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- 0:0047 years, alone, in the desert, no food beyond what the wilderness itself could offer. No
- 0:10shelter, no other human voice for most of that time. Her clothes rotted off her body. Her
- 0:17hair grew long and turned white under the sun. Her skin darkened and weathered until the monk,
- 0:24who eventually found her, could barely recognize her as a person. She chose this. At 29 years
- 0:32old, after a life most people would call beyond any hope of redemption, she walked into that
- 0:39desert and she did not come back. It started in Alexandria, Egypt, one of the greatest cities
- 0:46in the ancient world, with a 12-year-old girl who ran away from home and decided she was
- 0:52going to live entirely for herself.
- 1:06Hi, my name is John O'Connor and this is Everyday Saints, episode 12. If you have been with
- 1:13us since the beginning, thank you. 12 weeks, 12 saints, and this one may be the most unexpected
- 1:20story I've told yet. If you are new here, welcome to our porch. Stick around. We drop a new saint
- 1:27every Thursday. This is the story of Saint Mary of Egypt. She is honored and celebrated in
- 1:34the Catholic Church. the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the Coptic Church, which is the ancient
- 1:39Christian church of Egypt, one of the oldest Christian communities in the world. Across
- 1:45those three traditions, she is one of the most celebrated saints in Christian history. Here
- 1:51in the West, the US, most Catholics have never heard her name. Well, her name was Mary. She
- 1:59was born sometime in the fifth century. She ran away from home at the age of 12. She spent
- 2:04the next 17 years in Alexandria, living exactly the life you are probably imagining, and she
- 2:11never pretended otherwise. Then, one afternoon, at the door of a church in Jerusalem, something
- 2:19stopped her cold. Not a lock, not a crowd. Something she could not push past or explain. Something
- 2:28that sent her running toward the Jordan River and into the desert. What she became in that
- 2:33desert over the next 47 years is one of the most extraordinary things I have come across.
- 2:39We start in Alexandria, sometime in the fifth or early sixth century. The exact dates are
- 2:46debated, but the broad strokes of her story are consistent across every account that it
- 2:52survives. Alexandria in that era was one of the great cities of the known world. A major
- 2:59Mediterranean port, densely populated, Sophisticated, you had commerce, philosophy, art, religion,
- 3:07poverty, and every kind of pleasure crowded together on the same narrow streets. It was
- 3:15a place where a person could disappear into the noise and live almost any life they choose.
- 3:21Mary ran away from home at the age of 12. She never tells us why in the account that survives,
- 3:27only that she left her parents, went to Alexandria, and began a certain kind of life. In her own
- 3:35words, she was completely consumed by sensual pleasure for the next 17 years, not primarily
- 3:42as a profession driven by desperation or poverty. She is specific about this. She often refused
- 3:49money. She wanted as many men as possible, and she pursued that life with an energy she later
- 3:56described as a kind of fire she could not control. I wanna be careful here. She never sanitized
- 4:03her own story and I will not sanitize it either, but reducing her to a travesty would miss something
- 4:10important. What the accounts consistently describe as a woman of remarkable intensity and will,
- 4:18someone who lived fully and pursued what she wanted without apology. That quality did not
- 4:24disappear after her conversion. It simply went somewhere else. So for 17 years she lived
- 4:32this way and then more or less on a whim, she decided to join a group of pilgrims sailing
- 4:39to Jerusalem for the feast of the exaltation of the Holy Cross. Now, not out of devotion,
- 4:47out of curiosity, and because there were a lot of young men on that boat. Now they are in
- 4:54Jerusalem, the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. The church built over the traditional site
- 5:00of the crucification and resurrection of Jesus, one of the most sacred places in the Christian
- 5:05world. Mary joined the crowd of pilgrims moving toward the entrance. She had no particular
- 5:12spiritual agenda. She was just curious the way a tourist is curious. She moved with the crowd
- 5:18toward the door and she could not enter. The door was not locked. There was no physical
- 5:25barrier. She could see other people walking through without difficulty. She simply could
- 5:31not make herself cross the threshold. She later described it as an invisible force, like a
- 5:37hand pressed hard against her chest, holding her back while everyone else flowed past her
- 5:43in the church. She tried again and again, each time the same result. The crowd moved around
- 5:51her and through the door she could not cross. She stood there. for a long time as the understanding
- 5:58of what was happening slowly settled on her. Not as theological conclusion, as a physical
- 6:06reality she could not deny. She was not being held back by a locked door or a crowd, she
- 6:13was being held back by what she was. She went to a corner of the entrance hall where an icon
- 6:21of the Virgin Mary hung on the wall and she wept. For a long time she wept. Then she prayed,
- 6:29the broken, halting prayer of a woman who had not prayed seriously in seventeen years, asking
- 6:36the Virgin to intercede for her, asking to be allowed in, promising, though she was not
- 6:43yet sure what the promise meant, that she would go wherever she was directed. When she finished
- 6:49praying, she walked back to the door. She went through. She stayed in the church for a long
- 6:56time. When she came out, she heard or felt or somehow received a voice telling her to cross
- 7:05the Jordan River and go into the desert. She had three coins in her pocket. She bought three
- 7:11loaves of bread. She found the Jordan River, crossed it and walked into the wilderness.
- 7:19She was 29 years old. Now, Here is where most people's imaginations fail, because what comes
- 7:28next is so far outside ordinary human experience that it's almost impossible to picture it fully.
- 7:36She was in the desert for 47 years, alone, no community, no monastery, no other human being
- 7:45for the vast majority of that time. The three loaves of bread she bought in Jerusalem lasted
- 7:51her 17 years. She is specific about this in a way that no one else has offered a natural
- 7:58explanation for. After that, she whatever sparse wild plants grew in that stretch of
- 8:05wilderness east of the Jordan, which was very little. Her clothes rotted away, her hair grew
- 8:14long and turned white from the sun and the years, her skin became dark and deeply weathered.
- 8:21The woman who had spent 17 years in Alexandria where physical appearance was everything became
- 8:29in the description of the monk who eventually found her a gaunt white haired figure moving
- 8:36through the desert like something between a person and a vision. And she struggled enormously
- 8:44for the first 17 years in the desert. She was tormented by the same desires and appetites
- 8:50she had spent her previous life indulging. The memories came at her constantly and without
- 8:56mercy. The smell of wine, the noise and heat of Alexandria's streets, the pull of every
- 9:03pleasure she had walked away from. She fought them with prayer, with tears, with the words
- 9:09of scripture she had heard only in fragments before her conversion and somehow now knew
- 9:16them by heart. This is one of the most honest accounts of what real conversion actually costs
- 9:22that I have ever come across. She did not walk into that desert and immediately become peaceful
- 9:29and holy. No, she walked into the desert and spent 17 years in open warfare with herself,
- 9:38with her memory, her desire, and the life she had chosen to leave behind. Then after those
- 9:4617 years of struggle, something changed. She describes it as a great peace descending.
- 9:54The passions quieted, not all at once, in a single dramatic moment, but gradually and then
- 10:01completely. The battle was over. What came after was something she struggled to put into words.
- 10:09She simply lived, alone with God, in the desert, for thirty more years. About 47 years after
- 10:19Mary first walked into the wilderness, a monk named Zosimas was doing what the monks of
- 10:26his community did every Lent, walking deep into the desert to fast and pray in solitude. He
- 10:34was an experienced monk, serious about his faith, so not a man easily given to seeing things
- 10:41that were not there. He saw a figure moving among the rocks in the distance, emaciated.
- 10:47white-haired, barely clothed in the remnants of what had once been garments. He called
- 10:54out, and the figure fled. He chased her, calling that he was a monk and meant no harm. Eventually,
- 11:03she stopped. She called him by his name. Note, a name he had never told her. What followed
- 11:11was one of the most unusual conversations in the recorded history of Christian spirituality.
- 11:17This educated, devout, experienced monk sat with a woman who had not spoken to another
- 11:24human being in decades and found himself in the presence of someone whose knowledge of
- 11:31scripture and depth of prayer went beyond his own. Someone who had arrived through the hardest
- 11:39possible road at a place he was still trying to reach. She told him her story, all of it,
- 11:49Alexandria, the boat, the church door that would not open, the 47 years, she held nothing back.
- 11:58Then she asked him to come back the following year on Holy Thursday and bring her the Eucharist,
- 12:04which she had not received since the day of her conversion. He came back as she had asked.
- 12:11She walked across the Jordan River to meet him. He actually watched her walk on the water
- 12:18with his own eyes. She received communion. She cried. She asked him to return one more
- 12:26year and bring a burial cloth. When Zosimas returned the third time, after traveling for
- 12:3320 days into the desert to the spot where he had first found her, he found her body lying
- 12:39there peacefully. Near her head, written in the sand in letters he could read, was a short
- 12:46message asking him to bury her there. It also told him when she had died, the very night
- 12:52she had received communion from him, a full year before. So she had died immediately after
- 12:58receiving the Eucharist. She was illiterate, but the inscription was legible. That detail
- 13:06is noted explicitly in the ancient account as one of the miracles of her death. Her body
- 13:13showed no decay. He did not know how to dig a grave alone in that hard ground, and as odd
- 13:19as this sounds, a lion appeared and helped him dig. When the work was finished, the lion walked
- 13:25away into the desert and Zosimas returned to the monastery. Whether you take every miraculous
- 13:32detail of this story literally, or understand some of them as later embellishments, What
- 13:39remains consistent across the ancient accounts is this. A woman named Mary lived alone in
- 13:45the Judean desert for nearly five decades. She was found by a monk, told him her full story
- 13:52without softening it, died, and was buried by the monk. All right, back on the porch. So
- 14:00the thing I keep returning to with Mary, and likely you are probably returning to this as
- 14:05well, is that invisible hand at the church door. So she did not go to Jerusalem seeking
- 14:13conversion and she was not in a season of spiritual searching. She had not been slowly building
- 14:20toward a change of life. She was 29 years old. She had been living the same way since she
- 14:25was 12. And from her own account, she had no particular plans to stop. But something stopped
- 14:33her anyway. Not gently, not as a quiet suggestion. as an unmovable reality she could not argue
- 14:42with, push through, or ignore. I think a lot of us have met versions of that door. Am I
- 14:49right? I the thing you kept trying that kept not working, the path that kept closing in
- 14:54front of you even when you could not see why, the place where your own will finally ran into
- 15:00something stronger than itself. Mary's response to that moment is worth sitting with carefully.
- 15:08She did not get up angry and leave. She did not decide the universe was against her and
- 15:13give up. She went to a corner and she cried honestly, openly without pretending she had
- 15:20anything together. And she asked for help. When the door finally opened, she walked through
- 15:28it. And then she walked all the way into the desert. That last part is the one that both
- 15:35inspires and humbles me. Because most of us, when a closed door finally opens, want the
- 15:43comfortable version of what is on the other side, the version that does not cost too much.
- 15:50Mary got a voice pointing her toward the Jordan River and the wilderness, and she went. I've
- 15:57been sitting with that question. What am I doing with the doors in my own life that will not
- 16:03open? Not the ones I am still shoving against with everything I have. But the ones I have
- 16:09finally quietly admitted are closed, permanently closed. Am I standing in the corner weeping
- 16:16honestly and asking for direction? Or am I still in the entrance hall arguing with the door
- 16:23trying to force it open, resenting it, and refusing to consider that it might be trying
- 16:29to send me somewhere I do not yet want to go? Well, that leads into the practical challenge
- 16:35this week. This week, it is simple. and difficult. Think of one door in your life that will not
- 16:42open, not so you can try to force it one more time, but so you can ask, genuinely and honestly,
- 16:51whether the door closed might be telling you something, and whether there is a desert on
- 16:57the other side of it that you have been refusing to see. And now it's time for the closing prayer.
- 17:05Lord, thank you for Mary of Egypt. Thank you that you stopped a woman at a door she could
- 17:11not cross, not to shame her, but to redirect her. Thank you that 47 years in the desert
- 17:19produced something a lifetime in Alexandria could never have produced. For everyone listening
- 17:26who is standing at that door that will not open, give them Mary's honesty. Give them the courage
- 17:33to stop pushing, to go to the corner, to cry a little. and to ask for direction. And give
- 17:40them the willingness to go wherever the voice points, even when it points somewhere hard
- 17:46and lonely. And for anyone who believes their past is too far gone, their history too complicated,
- 17:53their choice is too many and too public to ever be redeemed, give them Mary, a woman who told
- 18:00her entire story without editing a single word of it. and who God met exactly where she was.
- 18:08We love you, even at the doors that will not open. Amen. One more thing before we go. Mary
- 18:16of Egypt is the patron saint of converts for obvious reasons, but she is also the patron
- 18:21saint of chastity, which is either deeply ironic or deeply appropriate depending on how you
- 18:27look at it. and she is invoked against skin diseases and fevers because she spent 47 years
- 18:34completely exposed to the elements of the desert and somehow survived it. In the Eastern Orthodox
- 18:42and Coptic traditions, she is one of the most celebrated saints. The fifth Sunday of Great
- 18:48Lent is actually called the Sunday of Saint Mary of Egypt. Her story is read aloud in the
- 18:53services. She is not an obscure figure there. She is central. But in the Western Catholic
- 19:00Church, she is far less known. And that is a real loss. Because her story says something
- 19:07about the reach and the cost of grace that very few other saints' stories say quite as directly
- 19:13or as unflinchingly. Her feast day in the Roman Catholic calendar is April 2nd. The woman who
- 19:21ran away from home at 12, who spent 17 years in Alexandria doing what she did, who stood
- 19:27at a door she could not cross at 29 and who then disappeared into the desert for the rest
- 19:33of her life is still being prayed to 17 centuries later. Well, that is episode 12 of Everyday
- 19:42Saints. If Mary's story moved you, share it with just one person. Someone who might need
- 19:48to hear that a door that will not open is not always a punishment. Sometimes it is a direction.
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- 20:01we go back to a name most of you will recognize immediately and a story that is far stranger
- 20:07and far more human than anything you were taught about them in school. I'm John O'Connor, thanks
- 20:14for sitting on the porch with me and I will see you next week.