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Alice Cooper Roadie On Near-Fatal Car Crash, 'Toronto Chicken Incident' & More [Episode 342] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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  Speaker 1: Up next, a near fatal car accident, a seance with
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  Speaker 1: Jim Morrison getting high off of banana peals. It's the
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  Speaker 1: original Alice Cooper Group's rise to fame, told by the
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  Speaker 1: man who was there to see it all happen, the
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  Speaker 1: band's original roadie, Mike and Boy Allan.
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  Speaker 2: Rock and roll. I mean, I leave you you're reading.
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  Speaker 1: Little Hands says it's time to rock and roll.
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  Speaker 2: I totally booked.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to book dot Rock, the podcast for those
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  Speaker 1: about to read and rock. And we've got a guest today.
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  Speaker 1: That boy, he's seen some stuff. He's got some stories
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  Speaker 1: to tell. Our guest is Mike Allen, author of Living
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  Speaker 1: and Touring with Alice Cooper and other Stories. Mike, Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Eric. It's a pleasure to be on here.
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  Speaker 1: Just a few weeks back, I had your friend Dennis
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  Speaker 1: Dunaway on the show, and he's the one who suggests you.
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  Speaker 1: Since you got to get Mike and Boy Allen got
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  Speaker 1: to get him on the show. He's got a great book,
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  Speaker 1: great stories.
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  Speaker 2: And we're mutual admiration society. When I wrote my book,
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  Speaker 2: I needed his advice almost constantly. I mean we'd talked
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  Speaker 2: ten times a day, going am I doing this right?
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  Speaker 2: Am I doing anything right? And you go, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: calm down, you have stories to tell stories. And then
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  Speaker 2: I gave him pages to read and he goes, this
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  Speaker 2: stuff is good, keep it up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Well he's the reason you ended up writing
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  Speaker 1: the book in the first place, right, You didn't think
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  Speaker 1: it was going to happen. But he's the one who
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  Speaker 1: encouraged you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was a couple of incidents happened. One was
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  Speaker 2: his book Snakes, Guillotines and Electric Chairs that I picked
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  Speaker 2: up in twenty fifteen, and he was very nice to
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  Speaker 2: autograph it for me, and I read it. I go, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is great. I remember this stuff, and I go, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I remember it this way. There's some more stuff I
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  Speaker 2: could add to it, and things like that. And it
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  Speaker 2: just got me thinking about the band, because when I
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  Speaker 2: left the band in nineteen seventy working for them, I
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  Speaker 2: had to put them out of my mind because I
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  Speaker 2: was twenty three years old and all I could do
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  Speaker 2: was lift and carry things and drive great distances without
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  Speaker 2: going to the bathroom, and so I had to go
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  Speaker 2: to school. So I put the band, all the memories
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  Speaker 2: of the band on hold and his book just brought
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  Speaker 2: it all back. And then I was invited to live
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  Speaker 2: from the AstroTurf the premiere at the movie theater, and
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  Speaker 2: that was amazing. You could just see how they enjoyed
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  Speaker 2: playing again after so many years. And I talked to
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  Speaker 2: Dennis and I said, this is great, and he said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully things will happen. And that was the other one.
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  Speaker 2: In the third time, a funeral that we had. All
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  Speaker 2: the people after the funerals overcome to our house for
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  Speaker 2: a last visit before they took off, and during one
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  Speaker 2: of the conversations, somebody raised their hand and said, who
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  Speaker 2: here used to work for a band? And I normally
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say much. I go, yeah, I did. It
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  Speaker 2: was okay, but because it was a funeral, people wanted
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  Speaker 2: to get their mind on other things. So I started
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  Speaker 2: telling them story after story after story about the band,
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  Speaker 2: and Danny, one of my wife's brothers, spoke up and said,
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  Speaker 2: I've known you for forty years and this is the
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  Speaker 2: first time I ever heard this, and I'm going, nobody
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  Speaker 2: cares about my stories of a or a fifty year
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  Speaker 2: old rock band, and he goes, yes, they do. They
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  Speaker 2: would love to hear these stories. And he said, you
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  Speaker 2: need to write a book. And so about a month
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  Speaker 2: after that, I said, oh, I'll write a book, thinking
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  Speaker 2: i'll put down ten things or something and that'll appease
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  Speaker 2: them and that'll be it. But I just kept writing
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  Speaker 2: and writing and writing and writing, and finally I got
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  Speaker 2: a book out of it.
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  Speaker 1: So when you're writing the book, it's starting to flow
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  Speaker 1: out of you, like more memories are coming back.
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  Speaker 2: It did. It was a cathartic experience. It just came
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  Speaker 2: out of me. And I got a publisher and I'm going,
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  Speaker 2: I've got, you know, one hundred and thirty thousand words,
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  Speaker 2: and I've still got stuff that's coming out of me daily.
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  Speaker 2: And he goes, well, that's all good, but I need
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  Speaker 2: ninety eight thousand words. So I had to cut a
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  Speaker 2: lot of it down and abbreviate some things and take
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  Speaker 2: some things out.
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  Speaker 1: And the cover of the book, there's a story behind that.
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  Speaker 1: You were telling me. It's got that Spider Man almost
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  Speaker 1: looks like a Spider Man costume there, right, that's actually Dennis's.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually us his jacket, spider jacket that Cindy made
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  Speaker 2: for him. And I was having trouble because he said,
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  Speaker 2: you have to come up or the publisher says, now
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  Speaker 2: you have to come up with a book cover, and
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  Speaker 2: I go, oh my, I hadn't even thought about it.
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  Speaker 2: And I started going through the Rema photos that people
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  Speaker 2: had lent me to use for the book, and I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't find one that I like. I said, and I
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  Speaker 2: contacted Dennis and I said, you got anything that might work?
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  Speaker 2: And he says, yeah, let me let me see what
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  Speaker 2: I can come up with. And it was like less
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  Speaker 2: than an hour and he had the cover designed. He
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  Speaker 2: used his Spider Cindy Spider jacket that he wore as
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  Speaker 2: the background, then put a picture of me from the
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  Speaker 2: accident where we rolled over on the freeway.
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  Speaker 1: That's the car accident. Okay, that's what I was thinking.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to that. We're going to get to that story.
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  Speaker 2: And he put the title on it and he sent
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  Speaker 2: it to me and he said how about this, and
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  Speaker 2: I said that's it. And so I have to thank
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  Speaker 2: him for the doing the cover too.
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  Speaker 1: It's perfect. And he wore that jacket while he was
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  Speaker 1: on stage performing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah at the Look. The last time I
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  Speaker 2: believe was at Wembley Stadium. Yeah, boy, I can't remember
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  Speaker 2: the year twenty seventeen, I think where he Alice had
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  Speaker 2: him on for a few songs and he actually we
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  Speaker 2: met up. He came over to our house for dinner
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  Speaker 2: when he was in town, and he wore the jacket
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  Speaker 2: so he could have his so I could have my
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  Speaker 2: picture taken with the book and the jacket. So that
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  Speaker 2: was nice too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool. Well, before we get to your time
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  Speaker 1: with Alice Cooper, let's start just be background. Where are
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  Speaker 1: you from and what led you to Arizona And what
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  Speaker 1: are some of the things you wrestled? A full size bear? Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: when you were in your younger days, girl.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it was just spid thing to do. But he
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  Speaker 2: literally mopped the floor with me in about under five minutes.
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  Speaker 1: That was when you arrived in Arizona, I believe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Where originally from?
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  Speaker 2: Well, my dad was in the military, so I'm originally
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  Speaker 2: from everywhere. I was born in California and actually I
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  Speaker 2: was born outside of Escondido, California. My mom went into
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  Speaker 2: labor at a duck blind because my dad was out
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  Speaker 2: hunting ducks at the time, and she says she was
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  Speaker 2: there to retrieve them and she went into labor and
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  Speaker 2: my dad hadn't gotten his limits to ducks yet, so
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  Speaker 2: he's wondering, could you hold off for a few more
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  Speaker 2: minutes until I get this, And she goes, no, I
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  Speaker 2: need to go to the hospital right now. So went
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  Speaker 2: to the hospital and I was born on November eighth,
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  Speaker 2: which kind of made my dad kind of upset because
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  Speaker 2: he wanted me born on November tenth, which is the
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  Speaker 2: anniversary of the Marine Corps. He wanted to have bragging
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  Speaker 2: rights that I was born on the Marine Corps anniversary
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  Speaker 2: because he was a officer in the Marines for about
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  Speaker 2: twenty one years and when he retired, he wanted to
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  Speaker 2: move to Phoenix because a lot of his Marine Corps
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  Speaker 2: buddies were there, and so we moved to Phoenix, and
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  Speaker 2: thus began the journey.
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  Speaker 1: And you wrestled that full sized bear that you wrestled
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  Speaker 1: was for I remember? Was it for like an auto dealership?
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  Speaker 1: Or no? Was that what it was yet? And yeah
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  Speaker 1: it would but like you say, it is to impress
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  Speaker 1: a girl.
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  Speaker 2: Right, you know, I thought, you know that if I
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  Speaker 2: wrestled a bear and I won, because the price was
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  Speaker 2: if I could do it, if I could pin it,
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  Speaker 2: and under a certain amount of time, I got one
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  Speaker 2: hundred dollars, but if I could pin it within a
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  Speaker 2: shorter amount of time, I got to use car. So
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  Speaker 2: I thought, wait, it was so impressor. And I was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I was six' five AND i played little
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  Speaker 2: football high school and a little, baseball and SO i
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  Speaker 2: thought why? Not AND i was, underage BUT i signed
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  Speaker 2: the permit, anyway allowing me to go out there and get.
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  Speaker 2: Annihilated and he had a muzzle on and that was about,
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  Speaker 2: it and pads on his, feet AND i, thought, well
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  Speaker 2: ALL i got to do is grab, him pull him,
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  Speaker 2: down pin. Him And i've got a car and a
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  Speaker 2: girl who's, going, oh you're so. Cool, yeah none of that.
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  Speaker 2: Happened he pinned me in about oh thirty, seconds now
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  Speaker 2: make it a, minute and he just sat on, me
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  Speaker 2: and the owner of the bear gave him a bottle
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  Speaker 2: of coke to, drink so he just leaned back against
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  Speaker 2: me and drank the coke and got up and walked.
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  Speaker 2: Away and THEN i had to face the, girl and she,
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  Speaker 2: says that was a really stupid thing to, do and
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  Speaker 2: you smell really. BAD i had rolled over something that
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  Speaker 2: the bear had.
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  Speaker 1: Done probably, well you know the REASON i bring it
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  Speaker 1: up is because you, KNOW i just you're the perfect
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  Speaker 1: guy for this job to go on the road With Alice.
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  Speaker 1: Cooper you, KNOW i think you were just you had
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  Speaker 1: the perfect makeup to go into these. Adventures Glenn buxon
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  Speaker 1: was the guy right who the late great Guitarist Glenn
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  Speaker 1: buxon who got you the job With Alex.
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  Speaker 2: Right AND i don't know, why but we hit it
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  Speaker 2: off instantly BECAUSE i was the son of a marine,
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  Speaker 2: officer AND i was taught to behave a certain way with, yes, ma'am, no, Ma'am, yes, sir, no,
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  Speaker 2: sir stand up when somebody comes to talk to, you
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  Speaker 2: and so we were the exact. Opposite glenn smoked and
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  Speaker 2: drank and swore and got a lot of joy out of.
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  Speaker 2: Life and you, KNOW i could stand up and address
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  Speaker 2: a person and say it's nice to meet. You i'm
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  Speaker 2: so happy to be. Here but we just clicked for some.
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  Speaker 2: Reason maybe it was BECAUSE i had a car And
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  Speaker 2: i'd drive him. Everywhere but we'd go in his bedroom
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  Speaker 2: and he would play his guitar for, me and he
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  Speaker 2: would try to teach me how to, play but it
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  Speaker 2: just went way over my. HEAD i wasn't. Ready and
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  Speaker 2: he would play Chet, atkins and he was, going listen
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  Speaker 2: to his, guitar this is the most amazing guitar you'll
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  Speaker 2: ever hear Ched adskins is, playing oh, MAN i can't
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  Speaker 2: remember battle him of A Republican dixie all at the same,
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  Speaker 2: time and he's, going this is the most amazing performance
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  Speaker 2: you'll ever. See and So i'm, going, yeah if you say, So,
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  Speaker 2: GLENN i believe. You And glenn taught the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the band or the rest of the band how to
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  Speaker 2: play their. Instruments you, know some Had dennis played, bass
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  Speaker 2: But glenn showed him How John tatum played guitar a,
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  Speaker 2: little But glenn improved his, playing so he Was he
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  Speaker 2: was basically the father of The earwigs and The spiders
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  Speaker 2: and The naz And Alice.
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  Speaker 1: Cooper, Yeah dennis told that story about it when he
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  Speaker 1: was teaching him how to play. Bass so he's telling,
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  Speaker 1: You glenn's telling, you we got a. Band we need
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  Speaker 1: somebody to take us out and take us out on
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  Speaker 1: the road and set. Up and that's how it all came.
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  Speaker 2: About, yeah we were in college and he, said this
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  Speaker 2: is a strange thing About. Glenn he, goes what kind
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  Speaker 2: of car do you? Have i'm Going, Glenn i've driven
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  Speaker 2: you about one hundred, places AND i, said it's A
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  Speaker 2: fury station wagon nineteen vintage nineteen Sixty plymouth and he, went,
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  Speaker 2: oh that's. Great would you be interested in hauling the band's?
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  Speaker 2: Equipment AND i, go, YEAH i, guess and we'll even pay.
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  Speaker 2: You AND i, said, well that's even. Better and so
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  Speaker 2: he says you got to pass the interview, though AND i, go,
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  Speaker 2: well what do they want THOSE i don't, know but
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  Speaker 2: they may ask you some. QUESTIONS i said. Okay so
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  Speaker 2: we went To, christown which was the first mall enclosed
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  Speaker 2: mall ever built In, arizona and there Was Vince alice
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  Speaker 2: in the Future dennis AND i Believe John. Spear John
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  Speaker 2: spear was, there the original. Drummer and they looked at
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  Speaker 2: me and, said do you want to hauler? Equipment AND
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  Speaker 2: i go, Sure i'm not doing. Anything i'm JUST i
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  Speaker 2: THINK i used the term wasting my way in college right.
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  Speaker 2: Now and they, go, okay you're, hired and then they go
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  Speaker 2: can we walk out and see the van or see the?
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  Speaker 2: VEHICLE i go, Sure SO i took him outside and
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  Speaker 2: showed them The fury and they, go my, god that's
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  Speaker 2: long and, BIG i think you can get us all
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  Speaker 2: in there and the, equipment and then they had, well
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  Speaker 2: let's draw a spider with fangs on. It i'm, thinking
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  Speaker 2: let's not draw a spider with fangs on. It because
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  Speaker 2: the vehicle belonged to my dad and myself both bought
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  Speaker 2: up for me to go to school and him to
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  Speaker 2: go deer hunting in and so.
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  Speaker 1: They were called The spiders at the. Time, Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Spiders they just switched over from The nassa The spiders
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  Speaker 2: and were starting to play at THE Vip. Club and
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  Speaker 2: SO i said, okay not thinking that this was going
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  Speaker 2: to amount too much because they were a local high
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  Speaker 2: school band, basically even though some of them were in.
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  Speaker 2: College and SO i said. Sure AND i never asked
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  Speaker 2: him how much it, paid or WILL i get, paid
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  Speaker 2: or you, know what my duties are or. ANYTHING i
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  Speaker 2: just kind of made it up AS i went.
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  Speaker 1: Along little did you, know but soon you would you
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  Speaker 1: would start toized, like these guys are some something. SPECIAL
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  Speaker 1: i think in the book, too you said these guys were, thin,
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  Speaker 1: man they needed they needed to eat a. Meal they really,
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  Speaker 1: skinny they really.
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  Speaker 2: Were and BECAUSE i think it was they ran. TRACK
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  Speaker 2: i wasn't familiar with that that they'd done track at the.
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  Speaker 2: Time but these guys were like. STICKS i, mean a
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  Speaker 2: good breeze would knock them.
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  Speaker 1: Down alice known for his showmanship in. Theatrics He's Vincent
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  Speaker 1: fernier at the, time but even those early days he
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  Speaker 1: did that stuff like you put a toilet on stage
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  Speaker 1: and threw toilet paper out into the crowd and were.
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  Speaker 2: Looking they were looking for a direction that you, know
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  Speaker 2: and you, know.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about the one where he's reading The bible on, stage.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah it was A i don't think it was A.
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  Speaker 2: BIBLE i think it was a. Hymnal it wasn't that
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  Speaker 2: they used at church were they sang songs and passages
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  Speaker 2: And i'm, going Oh, jesus now we're Bringing god into.
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  Speaker 2: This and he had this voice that he like a
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  Speaker 2: fire And brimstone's preacher during a song and then he
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  Speaker 2: would take The bible and he would slam it down
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  Speaker 2: on a table or the missile rather than splat himnal
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  Speaker 2: and slam it down on a, table and which caused
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  Speaker 2: everybody in the crowd to jump like. This and it
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  Speaker 2: was just one other, things the, toilets. Tires they were
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  Speaker 2: looking for. Something, yeah they loved.
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  Speaker 1: It alice loved. It they loved it when they shocked.
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  Speaker 1: People that was something right away you could. Tell.
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  Speaker 2: Well and one Day alice, said we want to do
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  Speaker 2: ten years time ago by The. YARDBIRDS i, said, great
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  Speaker 2: have that. It go do it what you. Need you
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  Speaker 2: don't need my approval or. Anything so he, goes, no
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  Speaker 2: listen to this middle, part AND i, Go, okay it's
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of traffic noise and and car horns and.
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  Speaker 2: STUFF i want to duplicate that on, Stage so you
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  Speaker 2: do it for. ME i, Go i'm not an expert in.
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  Speaker 2: ELECTRONICS i, Said i'll give it a. Shot SO i
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  Speaker 2: went to the junkyard and bought a car, horn steering
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  Speaker 2: wheel and horn and tied it all together with the
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  Speaker 2: battery and they just had to put a microphone down.
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  Speaker 2: There and by, golly at. Worked he went around driving
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  Speaker 2: this this car, horn hitting the horn and it would
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  Speaker 2: be going off and then the band would be like,
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  Speaker 2: yeah making all the rest of the noise behind. IT
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  Speaker 2: i think he used it.
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  Speaker 1: Twice that's, Great that is. Great how did the band sound? Musically?
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  Speaker 2: Oh they were. TIGHT i mean these guys most of
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  Speaker 2: the local bands in town at that. Time, WELL i
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  Speaker 2: won't say, WELL i will say most they did a
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  Speaker 2: set and it was the same songs over and over
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  Speaker 2: and over. Again they had hundreds of, songs and they
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  Speaker 2: would do a, set maybe three three sets a, night
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  Speaker 2: and then do entirely different songs every. TIME i mean
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  Speaker 2: it went From Paul Butterfield East west to a psychotic
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  Speaker 2: reaction by the count, five to something by The hood
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  Speaker 2: or something by The, stones a lot of stuff by The. Yardbirds,
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  Speaker 2: well funny story about The yardbird The. Yardbirds Jack, curtis
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  Speaker 2: who owned THE Vip, club hired The yardbirds to come
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  Speaker 2: and play with THE vip and on The, marquee the
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  Speaker 2: spiders got h top billing over The yardbirds and we're
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  Speaker 2: Talking Jeff beck and and other people. Playing and then
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  Speaker 2: when The yardbirds came out and started playing THE i was, Going,
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  Speaker 2: hey they're playing the spiders. Songs what's going on. Here
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  Speaker 2: they had a clue that the spiders were doing yardbird
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  Speaker 2: songs and they thought The yardbirds were doing spider.
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  Speaker 1: Songs, yeah so they were developing a. Following oh, yeah
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: oh they.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Were they were number. One Well i'm sure they'll get
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: opinions from other, people but they were number one In.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: ARIZONA i mean they were they were ruled the roost
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: because they were. Inventive they had huge repertoires that appealed to,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: everybody and they put on a, show be it with
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: toilets or old fences OR i. Mean they built this
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: enormous wheel called the Electro Lucent Mine.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: MACHINE i was going to ask you about, that the Electroluci,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: mimi also known As Big joe.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Yep and THEY i doesn't have anything much to to
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: do with. It they built this, tower put this huge
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: round eight sheet of eight sheet eight foot sheet of,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: plywood and decorate it with colored paint and phosphorescent paint
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: and luminescent. Paint and they even painted their faces with luminescent.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Paint and it was my job to hold it down
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: because it was unstable because you have this eight foot
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: thing wobbling on a narrow, stand and SO i grabbed
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: that thing on for dear life around it when it,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: played because it was right beneath the drummer and he
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: was always looking over his. Shoulder is that thing going
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: to come loose and cut my head? Off and everybody
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: was worried about that. Too but it was a pretty impressive.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Achievement so it's pretty quick that you started to realize
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: these guys are serious about taking this all the. Way
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: they're more than just a local.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: BAND i never knew if they were serious because they
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: always looked like they're having so much fun and they
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: were throwing you, know if you're going to take the band,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: serious here they are throwing rolls of toilet paper at the. Audience, Right, well,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: okay that's that's. Serious that that isn't, serious that's like
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: having fun or yeah it. Was it. Was it was
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: just a good.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Time were there any conversations that you'd be privy to
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: that they're talking, about, like you, know we got this
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: is what we got to do to make?
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: It? Yeah oh. Sure and they, said you, know we
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: got a couple of records here and we're The. Spiders
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: we may not do any better than The arizona. Market
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: if we want to go someplace and be, somebody we
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: got to go To. California and so they said you
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: want to go with, us AND i, said oh, sure you,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Know i'll go for a, weekend what the? Heck and
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: so they went for a. Weekend and by this time
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: they had a business manager name Of Dick christian and
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: he had a bunch of cards made up and a
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: couple of, tapes and he went around and spread him
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: out to all the, clubs and we stayed there for a.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Weekend the first the first, night some guy we met
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: at a show, said, oh, yeah you can come stay with.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: US i stay with, him and we did for one
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: night until somebody ate his iguana's bananas from the, refrigerator
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: so he threw us up the next. Day but it
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: was it was things like, that the. Unexpected well here's
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: this guy who doesn't know. Us here's eight, People, yeah
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: eight of us all crammed into his, apartment and he's
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: on the phone talking to late night Television i'm sorry
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: radio saying, YEAH i met a group called The spiders,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: today and the announcer to go come. Back, well, yeah
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: you'd better get some spray and kill those. Buzzs he, Goes,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: no they're a. Band so here they are, here they
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: are getting publicity on a talk show and they've only
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: been there for eight hours or. So. Wow so so.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: You'd go there and then come back To arizona and
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: then go back To way just kind of.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Back and forth for a few times until they decided
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: we're going to do it for, real and so they
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: had to change their name because there was like seven
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: other groups called The spiders out, there and so they
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: came up with a. Name according To Tody, muller who
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: was a good friend of the band and drove part
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: of the band To albuquerque when they Played, albuquerque and
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: when they were coming, Home alice was thinking Of vince
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: was thinking up name and he's going Jazzaz navs and he, GOES,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: nas that's a clever. SONG i never clever. Name and
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: plus it was used by The yardbirds that might have influenced.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Him but he says The. Navs so he told the
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: rest of the, guys how about The? Navs and they,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: go how about The? Navs that's nobody's going to have that.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Name so they went To california as The, naz only
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: to learn about three months later there was already another
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: group called The naz With Todd rugan who had an
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: album And Hello i'm here or there or. Something, hello it's.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Me that's. It let's packed the drawing. Board, yeah it
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: was back to the drawing, board but along the way
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: is The. Nas they met the manager of The Cheetah
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: club and she took a liking to them and almost
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: pretty much made them their how The Cheetah club's house
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: ban and so we had a place to. Stay we
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: stayed at her house for a, while and then we
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: rented a place In Venice, Beach, yeah for a, while
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: and then we got to go to The chambers brother's
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: house because they had a big hit with time and
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: so they let us stay there until the neighbors told
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: us that we better leave because they felt that our
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: safety was in. Jeopardy so it didn't take that to
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: get me on a newspaper looking, for you know where
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: else to go and that that and vote then we
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: went into To Pega, canyon.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Right that's when you changed it To Alice. Cooper, yeah,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: okay what's the story about, that because you were there
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: When vince at the. Time Then vince suggested. It what
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: led him to that?
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Name, Yeah, well this was In. Phoenix we've come back To.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Phoenix we were living at The, panga but we came
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: back because oh, well first of, all the drummer, Left
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: John spear of The. Drummer this was In november of sixty,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: seven and that caused they big up people with the
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: band because they were the nas without the. Drummer, Luckily
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Neil smith was, available so he came and joined the
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: group and they played one time at The Pa Cheetah,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: CLUB i believe With, neil and then they left and
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: we went back To phoenix so that they Could neil
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: could learn the songs and get comfortable with playing with
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: the band and things like. That and also there was
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: a club that was going to be opened in the
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: name Of Alice cooper By Jack. Curtis he was going
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: to call it The Alice Cooper, club and he did
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: call it The Alice Cooper. Club so we went back
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: with in mind to go see the club, opening AND
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: i think they possibly and they played there. Too so
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: we're going back to To pega. Again and this was
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: On april. Twelve they had time to get change of
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: clothes and gather up all the foods from all the
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: houses and we took off On april, twelfth and that's
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: when the accident.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Happened, yeah that was nineteen sixty.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Eight Sixty april, twelfth nineteen sixty.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Eight, YEAH i want to ask you about Sorry.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: March's, Yeah March march, TWELFTH i, think, yeah all, right.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: But it was sixty, Eight but, YEAH i WANT i
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: want to ask you about. That we'll get to. That
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: but getting back to the so, okay so now they
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: want to chat to The Alice cooper club that inspired.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Well, oh you wanted to know how they came out
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: with Any alice approached the band and, said how About Alice?
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Cooper and they, go, well, okay what About Alice. COOPER
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: i don't think it was a big. HIT i, was you,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: KNOW i was there witnessing all it. All but they're,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: going maybe another nay might be AND i Think glenn
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: came up with something called Husky Baby, sandwiches which was,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: funny but they didn't go for. THAT i came up
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: with something called colonial aggressions because that was a psychological,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: term AND i thought maybe that they might like, that
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: and they don't. Know it sounds too much Like Paul
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: riger and The. Raiders and then they thought About Alice
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: cooper and he, goes imagine, this the band's Called Alice
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: cooper and five guys walk out on. Stage the crowds
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: are going to go, under Where's Alice? Cooper What's Alice cooper?
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Is did they have a? Fight did they she break
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: break up from the? Group and they said it has
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: possibilities that you go out there with a pull some
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: name Like Alice cooper and and people would be interested in.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Her people would be at least caused something in their
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: brain to click and, go why is this band Called Alice?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Cooper there's no girl up? There and the more they
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: thought about, it the more they liked. It they, go
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: you know, this this just might be. It and Then Bonnie,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: phillips who were this, all came about. It Dick christian's,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: house sister's house, place and so she, said let me
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: break out The weedi. Board, okay what we? Board and
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: so she and SOMEBODY i think it Was alice or
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: SOMETHING i might have, been said Is Alice cooper a good?
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Name and you could almost See alice grabbing the thing
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: and moving it over to the. Side oh well you
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: make hit. RECORDS i can See Alice cooper, again you,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: know putting it on the other. Side and, look The
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: luigi board likes. It.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Right i'm not moving.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: IT i don't know how this has, Happened AND i,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: said AND i asked him find this out for. Me
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: WELL i ever get Paid and Immediately randa's, no, okay it's.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Real Alice cooper initially was to be a.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Witch it was going to be like a. Character this
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: was something that was just. Developed after. It after, it
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: the guys just got together and just, said we need a.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Backstory you, know it just can't Be Alice, cooper the
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: non existent. Person there has to be a. Backstory so
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: they came up with us this witch, thing that she
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: was A i don't, know you can pick your. Century
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: it's been all. Used fifteenth, sixteen seventeenth century rich who
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: was accused of, witchcraft who was condemned to, death and
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: she was either drowned or hanged or burned Or i've
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: seen in various articles all these different stories about one
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: she was hanged and then she was, burned or once
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: she was drowned and then she was hanged or, something
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: and that the main thing was that they she swore
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: a vengeance against all the descendants of all these people
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: and would get even with them. Someday and then When
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: joey And shep came on, board they heard the backstory
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: and they, go oh, man this could be. Good they developed,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: it so suddenly the whole band was. REINCARNATED i may
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: get these things, wrong But Mike bruce was the. Minstrel
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: neil was The Warrior. King dennis was the, poet and
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: that was about. It oh And glenn was The Black.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: KNIGHT i think that was how it went. Down and
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: so they worked. On joey And chef put out a
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: publicity thing saying this is a true story Of Alice,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: cooper and of course some of the newspapers picked it
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: up and, said, yeah there's a witch and A cpa
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and a lawyer and somebody else in there, too a
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: warrior king and stuff like. That so it hit the
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: papers and it didn't really last maybe four or five
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: or six. MONTHS i, mean the band never said we're
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: any of these. Things it was just brought up by
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: they read articles in the newspaper and things like that about, yeah,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: hey you guys are all been. Reincarnated, now, yeah, yeah
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: we're all. Reincarnated but it was not that big a,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: deal but it did get out there and people did
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: did find it on in newspapers and articles and.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Stuff you Mentioned joey And. Chapman those are the, managers,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Right Chef gordon And Joey Greenberg, greenberg, yeah. Yeah, now
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: and then just Eventually Vincent fernio just kind of falls into,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: it takes on that character and eventually changes his name
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Legally Dallas.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Cooper, well, yeah it almost had to be because especially
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: with the witch, thing well who's the, Witch well it's
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: got to Be Alice, cooper and this guy looks Like Alice.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Cooper he's the lead. Singer so it was like day
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: one it was ordained That vince was going to be
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: The Alice cooper because the others were The Warrior king
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: and the whatever whatever.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Whatever there was an, accident car, accident catastrophic they could
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: have the end of the band in nineteen Sixty so
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: let's get to. That and by the, way we also
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: we're going to get to The Frank zapple part of the.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Story that's coming up, too so we get to. That but,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: yeah what happened with this accident in nineteen sixty, Eight.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Well LIKE i, said it was In, April april, sixth
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: we went back to attend the opening Of Alice cooper The,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: club which only lasted three, months but they stuck, around,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: recorded Got neil up to speed on some on the,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: music and we were supposed to return on the, eleventh
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: but by the time everybody got together it was it
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: was after midnight on the. Twelfth excuse, ME i was
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: driving the, van and everybody and all the equipment poured
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: in and off we, went and leaving it after midnight
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: on the, twelfth and we got to The San Bernardino
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: freeway and rush hour traffic wasn't as busy as it is,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: now but it was still getting to be rush hour
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: at six six point thirty whenever the time. Was AND
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: i was driving along and suddenly there was a freeway
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: opened up all the way for it looked like miles
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: and there was nobody behind. ME i was just in
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: my lane doing absolutely, nothing going, man this is. GREAT
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: i can take this all the way to The penga
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: and you, know no. Stress And dennis was just about
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: ready to walk up and ask me IF i needed a,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: break and WHICH i would have, said, No we're only thirty.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Minutes went away from where we. Were then, alongside AND
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: i don't know how or why or why this, happened
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: a forward maijor yellow station wagon with fake wood trim
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: pulled up alongside of, me about the middle of their
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: car with the front of my car and came right
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: over into my, lane causing me to jerk the wheel
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: hard to the left or the. RIGHT i can't the
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: other left and all the equipment and all the people in,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: there and the vand started rotating and THEN i tried
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: to straighten it up AND i hit an embankment and
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: it just went stopped and just went rolling down the.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Freeway and the number of ROLLS i don't. Know i've
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: heard three to five by the band. Members BUT i
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: went out through the front windshield AND i was still
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: strapped to my. Seat oh. Wow because thankfully my parents
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: before we went over that gave me a set of
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: seat belts to install in that. BAND i did a
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: crummy job installing on my install them to the, seat
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: but it saved my life because when the seat went,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: out the seat belts went with me and held me
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: on the seat WHEN i went out through the. Windshield
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: and when the police saw, ME i, WAS i don't,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: know twenty feet down the road, unconscious BUT i didn't
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: have a mark on me AND i was still strapped
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: to the. Seat. Wow everybody else, was you, know had
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: got hit by amplifiers and drums And Dick christian took
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: as symbol to the back of the, head which caused
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: a big gash in his head and needed. Stitches neil
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: told me the last time we had dinner that he
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: was forced onto the ground with his head turned to
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: the road because they were literally the. Road the roof
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: was on top of the road and it was reaching
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: down the. Highway and he said he was death in
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: one year because of. That noise just penetrated his head
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: and he couldn't get out from it under the equipment
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: or the bodies on top of. Him.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: WOW i mean lucky to be, alive.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: ABSOLUTELY i, Mean alice to this day says it's a
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: miracle And i've Got i've got no proof, otherwise you.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Know and the other other, thing as my mom before
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: we took, off gave me A Saint christopher's metal AND
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: i put it in the visor and unfortunately the visor
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: broke off during the fall and never could find the metal.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Again but you, know but, yeah it. Was it. Was
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: if you've seen the pictures from the, book you, Know
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: tudy came over and took those pictures for the insurance.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Company it was some of the pictures looked like there
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: was a nightmare in. There that right terribly.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Wrong so you shot through the, windshield.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Yep, well luckily the First i'm ASSUMING i don't know
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: when it, happened but the windshield blew, out.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Okay AND i was thankfully because otherwise your head would
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: have gone through the. Glass.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Right the windshield blew. Out it took half the rear
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: view mirror with, it so that may have helped me.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Too AND i just went did a. FLIP i GUESS
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: i just did a flip and landed on the back
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: of the seat and just scooted it. Along you. Know
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: it was amazing because they unbuckled me and told me
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: to go stand over, there and the police, did and
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: SO i went and. Stood you, KNOW i was completely
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: out of. IT i didn't know what was going on
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: because you, Know i'd just been in a car. Accident
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: no broken, bones, no, no. NOTHING i DIDN'T i you,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: KNOW i was stiff and sore and achy for. Weeks
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: BUT i don't THINK i had to cut on BECAUSE
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: i was wearing a sweater And levi's and. Shoes you.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Know none of the guys had broken bones and.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: No just bruises and.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Contusions how soon after did you get back on to the.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: STAGE i mean they went right back at it or
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: were they in the hospital for a bit or what was?
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: There we all got an ambulance ride to the to the,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: hospital and everybody saw us and gave us a clean
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: bill of. HEALTH i don't know how we got. HOME
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: i don't know who picked us, up who got us.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: HOME i just know that some time, later maybe a
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: couple of, days when everybody was functioning properly in their,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: heads they they all had a band meeting and they,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: said all our equipment has. Gone neil's drums are, Smashed
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: dennis's bay was broken, into and what do we Do
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: we give up and break up or go home and
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: try to, reorganize or do we stick this out here
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: and hope for the. Best there was going to be
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: some insurance money, coming but they were going to take
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: their sweet time and getting it to. Us and to a,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: man they, said let's stay and stick this thing out
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: because WE i think it Was alice who said we
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: don't know how to do anything, else and that was
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: prophetic at the. Time And alice AND i got jobs
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: at a button factory up and up the hill the
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: waves with a great big view Of, malibu and we
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: made buttons to earn, money and other, people you, know helped,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: out And tuty came over and you, know with food
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: and and good good and stuff like, that and stayed
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: around and took us places because we didn't have a
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: car or a vehicle at all at the, time AND
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: i needed to take pictures to show the insurance company
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: and things like, that and she was right there helping.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Out what a.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Story and you were going to work at the button
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: factory to come up with money to get new instruments, too, Right.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah the money we, MADE i think we got our first.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Check it was seventeen, dollars so it was just something
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: that basically put in our. Pocket the money did come,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: out but it came out not in one big. Chunk
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: it came out IN i, believe like Four so their
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: equipment wasn't too badly. Damaged the, amplifiers the drums were
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: smashed beyond all. Smithereens and who really helped out Is Sidney.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Smith she gave up her job or a career in fashion.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Design she was ready to head out To europe to
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: become a fashion designer because she got a, scholarship and
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: she dropped everything and came To panga to take care
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: of us and to get a job and help pay
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: herself while we were. There and it was an amazing
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: sacrifice to.
• 43:25
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  Speaker 1: what you want to Be listen with. Confidence Mike alleni's
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: the author Of living And touring With Alice cooper and other.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Stories Frank zapp find the Original Alice cooper band to
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: his Label Straight records in the late. Sixties and you,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Say frank was nothing like what he appeared to. Be
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: he looked like your typical hippie. Freak he just wanted
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: to get. Stone what was your impression of, Him.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah that was exactly. It i'm going to this. GUY i, mean,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: sure you ran The mother's in, invention but those were
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: what you would call freaks in the day of the.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Sixties and you, know they went to other record companies
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: trying to get a contract and they were all turned.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Down one was very, promising except they had sort of
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: a hidden, agenda and that was to Replace alice with
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: the lead singer of the well they did talk talk time,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: machine mind machines, something music, Machine, okay, Yeah and they
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: wanted the band that backed up the lead singer whose
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: NAME i cannot think, of from the Music machine left the,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: group and so this guy wanted to hire The Alice
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Cooper band to be their, backup to be the backup
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: group that played with the lead singer of a music,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: machine and they and the band said, no we're not
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: doing that at.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: All so.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: It all came about strangely, enough is That Miss, christine
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: who was one of the, GTOs was living with The
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: zappas at the time and talked Up alice To Frank
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: zappa and she, Said zappu wants to see, you and they, said,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: well we're playing at The Cheetah club all the, time
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: so have him come down there and come and see
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: a live. Performance and rumor got back That frank was,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: there but he left before the group ever came, out
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: and So Miss christine, said, Well frank can see you
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: at seven, o'clock And alice took that to mean seven
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: o'clock in the. Morning AND i THINK i was the
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: only one that was going what self respecting band group
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: gets up at seven.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: O'clock they're usually going to sleep at seven o'clock in the.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Morning if you Were Glenn, buckston that's what you. Did
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: it didn't make any sense to, me but they were so.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Enthusiastic Frank zapp was going to see us at seven
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: o'clock in the. Morning but, ANYWAY i, said, okay you,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: know so we're driving at the freeway at six thirty
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: or whatever it, was to The pancake sort Of Laurel,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: canyon to the Old Tom mixed estate Where frank lived
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: with His White gail And Moon. Unit and so we
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: pull up there and it's like storming the beach At.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Normandy everybody grabs a piece of equipment and runs up the,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: stairs knocks on the, door And gayle just happened to
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: be up and she opens the door and says, hello
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: and the band just rushed right in and set right
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: up in an alcove at the bottom of the, stairs
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: And gail, saying Miss, christine Take Moon unit out of,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: here because these guys are going to, play and so she,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: does and she Miss stein's given the band the old.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Stink i'm, going what are you doing? Here and we're
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: and they're paying no attention to. Her they're setting up
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: and they start, playing and in about five, minutes you,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Know frank opens the door and he sticks out his
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: and he goes like making it up and down gesture
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: saying stop the love Of god and. Stop and he
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: comes out and he, says who are you? Guys and
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: they're going Where Alice. Cooper you're supposed to see us
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: today at seven? Am and he goes at SEVEN a
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: that's seven pm tonight and he, goes all, right let
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: me have some coffee And I'll i'll come out And
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: i'll listen to. You and he comes out and has
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: his coffee and he sits on the stairs up on.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Top he, goes he goes play a song and they play.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: SOMETHING i can't remember which one it, was but they
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: play it and he, Goes, OKAY i like you, Guys
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: i'm going to talk to, you but it's going to
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: be in the. Afternoon i'm going to have Miss christine
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: call you and tell you WHEN i want to talk
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: to you in the. Afternoon we all clear on the.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Afternoon and they, go, Yes, Frank we're all clear on the.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Afternoon so they go home back to the panga and
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: they wait around in about three or four, Days Miss
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: christine calls and, Says frank wants to see you and
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: write this. Down frank wants to see you at two
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: o'clock in the. Afternoon repeat that to, me And alice.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: GOES i think it might have Been i'll, Say, alice
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: he probably picked up the phone and said two o'clock
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: in the, afternoon and then they met and it all became.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: History at two o'clock in the. Afternoon the rest is.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: History, yeah so much has written about the late. Sixties
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: in the late sixties In la to tell me about
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: smoking a banana. Peal this led to the term mellow.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Yellow yeah.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: It the group was into, marijuana but most some of them,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: were some of them. Weren't and they heard that bananas
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: were the next, great next big. Thing And i'm, going, oh, geez,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah i'm going, Guys i'm thinking to, myself this isn't
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: going to work out well for. You there's nothing here,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: bananas you. Know SO i, said they're going to. Try
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: and so In california after this, broke you couldn't get
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: a banana for the love of. Money so they went
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: back To phoenix and then they bought some bananas and
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: they scraped the pith or whatever the white stuff off
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: the banana, peel and they put it in a on
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: a tray and they put it in and oven and
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: they cooked it and then they rolled it up and
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: they start smoking, it and they, go is anything. Happening,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: NO i don't feel. Anything anything? Happening? Nah. Nothing somebody, said,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah i'm feeling something. Really oh, yeah me. Too, YEAH
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: i almost my. God you, know, guys this is a placebo.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Effect read. It, look LOOK i studied this in, science,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: okay and they tried it for a couple of. Days but,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: yeah twenty pounds of bananas that we all had to.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Eat but you, know it was something they tried and it. Failed.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah is that where The donovan Is Donovan Mellow? YELLOW
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: i do not, know.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: YOU'LL i guess you'll have to slip because he. KNOWS
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: i guess that's. Right it possibly could. Be it came
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: out at the same time they call it mellow.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Yellow, hey, guys we'll get back to the. Show but
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• 52:32
  Speaker 1: talk about the time the band experimented with the. Occults
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: this is when you were living At Tapanga canyon and
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: there was a seance With Jim morrison and he gets freaked. Out.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah first of, all the occult is a word that
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: they use on, it thinking that we were All satanists or.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Something it. Wasn't it was basically we invited a bunch of. Guys,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Morrison Robbie, Kreeger Paul.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Rothschild Oh rothchaw was their, Manager.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Wasn't He he Owned Electorate?
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Records oh, Yes i'm. Sorry, Yeah And.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: David, crosby AND i believe the guy For, Love Arthur. Lee,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: YEAH i believe he was there. Also and we're going
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: this was the lean years where food was a precious
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: commodity that we didn't have very, often and we're, going
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: how are we going to feed these? Guys we've got
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: half a bag of potato chips between. Us And, norma
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: who was a friend of the, band was there and, said,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: well why don't why DON'T i hold a? Seance and
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: the band's going a? Seance what the you? Know what
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: what is a? Seance and she's, going, well it's WHERE
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: i summon up spirits and they talk and and everybody's
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: looking at one, another going to say out and we're
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: going to do As these guys weren't into the occult at.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: All they didn't you, know you, know we didn't even
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: know our zodiac. Signs but tell you how lame we
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: were or how cool we. Were but she, Said i'll
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: do it. All and she, said, okay we're going to
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: have a, seance and they notified. Everybody instead of, food
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: we're going to have a, seance and everybody, said, okay,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: great we'll do. That and So norma came and finished
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: the finished out the basement WITH i don't, know dead
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: shrubbery and black candles and some sort of bowl that
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: looked like blood but it was probably syrup or. Something
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: AND i set that in the middle of a not a.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: PENTAGRAM i think it was a, circle and she was
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: dressed as like a monk with a hood and. Stuff
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: and they came down and they all gathered around for the,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: seance and there was a limited room down, there so
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: there wasn't all the band members didn't go down. THERE
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: i Think alice may have gone down, There Mike, bruce
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe neil went down there and joined in on the.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Seance and one THING i needed to bring up right
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: now before we go any. Further in our, closet we
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: were paranoid from the police because we have gotten stopped
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: more times Than i've got toes and fingers and hands and,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: memories and so we were paranoia the. Police so they,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: said let's build an escape. Patch and once, Again i'm,
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: going you want to build an escape? Patch, yes it'll
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: take us down in the, basement and we'll escape through
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: the outer. DOOR i, said that's right next to the front.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Door they go. ANYWAY i think they liked me BECAUSE
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: i was a sensible. One and, anyway they cut a
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: hole in the closet and built this trap door and
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: put the wood back and framed it so that people
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: could walk in there without tripping over. Themselves and. Falling
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: so the night of the seance we removed the trap
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: door because myself And charlie wanted to Watch norma dor.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Stuff and nobody thought she was going to produce any.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Spirits they just, thought, well maybe a good time would
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: be had here in her trying could and she was doing.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: GREAT i mean she was wailing and making eye contact
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: mostly With momarson and, saying is there a spirit in
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: the room or wants to talk to? US i feel
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: your presence AND i know you want to say some
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: things spirits. Speak just about that very moment in, Time
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Glenn buckston decided to walk in through the closet where
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: the hatch was removed and fell directly onto the middle
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: of the circle where the seunds was. Going AND i
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: thought for a moment they had brought a lot of
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: women down, there because all of a sudden you heard
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: this screaming like little, girl yeah, Yeah and people are
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: running around in the, dark knocking over the candles and
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: trying to get outside and. Stuff and Because, glenn when,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: provoked can be a harbinger of bad, news and he
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: was swearing like nobody's. Business you, know he wasn't, hurt
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: BUT i mean anybody went through that would have been
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: screaming and yelling and cursing. Too so people were going
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: out and wondering if they need to bring an extra
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: change of. Underwear but that was that was a. Seance
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: it broke up quickly after.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: That morrison got pretty.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Spooked oh, yeah WELL i Think glenn tells the story
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: that he landed On morrison or in front of, him
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: are on his legs or something like. That, yeah and
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: the lights went, out and you, know because she was
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: SAYING i need a, SON i showed me a sign
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: and Then glenn just drops out of the ceiling right
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: into the middle of.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: It.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Wow, yeah it was something to. Behold And charlie AND
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: i are you, know we're looking at each other, going
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: what the heck just? Happened Maybe glenn was someone, right
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: BUT i don't. Die but he just walked right in
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: there because He glenn likes to borrow clothes and never return.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Them that's one of his. Idiosyncrasy if he wants something
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: and he doesn't see it in his, wardrobe he'll go
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: to somebody else's wardrobe and get. It we think that's
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: what happened is he went in to get some clothes
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: because there was four of us living in this one
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: room where the closet with the hole where the trap
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: door was. Put SO i, BELIEVE i thoroughly, believe not
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: to ruin a good story that he was summoned by the,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: devil but he was in there to get some clothes for.
• 59:34
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  Speaker 1: back to the. Show all, Right SO i got to
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: ask you about The Toronto rock And Roll Revival september
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty. Nine this is part Of Alice Cooper. History
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: the doors were, There Bo, Diddley Chuck Berry. Chicago John
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: lennon was there. Too the band knows that if they
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: do well, here more bookings are going to be coming
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: in large. Venues so this is a big. Deal now
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: in the, book you write, quote we prepared for the
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: show by packing several feather pillows and co two fire.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: EXTINGUISHERS a chicken would be arriving. Later, alice, however wanted something,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: more something, special but he didn't know. What, okay so
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: there are myths out there regarding what, happened what Role alice.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Played take us through that night and tell us what
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: really went.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Down, okay do you want me to tell? You first of,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: all we went out and found first or go right to, Say,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: Well alice was looking for something, spectacular because he, says
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: this is this is our make or break. Moment there's
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: going to be tons of millions of people, there and
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: we want to do the best show we. Could SO i, said,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: well we're Downtown. Toronto let's walk around and see if
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: there's anything that you could. Find and So allis AND
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: i went walking Around toronto and we finally ended up
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: in A Toronto Army navy surplus store and we're looking
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: At canadian. Flags i'm, going you, know this shows a little.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Patriotism you start waving A canadian flag at the, end
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: people get excited and they start. Cheering he, goes well,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Maybe and then he's looking at uniforms he could dress
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: up as A canadian. Soldier and then he saw a
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: sword AND i, go no more swords were goad already
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: been stabbed and he already uses the sword. Enough and
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: so then he laid et on this, pistol on this
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: pistol in a glass, case and he asked the store
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: owner what is? That and he says it's A Briggs
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: BRITISH uk flare. Pistol and he's, going what CAN i
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: do with? That and it just all clicked. Together we
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: get the flare, Pistol we shoot off a flair at
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: the end of the. Show it lights up the sky like.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: Fireworks it comes slowly down in a. Parachute people will
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: be talking about this for years and they. Did and then,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: okay and that's what we. Got and he, said And
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: i've been raised around guns all my, life being coming
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: from a military, family BUT i never out of. Flairpists
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: AND i, Said alice you need to test this thing
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: out before before you shoot. It and so we went
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: up to our hotel. Room we removed the screen from the.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Glass we were on like the fourth or fifth, level
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: and they, said Ok alli. SUDDEN i, said here's what you.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Do you climb out on your back outside the window
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: and fire off the flare gun and so you can
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: get the feel of, it the kick of it and all.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: That and he, Goes i'm not doing, that and he,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Goes i'd be nuts to climb out of this window
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: on the ledge or on my back out. There Says,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: mike you do, It and for a split SECOND i
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: thought he was hopefully he was talking To Mike, bruce
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: but he. Wasn't he was talking to. Me and it
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: made little. Sense BECAUSE i was six. FIVE i could
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: scoot out on my window and not fall through the.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Window SO i put a window on there AND i,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: said everybody grab a hold of me at the proper,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: times AND i scooted out past my. Back we were
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: about five stories high with nothing below me but, concrete
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: and they handed me the flare pistol AND i judged
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: that there was a park right next, door and IF
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: i held the gun at a certain angle and clear
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: the ledge that overhanged the, roof and SO i fired it.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: Off it went straight up in the air and it
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: lit up the sky like the sun had just come,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: out and everybody is, going oh my, god this is
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: going to be absolutely. Amazing, Meanwhile i'm yelling pull me,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: in pull me, in Because i'm sitting out there in
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: the middle of a lit sky with a gun in
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: my hand and six five or six stories. Up so
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: they yanked me, in and everybody's high five and one.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: Another if they did that back then, going this will
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: be the coupdi gras or the finish that we've been looking. For,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: okay now onto the chicken. STORY a lot has been
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: made about the chicken being torn apart and torn to
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: pieces and shredded and got the made the newspapers around
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: the world That alice did all sorts of things like
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: it just got bigger and bigger and. Bigger he bitched
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: the head, off if he drank the drank the blood from,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: it he threw it, out and the crowd tore it to. Pieces,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: well none of that. Happened i'm. Sorry it makes a great,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: story but it didn't. HAPPEN i, mean One canadians are
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: two nice and. Two next time you go to a grocery,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: store buy a whole chicken and try and rip it
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: apart at the, store well maybe you should buy it,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: first get home and make a concerted effort to try
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: and rip this dead chicken. Apart it didn't. Happen it
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: all led up to fifteen minutes of hector chaotic feathers
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: co two tanks blowing the feathers out in the. Audience
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: oh there was one other THING i should. Mention the
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: hospital was allowed to set a bunch of kids in
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: wheelchairs right down below the, stage and there was nurses
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: there to take care of the. Children there's probably maybe
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: ten children in wheelchairs and the. Nurses when they went
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: off the, feathers all the feathers blew off and covered
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: the kids and the nurses with chicken. Feathers oh my.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: God and they were just loving. IT i, mean the
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: nurses were just laughing and the kids versus you, know
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: they had the best. Time which earlier they had cause
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: for alarm Because Neil smith climbed up the speaker cabinets
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: leading leading straight up and began to sway back and
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: forth where the children and the nurses were so the
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: nurses made a beeline for the kids and dragged them
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: their wheelchairs all out of the, wave and Then neo
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: climbed back down and then the end was just all
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: these chicken feathers and everything just strewn over all these
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: kids and nurses and blown out into the, audience and
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: then the crud de gras after that was coming out
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: with a flare. PISTOL i Told alice how to use.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: It For god's, sakes please don't shoot it under the.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: Canopy make sure you're out of the. Canopies, range aim,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: it fire, it and see what. Happens and he did.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Perfectly he went beyond the, canopy lifted the gun, up fired,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: it and it went straight up in the. AIR i
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: mean we're talking three hundred maybe four hundred. Feet it
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: just went up in the, air went up in the
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: air and just blew into this huge orange, glow and
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: then it proceeded straight down like a. Rocket the parachute
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: failed open and got burned up in its rapid, descent
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: and the crowd from going oh woo, yay it was
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: going oh my. God and they formed a giant circle
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: and the thing came straight down kit ignited into a
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: little flame and some guy with booths came out and
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: spumped it, out and then there was this moment of
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: silence or of, relief and then the crowd went nuts
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: and the guy came out and Went Alice, cooper, Everybody Alice.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Cooper the microphone wasn't really working properly because during the
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: song they destroyed everything on stair on. Stage they threw
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: a watermelon it, out they kicked a, football they did
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: everything they could to build up, excitement and the, uh
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: the microphone was shorting out because right After Alice, cooper,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: Everybody Alice. Cooper He mike showed it out and he,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: went what the hell is that they walked off? Stage it,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: was you, know it. Was it was a great memorable
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: evening and it wasn't.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: It it was an old old woman that threw the
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: chicken up on the. Stage and the chicken was gotten.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: Ahead of. TIME i know it wasn't important From america
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: because the poultry police at the border would have noticed
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: that chicken and confiscated it right. Away so somebody went
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: out and got it and brought it on. Stage it wasn't,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: me but it was provided for by.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: Them and then the feathers from the. Pillows people were
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: thinking That alice.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Was ripping the chicken apart and that the feathers were
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: part of. It there was a story THAT i saw
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: on YouTube a year maybe a couple of years, ago
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: and it was a guy who was there to witness
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: it all and his. Story he came, out sat in
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: a chair and he was all dressed in, white and
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: he was telling the story about the chicken How alice threw,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: it but it didn't. Throw it didn't go any further
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: than the kids in the, wheelchairs and the kids in
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: the wheelchairs and the nurses tore up the, pieces And i'm, going, no,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: well a nurse hasn't got to tear a chicken, apart
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: or even A canadian nurse wouldn't tear a chicken. Apart
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: those kids wouldn't do. It SO i don't know where
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: he came up with that, story but it wasn't it wasn't.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Correct, yeah it's amazing all the stories, though LIKE i,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: said LIKE i was telling, YOU i THINK i read
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: somewhere there was just some old the. CHICKEN i Think
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: alice threw the chicken out into the front row and
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: then some older woman threw it back up on the.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: Stage or.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: NO i watched it. Go both me And dennis saw
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: the same, thing but we saw different. Things we saw
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: That alice got that threw out the chicken and he
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: did actually a pretty good thing that he must have
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: got it out there thirty thirty feet and it landed
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: And denis said it, landed AND i said it landed
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: in front of some sort of, tower And denis said
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: it landed it from sort of. Camera so we both
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: Somebody Penny baker was out there filming the whole, thing
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: so it was probably one of his camera guys out
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: there and somebody it. Landed the chicken landed near that
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: and either somebody who was working in the crew or a.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: Fan WHAT i saw was the chicken was dazed and.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Confused picked the chicken up and held it and put
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: it sort of cradle it in his. Arms that was
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: the LAST i saw the. Chicken it you, know it made.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: It it made for a great story That frank, said deny.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: NOTHING i was just about to, say denying. Nothing he,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: said and and chapend And joe were basically saying they're loving.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: IT i, mean, like just, hey let him say whatever
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: they got to, say because we're GETTING.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: I, TRUTHFULLY i thought the flare gun was going to
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: be the biggest. Deal people go nuts Over Alice cooper
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: nearly burns Down Varsity, stadium but it didn't. Happen but the.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: CHICKEN i don't think something like that could happen today
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: because everybody's got their phones out and they could film,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: everything and everything would have been answered pretty quickly as
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: to what. Happened but because you're not one hundred percent,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: certain the rumors start to swirl and all of these
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: urban legends start to. Develop but, yeah, absolutely that's that's
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: WHAT i miss about those those, days the good old.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: Days, yeah BECAUSE i had TO i had to drive
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: To toledo the next day because they were doing a
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: concert In. Ohio AND i was listening to the radio
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: AS i was getting the gear ready and stored and
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: everything properly so it wouldn't all fall over and, Break
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: and the radio was on and people were calling into
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: these call shows like this is Discussing Alice cooper is
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: a murdery he ate this chicken on stage and threw
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: it off. There i'm keeping my kids out of school
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: SO i know that they're safely out of. Town you,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: know it was just this build up and build up
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: and Every by the time it Hit, Europe i'm sure
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: that you, know the story must have been.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Huge was that when you started to, realize, yeah this
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: band's going to be.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: HUGE i don't think of these guys as rock. STARS i,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: mean because they were my friends and they were a
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: bunch of goofy, KIDS i mean, really AND i still
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: looked at him like. THAT i didn't look at him
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: as rock. STARS i JUST i GUESS i should, have
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: BUT i. Didn't SO i didn't have a concept of
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: they were going to be, famous BECAUSE i was just
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: trying to get, them get them on stage and the
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: equipment functioning for them to, play you, know BECAUSE i, guess,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: well just before they were supposed to go, On glenn's
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: amplifier disappeared and was taken down into the. Stadium And i'm, going, oh,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: CRAP i need this like a hole in the. HEAD
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: i don't need that amplifier. Stolen SO i followed these
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: guys down into the bowels of the stadium AND i,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: SAID i don't know IF i need to get help or,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: what But I'm i'm going to get that amp back
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: no matter. What and SO i could hear people talking
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: AND i, go, oh my, god there's got to be
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: six or seven of them. THERE i, SAID i can't
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: they're going on stage. SOON i got to get the.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: Amp IF i got to fight six or seven, guys
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: that's going to be. It SO i turned around the
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: corner AND i pointed AND i, SAID i want. That
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: and THEN i stopped Because John lennon was plugging into
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: the amplifier And i'm going holy AND i, go Mister, Lennon,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: SIR i really need that app on stage because they're going.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: On Alice cooper's going on, next and they Need glenn
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: aids this. Amplifier and he, goes, Oh i'm, sorry. Mate you,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: know you KNOW i had no. Idea i've always wanted
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: to play one of these acoustic amplifiers and and this
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: was an. OPPORTUNITY i didn't know you were going on
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: next or. ANYTHING i, said you, know after the, show
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: if you want to play, IT i will bring it
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: down personally and Let he, goes, no, No i've caused enough.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: Trouble he was really a nice.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Guy, yeah you're telling. Me early, on you, know people
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: were shocked that they didn't realize you had all these.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: Stories IF i had and a verbal exchange With John.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: Lennon i'd be sharing that story for the rest of
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: my life EVERYBODY.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: I, do but everybody would, think, no you.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Didn't, yeah he's, Lying, yeah, Yeah.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: And then to, mention, oh by the, Way Eric clapton
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: was there, too ready to plug into the amplifier. Area
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: so it just sounds like a big, story but it
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: actually happened THAT i was stupid enough to THINK i
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: was going to fight six guys to get that amplifier,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: back but it turned out for the.
• 1:16:30
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• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: Down and? Why?
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: WELL i got into another accident every van the band ever,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: opened ever HAD i, destroyed and you KNOW i took
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: A this one wasn't as, bad but it was bad
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: enough that you, know the back wasn't feeling right, anymore
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: AND i had the it wasn't my fault, again and
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: FACT i their insurance company settled in a claim for
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: me Because julian check got a lawyer. Going this guy
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: deserves to be in jail because he was on the
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: five heading south In california and the speed limit was
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: sixty five and there was this guy on the side
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: of the road and he went out to traffic going
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: five miles an, hour and there was a highway patrol
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: and right next to, me and it was a demolition.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: DERBY i drove off the freeway onto through the dirt median.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Cars we're doing three sixties one. Eight the cop did
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: at one eighty and was headed backwards AND i went
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: through a, big huge freeway. SIGN i came crashing down
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: on the, van one of the poles of the sign
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: right through the middle of the, van right through the
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: front windshield between me And, charlie AND i passed out once.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: AGAIN i GUESS i do. Stupid my body shuts down
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: in the face of. Danger but you know next THING i. Got,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: yeah people were banging on the, window going we're trying
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: to get you, Out we're trying to get you. Out
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: AND i finally pried the door open And i'm out
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: And i'm wobblie and people are going up thanking me
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: for you, know ditching the freeway LIKE i, did because
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: it had disaster spilled all over. It and even the
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: policeman came up and, said you, know thank you for you,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: know pulling off the freeway and going through that, sign
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: BECAUSE i would have been the next to hit. You
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: and it just went on and on and they. Changed.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: OH i also got a flat tire driving over pieces
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: of the, sign and there was about sixty eight cars
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: involved in. It so one of the people put the
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: tire on for me and we got on our way
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: and we went home and stopped at an overlook and
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: took a breather for about a half hour and got
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: in the. Car it was promptly about forty miles FROM
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: la AND i got pulled over by the highway patrol
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: and given a ticket for having a defective. Windshield and
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: that was the icing on the cake on. That but
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: my time was Getting i'd been doing it for close
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: to five, years AND i came to REALIZE i was
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: twenty three years, old AND i didn't know how to
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: do anything except lift equipment and set equipment. Down and
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: then when we came back the final, straw not the final,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: straw but the thing that kind of summed it up
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: for me was we were staying in. It. Before we
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: were staying in a very nice house up in The Hollywood.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: Hills didn't have any, furniture but it was a very
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: elegant mini, mansion and life was good. There and now
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: when we came, home we were directed to go to
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: this apartment building on Oh Man Ivas, street two thousand
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: and One Ivas, street which was situated directly underneath the.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: Freeway half the apartments were under the freeway and the
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: other half were outside of the. Freeway and so we
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: went up to our we were separated by that of
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: being in one, house we were separated by two apartments
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: or maybe three apartments at the, time and between the
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: noise from the freeway and if you open the window
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: of the carbon monoxide would come floating. DOWN i just,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: said you, KNOW i know these guys are going to make,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: it BUT i just can't do it with me Because
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: i'm approaching an age WHERE i should have a career picked,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: out and SO i, Decided, oh and the other thing
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: one another. Other another major thing was my dad had
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: given me a golf credit card to, use AND i
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: used that for my entire four YEARS i was, there
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: And joey And chepp would pay the, bill but it
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: turns out things were kind of lean and that they
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: hadn't paid the, bill and the bill was right around
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: two thousand. Dollars SO i felt obligated that WHEN i heard,
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  Speaker 2: THAT i, SAID i got to go. HOME i got
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: to pay this off because this isn't my dad's responsibility
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: to pay this for this credit, card SO i. Should
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: AND i got fifteen hundred dollars from the. Accident SO i,
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  Speaker 2: Said i'm going to go home and pay off that
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  Speaker 2: bill and then get a job and try to do.
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  Speaker 2: Something and so with heavy, HEART i left and went
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: back and moved in with my, parents which was sort
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: of a downgrade BECAUSE i was an adult. Now and
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: about two weeks, later Joe greenberger called me on the
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: phone and, said we've taken care of that, bill AND i, Said,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: God i'm so, thankful you, know thank you very much
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: for doing. That that is a big way off me
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: Because i'm living at home and you, KNOW i was
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: going to use this money to pay off their. Alone
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: but now you've done it so, great and he, goes
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: do you want to come? Back AND i really thought about,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: IT i, SAID i, said, BOY i really want, to
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: BUT i just. Can't i'm back In. Phoenix I'VE i
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: decided to get a. JOB i was delivering at pizzas
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: at the, time But i've decided to go to school
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: and earn some sort of degree in. Something AND i
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: thank them very. Much and that was. It as soon
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: AS i started, SCHOOL i, said, boy you got to
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: leave the band behind. You AND i.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Did and you went on to do what after The
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: Alice cooper oh well, experience.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: My future wife was going to nursing. SCHOOL i, said,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: well MAYBE i should try this medicine. THING i had no,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: knowledge but you, KNOW i went to a hospital and, said,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah i'd like to be in orderly and they they, said,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: okay have you ever done, this, this and? This AND i, go,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: OH i go no. Not for a long, TIME i
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: was trying to con myself into getting a job into
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: something THAT i do not, about and they said, well you,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: know we can't use. You but and, THIS i swear To,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: god this was they, said go to the county. Hospital
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: they'll take. Anybody and SO i went to the County
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: hospital and sure, enough they took. Me but they put
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: me through class to be become A i guess it
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: was called nursing. Assistant and SO i went to class
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: for about a month to learn how to be a nursing.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: Assistant and they had a request for me to to
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: go to the. Er i'm going to. Er that's. That
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: you got to know your stuff to go. THERE i you,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: know why do they want? Me and basically it was
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: BECAUSE i was six foot five and lifting weights kind
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: of makes you kind of, bulky and they wanted me
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: to basically wrestle patients who were on cooperative and things like.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: That SO i went to the er AND i wrestled
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: patients for a.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: While and you went from wrestling a bear to wrestling.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: Patients BECAUSE i had to wrestle a few people who
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: got on stage a couple of. Times, WELL i GUESS
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: i was used to. It THEN i saw these people
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: out on the side of the building eating ice, cream
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: AND i, said what are these guys? Doing AND i
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: was sold they're respiratory, therapists AND i, GO i don't
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: know what that, is But i'm going to sign up
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: for it. Tomorrow SO i signed up for respiratory therapy
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: school and they took me as a student respiratory. Therapist
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: SO i got a raise and pay AND i became
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: a respiratory. Therapist THEN i DECIDED i wanted to become a,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: nurse and SO i went to nursing school and THEN
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: i became a. Nurse THEN i DECIDED i wanted to do,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: anesthesia SO i became a nurse, anesthetus AND i went
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: to school for two years and studied. Anesthesia SO i
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: did anesthesia for about twenty years and then.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: Retired, wow good for. You and you kept in touch
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: with the guys every now and.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: Then now and then it really hit back to when
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: the movie came, Out back to the at The welcome
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: to the Astrotur Alice, cooper BECAUSE i met the band all.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: Again it was like like, nothing no time had. Passed you,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: know there were the. Jokes you, know there Was Michael.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: Brusco there's a guy who tried to kill, me you, know,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: yeah and stuff like, That and kept in chutch and
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: then WHEN i wrote the, book it just snowballed AND
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: i Met, NEIL i mean reading connected With neil And
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: dennis And Mike, bruce Met alice a few, times went
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: out to dinner With, alice and it just you, know
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: all came back that you, KNOW I i enjoyed these. Memories, Now,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: YEAH i was glad THAT i wrote about. Him and
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: that was basically IT i, was you, KNOW I i've.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: BEEN i embraced my past is basically what it is
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: BECAUSE i left it behind BECAUSE i FELT i was
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: behind BECAUSE i didn't have any type of, career moved
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: out group you, know carved out for.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: Me, Yet, yeah what a. Story you have to be
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: glad you put it all in the. Book it's in
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: there now and it's part of. History, yeah who reads.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: It it's part of, history part of rock.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: History i'm glad.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: Because it all started with somebody, saying you, know at a,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: funeral get, together you need to write a.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: Book i'm glad you, Did Alice cooper fans are glad you.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: Did and people can get the. Book whoever books are.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: Sold living In touring With Alice cooper and other, stories
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: and you can find. It engineer's Bookstore. AMAZON i got
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: the kindle.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: Version so it's one of the things we had dinner
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: With dennis And. Cindy, Yeah sidey was writing a book. Also,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: yes she opened up and told me a, story Told
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: ellen AND i stories about. It and it was like
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: one of these cartoons where the the guy's jaw drops
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: down and hits the. Table i'm, going, on my, god,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: woman this is this is. Fantastic the people that she,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: met the things that she.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: Did she kept a. Diary, yeah and it just.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: Wasn't With Alice. Cooper we're talking big names and big
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: stories THAT i can't tell anybody about BECAUSE i don't
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: think she wants me. To but it just these stories
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: were just absolutely.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: Amazing we're hoping that that ends up coming. Out dennis
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: said that she's working on a, book so that's but.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah cyny does. It sydney is doing it her, way
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: and that's the way you should do. It and it's
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: take methodical and doing taking your time and getting it just.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: Perfect for, ME i was just yelling into an addicted
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: machine that wrote. Words WHEN i talked into, IT i
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: go back and, go, oh that's, terrible you, Know but
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: she's doing it the right. Way for.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: Her, yeah forward to that.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: Book the story she told me were.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: Fantastic, yeah that's a. Teaser, yeah we're hoping that comes.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: Soon we'll. See But dennis did, say, yeah his wife
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: is working on. That She's sindy was with the band
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: from day, one, Right.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: Well, no she actually she knew the, band and actually
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: she got into fights With. Dennis she was not working
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: with the, band but she was sticking up for her,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: brother And dennis would make, it made a sarcastic remark
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: About neil playing with this other, band and she, says
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: that's my, brother and he's the best damn brother and
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: the best drummer. Here And dennis backed off for a few.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: Years and then another thing About cindy is we have
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: a past THAT i didn't know about WHEN i was
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: in high school and. College, no just in high, SCHOOL
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: i had a job working weekends a wrangler at a
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: horseback riding. Facility and BECAUSE i raised around horses and
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: farms and things like, that and SO i what happened
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: here there we, Go and SO i worked as a
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: wrangler and taking people out of rides in this horseback
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: then and two years Later cindy was worked at the
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: same riding stable doing the exact same. Thing, Yeah i'm
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: going small. Worlds, yeah but it's just interesting how life
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: goes on, sometimes yeah very.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: Much, yeah yeah it, is it. Is it's. Amazing you never,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: know you never know where things will, take you never
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: know what adventures lie, ahead and you had some great
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: ones to tell them that they're in the. Book SO
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: i thank you so Much mike for sharing some time
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: with us fans and telling these. Stories they're they're great
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: and there's. More there's more to be told in that,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: book so people should go out and get it living
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: and touring With Alice cooper and other. Stories thank, you.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: Well thank. You it's been a real pleasure of doing.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: This that's. It it's in the.
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  Speaker 2: Books