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Football at Four: Taking a Deeper Look at the Eagles Post-Bye · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: be getting you ready for the Eagles and the Packers.
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  Speaker 1: It's been an interesting week for the Eagles, even though
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  Speaker 1: the bye week is here. They made a trade. They're
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  Speaker 1: in trade Rumers, and of course there's a trade deadline
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  Speaker 1: looming still. Andrew to Checko is in today for today's
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  Speaker 1: Football at four from the Inside the Birds podcast Inside
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  Speaker 1: the Birds dot Com. Let's take a look at his
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on this trade, how it will all shake out.
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  Speaker 1: Michael Carter is in the nest. We'll talk more about
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  Speaker 1: that right now and more with the great Andrew to
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  Speaker 1: Checko from Inside the Birds dot Com as he joins
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  Speaker 1: us here for a Friday edition of Football at for Andrew.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on? Man?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Mike, how are you? Man?
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  Speaker 1: Good to be with you as always, good to get
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  Speaker 1: you on this happy hour Friday. And you know the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles have a bye week, but man, they always seem
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  Speaker 1: to make news no matter what. You got the trade
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  Speaker 1: deadline on Tuesday, but Howie Roseman active this week, Michael
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  Speaker 1: Carter is in here. Give me your read on this
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  Speaker 1: Carter move, how he fits in, and what it means
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  Speaker 1: for the Eagle secondary potentially moving forward.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've always liked the player coming out of Duke,
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  Speaker 2: A fifth round pick, and he's pretty sticky in coverage.
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  Speaker 2: I sort of followed his career a little bit, but
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  Speaker 2: he's primarily played mostly inside, and I guess the assumption
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  Speaker 2: is that the Eagles are going to give him a
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  Speaker 2: long look inside. I believe eighty five percent of his
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  Speaker 2: snaps have come inside in his career, But I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: necessarily say that that's the definitive plan, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: obviously that's something that he's very accustomed to doing. But
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  Speaker 2: I think it more so gives the Eagles some optionality
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  Speaker 2: as to how they want to deploy him. Could they
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  Speaker 2: put him outside and a pinch? Could he add just
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  Speaker 2: simply some more depth. But I think when you look
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  Speaker 2: at what the Eagles hatten prior to the addition, they
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  Speaker 2: didn't have any definitive answer at the Nickel position if
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  Speaker 2: they were to have to move Cooper Degene. You look
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  Speaker 2: at Parry Nickerson, who's no longer on the fifty three
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  Speaker 2: Mac McWilliams. Drew mccoba can play it, but he's a
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  Speaker 2: safety and he's really mastering that position. So I think
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  Speaker 2: that his natural fit here will be inside, and I
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  Speaker 2: think it could be more so situational where there are
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  Speaker 2: times where you might want to have Cooper Degene outside
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  Speaker 2: and Michael Carter the second inside, and more often than that,
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  Speaker 2: I think you want to keep Cooper inside because of
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  Speaker 2: what he can do the open field, tackling, the ability
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  Speaker 2: to play the run and things like that. You don't
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  Speaker 2: want to take away what makes him so good.
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  Speaker 1: You know. One of the things is everybody just assumes
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  Speaker 1: Andrew that, oh they'll loose move Cooper outside, and I
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  Speaker 1: think a lot of people think he can handle that position.
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  Speaker 1: What is your thoughts as Cooper Degene as a strictly
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  Speaker 1: outside corner.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Cooper Degen can do anything that's asked
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  Speaker 2: of them. If you look at look up football player
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  Speaker 2: in the dictionary, Cooper Degene's pictures going to be right there.
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  Speaker 2: But I think to put him outside would be taking
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  Speaker 2: away the skill set and what he can provide in
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  Speaker 2: totality and moving him around and creating different matchups that
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  Speaker 2: you like and you want to put him on there.
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  Speaker 2: But also I go back to what he's able to
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  Speaker 2: provide from the nickel position, where he is in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of things. He's in the mix. He can make tackles,
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  Speaker 2: he can blitz, he can do all sorts of things.
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  Speaker 2: And in today's NFL playing an inside corner position, that's
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  Speaker 2: a starting position in the NFL. But it also has increased.
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  Speaker 2: It's been more increased emphasis and responsibility because you're defending
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  Speaker 2: players like Mike Evans. Not only is Mike Evans playing
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  Speaker 2: on the outside, but he plays on the inside. That's
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  Speaker 2: just an example. But I just think, well, Cooper Degene
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  Speaker 2: can give the Eagles. To put him strictly on the
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  Speaker 2: outside would be limiting what he can provide in terms
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  Speaker 2: of his overall skill set.
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  Speaker 1: Talking with Andrew to Checko Football at four here on
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  Speaker 1: a happy hour Friday. No Eagles game this week, but
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  Speaker 1: of course they're getting ready for the Packers. We'll talk
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about what's going on with this Eagle defense.
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  Speaker 1: You got Michael Carter in here, So if you put
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  Speaker 1: a Michael Carter slot, Cooper Egene outside is at a
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  Speaker 1: better configuration than Cooper Degen in his current role and
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  Speaker 1: say a Dori Jackson and Kaylee Ringo, do you think
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  Speaker 1: that that's a significant upgrade, an upgrade or a lateral move.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that it is a significant upgrade, because
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I just think Cooper Degene inside is such
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  Speaker 2: a dominant presence and he provides a lot of different
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  Speaker 2: optionality that the Eagles can do defensively, and to kind
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  Speaker 2: of expand on this outside, I mean, and again it's
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  Speaker 2: the sample size is small, but Kilee Ringo has performed
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  Speaker 2: adequately enough over the past couple of games against the
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  Speaker 2: Vikings and the Giants that maybe you want to give
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  Speaker 2: him a longer look out there. He's a younger player
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  Speaker 2: and you don't necessarily want to, like you want to
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  Speaker 2: give him the benefit of doubt or make sure that
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  Speaker 2: you're leaving no stone unturned. And also Jacorey and Bennett's
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  Speaker 2: coming back as well, that's another reinforcement if the Eagles
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  Speaker 2: really don't know what he can do. He played just
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  Speaker 2: twenty four defensive snaps. Vic Vangio even said incomplete when
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  Speaker 2: evaluating Jacoreyan Bennett, and I think Jacoreyan Bennett can offer
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  Speaker 2: starting upside and you could do that without having without
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  Speaker 2: the expense of moving Cooper Degene. So I don't know
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  Speaker 2: that that's necessarily the best configuration, putting Carter at Nickel
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  Speaker 2: and then moving Cooper Degene outside. But until we see
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  Speaker 2: what that looks like, it's kind of hard to reach
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  Speaker 2: that determination.
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  Speaker 1: You see him at all possibly getting involved at the
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  Speaker 1: safety position. He did play some safety at college. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: is that a possibility or is that kind of passed?
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  Speaker 1: You know, not where you're looking at with him.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps, but I don't really view him as a safety.
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  Speaker 2: And Drew mccouba barely comes off the field reblanket ship
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  Speaker 2: plays pretty much every snap as well, so there's not
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  Speaker 2: a lot of room or options for him to get
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  Speaker 2: in there. And I just don't really view him at
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  Speaker 2: that andy five pounds. But it does give the Eagles
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  Speaker 2: some flexibility in how they want to deploy their personnel potentially,
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  Speaker 2: But that's not really how I scattered him coming out
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  Speaker 2: of the draft, nor do I really view him as
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  Speaker 2: that right now.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's you know, the trade deadline's coming up.
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  Speaker 1: Do they need an edge rusher? You got Nolan Smith
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  Speaker 1: coming back, you got Brandon Graham, you know, coming out
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  Speaker 1: of retirement. You got azizo Za Lari. If you want
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  Speaker 1: to give him more steps, you got josh Usha, you
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  Speaker 1: got jaylexs Hunt. Is this a team that needs to
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  Speaker 1: be pounding the pavement picking up the phone to add
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  Speaker 1: another edge rusher.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's not as much of a necessity now that
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  Speaker 2: there's reinforcements on the way. But if I had to
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  Speaker 2: kind of rank where the Eagles need to address certain areas,
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  Speaker 2: edge would still be number one for me. Then it
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  Speaker 2: would be reserve offensive line help, and then it would
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  Speaker 2: be corner. But I say edge because you have a
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  Speaker 2: number of different players there, and against the Giants they
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  Speaker 2: were able to get home. They got home five times,
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  Speaker 2: but only one of those times was from edge rusher
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  Speaker 2: josh Uche had the play there that got overturned. But
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  Speaker 2: you never want to make too much off of one
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  Speaker 2: game against the Giants, which have a relatively poorous offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: You have to take into account the full body of work,
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  Speaker 2: and Eagles have not been able to really get home,
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  Speaker 2: which has necessitated vic Vangil having to send a lot
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  Speaker 2: more pressure than he ordinarily has in his career at
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  Speaker 2: a necessity because you're not able to get home with
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  Speaker 2: traditional pressure and I also think adding another player to
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  Speaker 2: the mix there, maybe one that has more experience and
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  Speaker 2: that has slots into maybe that late twenty year old
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  Speaker 2: range where he's played a lot. It adds experience for one,
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  Speaker 2: but it also allows the other players that are that
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  Speaker 2: you've mentioned to slot into those roles that they're more
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  Speaker 2: ideally suited and don't necessarily have to take on such
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  Speaker 2: a large workload. Like a Jay Looks Hunt. You can
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  Speaker 2: reduce some of his snaps. Nolan Smith when he comes back.
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  Speaker 2: The way he plays the game, it really lends itself
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  Speaker 2: to being injured. Maybe you don't need to afford him
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  Speaker 2: the lion's share of the snaps, and and everyone else
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  Speaker 2: can kind of step in and play those situational roles
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  Speaker 2: and it just keeps everyone fresh. And that's just kind
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  Speaker 2: of the way that I'm viewing that right now.
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  Speaker 1: So when you hear these possible, you know, three first
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  Speaker 1: round picks for a guy like Miles Garrett, you know
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  Speaker 1: we all kind of chuckle. Charles Robinson's not some you
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  Speaker 1: know blogger out there throwing these out there. Do you
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  Speaker 1: kind of say that's interesting? Do you don't take it serious?
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  Speaker 1: How do you make what do you make of that
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  Speaker 1: whole situation that kind of you know, took over yesterday
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  Speaker 1: a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Hallie Roseman's going to always explore every avenue, especially
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  Speaker 2: if a player is available, and three first round pick
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  Speaker 2: sounds about right for someone like Miles Garrett. But I
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  Speaker 2: just don't know if the Eagles will be willing to
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  Speaker 2: you know, I guess acquiesced to that kind of asking
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  Speaker 2: price despite the fact that Miles Garrett's probably the best
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  Speaker 2: defensive player in the NFL. You play him on that defense, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and you'd be hard pressed to find a team that's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be able to contend with that. I just think
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  Speaker 2: that might be a little rich considering where the Eagles
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  Speaker 2: are right now, But you can never brule out. I
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  Speaker 2: always say never say never with with Howie Rosen that
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  Speaker 2: the trenches and pass rush help is something that they've
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  Speaker 2: always traditionally been willing to an exception for. But I
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  Speaker 2: just don't know if everything's going to a ligne in
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  Speaker 2: the sense that it would make him a feasible option
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  Speaker 2: for the phoot offhi Eagle.
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  Speaker 1: Real quick, before we move on to some other things
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  Speaker 1: on this thing, would Asante Samuel Junior interest you at all?
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  Speaker 2: No, he would not and and again when I look
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  Speaker 2: at this Mike, it's a name, it's a household name,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not a definitive upgrade over what the Eagles
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  Speaker 2: already have in a Dorri Jackson, Jacory and Bennett and
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  Speaker 2: Kieley Ringo. So if you're going to bring somebody in
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  Speaker 2: and cornerbacks being all of a sudden a little bit
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  Speaker 2: crowded there, I think you have to always bring in
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  Speaker 2: someone that you know or you have a strong sense
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  Speaker 2: that's going to add a significant upgrade. And I don't
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  Speaker 2: know that he can do that. He has the injury
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  Speaker 2: that the neck injury that he's now overcome. But even
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  Speaker 2: you know, even when he was playing his best with
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  Speaker 2: the Chargers, I still don't know. I mean, you don't
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  Speaker 2: even know what you have in Ja, Corey and Bennett.
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  Speaker 2: So I think you owe it to the player. You
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  Speaker 2: owe it to you know, you brought him in here
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  Speaker 2: for a reason. Maybe give him a longer look before
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  Speaker 2: you bring in someone else from the outside and all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden they have to learn the defense and
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  Speaker 2: it takes them a while to even get implemented into it.
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  Speaker 1: What is your view of how this Dean Campbell thing
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  Speaker 1: is going to kind of shake out post by.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's going to be situational. If you
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  Speaker 2: see a team that's run heavy, you're likely going to
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  Speaker 2: want Nikobe Dean on the field. He's so effective playing
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  Speaker 2: the run and attacking the line of scrimmage and bringing
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  Speaker 2: that physical presence that I think that they've lacked at
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  Speaker 2: times this year. But you also it's a double edged
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  Speaker 2: sword because you don't want to take John Campbell off
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  Speaker 2: the field, who's made notable strides every week at off
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  Speaker 2: ball linebacker, and he's more athletic and he can do
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  Speaker 2: some things in space that Nikobe can't do. He has
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  Speaker 2: the length and he can take running backs up the
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  Speaker 2: sideline and cover them. He can match up against tight ends,
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  Speaker 2: and that's not really Nikobe's wheelhouse. He can do it,
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  Speaker 2: but his skill set is something that John Campbell isn't
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  Speaker 2: necessarily as proficient in, and that's attacking the run and
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  Speaker 2: just seeing things at a split second and making those decisions.
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  Speaker 2: And that comes with experience. But Nakobe is so highly
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  Speaker 2: intelligent that he really is the quarterback of the defense
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  Speaker 2: when he's out there. So I imagine that you're going
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  Speaker 2: to see them try to strike that balance. But you
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  Speaker 2: have to make sure that if you're the Eagles, it's
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  Speaker 2: not the expense of the growth and development of John Campbell.
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  Speaker 2: But Nikobe's still going to be in the mix and
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  Speaker 2: played thirty three snaps the other day. Vic Vango is
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  Speaker 2: a big na Kobe Dean guy, and when he's out
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  Speaker 2: on the field, no one can dispute the fact that
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  Speaker 2: they're playing with a little bit more swagger and they
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  Speaker 2: have some juice. So I still think that they're going
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  Speaker 2: to have to they have to find a way to
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  Speaker 2: balance that against Green Bay, who they'll spread you out.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's going to be a big jahat Campbell game.
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  Speaker 2: But until we see what the thought process is from
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  Speaker 2: Vic Vangio and we get a little bit further down
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  Speaker 2: the road here, it's kind of hard to decipher it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, a few more with Andrew and checkout today's
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  Speaker 1: Football at four Eagles at the buye. They do have
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  Speaker 1: a trade deadline on Tuesday. We'll see if Howie Roseman
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  Speaker 1: gets something done by the time andrews back here next week.
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  Speaker 1: On Football at four, the offense ran the ball. They
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  Speaker 1: had their best day by far. You had two hundred
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  Speaker 1: yard rushers. It's obviously not just the running backs. Is
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line coming around? Is it getting healthier? And
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  Speaker 1: I know you wrote an article over at Inside the
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  Speaker 1: Birds dot com about Brett Toath. He was highly much
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  Speaker 1: maligned for his performance as before probably had his best
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  Speaker 1: game of his career the other day. Adam almost described
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  Speaker 1: it as like an outer body experience about how good
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  Speaker 1: he kind of played in that game. But as the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line now settling into this.
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  Speaker 2: Offense, yeah, I mean, I think you see difference that
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  Speaker 2: when you have a healthy center who's able to climb
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  Speaker 2: to the second level and not be limited by injuries.
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  Speaker 2: Cam Jurgens is clearly playing through the recovery process of
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  Speaker 2: that offseason back surgery, and it's going to take him
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  Speaker 2: some time before he's going to look like himself. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know that it's as simple as saying that putting
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  Speaker 2: a healthy center in there is all of a sudden
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  Speaker 2: spring boarded that rushing attack. But I really do believe
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  Speaker 2: that when Jordan my Lotta said that they were just
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  Speaker 2: a hair off, he's been saying that for a number
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  Speaker 2: of weeks now, that they were able to kind of
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  Speaker 2: hone in on certain aspects of the run game and
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  Speaker 2: the blocking schemes. I did a lot more outside runs
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  Speaker 2: this time to free things up, and Landon Dickerson looked
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  Speaker 2: a lot healthier than he has off season, and that
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  Speaker 2: was a big key because I thought that he had
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  Speaker 2: his best game of the season by far. So there's
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  Speaker 2: a number of different things that I think contributed to it.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm curious to see whether the Eagles are a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more gradual and how they're approaching the injury,
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  Speaker 2: the knee injury now to Cam Jurgens, and maybe they're
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  Speaker 2: more willing to go to Brett Toath again and for
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  Speaker 2: another week if that means that Cam Jurgen's will be
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  Speaker 2: closer to being at full strength, and then for that
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  Speaker 2: stretch run you have a relatively healthy offensive line.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we'll leave on this. Obviously, AJ Brown's name
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  Speaker 1: comes up a lot you're around him in the locker room.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people just feel like his social media
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  Speaker 1: persona is like, you know, he doesn't want to be here,
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  Speaker 1: but you don't ever get the feeling inside that locker
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  Speaker 1: room that he is like a malcontent or doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: to be here. I mean, am I reading this right?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like everybody wants to read this guy's social
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  Speaker 1: media and then make an assessment on him. To me,
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  Speaker 1: this stuff is just because people are bored and don't
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  Speaker 1: have much to talk about during the bye week, that
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles have almost zero interest in trading him unless
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  Speaker 1: they were absolutely knocked off their rocker.
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  Speaker 2: Your assessments correct, Mike. I've never been of the mindset
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  Speaker 2: that he was unhappy about being a photolph Eagle, that
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  Speaker 2: he was as the word that he use malc And
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  Speaker 2: that's not the case at all. I think a lot,
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  Speaker 2: probably too much is made and trying to decipher his
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  Speaker 2: social media post. Is he frustrated? Of course Aj is.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a great article by my buddy Brooks Cabino
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  Speaker 2: on The Athletic that really speaks into it, really pulls
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  Speaker 2: the curtain back into the mindset and behind the scenes
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  Speaker 2: about what makes AJ Brown tick. He's a competitor first
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  Speaker 2: and foremost. He loves the thrill of the game that
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  Speaker 2: he gets when he's able to dominate an opposing cornerback.
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  Speaker 2: And he likes being heavily involved and a big reason
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  Speaker 2: why the Eagles are winning football games. And so when
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  Speaker 2: he's not that, I guess that's something that he takes
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  Speaker 2: exception to, or maybe that's a little strong, but maybe
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  Speaker 2: something that he isn't necessarily keen on, and you see
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  Speaker 2: some of those posts or whatever it is. I don't
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  Speaker 2: try to to be coded or anything like that. But
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  Speaker 2: he's a very good teammate. Every time I see him,
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  Speaker 2: he's very much and there's the camaraderie there amongst his teammates,
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  Speaker 2: and he's very well like and there's a reason why
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  Speaker 2: he's a captain.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Do I agree with the way that he handles everything,
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Do you never want to be a quote
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  Speaker 2: unquote distraction in that sense, especially off some wins. But
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  Speaker 2: he is the competitor at the highest degree, and I
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  Speaker 2: think a lot of what makes him great, I would argue,
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  Speaker 2: is his willingness or the way that he performs and
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: trains for those moments. He wants the ball in critical moments.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: He wants that pressure, and he's different. I think he's
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: the most misunderstood athlete in the city. You can put
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: him right next to Joel Embiid, and I think that
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: he is an asset and I don't view him going
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: anywhere all.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, I certainly hope not because they want to
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl. AJ Brown's pretty darn important, but
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: that trade deadline on Tuesday at four o'clock. Andrew de
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Checko has plenty more. Check out his coverage over at
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds dot com the Inside the Birds podcast,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: which you can get on all podcasting platforms just search
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds. Andrew enjoy the bye week man.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate him you as well,