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- 0:02Welcome to a very special live episode of buck Eye Tomorrow Morning for Wednesday,
- 0:07November fifteenth. I'm your host, Tom Moore. The Minnesota game is in
- 0:10three days, the game against Michigan in ten days. Buck eys obviously trying
- 0:16not to look ahead. We're going to try not to look ahead too much.
- 0:19In this show. There was a little bit of Jim Harbaugh talk.
- 0:21Well, you're what rand had decaid about that, just the great Tim May
- 0:26doing the things that make him the great Tim May. But let's start a
- 0:30little bit with with a little bit of injury talk. There was some you
- 0:34know, Ryan Day's not out there providing specific diagnoses or specific timetables. The
- 0:39answer he gave on defensive tackle Mike Hall was just like, at this point,
- 0:43we kind of have a sense for when he's telling you know, not
- 0:46telling us, but telling us like it's not a big deal. It was
- 0:50not not a big deal the way he described Mike Hall situation. Yeah,
- 0:53so he had no update on Mike call, which is Day speak for you
- 0:58that's not good. If it's if it's generally if it's not bad, he'll
- 1:03say, yeah, we're hoping to get him back. Like when he doesn't
- 1:06give that we're hoping to get him back, or it's nothing that's you know,
- 1:10he'll be fine. When he doesn't give you those answers, that's kind
- 1:14of like him saying he's not going to be going to be back for the
- 1:18near future. And he didn't say that, so we're not for sure that
- 1:19that's the case. But when we're trying to interpret non answers, some of
- 1:25these non answers have become answers because it's the same answer he gave for Length
- 1:30and Ransom. It's answers he's given throughout the last couple of years with his
- 1:34availability, his injury rules policy, and so I to me, this is
- 1:40not great news for Mike Hall in terms of his availability for Minnesota and Michigan.
- 1:47Just no update is I don't know, is that like a four to
- 1:49six week type of thing. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to
- 1:53put a specific window on it, but it doesn't you know, it feels
- 1:56like, based on the way he answered that question, it doesn't feel like
- 1:59there's is real life he's going to play this weekend. Beyond that, I
- 2:04think my likelihood in my head that he plays against Michigan dropped significantly with the
- 2:08way he answered that question, and that's true for lath and Ransom as well.
- 2:12Lathan Ransom, you know that this is not real breaking news, that
- 2:15that was a longer term thing. We've talked about that in previous weeks,
- 2:20but Day made it sound like that was not necessarily something they're expecting to have
- 2:23him back from in the next couple of weeks, which, if you recall
- 2:28the start of the show, the Michigan game is in ten days. Yeah,
- 2:30he said he did not. He does not expect Lathan Ransom to be
- 2:34back for the regular season. Could be back towards the end of the season,
- 2:38should something happen everywhere the season maybe I think is extended, then he
- 2:40would perhaps if they make a ball. If they make a ball, perhaps
- 2:46and well they are both aliens, will correct Kevin, But depending on the
- 2:51ball, you know, there's going to be that aspect of it, but
- 2:53won't be available for the rest of the regular season, which a year ago
- 2:59would be devastating. It's not great, but they're much better, much more
- 3:02e quipped to handle it this year than they would have been last year,
- 3:06and a lot of the other guys in that secondary. I mean, they
- 3:09got to hard quarterback last week. He was on the field against Michigan State.
- 3:14That's not really a one to one plug in play for Leathan Ransom.
- 3:16It sounds like that's been to be more of a Sunny Style think that was
- 3:20what it was last week. Sunny Styles had that bandit or boundary safety position.
- 3:24He Jim Knowles was asked about, you know what is sunny dude?
- 3:29You know, maybe differently or better than Lathan had. Jim Noles was in
- 3:32a great game today, so however you want to interpret that. Jim Knowles,
- 3:36Jim Knowles was feeling great about life today, had a great answer on
- 3:39what Sunny Styles does you know better than, better than or differently than Leathan
- 3:44Ransom. Yeah. The first answer was he's taller. So I don't know
- 3:47if that's a better than thing or just a different quality, but he is
- 3:52definitely taller than anybody else in the Ohio State Secondary. One of the interesting
- 3:57aspects, because we've talked about this before, Sunny Styles does a bunch of
- 4:00different things. And when he was at Nickel, he would be a Nicol,
- 4:02he'd be a Sam you know, he would do he would blitz.
- 4:05When you're the strong safety, you have to be the strong safety and they're
- 4:10going to be playing other teams where they're not going to want him to just
- 4:13be the strong safety. So that's where getting joh Hot Carter back and having
- 4:15him more involved. As Jimnal said, like, they're gonna still do some
- 4:18things with Sonny and Ryan Desa the same thing. There are things coming with
- 4:23Sonny Sonny that they like to do. He's an effective blitzer as we've seen
- 4:26a strong safety. We've seen it also at Nickel. But it's good that
- 4:30he's not just they don't just have to keep him back there because I do
- 4:33assume at some point maybe when we see him as one of the three linebackers
- 4:38against a Michigan running thirteen personnel, you know that sort of thing where he's
- 4:42going to be up on the line of scrimmage. But you also maybe want
- 4:45to have joh Hot Carter in the game as one of the deep safeties.
- 4:46I'm not sure how exactly they're going to want to do that, but they
- 4:50still have plans for him to do other things. They don't want to give
- 4:53him too much, but he's so versatile that you still want to be able
- 4:56to use him in different ways. Yeah, and another guy who's going to
- 5:00be you know, maybe a little bit up, and they are definitely not
- 5:02as discouraging an update by any means in terms of injury. Was Tommy Iikenberg,
- 5:08Mike linebacker, who obviously has been pretty darn effective for Ohio State over
- 5:12the last couple of years and would be a pretty significant player in you know,
- 5:16if the Michigan game, you know, when when the Michigan game rolls
- 5:19around, that's going to be dentially a pretty significant one for Tommy, i
- 5:23can Burg. Knowles said, I mean, Tommy has been much more communicative
- 5:28this week, you know, as he was asked, you know, basically
- 5:30told by yeah, you can't play, just you know, you have to
- 5:33set out. We're very sorry. Yeah. And Jim Knowles likes to talk
- 5:38about how Tommy grunts, but they actually, you know, this was maybe
- 5:41the most he's talked Tommy, I can greg in terms of saying I want
- 5:44to play, let me play, get me out there. Maybe maybe stamp
- 5:47down his moves or something. I don't know, just get me out there.
- 5:51But it was just determined that for the betterment of Tommy, for the
- 5:55better betterment of the team and moving forward, to hold him out. But
- 6:00I expect him to be back this week, because I don't think you want
- 6:02to take two weeks off and get into it against Michigan. Well, and
- 6:05then the question is if he does come back, what's better or is it
- 6:11better to be fresh physically but a little bit rusty maybe mentally, or is
- 6:15it better to be, you know, knock a little bit of the rust
- 6:18off, even if you just play a quarter against Minnesota, or you just
- 6:21play a couple of drives or whatever, and you know risk you know,
- 6:25hey, can you potentially make an injury worse, you know, get hit
- 6:28wrong? Whatever that's that would be. You know, that's going to be
- 6:30an interesting calculus for this team in terms of figure out how they want to
- 6:34handle that kind of situation. Yes, I don't know that there's necessarily a
- 6:39clear right answer to the especially against a physical offense like Minnesota, where you
- 6:44are going to take a beating and you're gonna have to be in there.
- 6:46So I don't know it would be Maybe the ideal thing is to play a
- 6:49half, but you have to score enough to make sure that there's no no
- 6:54longer a contest going on to get him out of there in the third quarter.
- 6:57But yeah, they'll figure it out and they'll do it's best. That's
- 7:00trainers, that's coaches, that's Tom. He's played a ton. So if
- 7:03anybody could sit two games and then get right back into a fistfight, I
- 7:06think it'd be him. And you know, getting to the point where the
- 7:10score is out of hand enough that you can yank your starters off the field.
- 7:14They did that last week, and they did that against Michigan State,
- 7:16and you know, Colm McCord played a little bit of extra beyond what you
- 7:21know, they pulled, you know, the wide receivers and the starting you
- 7:25know, Tradvan Henderson was out, but you still had Tom McCord and they're
- 7:28behind the Ohives State offensive line. That being able to do that depends on
- 7:32how effective the offense is. And you know, Ken the offense put up
- 7:35thirty five first half points. Again, if they can well, that would
- 7:38go a long way to make you know, getting you know, getting Michigan
- 7:41week started maybe a couple of quarters earlier than it officially starts, and that
- 7:46comes down to the Ohive State offense playing well. And you know, Ryan
- 7:48a has seen like real tangible progress I think we all have. But you
- 7:53know, he talked about the fact that this is there's like significant growth,
- 7:57significant progress from this offense on the whole. Yeah, you're getting guys back.
- 8:01I think it was to Megan asking about like this being a menu in
- 8:03it, like it's like a cheesecake factory menu where it's like forty six pages.
- 8:09But you don't want to just get lost in the menu, like you
- 8:11need to maybe go with an idea of what you want and that's what that's
- 8:13what you do from Sunday through Friday and Sunday through Wednesdays. You're building the
- 8:18game plan and you don't want to get lost in all of these different things
- 8:22because you still have to do what is best routine, do what you do
- 8:26best practice it. Make sure you're doing the stuff that works in practice is
- 8:31what you're going to do in a game. Can't just throw stuff together.
- 8:33And they do have some things we've seen the more the implementing of the two
- 8:39back sets more and doing stuff off of that. I still think we're going
- 8:41to see more of that, and I think we'll see some things come of
- 8:45that against Michigan as well. But you've got different guys and you can you
- 8:50can now sit Marvin Forrest Bell and bring in Carnel Tator sit a Mecca Abuca
- 8:56and bring in Xavier Johnson because they've got guys that they'repletely confident. And this
- 9:01is the time where you when you have that depth this type of year,
- 9:03and somebody goes out with an ankle or whatever, you move right in.
- 9:07But also in these couple of games, you can give guys a rest and
- 9:09you don't have to worry about worry about it hurting the offense. And oh,
- 9:13now you've gone from a twenty eight point lead to a twenty one point
- 9:16lead because you're not moving the ball. Yeah. I think back to the
- 9:18week before the twenty seventeen Michigan game when Ohioseate played Illinois in an absolute monsoon
- 9:26in Ohio. State was up by a bunch and they pulled all the starters
- 9:28off the field and it started raining, and the second team offense, which
- 9:33I was being laid by Dwayne Haskins at that point, just couldn't do anything.
- 9:37I think through a pick and Urban Meyer got really angry and put a
- 9:39bunch of guys back at starters back on the field like Billy Price, I
- 9:43think it like cut his tape off and it's all of a suddenly back out
- 9:45on the field, and you got to you got to make sure, you
- 9:48know, the hey has really got to be in the barn before you really
- 9:52are ready to pull those guys off the field. But you know, it
- 9:54does it does sound like Ryan a sort of maybe changed his views a little
- 9:58bit on that. It was he talked about that after the game. You
- 10:01know, you're managing things a little differently this time of year compared to how
- 10:05you might in you know, the Youngstown State game in week two or three,
- 10:09whatever that was. Yeah, I also think we would have seen Lincoln
- 10:11Kenols sooner if the field position would have been better, because when they were
- 10:16taking guys out, they kept god the cordon because they're still backed up like
- 10:18inside their ten, inside their twenty, and then once they got the ball
- 10:22out to midfield, then first down at midfield, then you bring Lincoln Kenolds.
- 10:24And he did say he probably would have put Devin Brown in sooner.
- 10:28Devin Brown another guy maybe we should mention who is should be back this week,
- 10:33should practice this week. But then Ryan Days said it also depends on
- 10:37what happens during warmups on Saturday, because yeah, he did Devin Brown did
- 10:41kind of reaggravate an injury during warm ups. That's why you didn't see Devin
- 10:45Brown on Saturday. Someone else that you saw on Saturday in a little bit
- 10:48of a different spot was Matt Jones. He was, obviously has been the
- 10:52starting right guard all season and when they were you know, once the game
- 10:56was kind of in hand, they kicked him over to center and on an
- 11:00Enich for Mahi at that right guard spot. That was one of those things
- 11:03that was kind of like huh, because you have you know, Matt Jones
- 11:07was as a high school prospect right at the number one center in the country
- 11:11and then I don't think has actually played center at least in any meaningful amount
- 11:16of time, but looked good the you know, Carson Hinzman his first year
- 11:22starting young, probably not as physically developed as he probably ultimately will be.
- 11:28And ran Day was asked about that, and you know, I don't you
- 11:31know, it didn't make it sound like a change there was imminent, but
- 11:35also didn't say like, no, no chance. Well, he did say
- 11:39they're going to continue with the five that they had, but also they wanted
- 11:41to know what it would look like if they went that way and to get
- 11:46some of the idea of that film so that if you do eventually have to
- 11:50go against Michigan Kenneth Grant and their defensive interior and Carson Hinsman isn't getting it
- 11:56done, then this won't be the first time of the match. I was
- 12:00just taking some snaps and they take snaps everybody. They have like four different
- 12:03guys taking snaps in practice, so they have He has done that, but
- 12:07in terms of getting into a game, obviously it's much different. So you
- 12:09get a little bit of action that way. I wouldn't be surprised if we
- 12:13see it again against Minnesota at this point. And again, not that anything
- 12:16is imminent, but you need to be at your absolute best in ten days
- 12:24and if things aren't going well up front, then at least you know you
- 12:28can make a move if you need to. Yeah, and Enich for Mahi
- 12:31played, He's Enich for Maya actually started against Michigan last year at the right
- 12:35tackle and then Josh Fryer right guard, and then Josh Fryer came in for
- 12:39him after that. But you know, Enich for Mahi is someone who's been
- 12:43around for so long. He was a what twenty eighteen I think, recruit
- 12:46for Ohio State and has been around forever and has been, you know,
- 12:50a very useful backup, you know, hey, break glass in case emergency
- 12:56kind of guy. Obviously, you can have talked about Heinzman not being necessarily
- 12:58as developed as he's going to be, and I's been here long enough that
- 13:03he is statistically developed as he's going to be. And you know, if
- 13:05that is a you know, rough and tumble kind of game in the trenches,
- 13:11maybe I would worry about you know, you ways, like about the
- 13:15cohesion of the offensive line and guys working together and being in different spots.
- 13:18And you know, if you're at the center, then you're making the line
- 13:20calls, and that's something that Jones hasn't had to do. So I don't
- 13:24think that's going to be something there like rushing out to do. But I
- 13:28mean, if it's it's good to have options at this point of year,
- 13:33Yeah, it is. Although if this wouldn't be so late this season and
- 13:37they are still very concerned, maybe you would give Matt Jones an entire game
- 13:41if you're but like, I don't think you can go an entire game now
- 13:46against Minnesota just because of all of the moving parts. This is more of
- 13:50a like a on field promotion type of thing against field promotion. Yeah,
- 13:56yeah, so that's that's uh, I think the big stuff. Was there
- 14:00anything else that jumped out to you during the during the no I believe Josh
- 14:05Proctor has mentioned as he'll be back, like that's the sort of thing,
- 14:07like no concern there, but yeah, Josh Proctor, you kind of got
- 14:11the sense probably could have gone last week if they needed him to. But
- 14:16Mecca, Yeah, they held him out of their own accord, uh for
- 14:20the second half, and he's getting stronger each day. So yeah, so
- 14:24and Cat Silver obviously played the whole game or played, you know, as
- 14:28much as any of the starters played and had had a really solid game.
- 14:31Do we have questions we want to get to? Is this a Meltain type
- 14:37of game against Michigan their offensive tackle speed rush, uh, Mitchell Melton who
- 14:46got a little banged up at the end of that game. But is this
- 14:50a Mitchell Melton type of game? I think this is a this is it
- 14:52could be anybody on that defensive end group because of what they saw from Carson
- 14:58Barnhardt, the right tackle Michigan who had a rough game, but there weren't
- 15:01a ton of dropbacks in that game. I think they're gonna try what is
- 15:05the best matchup? Is it JT Tey Moloa against him? Just speed power,
- 15:09that sort of thing. I expect them to really try to help him
- 15:13out, row Barnhart out, but he's It's not like either tackle is fantastic,
- 15:18but the speed rush, he had no shot with that, and Mitchell
- 15:22melt is a very fast rusher. I don't think they're going to bypass their
- 15:26other guys for that. And then the question is, Okay, if it's
- 15:30not toy Moloa or Sawyer, is that Jackson? Is that Kayden Curry?
- 15:35It feels like we've mostly seen Kenyana Jackson over the left tackle, like we've
- 15:43mostly seen j T. Twey molo O over the left tackle, mostly seeing
- 15:46Jack Sawyer over the right tackle, mostly seen Kayden Curry over the right tackle.
- 15:52I wonder if, you know, I get the sense that they feel
- 15:54like Kenyana Jackson can be trusted to, you know, not be reckless in
- 16:00his rush and not you know, last week you saw Chop Robinson would sometimes
- 16:04get too far upfield and then that opens the lane for j JJ McCarthy to
- 16:08run. So you get the sense that maybe someone like a Kenyata Jackson might
- 16:15have you know, maybe maybe that's an opportunity for him. But then it's
- 16:18just boy that this is a real big moment for someone who has not you
- 16:22know, he's plugged a bunch, but he hasn't been in that kind of
- 16:25spot yet. Are you suggesting the Carson Barnett thing was like a rope dope
- 16:29where you let him go by the first couple of times and then you start
- 16:32running right befo. Well, they changed. It looked like they changed kind
- 16:34of how they were dropping back and that was you know, and and you
- 16:38know, how often do we tear guy? You know, Larry Johnson talk
- 16:41about not getting behind the quarterback, and sometimes you get behind the quarterback.
- 16:45And that's partly Michigan I think changed things up a little bit part way through
- 16:48the game, and also partly just JJ McCarthy is pretty nimble back in that
- 16:52pocket, and you know he's not you know, he can run, but
- 16:56he also can just kind of like do the like Stetson Bennett, like,
- 17:00you know, oh, let me just slider it past you there, just
- 17:02just a little dip or a little you know, a little stop or a
- 17:03little whatever and just goes zip and pass. I also wonder if you're gonna
- 17:08see Sunny Styles be asked to try and go get the quarterback. We've seen
- 17:12Jordan Hancock be asked try and get the quarterback. I think, I mean
- 17:15they're gonna throw Jimnas has you know, not not thrown a ton of blitzes
- 17:22out there this year, not nearly as many as last year. You wonder
- 17:25what does that look like this this you know, not this week, but
- 17:27against Michage well, and if you're gonna keep max protect in to help your
- 17:30guys, those guys aren't going out in the route, so you can send
- 17:33more people to get after the quarterback. One Mark vetters, you guys think
- 17:40that Michigan and Ohio State will really have trap games this week? I always,
- 17:45you know, I think you always look at the game before the Michigan
- 17:49game in terms of both both teams, what that week before looks like.
- 17:53Last year they both had trappy games. They you know, Michigan played on
- 17:57the road at a good Illinois team and one I think nineteen to seventeen,
- 18:02and I think did they have to kick a field goal at the end of
- 18:03the game to win? Or did did Illinois have to miss a field goal
- 18:07at the end of the game. I think Michigan. Michigan kicked it.
- 18:10Yeah, Michigan kicked it. We were watching that in the press box at
- 18:12Maryland that I'm standing up there, going I should really be down on the
- 18:15field taking pictures, but I'm up in the press box of Tony watching watching
- 18:18the Michigan Illinois game. And then Ohio State got out to a lead,
- 18:22and then Maryland came back and made it interesting into the final minute. I
- 18:26don't think I'm expecting that this weekend. I mean, I'm not expecting it
- 18:32from either team. Odds are one of the games is kind of interesting into
- 18:37the second half, just for whatever reason. Just you know, you're you're
- 18:41trying to get guys healthy, You're trying to not show too much. You're
- 18:44trying to you know not and and I know everyone wants to say that your
- 18:48laser focused on. Everyone is aware of the schedule, everyone is aware of
- 18:52what's on the what's on deck. Michigan's dealing with the whole hardball thing,
- 18:56and either he's back and that's a big thing, or he's not back and
- 18:59that's a big thing. And you could see one of them having, you
- 19:03know, having the game be interesting you into the second half. I'm not
- 19:06you know, I'm not expecting anyone to lose. I think they're both like
- 19:08three to four touchdown favorites. Yeah, I could see Ohio State leading twenty
- 19:12to three at the half and winning twenty to ten, just like shutting things
- 19:15down Michigan. I think they're so focused right now on each day because of
- 19:21what's going on, and focused on themselves and of course focused on America.
- 19:26I don't think they're going to be looking past Maryland, and frankly, with
- 19:30the quarterbacks that they face, they better not be looking fast. Maryland.
- 19:33No, and Maryland. You know, Maryland now is not the Maryland team
- 19:37that Ohio State faced. That's you know, they have done the typical Maryland
- 19:40thing where they're you know, the trajectory is directly into the side of the
- 19:42mountain. That's just how every Maryland football season tends to go. But you
- 19:48know that this is a you know, neither neither Maryland nor Minnesota are you
- 19:53know, Chris Ash level runners. Like that's it's not it's you know,
- 19:57these are not complete walkovers. These are teams that are you know, fine
- 20:03and bowl ish like you know, I think Maryland has already won six games
- 20:07and Miss Minnesota is not there yet, but I think could potentially still get
- 20:11ball eligible. You know they're fine. These are these are like pin Stripe
- 20:15Bowl level teams. And you know a team like that, if you,
- 20:18if you really know, show a game a Pinstripe Bowl level team can make
- 20:22your life real uncomfortable for three hours. But I'm not expecting that from either
- 20:26of them. Next one here, Mica Hannah really need a Mecca Boopa back
- 20:32fully healthy for the Michigan game. Yeah, getting a Mecca fully healthy for
- 20:37that Michigan game would be significant. And he's healthy now and they're they're seeing
- 20:41more explosion happening. I think you'll really know it when they start dialing some
- 20:45stuff up for him. And then they did throw the ball gym one pass
- 20:48downfield. There is an interference on him. So I with as effective as
- 20:55everybody is, with Kate Stover being a difficult matchup Eve and Xavier Johnson with
- 20:59what they're doing now, and we'll talk more about this than a Buckeye with
- 21:02be at some point, but using him that two backs in a wheel route
- 21:07as well against a linebacker. But obviously with a Mecca they'll start dialing some
- 21:12stuff up. For him, and he's going to be a difficult matchup for
- 21:15whomever. And the way they keep moving Marvin into the slot like they've got
- 21:18some pieces right now, and once they I don't know if if a Mecca
- 21:23makes them bacon grease like that, that's really when things start getting cooking with
- 21:27him, because he's got all the potential that everybody anybody else has in the
- 21:30nation, right dacaid, He's one of the best receivers in the nation.
- 21:33We saw that last year and I still feel like we're going to see that
- 21:37at some point this season. And you know, can Stover was back last
- 21:40week, but not one hundred percent. So as he continued to get healthier
- 21:44and get Meca back and you know all that, all that kind of stuff,
- 21:47Kyle McCord still has his left ankle wrapped real, real, real tightly.
- 21:51So there's a lot of a lot of guys who if they can get
- 21:52a little healthier, that's going to only help things as they continue to improve.
- 21:57Tomby killed seventy nine four great against Michigan State, but they sent no
- 22:02pressure. Do you think you see Minnesota send more pressure to answer some of
- 22:04those questions are not so the challenge with sending pressure against Ohio State is you
- 22:11also want to be bracketing Marvin Harrison as often as possible, and at some
- 22:15point you run out of players, and that's a do you want to die
- 22:21the death of a thousand cuts or do you want to you know, risk
- 22:25getting popped over the top. And I would expect Minnesota just based on the
- 22:30fact that Minnesota has played in the Big Ten West all season. The sort
- 22:36of default answer there is, well, no one can throw worth a crap,
- 22:40so it's fine, just sit back, make them try and go methodically
- 22:42down the field, and at some point the quarterback is going to accidentally throw
- 22:45it into the fourth row of stands. So I think that's sort of the
- 22:48default answer for their defense. I think teams are probably going into games with
- 22:55Ohio State going don't let Marvin Harrison be you, and that that feels like
- 22:59that's kind of been the end answer, and that just makes it more amazing
- 23:03what Marvin Harrison is doing. Jim Knowles talking about that during during the interview.
- 23:06Yeah, All's talked about how early on in practice they had Marvin bracketted
- 23:12and he still went up and caught it and yelled into the microphone like how
- 23:15can you let this happen? And the answer back to him was basically that's
- 23:19Marv, Like, so that's what are you gonna do trying to stop it?
- 23:23I mean, you can try to stop it, but you've seen how
- 23:26that works. He ran through a double team, a bracket coverage in need,
- 23:30like the first play of the third quarter when they went deep to him
- 23:33there, And that's a tough ask for anybody. I do think Minnesota will
- 23:37look at Michigan State and see like, well, we see what happens when
- 23:40you don't pressure comic coord you can you can do whatever you want to do
- 23:42to Marvin. And they didn't bracket him all the time. But like,
- 23:45if you just like comic Cord, be comfortable, I think they're going to
- 23:48throw the ball all over you. And they're showing that they have the patience
- 23:52to dump it off. He did that two weeks ago against Rutgers. So
- 23:55if you want to try to make something happen, then't go after Now that
- 24:00may like, that may be like the Western Kentucky coach where you just I'm
- 24:03just gonna keep swinging and everything. Yeah, I don't care where the pitch
- 24:04is, I'm swinging. If you maybe you do that, then maybe you
- 24:08can create something or do you just want to lose by a soft number like
- 24:14well, yeah, we we did our best, but we did you try
- 24:17to win it or did you just try not to lose it by a bunch?
- 24:18Well, it feels like teams are a lot. I mean, Greg
- 24:21Ciano tried to win it, Michigan State tried to not lose it by a
- 24:26bunch. And you know, PJ Flack, I don't. I don't know
- 24:29what PJ Flex's gonna do. PJ Flack famously not the most predictable human being
- 24:33on earth. So we'll see, we'll see what he chooses to do there.
- 24:37Yeah, yeah, next, but here from David Greenshield. Thoughts on
- 24:42seeing Hayden in the second half. Need to get Trey rest. Okay,
- 24:47so, thoughts on seeing Delan Hayden in the second half against Minnesota. Dellan
- 24:52Hayden has played two games. I don't think at this point. I don't
- 24:57think you're gonna see Delan Hayden until they need to see Dalan Hayden. And
- 25:00or the number of remaining possible games is equal to or less than the number
- 25:07of games he can play without burning his red shirt that has just that has
- 25:11been, for whatever reason, that has been the driving factor behind the playing
- 25:15time decisions for Dalan Hayden. Even though Dellan Hayden looked like Dellan Hayden looked
- 25:18against Purdue, I think I think you have a better chance of seeing Dalan
- 25:23Hayden in a theoretical college football playoff semi final game than you do in in
- 25:30this weekend's game against Minnesota. Yeah, I would also say not he will.
- 25:33I don't. I don't expect him to play this week. But I
- 25:37view him as like you used everybody, you have to get to game seven.
- 25:41So I could see them using him against Michigan and the semi final and
- 25:45it's like, we just need to get to the national championship. Can you
- 25:47just have to get to Game seven? Doesn't matter how how many starters you've
- 25:49used, burn all the arms you can. If I get you there,
- 25:52then you'll figure out game seven. So I think right now you're seeing obviously
- 25:56Trevion and then he'll play a half or ideally, yeah you would play,
- 26:00but then you have Chip, You've got Xavier Johnson, you've got Evan Pryor.
- 26:06I don't think they necessarily I don't think they need to play Dylan.
- 26:10And he's also shown that, Yeah, I can sit a month and you
- 26:11can put me out there and I can go be the most effective running back
- 26:15on the team for you know eleven carries. Yeah, and you know the
- 26:18other thing that goes into that is the idea of putting Himigan in against Michigan
- 26:22if the situation calls for it. If they lose to Michigan, then you're
- 26:26not playing the Big Ten Championship game. You're probably not playing in the playoff,
- 26:29and then you've only got one bowl game left. So then you play
- 26:32him in the bowl game as well. In that case, and if you
- 26:33beat Michigan, well then I would agree with you at least have him in
- 26:37the game plan for the you know, not not to look past Iowa and
- 26:41the Big Ten West in a possible Big Ten championship game. But yeah,
- 26:47I don't. I don't think you're you're necessarily using him there, you know,
- 26:51if if it is a break lass in case of emergency situation, sure,
- 26:56but yeah, I'm I'm with you. I think you it's Michigan,
- 27:00if you know, Michigan if needed, and then a college football plaoff semi
- 27:03final game if needed, and if not, then potentially the one that comes
- 27:07after that. Kavi, we hope we got a couple more. We got
- 27:11three in the queue. Wing man's head, Do we expect those who to
- 27:14go hard to be risky here in the first half, the bench starters for
- 27:18next week even sooner. Yeah, I expect them to be aggressive in the
- 27:21first half. I wouldn't be surprised if they take the ball. I think
- 27:22they were. They didn't mind losing the toss this past week. I think
- 27:27you get as many snaps for the offense as you can, then you get
- 27:30out, You get out of get them out of there, get take the
- 27:33ball, go up and down the field, get them out like there's no
- 27:36reason to defer unless you just want Devin Brown to maybe have an extra snap
- 27:40in the second half. Well, I would not necessarily expect that. I
- 27:44understand thinking there, But how often do you see the starters are in for
- 27:48the first half and the first drive of the second half, and so you
- 27:52get into halftime, I'll just use your score twenty to three, and then
- 27:56you get them in there and either they go down and kick a field goal
- 27:57or they go down and score a touchdown, and it's twenty three to three,
- 28:02twenty seven to three, whatever it is, and then okay, now
- 28:03you're your twice score, you're up three scores. Okay, great, yeah,
- 28:08all right, here we go. Get ready for this one. Stoltz.
- 28:12Do you guys prefer an upright ginley used up them let me clean it
- 28:17up here? You guys prefer an upright used, upright door canister vacuum cleaner
- 28:21with low outs? No, I canister. I mean it's it's easy enough
- 28:30to dump out. I mean I I don't know if people use the bags
- 28:32anymore. Have you ever tried to install a bag? I have, and
- 28:34I did, but that was like twenty something years ago. Yeah, so
- 28:38I figure you just put the whole house vacuum in. Have you seen those
- 28:42with you know that you pull, pull it up, pull the hose out
- 28:45of the wall or whatever, and you're just like, I have seen those.
- 28:48I have never had one thing? So uh yeah, I I we
- 28:52are a canisser household. It's worked just fine. Yeah, exactly, boom,
- 28:56pull it up, pull it out, dump it in, boom,
- 28:59all easy. I've ever bought one used before, which well, I we
- 29:03don't. My sense is my senses. Boy, you you get quite an
- 29:06experience, uh, with dealing with the seller if if that does happen,
- 29:10not used refurbished, are owned, pre owned not recommend I believe also uh
- 29:18pre loved for like clothing, not vacuums. Kevin, Oh boy, Uh
- 29:26last one Odysseus. Which one of you two, Tom or Tony would fare
- 29:30better in a wrestling match with the Gopher mascot Goldie. The Gopher is a
- 29:36Gopher known for wrestling all the better if he's not right. Ever, it
- 29:41feels like you just grab that tail and just start swinging that. I don't
- 29:45I don't know that. I'm not just a regular one. The big blush
- 29:48thing, well, I know, yeah, the big the big blush thing.
- 29:52Yeah, you just grab the tail, be able to lift that the
- 29:55whole maskot up by the tail. The tail's gonna to him. Well,
- 30:00then if you if you get the thing twirling the centripetal force, even when
- 30:04it does rip, you're flying that you you are you are airborne for a
- 30:10while and you don't know where I mean, are we on the sidelines and
- 30:12you're right you know the walls right there. There's there's a lot of bad
- 30:15stuff that could happen, even with a plush head on. But as long
- 30:19as the plush head stays on, maybe they could survive the fall and then
- 30:23they would just give up, like Okay, had enough. You know,
- 30:26the tail could rip off. But also those are not real teeth. Like
- 30:30the teeth look look mean, but I do not believe they are real.
- 30:33Plus teeth, you start whipping somebody with a tail that can still sting,
- 30:37that could put an eye out, even even a fake plush eye. So
- 30:41now I would not want to take on a mascot with googly eyes. That
- 30:44is creepy. Yeah, no, Perdue Pete comes my way. I am
- 30:47running like I'm in a horror movie, and I'm running upstairs like a moron.
- 30:51But I am running upstairs as Perdue Pete is chasing me with his sledgehammer.
- 30:53Not even a question. The good news is Predue Pete can't get up
- 30:56the stairway because of the head, so so that will do it for us.
- 31:02Thank you guys all for your incredible questions. You are all valued parts
- 31:07of the show and we could not do it without you. We will be
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- 31:18they have stupid college basketball on, So the show doesn't start until nine o'clock
- 31:22or sometime after nine o'clock if the first game goes to overtime, which somehow
- 31:26it feels like it does more often than it should. So we'll have We're
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- 31:34the press, the call with the Committee with Heyboo, that starts around nine
- 31:41to forty fives. Well guessing you know, nine to ten fifteen, give
- 31:45or take, should be a should be an interesting week. You know,
- 31:49there was speculation that maybe may o'high take got jumped last week. That did
- 31:53not happen. Georgia had another impressive when Michigan finally played someone. It'll be
- 31:57interesting to see where those three teams you stack up, because our house they
- 32:00had a good win, but not against great competition. So we'll be talking
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