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Jags Broadcasting Week in Review: February 8 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: An NFL player inherently is a good player, and so
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  Speaker 1: it's what you do with that player they really count.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Chequars Broadcasting Week in Review presented by t
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  Speaker 1: I A A Bank with Brian Sexton, John Oshan, Ashlyn
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  Speaker 1: Sullivan and JP Shady. Chequars Broadcasting Week in Review pretended
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  Speaker 1: by t I A A Bank starts right now. Hello
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  Speaker 1: when Welcome to our brand new off season podcast, one
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  Speaker 1: that has had a variation of names in the Here's JP.
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  Speaker 1: I think that we introduced the crowd. J P. Shadrick,
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  Speaker 1: you all know him well. John O'shan let's say you
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  Speaker 1: know him pretty well, Ashlyn Sullivan uh, and the sign
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  Speaker 1: Bryan Um. It's the Jaguars reporters. There's gonna be part
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  Speaker 1: of the Jaguars Weekly Review, which has been a labor
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  Speaker 1: of love for JP. UM. But here's what it's gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be a conversation about this football team
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  Speaker 1: in the direction with their headed which is obviously exciting.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a really long time. So first of all, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: how are y'all task? Good? Good? Well? Was that we'll
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  Speaker 1: go right into it. I said that I called Jaguard
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  Speaker 1: this week, which is new, right, Um, I just made
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  Speaker 1: that up on the Blood. So what's going on with
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  Speaker 1: the Jaguards this week? Nothing? I shouldn't say that one. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: but guys, we thought we might get an announcement of
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  Speaker 1: the coaching staff this week, um, and we haven't had that.
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  Speaker 1: We've all seen the names that have been out there,
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  Speaker 1: Ashlynd we talked earlier about some of them, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Adam Schefter's reported and Rappaports reported. Um, you'll throw a
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  Speaker 1: couple out there for folks. Yeah. The thing I've really
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  Speaker 1: been paying attention to has been on the offensive side
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  Speaker 1: of the ball. And obviously these are all reports right now,
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  Speaker 1: nothing's confirmed. But the offensive coordinator Darryl Bevel and the
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  Speaker 1: passing game coordinator, quarterback coach Brian Schottenheimer. The interesting thing,
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  Speaker 1: and I think you guys will agree, is that both
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  Speaker 1: of them are coming from previous stops the same position
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  Speaker 1: with the Seahawks as offensive coordinator, and I think they're
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  Speaker 1: kind of hired for two different reasons. I think Daryl
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  Speaker 1: Bubble is that obvious fifteen years of experience in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: He's been with the Vikings, the Seahawks, the Lions. He's
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  Speaker 1: been there, done that I think when Urban Meyer and
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  Speaker 1: his introductory press conference says, I know what I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: and I need guys around me that have been here before,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the obvious higher right there. But Brian Schottenheimer,
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  Speaker 1: and this is kind of rare that I think the
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  Speaker 1: star hire is a passing game coordinator, quarterback coach. But
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  Speaker 1: this is a guy who took over in two thousand
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  Speaker 1: eighteen with the Seahawks, and that was Russell Wilson's best
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  Speaker 1: year of his career. This is the guy that has
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  Speaker 1: coached up Drew Brees, Mark Sanchez, and with number one
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  Speaker 1: overall pick most likely being Trevor Lawrence, Brian Schottenheimer is
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  Speaker 1: going to be in Trevor Lawrence's ears. So Brian kind
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  Speaker 1: of rare that that seems to me almost the slam
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  Speaker 1: dunk higher right now? Well, and J P. John, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if if it is Bevil, if it is Schottenheimer, we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about guys who have worked with some of the
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  Speaker 1: best quarterbacks Russell Wilson. Bevil is probably best known for
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  Speaker 1: his work with Brett farn Um Matt Stafford last year.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there are a number of guys in this
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  Speaker 1: list of guys who are being mentioned that bring a
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  Speaker 1: quarterback pedigree to the table. What's a couple of thoughts
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  Speaker 1: and and JP probably knows what direction I'm going. When
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  Speaker 1: we were talking to Bucky Brooks earlier this week, he
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  Speaker 1: mentioned that both of these guys, Bevil and Schottenheimer have
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  Speaker 1: extensive experience with young quarterbacks, meaning Schottenheimer had his hands
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  Speaker 1: on Mark Sanchez early in his career when Sante has
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  Speaker 1: had great success with the Jets. Sanchez's career arc was
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily what he hoped would be, but they got
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  Speaker 1: to the playoffs early with Sante as a quarterback and
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  Speaker 1: with Schottenheimer there, So there's a young quarterback element to it,
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  Speaker 1: and there's also a balance. Bevil is known for the
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  Speaker 1: running game and the Schottenheimer is known for the passing game. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: that's the balance you want. But I thought Slinn said
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  Speaker 1: it best this whole staff. And now we get to
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  Speaker 1: the defense in a minute. When Urban turns to somebody
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  Speaker 1: and says, hey, I don't quite get this about the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna have guys who know it. Any thought that
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  Speaker 1: people may have had in the second week of this
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  Speaker 1: or the first week that he was hiring an all
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  Speaker 1: college staff. That's not what this is. I'll add to
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  Speaker 1: that a little bit here. The you know, remember when
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  Speaker 1: Urban and his press conference said, a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: say it's a quarterback league, Well, every league's a quarterback league.
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  Speaker 1: It's a quarterback sport from peewee to college to high
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  Speaker 1: school to the professional ranks. Well that meant. That meant
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  Speaker 1: to me that these highers, the offensive coordinator and whoever
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  Speaker 1: touches the quarterback position are the most important assistant coaches
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  Speaker 1: on Urban staff. So he has to get those guys
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  Speaker 1: right and have those guys that he can trust around
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  Speaker 1: who we think will be Trevor Lawrence and whoever's backing
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  Speaker 1: him up. Because if Urban's coming in and they have
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  Speaker 1: the number one pick and it's a quarterback, they cannot
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  Speaker 1: mess him up. They have to have the right staff
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  Speaker 1: around him. So for me, no offense to the defensive
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  Speaker 1: side of the football. Uh, these two guys, I think
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  Speaker 1: the lynch pins to this coaching staff. UM. I was
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  Speaker 1: in Kansas City in high school when Brian Schottenheimer's father, Marty,
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  Speaker 1: was turning Kansas City around, and had a great appreciation
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  Speaker 1: for the years that he spent with the Chiefs and
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  Speaker 1: and because the Schottenheimer name has been associated with the Jaguars. Um.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you probably saw the news that Marty has
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  Speaker 1: been moved to hospice. He suffered from Alzheimer's for a
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  Speaker 1: number of years. Um, just you know, thoughts and prayers
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  Speaker 1: to the Schottenheimer family. Marty used to come down here
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  Speaker 1: every year and take part in the Tom Coughlin Jay
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  Speaker 1: Fund Gala and the golf tournament. And there wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: miner man slash football coach that would sit and talk
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  Speaker 1: anything you wanted to about football like he did. And
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  Speaker 1: he could tell stories and he did, and and Brian
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  Speaker 1: Schottenheimer has had a great career of his own polition,
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  Speaker 1: Marty Schotenheimer is the eight most wins in NFL history.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, as we as we're coming towards the
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  Speaker 1: end of his run, UM the prayers for the Schottenheimer family.
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  Speaker 1: He was a great one. So glad to that. If
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  Speaker 1: I can go ahead and please do I've always thought
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  Speaker 1: that Marty sotten first of all, Brian Schottenheimer and I
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  Speaker 1: go way back. I'm sure they'll remember it well. I
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  Speaker 1: once wrote a seven inch story on Brian Schottenheimer when
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  Speaker 1: he transfers in Kansas to Florida. So I'm way ahead
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  Speaker 1: of you all in terms of relationship with this guy.
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  Speaker 1: But we're both old because unfortunately he was twenty at
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  Speaker 1: the time and I was about twenty seven. Our ages
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  Speaker 1: have gone up significantly since then. But in terms of
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  Speaker 1: Marty Schottenheimer, maybe the most underappreciated, unfairly criticized great coach
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  Speaker 1: of all time. Never got to the Super Bowl. But
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  Speaker 1: if you look at his record two losing seasons in
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  Speaker 1: his entire career, he won wherever he went. You know,
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  Speaker 1: if Marty Schottenheimer was your coach, you were going to
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  Speaker 1: be competitive, you were gonna be good. Um. It's amazing
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  Speaker 1: to look at his last season. He was fourteen and
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  Speaker 1: two and wasn't retained the next year. A the absurdity
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  Speaker 1: that it was other stuff going on with that, but
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  Speaker 1: he would. He was a great coach and should be
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  Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer some day. I remember ten years
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  Speaker 1: in Kansas City, bright you know this well, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and one regular season record, three division titles, seven playoff
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  Speaker 1: appearances in ten years. That's pretty strong and a chief
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  Speaker 1: franchise at the time that that hadn't been to the
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  Speaker 1: playoffs since the seventies. And he turned it around. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I just I watched him play at Blue Valley High
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  Speaker 1: in Kansas City and remember being excited when Brian signed
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  Speaker 1: with Kansas because we finally had a quarterback, and then
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  Speaker 1: of course being disappointed when he left, so of course
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  Speaker 1: he went to Florida. All right, Any thoughts on the defensive,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, for those of us who been around, and
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  Speaker 1: I mean just JP and John both know Joe Colin.
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  Speaker 1: Um that's the name most widely reported. What a terrific
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  Speaker 1: human being. I mean, a guy who had some personal
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  Speaker 1: adversity in life overcome it in spectacular fashion. He's a
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  Speaker 1: tremendous guy. And I'm really excited to see some of
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  Speaker 1: the young coaches if the names that we're here in
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  Speaker 1: the zach Ores of the world are coming on board.
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  Speaker 1: Chris ash has been a name that I know you
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  Speaker 1: guys have all read as well. Looks like they're putting
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  Speaker 1: together a really dynamic staff on that side of the
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  Speaker 1: ball too. Well. I'll talk very briefly about Joe, because Brian,
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  Speaker 1: you put thank you were here three years with Joe.
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  Speaker 1: I was here too, JP was here one. Um. He's
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  Speaker 1: a great technician in terms of pass fresh coach I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure he'll have his hands a little bit in uh,
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  Speaker 1: Caleb on Chas and Josh Allen these guys, because he
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  Speaker 1: won't be able to not He'll be over there in
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  Speaker 1: individual drills coaching a little bit. But beyond all this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Think most people know about the off field stuff that
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  Speaker 1: he's come back from. If not Google, we won't go
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  Speaker 1: into it. But the thing that strikes you about Joe,
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  Speaker 1: he's so ready for this opportunity, it's so overdue for him.
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  Speaker 1: And what struck me about him, Brian and JP and
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  Speaker 1: you guys can speak to this. His ability to be
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  Speaker 1: tough on guys, to tell them things they don't want
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  Speaker 1: to hear, but to still have them love him and
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  Speaker 1: play for him. That's not always a thing that all
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  Speaker 1: coaches can pull off. He can be tough on guys,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll guarantee you no player we'll look back on
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  Speaker 1: the time with Joe Colin and say I didn't love
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  Speaker 1: playing for that guy. I think he is an absolute
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  Speaker 1: home run higher for me. The next one is asked
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  Speaker 1: the secondary coach, because who the heck is going to
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  Speaker 1: be playing in the secondary next year? Right? I mean?
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  Speaker 1: C J. Henderson, John, I think you and I and
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  Speaker 1: Bucky talked about this the other day. Henderson's the lock.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't draft him though. All these other guys are
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  Speaker 1: either a few years in, some veteran players, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of guys banged up. We know how many lineups they
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  Speaker 1: had in the secondary. So in a passing league, obviously
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  Speaker 1: in a passing conference in the a f C, the
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  Speaker 1: back end is pretty important. So whoever is around those guys,
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  Speaker 1: I think has to do a lot of teaching. There's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of youth, a lot of new
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  Speaker 1: back there, and I think you know, four or the
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  Speaker 1: five positions are up for grabs on opening day. I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty excited about Daniel Thomas from the moment that he
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  Speaker 1: got on the field in Houston until he left at
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  Speaker 1: halftime against Pittsburgh. He was an impact player. So we
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  Speaker 1: got a lot to talk about next week when hopefully
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  Speaker 1: we do have a coach in the gap. Let's transition
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  Speaker 1: to a segment that a lot of folks know as
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  Speaker 1: big things, but it's a little different. On drive time
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  Speaker 1: actually get of the big things and then the combat goo.
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  Speaker 1: For this podcast, all of us came up with a
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  Speaker 1: big thing of idea, something that's sitting on our minds
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  Speaker 1: that we want to share, and so we're gonna start
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  Speaker 1: with John and work our way through the big men.
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  Speaker 1: In commentary, big thing number one from Let's well mine
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  Speaker 1: was that defensive tackle is the trickiest and maybe the
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  Speaker 1: most important decision in the off season. And when I
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  Speaker 1: say that, obviously quarterback trump's everything else. But I don't
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  Speaker 1: think quarterback is gonna be tricky, and I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be a huge decision. I think they're
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  Speaker 1: going to sort of delay it and not tell everybody.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, I think we all have an idea
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  Speaker 1: that they might draft a quarterback. So defensive tackle, though,
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  Speaker 1: is it is tricky for a number of reasons. It's
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  Speaker 1: a harder position to fill this year because they won't
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  Speaker 1: be taking the number one. Overall, it's not a great
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  Speaker 1: year in the draft for it, and they may not.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure they can fill their defensive tackle problem
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  Speaker 1: in in one off season because of this. You can
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  Speaker 1: sign maybe one big time free agent Leonard Williams is
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  Speaker 1: out there, but beyond that, are there enough guys out
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  Speaker 1: there available who can contribute immediately? Rookies are tough at
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  Speaker 1: that spot. That's going to be a process trying to
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  Speaker 1: figure out what they're going to do there, and if
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  Speaker 1: they play three four then you need a different type.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a it's a fascinating area to watch me
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  Speaker 1: a defensive tackle position because we all saw the run
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  Speaker 1: defense the last couple of years. It's got to get better. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: do you say, I think you gotta go get Leonard Williams.
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  Speaker 1: This is the guy that's coming off the best year
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  Speaker 1: of his career, eleven point five sacks, fifty nine tackles,
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  Speaker 1: only missed two tackles last season, and link John said,
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  Speaker 1: this isn't a big draft class for defensive tackle. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's US slam dunk free agency. Get and I
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  Speaker 1: think that's where you have to spend your money. If
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  Speaker 1: if quarterbacks number one, defensive tackle is one point two
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  Speaker 1: of problems that you have to figure out this year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and you know you have the cap room to go
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  Speaker 1: get a Leonard Williams is gonna cost you twenty million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: If Christian Barmore is there, the big kid from Alabama,
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  Speaker 1: the JP can speak a little bit more too. You
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  Speaker 1: can go a long way with Devon Hamilton's towards shoring
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  Speaker 1: it up. But that's a massive contribution towards defensive tackle.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to find out from the head coach
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  Speaker 1: and Joe Colin, if he's the defensive coordinator, exactly what
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  Speaker 1: they placed the value on JP. You want to weigh
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  Speaker 1: in here, Well, all I know is that they got
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  Speaker 1: run all over last year and they didn't have any
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  Speaker 1: of those guys. So you better put some value on
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  Speaker 1: it or they're gonna run all over you again, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Derrick Henry is looking at his chops again, So, um,
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  Speaker 1: do what you have to do and to bar more
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  Speaker 1: or I think he came on strong later, Like he
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a huge name you know, a year ago. This
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  Speaker 1: was the season where he really broke out in some
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  Speaker 1: big moments and it wasn't there wrongest defensive line they've
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  Speaker 1: ever had there. They've had some big time names roll
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  Speaker 1: through there over the last five six years or so.
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  Speaker 1: But he has that that ability to move. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: gonna compare him to Darius. That's a different that was
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  Speaker 1: a totally different type of athlete. And when he was
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  Speaker 1: coming out of college, the way he can move and
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  Speaker 1: get up field at that time, Um, then he changed
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  Speaker 1: his his career went on far Moore is a little,
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  Speaker 1: you know, bigger than that in the middle, but he
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  Speaker 1: can still move. And I think that would be a
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  Speaker 1: fine addition for this football team because you have a
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  Speaker 1: young guy who can get up field, get to the quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: stop the run, do the whole deal. May not be
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  Speaker 1: as elite as that, you know, Darius level type thing,
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  Speaker 1: but put him next to a veteran like Williams and
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  Speaker 1: roll in the van and get the pass rushers going,
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  Speaker 1: and let's see if we can get a lead with
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  Speaker 1: those guys out there first. All right, what't you hold
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  Speaker 1: a JP? Give us a big thing to what's on
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  Speaker 1: your mind is well? The coaching staff has not been
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  Speaker 1: announced as of the taping of this podcast. We've gone
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  Speaker 1: through a few names, but uh, for me, the coaching
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  Speaker 1: staff for Urban Meyer is all about trust. Who can
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  Speaker 1: he trust? Who does he know? Who does he know
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  Speaker 1: that recommended somebody that is an elite coach. Remember he
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  Speaker 1: also said Urban said, don't don't give me any recommendations
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  Speaker 1: unless they're elite at every level of position. So that
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  Speaker 1: means he trusts whoever is giving him the recommendation. So
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what it's about. Because of his newness
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL. As John mentioned a minute ago, you
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  Speaker 1: need NFL minds around you, I think immediate minds around you.
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  Speaker 1: Then you can fill in the rest with guys you've
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  Speaker 1: known from the college level that can teach a certain
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  Speaker 1: technique at the right way or or what what whatever
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  Speaker 1: it might be depending on the position. But NFL minds
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  Speaker 1: a mixture of that in college. But all of these
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  Speaker 1: guys he has to trust because he's putting his reputation,
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  Speaker 1: his name in those guys to touch the players directly.
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  Speaker 1: So for me, and I think that's big with Urban,
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  Speaker 1: not just and the coaching staff. I think that's with
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  Speaker 1: around the building, the football team, anybody he crossed his
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  Speaker 1: path with. It takes a little while to earn that trust,
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  Speaker 1: but I think once you do, he's on your side
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  Speaker 1: for a long time. You know, John, I think it's interesting. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I saw what JP was talking about, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: everyone did. When he hired Charlie Strong, Okay, a guy
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  Speaker 1: who he knew who had had success at Louisville, not
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  Speaker 1: quite as much of Texas, but a lot working with
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  Speaker 1: Urban during his days in Florida, he trusts him. The
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  Speaker 1: other one that made me go trust is when and
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  Speaker 1: it's been reported that he's gonna keep George Warhopp is
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line coach, and the offensive line, as we
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  Speaker 1: talked about, has not gotten enough credit, and Warhopp in
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  Speaker 1: particular for the way that they played. When when I
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  Speaker 1: read that, I thought, Okay, this is about trust. He
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  Speaker 1: trust the job that Warhop did right, and I certainly
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  Speaker 1: trusted my eyes as to what I saw watching them
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  Speaker 1: last year. Um, you know, I mean he is Warhops
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  Speaker 1: probably guy he has not a lot of knowledge of,
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  Speaker 1: and strongest guy he has plenty of knowledge of. But
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  Speaker 1: as JP said, that all centers on what he's seen
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  Speaker 1: and what he trusts. Yeah, the war Hoop. The thing
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  Speaker 1: is fascinating because, as we've talked about, the perception between
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  Speaker 1: the Jars offensive line had to actually play last year
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  Speaker 1: was huge. They get criticized all the time. They were
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  Speaker 1: so much better than people thought. Um, So I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a huge transition there. It would
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  Speaker 1: stand the reason that Warhop probably does not look at
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  Speaker 1: these five guys he's working and say I gotta get
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  Speaker 1: rid of all of them. So, um, I think we'll
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: touch on that more as we go forward. One thing
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: on trust that's very uh, telling to me NFL experience
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: all over the place, and guys that Urban clearly has
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: had relationships with, even if he hasn't worked with them.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: But Chris asked Strong, there are guys on this staff
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: I think Urban, and the introductory press or said something
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: about he knows what it looks like when it's right.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: He's bringing guys who have been with him from the
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: college level who will be able to translate Urban to
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: the positions, meaning these guys know what Urban wants it
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: to look like. There's plenty of those guys to go
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: with the experience level of the coordinators who haven't been
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: with Urban but know what the NFL is supposed to
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: look like. So that's clearly the formula going on here.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Slim Yeah, I agree, and I think trust is is
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: building before our eyes in this building. I really like
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: when he was having the interview with JP and he said,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I want to treat our players great, not good, and
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: building that trust within the locker room. I think there's
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of work with that right now. There's a
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: whole new system coming in and if you're a franchise guy,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: you don't really know what that looks like. So it's
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: it's very obvious. The emphasis is on the players right
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: now and players first, and that's exactly how it has
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: to be. So you're kind of seeing how trust is
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: going everywhere through the coaching offices to the locker room
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: as well. You're up, I'm up, all right? Well, JP
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: sort of took this one. Yes, oh yes, Jp, It's
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: okay for this week. The secondary is basically going to
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: have to start over, and like JP said, the only
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: spot that it's a lock is C. J. Henderson. The
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: free agents right now in the secondary, d J. Hayden,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Sydney Jones, Josh Jones, Trey Herndon, Brian, I know you
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: love Daniel Thomas and you're seeing the the way that
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: he can definitely make an impact hopefully next season, and
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: maybe he's a starter. But other than that's you basically
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: need a starting corner and a starting safety. I know,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know about Trey Herndon. I mean, I think
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: maybe you can make an argument for that, but overall,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I think you need two spots right now, and that
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: position as a whole needs a complete overhaul. I always
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: thought Herndon was better in the nickel than he was outside.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I thought his skill set was more suited to that.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I really like what I saw from Thomas. I also
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: like JP and John and I know I mentioned it
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: to both of you. I like what we saw from
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Sydney Jones before he went down. I mean, that's a
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: guy who was thought to be a first round pick
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: before the serious injury about two or three months before
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: the Combine his senior year in Washington. I'd bring him back.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna go get somebody, whether it's free
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: agents or the draft, but I'd bring Sydney Jones back.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I thought he had some ability. Yeah, what you don't
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: know about Sydney and and I don't know, but his
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: serious injury a couple of years ago was achilles. Well
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: that's what kept him out the last six or seven games.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: That can be a brutally serious injury that you don't
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: come back from. I don't know that that's what's going on,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: but that would be the concerns. You certainly saw flashes
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: out of him. What's going on with that has to
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: be something they find out obviously before any of that happens.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm with slin and you know, I assume
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: because of the draft status that C. J. Hendersons guy
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: they're gonna build the secondary around. But I'm assuming based
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: off seven games that were frankly not very consistent. Um so,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: and he's got to stay healthy and that, you know,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: he has to be a significantly better, more consistent NFL
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: player than he was last year. So when I chose
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: mine at the beginning of this which was defensive tackle,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I sort of held my breath a little bit because
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: the reality is, as much as they need defensive tackle,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: secondary is a big, big deal, and they either need
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to fill out of holes or have a lot of
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: guys performed better than they did last year. One of
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the two has to happen. Ain't there Okay, a linebacker?
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Beyond that the defense, there is a lot of building
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: to do. JP. Yeah, just following up on the Henderson stuff, right,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, John, what seven games? He played?
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: His best game was his first game and Philip threw
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: him the ball and he got the interception, and Philip
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: rivers like I know the guy. I don't. I don't
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: know Philip from Alabama that we're actually the same age,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: same class in high school. How about that we went
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: different paths somehow. I don't know what happened, but um
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: but after that it was it was wildly inconsistent. And
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I'm curious how much of that was above the shoulders
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: with him too, first year in new environment. How is
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: he working through things? Um, we'll see what this offseason
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: does for CJ. We're in mock draft season and I'm
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: seeing a bunch of people throwing out J. C. Horne,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the South Carolina quarterback, and I'm curious what happens if
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: that is the case where they take him five? Can
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: you trust a C. J. Henderson and then a number
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: another number one, a first round pick on the other side,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I wonder that long way to go. As you all know,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: the draft is about value, and we'll figure out where
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the value is, whether it's corner of defensive tackle. Hey,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: my big thing quickly is to eight plus one. You
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: know the Jaguars, the Jaguars. The NFL has done an
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: amazing job. Jaguars are part of that at getting to
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: this point two eight games under their belt, one more
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl on Sunday. If you saw the story
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: read this week about the barber and Kansas City, Uh,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: there was a barber that came in and we're gonna
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: do air cuts and the first two or three had
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: gone before Kansas City's uh you know medical training team
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: came in and changed the dynamic and moved them out
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: because it tested positive. The starting center Daniel Kilgore, um
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: is not going to practice with the team all week
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and go to play in Tampa on Saturday in Sunday's game,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: travel with the team on Saturday. UM just shows you
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: just how precarious it was. And the NFL went to
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: great links. There a phenomenal story in the Wall Street
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Journal earlier in the week about thirty two Microcosms, thirty
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: two research labs, and how the NFL was always willing
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: to be nimble and change their protocols and adapted adjustin
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: you know, late in the year, they moved everyone to
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: those intensive protocols and kept everybody at home, you know,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the maximum amount of time and the minimum amount of
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: time together. When you look at college football, the NBA,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: UM hockey, you look at it, almost the others four
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: that was out there participating games were canceled, not rescheduled.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: They had to adapt there to be where they are
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: right now on the customer. The two and sixty nine
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and final game of the season is downright remarkable. It
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: really is. Yes, it is. I go back to August
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: and we thought, are we even going to play football?
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: And news splash, they did. Yeah. Alan Sills the chief
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: medical officer um the league. You know, he's in charge
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: of the infectious disease group up at Duke. Um. I
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: didn't think they could do what I in FT I
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: said that everybody here, uh you know, funckle up. It's
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: gonna be a wild ride. We'll see if they have
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: to have an asterisk at the end of the season,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and at this point they really don't need to. They're
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: gonna get them all in. Yeah, it's gonna be a
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: weird um. It's going to be interesting to me to
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: see how this season is remembered. There's a there's a
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: disconnect to it, I think because you haven't had fans
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: in the stands. And I'm sure if disconnected the right word,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: but it's almost been weird. How like Kansas City has
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: got a chance to repeat in Kansas City has a
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: chance to who have won twenty six out of twenty
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: eight games. They're just start to get into the conversation
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: of all time great runs here. You really don't hear
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: it that much. And I don't even know what I'm
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: getting at But it's almost like, because there's not fans,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: because it's such a weird environment, people aren't quite talking
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: about that storyline. I don't know if that's the reason
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: or not, um, but it'll be interesting to see how
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: it's remembered because there weren't fans in the stand all
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: of that. I have no idea what the answer to
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: that is. To Brian's point, it's incredible that they got
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: this in. You still hear some sort of naysay are saying, well,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: they they didn't do this, or they didn't do that,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: whatever they didn't do, they pulled off something that nobody
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: thought they were going to be able to do. The
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: other league would love to have their record. Oh absolutely,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you kidding me. I mean, that'sked the Big ten, what
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: they had. What happened this year, right, I mean they
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: they put it off, got it back on. They had
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: a champion with six games, right. I mean, that's you'll
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: talk about an asterix, that's an astric right, And that's
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: a different level and kids and all that. But that's
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: that's the total difference of what happened in the NFL.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: They put the plan together the best they could. There
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: were some hiccups earlier in the season, they fought through them,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and now there's one really important game left and it
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: feels like they're gonna get through it. And then the
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: trick is what's next after that? What does the offseason
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: program look like? Is that going to be allowed this
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: year or is it going to be a mixture of
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: what we had last off season? And we've got plenty
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: of time to discuss that, but let's get through the
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl first. Well, we'll just leave it with this
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: idea that the NFL had an amazing amount of research
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: done down to genomic testing where they could see the
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: different variants in the Baltimore Ravens organization in November when
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: they were having trouble getting onto the field, and they're
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: going to share that with the CDC and the government.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: So the NFL not only got a season in, but
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: they provided a lot of research for people to battle
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: bugs just like this. All right, let's move into our
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: next segment again. A little variation we always had on drivetime,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Ashman asked. At one point, it was JP asked when
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: he was filling in. Uh, this time, we're gonna ask
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: a question and everyone's gonna answer. Each person has a
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: question that they brought to the table and we are
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: going to go through it. And just for fund j P,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: let's start with you. What's your questions gonna do? Okay, well,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: we kind of touched on one of these positions of
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: a moment ago. But what is the greater priority for
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars in free agency? Left tackle or defensive tackle?
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: And I'll continue the question with a little more talking.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I guess obviously, if you're gonna have a quarterback, you
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: want to keep him up right, asked the Colts that.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: And we've already gone through the issues on the interior
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: of the defensive line. So in free agency, what's the
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: greater priority? I'll go first. I think it's defensive tackle.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Uh you know you guys remember I've favored Leonard Williams
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: instead of Dante Fowler, and neither one of them have
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: let the world on fire, but both have been really
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: good at various times in their career. I would say
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Leonard Williams, I think you could keep Cam Robinson on
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: the franchise tag and you could have some consistency. I
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: also think there's some offensive tackles that will be there
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: at the bottom of the first round. Top of the second.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Lenond Williams is a huge run stuffer. Um, he had
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: a great season rushing the past her I'll say defensive tackle,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: you think Slynn? I agree with Brian. I think with
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: left tackle and Cam Robinson, I think if you are
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: an above average left tackle, you're going to get the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: franchise tager get resigned. And that's what Cam Robinson is.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: He's been inconsistent and I don't think that we're all
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: going to agree that he's definitely deserves this big, huge contract.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: But I'd like to see Cam Robinson maybe with some
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: competition in training camp. Maybe you address the offense of
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: line in the draft, but absolutely the bigger need is
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: defensive tackle and free agency because you have a piece
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: you have Cam Robinson. Yeah. I'm holding my tongue for now, John,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: go ahead, Okay, So the question is in free agency
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: defensive tackle or offensive tackle? Please pay attention left tackle
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: or defensive tackle. What's the bigger priority in free agency?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I was just trying to make sure that it was
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: free agency and not just overall. So um, and I'll
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: be honest, I was scrambling trying to remember my question.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: So I'm back. I'll give it to you can't. I
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: got uh and uh. I'm excited about my question. So
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I'm a little distracted. But that's I think in free agency.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I agree with you guys because of the draft. Defensive
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: tackle I think I think has to be now. They
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: may have somebody in mind that they think it's going
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: to be a fine in the draft, but the draft
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: is so uncertain they've got to get that fixed. So, um,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: unless they see something in some player is that we're
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: not seeing, then I think defensive tackle, maybe even two.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: You might even see a big, big, big time guy
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and then a second guy coming in because they need debt,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: they need stoutness, they need bodies, So I'd be surprised
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the defensive tackle isn't isn't the number one signing. One
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: final thought, I was cringing because of the Cam Robinson
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: talk here and I like Cam good dude, But did
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: he play at a contract year level this year? If
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: that's what you get out of Cam Robinson, what should
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: be his best season? Are you gonna pay him twelve
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: million on the franchise tag and get twelve millions? Twelve
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: million is less expensive than the twenty million it would
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: cost you to go get Trent Williams, who's the number
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: one name in free agency? But I think you can
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: have then you have a left tackle you can really
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: rely on for three years. Yeah, well that's the other
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: argument question. It's a deep tackle draft too, So it's
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: a great question. And I think they talk about a
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: lot all of you go checkbook and treating Sean Coms
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: checkbook like it's your parents. N give us your question
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: now that we know that you'd like to spend money.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Alrighty is the office? Gosh right into cam Robinson's transition
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: is the offensive line? Okay? The way it is when
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: you're going to make the investments of a number one
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: overall pick at quarterback? John, what are you thinking? Um? Exactly?
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: As is probably not? You know, I think you've got
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to do something to get your tackle play better, John
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Taylor and Camra Robinson. I'll press it by saying this,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: when you trail as much as the Jaguars did offensive
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: tackle play, had they been Pro bowlers trailing as much
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: as the Jaguars did, it would have been miracle because
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: it's it's brutally impossible to play that position. That said,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: there were key moments where they would both tell you
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: they can come through, so I think you've got to
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: figure out a way to get that better. If they
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: believe the scheme they're gonna use, and Warhop believes experience
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: will help those guys, then fine. Uh. I think they
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: probably tweak it and and that could mean tweaking left Hackle.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I think the interior is fine. I would bring back
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Norwell Lender. Can those guys all played well? I don't
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: know if cap wise they'll do it, but I could
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: see that being the change you make the lynch pin here?
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: To me, how do they feel about Camera Robinson? That's
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: not news obviously, but how does Warhop really believe in
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: this guy? What is he going to tell urban about
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the future of Camera Robinson? That to me is a
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: crucial conversation. I think A. J. Cann had his best year.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: There's a pro If you ask the folks who would
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: really know the technical part of that, I think they'd
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: agree with that too. Lender has been banged up throughout
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: his career. That's his only really downfall for me, like,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: is he reliable enough to stay out there and continue
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: to keep paying him like that? And you have Shatley around?
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I guess right, I mean he's still here he's you know,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you really need somebody to snap right, Um,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: and then Andrew Norwell, Uh we we could. We've talked
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: about him over and over and over again. I remember also,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: not that it matters now because it's so far down
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: the line. When Urban showed up in Columbus at Ohio State,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Norwell was going into his junior year. So the last
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: two years of college, Norwell was under Meyer and had
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: two of his best years before he left Ohio State.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: That was under Urban a long time ago. So going
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: back to the trust thing, it may not matter now
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: because it's so far down the line, but it doesn't
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: hurt Norwell's cause I'll say this, they kept war hoop
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: if if that's accurate, for a reason because they thought
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the offensive line played well. Um, I think it's good enough.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, you can't you can't fix everything even
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: with a let draft picks this year, But you can
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: go grab you know, a tackle at thirty three. You know,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: somewhere with their first picks of the second round, there'll
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: be a young tackle that you can groom. And twelve
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: million is a bargain price for a left tackle. You'll
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: pay a whole lot more than that, so I would say, yeah,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: they're fine for this year. Uh, I'd like to see
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: him draft one and start thinking about the future. I
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: agree with that, and I hate to bring up low
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: hanging fruit, but I'm going to use the Cincinnati Bengals
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: as an example of drafting Joe Burrow number one overall
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: and not addressing the offensive line until the sixth round.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: And I will say the Jaguars offensive line is much
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: better than the Bengals were last season, but that Bengals
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: offensive line needed work, and they still just went ahead
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and investment in Joe Burrow, and we all saw what happened.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: So I think at least you got to really think
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: about it, and I think maybe make a few changes
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: to ensure that investment is here to stay. All right,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: John you're up, Uh my question. And I do remember
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: it was how many years the Jaguars from the super
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Bowl and it's uh, you know, I would guess that
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: your three, you know, and using Jimmy Johnson Dallas Cowboys,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: which everybody's using this as as a comparison. Uh, they
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: went one in fifteen first year, nine and seven the
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: second year. Um, I'm getting this right it and then
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: we're in this and we're in the super Bowl by
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: his third or fourth year. It can be done that quickly.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I think the big advantage this team has with this
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: is I don't want to say the rosters is is
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: deeper than people think, but there are more stars and
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: less key positions to fill than people believe, Meaning they
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: don't have to go out and get an elite pass rusher.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I think they have it and Josh Allen, d J. Charking,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: the viscustion Al James Robinson, John Taylor. I think all
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: these guys still have the potential to be really good.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I C. J. Henderson is another guy has a chance
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: to be a number one corner. He should be a
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: number one corner based on his draft status. Those guys
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: have to be as good as we think they might be.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: But if they are, there aren't necessarily these huge key
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: positions to have to fill. Maybe left tackle, maybe an
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: additional receiver. But it seems to me like a lot
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: of this is about filling depth to get to the playoffs.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I'll say three, and I will use the Mahomes Kansas City.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: He wasn't a starter his rookie season. He went to
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: the ANC Championship Game his second season and they went
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl and they wanted in his third
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: if Trevor Lawrence, and I'm just going full I'm not
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: not even guessing that they would do anything different. It'll
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: be Trevor Lawrence. So I'm gonna refer to him as
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence their quarterback UM until he's not. So Trevor
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Lawrence is what we think he is. I send your three,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say to I'm gonna add some drama, some
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: spice to the mix. I think if, like John said,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of franchise guys right now that you
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: can build around if they are as good as they are.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: And we are seeing the excitement building around Trevor Lawrence
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: with these players, with the guys that are on the
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Jaguars right now, I think you're gonna get the most
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: out of DJ chart out aliviscation. They're gonna buy into this.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: And we've seen when this team is juiced up and
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: effort is a percent, this is a really good football team.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go with two. Why not, I'm going
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: um four to five because it's not just the Super Bowl.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, when are they going to be ready to
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: beat the Chiefs in the playoffs. When are they gonna
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: be ready to beat whatever the Steelers are in four years?
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: They might not look the same the Ravens, some of
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: these elite A f C offenses. The Chargers by that
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: point actually be good. By the way Buffalo Bills, my goodness,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: that that looks set up to be going for a while.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: So you have to be ready to beat those teams
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: in January or you can forget the super Bowl. So
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I think it takes a little bit longer to mesh
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: all of this together, all these new faces and things.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: And they might get close. They might be in the playoffs,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: they might make them a run, and but it's not
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: that easy to go out there and run against the
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs in January. Yeah. Absolutely, So Shelynn went
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: to JP went four, we went three average. We'll say
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: it's three year on average, and we'll see where it goes.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: All right, here's my question quickly, Um, can the Jaguars
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: in a division that has some turmoil? Right? You know
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: what's going on in Houston with the Shawn Watson that's
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: not in good shape. They also have their over the
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: cap and they don't have a lot of draft capital. Um,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Matt Stafford in in Indianapolis would worry me. Now all
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, it looks like the Colts are gonna
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: have to, you know, pull a rabbit out of their
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: hat at quarterback to take advantage of their roster, which
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: we all know is very talented. I think the division
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: still belongs to the Titans. Of the question is can
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars next year go to second place in the
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: AFC shall Yeah? Why not? Right? I mean if it's
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: by default, who cares? Right? I mean, you're still second
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: place to the NFC South and the other teams stink
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: worse than you do, then okay, well your second place.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: So I think there will be improvement anyway for this team.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: But yeah, the teams at the top, especially in Tennessee,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: they've got everything kind of going like they have it going.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: That will be hard to top. I think in the
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: short term. I think long term they can. They can
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: overrun those guys too. But with Gus Houston's just the
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: headlines out of there. There's offseason already. My goodness, that's
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: a that's a struggle. And then with the quarterback question
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: in Indy, what's gonna happen there? They do have other
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: pieces there that'll be the one for me. Can they
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: overtake the Colts because it feels like they're gonna bring
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: in another veteran guy maybe to come fill in, because
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: pretty much the rest of that team is ready to
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: roll to Flynn. What do you say, she's got him
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: going sixteen and oh next year, so they're gonna go
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: to true? John did not say sixteen and oh, stop
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: making rumors up. I'm gonna say they're not going to
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: be the last and that's all that matters, because the
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Houston Texans will be last because oh my gosh, what
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: is going on there? All right? John? You want to
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: wrap us up? Yeah. I don't know that they'll get
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: out of the cellar this year. Um. I think they
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: will because of the problems in Houston. And I don't
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: say that as a knock on what's going on. I
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: think the direction is right. Um, it can take a
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: little longer that first year than everybody likes. So I'm
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: gonna say that they get out of it. It's rockier
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: this year than people think. I generally like what Slann's thinking.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I think the second year of this is gonna be
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: when you see the rockets on the jet pack so
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: to speak, and you see it really take off. Um,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: the first year of it can be more of a
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: learning curve. Then it feels like when you're talking excitedly
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: in March. So I'm gonna say, rockier than people expect.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Third place this year and then winning the division in
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: the second year of this. I'm not going sixteen, but
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's the process, the path.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: It feel like the old that I'm from West Palm.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: He just makes things up and rides with it. Everything
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: from West Palm. From West Palm, he makes everything up.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: No one listen to what he says. All right, folks,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: that's that's everyone asks. So we'll see where that line
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: of question goes in the future. Uh well, transition one
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: final time to a segment that for now we're gonna
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: call did you hear this? And at Harkins to where
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: what JP has worked on in this space with some
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: of the best of the broadcasting department over the course
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: the week. In Schlenn, you've got this one from your
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: trip to will Bill last week, Yes, sir, and John
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: and I went to Mobile, Alabama to cover this Senior Bowl.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: It is a glamorous place in a little difference because
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen. There wasn't a lot of people there,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: but one guy that was there with Sports Illustrated Albert Brier,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: who has been all over the Urban Meyer higher tweeting,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: writing articles, seems very knowledgeable about the situation. And one
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: thing that struck out to all of us during Coach
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Meyer's introductory press conference is he was very passionate when
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: he said, I don't point fingers at players. I look
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: at my coaches. And that's one thing that Alber Brier
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: said has been sticking with urban Meyer his entire coaching career.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: For him, I think it's a belief that like an
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: NFL player inherently is a good player, and so it's
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: what you do with that player that really counts. And
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I think that part of it is so interesting because
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a focus on player development. It's
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: going to be a focus on what the coaches can do.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: And I think you know one thing you're going to
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: see ultimately, and I certainly noticed this at Ohio State,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: that coaching staff is gonna take accountability for it and
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: they're not gonna be pointing the figures of players, and
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: it's it's going to be if you can't develop them,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: then we're gonna find somebody else who can do it.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: So I think that that is what's really interesting about
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of the research that he did is that
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be a focus not only on drafting the
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: right guys, because the Jacks obviously have a lot of
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: draft capital, not just signing the right guys, they have
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of cap space. It's also going to be
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: turning the players who are in their building already into
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Urbans type of guys. And John, I know you're pretty
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: knowledgeable about this situation as well, and it was interesting
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: to hear what Albert Brier said about this because I
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: think at times that's kind of lost with coach Meyer
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: and the way that he holds his coaching staff accountable.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: And maybe that's why this is taking longer than usual,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: is he's really building this coaching staff up to first
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: it's coaches than it's players. Yeah, and I've heard that too.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I've head different people talk about how long it's taken.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: You know, it's been about three weeks hiring the coaching staff.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: It's taken a long in the sense that it's not
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: all announced yet, but he's got his coordinators he's got
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: his staff. I think they're trying to nail down the
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: last couple of things. So I think it's more logistics
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: of how the team is announcing it than anything. But
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: it strikes me just from studying and listening to Urban
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: a little bit, I haven't actual chance to talk to
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: him face to faith. I don't think any of us
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: have the whole holding coaches accountable. All goes back to
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: the playing fast. He wants players out there not having
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: to think as much as possible, playing as fast as possible.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: If they make a mistake, don't worry about it. So
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I think that's where he's coming from in terms of
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: he's going to blame the coaches. You've got to get
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: these guys playing fast, not worrying about mistakes. If they
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: make a mistake, it's on you, it's not the player.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: That sounds like a very intriguing philosophical approach to me.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Will it work in the NFL where things are a
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: little more complex, Uh, that's what's going to remain to
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: be seen. I think that would be a major storyline
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: of this team and this whole concept of Urban Meyer
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: bringing his philosophy to the NFL game. Alright, folks were
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: wrapping it up on a Friday. On that note, hold on,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I must say, by the way before we go, Okay,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I was born in Mobile, Alabama. There for five years
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: when I was really young, and we moved away. I
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: went back for a number of years for baseball series
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: as an opposing broadcaster, and I've been back numerous times
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: now for the Senior Bowl and I drive through their
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: all the time, vacations and all that. This is the
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: first time I've ever heard Mobile called glamorous. So Mobile
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: tanks you Mobile. Thanks you. Actually, I don't know if
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: you caught my sarcasm, but it's not glamorous for the
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: girl from west Ham Mobile. Yeah alright, alright, folks, getting
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: used to it. This is a rig. This is a
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: regular on your podcast, Our Routeen whole fully uh j P.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: John Ashlin, thanks so much. It was fun. We'll do
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: it all again next week and we'll have a super Bowl,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: hopefully at coaching staff we talk sounds good, well, thank good,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: good night everybody, or a good day depends on when
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: you're listening.