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Diogenes Club | E17 - Confronting Burnout · Diogenes Club

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SPEAKER_01: What's going on, everyone?
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SPEAKER_01: Welcome.
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SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Sick of this Shit Publications.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm Nick Paro, not your dad.
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SPEAKER_01: Joined by Dr. Eric Lulove, medical editor at Blue Amp Media.
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SPEAKER_01: Evan Fields, head of chaos for the Diogenes Club today.
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SPEAKER_01: We are down Walter Ryan.
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SPEAKER_01: He is taking the day off.
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SPEAKER_01: He needs the day off.
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SPEAKER_01: Walter needs the time.
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SPEAKER_01: We're Walter-less.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't have him on my back today.
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SPEAKER_01: So we're Walter-less today.
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SPEAKER_01: How's it going, gents?
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SPEAKER_01: It's the Diogenes Club.
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SPEAKER_01: Welcome, everyone.
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I just got off an intelligent masculinity interview with Jared
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Zizer from The Take,
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SPEAKER_01: a fellow veteran.
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SPEAKER_01: Really cool discussion that will be out eventually.
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I'll have that one out here soon,
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too,
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with all the other intelligent masculinity ones I owe.
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SPEAKER_01: But how are you guys today?
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SPEAKER_02: Dude, you're the man.
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SPEAKER_02: You know that?
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SPEAKER_02: I'm doing good.
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Happy to be here i know i've been kind of mia for a little bit
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now but i'm back
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ready to go so we were in the backstage and our head of chaos
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down here decided to
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drop a news bomb on us like a minute before we go live so you
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guys are gonna hear
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this for the first time that we're hearing this so evan what up
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bro what's going on
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SPEAKER_02: it's been
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how do i explain everything well it's been a couple months at
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this point i think
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that i've been doing my own thing i will say because what were
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we talking about
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today what was the burnout that's what we're gonna talk about
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so i am proud of
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SPEAKER_02: myself for attempting to do the right thing and all that and um
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The best thing for me is going forward on my own you know we
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had all this the
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divorce stuff and everything and I guess I just thought it was
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the right thing to
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do I guess to listen to like try to do the attempt to see if
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things could work and
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SPEAKER_02: everything and we hung out for a while and well a few times and
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know I got clarity about things I guess and um
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I don't know I just I just want to be happy and I think that I
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recognize that
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there's things that I need at this point like emotional depth
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and like shared sense
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of humor and you know just little things and the chaos and the
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burnout is just too
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much and when you get burnt out of something you have to I
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guess choose yourself
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sometimes and look out for your own priorities and that's okay
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it's okay for
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SPEAKER_02: It's okay for me to be happy.
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SPEAKER_02: Can you fucking believe that?
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SPEAKER_02: I almost deserve to be happy.
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SPEAKER_00: You do deserve to be happy.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Life is not meant to be walking in misery.
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SPEAKER_02: Unless you're shitting in your pants every day.
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SPEAKER_02: Unless you're Donald Trump.
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SPEAKER_02: One thing that I will say is...
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I recognize through my writing and stuff yeah remember the
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whole point of starting
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the show you were circling the drain you were just you were
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spiraling and I texted
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Nick I'm like we gotta figure something out for our boy he's
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just you know and
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SPEAKER_00: that's how we all started this and
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the fact that we are later and you like come full circle you
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give it a chance with
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with your with your wife you know try to mend the fence work
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things out and it's
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admirable to try to do that to salvage your marriage because
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that's it's a strong
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SPEAKER_00: relationship that was originally used to be there and
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you know what it's okay for you to walk away and say this just
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isn't for meaning
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like I just can't it's not abandonment it's not being
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misogynistic it's not being
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sexist or or or abusive it's it's you're getting out of a bad
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relationship that
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wasn't for you that's okay to be selfish about that yeah I
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think so too and I went
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SPEAKER_02: back well
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Somebody else went back like through my writing on Substack and
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everything and was
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like you were in a really dark place like this it was like not
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good for a while and
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I think lately I mean I fucking wrote about Hunt the Good Stuff
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the other day and
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I'm happy and I'm not stressed out and I feel good and I'm just
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ready to get back
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SPEAKER_02: to it and like participate and
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all that stuff again you know what I mean like I miss that and
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I think I'm feeling
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more like myself each and every day and not getting burnt out
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like I feel like I
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have energy for things and I'm excited man I think life is
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gonna be good and I'm
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not I'm not worried about things at this point I think that's
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the biggest thing I'm
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not worried about the future I know that I'm gonna be good and
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happy and all that
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SPEAKER_02: and I'm excited I'm glad to be back here with you guys
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you know yeah man like you you also you just you you need to
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remember that you do
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deserve to be happy like that's that is a key important thing
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is like we all
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deserve to be happy and we shouldn't be we shouldn't be beating
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ourselves up
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because we want happiness and because we deserve happiness and
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so glad you're
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Glad you reflected on it I'm back to living Yeah Like it's good
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to feel good There
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were days you were growing up in that hoodie We didn't know
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which dark side of Evan
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was coming out Yeah hoodie Evan is usually not Hoodie Evan is
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like depressed Evan
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SPEAKER_02: Hoodie mode is not Sorry No No more hood mode activated
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SPEAKER_02: What have you guys been up to?
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SPEAKER_02: How are we doing?
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SPEAKER_02: You guys aren't burnt out are you?
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Nick might be Nick's always working Nick's like pedal to metal
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Nick's like through
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the floorboard I have taken some time for myself throughout all
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of this is I've let
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SPEAKER_01: myself take days off when I need them and take shows off and
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I also made sure to balance my schedule appropriately like I
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stopped trying to do
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two intelligent masculinity discussions a week yeah that's a
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lot I thought that was
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too much I've started doing huh we'd lose Evan again Evan
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where'd you go dude I'm
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SPEAKER_01: here I'm here
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I don't know what I think that was on my end he's gone plaid
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gone to plaid but like
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I've let myself here we go I've let myself take some days off
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when I need to good
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here recently because some of it is just been it's been a lot
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and I need to take
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SPEAKER_01: the days off I also
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and like still actively like heavily building a tool like
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software tool that is
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SPEAKER_01: being tested out and
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getting it trying to get it to the point where I can actually
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have other people use
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it use it and usable for others is with the support of friends
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like Courtney is
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really is really awesome but it's also really tiring because
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it's a Courtney thank
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you for everything you do for everybody on Substack that you are
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oh yeah so amazing
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SPEAKER_01: Courtney you're freaking awesome like
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SPEAKER_01: What did she say?
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SPEAKER_02: She's like our adoptive Canadian or something like that?
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SPEAKER_01: She's our emotional support Canadian.
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SPEAKER_02: There, that's what it was.
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SPEAKER_01: Chris in the chat, yes, I am a dev dev.
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I spent six and a half years in the software field with a focus
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in DevOps and
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SPEAKER_01: back-end pipeline development and infrastructure.
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SPEAKER_01: and so just it's been it's been a lot it's been a lot of like testing and
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development work and feedback on myself and getting it so that
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it's in a shape to
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actually present but then stopping to not overwork myself while
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I do it is its own
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thing um and so yeah I do feel the burnout I'm also supporting
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like Lev's work
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um with the lever members and voice from ukraine shows um and i
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do the behind the
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scenes work for all the scheduling and development um to get
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their that like the
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production value up on the show and putting all their videos
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and stuff i think i
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spend i do more production value often with his shows than i do
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with my own um
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which is fine because i don't do a lot of videos and stuff when
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we we don't display
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a lot of videos and stuff during our shows um because we're not
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news focused and
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i'm glad we're not all the time news focused um but yeah i've
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i've had to just take
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time off we do i also got new glasses you discuss current
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events i feel like i'm in
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SPEAKER_00: a so yeah i feel like i'm in a like a short class look what i got today
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a nice little show and tell for ourselves.
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I also got new glasses yesterday,
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so I can actually I'm seeing a little better.
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SPEAKER_01: Nice dude.
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SPEAKER_01: From the VA?
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SPEAKER_01: From the VA. Yeah, buddy.
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SPEAKER_00: And while I was at my VA appointment.
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SPEAKER_01: What?
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SPEAKER_00: There goes your disability rating on your vision.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm 100% they can't touch me.
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SPEAKER_01: Can't touch this.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, not service connected.
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Really i really hate to change the subject i want to show you i
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got a goddamn
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fucking form from the va their forms are the worst no this one
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was about they're
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starting to send out re-rating forms for the patients that are
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for my patients who
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are in the vc3 program oh great they're asking you know oh yeah
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it's coming
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And they're using fucking AI determinations for like keywords
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and everything.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm basically saying no change in disability.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm saying if anything, these patients are older, they're getting worse.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
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They got injured when they were in their 20s or their 30s,
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and now they're in their 60s and 70s.
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What makes you think their disability is going to get better as
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they get older,
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right?
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, go ahead and re-rate at your own risk.
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SPEAKER_01: Permanent disabilities don't go away.
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SPEAKER_01: They're permanent.
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SPEAKER_00: Prove as we get older.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, means the disability gets worse.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just because it's a managed disability doesn't mean it's gone.
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SPEAKER_00: This is what's really fucked up.
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SPEAKER_00: The patient they sent the form on
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Asked me to re-rate his disability because he has a prosthetic
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on his right leg
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SPEAKER_00: because he's a baloney amputee.
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SPEAKER_00: Are you effing fucking kidding?
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SPEAKER_00: Like the leg doesn't fucking go back.
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SPEAKER_01: And they want to re-rate, they want to re-rate him or them?
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SPEAKER_00: And do a spell like Voldemort and grow a fucking extra...
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SPEAKER_02: That's like,
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SPEAKER_02: I'm pretty sure that on its own is either like 70 or 100%,
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SPEAKER_02: like if you're an amputee.
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SPEAKER_02: It's 70.
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SPEAKER_02: That's like one of the main disabilities.
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yeah you don't need very after that to get to a hundred percent
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and if you're
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amputate if you have amputations you actually there's special
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ratings yeah and
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there's special war there's special ratings too that go beyond
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a hundred percent
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that most people don't know about that if you are an amputee or
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chronic heart
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condition you can get rated past a hundred percent yeah he's
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not he's this was a
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SPEAKER_00: battlefield
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Injury The guy got The guy Got caught an IED During the Iraq
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war And blew off half
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his leg Was traumatically Amputated below the knee I mean it's
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like That's an 80%
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rating An Iraq war veteran They're like Let's re-rate him Our
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lifetime veteran Not
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from Vietnam Before most of us Were around Not Korea Not even
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Desert Shield Or
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SPEAKER_01: Desert Storm Iraq
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That's the point that we're getting at now These fucking people
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These are fucking
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evil This is the evilness that you're seeing In this government
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And it's just It's
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getting to the point And I wrote on this guys like what two
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weeks ago On the cuts
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to NIH This is the medical bill that nobody's seen yet Okay oh
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by the way I really
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encourage everybody to read Matt Robeson Matt Robeson published
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an article on Blue
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SPEAKER_00: Amp
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about where the economy is going to be going toward like June
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July August like we
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like guys I'm telling you right now I'm telling everybody right
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now go to fucking
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Costco go to BJ's go wherever you got to go Walmart and start
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stocking now because
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things are going to get really fucking scarce on food supply
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like if you don't have
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SPEAKER_00: flour and dry goods to make your own breads and to
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you know like you should be I mean like like American citizen
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was saying this a lot
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like I mean before she got canned before they threw off a
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Substack but like we if
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you don't have a garden like you should be planting your own
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vegetables they should
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be doing co-op farms with your community because there is going
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to be a food supply
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problem the fall the problem that we're having now with
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American farmers is like
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SPEAKER_00: you know what do everybody know what the price of uh sulfuric acid is now
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how much that's 24 gallons of acid is now that directly comes
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out of the straight
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to write like that region yeah it's right out of our it's not a
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thousand dollars
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for like 60 gallons or something like that it's like and you
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make sulfuric acid
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sulfuric is a core component of making phosphoric acid in the
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reduction chemical
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reaction and phosphoric acid is one of the primary ingredients
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that's in what
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SPEAKER_00: fertilizer fertilizer
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SPEAKER_00: Farmers are going to get so fucked.
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SPEAKER_00: So think about the things that this administration has done.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is just the farming sector.
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SPEAKER_00: But think about what the farming sector actually also controls.
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SPEAKER_00: Controls food supply.
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SPEAKER_00: And so think about what this administration has done to hurt farmers.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is just one example.
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SPEAKER_00: Remember, the first step was what?
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SPEAKER_00: Cutting USAID.
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So that was the first kneecapping of the farming industry
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because all the extra
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SPEAKER_00: food was spoiled.
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SPEAKER_00: They had nowhere to send it.
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SPEAKER_00: Right?
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Then you go after immigration farms so now the farmers don't
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have sharecroppers or
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employees to pick plants and to pick vegetables and pick fruit
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out of the ground.
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SPEAKER_00: They stole their fucking workforce.
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SPEAKER_00: Then on top of it,
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you start a war in the Gulf where you basically hamstring the
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supply of fertilizer.
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SPEAKER_00: or the source supply of fertilizer.
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So now they can't they can't fertilize the ground for the
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summer and spring plant.
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SPEAKER_00: So you have a food supply going to next fucking year.
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SPEAKER_00: Mm hmm.
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SPEAKER_02: And this is what happens when you have incompetent people.
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SPEAKER_01: No, we can't.
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SPEAKER_01: I think we have to stop calling them incompetent.
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SPEAKER_01: Not no word.
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We won't go too far into this topic because we'll derail
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ourselves too much off of like what we
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SPEAKER_01: You think it's intentional?
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SPEAKER_01: It's all intentional.
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SPEAKER_01: We have to stop calling these people incompetent.
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SPEAKER_01: Trump is not dumb.
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SPEAKER_01: Stephen Miller is not stupid.
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SPEAKER_01: Pete Hegseth is not dumb.
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SPEAKER_01: They're not dumb.
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SPEAKER_01: They are purposely incompetent.
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SPEAKER_01: RFK is purposely incompetent at his job.
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SPEAKER_01: It's all intentional.
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SPEAKER_00: I've been in the room with him.
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SPEAKER_00: He's just fucking stupid.
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SPEAKER_01: yeah but it's all intentional it's all intentional what they're doing is
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intentional it's strategic we have to stop downplaying the
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severity because I think
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when we downplay the severity and we just call it incompetence
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versus intentional
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or versus actual what it like really is the dismantling if we
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if we ourselves
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downplay the severity of it we then it then further waters down
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the severity by the
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SPEAKER_01: time it gets to
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SPEAKER_01: others who are not steeped in this conversation.
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SPEAKER_01: It kind of gives them a pass.
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Yeah,
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it says you can ignore this because it's really not as bad as
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you think.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't want to get off the topic too much,
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SPEAKER_00: but if we take this level of stupidity,
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SPEAKER_00: okay,
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SPEAKER_00: and I'm going to tie this into our topic today,
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SPEAKER_00: by the way,
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SPEAKER_00: okay?
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SPEAKER_00: So if we look at what happened in Texas on Tuesday, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So Ken Paxton,
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SPEAKER_00: Literally like another entirely criminal enterprise in itself.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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You know,
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when it's Cornyn,
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who is a Trump loyalist,
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voted 100 percent with him on everything.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Ever went to Platt again.
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SPEAKER_00: And then but if you look at the numbers and this is really interesting,
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SPEAKER_00: I want everybody to understand this.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Paxton won.
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SPEAKER_00: There was.
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SPEAKER_00: But there were only 800,000 people that voted in the primary.
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SPEAKER_00: in the runoff collection.
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SPEAKER_00: The population of Texas.
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SPEAKER_00: Bueller, right?
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SPEAKER_00: It was 4% of the population voted in the runoff.
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SPEAKER_00: There is going to be massive GOP downstream.
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SPEAKER_00: They are not going to show up and vote.
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SPEAKER_00: They are not going to spend a shit ton of money.
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Paxton More Than They Hate Democrats His Own Party Impeached
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Him Even Even Though
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Christian Nationalists Like I Mean They Just Basically Served
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Up That On A Platter
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To Tallarico Now The Question Becomes Does Tallarico Become You
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Know What Happens
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With Tallarico Once He Gets Elected Is He Turned Into Another
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And I Think That's
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SPEAKER_00: Going To Be The
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Message that we have all these people whether they're blue mega
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conservative
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whatever I don't care who they are you we have to hold them
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accountable for
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everything that they do because it's the only way we're gonna
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fix this and the only
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way but so there was an article here about I don't mean to keep
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going guys I'm
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SPEAKER_00: sorry I'm going to turn this into burnout
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SPEAKER_00: Remember we 1776, right?
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SPEAKER_00: We went through this in the Civil War.
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SPEAKER_00: We went through this again after World War II.
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SPEAKER_00: We're in that 80-year cycle where we go through some level of,
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SPEAKER_00: holy shit,
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SPEAKER_00: the country's through a burnout phase,
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SPEAKER_00: right?
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SPEAKER_00: And how do we repair after the burnout?
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SPEAKER_00: And that's just how I wanted to tie it back into.
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SPEAKER_00: So like all this stuff that we're talking about is personal burnout,
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SPEAKER_00: government burnout,
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SPEAKER_00: civil burnout,
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SPEAKER_00: families are burning out.
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you know so how do we you know like how are how are you guys
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dealing with it I just
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turned it into about conversation so there you go honestly
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without I guess going
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into too much detail I'm trying to get out and spend time with
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people that add joy
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SPEAKER_02: to my life and laugh and have fun and everything and
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SPEAKER_02: Those are the moments where I can forget about everything going on,
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SPEAKER_02: all the chaos and everything.
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SPEAKER_02: If even for a couple hours,
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SPEAKER_02: then if you can kind of separate yourself mentally from just all of this,
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then I think it's like a small reset that like puts perspective
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back in the world
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SPEAKER_02: because yeah,
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SPEAKER_02: there is horrible shit going on right now.
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SPEAKER_02: Things are super fucking expensive.
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we're going through the shit but I think that when you're going
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through the shit
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you have to find moments to appreciate life and appreciate
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what's around you and
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appreciate people and things like that and those little resets
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kind of prevent the
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SPEAKER_02: major burnout like if you're taking the time to consciously do them on a
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SPEAKER_02: semi-regular basis I think that
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you know you're going to be more mentally focused and prepared
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to deal with the
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chaos when you come back to it Nick great answer for the last
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couple for the last
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couple we like last couple days or last week I guess we've done
23:22
puzzles at home
23:24
like we've family stuff we've pulled out thousand piece puzzles
23:29
and we just
23:31
I separate and I put my phone down and I don't look at and I
23:34
turn off turn off the
23:36
audio book or something for a little while and we build a
23:38
puzzle simple things yeah
23:43
it's remembering that there's things that we can do because
23:46
like people are saying
23:47
in the chat is we're all burnt out in some way shape or form
23:52
that's the whole
23:53
SPEAKER_01: intention of everything that's going on is
23:57
they want us in a consistent state of burnout so that we're
24:01
always stressed and we
24:02
can't do more than what we're already doing or we feel like we
24:05
can't do more or we
24:07
don't want to do more yeah and it's to make us tired all the
24:12
time and so like I've
24:17
the the military put it put it pretty well when I was in the
24:22
army was embrace the
24:23
SPEAKER_01: suck and General Millie that was him
24:27
and you sort of just have to you have to embrace the suck that
24:33
right now I know
24:34
it's bad and I know I'm going to still purposely do things for
24:39
joy for myself which
24:41
is we build puzzles as a family or I play video games and I
24:48
read when I can and I
24:51
SPEAKER_01: get away from the noise
24:54
While I'm Still Doing Stuff Knowing That I'm Still Actively
24:59
Thinking About What's
25:00
Going On I'm Building My Tool Actively I'm Trying To Schedule
25:04
Shows Or I'm Trying
25:06
To Put Content Out And Put Things Out That Support People And
25:13
I'm Not As Focused
25:15
SPEAKER_01: Right Now On Act Like Trying To Accumulate
25:23
like a larger audience like i'm not focused in specifically in
25:28
any way on like how
25:30
do we massively expand this platform i don't really care it'll
25:34
grow as it grows
25:35
like yeah i've accepted that there's going to be some slow
25:39
times when i grow
25:40
there's going to be some really fast times of growth there'll
25:42
be times when i just
25:43
sit there stalled and that's okay that's normal growth patterns
25:47
for all of this and
25:49
the more important thing is that we just remain consistent in
25:52
doing it and stay on
25:55
focus and I think Eric you did it really well last week was you
25:59
called us out in
26:01
the show for us to remain within a single focus area which is
26:06
why we're doing it
26:07
this time like we're we're staying on a focused area of topic
26:11
and we're being
26:12
SPEAKER_01: intentional about it and I think that makes it easier
26:17
because I also came into this week and I already knew what we
26:21
were going to be
26:22
talking about for this show and I already knew what the show's
26:26
title was going to
26:27
be so for like the tools that I'm developing it was already
26:30
scheduled it was easy
26:31
for me to get it scheduled properly it was easy for me to not
26:36
have to worry about
26:38
you guys being here like I knew at least three of us were going
26:43
to show up no
26:43
SPEAKER_01: matter what because we always have at least three of us
26:48
and I knew we were going to have a good conversation and I knew
26:51
I didn't have to
26:52
worry about I didn't have to worry about my morning show I
27:01
didn't have to worry on
27:02
some of the things that I had been worrying about before so I
27:06
can now start
27:07
refocusing on stuff and it's yeah it's about the consistency
27:14
and the quality and
27:16
audience size you the core group that's here you guys are the
27:20
important you are the
27:22
most important folks in our community in this community as
27:26
everyone continues to
27:28
grow and we gain more into the community you all become
27:31
important like every person
27:33
in this community is equally important because you all help us
27:36
survive and grow and
27:38
you help get the word out but it's it's more about the
27:42
consistency and I think I've
27:44
SPEAKER_01: helped reframe myself
27:46
um and it's about where i put my impact and what creates impact
27:53
good job thanks
27:53
love you know my daughter finished her 30 minutes of reading
27:56
for the day nice we're
27:59
doing a summer they just got out of school so we're um well
28:04
i'll have my kids
28:05
around more but it's also we we set a schedule with them where
28:09
they're each going
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SPEAKER_01: to do 30 minutes of reading and then 30 minutes of one other like
28:14
Educational Task Of Some Sort That They Are Either They Need
28:20
Help In For School
28:21
Like My Son's Handwriting Sucks It's The Fucking Worst Yeah
28:27
He's Definitely
28:28
SPEAKER_01: Practicing The Prescription Paths
28:39
is our summer routine is he's going to read for 30 minutes and
28:43
then write for 15 my
28:45
daughter it's going to be read for 30 minutes and then play her
28:47
viola for 30
28:48
minutes that way they get something that's constructive for
28:53
them and if she plays
28:54
her viola then I get a little bit of music for half an hour and
28:58
whether it be
28:59
practicing music or performing music in a concert it's still
29:03
music I was a music
29:05
SPEAKER_01: major so all music
29:08
forms of music while they're being done are are impressive um
29:11
and are fun yeah and
29:15
i can be a good parent and stuff dude i'm proud of you thanks
29:19
man and i'm still
29:20
trying to plan out like building a house and moving and getting
29:24
my current house
29:25
SPEAKER_01: sold and my parents get down here because they're building a house um
29:32
SPEAKER_01: What instruments do I play is I am a vocalist.
29:36
I am self-taught on the piano,
29:38
which means I'm not very good,
29:40
but I know how to play the piano.
29:46
SPEAKER_01: I play the saxophone.
29:48
SPEAKER_01: Bill Clinton over here.
29:51
SPEAKER_01: I have a baritone sax and a soprano sax.
30:06
I have a Navajo wood flute I have a bamboo Hawaiian bamboo
30:14
flute an Australian
30:17
didgeridoo I have learned how to play the didgeridoo in the
30:21
past which is super
30:22
SPEAKER_01: cool let's see what else do I know how to play
30:28
SPEAKER_01: If it's a woodwind, I basically can play it.
30:31
SPEAKER_01: If it's a reed instrument,
30:33
SPEAKER_01: I've never tried the oboe,
30:35
SPEAKER_01: so I've never tried a double reed instrument,
30:38
SPEAKER_01: but I bet I could play that.
30:41
So I learned how to play reeded instruments,
30:44
and I could be a music teacher if I had wanted to.
30:49
SPEAKER_01: I just didn't want to go that route.
30:53
How does this relate back to burnout is I actually use music as
30:58
a tool to help me
31:00
against burnout is I sing throughout the day to myself to my
31:07
dogs to just random
31:09
shit in my house at my children they hate it sometimes when I
31:14
do it but I just I
31:17
SPEAKER_01: sing oh and I also play the harmonica too that's I have I have a
31:22
SPEAKER_01: I have a really good quality harmonica that I like playing.
31:27
SPEAKER_01: And a diverse skill set.
31:28
SPEAKER_02: Good lord, dude.
31:30
SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
31:32
SPEAKER_01: And happily married for 11 years.
31:36
SPEAKER_00: We didn't get to the different genres of all the different music.
31:39
SPEAKER_00: That's just the instruments.
31:40
SPEAKER_00: We didn't get to the genres.
31:41
SPEAKER_01: And I write music too.
31:42
SPEAKER_01: The intro music to our shows is all my music if it's
31:49
yeah if you ever want to listen to any of it if you ever want
31:51
to know like all the
31:52
intro to every show that I do is my own music has been recorded
31:56
by I recorded it
31:59
with other musicians but I was the artist who did the recording
32:04
so I know how to do
32:04
sound engineering and audio design which is awesome because I
32:08
finally came back
32:09
into use now that I'm doing video editing and audio design for
32:14
podcasting so my
32:15
SPEAKER_01: college degree finally came in handy mom thanks
32:19
SPEAKER_01: Do I have perfect pitch?
32:21
SPEAKER_01: Abso-fucking-lutely not.
32:23
SPEAKER_01: People who have perfect pitch, they do piss me off.
32:27
Especially when they have perfect pitch,
32:30
but they don't have tonality with it.
32:33
SPEAKER_01: Fuck that.
32:35
SPEAKER_02: Eric, how do you deal with the burnout?
32:38
So I'm not even going to pretend like my stress is any
32:41
different than anybody else's.
32:43
You know,
32:43
we all have different levels,
32:44
you know,
32:45
different levels of stress,
32:48
right?
32:48
and it's all relative all relative right I mean I I've
32:53
developed a lot of coping
32:54
skills to do to deal with stress because I have to otherwise
32:57
you know it's just not
32:58
healthy one has always been Evan's favorite sport pickleball um
33:05
because he refuses
33:06
to learn how to play um no no no I I gotta tell you a story
33:09
about that but I'll
33:10
SPEAKER_00: tell you offline oh okay we'll get into that so
33:14
yeah so like playing playing being athletic and being outside
33:17
for me is part of it
33:19
it's going on it's being in my pool it's going into my sauna
33:23
it's but from a music
33:24
standpoint I grew up French horn tenor and alto saxophone Nick
33:32
I played all of them
33:35
yeah the French horn by far the oboe is more technically
33:39
difficult to play
33:41
but i think the french horn literally is one of the hardest
33:44
instruments to play
33:45
because of the the level of of control that you need with your
33:51
breath in playing
33:53
some of the notes um and also plus it feels like you're always
33:57
giving somebody a
33:57
SPEAKER_00: colonoscopy because you got your hand up but um no no it's just i
34:06
SPEAKER_00: Stress and Coping are, you know, and it's all different.
34:09
SPEAKER_00: It's all going to be variable.
34:10
I mean,
34:10
your guy's stress and coping in the wintertime is totally
34:12
different from mine.
34:14
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm year round outside, right?
34:16
SPEAKER_00: But it starts to get nasty in Arkansas in the wintertime.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: It gets, you know, 20s, 10s.
34:22
SPEAKER_00: It's hard to, you start to get more cabin feverish.
34:26
And that's why doing puzzles and more right brain activities is
34:30
very mentally healthy.
34:32
SPEAKER_00: So here's the scientific part of all of this, everybody.
34:34
SPEAKER_00: So like,
34:35
You want to engage in both left brain and right brain
34:38
activities for stress control
34:39
SPEAKER_00: and stress management.
34:41
SPEAKER_00: So you want to do the cognitive stuff that can be de-stressing,
34:46
SPEAKER_00: doing a crossword puzzle,
34:47
SPEAKER_00: doing a word search,
34:51
SPEAKER_00: playing Scrabble,
34:53
SPEAKER_00: doing jigsaw puzzles is more of creative art,
34:55
SPEAKER_00: right brain stuff,
34:56
SPEAKER_00: doing drawing and drafting and just even coloring.
34:59
SPEAKER_00: That's why those adult coloring books
35:02
SPEAKER_00: Not not the sex coloring books,
35:04
SPEAKER_00: not the pedophile,
35:05
SPEAKER_00: but like the adult coloring books where you're,
35:09
SPEAKER_00: you know,
35:10
SPEAKER_00: it's where it's it's forcing your right brain activity.
35:13
SPEAKER_00: You know,
35:14
those types of activities which we've known in mental health
35:19
training for stress
35:22
SPEAKER_00: management is really huge.
35:25
SPEAKER_00: Driving is a whole other thing.
35:26
We talked about this a few episodes ago with the driving and
35:29
just how that's not
35:30
SPEAKER_00: very de-stressing for anybody today.
35:34
SPEAKER_00: Right.
35:34
SPEAKER_00: But I just think,
35:36
SPEAKER_00: you know,
35:36
SPEAKER_00: when we talk about confronting burnout,
35:39
SPEAKER_00: I think it's not I think the title of the show isn't confronting burnout.
35:41
SPEAKER_00: I think it's more about managing stress.
35:44
SPEAKER_00: Like life is stressful.
35:46
Like we're in like the and there's like the burnout we're all
35:50
going to face very
35:51
SPEAKER_00: soon is going to be the economic burnout.
35:55
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if all of you have gone to the grocery store lately.
35:59
SPEAKER_00: Like I went,
36:00
SPEAKER_00: we just had like a hot,
36:01
SPEAKER_00: we just did a Memorial Day party and I just happened to,
36:04
SPEAKER_00: I have,
36:04
SPEAKER_00: I had an extra bag.
36:06
SPEAKER_00: So I brought it to the office for my staff.
36:09
SPEAKER_01: Like this was the leftover, not branding here.
36:13
SPEAKER_00: I'm not gay.
36:15
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
36:16
SPEAKER_00: But I want to show everybody the, um, it's probably like $7.99.
36:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:26
SPEAKER_02: I fucking knew it.
36:28
SPEAKER_02: That is crazy.
36:29
SPEAKER_02: Those used to be like $1.99 at the grocery store.
36:32
SPEAKER_02: It used to be like $4.99.
36:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because that's the like...
36:37
SPEAKER_00: I did the research.
36:37
SPEAKER_00: Two years ago, this bag, this party-sized bag was $4.99.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: It's now $7.29.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: Okay?
36:47
SPEAKER_00: So... Corporate America, go fuck yourself.
36:52
SPEAKER_00: Right?
36:52
SPEAKER_02: That stuff adds up really quick, too.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: Don't forget where all this stuff...
36:56
SPEAKER_00: Nick Paro nickparo
37:22
SPEAKER_00: confronting burnout that we are all going to face.
37:24
SPEAKER_00: Forget what we're seeing at the gas pump right now.
37:27
But what you're seeing right now in your grocery stores is the
37:30
result of the
37:32
economic policies and shipping and global food supply of
37:38
February and March and
37:40
SPEAKER_00: April.
37:43
SPEAKER_00: What we're going to be seeing is the June is the May, June, July, August.
37:49
SPEAKER_00: Where you're going to see those shelves getting a little thinner.
37:53
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
37:54
SPEAKER_00: Because they're going to go higher.
37:56
SPEAKER_00: Because think about it.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: Chicken feed, what do chickens eat?
38:01
SPEAKER_00: Corn.
38:04
SPEAKER_00: What do turkeys eat?
38:08
SPEAKER_00: Corn.
38:12
SPEAKER_00: Right?
38:13
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
38:14
so what do you think the price of beef is going to be when cows
38:18
are not going to be
38:18
SPEAKER_00: really plumpy?
38:21
or Chickens are not going to be in as you know I mean like this
38:24
is this is and I
38:26
don't mean to stress everybody on our confronting burnout show
38:28
but this is
38:30
important that you start that we all have to start pre-planning
38:33
now like now's the
38:33
time to go like major purchase like and freeze because it's
38:41
gonna get infinitely
38:42
SPEAKER_00: expensive in the next three months yeah
38:46
and I listen I'm a fresh food guy like I'll go and buy fresh
38:50
chicken breast and
38:51
like just but I've watched in the last two years organic
38:55
chicken breast go from
38:56
$4.99 to $6.99 and that's gonna only go up even higher and
39:03
here's a secret every
39:05
the prices don't come down I'm gonna do my Dean Blundell thing
39:08
the price will come
39:09
SPEAKER_00: down you know and and then I'll have a technical
39:14
Does everybody notice that Dean always has one technical glitch
39:16
during every show?
39:19
SPEAKER_01: Pretty much.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: Dean always has one technical glitch.
39:21
SPEAKER_00: It's like I always expect it during the five stack.
39:24
There's always a technical glitch on Dean's end where he's got
39:26
to log off and his
39:28
SPEAKER_00: microphone doesn't work.
39:30
SPEAKER_00: Oh wait, that's happened to you before.
39:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
39:34
SPEAKER_02: Multiple times.
39:35
SPEAKER_02: So
39:38
I think the whole point with burning out and confronting what
39:42
our burnout is,
39:42
SPEAKER_00: it's really how do we want to handle our stress?
39:47
Stepping away from the computer,
39:49
stepping away from your phone like Nick does,
39:54
like you.
39:55
SPEAKER_00: By the way, I got an email from GovX.
39:59
SPEAKER_00: You know the app GovX, right?
40:01
SPEAKER_00: 50% off baseball tickets.
40:04
SPEAKER_00: So anybody that's a frontline service,
40:07
SPEAKER_00: firefighter,
40:07
SPEAKER_00: police,
40:08
SPEAKER_00: military,
40:09
SPEAKER_00: first responder,
40:11
SPEAKER_00: healthcare related,
40:12
SPEAKER_00: you know,
40:13
SPEAKER_00: GovX has a 50% off for like Major League Baseball.
40:17
SPEAKER_02: You can go sit out in the outfield for like 10 bucks and sit in the sun.
40:23
SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean, you don't have to spend $80 on concessions.
40:26
SPEAKER_00: You can pack your food and bring it to you with a baseball game.
40:29
SPEAKER_00: You can bring your food into a baseball game.
40:31
SPEAKER_00: They still allow that.
40:32
SPEAKER_00: You just can't bring alcohol in.
40:34
um there are ways to enjoy being outside without you know you
40:39
can you can go to
40:41
your local lake you can you know you don't have to spend eight
40:46
million dollars
40:47
going to amusement parks you know you can go hiking you can go
40:54
sit you can do a
40:55
family picnic you know and you can you can recreate time with
41:00
your neighbors
41:02
SPEAKER_00: recreate time with family
41:06
Like that's how we manage stress I think that's the best way to
41:09
manage it is to
41:10
recenter our lives around people not things I think that's been
41:18
the biggest thing
41:19
for me lately is even if it's just like trying to communicate I
41:25
know I'm bad about
41:25
it but just trying to communicate with people and be around
41:30
people that are
41:31
SPEAKER_02: enjoyable and add to your life and everything and I think that
41:35
Spending those moments like you said if you go on a family
41:38
picnic you don't need to
41:39
spend a ton of money I know things are expensive and everything
41:43
right now but it's
41:45
just those little moments that kind of give you the mental
41:47
reset and get us back
41:49
into that I guess pre-COVID mode where we just spend time with
41:54
people you know I
41:55
feel like everybody's become so isolated and that's contributed
41:59
to a lot of the
41:59
burnout is because when you're isolated and you have that
42:03
stress on you you can't
42:04
SPEAKER_02: there's no
42:06
Other Person To Help You Relieve It Or Anything And I Think
42:10
That Human Contact Like
42:11
Eric Said Is It's Essential You Know Like Even If It's Talking
42:16
To Your Neighbor For
42:17
20 Minutes Outside Or Whatever It Is Just Finding Some Way To I
42:24
Guess Get Out Ahead
42:25
Of The Burnout So That It Doesn't Weigh You Down Later And
42:29
You're Able To Function
42:30
SPEAKER_02: Through The Chaos And Everything I Think That's Really Important
42:36
SPEAKER_00: Nick and I'll let you kind of poke in after I make my thought here,
42:42
but I think we need to maybe draw another link in confronting
42:48
burnout and I think
42:49
SPEAKER_00: we need to tie it to hope.
42:54
SPEAKER_02: It's okay to have hope in the darkness like when things are like this.
42:59
SPEAKER_00: You know, what do they say?
43:01
That courage isn't present in the absence of fear,
43:05
but it's the one that confronts fear.
43:07
SPEAKER_00: That's what courage is.
43:08
SPEAKER_00: They taught you guys that, hopefully.
43:13
SPEAKER_00: But hope is the same thing.
43:14
SPEAKER_00: Hope is not yielding without doubt.
43:21
SPEAKER_00: Right?
43:21
The ones that are most vigilant is the ones that always hold
43:26
out hope against doubt.
43:29
and i think we're a lot of us are here because we have hope we
43:34
believe in what we
43:36
are saying we believe in what we are trying to do we are
43:39
believing in the fight and
43:41
we're believing in each other yeah that's that's a huge one too
43:48
you know last
43:51
SPEAKER_01: november
43:51
Look at how far our relationship has gone just by doing a
43:55
simple live show once a
43:57
week and a couple messages over text a couple of times a week
44:00
just to say hi,
44:01
SPEAKER_00: congratulations.
44:02
SPEAKER_00: And like we all congratulate Walter for taking time off today.
44:06
SPEAKER_00: Right.
44:06
SPEAKER_00: We wanted that for he's he's I thought he was like,
44:09
SPEAKER_00: well,
44:09
SPEAKER_00: he was getting to be a little bit much of a loose cannon.
44:16
SPEAKER_00: You can have a little visit from the FBI soon.
44:17
SPEAKER_00: I haven't kept going.
44:19
That's how you can tell Walter's burnt out But you know I want
44:27
everybody to
44:27
understand that like I swear to God Nick I'll give you the
44:30
podium in a second I
44:33
think part of confronting our burnout is also never losing hope
44:37
in what we are and
44:39
what we are striving to be as a people and it starts with it
44:43
starts from within and
44:45
SPEAKER_00: what you exude out to what other people see
44:48
And unfortunately,
44:49
I hate to say this,
44:50
but we all,
44:52
everybody,
44:53
go out and engage people.
44:55
SPEAKER_00: Get out of the house.
44:57
SPEAKER_00: Go somewhere and just say hi to somebody on the street.
45:01
SPEAKER_00: Go to your local library and just say hi to a couple people.
45:05
SPEAKER_00: Go out and just be social.
45:09
I know it's hard for a lot of people to do that I know it's
45:11
very difficult for some
45:12
people from a mental health point of view but there is
45:15
something therapeutic and
45:17
cathartic about having somebody say hi to you back you know and
45:23
a lot of more
45:24
people are looking for that than I think we realize also yeah
45:31
okay Nick you're up
45:34
SPEAKER_01: I'm done no I've been enjoying listening to this conversation
45:39
SPEAKER_01: Now is I've been enjoying this conversation.
45:41
This has been fun to listen to like we need part of it is we
45:46
just need to sit back
45:47
and let ourselves listen sometimes to and finding joy is is
45:55
super important.
45:56
SPEAKER_01: Finding the way to fight through burnout isn't isn't just mental burnout,
46:02
SPEAKER_01: but like physical burnout to like our bodies are exhausted.
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SPEAKER_01: If you are
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if you're stressed all the time which is what they're trying to
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make us all be
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which is what this whole thing is about is to make you so you
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don't want to resist
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is your body starts hurting and shutting down so you got to
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take care of yourself
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and how do we balance that and it's I'm glad like you said Eric
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it's good that we
46:32
were able to celebrate Walter not being here like we are happy
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that he's taking a
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SPEAKER_01: day off because he needs it
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we are encouraging each other to find the time that we need and
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rest and not
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purposely burn ourselves out right now because we have a couple
47:00
months that we
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still have to at the minimum that we have to keep pushing as
47:06
hard as we can
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SPEAKER_01: because we can't let off the break.
47:10
SPEAKER_01: We can't let off the gas right now.
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SPEAKER_01: And even after these next couple of months,
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SPEAKER_01: after the primaries and after elections,
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SPEAKER_01: we even assuming we win in the way that we need to,
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SPEAKER_01: we still can't let off the gas.
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SPEAKER_01: We still can't let off.
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SPEAKER_01: In fact,
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that's the time when we have to then apply more pressure to
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actually get done what
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SPEAKER_01: was promised to get done.
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SPEAKER_01: We have to continue the squeeze
47:38
until it's over until we've gotten all the juice that we can
47:42
out of it people i
47:45
don't think that's the part of the burnout we're not prepared
47:50
for i don't think and
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finding these little tools now for ourselves like remembering
47:57
that we like building
47:58
puzzles as a family is really important and then doing those
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things going and
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SPEAKER_01: finding a hobby that you really enjoy doing
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Go Find A Hobby And Squeeze Your MAGA Ball So That You Keep
48:16
Your Stress Out But Go
48:19
Find A Hobby Or Something Like Yes Resistance And Active
48:23
Resistance Is Hugely
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Hugely Necessary Continual Active Resistance Is Hugely
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Necessary And Mental
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SPEAKER_01: Exhaustion Is A Huge Thing
48:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like Ashley's in the chat.
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SPEAKER_00: Hey, Ash.
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SPEAKER_00: And like she's on wheels, right?
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SPEAKER_00: That is like even she said like for two and a half hours,
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SPEAKER_00: it's the most gratifying thing for the people that she delivers food to.
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SPEAKER_00: Not so much for her, but for them.
48:51
Like that's she's making a difference in maybe she's delivering
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the five to ten people,
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right?
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But think about the difference in the lives that she has just
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by bringing those
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SPEAKER_00: food deliveries to them.
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and how important it is for those people just for that that
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little bit of contact
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that she gives to them once a week you know we can that's you
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know that was the
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whole thing like John Lennon was a smart guy right hope and
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love are going to save
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the world and we have to show more hope and more love to our
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fellow neighbors to
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SPEAKER_00: our fellow citizens and to the non-citizens because they deserve it too
49:36
and we just we just have to be better people and enough of this
49:40
this this righteous
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indignation that oh you're an illegal you don't belong here
49:48
well who do you think
49:49
built your house jackal you know they're only illegal because
49:54
we've put a title on
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SPEAKER_00: them of illegal yeah right they're people these are fucking human beings
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and they deserve joy and happiness just as much as the rest of
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us and I think you
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guys both made a really good point is that we have to prepare
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and recognize the
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stress and the pressure that we're going to have to put on
50:23
people especially
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Democrats if like Nick said they go if the elections in
50:28
midterms go the way that
50:30
SPEAKER_02: we're expecting them to
50:33
It's going to be uncomfortable because we're going to have to
50:35
put a lot of pressure
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SPEAKER_02: on democratic leadership and demand consequences,
50:40
SPEAKER_02: transparency,
50:41
SPEAKER_02: all of that stuff.
50:43
SPEAKER_02: So it's so essential to,
50:44
SPEAKER_02: I guess,
50:46
SPEAKER_02: in the next six months,
50:47
create these kind of habits and make them routines that you're
50:52
actively being
50:56
SPEAKER_02: you're being proactive about the burnout because we're we're all going to
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SPEAKER_02: experience it at some point.
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next year over the next six months that sort of thing but if
51:05
you have those good
51:06
habits and those good routines to be able to focus on the
51:11
positives and everything
51:12
it's only going to make you that much more effective when those
51:16
times do come
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around like intentionality is huge right now and intentionally
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teaching ourselves
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SPEAKER_01: how to find joy and create
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is useful and needed because when the squeeze is squeezing hard
51:42
you can't that's
51:43
not when you need to be finding your tools on how to cope with
51:48
burnout or how to
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force yourself into a period of rest or step away or be able to
51:56
take criticism or
51:58
SPEAKER_01: critiques from your friends when they say hey you need to take a break
52:02
or something like that you have to have those tools already in
52:06
your tool belt and
52:07
practiced or they're not useful like you can't practice using a
52:13
tool when you need
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the tool you have to practice before it so that it's wrote so
52:20
that it's memorized
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so that you know your body responds to it and right now we're
52:28
in a high it we're in
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SPEAKER_01: a
52:30
lower pressure moment at this second compared to where we have
52:34
been at other times
52:36
so far we're still in high pressure situations we're just not
52:40
in the highest of
52:42
SPEAKER_02: chaos at the moment Nick do you remember the five Ps or the six Ps prior
52:50
preparation prevents piss poor performance yes I do remember
52:56
hearing that the
52:57
SPEAKER_01: phrase my son
52:59
hates a lot but is or or dislikes when I say it because he
53:04
doesn't quite understand
53:05
it yet but also is a really important one is the slow is smooth
53:09
smooth is fast and
53:12
that's a tool right now too for us is slowly figure out is find
53:17
your skill that you
53:19
want to or your tool that is going to help you help prevent you
53:24
from burnout slowly
53:27
SPEAKER_01: start learning how to do it
53:29
SPEAKER_01: and get used to it.
53:31
And then it becomes something that you can quickly use and
53:34
quickly find as a way to
53:37
SPEAKER_01: heal when you need it the most.
53:41
SPEAKER_00: Eric, what were you going to say?
53:41
SPEAKER_00: Do you guys mind if I read something?
53:44
SPEAKER_00: I want to read something.
53:45
SPEAKER_00: It's a very famous author.
53:48
SPEAKER_00: I think we all need to remember the words that are written.
53:54
So you guys are going to know immediately reading it,
53:56
but I think it's important to read it.
53:58
Read it because it's different when you hear it versus when you
54:00
read it i'm
54:01
starting somewhere in the middle of the document okay we hold
54:07
these truths to be
54:08
self-evident that all i'm going to change it because it needs
54:12
to be updated for
54:13
21st century america uh that all people are created equal that
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they are endowed by
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SPEAKER_00: their creator with certain
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SPEAKER_00: rights that among these are life,
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SPEAKER_00: liberty,
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SPEAKER_00: and the person happiness that to secure these rights,
54:29
governments are instituted among people deriving their just
54:33
powers from the consent
54:34
of the governed that whenever any form of government becomes
54:39
destructive of these
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SPEAKER_00: ends,
54:41
it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it and to
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institute new
54:47
SPEAKER_00: government laying its foundation on such principles
54:52
and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall seem
54:58
most likely to affect
54:59
SPEAKER_00: their safety and happiness.
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Prudence indeed will dictate that governments long established
55:08
should not be
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SPEAKER_00: changed for light and transient causes.
55:12
SPEAKER_00: And accordingly,
55:12
all experience hath shown that man that humankind are more
55:17
disposed to suffer while
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SPEAKER_00: evils are sufferable.
55:21
than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they
55:24
are accustomed.
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SPEAKER_02: Doesn't it sound exactly like what we're going through?
55:34
SPEAKER_00: Exactly what we're going through, right?
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SPEAKER_00: But for those of you that were not sure what the document was,
55:38
SPEAKER_00: it's the Declaration of Independence.
55:42
SPEAKER_00: 250 years ago, the founding oligarchy of this country saw fit
55:50
SPEAKER_00: that they could no longer live under an oppressive monarchy regime sat in
55:59
SPEAKER_00: Philadelphia to the threat of themselves,
56:03
SPEAKER_00: to their families,
56:06
SPEAKER_00: to their towns,
56:07
SPEAKER_00: their little villages,
56:09
to their own welfare and their own foundational wealth and
56:15
decided that it was time
56:17
SPEAKER_00: that enough was enough.
56:22
and they showed the bravery the courage to I'm trying to I'm
56:28
only trying to
56:29
challenge Steve Smith here but it's not working in language but
56:33
like you know they
56:36
they were able to channel the devotion that they had for being
56:42
independent that
56:43
SPEAKER_00: they wanted something better for their family and for themselves
56:50
and for the future too for the future that they did not want to
56:54
be governed by a
56:55
monarch we don't need a goddamn ballroom we don't need a
57:01
reflecting pool painted
57:02
blue with this picture on the bottom of it I don't need his
57:06
face on Mount Rushmore
57:07
I sure as shit don't need his name on the Kennedy Center and I
57:11
sure as shit don't
57:12
SPEAKER_00: want it okay I am tired
57:19
But I am holding fast my hope that better people prevail
57:28
because all of us,
57:31
SPEAKER_00: all of us,
57:32
SPEAKER_00: our futures,
57:35
SPEAKER_00: not just the near future,
57:36
SPEAKER_00: but the long term future of our children,
57:38
SPEAKER_00: our children's children,
57:41
SPEAKER_00: our great,
57:42
SPEAKER_00: great,
57:42
SPEAKER_00: great grandchildren.
57:43
SPEAKER_00: What are we leaving behind?
57:49
and that's important I think that's what we've lost sight of is
57:52
well certain people
57:54
have lost sight of and especially a lot of elected officials is
57:59
that's been the
58:01
reoccurring theme mostly throughout this country is what are
58:05
you leaving behind or
58:07
what are you providing for the next generation and I think
58:11
that's what we need to
58:13
SPEAKER_02: remember now and get back to and I think we're going to be all right
58:18
I think that there's enough people that believe in the words
58:22
that Eric just spoke
58:24
and enough people that actually feel those words for us to put
58:29
an end to this shit
58:31
and for us to get past the burnout and for us to just be okay
58:37
what like we're all
58:40
taught we're all taught how it begins right the declaration
58:43
like we're all taught
58:43
SPEAKER_00: that like that whole section do you remember how it ends
58:49
SPEAKER_00: Do you remember the ending words that Jefferson wrote?
58:52
SPEAKER_02: What are they?
58:53
SPEAKER_02: I should know.
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SPEAKER_02: I know that.
58:54
...of this declaration with a firm reliance on the protection
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of divine providence.
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If you just think about the language that they were using back
59:05
then and just how
59:07
SPEAKER_00: eloquently they basically said,
59:08
SPEAKER_00: King George,
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SPEAKER_00: fuck off.
59:10
SPEAKER_00: Right?
59:11
SPEAKER_00: It was basically their way of saying, fuck you.
59:14
SPEAKER_00: Okay?
59:15
and for the support of this declaration with a firm reliance on
59:18
the protection of
59:19
divine providence we mutually pledge to each other our lives
59:25
our fortunes and our
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sacred honor they put their money and their lives on the line
59:33
for this we as a
59:37
SPEAKER_00: country and as a people should do no less and this is what our
59:45
This Is What Watched When He Gave Up The Presidency And Chose
59:48
Not To Run Again That
59:50
It Was An Honor It Was Not It Was Not His Place To Remain As
59:54
King Or As President
59:56
Or Whatever You Want I Mean He Felt It Was Necessary To Step
1:00:00
Aside We Have Lost
1:00:04
Such Sight Of This That I Don't Even Think Half Of The People
1:00:10
In Congress Have Read
1:00:11
SPEAKER_00: This Fucking Document
1:00:15
i know lauren bobert hasn't i know mark wayne mullen probably
1:00:19
hasn't she know how
1:00:20
to read right i'm not an educated fuck you know it's funny i do
1:00:28
like these audit
1:00:29
calls right and the first question i ask when i have a lot of
1:00:31
providers on the
1:00:31
phone i say please raise your hand if you've read the medicare
1:00:34
provider integrity
1:00:35
SPEAKER_00: manual
1:00:36
Now,
1:00:36
the Medicare Provider Integrity Manual does not read like the
1:00:38
Declaration of Independence.
1:00:39
SPEAKER_00: I get that.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_00: But like it's it's it's like it reads like stereo instructions,
1:00:44
SPEAKER_00: but it's the Bible on providers on how to bill Medicare.
1:00:47
If you can't read that document,
1:00:48
you're going to bill Medicare for services.
1:00:49
SPEAKER_00: You better know what the hell you're doing.
1:00:51
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:00:51
SPEAKER_00: Because that's the guideline.
1:00:52
SPEAKER_00: That's the book.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_00: This this document was written at a time when we
1:01:00
like they were being taxed to no end they were they were being
1:01:04
oppressed by British
1:01:06
soldiers right and like what is any different today we have ice
1:01:14
that's basically
1:01:15
patrolling our streets we have a paramilitary force that is not
1:01:19
legal running
1:01:20
around our country we have a president I don't want to call him
1:01:23
that you know
1:01:24
SPEAKER_00: fucking shitbag
1:01:27
Diet Coke Slurping Burger Eating Motherfucker The Pedophile
1:01:31
Stealing Our Money
1:01:34
Stealing Our Money Pedophile Protect Them Up One Way Or Another
1:01:37
AI Polytech Fucking
1:01:40
Douchebags Wanting To Build AI Data Centers All Over This
1:01:44
Country That Are Sucking
1:01:45
Millions A Gallon A Day When We're In A Fucking Out Like When
1:01:52
Do We Say Enough Is
1:01:54
SPEAKER_00: Enough When Have We Fucking Had It
1:01:57
SPEAKER_00: and we have our own little Declaration of Independence that says,
1:02:00
SPEAKER_00: well,
1:02:00
SPEAKER_00: government's gotten out of hand,
1:02:01
SPEAKER_00: we're going to abolish it and rewrite a new one.
1:02:06
SPEAKER_02: Because enough's enough.
1:02:07
SPEAKER_02: And we've got to prevent the burnout before we have to get to that.
1:02:11
Well,
1:02:11
see,
1:02:12
I read the Declaration of Independence,
1:02:13
I read that,
1:02:15
and it just refired me up again.
1:02:17
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't have the burnout anymore after I read that.
1:02:21
SPEAKER_01: And I hope it does the same for other people.
1:02:26
it's one of those things that we kind of just we have to just
1:02:30
do it we have to
1:02:31
rewrite it we have to stop asking who's going to rewrite it
1:02:35
when is it going to get
1:02:36
rewritten what is going to be the yada yada yada is just I
1:02:42
guess we just got to do
1:02:43
it like we've been asking for like how do we need an app or
1:02:48
something where we're
1:02:49
SPEAKER_01: not under the thumb of billionaires and we're not
1:02:53
Do we're we're not using their tools okay well I I'm gonna just
1:02:58
do it like that's
1:02:59
part of my plan is we're just gonna build an app we're gonna
1:03:02
build build the app
1:03:03
that we've been asking for a feed based timeline based app that
1:03:07
doesn't have the
1:03:08
algorithm just suppressing shit it's just your content is there
1:03:11
by feed based and
1:03:13
SPEAKER_01: it's not owned by someone else we just have to start responding to
1:03:21
when are we gonna do this when are we gonna get ready for it
1:03:23
with okay well we're
1:03:25
just gonna do it like I I talked to Jared Zizzer this morning
1:03:30
and one of the things
1:03:32
there was a comment in our on our show and he's a marine marine
1:03:36
corvette um
1:03:39
and he and I as we were talking someone put a comment in the
1:03:42
show that was it's
1:03:44
horrific that we keep asking veterans to do all these things
1:03:47
after their service
1:03:48
and I my comment back was we I really hate when people I've
1:03:52
gotten to hate when
1:03:53
people say that because it's not horrific that we're asking
1:03:56
veterans to continue to
1:03:57
SPEAKER_02: serving it should be an honor for us to continuing serving our country
1:04:01
in whatever capacity we can and I see it as an honor to
1:04:05
continue my service by
1:04:07
being out here and being vocal and using the privilege I have
1:04:11
and I think if we
1:04:11
start reframing the way that we're thinking about even just
1:04:15
what we're doing and
1:04:18
how we can get people involved so that we're not degrading it
1:04:22
as we're doing it
1:04:24
SPEAKER_01: because then people get more excited
1:04:27
like I would rather it be an honor to be out here speaking on a
1:04:30
podcast talking
1:04:32
about veteran issues and human issues and disability issues and
1:04:41
promoting our
1:04:42
rights and listening to it because I think it's an honor to be
1:04:45
here and I think
1:04:47
it's an honor to be able to have a community that listens and
1:04:50
hears and wants to
1:04:51
SPEAKER_01: come back and hear what we're talking about to me that's an honor like
1:04:55
and i think we should be on we should be talking about it in
1:04:58
that way and i think
1:04:59
that'll help slow the burnout for some but i also think it'll
1:05:04
encourage more to
1:05:05
come out and see that there's there's honor in doing it that
1:05:09
this is patriotism it
1:05:11
is an honor for me to come out and serve my country by
1:05:14
reminding people that
1:05:15
there's an internal domestic enemy and it is our federal
1:05:20
government right now and
1:05:21
SPEAKER_01: we have to be very clear
1:05:23
on that didn't we didn't we all take it out at one point in our
1:05:26
service to defend
1:05:28
that doesn't go away against all enemies foreign and domestic
1:05:33
that oath was for
1:05:34
life that oath is for life that is not a temporary no not an
1:05:41
oath of convenience
1:05:43
and if we are going to step back up yeah and this is one of
1:05:50
those two things where
1:05:51
SPEAKER_01: Ashley, you put out the statement of it's reciprocal.
1:05:55
I'm hoping I'm expanding on this when I say that is part of
1:05:59
that reciprocality is
1:06:01
when the veteran when especially for us veterans who are
1:06:04
showing up and stepping up
1:06:06
is when we do come out and we step up and we put our faces out
1:06:10
there and we don't
1:06:11
SPEAKER_01: hide our identities because
1:06:13
SPEAKER_01: Those of us in positions where we can do that, do it.
1:06:16
If you're in a place where you need to hide your identity and
1:06:18
put masks on because
1:06:19
SPEAKER_01: it's safety,
1:06:20
SPEAKER_01: other things I am not degrading that in any way.
1:06:22
SPEAKER_01: I just want to make sure that is ultra clear on that.
1:06:25
SPEAKER_01: There are certain reasons to use masks.
1:06:28
SPEAKER_01: However,
1:06:28
SPEAKER_01: that being said,
1:06:29
SPEAKER_01: my position right now where I'm at and others who are like me,
1:06:33
SPEAKER_01: who are in the media,
1:06:34
SPEAKER_01: who are like us right here,
1:06:36
SPEAKER_01: our faces are out here.
1:06:38
that rep the reciprocal nature of all of that because I can't
1:06:44
say that the other
1:06:45
word is the reciprocity for this is because we're doing this
1:06:52
part is I'm asking you
1:06:54
to support us as in support our work put it out there get
1:06:58
others talk about it talk
1:07:00
about us talk about the things that we're talking about because
1:07:04
if we step up and
1:07:05
SPEAKER_01: we're going to talk about these things
1:07:08
it doesn't make a difference unless others start listening and
1:07:13
hearing and that's
1:07:15
where once you start seeing the people step up and become the
1:07:20
space that is needed
1:07:22
reward them by picking that message up and running with it in
1:07:28
person and the more
1:07:29
SPEAKER_01: that we do it the better and the more that
1:07:34
The more we speak the better the more that y'all speak the
1:07:36
better because the
1:07:37
louder we get we don't have to become violent our side never
1:07:43
needs violence our
1:07:45
side in fact will win when we come out of this if we can
1:07:50
refrain from violence the
1:07:52
longer we refrain from violence the better too peacefully and
1:07:57
patriotically
1:07:59
and that patriotism needs to be heard and seen and visible and
1:08:03
we need to remind
1:08:04
ourselves that what we are doing is patriotism is patriotic and
1:08:12
we need to then
1:08:12
make that patriotism visible again and make others believe that
1:08:18
what they are doing
1:08:19
SPEAKER_01: is patriotic and that they want
1:08:22
to feel that patriotism because it makes them part of a
1:08:26
community that they want to
1:08:29
be a part of and that's where we need to get back to um and so
1:08:36
and yeah supporting
1:08:37
smaller voices it's yeah it's masculine to be out here and
1:08:42
doing this shit
1:08:44
SPEAKER_01: non-violently yeah exactly
1:08:49
all right we've reached over the top of our hour of our show
1:08:53
and i've got another
1:08:54
show that i got to support here in about 20 minutes and i need
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a break because i've
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been on for almost two and a half hours almost three hours now
1:09:01
nick needs a bio
1:09:03
break no i did that before i buy a break before the show i need
1:09:08
a i need to step up
1:09:09
and i need to step out and do other things for a moment so that
1:09:12
my back stops
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SPEAKER_01: hurting because i've been in this chair too long break
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that break starts with just sucking less is come support my boy
1:09:22
Evan Fields news
1:09:23
from underground Evan promote yourself I appreciate you guys
1:09:28
what I will say is
1:09:29
SPEAKER_02: just subscribe to news from underground we've got a great community
1:09:33
um i am a part of banner and backbone now too so i'm gonna talk
1:09:39
to nick about doing
1:09:40
that work and probably hopefully putting out some policy stuff
1:09:44
over there but on
1:09:45
news from underground i'd say that a lot of it has reflected my
1:09:49
mood lately and a
1:09:50
lot of that is trying to point out the positives and all the
1:09:55
chaos and everything
1:09:57
SPEAKER_02: and remind everybody that
1:09:59
we're gonna be alright and we can still appreciate things in
1:10:01
life while it's all
1:10:03
fucking burning down I guess but yeah subscriber news from
1:10:07
underground even if it's
1:10:08
a free subscription that helps with the algorithm and all that
1:10:12
stuff and I
1:10:13
appreciate you guys man I'm glad to be back and I'll be doing
1:10:17
these live streams
1:10:18
regularly again and I'm just happy to be here I love you guys
1:10:22
thanks brother
1:10:24
SPEAKER_01: appreciate you glad you're here with us
1:10:27
and i'm glad your writing is reflecting where you're at i know
1:10:32
i know i love you
1:10:33
guys we're back we're back the gang is back baby once walter's
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back we'll be able
1:10:39
SPEAKER_02: to do a full group hug
1:10:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, guys, thank you so much for tuning in today.
1:10:51
SPEAKER_00: I know I had a lot to say today.
1:10:52
I was kind of quieter last week,
1:10:54
and this week I found my voice again,
1:10:56
which is not hard to do.
1:10:58
SPEAKER_00: But you can find me here on Stockback, Blue Ant Media.
1:11:02
SPEAKER_00: I do have a paywall, but it's only for one reason.
1:11:06
SPEAKER_00: I have a subscription paywall that I'm putting a fund together.
1:11:13
SPEAKER_00: Every dollar that's donated as an annual subscription,
1:11:17
iMatch which goes into a fund that we're developing for digital
1:11:22
creators to start
1:11:24
their independent businesses um i have a business plan together
1:11:30
and trying to fund
1:11:31
this so it's it's like an 18 month process for a digital
1:11:34
creator to get started
1:11:36
where they go through the training they have a mentor they
1:11:38
publish articles they
1:11:39
SPEAKER_00: get a stipend
1:11:40
um on during the month and then there's a profit share with
1:11:43
their subscriptions for
1:11:45
the first two years and then we cut and then they're cut loose
1:11:47
out of the program
1:11:48
completely on their own but it's the idea of supporting each
1:11:51
other's work and
1:11:52
supporting the younger creators and newer creators with those
1:11:55
of us that are doing
1:11:56
better and can afford to do such I do not keep a penny of
1:12:01
anything that is a
1:12:02
subscription all goes into this fund it's in an escrow account
1:12:05
so that's how I
1:12:07
SPEAKER_00: don't suck less love it
1:12:11
love it and then come support me here sick of this shit
1:12:15
publications and just suck
1:12:19
less yourself just suck less yourself with sick of this shit
1:12:23
publications we've got
1:12:24
our chronic illness discussions our masculinity better humaning
1:12:27
these types of
1:12:28
discussions progressive politics unfiltered because fuck that
1:12:33
filter fuck that
1:12:34
SPEAKER_01: filter I'm all about pro dignity pro human hashtag fuck that filter
1:12:40
Hashtag fuck that filter Hashtag do that shit Because we're
1:12:44
done being sick of it
1:12:45
And so please come support me Paid subscriptions really really
1:12:49
do help And I really
1:12:50
appreciate all the paid subscribers Help nick Support me But
1:12:55
help these two first I
1:12:57
SPEAKER_00: love you guys And
1:13:01
I really appreciate all the work that and support that everyone
1:13:05
is offering I
1:13:06
appreciate you guys both here I appreciate Walter everyone
1:13:10
who's on the support
1:13:14
yeah and I'll put Walters up here is don't forget to support
1:13:17
Walter he's doing some
1:13:18
SPEAKER_01: incredible work
1:13:20
also you'll see Beth in the comments putting out the shop for
1:13:24
sick of this shit
1:13:25
publications.com come support the shop come buy some of the
1:13:29
merch we've got some
1:13:30
really cool lines in there intelligent masculinity stuff that
1:13:33
just suck less water
1:13:34
bottles and so you can get all your great sick of the shit
1:13:39
publications fan merch
1:13:42
SPEAKER_01: and support the growth all of it is really going back into
1:13:48
the tools and that there is all knocked himself out all of it's
1:13:56
really going back
1:13:57
into supporting the tools for me and so everything I appreciate
1:14:05
all of you for
1:14:06
being here I appreciate all of you for being a part of our
1:14:09
community thank you for
1:14:10
coming back over and over with us thank you for building this
1:14:13
with us and as I say
1:14:14
SPEAKER_01: at the end of all of our shows
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is we're done being sick of this shit so now we're doing this
1:14:19
shit let's go have a
1:14:20
great day everyone we'll see y'all next week for another
1:14:23
Diogenes Club thanks guys
1:14:25
SPEAKER_00: later guys