaker 1: order to be the best versions of themselves of itself,
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Speaker 1: I should say. But at the same time, it's like
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Speaker 1: you can't like say there's a lot of pressure on
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Speaker 1: Riley Green because like like he's he has earned some
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Speaker 1: key if that makes sense.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to be sure I'm clear here, Like
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Speaker 2: I think Riley Green is a really good player, and
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Speaker 2: I think I've been one of Riley Green's biggest proponents
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Speaker 2: from a talent and nobility perspective, from the day he
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Speaker 2: was drafted. I had teased for a while, like I
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Speaker 2: thought Riley outside maybe Terrek Skubele and now the new
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Speaker 2: signings would be the most interesting kind of day one
19:05
Speaker 2: spring training interview, Like what is he going to say?
19:08
Speaker 2: What did he learn from last year? How would he
19:10
Speaker 2: address the very notable declines in his speed and his
19:15
Speaker 2: defense last season? And so I was a little bit
19:22
Speaker 2: disappointed and that there wasn't much of a tone shift
19:25
Speaker 2: from Riley. Maybe that just speaks to the beauty of
19:27
Speaker 2: Riley Green, because he's pretty much the same man. He
19:30
Speaker 2: has a pretty upby vibe, and he's pretty you know,
19:33
Speaker 2: he's he is competitive, like he's his own toughest critic,
19:36
Speaker 2: and he hates being in a slump. I know that,
19:39
Speaker 2: But he generally, like is a pretty chill dude, right.
19:45
Speaker 2: I mean, he can get amped up, he can get competitive,
19:47
Speaker 2: but like you know, I think he's able to let
19:49
Speaker 2: things roll off his back for the most part. So
19:52
Speaker 2: maybe maybe this is the good thing. But in terms
19:55
Speaker 2: of like his swing, there's gonna be no major mechanical ajustments.
20:00
Speaker 2: He said a few tweaks, which maybe is fine. I
20:04
Speaker 2: you know, if they did a dive and determined having
20:07
Speaker 2: the steepest swing in baseball is the right course for
20:10
Speaker 2: Riley Green, then it means he's gonna keep hitting thirty
20:13
Speaker 2: six homers or can hit even more homers. That's good,
20:16
Speaker 2: But there was no real explanation. He did talk a
20:19
Speaker 2: lot about his approach, and we can kind of pull
20:23
Speaker 2: up that quote, you know, he said the big thing
20:25
Speaker 2: was working on just the mental side of things. If
20:27
Speaker 2: you have two strikes with the runner on second, maybe
20:30
Speaker 2: try not to hit a homer five thousand feet, taking
20:33
Speaker 2: a step back, letting the game slow down, and recognizing
20:36
Speaker 2: the situations. Obviously there's points where you can take your shot,
20:40
Speaker 2: and there's points to maybe choke up, do some work
20:42
Speaker 2: in the box. From a baseball perspective, that's probably what
20:46
Speaker 2: Riley talked about the most. Maybe playing the game a
20:49
Speaker 2: little born and that could certainly be a wise strategy.
20:55
Speaker 2: But I'm interested, like, is that enough to get him
20:58
Speaker 2: to be this well round did player that he can
21:01
Speaker 2: be this guy who's an MVP candidate type player. I
21:06
Speaker 2: don't know. I think it's also easier said than done.
21:08
Speaker 2: You can tell yourself that in the offseason. But when
21:11
Speaker 2: you get in the box against a fierce pitcher and
21:13
Speaker 2: there's a runner in scoring position, are you gonna also
21:17
Speaker 2: is choking up? Like very few hitters actually still choke
21:20
Speaker 2: up even with two strikes, So I don't know. There
21:24
Speaker 2: wasn't a lot of explanation there, and then talking to
21:28
Speaker 2: him about the speed and the defense, I thought was odd.
21:31
Speaker 2: That's maybe just how I view it through my lens.
21:34
Speaker 2: But I asked him basically, what you make of the
21:38
Speaker 2: decline and your speed metrics. He talked a lot about
21:40
Speaker 2: staying healthy, which he did last year, to his credit,
21:42
Speaker 2: and I know he's worked really hard on that. But
21:45
Speaker 2: I asked, like, was that at all related to trying
21:48
Speaker 2: to be healthy, like maybe were You're just trying to
21:50
Speaker 2: put less wear on your body, is what I meant
21:53
Speaker 2: by asking that question. And Riley seemed to think, you know,
21:57
Speaker 2: I was talking about stolen bases. Leave Jason Beck has
22:01
Speaker 2: to follow up, and he again kind of thought we
22:04
Speaker 2: were talking about stolen bases. And someone was like, no, literally,
22:09
Speaker 2: your speed like you have gotten slower. Your sprint speed
22:12
Speaker 2: has declined. I think two years ago he was in
22:14
Speaker 2: like the seventy first percent isle among MLB players. That's
22:17
Speaker 2: fallen into the thirtieth percent isle and he's only twenty five.
22:22
Speaker 2: And Riley seemed I viewed it as unaware, you know,
22:27
Speaker 2: he said he didn't know, he didn't know that maybe
22:30
Speaker 2: it's just because he was tired. So I find it
22:34
Speaker 2: hard to believe he didn't know. Maybe he just didn't
22:36
Speaker 2: want to talk about it in depth, but I thought
22:39
Speaker 2: that was a little bit strange. And then Defense, you know,
22:42
Speaker 2: aj Hinch had mentioned some pre pitch things that Tigers
22:45
Speaker 2: wanted him to work on. I know Riley last year
22:48
Speaker 2: he used to hop before every pitch, and he kind
22:51
Speaker 2: of ran in, like, while you're hopping one hundred plus
22:54
Speaker 2: times a game, maybe part of staying healthy. Like I
22:57
Speaker 2: talked about, like you're not putting as much wear on
22:59
Speaker 2: the bar, so maybe don't do the hop. So I
23:02
Speaker 2: kind of asked, like, are you going to adjust your
23:04
Speaker 2: pre pitch? Is there a balance there between what you
23:07
Speaker 2: do and the where you're placing on your body? And
23:10
Speaker 2: he said, I don't know. I have a month to
23:12
Speaker 2: figure that out. So I didn't spend a lot of
23:15
Speaker 2: introspection from Riley Green. I don't know what that means
23:18
Speaker 2: or what to make of it. I think like myself
23:23
Speaker 2: and reporters and fans hold Riley Green to a really
23:25
Speaker 2: high standard, and that's because he is a really good
23:28
Speaker 2: player who could be even better. So I don't know
23:33
Speaker 2: if that makes any sense. I just thought it was
23:35
Speaker 2: a you know, we got our answer to the Riley
23:37
Speaker 2: interview and there wasn't any tone shift or any introspection.
23:42
Speaker 2: Surely there was more behind the scenes, and maybe he
23:45
Speaker 2: just don't want to communicate that. I'll be interested to
23:47
Speaker 2: see what that brings for Riley in twenty twenty six. Again,
23:52
Speaker 2: I don't think it means he's going to be worse.
23:54
Speaker 2: He might just go out and have a great year anyway.
23:56
Speaker 2: But obviously there are areas he can improve. Well.
24:01
Speaker 1: The thing is that, like some of that stuff should
24:06
Speaker 1: happen naturally for Riley, like the the you know, some
24:10
Speaker 1: of that's like maturing is like not trying to hit
24:13
Speaker 1: hit the ball five thousand feet. Uh, you know, on
24:16
Speaker 1: every situation where but like you're right, Like where where
24:19
Speaker 1: is that once once the once the heat is turned
24:22
Speaker 1: up in the kitchen? You know, everything's live, Like can
24:25
Speaker 1: you take that step back? Can you actually do that?
24:28
Speaker 1: Like that is something that that he is gonna have
24:31
Speaker 1: to actually work on if he determines that this is
24:34
Speaker 1: something that he needs of the team, deides that this
24:37
Speaker 1: is something that they need from him or whatever, or
24:40
Speaker 1: like look you say, like he's twenty five, Like we've
24:43
Speaker 1: been twenty five before. I've never been twenty five with
24:47
Speaker 1: the accolades and everything that's kind of come from his
24:50
Speaker 1: uh you know, from his life as a ballplayer that
24:53
Speaker 1: that's probably there are probably something that he's just gonna
24:57
Speaker 1: have to learn a little bit more naturally about what
25:00
Speaker 1: this all entails while taking all the necessary steps that
25:03
Speaker 1: he has. So like, maybe it was gonna be this offseason,
25:06
Speaker 1: maybe it won't. But at the same time, like I
25:10
Speaker 1: would feel more comfortable if he expressed that a little
25:12
Speaker 1: bit better. That makes sense, Uh, you know, just like
25:15
Speaker 1: like like reading the quotes and it's it and and
25:18
Speaker 1: maybe we're talking about this however many minutes on it,
25:20
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be completely irrelevant once once once the
25:24
Speaker 1: season starts. But like I I do think that I've
25:28
Speaker 1: said this before, this is a kind of a it's
25:31
Speaker 1: a season that we're probably gonna get a better idea of,
25:33
Speaker 1: like what is his makeup as a ballplayer? Yeah, and
25:37
Speaker 1: it can go in a variety of directions. I think
25:40
Speaker 1: at his age, with his natural ability, some athleticism should
25:45
Speaker 1: be a part of his game for the next several years.
25:47
Speaker 1: I don't think like that should be something that is
25:50
Speaker 1: either taken away or goes away or whatever. So it'd
25:53
Speaker 1: be nice if he can regain some of that in
25:55
Speaker 1: the field and even you know, running the bases or whatever.
26:01
Speaker 1: But to bring it back to the original point, I
26:05
Speaker 1: guess I would almost say, like pressure on Riley Green,
26:08
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a four for all those things
26:10
Speaker 1: that we discussed, whereas like he is so important four
26:12
Speaker 1: out of five, we're doing this on a five point scale,
26:15
Speaker 1: like he is so important to what this team does
26:18
Speaker 1: and how far they will go. And also there's a
26:21
Speaker 1: decent amount of pressure to kind of figure out what
26:23
Speaker 1: kind of ballplayer he is. So even though he is
26:26
Speaker 1: so successful that there's still so much left there that
26:30
Speaker 1: I don't think anything less than a four, like what
26:35
Speaker 1: works for me?
26:35
Speaker 2: If that makes sense, Yeah, I agree, And I think
26:39
Speaker 2: that's why we're spending a lot of time on this.
26:40
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess, how do you define pressure. I mean,
26:43
Speaker 2: he's not at risk of losing his job or anything
26:46
Speaker 2: like that, but he's under pressure because he's under the microscope.
26:50
Speaker 2: Maybe we're the one that's putting him under the microscope,
26:52
Speaker 2: But Tigers are trying to win a World Series and
26:55
Speaker 2: Riley Green, he's only twenty five, but he's no longer
26:58
Speaker 2: young in his career about like what type of player
27:01
Speaker 2: are you going to be going forward? What Riley Green
27:04
Speaker 2: does this year, Like are you the two point nine
27:07
Speaker 2: more player or are you a four or five win player?
27:09
Speaker 2: Like that can be the difference between tens of millions
27:13
Speaker 2: of dollars that Riley will make in his career. Whether
27:16
Speaker 2: his athleticism rebounds could be the difference of one hundred
27:20
Speaker 2: plus million dollars that he might make in his career.
27:23
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that's fair to say there's some
27:25
Speaker 2: pressure on Riley Green, both in teams of both in
27:29
Speaker 2: terms of what he means to the twenty twenty six
27:31
Speaker 2: Tigers and the trajectory of where his career is headed.
27:36
Speaker 2: Last year raised some questions, and he could get this
27:39
Speaker 2: thing right back on track to being among the very
27:42
Speaker 2: best young players in the league. But obviously he can't
27:45
Speaker 2: do exactly what he did last season, whether it's in
27:48
Speaker 2: the field where he declined to negative seven defensive run
27:52
Speaker 2: saved or in the plate, where look, no one's here
27:55
Speaker 2: to argue. With thirty six homers and one hundred and
27:57
Speaker 2: eleven runs batted in two hundred one strike was a
28:00
Speaker 2: franchise record. No, maybe it's as simple. If you cut
28:04
Speaker 2: that to one hundred and seventy five strikeouts, that's still
28:07
Speaker 2: a lot of strikeouts. But if you walk twenty or
28:10
Speaker 2: thirty more times, and maybe you're not swinging at as
28:14
Speaker 2: many bad pitches and grounding out or popping up, like,
28:18
Speaker 2: there's a way which you still strike out a ton,
28:20
Speaker 2: but your average is better and your on base percentage
28:23
Speaker 2: is better. And that's where we talk about like you
28:25
Speaker 2: can live with the strikeouts.
28:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And you would have to assume that a
28:32
Speaker 1: lot of this has been communicated to him and is
28:35
Speaker 1: part of the plan this spring. And to tie a
28:39
Speaker 1: bow on Riley, he will not be playing for Team
28:42
Speaker 1: USA in the World Baseball Classic. Roman Anthony got that nod,
28:47
Speaker 1: But I think that's also okay. Now you can just
28:50
Speaker 1: kind of focus on his normal ramp up process whatever
28:54
Speaker 1: and you know, get ready for.
28:56
Speaker 2: Riley said, there wasn't even any real contact there and
28:58
Speaker 2: he went about to offseason training for kind of the
29:02
Speaker 2: long haul and not necessarily to ramp up to be
29:05
Speaker 2: one hundred percent for the WBC. So that shows you, like,
29:09
Speaker 2: you know, how he kind of trained, and that doesn't
29:12
Speaker 2: seem like Team USA. It was ever at the forefront
29:15
Speaker 2: of his mind.
29:17
Speaker 1: Let's stick with the outfield, you know, pressure, and we'll
29:20
Speaker 1: we'll just cover outfielders and we'll do infielders in another episode.
29:24
Speaker 1: But pressure. There's gotta be five out of five on
29:26
Speaker 1: Parker Meadows because there's an expiration date on the you know,
29:31
Speaker 1: he was really good for you know, two months in
29:35
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. By the way, like Parker came on
29:38
Speaker 1: the podcast. Cool guy, But like there's even if your
29:44
Speaker 1: glove is great and your feet are great, you still
29:46
Speaker 1: got to offer something in the box like that comes
29:48
Speaker 1: for everybody, and he this is I don't know if
29:52
Speaker 1: now or never is too strong, but a lot riding
29:54
Speaker 1: on Parker Meadows for personally and with the team in
29:58
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. I kind of give that a five
30:00
Speaker 1: out of five. I don't know, you're around.
30:04
Speaker 2: Four and a half maybe, I mean, I think it's
30:06
Speaker 2: up there because unlike Riley Green, Parker is in a
30:09
Speaker 2: way probably playing for his job this season, even the
30:13
Speaker 2: first part of this season. If he's not hitting well,
30:17
Speaker 2: you know, how long is that leash? I'm not sure.
30:20
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to go five, because
30:22
Speaker 2: I do think his speed, his defense buys him some time,
30:26
Speaker 2: is gonna buy him some innings because he can do that.
30:30
Speaker 2: But more like Riley Green, like we know there's a
30:32
Speaker 2: very good version of Parker Meadows in there. It is
30:35
Speaker 2: unlocking that is bringing out to its fullest potential, like
30:39
Speaker 2: and unlike Riley Green, like, the floor for Parker Meadows,
30:43
Speaker 2: I think is a lot lower because we've also seen
30:45
Speaker 2: what it looks like when he struggles. There was a
30:47
Speaker 2: time Parker Meadows was on the verge or being passed over,
30:52
Speaker 2: and there kind of was passed over. He had to
30:54
Speaker 2: repeat levels. You know, in this system there's a guy
30:57
Speaker 2: with a track record of just inconsistency the plate. So
31:00
Speaker 2: there's a lot on the line. And we also know
31:02
Speaker 2: how good the Tigers can be if they're getting real
31:04
Speaker 2: production out of Parker Meadows. He's definitely changed up his swing.
31:08
Speaker 2: He shortened it up, the hands are a little closer
31:10
Speaker 2: to his body. Has looked really good in BP sessions.
31:13
Speaker 2: Now watch him face live pitching a little bit, and
31:16
Speaker 2: that swing right away started to look a little bigger.
31:18
Speaker 2: Just to me, that's what can happen. Like how well
31:22
Speaker 2: can you translate off season changes cage stuff to facing
31:26
Speaker 2: the best pitching in the world. That's the trick for
31:29
Speaker 2: kind of everybody at this level. But I haven't got
31:32
Speaker 2: to dive in with him on his swing adjustments yet,
31:34
Speaker 2: but you can tell he's shortened up a little bit,
31:36
Speaker 2: and the hope is that that allowed him to cover
31:38
Speaker 2: more pitches and make a little more contact. And I'll
31:41
Speaker 2: be interested to learn a little bit more about what
31:44
Speaker 2: might be going on there with Parker Meadows.
31:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. I you know, the next guy, I, yeah,
31:52
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this exercises like everybody has
31:54
Speaker 1: like these high amounts of pressure or whatever. But so leagues,
32:00
Speaker 1: come on, Yeah, the next guy, I feel like things
32:04
Speaker 1: are pretty steady, and you, I think you like have
32:07
Speaker 1: like a steady like body of work here and know
32:10
Speaker 1: what to expect and and probably know not to ask
32:12
Speaker 1: him to do more than what you know he brings
32:15
Speaker 1: to the table. And that's carry Carpenter. Like, I feel
32:18
Speaker 1: like I'll give it like a like a two out
32:20
Speaker 1: of five where it's like, all right, dude, like you
32:23
Speaker 1: gotta be suitable in the field, suitable and hit your
32:27
Speaker 1: you know, approach thirty bombs, Like you're certainly good enough
32:31
Speaker 1: that people adjust to you in their game plans and
32:35
Speaker 1: their pitching plans. Uh, obviously you want to try to improve,
32:40
Speaker 1: But in terms of status quo and what you got
32:43
Speaker 1: out of Carry Carpenter, I feel like that's pretty steady.
32:46
Speaker 1: So I would say, like he's important, so he can't
32:48
Speaker 1: just be like no pressure but like a two, like
32:50
Speaker 1: everything's kind of right there. I think we have a
32:52
Speaker 1: good understanding.
32:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there's a ton of pressure on
32:55
Speaker 2: Carry Carpenter. I mean it's easier said than done to
32:58
Speaker 2: repeat home and finished with last season. Did he hit
33:02
Speaker 2: thirty six? So easier said than done. Hey, just go
33:06
Speaker 2: hit twenty six bombs again. But he's in a pretty
33:10
Speaker 2: stable place. I think the real question is can he
33:12
Speaker 2: give you a full season healthy? So he's yet to
33:15
Speaker 2: do that. He had the back issue, he's had hims
33:18
Speaker 2: during problems Like the Tigers need excuse me, Kerry Carpenter
33:22
Speaker 2: to be healthy. And I think it'll be interesting to
33:26
Speaker 2: see how that ties in with Riley Green given the
33:28
Speaker 2: speed the defense. Is there a world where the Tigers
33:32
Speaker 2: would like Riley Green to DH more? I think there is.
33:36
Speaker 2: If Riley Green is DH more, that likely means Kerry
33:38
Speaker 2: Carpenter is playing in the field more, and how does
33:41
Speaker 2: his body handle that given his injury history, certainly a question.
33:47
Speaker 2: So you got to keep performing at a high level.
33:50
Speaker 2: Your performance is naturally, like the counting numbers are naturally
33:53
Speaker 2: going to go up though, if you can just be
33:55
Speaker 2: on the field and be in the box for more
33:57
Speaker 2: at bats. That that's really the big thing.
33:59
Speaker 1: With speaking of speed and defense about Matt Viling, like
34:07
Speaker 1: that's that's somebody that feels like, well, like we know
34:11
Speaker 1: they like what he meant in twenty twenty four, and
34:14
Speaker 1: we know what they missed from him in twenty twenty
34:17
Speaker 1: five and how his lack of presence really complicated the
34:23
Speaker 1: makeup of this roster and what the Tigers were able
34:26
Speaker 1: to do on a daily basis. And if you can
34:29
Speaker 1: get like, if you can get a healthy Matt Vieling,
34:34
Speaker 1: it does open up, Like I just have to imagine,
34:37
Speaker 1: it makes aj hinch like like like the sleep cycle
34:41
Speaker 1: or whatever, like they measure how your quality is sleep
34:44
Speaker 1: healthy Matty v has got to go give him at
34:47
Speaker 1: least another seven to like twelve percent better sleep every night,
34:51
Speaker 1: because he does offer a lot he is you know,
34:53
Speaker 1: he's a right handed piece on a very left handed team.
34:56
Speaker 2: And.
34:58
Speaker 1: I hope that he is. You know, he learned from
35:01
Speaker 1: whatever happened last year, whether it was a freak incident
35:03
Speaker 1: or not, that he can be healthy because he is
35:05
Speaker 1: getting up there in age and like the team was
35:10
Speaker 1: successful without him even though all those things I said,
35:13
Speaker 1: it feels like this is like a like a four
35:16
Speaker 1: point two four point three pressure on Magro.
35:19
Speaker 2: I would love to see aj Hinch's sleep scores from
35:22
Speaker 2: his time as Tigers manager. Virling's a tough one, all right.
35:28
Speaker 2: Why is Ridley Green under a lot of pressure? Because
35:30
Speaker 2: he's really good and that means, you know, everything is
35:32
Speaker 2: a little bit magnified, and we know how important he
35:34
Speaker 2: is to the team. For Matt Vierling, he missed the
35:37
Speaker 2: vast majority of last season. Therefore, the expectations aren't really
35:42
Speaker 2: that high. In a way, maybe that can take pressure off.
35:46
Speaker 2: But in a way like I could he be playing
35:48
Speaker 2: for his job like a little bit like he's going
35:50
Speaker 2: to be on this team, I think, but he's gonna
35:53
Speaker 2: have to perform, especially with the Max Clarks of the
35:56
Speaker 2: world coming fast, Like you have to justify your bats,
36:01
Speaker 2: you have to justify playing time. The best version of
36:04
Speaker 2: the Tigers, the Tigers who win the Ale Central and
36:06
Speaker 2: emerges real World Series contenders. They might have a twenty
36:09
Speaker 2: twenty four level Matt Vierling, a guy who's playing at
36:12
Speaker 2: a three plus war clip. Also, just where does he
36:17
Speaker 2: fit in the aj Hinch puzzle? Like some of that
36:19
Speaker 2: will determine will be determined by how well he is performing,
36:24
Speaker 2: but it will also be fascinating. The Tigers are going
36:26
Speaker 2: to have him working pretty exclusively in outfield for most
36:30
Speaker 2: of camp, which is a change from last year. It
36:32
Speaker 2: sounds like toward the end of camp he could get
36:34
Speaker 2: a few reps at third, even first, just to keep
36:37
Speaker 2: that tool sharp. But sounds like they see him as
36:41
Speaker 2: a big part of this outfield and maybe that's tied
36:44
Speaker 2: closely to Parker Metto's. If Parker Meadows isn't hitting first
36:48
Speaker 2: man up to get more reps in center field, might
36:50
Speaker 2: just be Matt Ververling.
36:54
Speaker 1: How about the guy who's just like getting talked about
36:57
Speaker 1: it at allel paris like like what's so Peaz? Like,
37:02
Speaker 1: you know, everybody likes him, Everybody likes his attitude. All
37:05
Speaker 1: he's done Cody and back to back years has put
37:07
Speaker 1: a point seven war season and a point eight war
37:09
Speaker 1: season as a guy that no one seems to, like
37:13
Speaker 1: I want to say, like they don't really get a
37:15
Speaker 1: lot of credit. It's like, oh, there's win so like
37:17
Speaker 1: you know, it's cool or whatever. But no one's like,
37:20
Speaker 1: oh cool, like you know, good thing, we have him
37:23
Speaker 1: on the forty man or whatever, you know. Like, but
37:25
Speaker 1: he's obviously been valuable the past couple of years. I
37:28
Speaker 1: don't think there's a lot of pressure on him, quote unquote,
37:31
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think he's kind of
37:34
Speaker 1: low key, like relied on more than then like the talking.
37:39
Speaker 1: Then the talking get you know, talking heads like us
37:42
Speaker 1: give him credit for.
37:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, if there's any stat that would make me or
37:45
Speaker 2: any argument that would get me to like not believe
37:48
Speaker 2: in war as much as I generally do, it's probably
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Speaker 2: whens Pearaz being worth zero point eight because he felt
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Speaker 2: so much more important to last year's team, came up
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Speaker 2: in some big moments. He played really well at times.
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Speaker 2: His right handed swing was really good. I don't know
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Speaker 2: that he's under a ton of pressure, maybe because again
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Speaker 2: expectations aren't sky high. You probably have a job, and
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Speaker 2: that is not one hundred percent guarantee. It just you know,
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Speaker 2: he's one of those guys could he level up or
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Speaker 2: is the right handed swing was that a fluke last year? Like,
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Speaker 2: there are certainly some questions surrounding Winstle and also how
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Speaker 2: does he fit in this puzzle? Where is he gonna
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Speaker 2: play by the way A J. Hinchmintion and Kerry Carpenter
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Speaker 2: is gonna work a little more and left where he
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Speaker 2: was almost exclusively right last season, So that like is
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Speaker 2: that tight end. I think what we're learning in the outfield,
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Speaker 2: they're all kind of connected to each other in different ways,
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Speaker 2: So Winsle Pearaz is certainly part of that. Where's the
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Speaker 2: playing time and what situations is he playing? I would
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Speaker 2: certainly keep a close eye on that right handed swing
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Speaker 2: because if it's good again, he's gonna play a lot.
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Speaker 2: And if it if the production isn't there, that's that's
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Speaker 2: certainly gonna have some trickle down effects for everybody else.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, the right the right handed swing was like,
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Speaker 1: you know, kind of found money last year and and
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Speaker 1: became like a vital thing. And if that is a
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Speaker 1: real element to his game, then he's somebody that you
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Speaker 1: could probably pencil in to be a part of this
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Speaker 1: team for like the next you know, two three years,
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Speaker 1: which you don't get you, Like, I don't know if
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Speaker 1: we never would have thought that just like three years ago.
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Speaker 1: Like yah, yeah, so that that that about covers it, Cody.
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Speaker 1: We we you know, we could go on for a
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Speaker 1: long time about these guys. We'll do the infield and
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Speaker 1: pitchers separately. Obviously, I know some of these guys you know,
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Speaker 1: play both. But but like, just like this was a
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Speaker 1: really fun exercise because again, like you said, it just
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Speaker 1: kind of shows just like how connected everything is. And
39:51
Speaker 1: it's like, well, if you know it's it's like different
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Speaker 1: different levels and levers, Like well, if this one goes here,
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Speaker 1: then you're gonna have to pull this lever here, and
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Speaker 1: that's gonna affect that. Like it's fascinating what is all
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Speaker 1: ahead of us, and probably making the sleep score for Ajhnschill.
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Speaker 2: A little bit down.
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Speaker 1: So, uh, anything else, Cody before we jet out of here.
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Speaker 2: Uh No, plenty more to talk about. We'll be back
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Speaker 2: with you guys in a couple of days. We'll go
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Speaker 2: over the nfield. We'll talk about Jasey Young playing first base,
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Speaker 2: plenty of other tidbits coming out of camp. Every day.
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Speaker 2: It's a fun time of year.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Like Matt said, you all got a lot to
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