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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 6-3-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Happy home Day, everybody. Welcome to the shot Old College Show.
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  Speaker 2: WHOA what a start we had to the Stanley Cup Final,
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  Speaker 2: five four victory for the hated Vegas Golden Knights. I
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  Speaker 2: still haven't figured out how we're processing the fact that
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: Vegas is in the Stanley Cup Final and now off
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  Speaker 2: to a one nothing lead over Carolina. Of course, plenty
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  Speaker 2: of hockey left to be played there. The next game
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  Speaker 2: will be tomorrow. We are your home of the Stanley
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  Speaker 2: Cup Final and the NBA Finals on ESPN seven hundred
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  Speaker 2: and ninety two one FM.
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  Speaker 1: Las Vegas Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: Four to four, down to the final few minutes of
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  Speaker 2: the game when Tamash Hurtle ends up scoring the go
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  Speaker 2: ahead goal and then in you know, less than a
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  Speaker 2: minute left, Carolina desperation mode, empty net. They bring in
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  Speaker 2: all the shooters, they bring in all the guys with
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  Speaker 2: the big shots. They bring in their snipers, the guys
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  Speaker 2: with the accuracy, and they actually got a beautiful look
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  Speaker 2: at it, and the broadcast crew did a really really
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  Speaker 2: nice job on the final sequence. The goal that just
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  Speaker 2: was turned aside just blocked by Mitch Marner if Marner
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  Speaker 2: doesn't get in the way, and he actually was trying
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  Speaker 2: to get out of the way is what the broadcast
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  Speaker 2: crew determined, because he wanted to let Carter Hart get
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  Speaker 2: a good look at the attempted shot and have a
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  Speaker 2: clearer picture on where he needed to put his blocker,
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  Speaker 2: where he needed to put his glove, whether it was
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  Speaker 2: going to be a stick save, etc. And they did
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  Speaker 2: a really good job on the broadcast kind of describing
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  Speaker 2: for you what would have happened with that shot had
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  Speaker 2: Mitch Marner not clipped it with his own knee as
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  Speaker 2: he was trying to get out of the way trying
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  Speaker 2: to avoid screening the vision of his goaltender, and ultimately
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  Speaker 2: it does hit him kind of on the back of
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  Speaker 2: the knee and trickles aside, and so Vegas avoids giving
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  Speaker 2: up an equalizer with Carolina a man up empty net,
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  Speaker 2: and they win Game one in an absolute thriller, five
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  Speaker 2: to four.
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  Speaker 1: And in the postgame comments.
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  Speaker 2: You hear guys talking about exactly the way you want
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  Speaker 2: to hear athletes talking.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: It's just it's such a fascinating thing that hockey guys
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  Speaker 2: get it at the highest highest of levels, and the sport,
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  Speaker 2: the sport lends itself to more democracy. I think in
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  Speaker 2: the dressing room is what we're figuring out. There's obviously stars,
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  Speaker 2: there's big time players. There's definitely guys who are more
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  Speaker 2: important to your efforts, and goaltenders probably number one. But
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  Speaker 2: even the Vegas Knights, certainly the Carolina Hurricanes, they rely
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  Speaker 2: on their third and fourth line guys, not exactly as
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  Speaker 2: much as they rely on the top line guys, but
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  Speaker 2: they rely on those guys enough that there's just a
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  Speaker 2: mutual respect, appreciation, et cetera. When people are doing what
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  Speaker 2: they're supposed to be doing and there's no room really
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  Speaker 2: for the diva behaviors and for guys to be like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sacrifice my body for
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  Speaker 2: this particular win.
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  Speaker 1: They all do it.
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  Speaker 2: Biggest play I mean, we talked yesterday with Tom Callahan.
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  Speaker 2: Mitch Marner is probably gonna win the con smythe if
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  Speaker 2: he has a decent series here, he's gonna be the
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  Speaker 2: playoff MVP, and he's gonna be completing one of the
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  Speaker 2: best seasons he's had in an already very impressive career,
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  Speaker 2: and he's still the guy that's trying to make the
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  Speaker 2: right play. Now, it's a little silly that he was
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  Speaker 2: trying to do the thing opposite of what actually happened,
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  Speaker 2: But he was trying to do the right thing for
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  Speaker 2: his team, and he ended up obviously making a big play,
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  Speaker 2: even if it was somewhat accidental. Vegas once again more
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  Speaker 2: physical in this game. They out hit the Carolina Hurricanes
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  Speaker 2: by almost double digits and they get the win because
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  Speaker 2: of it. So off to a one zero series lead
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  Speaker 2: in the Stanley Cup Final, the Las Vegas Golden Knights
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  Speaker 2: ahead so far in the Stanley Cup Final. NBA Finals
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  Speaker 2: begin tonight as well. We are your home of the
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  Speaker 2: NBA Finals on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one FM.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a fun show lined up for you. Randall
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  Speaker 2: Sullivan wrote a book about the baseball game of the century,
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  Speaker 2: the first ever All Star Game.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to talk with him in about half an hour.
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  Speaker 2: We go between the pipes with Adrian Denny to talk
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  Speaker 2: about this Stanley Cup Final, about the way things have
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  Speaker 2: started for Vegas. There's a lot of things happening in
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  Speaker 2: the behind the scenes college football world. The big ten
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  Speaker 2: in the SEC have banded together further in their stance
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  Speaker 2: against the current bill.
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  Speaker 1: Set in front of the lawmakers in our land.
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  Speaker 2: The bipartisan bill proposed by Ted Cruz and company. The
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  Speaker 2: SEC and the Big Ten are jointly opposing that particular,
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  Speaker 2: the save what do they call it, the Save College
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  Speaker 2: the Protect College Sports Act. Ted Cruz and Maria Cantwell
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  Speaker 2: co drafted the bill. We talked about it a lot yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: and the Big ten in the SEC.
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  Speaker 1: And said, nope, nope, nope, we don't like this. Now.
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  Speaker 2: Why does it matter that the Big ten and the
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  Speaker 2: SEC are issuing a co statement here? Obviously you know
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  Speaker 2: where I'm going with this, right, These informal alliances become
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  Speaker 2: more concrete alliances, sometimes not in the favor of the
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  Speaker 2: Pac twelve. But these informal alliances can be a bit
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  Speaker 2: of foreshadowing, letting people know what the direction of this
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  Speaker 2: is headed eventually, where the Big Ten in the SEC
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  Speaker 2: try to stay on the same page. Remember they have
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  Speaker 2: not been on the same page as of yet. With
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  Speaker 2: the expanded college football playoff proposals. The Big Ten wants
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  Speaker 2: twenty four teams, the Big twelve wants twenty four teams.
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  Speaker 2: The ACC wants twenty four teams. The SEC has been
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  Speaker 2: mostly reluctant and their initial statement was that we want
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  Speaker 2: a sixteen team playoff, and then there were like seven
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  Speaker 2: coaches at SEC media days like, well, nobody asked me.
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  Speaker 2: Now you got Nick Saban out there sort of campaigning,
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  Speaker 2: it seems, for and or against the special interests of
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  Speaker 2: college football. Saban obviously is one of the most respected
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  Speaker 2: guys in the history of the game and somebody that
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  Speaker 2: I think, by the way he is speaking in support
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  Speaker 2: of the Protect College Sports Act, Nick Saban is just
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  Speaker 2: he's one of the voices that people listen to. Now,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of folks inside of college football view this
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  Speaker 2: as Nick Saban sort of campaigning for a future position
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  Speaker 2: as the czar, as the commissioner, so to speak, of
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  Speaker 2: whatever college football becomes, and there are plenty of people
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  Speaker 2: who don't think that's a good idea. Nick Saban, for me,
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  Speaker 2: gets this unique place in college sports because he is
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  Speaker 2: He's the Emperor, right, He's Darth Vader. He's the head
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  Speaker 2: of the evil Empire. He was the face of the
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  Speaker 2: SEC and Alabama football and the sort of like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we know, you guys aren't doing things strictly by the book.
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  Speaker 2: For decades, Nick Saban was the guy that was sort of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the cool calm presence, but the figurehead of
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  Speaker 2: what ended up being a sort of tiresomely great empire
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  Speaker 2: of college football in the SEC, and Alabama was the
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  Speaker 2: poster children for that, and for me that led to
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  Speaker 2: Nick Saban being someone that I didn't love at first
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  Speaker 2: and still don't necessarily love. But you've watched Nick Saban
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  Speaker 2: now that he is not beholden to any athletic director,
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  Speaker 2: any commissioner. He's not beholden to parents or recruits in
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  Speaker 2: any way. He's in the broadcast world. Now, he's on
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  Speaker 2: college game Day. He does a great job on college
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  Speaker 2: game Day. He is the new Lee Corso effectively, although
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  Speaker 2: a lot less charismatic, a lot less animated, but he
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  Speaker 2: brings that sort of cachet and quite frankly, even more
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  Speaker 2: cachet as a championship level coach than Corso was ever
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  Speaker 2: able to.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Nick Saban is a traditionalist of sorts in college football.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's easy to say, all right, well, of course
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  Speaker 2: he's a traditionalist because he's a guy who benefited from
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  Speaker 2: the old system. And while he didn't appreciate certain comedians
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  Speaker 2: joining college game Day and joking at his expense and
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  Speaker 2: the expense of the Alabama football program with certain allegations,
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  Speaker 2: and lsu I sh should add to that.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say that.
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  Speaker 2: Nick Saban wants college football to go back to something
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  Speaker 2: that looks a little bit more like the game he
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  Speaker 2: had success in. And by the way, you can't unring
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  Speaker 2: the bell. I've told you many times with many different phrases.
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  Speaker 2: We know that you're never going to completely restore.
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  Speaker 1: The old way of things.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think we should want to think we
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  Speaker 2: should accept the fact that college athletes deserve some compensation.
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  Speaker 2: The college athletes are deserving of a certain amount of
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  Speaker 2: autonomy when it comes to transfer and things like that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that we have best served college athletics
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  Speaker 2: by making it free flowing and limitless transfer.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that we have served.
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  Speaker 2: College athletes by offering exactly zero consequences consequences for any
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  Speaker 2: poor decisions or any lack of forethought when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to well, where do you want to transfer to?
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  Speaker 1: Who do you want to play for?
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  Speaker 2: Like, we have now erased all of the barriers and
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  Speaker 2: all of the things that stop a consequence from happening
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  Speaker 2: for these people.
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  Speaker 1: We are snow plow parents.
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  Speaker 2: All of us in the college football world, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't think that serves the college athlete.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's actually a bad thing.
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  Speaker 2: And Nick Saban does too, and I think by extension
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  Speaker 2: the bill that he is supporting while the SEC and
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  Speaker 2: the Big Ten are doing joint statements against the Protect
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  Speaker 2: College Sports Act.
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  Speaker 1: It's this.
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  Speaker 2: Push and pull that's happening between very powerful and very
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  Speaker 2: influential entities because now we have figureheads in US government
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  Speaker 2: trying to get involved in this. Yes, Nick Saban is
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  Speaker 2: campaigning in favor of what Ted Cruz has laid out
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  Speaker 2: for us, what several other individuals in the political sphere
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  Speaker 2: have decided to weigh in on. But Nick Saban, he
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  Speaker 2: testified his support for the Protect College Sports Act. And
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  Speaker 2: guess who else was there? Pete Pavaqua, Notre Dame Athletic Director,
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  Speaker 2: who is effectively the commissioner of his own weird, little
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  Speaker 2: tiny nation state league. Much like Vatican City is It's
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  Speaker 2: is its own political thing, is its own country, Notre
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  Speaker 2: Dame is its own country within college football, right, Teresa Gould,
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  Speaker 2: who is the commissioner of the new PAC twelve West
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  Speaker 2: Virginia President Gordon Gee. And how about this Utah defensive end,
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  Speaker 2: Lance Holdsklaw, how about your boy?
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  Speaker 1: How about Lance Holdsklaw?
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  Speaker 2: Being the player perspective on what it's like for agents
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  Speaker 2: and players dealing with agents, what it's like hearing from
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  Speaker 2: people in the portal, what it's like on coaching changes,
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  Speaker 2: the athletic leaders. Right, so the non players that we
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  Speaker 2: were just talking about were warning everybody that, hey, if
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  Speaker 2: there's no federal intervention here. We think of the Protect
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  Speaker 2: College Sports Act as being something to protect college football
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  Speaker 2: and to protect college basketball, and probably to a lesser extent,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we think of softball, we think of baseball,
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  Speaker 2: We think of gymnastics at the University of Utah. This
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  Speaker 2: bill is designed to try to mitigate spending on the
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  Speaker 2: revenue producing sports, which presumably will reserve some level of
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  Speaker 2: income and some level of surplus for gymnastics, soccer, softball,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera. And I'm you go, depending on what school
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about, go further down the list of the
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  Speaker 2: more and more obscure sports. The Olympic sports, the swimming
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  Speaker 2: and divings of the world are already very carefully, very
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  Speaker 2: quietly and in some cases almost secretively being pushed aside,
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  Speaker 2: and those programs are being shut down. Coaches are losing jobs,
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  Speaker 2: Assistant coaches are losing jobs, athletes are losing opportunities, scholarships,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera. And it's done mostly quietly because it hasn't
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  Speaker 2: happened to a prominent program yet. It hasn't happened to
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  Speaker 2: like a national championship contending volleyball team. It's happened to
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  Speaker 2: volleyball teams, it just hasn't happened to ones that you
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  Speaker 2: think are relevant. It hasn't happened to a gymnastics team
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  Speaker 2: that you care about yet. I think it's amazing that
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  Speaker 2: Lance holtzkla I saw Morgan Scalley tweeted about this in
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  Speaker 2: support of his guy. It's amazing that Lance Holtzklaw was
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  Speaker 2: chosen to be the player representative.
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  Speaker 1: And honestly, because this is.
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  Speaker 2: A political hearing, we should track down, we should be
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  Speaker 2: able to track down the full transcript of whatever Lance
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  Speaker 2: Holsklaub was asked and what he had to say. I
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  Speaker 2: my wish is that you get a player in Lance
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  Speaker 2: anyone else, right, we prefer that it's Lance because he's
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  Speaker 2: a Utah guy. Let the adults in the room. I
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  Speaker 2: like to use that phrase frivolously. Let Congress, and by
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  Speaker 2: the way, it shouldn't be something that lawmakers have to
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  Speaker 2: deal with.
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  Speaker 1: But we've gone to that point.
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  Speaker 2: Let the adults in the room hear exactly what it's
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  Speaker 2: like from a player perspective. Let somebody like Lance Hold's claw,
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  Speaker 2: or even better, let Devin dan Pierre because he was
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  Speaker 2: such an in demand kind of guy. Let bear Bachmeyer,
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  Speaker 2: because he was getting phone calls from every team in
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  Speaker 2: the nation, sit down and say, this is what the
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  Speaker 2: landscape is right now. I was expected to pass my tests.
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  Speaker 2: I was expected to have a social life. I was
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  Speaker 2: expected to be a well rounded human being, to do
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  Speaker 2: my homework, to show up to my workouts, to be
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  Speaker 2: accountable to my coaches and teammates. While myself and or
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: my agent, and or my dad and or my mom
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  Speaker 2: and my brother and my high school coach are all
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  Speaker 2: getting contacted by wild assortments of randoms from recruiting directors
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  Speaker 2: from other agents and saying this is how much we
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  Speaker 2: have for you to do this? Instead, your loyalty at
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  Speaker 2: BYU or at Utah is I'm sure appreciated, but is
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  Speaker 2: it worth two and a half or three and a
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  Speaker 2: half or four and a half million dollars? Let the
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  Speaker 2: student athlete tell the big people, the decision makers, what
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  Speaker 2: it's actually like and make them listen. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: it to be a Congress problem. I don't want it
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  Speaker 2: to be a Senate problem. I don't want it to
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  Speaker 2: be an executive order problem. But that's where we have
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  Speaker 2: gotten to with college sports, and we have gotten so
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  Speaker 2: far down this road that the big ten in the
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  Speaker 2: SEC are just like, well, hold on, this is not
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  Speaker 2: we don't want this to be the representation of what
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  Speaker 2: we're looking at. And Nick Saban is like, no, I
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  Speaker 2: do want that. Do you realize how problematic that is?
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  Speaker 2: Remember yesterday we were talking about potential for a salary
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  Speaker 2: cap to be introduced in Major League Baseball and how
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  Speaker 2: there were going to be a lot of decision makers
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of people that just hated that and
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  Speaker 2: some that loved it, and the fans don't really have
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  Speaker 2: a voice, but they should have a voice. And it's like, now,
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  Speaker 2: imagine that Nick Saban was not so long ago the
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  Speaker 2: face of all things SEC and he is testifying in
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  Speaker 2: front of Congress in direct opposition to the SEC company
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  Speaker 2: line currently.
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  Speaker 1: If that is not a snapshot on.
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  Speaker 2: How disjointed we are in the college football world.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what is.
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  Speaker 2: And of course I'm only talking about the high profile
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  Speaker 2: stories that are coming out right now, because the high
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  Speaker 2: profile stories are the thing like Utah and BYU are
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  Speaker 2: unfortunately not in control of their own destiny at this
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  Speaker 2: exact moment, getting all of these like fan fiction conspiracy
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  Speaker 2: theories right now on Utah message boards about how this
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  Speaker 2: outro capital deal is only about inclusion in the Big
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  Speaker 2: Ten and everything's gonna be fine because you're getting get
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  Speaker 2: invited to the Big Ten.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about that at all.
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  Speaker 2: Utah ain't getting invited to the Big Ten tomorrow, and
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  Speaker 2: it's not happening in a month, and it might not
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  Speaker 2: happen in a year or five years or ten years
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  Speaker 2: or whatever. You've got to live where your feet are,
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  Speaker 2: and right now, where the feet are in all of
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  Speaker 2: college sports. But for Utah specifically, and for BYU as
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  Speaker 2: a Big twelve partner, and for Texas Tech as a
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  Speaker 2: Big twelve partner, where your feet are at this moment
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  Speaker 2: right now is on incredibly shaky ground. You are standing
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  Speaker 2: on quicksand in the college sports world, and the powers
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  Speaker 2: that be can't even decide whether they agree when you
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: have a collective bargaining, when you have a players association
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  Speaker 2: versus the owners, it's the enemy.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the enemy.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's the the power structure that you want
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  Speaker 2: to fight against. It's the obvious target. Everybody knows the
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  Speaker 2: score when those things are happening. Yeah, they can get complicated. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: it's a convoluted thing. That process can take time and
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  Speaker 2: sometimes there's work stoppages. We're watching French Open tennis right
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  Speaker 2: in the French Open leading up to it. It's just like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we might boycott this tournament because we want more revenue
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  Speaker 2: and the tournament wants to give us less revenue.
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  Speaker 1: That's a battle that you just you know exactly what
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  Speaker 1: you're getting.
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  Speaker 2: When you get the lego pack and there's the guys
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  Speaker 2: wearing black are the bad guys and the good guys
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  Speaker 2: are dressed in white, you know exactly what it's supposed
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  Speaker 2: to look like. Right, you know, the battle that you're fighting.
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  Speaker 2: College football and college basketball and college sports in general
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 1: They don't even know the battle that they're fighting. They
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  Speaker 1: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, okay, wait, are we fighting against each other?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? But also no, because we need to be on
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  Speaker 1: the same front.
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  Speaker 2: Are we fighting against the television networks that we've given
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  Speaker 2: too much control?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're fighting against them, but also no, because.
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  Speaker 2: We need them to provide the revenue that allows us
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  Speaker 2: to have these sports. It allows the coaches to have
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  Speaker 2: their jobs and allows the student athletes to be in
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  Speaker 2: demand to earn their money. All right, Okay, Well is
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  Speaker 2: the fight against the student athletes themselves because they're the
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  Speaker 2: ones that we now have to share all this revenue
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  Speaker 2: with that is making it impossible for us to field
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  Speaker 2: the Olympic sports. So is it the student athlete that's
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  Speaker 2: the enemy? Well know, but also yes, because without them,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have the sport, you don't have the television,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: you don't have the show, you don't have anything to
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  Speaker 2: give to the consumer, which is me and you. So
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: in that way, they're your teammate, they're your product, they're
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: the stars of the show. But also they're the ones
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: who are like, yeah, but I want to be able
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: to transfer any time I want, and I want there
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: to be absolutely no limit or no regulation on where
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: my money comes from and how much money I can have.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: And we're like, well, hold on a minute, because that
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: hasn't actually served the sport as a whole, and the
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: individuals that make up the sport are like, I don't
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: care about serving the sport. I'm trying to pay bills.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: I want to pay off grandma's house. I want to
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: make sure that my family's set up. I don't want
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: to make sure my future is set up. So the
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: athletes are not your enemy because they're your product, and
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: they're your friends because they're your product. But they're also
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: your enemy because that product is too expensive for you.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Right now, do you see the problem we have in
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: college sports? Collective bargaining is the only solution, but nobody
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: will agree.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: To collective bargaining.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: And by the way, this College Sports Commission, this Protect
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: College Sports Act, is proposing, Hey, you know what we
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: definitely need to do. We definitely need to get one
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: of the obvious enemies out of here. We need to
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: give them some level of regulation and we need to
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: fight against them because maybe the student athlete isn't our enemy,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: and maybe they're not our opposition here. It's the agents,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: it's the random hangars on, it's the bag men, it's
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: the go betweens. Those people we definitely need to do
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: something about. Let's make them registered like all NFL agents
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: have to be registered, and all NBA agents have to
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: be registered, and all Major League Baseball agents have to
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: be registered. Let's put a cap on how much of
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: a student athlete's earning. They can take, no more than
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: five percent of whatever it is nil wise that they're
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: able to secure for this student athlete. And so now
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: those power players, and there's a few of them who
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: are powerful, but most of them aren't, are so like, well, no,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I don't want limitation put on my earning. And there's
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: some student athletes that are just like, well, wait, what
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: if he can't get registered, he's got a felony. What
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: if my guy can't get registered, He's made me millions
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: of dollars. There's nobody knows who they're punching. It's like
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: a pillow fight in the dark. You're flailing around and
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: then something hits you and you're like, oh, crap, what
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: was that?
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: What was that?
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: That was Ohio State stealing eighty percent of your important players.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: That was the University of Michigan coming in and taking
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: half of your coaching staff. And you're and three of
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: your top four recruits and you're just flailing, what the crap?
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: No, I don't know how to handle this purely hypothetical one.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: And in that one, right, you blame the individual when
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: the system is the thing that allows all of this. Right,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: and then if you're the student athlete, you're just like, well,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to support any change to the system
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: that a allow me to have this level of freedom
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: financially and with autonomy on where I can transfer what
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I can.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Do, Nick Saban.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: If Nick Saban and the SEC can't agree, If Greg
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Sanki and Nick Saban aren't on the same.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Page, nobody in college football is on the same page. Wait.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: The other thing about this is, and it goes with
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: the analogy that you're making oc, is there's just so
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: many fronts to fight this battle of bringing organization in
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: order to college athletics again, because, like you said, very astuteley,
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Nick Saban is probably in favor of resetting everything back
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: to the way it was. But resetting everything back to
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: the way it was, even if it were possible, which
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: it's not, so many inequities with that that need to
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: be figured out, and so many issues with the way
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: that was that need to be figured out. Only one
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: of those things is athletes. Back then not being able
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: to make money off of name, image and likeness. That's
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: just one of the things. How About something that Nick
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Saban and any other college football coach is probably not
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: in favor of. How About how coaches can have ten
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: year contracts and leave after the first year to go
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: to another to go to another team. How about that
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: on unregulated free agency with coaches that's not that doesn't
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: serve the sport very well, that it doesn't like.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you why they there's never going to be
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: legislation for that is because those contracts, it's just buyouts paid. Yeah, right,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: it becomes a transaction that ultimately everyone kind of agrees to.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: You can't do that with an il because there's not
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: a contract like that.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Well, and they're trying to put those in place, and
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: those are legally challenged and you got, I mean, it
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: is bananas.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: But it's that I bring that up as the thing
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: that no one that not many people are talking about,
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: just to illustrate there are so many things beyond the
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: obvious that need to be figured out. There's so many
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: fronts that this battle is needs to be fought on
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: that Yeah, you end up you end up feeling like, Okay.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: We've got this, We've got this.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Uh, we got this fight against the players getting too
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: much of our money.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: We're fighting that.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, oh, we're getting hit in the back of the
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: head by these by the the agents taking too much
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: of the player's money or the coaches leaving coaches having
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: unfettered free agency too much, and that's screwing everything up.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Like it's it's very it's it's it's insane. What the
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: fight the fight that's being asked to fight with.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: The Protect College Sports Bill needs sixty votes to pass
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: the Senate sixty votes.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: It is a bypar artisan bill.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Ted Cruz told ESPN he's confident that legislation can pass.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: It is one that he thinks, and Nick Saban thinks,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: and Lance Holtzklaw apparently thinks, and Pete Vakua thinks can
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: protect college sports. But the SEC and the Big ten
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: don't want it. And guess who controls actual college sports
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: right now. What the bill is effectively designed to do
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: is to restore antitrust protections to the NC DOUBLEA and
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: to any organizations underneath the NC DOUBLEA where you say,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: in the past you were allowed to suppress salaries to
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: reduce competitive spending, et cetera, et cetera, because you were
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: given an anti trust exemption quietly and now there is
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: no anti trust exemption. This would restore some of that
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: for NCAA sports specifically, and what we're talking about in
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: most cases, although Texas Tech Softball would be the outlier here,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: in most cases we're talking about putting a cap on
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: spending for student athletes in basketball and football, athletes are
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: not going to want it. And weirdly enough, while the
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: big ten in the SEC out one side of their
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: mouth will tell you they want to cap on spending,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: it needs to be sustainable. We need to figure this out.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: They don't want to support this particular legislation because guess
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: what it does to them. It caps what they can
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: do to maximize their advantages over the Big twelve, over
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: the acc over even weirdly, in some cases Notre Dame.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: It's very telling that the Notre Dame athletic director is
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: here campaigning for something that will cap spending. That means
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: he is here hearing from his booster base. He is
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: hearing from his university president. He might be hearing from Rome.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: He might be hearing from the Vatican, because remember, the
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: new Pope is from Chicago. He might be hearing like, hey,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: this is crazy. Notre Dame can't participate in this. It's
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: getting really ugly. I mean, his his presence there is
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: very telling, and Nick Saban could be fully convicted in
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: his belief.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: He seems like he is. He brought up some numbers.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: By the way, Nick Saban said, the first year he
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: was at Alabama, when they had a collective, there were
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: two point seven million dollars in the collective and it
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: went although up to twenty four million dollars. You know, nuts,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: That is the arms race is exactly what they're trying
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: to slow here. And if they don't make no mistake,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: whether it's the NCAA, whether it's a breakaway organization, whether
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: it's Congress, Senate, the President, the Pope, if somebody doesn't
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: stop this arms race, what happens is non revenue sports
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: are left in the dust and disappear gradually, and eventually
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: programs like the University of Utah football program are out paced,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: probably gradually, probably over time, are out paced in a
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: way that makes it a lot less interesting to have
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: college football nationwide. Yikesough, ranting for now, we're going to
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: take a break. Randall Sullivan, author of Baseball's Game of
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: the Century, the First All Star Game, is going to
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: join us. Next we'll talk about how it came to be,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: how you can get the book, and his favorite part
• 31:50
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Welcome in Randall Sullivan, author of Baseball's Game of the Century,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: the First All Star Game, new book out.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Randall Sullivan, Welcome to the show. How are you?
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: I'm just signed. Thanks for having me.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on to talk about this project.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Whenever we have authors on, I always try to get
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: to the root, the how and the why.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Why did you decide you wanted to tackle.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: This story, this book about a well known and already
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: very famous game about much has already been written.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Why did you decide to write this book.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I don't think that much has been written, but
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: be that as it may. You know, I wanted to
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: tell the story of an athletic band, a game that
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: was more than a game that was played at a
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: moment when the country and the sport really needed a
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: moment of uplift and coming together and seeing something you know,
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: new happened for the first time. And I don't think
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: there's been another athletic contest in America that was so
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: singular in the.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Moment nineteen thirty three.
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  Speaker 2: Give the listeners most of us were not alive then,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: so give the listeners some context on exactly you know
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: what you were just alluding to the fact, you know,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: why the nation needed a game like this at a
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: time like that.
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: Well, nineteen thirty three was the very bottom of the
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: Great depression the country had been and the game of
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: baseball had been spiraling for three and a half years,
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: with the country of breadlines and abandoned farms and you know,
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: people living in car paper shacks, but the game of
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: baseball was suffering right along with everyone else. There were
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: attendants that drop by more than half, and most of
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: the tickets being sold are for the chief seats, so
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: virtually every team was losing money and quite a few
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: were teetering on the brink of collapse. So something that
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: would revive interest in the game and the spirits of
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: fans and you know, the country as a whole was
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: really welcome.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Was there any vision in the moment that they decided
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: to do this exhibition, that it would spark a yearly contest,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: that it would spark other sports to have their own
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: versions of this. Was it truly conceptualized as a one
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: off event?
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: It was, you know, and most and the people there,
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: all the participants, all believed that this was going to
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: be a one time thing, which made it, you know,
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: especially significant and memorable. You know, there was a lot
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: of doubt whether in the midst of this depression there
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: would be the fan support, if people could afford to
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: buy the tickets and make the effort to get there,
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: and it turned out to be a huge success that
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: the whole country got behind. I don't think there's been
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: any sporting event there hadn't been one up to that
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: point that was you know, as widely promoted and publicized
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: in the national press. So you know, the anticipation was
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: enormous and it really lived up to everyone's expectations, and
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: especially in the you know, bay Ruth basically on his
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: last legs, rose to the occasion and you know, was
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: the star of the game.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by the fact that this was the first
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: and the fact that at that time in sports you
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: still could have first We're now in twenty twenty six.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: It seems like it's kind of hard for you know,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: anything that happens to be oh, this is the first
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: time we've ever seen this, or this is the first
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: time that a player has done this or accomplished this,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: and you know, telling these stories and reading stories of
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: when you know it truly was unprecedented.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: It is things that had never been seen before.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: And you know, you weren't there randall at this game,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: so as you were going back and trying to capture
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: the exact sentiment and what it was to witness something
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: like this for the first time, how did you do it?
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Where did you go, who did you talk to? What
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: did you find?
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, you know, things have been you know,
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: the digital age has certainly been great for people doing
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: any kind of historical research because if you know where
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: to look, you can find every newspaper of every day
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: of that time and how it looked from all those
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: different angles. But what I really appreciated was that baseball,
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: maybe more than any other single aspect of American life,
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: has had a dedicated ranks of historians who have you know,
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: documented the game in such detail, and it's literally your fingertips.
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: You can put in a date and a game and
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: find it, you know virtually what happened pitch by pitch
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: because they've put it all in the record. And I
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: was just astounded by, you know, what these baseball historians
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: had already done, most of them not professional. The Society
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: for American Baseball Research is just an astounding organization that,
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: you know, I owe them a huge debt of thanks
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: for all that they you know, curated for me.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Randall Sullivan is in our guest here on the Sean
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: O'Connell Show. He wrote a book, The First All Star Game,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: America's Game of the Century. Really something you should check
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: out from the sports historian perspective and from the history
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: of the United States perspective, because the other backdrop here,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: right was that, you know, Hitler had taken power in
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Germany and this was at the World's Fair in Chicago,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: was there not a swastika on display on a zeppelin
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: or something at the World's Fair in Chicago.
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, Hitler became Chancellor of
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: Germany and Roosevelt became President of the United States about
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: two weeks apart, so it was you know, an incredible time.
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: But yeah, among the many, you know, foreign delegations was
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: a giant airship that was sent by Germany, and it
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: did indeed have a swastika emblazoned on it, and it
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: came in low over the fair, you know, and not
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: literally cast a shadow over the entire midway, but people
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: were celebrating. It wasn't perceived at the time that Germany
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: and Hitler and even Nazism was any great threat to
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: the world, which he was, just you know, somebody like Roosevelt,
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: who was, you know, a great talker, who was trying
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: to revive the press country.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: It paints such an interesting picture in my mind, whether
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: it actually happened this way or not, but I see
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: in my mind's eye, like Babe Ruth at the plate
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: in an All Star game, and somewhere off in the
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: distance that airship, and just like the juxtaposition of sport
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: and politics and sport and world stage has always happened,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: but man, what a time for it to be taking
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: place at the World's Fair in Chicago. From a Chicago perspective,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're out here in Salt Lake City, and
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know if people have family there like I do.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know if people feel any kind of connection
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: to the city of Chicago, but it is one of
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: our great sports town in the United States, and you know,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: it feels like the city itself. Maybe I don't you
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: tell me whether it benefited from this game or whether
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: it helped. This game helped establish Chicago as one of
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: the places we make synonymous with American sport.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: What was the city's role in this.
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: Well, it certainly contributed. I mean, the World's Fair was
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: huge for Chicago. Chicago was sort of stuck with the
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: World's Fair. They voted the bond to do it on
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: October twenty eighth, nineteen twenty nine, the day before the
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: stock market crashed. So in this wave of enthusiasm about
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: you know, America's economic ascendants, they were stuck with this
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: thing in America's economic collapse. But they really rallied and
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: put together vocabulous worlds Fair and by a series of
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: amazing coincidences, which began with the attempted assassination of President
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: elect Roosevelt. These events triggered one after another like Domino's
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: leading up to this game, this game becoming part of
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: the World's Fair. It almost seems like State was making
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: it happen when you look back through the historical narrative.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Randa, will you be writing the screenplay for a film
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: adaptation or a television mini series adaptation of this story
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: because there's just so many elements to it and the
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: cast of characters. Just from this conversation, I mean, you
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: could have. It seems like it's a very cinematic backdrop
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: at least.
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: Well, I couldn't agree more. I think it would probably
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: have to be a television series, and a couple of
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: people have approached me about it already. The question I
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: always have is who could play Babe Ruth.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: We'd have to find someone, But you know, I mean,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: it was It was quite amazing to me to.
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: Realize that Babe Ruth and Lou Garrig and all these
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: players were sharing headlines with John Dillinger and Bonnie and
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: Clyde and Charles Lindberg and Charlie Chaplin, all of this was,
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: and Adolf Hitler all of this was you know, you know, coinciding,
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: and that was the to the tableau of the time.
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: And to put baseball in that perspective personally, I found fascinating.
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: And you know, it was really a fun book to
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: write because it's ultimately an uplifting story. It's about something,
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: you know, that really gave the American people a reminder
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: of how good it feels when everything comes together and
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: people really make something happen in a sort of unified way.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Did you have a deep affection for baseball before you
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: started this project.
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: Well, I played baseball every summer from seven to seventeen,
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: so it's pretty insane in my you know, childhood psyche.
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: And I was one of those people who really liked
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: to read about, you know, the old days and the
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: great players. And I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't say
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: that I've had been the most the steadiest baseball fan.
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: I always watched the World Series, but and usually the
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: All Star Game. But you know, I must say writing
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: this book really kind of inspired me, you know, in
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: terms of because it reminded me how thoroughly ingrained baseball
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: is in American history, American culture. There's no other sport
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: that says deep in the fabric of America as baseball.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: What's the next project?
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, if I go to your bibliography here, you've
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: tackled the first All Star Game, the Notorious Big Tupac Feud,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: the murder of Notorious Big Oak Island, and the Conspiracies
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: and Secrets of Oak Island Michael Jackson. I mean, you've
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: got this really broad array of things that you've written on, investigated,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: et cetera. So is there something that you can give us?
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Can you give me like a little preview of what
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: may be coming next?
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: From Randall Sellier?
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: Well, you know, I honestly don't know what the next
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: book is. I'm involved in production and a movie development
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: right now, which is sort of consuming my time and attention.
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: You know, I actually have. I mean, I never thought
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: I was going to become a baseball writer per se.
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: But one book I've been thinking about is actually another
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: baseball story, or a baseball and American history story. But
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: I don't want to give it away because somebody else
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: might take the idea.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, I can appreciate that I've written a
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: couple of books myself. Not in your world's just science fiction,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: dumb stuff. But so I always ask this question for
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: people who are listening to this conversation and they want
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: to acquire your book, where can they get it that
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: benefits you the best? There's not You don't always have
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: the same deal with every bookseller, et cetera. Where is
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: the preferable source of Randall Sullivan writing? So it maximizes
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: your earnings, your satisfaction, whatever.
• 44:58
  Speaker 7: Well, you know, be honest, I make more money if
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: you buy it in a bookstore rather than on Amazon.
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: But the reality is that sixty percent of the books
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: I sell will probably be on Amazon. But I really
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: hope you will, hope people will continue to support bookstores,
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: especially independent bookstores. So I mean, I'm always happy to
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: see and the last two books I've written have been
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: for some reason, they've done better in bookstores than they
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: have on Amazon. So that's actually been quite encouraging to me.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: That's cool, that's good to know.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: So if you're out there listening, go find the First
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: All Star Game by Randall Sullivan at a bookstore, bookstore,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: potentially an independent bookstore if you have to. If you
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: can't find another place, then go ahead. And pick it
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: up on Amazon. And yeah, immerse yourself in the history
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: of baseball and the backdrop of the mob and assassination
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: attempts on the president of the United States and on
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Hitler's righte to power in Germany.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is Randall.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: This is like, it's like the ven diagram of all
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: the things that me as a forty two year old
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: father slash sports fan. This is all the stuff I
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: need to read anyway, So I cannot wait to tackle
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: this book.
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: Well that's crazy, hear, and I hope plenty join you.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Randall, Thank you so much for your time.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: And I'm gonna I'm gonna ask for a commitment now
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: that when the new book is out, or when you're
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: ready to tell people what that book is, please come
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: back on and let us know.
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: I'd be happy to happy, please and honor.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: That's Randall Sullivan. Go check out his new book, The
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: First All Star Game America at the Crossroads. It is
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: available on Amazon wherever you get your books, Go find
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: it at a bookstore. If you want to maximize what
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Randall gets out of it, great great stuff. Just do
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: yourself a paper. Whether you're going to purchase it on
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Amazon or not. Go find the blurb and I promise
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: you're going to want to purchase this book. Go just
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: read the little you know, the little tease the back cover,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: and I promise you're gonna want to get this book.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: There's just the cast of characters alone, Babe, Ruth, Lou Garrig,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Lefty Grove, Al Capone, Bonnie and Clyde, Charles Lindberg, Adolf Hitler, Fdr.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: James.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Great job getting that conversation lined up for us. I
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: love stuff like this. Man, sports and history together awesome.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: And as you.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Said, you know, I'm looking I'm looking up Randall in particular,
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, he must have written a lot of
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: sports books. No, Like he writes about everything, particularly a
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: lot about history. This is one of the few that
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: are that are you know, sports plays a big role
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: in in the story of the of the book. But
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: he's uh, he's a well rounded uh individual history and
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: pop culture and this seems like it was all of
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: that in one with the first All Star Game in
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: nineteen thirty three.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, look at this, here's another Randall Sullivan book. This
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: dude is like exactly my entertainment slash spare time consumption Wavelength,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: The Devil's Best Trick. This is a book that he wrote,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: part true crime story, part religious and literary history. An
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: investigation into the nature of evil and the figure of
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: the Devil by Acclaim journalist Randall Sullivan. An examination of
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: our understanding of all the things that we've attributed to
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: the devil.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: To evil, to all like this is.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: And then a sports book, and also a book about
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Tupac and Biggie, and also a Michael Jackson book, and
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: also a book on Oak Island.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Did you ever dive into the Oak Island thing that
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: History Channel? I have not.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: I first became aware of Oak Island because my brother
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: had a Rolling Stone magazine subscription when we were young.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: So when I was like a young teenager, I read
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: about the Curse of Oak Island way back then, long
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: before the television show was out, about people's obsession with
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: trying to find buried pirate treasure on Oak Island, and
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: then it became like a whole ten season History Channel
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: show or something. Go check out Randall Sullivan's work. Big
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: thanks to him for joining us. All Right, America two
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: fifty is happening. We've got this celebration going on nationwide.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: For the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the United
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: States of America.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: We've got some events happening in Utah.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about one of the next on the Sean
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred and ninety two ONEFM.
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: As you were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: the Murdoch Hunting Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: two to one af AM.
• 50:13
  Speaker 8: My bign is here on charlott'connell show.
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  Speaker 1: You guys know how much I love my hometown of Sandy.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: If you have not been to a concert at the
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: Sandy Amphitheater, you are missing out.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: And because I like to hook you up, it actually
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: has nothing to do with me. Because I like to
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: hook you up.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: We're going to give you information on a way for
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: you to get out there to the Sandy Amphitheater on
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: July first for a totally free, one no cost concert
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: brought to you by afp Utah, part of the America
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: to fifty celebration. Kevin and Lexi here from afp Utah
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: to give us more details.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Kevin Lexi, Hello, Hi, how's it going. Thanks for coming
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: in of.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Course, Thanks for letting us come talk about our event.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: We're super excited. America's America's two hundred and fiftyth birthday,
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: so we're super excited to have a big American celebration
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: for all Utahs to come with their family, their friends.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Like you said, we've got a free country concert and
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: we just want to celebrate America.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: So there's usually when we're talking about, oh, it's totally free,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: there's like always a catch. What do you you have
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: to like sign up on some terrible mailing list, you
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: have to end up selling your information to someone.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Not this time, no, I will say the cost is
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: that you have to go to the website let Freedom
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: ring Utah dot com and put in your information and
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: get your tickets.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: At the cost. That's awesome. And who's going to be performing.
• 51:37
  Speaker 9: So we have country music duo Low Cash coming. They
• 51:40
  Speaker 9: will be performing totally free concert. We have Presley Aronson
• 51:44
  Speaker 9: will be opening a country artist as well.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll have a.
• 51:48
  Speaker 9: Couple inspirational speakers celebrating America to fifty, talking about, you know,
• 51:53
  Speaker 9: our first two hundred and fifty years, how the individual
• 51:56
  Speaker 9: you know, just taking one small step to get involved
• 51:59
  Speaker 9: has got us to this point and then yeah, just
• 52:02
  Speaker 9: a big fun bash. We'll have free food vendors and
• 52:05
  Speaker 9: like you said, one hundred percent totally free. We just
• 52:07
  Speaker 9: want to celebrate our country with the people of Utah.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Let Freedom Ring at Utah dot com. You guys know
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: we're a sports station, yep, right, And there's a lot
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: of I don't know if it was on purpose, but
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of big time sports things happening this summer,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: including the World Cup. We get to host the entire
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: world for the most important event. Even though not all
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: of us are hardcore soccer fans, it's undeniable that the
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: World Cup every four years is the biggest sporting event
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: in the world. And Kevin Little Bird told me that
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: you're actually going to a game.
• 52:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so I have a couple of tickets up to
• 52:42
  Speaker 9: one of the knockout games in Seattle July sixth, so
• 52:46
  Speaker 9: right after our concert.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: So you're going to do the concert, celebrate, have fun,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: and then hop on a play and get up to Seattle.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Once in a lifetime chance. Super scoped for it.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: And I assume Lexi is going to be going with
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: you as the occupant of the second ticket. Yeah, I
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: have to ask you about this because I'm just picking
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: everyone's brains about this. You guys know about the other
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: sports event that's happening as part of the America two
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: fifty celebration. You've heard about the UFC event on the
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: White House lawn. LEXI, you're looking at me like you
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: have not heard about house? Okay, this is amazing. So
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: current President Donald Trump and UFC President Dana White happened
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: to be like close friends, and they came up with
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: this hairbrain scheme to stage a sporting event, a.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Cage fight, on the lawn of the White House.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: It's happening in a couple of weeks, two saturdays from now,
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: as part of the America two fifty celebration. But this
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: is the exact reaction I wanted from someone who's like
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: not necessarily in that world. Like, when I tell you
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: cage fight, White House lawn, patriotic event, what's going through
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: your mind.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: I'm just I'm part of me is shocked, But I'm
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: even more shocked that I'm not that shocked.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little niche, but it is happening where
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: celebrate Everyone gets to celebrate America's two hundred and fifty
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: years in their own way, So go big if you
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: want to. If you haven't to find a way to
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: get to that event, you are more important than me.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: But this concert at the Sandy Amphitheater is for everybody.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Let freedom ring Utah dot com low cash would you
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: say it.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Was opening Presley Aronson.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Presley Aronson's gonna be there, Our stations are all gonna
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: be there. We're gonna have a great time. And it
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: is important to note in today's political climate, this is
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: a celebration of America, and for me, America means everybody
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: that's the American dream.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: We are all welcome here.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: This is a nonpartisan This is a get out there,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: listen to some great music with your neighbors, all walks
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: of life, colors, creeds, that or Everybody's welcome.
• 55:01
  Speaker 9: This is not a political event. We've made it two
• 55:05
  Speaker 9: hundred and fifty years. Let's celebrate and make sure we
• 55:08
  Speaker 9: make it two hundred and fifty more. The American spirit,
• 55:11
  Speaker 9: American ideals are are universal and so that's what we
• 55:14
  Speaker 9: want to celebrate with everybody in the area.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: How can people get more involved with afp Utah.
• 55:21
  Speaker 9: So one come to this, Yeah, and then prosperity elevated
• 55:26
  Speaker 9: Dot com is our state chapter website.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: You can learn more about what we're doing there. But yeah, just.
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: Visit the website for the concert, get your tickets there,
• 55:35
  Speaker 9: and then come learn more about us on July first
• 55:37
  Speaker 9: as well.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: LEXI, give us that concert website one more time.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Let Freedom Ring Utah dot com.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Even a great website, low cash. Coming to Sandy Amphitheater.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: It's July first. Don't even have to look at your calendar. People,
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: that is a Wednesday. You don't have anything else going on.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Get down there to Sandy. That's God's Country, as I
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: like to say, my hometown and enjoy a little country
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: music totally for free. Let Freedom Ring Utah dot com. Kevin, Lexi,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: thanks for coming in, Thanks for having us. Sean O'Connell show,
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: and let's get to an important topic. Texas Tech is
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: the number one villain in all of college sports right now,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: and it's good for the entire Big Twelve.
• 56:19
  Speaker 10: It's the Beclaire.
• 56:22
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  Speaker 2: And what Scary movie coming to theaters Friday. ESPN seven
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• 57:12
  Speaker 2: us on the ESPN YouTube ESPN seven hundred Sports at
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: Utah on YouTube. You know how all of your favorite stories,
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: all of your favorite movies, they've got these incredible heroes.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: They've got this.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Rising action, an incredible sort of crescendo of explosions, and
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Avengers assemble and all that kind of stuff, this lightsaber duel,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: and then there's the following action and all the like.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: The Schwarm scenes.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: But your favorite stories all have great villains also, right.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: We love those heroic stories when they over come something significant,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: when they overcome something, when they beat something daunting, when
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: there's something to root against, some evil out there to
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: root against. We love that. That's our favorite stories in
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: pop culture. I would make the argument also in sports,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: And because I believe this so firmly, I have come
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: around to a surprising and somewhat new appreciation for everything
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: that's happening in Lubbock, Texas. Texas Tech is by all
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: accounts for Utah or BYU for Arizona State, for everyone
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: in the Big Twelve.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: They are villains.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: They are this big bully on the block that has
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: a billionaire donor who's willing to spend unimaginable amounts of
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: money to give Texas Tech Athletics whatever they want. It
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: is a jealousy situation. It is a no, you don't
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: deserve that. You can't just buy your way into prominence
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: situation suation. I was a skeptic going into last year.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: If you were listening to my show this time of
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: year last year, if you were listening to my show
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: even at Big twelve media days last year, I was like,
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: I actually don't think Texas Tech's going to be that good.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: Because they went out and they got all these all
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: star like level talents, they didn't actually purchase a lot
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: of production. If you looked at like David Bailey, who
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: ended up being unbelievable at Texas Tech, David Bailey was
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: really good at Stanford, but he wasn't a world beater.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Right If you look at Ramelo Height.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Ramelo Height was a disappointment at USC and at Georgia Tech.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: He never lived up to his recruiting potential. He was
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: one of the highest rated guys at his position coming
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: out of high school, and his production had yet to
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: say anything even close to that. I was looking at
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech last year and just being like, yeah, prove it,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: we'll see. And obviously their coaching staff is excellent. Their
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: team culture in a very much transactional and mercenary environment
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: was much better than I gave it credit for, and
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech ended up being a really good football team.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Now I'm not rooting for them.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: But I have found a particular affection for Texas Tech
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: because Texas Tech is going to force eyes and conversation
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: onto the Big Twelve Conference and Utah and everybody else.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: They get to kind of like bask in the after
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: effects of that, especially whoever ends up playing Texas Tech
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: next year in a presumed matchup in a Big Twelve
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: championship game. Now, I know there's a lot of things
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: that have to happen before you actually get that to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: be reality, but right now Texas Tech is embracing this
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: role of villain, there being a heel. Brett Yormark decided
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: that one of the marketing partners he wanted to have
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: for the Big twelve conference was WWE. Right, they did
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: that whole campaign last year where you had a wrestling
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: event on a Friday night and then the games on
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: campus on Saturday. I haven't seen an announcement of the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: same thing coming up this year, so we'll see. I
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: imagine that the TKO Group, which now owns the WWE,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: might have something to say about whether or not that
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: was successful enough.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: But we'll see how that plays out.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: We'll get an announcement if we're going to get one
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: at Big twelve media Days.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: But Bretty or Mark.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Decided, you know what, that sort of like crossover, that
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: blurred line between sport and spectacle. I want that to
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: be a partner of ours in Big twelve Athletics. And
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: I think that Texas Tech more than anybody else, jumped
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: on that bandwagon and was like, yeah, you know what,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: this might be good. No such thing as bad attention
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: in today's media cycle. Texas Tech being front of mind. Obviously,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: the money helps more than anything to be front of
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: mind for recruits, but being front of mine for recruits
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: is great, it doesn't get you everything that you want.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: It doesn't get you the invitation to the party that
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: you may need eventually, if the SEC and the Big
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Ten decide that they're breaking away or decide that they're
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: going to consolidate power or whatever. Right, Texas Tech, just
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: like Utah, is posturing and positioning and trying to put
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: themselves on the right side of that line of demarcation.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Whenever it comes down. There's a guillotine that is going
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: to drop someday on college sports, and the people who
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: are on the right side of the of the line
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: are going to be financially flush, and the people on
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: the other side of the line are not going to disappear.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: They're not gonna die. They're not going to evaporate.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Not in football, not in basketball, but in some of
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: those other sports we were talking about at.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: The beginning of the show.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: They are well, Texas Tech is leaning into their villain
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: role in every sport right now.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Just think of what Texas Tech is doing.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, not only do people have a certain amount of
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: distaste for the way that they have purchased their way
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: into relevance. And sorry, folks in Lublock, you can't say
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: it's anything else, all right. A long time ago, you
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: had Mike Leach and he made you interesting for a
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: while because he's a coaching genius and he's an innovator.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: And then you ran him out of town and he went,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: unfortunately to his grave in a legal battle with you
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: over money that he felt he was owed for wrongful termination.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: And then Texas Tech labored in mediocrity and relative obscurity
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: until nil rules allowed for a former player who is
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: a billionaire to come to the athletic department and say,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: let me be the one who saves you from yourselves,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: and let's get a second target here, and let's build
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: target number two. Let's build this store target number two,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: and you know what, we might get an ARB someday.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They Texas Tech bought their way into relevance.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Now, if you're a fan, if you're a Utah fan,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: if you're an Ohio State fan, you're looking at them
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: with a side eye and you're just gonna give me
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: a break.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Man, this sucks. Yeah we are. We don't like you,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Texas Tech.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: You're just buying all the best recruits, not because you
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: have a better football program, you have better history, you
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: have better anything not because Lubbock is a great place
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: to live or the education there at Texas Tech University
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: is fantastic.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: It's not about that. It's about you being able to
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: pay more.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: And there's something in us as college sports fans, I
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: think at sports fans in general, because we feel the
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: same way about the Dodgers, we feel the same way
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: about the Yankees, we feel the same way about all
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: these like I feel that way about the Dallas Cowboys,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: even in a hard cap league like stop it. So
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: we already have that working against Texas Tech in our
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: collective sports fan minds. And you know what, they don't
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: shy away from it at all. If they were trying
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: to shy away from it, they would be acting like
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: BYU does. BYU is constantly talking about. No, it's because
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: it's a special place. That's why people want to be here.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: We're not going to be the highest bidder on anything.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: BYU is not relevant because of spending. BYU is not
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: better off athletically because of nil positioning. They're trying to
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: convince themselves of that while they're trying to convince everyone
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: else of that. You know what Texas Tech is doing.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: They're giving a microphone to Cody Campbell.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're saying, hey, this guy has a lot of money.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: That's why we were able to have the football team
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: we've had, That's why we were able to get the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: softball team. Real they're not in that, and we're perfectly comfortable.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: They're not even like, hey, Cody, like act act like
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: an old money billionaire. Okay, don't be this nouveau reche.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: It's so ghost of you to be out there bragging
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: about your money. They don't say, Cody Campbell, I don't
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: want you talking about how much money you give. I
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: don't want you talking about who's making money. I don't
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: want you talking about any of this stuff. I don't
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: want you offering publicly to pay buyouts. When Texas talks
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: crap on us, they're like, yeah, dude, go for it.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: Cody, you got carte blanche to do whatever you want.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: Is to add another another term now.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: And here, and by the way, he is leaning into
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: this heel status as well.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: And Texas. You know what Texas Tech.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Is doing right now, ladies and gentlemen, Texas Tech is,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: with a straight face, trying to convince the entire college
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: sports world. Then it's okay that their projected starting quarterback
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: has a serious sports gambling problem, and he should be
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: allowed after betting on college games where he was a
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: member of the team he was betting on. They are
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: trying to convince us, unapologetically, not ironically, to say, yeah,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: this guy should be able to play.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: They're doing that right now. They don't give a you
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: know what.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: About how we feel, you feel anybody outside of UB.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: With Texas fields.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: They don't care how the Big Twelve Conference feels about
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: this pr nightmare that they are turning into that. They
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: are Connor McGregor right now. You either love him or
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: you love to hate him. Connor McGregor's too strong. They're
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Jake Paul is what they are.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go, a little more, little less mainstream.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, you know what, we are going to
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: be the squeaky wheel everywhere we show up. You know
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: how ridiculous it is that the decision has been made
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: at Texas Tech to try to get Brendan Sores be eligible.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Do you know how much money is going to be
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: wasted on this? Do you know how silly it is
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: from an actual integrity of the game standpoint to pretend
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: that you are going to like put Brendan Soresby on
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: a college football field this year when just a couple
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: of months ago we found out he had bet ninety
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: thousand plus dollars. He was wiring money to friends so
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: they could bet for him. He was deliberately trying to
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: conceal his betting and his betting behaviors because he knew
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: it was illegal. And their whole defense is, well, it's
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: an addiction, and you're not accountable if it's an addiction.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: The message that that sends they don't care. Texas Tech
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: is embracing the role. They have gone firmly to the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: dark side, and they are now sitting with a cowl over.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Their faces so you can't see their eyes.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: They've just got the gnarly Emperor Palpiti teeth and they're.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: Just like, this Battle of Station is fully operational. They
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: don't give a bleep.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: And I love it about Texas Tech leaning into this
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: because the SEC is looking at it and just going
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: like ooh ooh, those new money Texas brats, and the
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Big Ten is just like, well they're not that good.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: We saw what happened when we put them in a
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: college football playoff.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: But man, well they just shut up.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: I mean it's people are gonna hate watch Texas Tech,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: which means the rest of the Big twelve catches astray
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: here and there, and people are just gonna be like,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: oh man, I hope somebody beat Texas Tech.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: I wish desperately Utah and BYU had regular season matchups
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: with Texas Tech where all those hate watchers get to
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: see the product of Utah football because they are hate
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: watching Texas Tech.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: That's where it's most beneficial.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: But I think Texas Tech, even without Soorsby, might be
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: good enough to get to a conference championship game, in
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: which case they will be playing most likely against Utah
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: or BYU. And in that case, now this state actually
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: gets the real benefit of being in a conference with
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: like Texas Tech is now becoming hateable in the same
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: way that USC is hatable. Right, USC was from the
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: traditional standpoint, they were the big money, the flashy, the
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: la the man they want or we want what they have,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: but we actually think we can beat them, and no,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: it turns out we can beat them. It turns out
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: we're as good as them. Now Utah's got to prove
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: that still with Texas Tech. But eventually they're going to
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: get there like you.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Did with USC.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Right, that distaste you have in your heart for USC
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: athletics that now can be applied to Texas Tech because
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: through the non traditional means, Texas Tech is in the
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: same exact spot that USC used to be. USC used
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: to do it with bags of cant for Reggie Bush,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech now does it legally with wires of cash
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: into the bank accounts from Cody Campbell. And it's not
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: just in football. The Brendan Soarsby thing is the most
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: absurd and ridiculous and obnoxious villain behavior that we have
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: had in college sports since I don't know when I'm
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: trying to think of what the most direct equivalent of
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: this was. It's Georgia with all of their insane speeding.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: They're just flouting of traffic laws.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: Even the even the former Georgia players they're now Eagles,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: are getting into trouble with that as NFL players.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's as hateable as the like the old days
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: of Miami football. Oh yeah, the rebel the Catholics versus
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: convicts type era.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: Of Miami football where they were like probably the best comparison.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: They were like out on like yachts and wearing gold
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: chains and driving fancy cars, and everyone just like what.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: Showed up to the showed up to the National Championship
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: Game and army fatigues.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: A lot of people hated that there's.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Just Texas Tech is leaning this far into it, so
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: far into it that even in softball, if you've been
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: watching any of the World the Women's College World Series,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: even the highlights of the Women's College World Series, you
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: had a handshake line mix up. They almost got in
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: a fight in the handshake line. That was incredible, That
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: was fantastic. If you miss that, you can at least
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: see the excessive celebrations of the dads, including white chocolate.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: You knew about this.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: Jason Williams, the former Sacramento King, his daughter Mia is
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: a really excellent player.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: A transfer. They did a Zapruder.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: Film breakdown on ESPN On espn W, there was a
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: hand shake line situation a Tennessee transfer in the Women's
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: College World Series. She transferred to Texas Tech allegedly for
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: a lucrative sum of money.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: She transfers to Tech.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: Tennessee beats Tech in the round robin face in the
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: pool play of the Women's College World Series, one player
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: starts spouting off at the mouth, causing some kind of
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: like scuffle, a little kerfuffle going on postgame after the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: handshake line and the Texas Tech player, the former Tennessee
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: vall who was playing against her old team, and her
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: old team beat her. She said that a coach told her,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: like made some snide comment about how she made a
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: mistake transferring to Texas Tech, and that's why she started
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: to pop off. Well, the reality of the situation is
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: they went into the film study. I mean they were
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: like slow motion the little circle where they highlight and
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: make that circle bright and the rest of the screen
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: gets dark, and it looks like she'd completely made the
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: whole thing up. You can't you can't register. You can't
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: tell that the opposing coach said anything to her at all.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: It was Taylor Panell. She accused Karen Weekley, a Tennessee
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: coach who was her former coach, and the coach was like,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't say that.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: And then the.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: Video when the video breaked out, it looks like she
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: just flat out lied so she could get mad and
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: try to pick a fight. But again, this is what
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech is becoming athletically and leaning into.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: I applaud and I still applauded, or I applauded and
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: I still applaud is the right way to say that.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: When Texas was talking their smack, when Sark opened his
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: big mouth when he shouldn't have, and Tech was like,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: all right, fine, then let's le's do it.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Let's play.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: We'll pay the buyout for your Week one game and
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: we'll pay the buy out for our Week one game
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: at Abilene Christian and Texas State get their money and
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: we get to play. You you see what they're doing.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: Anytime there's an opportunity for Texas Tech to be in
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: the headlines, they are in the headlines and they are
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: unapologetic about it.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Now, I don't know that this heel turn would work
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: for Utah.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: I think that the identity of the program moving forward is.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: Going to be a little too wholesome.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: I think that the intellectual brutality kind of approach is
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: more realistic with Utah football. You obviously aren't going to
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: be the hated big spender because you don't have the
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: Cody Campbell, at least we don't know as of yet.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not a billionaire yet, sorry people. Also, if I
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: was a billionaire, I think i'd buy Weaber State's way
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: into the Big Ten.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: That'd be pretty sick.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: But in any case, Texas Tech has put themselves in
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: this category of hateable, but you're gonna watch. I don't
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: like you, but I'm gonna watch maybe so I could
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: see you get beat. And that is actually beneficial for
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: the Big twelve conference because they are going to be
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: in headlines. They are going to be in college football discussions,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: and if you don't have that in your conference, you
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: don't have anything. Who in the in the ACC is
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: being talked about right now, middle of June, not a
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: whole lot going on. Who in the ACC is being
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: talked about as a university? Is there anyone I read
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: the headline? I'm eight seven seven three five three zero
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: seven hundred. I'm being genuine here. Is there any school
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: that I am missing? That I am and I am
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: prone to doing this? So what Clemson's typically that one lately?
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: But unless Davo's saying because the because the product on
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: the field has not been what it was even when
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: they won the ACC last year got into the playoff,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: it's not the Clemson anything close to the Clemson that
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: was winning national championships I mean last year, I mean
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: ten years ago.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: Here's what it is.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, this is this is right now, the headline about
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: the ACC.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: The SEC and the Big Ten are in the headlines
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: because they're jointly opposing the college the Save College Sports,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: Protect College Sports bill, all right, and they're always in
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: the headlines because they've always got something going on.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech is in the headlines because they're stirring up
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: controversy everywhere and they're picking fights with Texas. All right,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: good job, Texas. Here in the headlines, Texas Tech, you're
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: in the headlines. Okay, good job. The ACC is in
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: because Malachi Tony is on the cover of the new
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: ESPN College Football Game.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, yet Miami made it to the National Championship Game.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Of course they did.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that my I'm not saying that the
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: ACC is not, you know, dangerous, is not in a
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: good position. What I'm saying is, in this never ending
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: soap opera of college sports and of sports in general,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: you have to find a way from a conference perspective
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: to keep yourself in the national consciousness, to keep yourself
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: in the in the public eye, or at least in
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: the public mind's eye and right now Texas Tech is
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: carrying that water.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's the attention currency, right, And you're right.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: Even with Miami being in the National Championship Game, I
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: started to I started off talking about Clemson being the
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: recent flag bear, completely forgetting momentarily that that they had
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: a team in the National Championship Game last year.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: It was Clemson.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: And the funny thing is Miami is the team that
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: should be doing this.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they should be the.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: Miami should just be like, yeah, dude, we're on our
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: way to another National Championship appearance.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: This is Miami.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: Look at our guy flying his private jets to South Beach,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: like Miami should be doing that. You should be forcing themselves.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: And guess what Utah like in your own brand. You
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: can't copy Texas Tech. You can't copy Miami, you can't
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: copy the SEC.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: You can't Like, I don't want Morgan Scally to be the.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: One that's doing the sark thing, just like, well there's
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: another school in our state.
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  Speaker 1: You sound like an idiot. You look like an idiot.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: Morgan's not gonna have to do that, but you I
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: hate that.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: This is what it is, but this is what it
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: is it's theater in this time of year, right, you
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: gotta be an active participant in the theater.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: Good job, Texas Tech. I guess we hate you, but
• 1:19:56
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  Speaker 10: Just look for the truck with the.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: Duck Curse coming to Chicago. Caleb Williams is on the
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: cover of Madden. The Madden Curse is going to extend
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: even further for the Bears this year. The Chicago's going
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: to lose the team. They're gonna move to Indiana hamon
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: Indiana Bears after this season. So you said they're going
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: to lose the team, and I'm thinking, oh, he's a
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: tongue in cheek, because what else, what else bad could
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: happen to the Bears? And then you say, oh yeah,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: and then I go, oh yeah, they're moving out of Chicago,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: which probably maybe it's It seems like the most likely
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: thing now is that they're probably going to move to
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: an Indiana suburb of Chicago. It's part of the Greater
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: Chicago metroplex. Not even in Illinois. It's in Hamon, Indiana.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: It's right there on the border. It's and it's it's
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: kind of like the San Francisco forty nine ers playing
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: Santa Clara forty minutes south of San Francisco, except at.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: Least it's not in Idaho or an Areno. That was right,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: Like this.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: Is like that would suck if it was like Chicago.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: The Chicago Bears are still gonna be called the Chicago Bears.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: But all the detractors, all those NFC North opponents.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: Are just gonna be like, you're not even in Chicago, dude,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: I mean the Indiana Bears, You're not even there.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: Now it used to be more of an insult but
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: now Indiana apparently he's a football state after Kurtzignett.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: That's a good point.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: It's like it'd be like if Saint George was a
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: much bigger city. But and there they go a sports
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: team and it's all but it's in Mesquite, Nevada. Like
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: it's just it's like, okay, it's in the general area,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: but it's not even in the same state.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams did say it was on his uh, it
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: was a childhood dream to be on the Madden cover.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: And now he is on the Madden cover. They've got
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: him doing like a jumpman pose, like a jumping throw.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: It's stupid. Caleb Williams, he had a.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: Really great season last year and now he's gonna have
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: a bad one because the Madden curse is living in
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: real Here's so he did have a really good season
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: compared to his was that just his second year. It
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: feels like it feels like he's been in Chicago for
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: at least, like this would be his fourth season. Anyway,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: his his second year was an upgrade, was a he
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: progressed from his rookie year. Absolutely, the team absolutely did
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: a lot better, but he also had plenty of times
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: where you're making where he's making head scratching plays maybe
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: you know, missing receivers and throwing interceptions or whatever. So like,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: if he has a bad year, yes, it's fair to say,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: you know, because of the history of the Madden Cover athlete,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: the Madden Curse, whatever, but also.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: It might it could also.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: Just be that he just wasn't He's just still not
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: as good as you're you expect a number one overall
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: pick to be and listen, I think he's gonna get there,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: but like, I'm not, I'm not completely on. I'm not
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: a I'm a detractor of Caleb Williams enough where I
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: don't believe he's gonna up to the hype.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: But he's just.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: Even in his really good year last year, he left
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: a lot wanting.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean he's a second year player. Yeah,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: I don't like that's true.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: We all, we all find reasons to dislike Kayleb Williams
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: because he's everything you didn't like. Right, blue blood program
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: transferred to a blue or blood program and just happened
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: to be USC, so we automatically hated USC. And he
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: never was able to beat Utah. So we feel like
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: this this boldy mentality toward him, and he did the
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: bleep utah on his fingernails, which he and by the way,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: I've I've talked to him a couple of times. We
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: talked to him at Peck twelve Media Days a couple
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: of times. He's a charismatic kid. But he is very
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: much a different generation. There's a lot of conversation in
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: the draft process about it. He's like the first true
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: gen Z quarterback. He's like, he's the first of that
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: kind of crop of guys that maybe the old school
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: NFL heads aren't gonna have an easy time understanding because
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: he likes to do TikTok dances just as much as
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: he likes to play football. And if you're even five
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: or ten years older than that, you're just like, that
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: is behavior for girls.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: That is weird.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: That's not how a young man in your position as
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: a starting quarterback is supposed to act. But like that
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: generation truly doesn't see it that way. Caleb Williams is
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: very much that you get a sense interviewing him talking
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: to him that there's nothing wrong with the guy. He
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: just like is from a different generation where you live
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: online and you know your trash talk is not punished
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: in person, and he was like learning through the process
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: of college football that like oh yeah, wait, when I
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: look do or say something that they also get to
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: have something to say about it, Like Caleb Williams is.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's a good quarterback. He's in freakish athletic talent.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: He's an incredible improviser. He is like our guy Eric
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: Weddle will beat home this point. I don't know how
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: good he is at playing in the pocket yet, and
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: you have to get better at playing in the pocket.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: He's far from elite because what he's best at, what
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: he's elite at is off schedule, off platform improvisation in
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: pocket like boring stuff, the Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: Rodgers stuff. He's not good at that yet. He's not
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: great at that yet. He's good at he's not great
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: at it yet. But now he's going to take a
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: backwards step because he's on the Madden cover. Sorry about
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: your poor decision, Caleb Williams. Also sorry about the decision
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: that that photographer made to have that be the picture
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: on the front of the Madden cover or.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: The guy who's representing Chicago Great athletes right now to
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: do a jumpman pose is and when he's clearly not
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: speaking of.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: The Indiana Bears. I don't know if you saw this
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: little quirk of broadcasting. The city of Indianapolis on Game
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: one of the Stanley Cup Final last night had no
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: announcer audio.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did hear.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: So if you're watching the game, you're hearing the ambient
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: sounds of the game.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: There was no broadcast audio.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: The microphones were not on specifically in indian Appolis, just
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: in Indianapolis because like didn't notice that here it was.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: It was Sean McDonough right, Yeah, Sean McDonough right, Ray
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: Ferrero always always good, real quick.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: Our guy Derek h texted in and said he was
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: initially irritated that Stafford wasn't on the cover of Madden.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: Then he remembered the Madden Curse and he's like, you
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: know what, I'm thrilled it's Caleb Williams because I've excited
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: for his downfall.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: What if Miles Garrett was on the cover and like
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: the rams got just like this cursed, terrible version.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: Of him, You just traded for a curse. Yeah, that'd
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: be that'd be terrible speak. It's capably speaking of uh
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: Miles Garrett.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: Aaron Donald was asked again and he he said he's
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: he now said he's flirting with the idea of coming
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: back to play alongside Miles Garrett. I'm trying to figure
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: out how many weeks it takes before we get the
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: official announcement. He's not gonna want to be part of OTAs.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be, won't be this month. It's
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: not gonna I don't even think like he's definitely not
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: gonna want to be part of the preseason. I don't
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: he's not gonna want to go to camp. Veteran guys
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: don't enjoy that. They don't like it. It's not something
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: that they think is constructive for them. So and I
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: really would love to be a fly on the wall
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: and know when Sean McVay and Less Snead and Matthew
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: Stafford and all these guys, they know that he is special,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: that Aaron Donald is a special talent, he's a special player.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: They think that they're about to have a special season. Right.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: Do they want Aaron Donald to be like fully in
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: from the get go or are they like, yeah, he's
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: Aaron Donald. If he wants to come in at the
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: bye week, then we'll let him if he wants to
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: come in for just a playoff run. That is extreme
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: behavior that I don't think serves anyone. But they want
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: him back. Of course they want him back. Are they like, well,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: if he's gonna be back, he needs to be all
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: the way back, or they just like, we'll take whenever
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: we can get out of him, it'll be awesome. I
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: really would like the truth seer answer on that, because
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: ninety nine point nine percent of all human beings, you're
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: gonna say, dude, you're an awesome player, but if I
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: have to go through this, you have to go through this,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: Aaron Donald, is that point zero one percent that you
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: can say, uh yeah, dude, like I do it how
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: you have to do it, Do how you want to
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: do it. He's the Lawrence Taylor of this generation. Lawrence Taylor.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: They were like, he missed practice, Oh, practice is canceled.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: Why you can't slay practice? So I don't have to
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: find Lawrence Taylor because oh, what's that? Lawrence Taylor stayed
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: up all night on a cocaine bender and showed up
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: randomly on game day ready to play. All right, Lawrence,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: here's your helmet. They didn't enforce anything. They don't do
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: anything to Like, Aaron Donald probably has that level of
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: autonomy with this Rams team, But does he want to
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: exercise it? And if he does, is it something that
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: they are truly supportive of? Are they gonna be like,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: come on, dude, you can't be like, oh, Miles Garrett's
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: back now, let me set a terrible example of expectations
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: in this franchise for Miles Garrett.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's particularly rare that Aaron Donald may be able
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: to wield that kind of autonomy, that kind of power.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: Oh see, given that he's not a quarterback too, Like
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: we hear we've been hearing Aaron Rodgers doing this stuff
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: for years now. The other thing about Tom Brady would
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: do this stuff skip preseason. We hear that sort of thing.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: But that's your star quarterback. This is a rare thing
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: being a non quarterback.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: And for a quarterback to do it is actually costly
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: for a team. For a defensive lineman to do it
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: is not. Yeah, like poona Ford, who is the current
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: starter at nose tackle for the Rams. Poona Ford take
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: all the reps. Man, have your fun when Aaron Donald
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: comes back. You're a really good player. When Aaron Donald
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: comes back, he's a better player. We could just throw
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: him in there at your position, at one of the
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: end positions. We could have him play outside linebacker. So
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's a lot more plug and play
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: on defensive line than it is at quarterback. But you're right,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of these guys that are just like, yeah,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: I'm the most important guy in the room, and so
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: I could exercise that power. I don't think he's that
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: he's cut from back cloth necessarily, but we'll see. Last
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• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: a PFL event there this year, are you really?
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So this will be the second biggest event.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: This will be happening the second biggest event at the
• 1:32:54
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• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 4: So it's gonna sound really familiar for a couple of reasons.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: It sounds close. It sounds like the Four Nations face off,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: but it's not that. And it sounds like the NBA
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: All Star US versus World thing they did this last
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: year that ended up being really successful, but it's.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: Not quite that.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: So five teams Canada, Finland, Sweden, the United States and
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: a World team which is effectively just gonna be Russian players.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, all the other officially, it's all the other
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: non North American players that are front that are not
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: from Finland or Sweden.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: So it's gonna be Czech Republic and Russia. Yeah.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: So Veggie on this team, a couple of Germans, at
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: least one German.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Veggie could be on this team. Petka could be
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: on this team.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, uh, you know, Leon Drysidel will be involved in this,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: and then it'll be like Ovechkin, yeah, Russians, yeah, which
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: is again I've said it before. I am fully able, willing,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: excited to separate politics from athletics when it comes to
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: stuff like this.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: Now, if you are able to have a Russian team, yeah, if.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: You're a if you're a Russian athlete who's like wearing
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin shirts to the arena every single every single day,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: you're asking for politics and sports to cross over. And
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: in that case, maybe people will want to exclude you
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: from something like this. But if you're just somewhat of
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: Russian descent, who's like, uh, yeah, I wish I could
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: play in the Olympics. I wish I could play in
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: an All Star game. That'd be cool. I think this
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: is a nice workaround for the NHL. My hope is
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: that they will allow Russian born athletes to participate here.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: So those five teams Canada, Finland, Sweden, United States, and World,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: which maybe allows for more mammoth players to get involved.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: They will play.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: It'll be eleven players per team, nine skaters, two goaltenders
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: to play reeon three hockey, and they'll play five minute
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: games during a round robin format, no overtime period, no shootout.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: You get two points for a win in that five
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: minute game. One point for a tie, zero points for
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: a loss.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: So it's the regular season same as regular season games,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: your same point totals there, except you don't have an overtime,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: so you can't so you have a tie, you get
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: a point there.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: The top two teams then playing a ten minute All
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: Star final based on the following point system. Here's my
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: only issue with this, all right, five minutes per game
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  Speaker 2: is gonna lead.
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  Speaker 10: To a lot of zero zero games.
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  Speaker 4: I think you're gonna get but three on three spacing
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  Speaker 4: up a little bit if you're amount of score, if
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  Speaker 4: the guys are trying really hard, if the goaltenders are
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: trying really hard, you're gonna get some zero zero games
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: here in a round robin tournament, and there's gonna be ties.
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  Speaker 2: Scoreless time is the worst kind of tie. Yeah, the
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: scoreless tide that this is. This is potential for a
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  Speaker 2: soccer result here. But I always applaud some type of innovation,
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  Speaker 2: some sort of a new idea about the way we
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  Speaker 2: can make these All Star games more relevant.
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  Speaker 4: The winner of this all star round robin tournament thing.
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  Speaker 1: Is it gets a two million.
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  Speaker 4: Dollar prize that they I guess everyone on the team
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  Speaker 4: gets to gets to divide among themselves. Uh so yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's similar to what the NBA has done the
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  Speaker 4: last couple of years and that they improved upon, uh
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 4: this this past season with with the US teams versus
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: the world teams. But it's also got it's got that
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  Speaker 4: kind of four nation flair to it with Hey, we
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: we have we have teams. We have basically national teams
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: for four different countries here and then another world team.
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  Speaker 4: That's that that makes it different from what the NBA
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: did a little bit, but which the NBA kind of
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: tried to copy the four Nations a little bit with it,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: but round Robin's style. So this is like four Nations
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 4: NBA All Star fusion thing going on here. All right,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: we got between the pipes coming in about ten minutes.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: We'll take a quick break here after that the daily dump.
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  Speaker 1: How about this where number twelve where number twelve? Chant
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: it with me? Where number twelve where number twelve? What
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  Speaker 1: do I mean? Well, I'll tell you next.
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  Speaker 2: It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven hundred and
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  Speaker 2: All right, you heard me chanting, we're number twelve, We're
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  Speaker 2: number twelve. Salt Lake City has been ranked the number
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  Speaker 2: twelve sports city in America.
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  Speaker 4: Also, that was not an ode to the Seahawks twelfth man,
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  Speaker 4: don't no, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Of course not.
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  Speaker 2: The Sports Business Journal has some interesting metrics for how
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  Speaker 2: they rank these cities. But the Sports Business Journal has
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: ranked Salt Lake City the number twelve sports city in America.
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  Speaker 1: And I love it.
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  Speaker 4: So give me an idea of some of the ones
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: that you'd expect to be higher than Salt Lake City
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  Speaker 4: that are behind them?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the list there, hold on, let me pull up
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  Speaker 1: the full list.
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  Speaker 2: There's teams like Boston that are lower on the sports
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: rat Boston seltake City. They made a huge leap this year.
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  Speaker 2: They went from forty four to twelve.
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  Speaker 4: Someone at Sports Business Journal, no Governor Cox or Ryan Smith,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 4: and they're doing them a favor.
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  Speaker 1: Here Like what.
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  Speaker 4: I'll listen to to the metrics here, see if it
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  Speaker 4: makes a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So.
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  Speaker 2: It's remember this is the Sports Business journal. So a
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  Speaker 2: lot of it is related to your facilities, the capacity
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  Speaker 2: to host events, hotel, space, airport, these types of things
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  Speaker 2: make you a better sports city. Okay, airport certainly great.
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  Speaker 2: The airport is sneaky, Utah is great. Do you know
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: how crazy it's going to be for opposing fans for teams,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: et cetera. When they want when we get a Major
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: League Baseball team and they put it out at the
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: Power District and people are like, you'll be able to
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: fly in and make it to the game fifteen minutes later. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: especially where the stadiums go to. The stadium is going
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  Speaker 2: to be the closest thing in Salt Lake City to
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  Speaker 2: the airport.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big deal, huge deal.
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  Speaker 4: Like Delta Center used to be the closest like sports thing,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: and Delta Center's pretty close. The baseball field is going
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: to be basically right next door.
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  Speaker 2: It was very funny the first big the first major
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: UFC event that was staged in Salt Lake City, like
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: outdoor retailers or something was going on at the same time,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: so all of the hotels were booked up and all
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: the fighters were just like, oh wow, the city is
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: great because you look on your maps when you're going
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: to a place right and it's like, oh, you fly
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  Speaker 2: into this place, the arena is ten minutes away.
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  Speaker 1: This is great.
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  Speaker 2: But that first event, they all had to stay in Provo.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: Oh no, at hotels in Provo. So they're just like,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: what the hell?
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  Speaker 4: Well, and that was before the big Hyatt was built,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: right before the All Star Game. That's just that's connected
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: the Salt Palace down the road from us here. So
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: we've gotten a lot more accommodation since then.
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  Speaker 2: So pretty cool, little bump up, going from number forty
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  Speaker 2: four to number twelve. So Philadelphia is fourteen, Denver is sixteen,
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  Speaker 2: Boston is seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: Denver's the most important one here.
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  Speaker 2: I want Salt Lake City to defeat Denver in all
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  Speaker 2: things Denver. When people picture in their mind what Denver is,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: they're really picturing Salt Lake City and it makes me angry.
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  Speaker 2: We need a Major League Baseball team, we need an
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  Speaker 2: NFL football team, but we're probably never gonna get that,
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  Speaker 2: which sticks in my craw They get the Broncos.
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  Speaker 1: We should have a team that's cool than Bronco.
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  Speaker 4: You know what, at least we can we can beat
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  Speaker 4: up on the Buffs all the time.
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  Speaker 2: The bronc Riders. That's what we should be. That's what
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  Speaker 2: our that's what our NFL team should be. Let's see.
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  Speaker 2: Salt Lake City added the Utah Mammoth. They got a
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: professional volleyball team that factored into this.
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  Speaker 1: Okay a salt Lake Okay?
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  Speaker 7: Uh?
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  Speaker 4: Shots fired that the talons about to incorrect. You just
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: you let me get that bad softball league. The Utah
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: talents mentioned, as well as sports and this journal and
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  Speaker 4: when Olympics coming In twenty thirty four, a so sports
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  Speaker 4: Business journal high on Utah, high on Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 1: There number twelve sports city. Who's number one?
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  Speaker 4: I gotta pull it up again? Oh my bad. I
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: keep asking when you when you change pages Sports Business
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  Speaker 4: j LA New York. Maybe it is Cleveland. I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 2: Top sports cities. My internet once again continues to be slow.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, this is actually this is actually kind of a
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: fun list when you really get into it. Number one,
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  Speaker 2: that's I'm glad. I thought it was New York and
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: I was about to say New York. Atlanta is number one. Oh,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: Atlanta's number one? Okay Atlanta. Again, it's not just like, oh,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: you have the best fans and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: Atlanta is a really cool sports city. I don't know
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: if you spent time in Atlanta. Atlanta's cool. They got everything,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: but hockey is. They got three out of the four
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: and they had hockey for a minute there they did.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: But they have three of the.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: Four major sports that certainly has to factor in.
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  Speaker 2: Probably still would have hockey if they hadn't done such
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: a terrible logo for their hockey team.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Thrashers. Thrashers was just a bad logo.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they only made one playoff appearance in however
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 4: long they were there, like ten years or so.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, hold on, I just want to see where
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: Seattle is, because I know Chad's listening.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: Seattle's at twenty two.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: Mid top five, Atlanta one, New York City two, Indianapolis three, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: Charlotte four interesting, Minneapolis, Saint Paul five, LA six, Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: How about that?
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: Las Vegas was not even a sports city a decade ago,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: and now they're number seven, Phoenix eight, Kansas City nine,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: Miami ten. Again, the metrics for sports business journal are
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: a little bit different, But what we're talking about is,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: you know, on the business front, business opportunities businesses and
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: real estate and parking spots and transportation and hotel rooms
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: and all the things that kind of make for a
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: smooth business proposition of adding more sports and hosting sporting events.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that kind of thing like event hosting type things.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: You're thinking about what would make this city ideal for
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: hosting events. Yeah, Okay, that's why. That's why you don't
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 4: just have New York in LA one and two. But yeah,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: that's really cool that Salt Lake for a publication like
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 4: Sports Business Journal is right outside the top ten. Like
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  Speaker 4: it says a lot about what we've done infrastructure wise
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: to improve our event hosting capabilities.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: You know, you know who where? What state is really
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: suffering it with this?
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: Texas man, Texas, they got Dallas is twenty, Houston is
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: twenty five, Arlington is twenty four. They've got a bunch
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: of cities that get mentioned on the list, but everything
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: is so spaced out in Texas.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: Stuff, all right, we got to take a break here.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: Adrian Denny's gonna join us for a little between the pipes.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: Game one of the Stanley Cup Final in the books.
• 1:46:14
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• 1:46:18
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  Speaker 11: Here he is in studio with us. Hello, Hey, Sean,
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 11: how's it going? After a Game one that kind of
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 11: went all over the map.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: It was a wild one. Vegas takes it five to four.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: Very entertaining game one and.
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  Speaker 2: In some ways a microcosm of what we have seen
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: from Vegas in these playoffs, where everyone's pulling on the
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: same rope, even the big star players, doing the nitty gritty,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: the dirty work type stuff. And in the case of
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  Speaker 2: the the final shot, the final attempt, the final opportunity
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: for Carolina to equalize.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: They've emptied their own net.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: They're up a man because of it, and that final
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: drive a nice big shot and Mitch Marner's trying to
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: get out of the way so that heart can get
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: a good look at it, and he still ends up
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: blocking the shot. So even though he was trying to
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: get out of the way, the right play happened for Vegas.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: They have they have been fortunate with some of those
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: breaks on their run to the Stanley Cup.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 11: Final, as Mitch Martyr continues to be the story the
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 11: off season acquisition, yeah, leaving his hometown of Toronto, and
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 11: then he's the story right there on a quote unquote
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 11: defensive play to help Vegas jump up one to zero
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 11: in the series. Marner twenty two points in seventeen games
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 11: so far in the playoffs. It's his best ever playoff
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 11: season that the he's had and Vegas, as we've seen
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 11: so many times in this playoffs especially, seven of their
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 11: thirteen wins in the postseason have been come from behind wins.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 11: Two of their last three wins have been multi goal
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 11: comeback wins against teams that you just don't expect to
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 11: come come from behind. You down to nothing in Carolina,
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 11: granted it was early down three thing against Colorado, so
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 11: they how they won.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: You just can't shake them. You can't shake them.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: They're victorious in game one, even though they went They
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: went down early in this game, and Tamash Hurtle was
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: asked about a postgame and just like, hey, was there
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: any nerves?
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: Was there anything?
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  Speaker 2: And he kind of laughed it off, which, of course,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: all these NHL guys are, you know, unflappable. That's how
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: they get to where they're at. But when you're when
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: you're down in a game one up a Stanley Cup
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: final in the first twelve minutes, you're down by two goals,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: that that could be a pretty nerve wracking situation. They
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: handled it with a total poise and ended up battling
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: it out over a back.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: And forth game.
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  Speaker 2: As you've already mentioned to four to four up until
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: that those final couple of minutes when you saw them
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: go down to zero, did you think this game at
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: the end would be a little bit different than what
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  Speaker 2: we saw.
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  Speaker 11: I got a couple of tech okay from friends watching,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 11: and I've got a mutual friend who works for the Hurricanes,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 11: and another one of our mutual friends texted me, and
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 11: then another one.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: Did and it was like, I don't know, I don't know, if.
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  Speaker 11: You know, we should be planning what Walt does on
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 11: his day with the Cup. And you know, Hurdle a
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 11: guy that Vegas got from San Jose a couple of
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 11: years ago, parted with a first round draft pick four
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 11: there first, I shouldn't say it right after they'd won
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 11: the Stanley Cup. They they got him during the twenty
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 11: three twenty four season. And he's a guy, oh see
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 11: that that's got lots of playoff experience, ninety seven games,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 11: but he hadn't scored in twenty nine straight games until
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 11: you know that the Anaheim series. Now he has four
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 11: goals in eight games, gets the go ahead game winner
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 11: last night. They just they just have a lot of
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 11: lot of pieces like that. And one thing we talked
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 11: about during the first round series with the Mammoth is,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 11: you know, playoff experience, and that's that's what we're talking about.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 11: When they they fall behind, they have a lead, they
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 11: give up a lead, they have a lead, they give
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 11: up another lead. They're just just kind of unshakable. And
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 11: they've played so many games over the last nine years
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 11: and they've got guys that have been involved in every
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 11: playoff run that they've made that they're just they're just
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 11: kind of there, and there was a game where I
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 11: don't I don't. I don't think we'll see many more
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 11: five four games. Maybe we will because both teams are
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 11: so loaded offensively, but it's not what you'd expect because
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 11: going into the game, you have the two best defensive teams,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 11: you have the two best goaltenders in the Stanley Cup
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 11: playoffs going at it, and you know, so we'll see
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 11: what adjustments we yet. From game one to Game two,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 11: Carolina was a team that you know, they came out
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 11: and fell apart against Montreal, losing six to two in
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 11: that first game in the Eastern Conference Finals, and then
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 11: they came back and won four straight. So we'll see
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 11: if we get that. Carolina is also a team, oh see,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 11: that has mode through the playoffs before and then they
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 11: kind of hit a roadblock. It's been in the Conference
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 11: finals against the Florida Panthers and the Wheels kind of
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 11: come off, but have come off. But for me, what
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 11: I've seen from from Carolina is kind of that team
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 11: that you know, they lose that first game against Montreal
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 11: and their backup kind of unflappable, like like Vegas resetting
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 11: and getting back going.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: A lot is being made of the struggles of that
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: top line for Carolina. No points last night, and their
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: coach said, look, you got to get the best. You
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: gotta get your best guys producing. Everyone knows that. How
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: big a concern is that if you're Brenda Moore.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 11: For me, it is because not only have they struggled
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 11: in the playoffs as a whole, but now they're playing Vegas,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 11: who has shut down every top line.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: That they've seen in the playoffs so far.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 11: It was quiet from McKinnon, nachus Atlanti Scott in that
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 11: conference final where Colorado entered, you know, top scoring team
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 11: in the regular season, and that they've done the same
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 11: in the playoffs against Dallas Minnesota and all of a
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 11: sudden they score seven goals in four games, largely in
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 11: part because there was there was nothing coming from the
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 11: top line. So Vegas has just done a done a
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 11: good job. Like they're they're they're big, they're physical, they
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 11: they take they just take stuff away.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: To the point that the yet shots.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 11: Blocked like like Marner blocked last night, is is that
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 11: looked like it was it was ticketed to the.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: Back of the net.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 11: So bigger concern They're because you're playing Vegas and they've
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 11: got the track record of pretty much shutting everything down
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 11: so far here in the playoffs.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: Adrian Denny is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: We go between the Pipes once a week. We talk
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: about all things NHL. Right now, Stanley Cup Final Game
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: one Vegas victory is front of mind. And look, we've
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: been talking about this in the weeks leading up to it,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: about Vegas and its sustainability, and about Carter Hart and
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: the way that he has played in gold now giving
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: up four goals in a game, I mean, he's that's
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: above his playoff average for what we've seen in the
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: series that have got them here, and that's without Carolina's
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: top line producing any points. Was was there's a little
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: shakiness in goal for you for Vegas last night or
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: was this a product of just both teams battling it
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: out and with relative parody between them.
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  Speaker 11: There was And for the first time against an opponent
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 11: the Stanley Cup playoff since they played Utah in the
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 11: first three games, and we're going into game four and
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 11: then Utah falls behind three nothing in Game four and
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 11: all of a sudden, they've got a four to three lead, right,
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 11: and that looked like an area for Vegas that was
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 11: a weakness until all of a sudden he gets on
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 11: fire and now Vegas has won twelve or fourteen.
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  Speaker 1: But there were some softies.
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  Speaker 11: On both ends, I thought last night with both Freddie
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 11: Anderson and Carter Hart, two guys that entered the evening
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 11: and the conversation for best player in the playoffs so far.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 11: But that's a great point about like they got four
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 11: goals and nothing from from their top line.
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  Speaker 2: I'm of the opinion that you know, winning ugly means
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: you're a better team, right Almost winning doesn't matter in
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: the Stanley Cup finals.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: There's no moral victories here. But if you.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: Play close to a team when you're not getting anything
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: from I would trust, I would expect that at some
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: point before this series is over, Sebastianajo and company are
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: gonna give you something, right. So if the margin is
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: that close, if the if the split between these two
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: teams is so narrow that you need that late goal
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: from Tamash Hurtle to pull it out for Vegas, what
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: happens when that top line for Carolina gets going, Because
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: I assume at least in one of these games they should.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, And for Carolina up until this season, one of
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 11: the knocks against them is they don't have a game
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 11: breaking forward. They've got some good talent, some good skill,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 11: and then they get Nikolai Eelers last year or drug
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 11: him away from Winnipeg, signed him do an eight year contract,
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 11: and you're thinking, Okay, it's this the game breaker. And
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 11: then last night against the Vegas puts up two goals
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 11: in the first period. So you do have guys like
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 11: like Eelers over eight hundred games in the NHL that
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 11: they can take over a game and make you kind
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 11: of think it's not a concern right now because it
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 11: doesn't have to be.
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  Speaker 2: What are you expect in game two? I know we're
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: already looking ahead, but it's it's just tomorrow night. What
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: do you what do you think the rebound looks like
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: or the momentum capture from Vegas.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 11: We've talked about Vegas really if you if you want
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 11: to zero in on their game toos, it's it's kind
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 11: of been their only weakness so far here in the playoffs.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 11: Granted they did go up to against Colorado, they trailed
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 11: that game for for almost all of it. Carolina rebounded
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 11: after losing six to two to Montreal, but it it
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 11: was kind of a process there, ramping up two straight games.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 11: They want an overtime to go up to one in
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 11: that series before they they took it for to one.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 11: Hockey is just a sport where it loves to tell you, you
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 11: know what, you don't know anything about this sport. You
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 11: don't know anything about it. Are we going to see
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 11: another five four game? You wouldn't think so, but it
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 11: honestly wouldn't surprise me. Vegas is high pressure, Carolina is
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 11: high pressure. After game one, I wouldn't be surprised. I'd
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 11: say we're headed towards another five four game more than
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 11: we're headed towards a two to one or three to
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 11: two game, just from the pressure, the skill, and the
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 11: way that those teams are able to create and for
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 11: stuff from the defensive end.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: So I'd say.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 11: I don't necessarily normally think after a five to four
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 11: game one that that's going to continue. But as we
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 11: keep talking and keep breaking things down, I think we
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 11: might be in store for a couple more of these.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 11: Especially I'll see as you mentioned the goaltending two guys
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 11: that you look at him from NHL standards. I don't
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 11: want to say it's just okay, but you know, their
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 11: regular seasons, their their track records pretty average. Carter Hart
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 11: has been really good the one playoff run that he
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 11: did make, but I'd say probably some some more high
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 11: scoring close games and as a hockey fan, just rooting
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 11: for whatever it takes to make this a seven game series.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: Pavlo d'Or ifiev is a restricted free agent coming up,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: and he has been incredible for Vegas in these playoffs.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: How much has he increased his value potentially in the
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: market for his services just with this playoff.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 11: The funny thing is is, you know, we talked about
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 11: Carolina's top line. His first two three games against Utah
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 11: are like where the heck is Pavel door Fiev. They're
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 11: twenty five year old home grown forward. Ah value is
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 11: gonna be how high Vegas goes to pay him because
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 11: they're that they're they're we we know Vegas, oh see,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 11: and they.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: Are so.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 11: Vegas in everything that they do. They are old school Vegas.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 11: They'll they'll always take their time and make a calculated
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 11: decision on their salary cap is a challenge. They'll find
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 11: a way to pay him whatever, whatever it takes. But yeah,
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 11: especially now that you've seen him play really in his
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 11: first full run of the playoffs, you're like, Okay, now
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 11: this guy's a playoff.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: Gamer.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 11: Plus how about Brett Howden. We talked about him in
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 11: the first round, like, oh, this Brett Howden, who got
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 11: twelve goals in the regular season, All of a sudden
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 11: pops in four he leads the NHL in playoff scoring
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 11: with eleven goals. Just the third liner who goes out
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 11: and minds his own business, killing penalties.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: Postseason awards starting to be announced. Norris Trophy for the
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: top defenseman in the league goes to Morensky of the
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: Columbus Blue Jackets.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: Is that the right call? In your mind?
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 11: He plays so many minutes. We've watched Mikhal Sergachev play
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 11: so many minutes for UTAH, and this year wasn't what
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 11: it was in year number one. So he plays lots
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 11: of minutes. He plays in every situation. He really came
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 11: into his own last year. It was a career year
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 11: for him. It really put him on the map. Hasn't
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 11: made the playoffs in either year, but eighty one points
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 11: in seventy five games. It's it's always interesting OC because
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 11: you get the Norse Award for the best defenseman, and
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 11: it sometimes seems like the best defenseman who plays offense,
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 11: he slid as he the best defenseman in the NHL's
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 11: there's a lot of good ones, and sometimes it's just
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 11: your turn to win. Remember all those years the Mailman
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 11: never won MVP and then all of a sudden wins
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 11: to it. Sometimes it's just you're turned to win the voters.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 11: The voters come to your side. He does play a
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 11: lot of minutes. Team's just been okay. They looked like
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 11: they're going to make the playoffs this year, and that
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 11: big run when they made that coaching change and they
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 11: finished to eight and one down the stretch. So what
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 11: I voted for him, I can't tell you that I
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 11: would have.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: Other finalists for the award were Cal mccarr of the
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: Colorado Avalanche seventy nine points this year, and.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 11: You saw when he wasn't the action, how Colorado was
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 11: affected by it.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: In the first two games of the conference finals. Mccarr
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: played this year twenty four.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: Almost twenty five minutes a game, whereas Wenski was about
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: twenty seven minutes a game, just under twenty seven minutes
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: a game. If that matters to the people out there,
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: uh Rasmunstalin, who is the other finalist, seventy four points
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: on the season.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 11: See that is part probably a surprise that Wrensky wins
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 11: it over Tolleen, whose team came out of nowhere wins
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 11: the division. He had some personal matters that he went
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 11: back home to Sweden to attend to with his fiance
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 11: and her and her health that that probably would have
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 11: been my vote, and I'm surprised didn't win.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: We've talked about the con smythe coming up will probably
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: go to Marner if he could used to play the
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: way he's been playing right.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 11: Oh absolutely, And much to the chagrin of uh Toronto,
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 11: they just they just can't get over.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: It that that that he.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 11: Goes to to Vegas and his regular season numbers were
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 11: we're down, was his worst number since his first two years.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 11: But you know, just the the the story. I can't
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 11: take my eyes off of Toronto watching Mitch Marner. But
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 11: the the play he made last night, Like at the end,
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 11: I think I think just just kind of a you know,
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 11: just another another story in in the playoffs for for
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 11: Vegas and in this run that that they've been on
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 11: and I've always felt like, don't don't discount elite athletes,
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 11: elite teams, because they're eventually going to push it over
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 11: the top and and take it. And I think Mitch
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 11: Marner's a guy like.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: That, right.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 11: We had it for for years with Tampa Bay, with
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 11: Colorado in the NHL.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: Are they ever going to push this over? And you
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: have players like it.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 11: With with Mitch Marner and and I think, uh yeah,
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 11: I'd say no question, especially uh since the two goaltenders
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 11: kind of, you know, blemish their numbers. In last night's
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 11: game with the nine combined goals, Carolina OC gave up
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 11: five goals last night, they gave up six goals to
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 11: Montreal and in Game one.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: Outside of that, they've a lot of ten goals in
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: twelve games. Insane playoffs.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: So All Star format change announced for twenty twenty seven,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: maybe trying to capture a little bit of that four
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: nations magic. It'll be Canada, Finland, Sweden, USA and a
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: world team doing a five minute round robin tournament five
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 2: minute games, and then the final top two teams on
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: points will play in a All Star final that's ten
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: minutes long.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: Do you like it?
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 11: Sure, Sure, it's they're trying, they're they're you know, trying
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 11: to capitalize on you know, the funnest five minutes for
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 11: somebody channels and that's three on three hockey in the overtimes.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so US, Canada, Finland, Sweden and a world team.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 11: You know, the four nations left some guys out, which
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 11: is four nations. So adding a world team I think
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 11: will be a fun part of that, especially with you know,
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 11: some Russian guys. There's so many talented Russian players in
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 11: the NHL who have not been involved in world competition
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 11: here for for the last three four years. And the
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 11: other fun thing about that the All Star festivities. O
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 11: see the skills competition ten players twenty five and under,
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 11: which would it have probably been that. Yeah, but I
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 11: think specifying it that really adds some player to it.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 11: And already thinking of you know, Dylan Unther and Logan
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 11: Cooley hopefully at least at least one part of that
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 11: because because we see how fast they are, we see
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 11: see their shots. So maybe maybe for me, if we
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 11: get a mammoth player or two at the skills competition,
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 11: that by mean my favorite part of it.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: I also expressed earlier in the show. I think it's
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: a good idea for leagues right now. The luster has
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: come off of a traditional All Star game, so mixing
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: in this international flavor is the right way to do it.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 11: And uh, I mean, you don't want to lose to Canadians.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 11: We don't want to lose to them. But the Finns
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 11: and the Swedes, oh my goodness. There was a report,
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 11: by the way in Czech media. I don't know if
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 11: you saw this, a news report that the checks, the
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 11: Finns and the Swedes would not participate if Russian athletes
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 11: were allowed to participate.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: But the organizers were like, no, it's gonna be okay.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: They We have not heard that from the hockey federations
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: of Chechia, Finland or Sweden, so it.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: Seems like.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 11: That they're trying to kind of massage things, trying to
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 11: smooth things over to pave the way for Russia returning
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 11: to that kind of stuff.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: We'll see how it plays out.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: In the meantime, you have plenty of Stanley Cup Finals
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: action to watch. Next game will be tomorrow night and
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: we'll stay on top of it with Adrian Denny and
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: of course are normal coverage right here on ESPN seven
• 2:09:37
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• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: Cup Finals and the NBA Finals. Speaking of Game one
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: of the NBA Finals tonight, do you have a horse
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: in the race.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: I don't, but I'm excited.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 11: Two teams that I think are you know, they play
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 11: fun basketball, they play good basketball, and you know so
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 11: the Spurs, I know, Gosh always seem to get that
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 11: franchise player and circle back the Knicks. I mean remembering
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 11: that that series back in ninety nine, two thousand, the
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 11: Rockets Nicks series in ninety four always seems like when
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 11: they're involved. You got the Oregon at Madison Square Garden
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 11: feels like a feels like a fun final to me,
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 11: and Wemby goes without saying, I know you to bring
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 11: me on for the NBA. But I kind of like
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 11: the guy. I just I just like the competitive Yeah,
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 11: the competitive juice, the edge that he that he brings,
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 11: the fire, not to mention the superhuman things he does.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: I think the the love affair with Wemby league wide
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: is going to start wearing off now that he's going
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: to be the guy, you know, competing for and potentially
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: winning championships. I think that here in Salt Lake City,
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 2: because San Antonio is going to be standing in front
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: of a team that you want to see actually compete.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: I think the the affection for Wemby is gonna wear
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: pretty thin pretty quickly.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: But for now I can just enjoy what he is
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: as a player.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 11: And looking at the Sacramento Kings situation dismissing Mike Brown,
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 11: who's now coaching in the finals, and the trade that
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 11: they made as well, I kind of like that. I
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 11: kind of like that just for another element of fun.
• 2:11:28
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  Speaker 2: A f am, A little correction, a little revision from
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: something yesterday. I told you that Steph Curry's sneaker deal
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 2: that he signed with Leaning was reported at a billion dollars.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: That was an incorrect number. It's more like a four
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: hundred million dollar deal. So, ah, your poor Steph Curry
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: week pathetic called me four hundred million for your sneaker
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: deal with lee Ing.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 4: I'm embarrassed for you. So it's it's not that far.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 4: I mean it's it's it's significantly higher than than under Armour,
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 4: but it's not as significantly higher than his under Armoured deal.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: Is that what we're saying? Basically?
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so is there I'm just wondering why there were
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 4: Was that just misinformation or what or is there other
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 4: like bonuses are something that make it up.
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 2: Well, there's no way he's get a bonus all the
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: way to a billion if the base deal is four
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: hundred million. But I think it's probably just because remember
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 2: the initial report on a he was flirting with Anta,
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: another Chinese shoe brand, and that was reported at potentially
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: a billion dollar deal. So maybe the hashtag sources were
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 2: just like, well, if he decided to go with Leaning
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: over that other one, it had to be a billion
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: dollar deal. At the end of the day, You're Steph
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: Curry and you have. Now it's more like a total
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: of a billion dollars on the books. From what we've
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 2: seen from your NBA salary, your under armoured deal, and
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: now this one, you're you're just over a billion dollars.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 2: You're doing fine. Let me hold a couple bucks for you,
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: Steph Curry.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let me just uh, let me just keep those
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 4: keep a couple of those dollars warm for you.
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: Now, let's think about something here from an NBA Finals perspective.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: I want the finals game one can be heard right
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 2: here on ESPN seven hundred in ninety two FM. I'm
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: thinking of myself as an owner in the league. I'm
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 2: thinking of myself as Adam Silver.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: I want what is in the best interest of the
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: overall league right now. Obviously you want seven games. You
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: want an incredibly competitive back and forth finals. Listening to
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: the Dan Patrick Show this morning, everyone except for Dan
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: picked the Knicks to win it. All the Dan nets
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: picked the Knicks to win it. A lot of writers, pundits, etc.
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: Are picking the Knicks to win this final. I think
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: there's a bit of a pushback. People are like, we
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: don't want it to be Wemby's time just yet. We
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: want the Knicks to at least get this one. We
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 2: want New York to have its moment in the sun.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: It's been since nineteen seventy three. It's been twenty seven
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: years since they've even in the finals. I think there's
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of like hope for New York to be
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: part of the story.
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: Right, So you're saying, let me just get this straight.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 4: You're saying that all the writers that are most of
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 4: them from the Northeast are hoping that the Knicks win.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 2: I think that there's just a lot of wishful thinking.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: And by the way, the Knicks are very capable of winning.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: This think is going to be an incredible series. I
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: think there is right now a little pushback on like
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: the Okay, we're ready to begin this twenty two year
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: old's ascent to the throne of the NBA.
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, ready to crown him? Yeah?
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: And in the Knicks are an awesome story.
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: It's weird because they're the New York Knicks, but the
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: Knicks are more they're like more the every man team.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: When you look at them, it's guys that are on
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 2: their second or third opportunity with NBA franchises. It's a
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 2: hodgepodge that has been slapped together, and not everybody believed
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: that it was gonna work out. Not everybody believed that
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: the right trades were being made, the right acquisitions were
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: being made. I was one who was like, man, maybe
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: Karl Anthony Towns is just never gonna be that great of.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 4: A winning same And you've heard me reference Gordi's line
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 4: about him a losing game. Well he's changed that in
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 4: these playoffs.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: And like you know, Brunton is still pushing back, dealing
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: with people saying like, you're not that guy, You're never
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: gonna be that guy. And it's they're kind of plucky underdogs,
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: but they're from New York City. There's no hot take
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: about the San Antonio Spurs right It's less fun, it's
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: less problematic, it's less interesting.
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 1: It's there's there's not as many visible warts.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: The thing with the San Antonio Spurs right now is
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: you're just kind of incredulous, like it's happening again. It
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: looks like they've got a generational grade again. And by
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: the way, when they had those generational greats before you
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: know what else, they also had they also had a
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: really important and awesome role players to go alongside those
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: guys and the role players is probably not even the
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: right way to put it. Like Sean Elliott was much
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: more than a role player, Jannobiley was much more of
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: a role player.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: Tony Park was much more than a role player.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: They were never the lead dog on those teams, but
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 2: right the accessory pieces were also all star caliber. While
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: you had David Robinson and while you had Tim Duncan,
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: you also had somebody to put alongside that person that
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: was very capable had they been on a lesser franchise
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: of being the alpha dog, being a lead horse in
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: whatever that race was. And so, like san Antonio, is
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: fun because we get to be in awe of something
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: that I say it, I overuse the term, but it
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: is truly alien.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 1: It is a foreign thing.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: To see somebody that big, moving like that, handling the
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: ball like that, having that nice of a shot, and
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: at his age, he is no business being as skilled
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 2: as he is with all of those physical advantages that
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 2: could have made him lazy and still made him a
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: great NBA player. So do you want your biggest market
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: and quite frankly, your best story to win the NBA
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: finals if you're Adam Silver, if you're the NBA, if
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 2: you're all the other owners who don't you don't own
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: either of these teams?
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: Do you want the New York Knicks to capitalize?
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's the mecca, it's the capital, it is
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 2: New York, it is the number one media market. They
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: have been championships starved in the NBA. Do you want
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 2: the Knicks to win your biggest story, your biggest franchise
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: or do you want your biggest star, the star of
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: your future? Do you want that future to start right now?
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: From an NBA interest standpoint, what is a better outcome
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: for the NBA New York winning or victim Wembin Yama
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: and of course the rest of the Spurs. But it's
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: really about Wemby? Which is better for the NBA?
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think they can't lose. It's absolutely a
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: win win.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: But it's like do you want chocolate ice cream or
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: vanilla ice cream? You get ice cream either way, which
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: one is your favorite?
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: Yet?
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, they might favor a Knicks championship over that
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 4: for that reason too, But I I really don't think
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 4: that they that Adam Silver in the league office is
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 4: gonna feel like they they lose out on some kind
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 4: of massive marketing deal. If the if the most unique
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 4: player in NBA history, who's already twenty two and looking
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 4: like maybe the best player in the league or on
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 4: the short list of the best player the league wins
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 4: his first championship wins Minles MVP, I'm not sure they
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 4: feel like that's a loss either.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: They definitely don't they like you said, it's a win win.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: There's no loss to be found here for the NBA,
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: whether the finish out this really cool story or whether
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 2: Victor Wembin Yama climbs to the top of the mountain
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: in year three and we think he will remain near
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: the top of that mountain or at the top of
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: that mountaine.
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: It's a more secure dynasty led by Wemby.
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, But there's also right, like I'm talking about
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: the business mind, I'm talking about sports business, the storytelling, right,
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: that comes with both of these things. And honestly, that
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: Victor Webbin Yama story, you could tell it next year. Yeah,
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think you can. With the Knicks, No, I
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: think they've trapped their lightning in a bottle.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 4: And it's this right now, this is the ninety It's
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 4: it's ironic that this is the first team since ninety nine,
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 4: because this feels like the ninety nine Knicks, where it's like,
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 4: this is your last shot, this is your last shot
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 4: at doing something great here. But I mean, it's not
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 4: like Jalen Bronson's a dinosaur. He's still in his twenties. No,
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 4: but but they could get back.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: His game and his physical dominance just as not it's
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: not as universally dominant.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: It's not like like.
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: And you're I'm not if you're a Knicks fan out
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: there and there's probably like three of them in Utah,
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: shout out to my guy z.
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 1: You're probably not listening, but shout out. I all work here.
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: By the way, Spence Porter, if you're a Knicks fan,
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: like you can't look at yourself in the mirror and
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: be like, my team is gonna be as good for
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: as long as this San Antonio Spurs team. No, we
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: gotta get it. You gotta get it now. You got
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 2: to capture this now. You have to bite down on
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: this opportunity right now. And midly jazz ish too, where
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: it's like Jazz, I'm gonna have to dust off the
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: old Patrick Ewing Jersey man, I'm gonna have to like
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: as much as I am obsessed with Victor weinbin Yama's
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: unique status and I'm a fan of his approach, his mindset,
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: all that stuff, I'm looking at this Knicks team and
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: I'm like, we may never pass this way again. I'm
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 2: not convinced I ever see the Knicks in the finals again, right.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 4: Because it was fandom is welling back up inside you.
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: It's not.
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 2: But so nineteen ninety nine, I was fifteen years old.
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 2: I had not yet had my birthday when the NBA Finals,
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 2: So I was fifteen years old.
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: If it takes that long again, I'm gonna be in
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 2: a home yeah, or in the dirt, you.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: So like, I'm not I'm not a believer necessarily in
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 2: the sustainability of what the Knicks have going on. All
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: respect to Mike Brown and Cat and Robinson is gonna
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: play It sounds like.
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 4: With the with the brace on his hand, Hacker Mitch
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 4: should be at an all time high with He's already
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 4: a terrible shooter and now on his I think it's
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 4: his shooting hand, He's gonna have a brace because of
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 4: his his surgically repaired pinky.
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 1: Is he Mon Schumpert wearing holsters? Is he is he wearing?
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'd be to take a television reference aside
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: on radio.
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: It's a bad thing for nick Imon Schumper. Former Nickymon
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: Schumper on the NBA Today set said.
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 4: Some kind of suspenders looking things. At the very least, they.
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 2: Look like suspenders, but they look like shoulder holsters. There's
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: your girl, Chene, My girl, Chene Cheney. What is up?
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 4: So let me give you a Let me give you
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 4: a wild stay. You just reference how old you were
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 4: twenty seven years ago in nineteen ninety nine. Uh huh,
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 4: and now everyone knows your age. There you go, you wine,
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 4: I'll be forty three this year. So I started with
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 4: the conference finals. They started giving some matchup notes, like
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 4: when these last two teams faced off.
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 1: We know about that already with these two teams. Uh
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: that part of this?
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, who was who was on the
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 4: team when they last face off? Obviously no one on
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 4: either team who was in the NBA when they last
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 4: face off? In this case, again nobody? How how old
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 4: do you think the oldest player in this series was?
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 4: In nineteen ninety nine. The oldest player in the series
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety nine. That's that's on either the Spurs
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 4: or the Knicks, and bonus if you can guess who
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 4: that player.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 2: Is, I'm not going to be able to, like five
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: years old. Mason Plumbley was nine. Okay, he was Mason Plumley. Yeah,
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 2: he was born in nineteen ninety so he was nine
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: years old. Hadn't yet had his Oh yeah, I guess
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 2: he had his ninth birthday. Jordan Clarkson is the oldest
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 2: player on the Knicks. He was seven. Jordan Clarkson is
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: a few months younger than me in Stanley. Okay, Clarkson,
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 2: I was also seven. I was not factoring in Mason
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: Plumbley being older than Clarkson. Clarkson would have been my guess,
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 2: is the oldest player how old this series? Okay, Jalen
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: Brunson younger than those two. How old do you think
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson was.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: He was alive.
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 4: Okay, he's Rick Brunson. His dad was on the team,
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 4: by the way, he was on the Knicks.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, Jalen Brunson would have been two. He
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: was two. Yeah, he was.
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 4: He was in his third year, so he had his
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 4: birthday later that year. It's born in ninety six, so
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 4: he was too. Wemby was not born correct, Okay, he
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 4: was born in two thousand and four, so so Wemby
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 4: was born four and a half years after this series
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 4: was played.
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 1: That's how long ago it was. OC twenty seven years.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 4: Lebron was not in the NBA yet, and it seems
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 4: like he's been in the NBA for thirty years.
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 2: It has not happened to you yet, James, But there
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 2: will be a time in your sports observation and fandom. Yeah,
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 2: that guys that are Victor Wimenyama, like the best players
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 2: in the world, or people who are among the best
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 2: players in the world, will have been born after you
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 2: graduated from high school, and you're just gonna be like, yep,
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: I'm old now, but an old sports fan now, yep.
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 2: It's what It's tough when you realize that you're older
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 2: than all the guys, even the old guys in the leagues.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: When you're older than all of them, you're just like, oh, man,
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 2: at one time I was rooting for at least some
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 2: people who were older than me. Now they're all younger
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 2: than me. That's a milestone as you age as a
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: sports fan. And then even further down the line, Oh,
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: these guys were all born after I graduated high school,
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: after I was in college, maybe after I graduated college. Yikes,
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 2: is yikes? Do you have a prediction. I actually think
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 2: San Antonio is gonna win this series. I think that
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 2: it's probably gonna be a six or seven gamer. I
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 2: think that it's gonna be a good one. I think
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 2: we're gonna have a lot to talk about. I think
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: that we're gonna get a little heat, a little venom,
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 2: a little back and forth.
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 4: I think the personalities of both of these teams. Stefan
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 4: Castle is a He's a fiery dude. I and I
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 4: love that he's gonna get in the middle of something.
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 4: He's gonna try to be shutting down the Knick's best player. Yeah,
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 4: you know, like, I think there's gonna be some good
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 4: stuff that happens in this series. But I think that
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 4: after I spent fifteen minutes telling you that it's better
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 4: for the league, it's better for maybe all of us
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 4: if we just have if we make VIC, if.
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 2: We make I'm gonna wait one more year. I still
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 2: think that San Antonio is gonna win. Yeah, I have
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 2: the Spurs and seven.
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 1: I have.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 4: My mind tells me six because I think that they are.
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 4: There's I say, clearly the better team. But not when
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 4: I say clearly, I don't think there's a Grand Canyon
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 4: sized gap between these two teams. I still think it's
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 4: pretty clear that the Spurs are better. Though, uh so
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 4: I want my mind is telling me it should be six.
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 4: But for some reason, I'm like something in the back
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 4: of my head's going or in my or in my
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 4: gut is telling me this might go the distance. So
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna officially on record say it's
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 4: gonna be a seven game series. Spurs win in San Antonio.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 1: Game seven.
• 2:27:46
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  Speaker 6: it can be didn't make money, boring, whatever, it is
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  Speaker 6: the worst job when you were younger, right out of school,
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 6: or maybe you just won.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 10: A million dollars fighting. You just did nothing, you didn't
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  Speaker 10: have to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 2: Just I woke up with a silver spoon and then
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: won a billion bucks.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 6: Everyone knows about the dynamic in the studio between you
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 6: and me and silver spoon shot.
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 10: Everyone knows it.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 1: It's you. Come on, okay, yes, that's perfect. Uh.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 2: The worst job I ever had was my first, like
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 2: actual getting a tax return job. I worked at the
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 2: Hoki Yogi Teriaki sticks in Draper.
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 6: Those things never lasted anywhere. They always popped up, and
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 6: then within ninety year they were gone.
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you that I somehow shout out to
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 2: Russ Cherry, if you're out there, thanks for giving me
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 2: my first job.
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 1: I somehow like.
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 2: Got stuck working on the the flat the hibachi grilla
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 2: behind it. I'm sixteen years old, huh and just a
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 2: sweaty mess, you know. And the this is why it
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 2: was the worst job, because the uniform T shirt was
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 2: gray and I had dinner plate pit stains every single day,
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 2: and all the cute girls from Alta High School would
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 2: be coming in to get some fro yo or to
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 2: be getting a sandwich, or to be getting some teriaki or.
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 1: Whatever, and I would be what could I get for you?
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 2: Just with like concealable sweat and ring around the neck
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 2: and in the pits.
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 1: Man, Oh, it was terrible.
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 6: Alta have some rockets man out tie, Yeah they do well. Yes,
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 6: that's the wrong area to be working hard on a
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 6: restaurant in. It was terrible. Yeah, we were debating this.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 6: It's funny and maybe you can relate. None of my
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 6: friends have jobs or professions in the industry that they
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 6: were that they studied like that, as far as the
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 6: degrees outside of the Lloyd Like, I've got buddy who's
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 6: a dermatologist, a buddy who's a dentist, a buddy who's
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 6: a lawyer. Unless you went to law school or medical school,
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 6: none of us are working in the areas which we
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 6: studied in the school. So we're just debating this worst
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 6: job that you ever had, cat lay mine on you.
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, would you?
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 10: It's hard to top you? Ready for it?
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 6: I was a caddy for Michael Jordan's Now that's Porter.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 6: Literally was that. By the way, Porter has a Michael
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 6: Jordan categ story. Did you ever watch the sitcom Silver
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 6: Spoon with Ricky Schroeder. No, okay, well he had a
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 6: train where he rode the train inside around the Christmas tree.
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 6: It might be a video of me doing that at
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 6: his age, because we were talking about the silverspoon dynamic.
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 1: Ok anyway, that's terrible.
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 6: In the sumwhere between my sophomore and junior year in college,
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 6: I had a very uninspiring semester oka meaning I did
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 6: not attend a class.
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, wow, like not one that one.
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 6: I went to like the first day, first couple of days,
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 6: went to all the classes, and I was like, you
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 6: know what, I'm chilling.
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 10: I'm good all semester.
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 6: So there was a deal in place where I would
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 6: have help with the tuition, but I would have to
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 6: send in my grades, like okay, we'll help you out.
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 6: So my parents are like, hey, we haven't seen your
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 6: your grades yet for this semester and tuition is due,
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 6: and I was like, all right, send him over all ease,
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 6: not one, And they were so confused, like you didn't
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 6: there's no c's here or like b's or like they're
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 6: no grades, Like, is this indicating that you did not?
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 1: What is this e for excellent? What is this?
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 10: I think ease back then?
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 6: This is the nineties, just indicated like we don't know
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 6: that this guy is real.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 10: He registered and we didn't see him.
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 6: Might be dead, right, So anyway, they're like, we're not
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 6: paying for this, nor should they have. It was a
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 6: completely reasonable response. I had to come up with like
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 6: four or five grand to get back into school. Okay,
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 6: so my friend, he's still my friend, believe it or not,
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 6: sold me a bill of goods that if I decided
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 6: to take a job with him selling living scripture videos
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 6: to the good people of the Greater Michigan area, I'd
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 6: come home with like twenty grand.
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 10: Three months on the.
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 6: Road selling living scripture videos to the good people of
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 6: the greater Michigan area, huh, which I gained a lot
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 6: of respect for if you were a sales bro bro.
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 6: I lived out of my car for three months because
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 6: he lied to us. And Jason, if you're listening, I
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 6: hate you because he was our manager and he.
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 10: Sold us this thing. He's like, I'm gonna get us
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 10: this apartment.
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 6: We're gonna live together, and we have all these referrals
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 6: and it's gonna be awesome. We're gonna go hang out,
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 6: have a great summer. We get to Dearborn, Michigan, and
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 6: we're like, where's the apartment. He's like scrambling to try
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 6: to explain that there isn't one, so we have no
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 6: place to sleep. The reality of the situation was we
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 6: were going to be living in our cars for the
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 6: majority of this experience, which we did. If you wanted
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 6: a shower, you roll to the grocery store, you get
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 6: a gallon of water, pour it all over yourself, boom.
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 6: A couple whoppers in the morning, dollar whoppers, get two
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 6: of them, You're.
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 10: Foll the rest of the day.
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 1: The two for two whopper deal back in those days
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 1: was legend.
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 10: Kept you full.
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 6: So we're all flat ass broke, and we're there because
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 6: we need money. And so for three three and a
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 6: half months, we would get referrals from folks in the ward,
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 6: knock on the door and sell them living in scripture
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 6: VHS tapes to teach their children scripture stories. Three and
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 6: a half months living out of your car, we occasionally
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 6: would be able to find like a cheap motel to
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 6: split and usually one dude on the bed, couple of
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 6: dudes on the floor. You know, eight mile eminem. Yes,
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 6: we stayed on six mile, no joke, run down motel TV.
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 6: Two channels, local news, hardcore porn. I'm dead serious, like
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 6: stuff I had never seen before. I'm like, what are
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 6: we doing? Turn it back to the news. You pervert to.
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 1: The news?
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 10: Well, I mean we would take turns, taking walks.
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, anyway, anyway, the front clerk, front clerk got stabbed,
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 6: no joke, and yeah that was but non secular side story. Okay,
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 6: so wait, did you make the money you needed? I
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 6: came home with a little. I came home with enough
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 6: to get back into school. Okay, but it was not
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 6: worth it. Okay, it was not worth it, he said,
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 6: twenty grand. It was not that it was enough to
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 6: get back into school, then enough to live a semester,
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 6: and then later on enough to buy a wedding ring.
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 6: I wasn't planning on buying anyway. Back to this side story,
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 6: So my parents really had no idea how dire these
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 6: circumstances were, of course, and they just knew that I
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 6: was working in summer sales like you do when you're
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 6: I think I was nineteen or twenty years old. So
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 6: my dad calls and he said, Hey, we're flying into
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 6: Bloomfield Hills is the nice area right outside of Detroit.
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 6: That's where all the athletes live. We're flying into Bloomfield
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 6: Heel Bloomfield Heel Hill. Excuse me, because we're gonna pitch
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 6: Grant Hill to sign with the Knicks.
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 10: He's a free agent.
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 6: So I'm flying in with Jef Van Gundy, Ernie Grunfeld,
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 6: and then it was a bunch of like celebrities.
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 10: He's He's like, so we'd love to see you.
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 1: We loved, we loved to come pick me up on
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 1: six Mile at mix Stampy Motels.
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 6: So I had this rundown Old Tahoe because you had
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 6: to our cars were our homes. So he's like, we're
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 6: just flying in and out. So I'm just gonna have
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 6: a quick opportunity to say hello. So here's the address.
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 6: We're meeting Grant Hill at this house.
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 10: Just come by and say hi.
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, I don't think he's aware that I'm
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 6: about to drive to an exit interview with Grant Hill,
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 6: with Jeff van Gundy and my father and all these
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 6: New York celebrities, having just flown in on a private
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 6: jet in this rundown tahoe with all of my clothes
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 6: and burger king rappers, having just tried to pedal freaking
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 6: living scripture videos to the Greater Dearborn area.
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 1: Did Grant Hill buy any living scripture videos?
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 3: See?
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 10: I needed you by my side.
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 6: I didn't even get to pitch them, dang, because I
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 6: could have had Grant just buy all of them exactly.
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 6: So I drive up this mansion and my dad and
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 6: Jeff Jeffman just like, Spence, what are you doing here?
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, I'm working for the summer. I didn't
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 6: want to admit anything. And my dad looks in my car,
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 6: He's like, whoa, what's going on with I'm like, I'm
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 6: living in the car selling living scripture videos this summer. Anyway,
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 6: Safe flight home on the private jet after pitching Grand Hill,
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 6: and I'll see in about two and a half months.
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 1: You know, my favorite part of that whole story was
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 1: this was in Dearborn, Michigan.
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 10: Well, it was the Greater Michigan area.
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 1: We were all over the place.
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 10: Your favorite part of the story was the TV.
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 2: No. My favorite part of the story was when you
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 2: said Dearborn Michigan. Because fun fact, living scripture videos Mormon
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 2: videos indeed could not possibly sell anywhere in America worse
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 2: than they would sell in Dearborn Michigan. It is the
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 2: number one Muslim population in city in the United States
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 2: of America, the highest density of non Christian Americans in
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 2: our great nation in Dearborn, Michigan. And that's where you
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 2: were selling living scripture videos. I love everything about that story,
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 2: and that is character building. Ladies and gentlemen. Do it
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 2: for your kids when they fail out of college. Make
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 2: them go sell living scripture videos and live in.
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 4: Janky motels, stay in school, kids football story fun facts.
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 4: I grew up on living scripture videos. So someone maybe
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 4: that you knew, sold them to my parents.
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 6: Well that explains a lot, because those things are not
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 6: scripturally accurate at all. I even knew enough to like,
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 6: while we were getting trained, I'm like, dude, Lehi never
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 6: said that what are we doing? Yeah? Yeah, And they
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 6: took some liberties for the sake of entertainment. But whenever
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 6: we would find an LDS church member, it was like
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 6: a pot of gold.
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because you get.
• 2:39:56
  Speaker 6: The loard list in the referral, then suddenly actually can
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 6: go to the right houses instead of knocking on random
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 6: doors and being like, hey, you're not by chance interested
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 6: in book of Mormon scripture, cartoon videos, are you? We
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 6: weren't even selling the religion to no, and you think
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 6: missionary said it tough.
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 4: I was also in college. I had some friends try
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 4: to recruit me to do the same thing, and I said, no,
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 4: I'm good, I don't want to do this. Sales pro
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 4: smarter than I am.
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 6: And again, Jason, if you're listening, because he made commission
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 6: off of all of us.
• 2:40:28
  Speaker 2: I just love that instead of selling security systems or
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 2: solar or pest control or all the many things that
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 2: are actually lucrative sales, bro medical device sales, all of
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 2: these things, you, Spence, You would have excelled in all
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 2: of those areas, and instead the most square peg in
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 2: a round hole fit for Spence checks to be selling it.
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 6: I was sold a bill of goods by someone who's
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 6: supposed to be my friend, and then we get home
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 6: and he buys this brand new Tacoma truck with all
• 2:40:57
  Speaker 6: of his commissions.
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out, shout out to the friend.
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 10: No, we hate you, Jason, shut up.
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 1: With a friend. I hate you, Jason, your exploitation of
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 1: spoiled kid labor.
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 10: Anyway, I always feel like all that whenever the conversation
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 10: pops up.
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 6: What was the worst job you ever had? I don't
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 6: think anyone can talk mind you just you one up
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 6: to me significantly. Yeah, how was Hogy Yogi bro least
• 2:41:16
  Speaker 6: you got to go home?
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 1: Not too bad? Did Jeff van Gundy? You have a
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 1: comment about your car?
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 10: He just didn't know.
• 2:41:22
  Speaker 6: He's like, what are you doing here? And I was
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 6: so embarrassed. I'm like, I'm just working here for the summer.
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 6: It was my dad who walked over and saw the
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 6: car and was like, hey, are you going to make this?
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 6: Make it out alive here? It's ridiculous. Oh that's wonderful.
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 6: Stay tuned for more of that on the drive.
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