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Mega Edition: Bryan Kohberger And The Mad Greek Restaurant (8/9/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. We're
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Speaker 1: getting reports from People magazine that Brian Cohberger visited the
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Speaker 1: Mad Greek restaurant at least twice before the victims were killed. Now,
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Speaker 1: we've talked about the Mad Greek here on this podcast,
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Speaker 1: theorizing that that was the location that would be ground
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Speaker 1: zero where it seems the most likely that Brian Cohberger
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Speaker 1: would have any contact with Madison or Zana or kay
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Speaker 1: Lee at a place like this, right, a restaurant where
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Speaker 1: one of them worked, And we know that Xana and
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Speaker 1: Madison both worked at this restaurant. So you add this
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Speaker 1: report that he went there at least two times to
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Speaker 1: the other report of him following Madison, Zana, and kay
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Speaker 1: Lee on Instagram, and you start to have that whole
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Speaker 1: motive that some of these defense attorneys have been talking about. Now,
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Speaker 1: of course, if you look at it just by itself, Okay,
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Speaker 1: big deal, guy went to go get some vegan food,
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Speaker 1: grabbed himself a vegan pizza.
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Speaker 2: What's the big deal. Well, if it was just this,
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Speaker 2: it wouldn't be a big deal at all.
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Speaker 1: And if I was sitting on a Jerry and you
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Speaker 1: just came with this and said, hey, look, he was
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Speaker 1: at this place twice and Madison and Xana worked there,
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Speaker 1: so we need to convict him.
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Speaker 2: I would laugh you out of the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: But when you add it all up with the other
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Speaker 1: stuff we know, it all turns into some pretty damning stuff.
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Speaker 1: For Brian Kohberger, I want to make sure that I add, however,
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Speaker 1: that this is from an anonymous source. Right, we don't
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Speaker 1: have anyone putting their name behind this. So there's going
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Speaker 1: to be people out there who aren't going to believe
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Speaker 1: these sources. There's people who are under the impression because
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Speaker 1: there's a gag order, nobody's gonna say a word about
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Speaker 1: what's going on. But from my experience over the past
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Speaker 1: four and a half five years covering Jeffrey Epstein, Maxwell,
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Speaker 1: Gabby Potito, goes on and on, there's always going to
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Speaker 1: be leaks. And you have to remember it's not just
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Speaker 1: gonna come from law enforcement. There's a lot of other
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Speaker 1: people that are working on these cases. You have specialists,
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Speaker 1: you have contractors. So inevitably people are gonna talk, and
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Speaker 1: never mind employees or ex employees or friends, and especially
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Speaker 1: if there's some money offered up for their time. Right,
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Speaker 1: you think some of these outlets are above paying sources.
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Speaker 1: They are not. And look, we can talk about the
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Speaker 1: ethics when it comes to doing something like that as
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Speaker 1: far as paying people for stories, but that's how a
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Speaker 1: lot of that stuff gets out there. It's not always
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Speaker 1: coming from the police or from the prosecution or from
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Speaker 1: the defense. It's coming from other sources that might have
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Speaker 1: access to case files or evidence or whatever.
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Speaker 2: So we have to keep that in mind.
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Speaker 1: Just because there's a gag order doesn't mean there aren't
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Speaker 1: ways to a get around it if the prosecution or
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Speaker 1: defense feels that they want to do that or b
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Speaker 1: that there's going to be people out there who are
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Speaker 1: working on the case in whatever capacity that aren't working
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Speaker 1: for the police department or the FBI, and those people
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Speaker 1: inevitably are going to leak a little bit of information
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Speaker 1: from time to time. And these journalists at these bigger
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Speaker 1: outlets like People here and some of the other outlets
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Speaker 1: Fox and CNN, they're not paying for their stories, well
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Speaker 1: at least they say they're not, so they have to
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Speaker 1: develop sources. And a lot of times people will just
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Speaker 1: talk to newspaper outlets or journalists because they want their
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Speaker 1: story told. So we'll see a lot of that leading
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Speaker 1: up to this trial, and we've talked about that previously.
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Speaker 1: So it's no shock to me that people has a
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Speaker 1: source that they've cultivated that's giving them what seems to
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Speaker 1: be quality information. Now, of course, we always have to
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Speaker 1: keep in mind that it might be BS. It might
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Speaker 1: all end up being BS when the chips are down
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Speaker 1: and there's a trial going on, it might end up
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Speaker 1: being that this source was wrong, or this source was
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Speaker 1: taking them for a walk. But I don't think that's
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Speaker 1: the case here because it all adds up right. It's
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Speaker 1: not some far fetched, nonsensical BS. You got a guy
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Speaker 1: who's a vegan. He lives I don't know, eight miles
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Speaker 1: or so roughly from the mad Greek who has a
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Speaker 1: pretty good vegan menu, So chances are old boys probably
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Speaker 1: gonna pop in there at some point. You don't have
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Speaker 1: to be some kind of great investigator to put that together.
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Speaker 1: And once you figure that out, well the rest of
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Speaker 1: it's easy. Where else is he gonna run into these girls?
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Speaker 1: I guess that'll bar or whatever. But is it as
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Speaker 1: easy to start stalking somebody from a drunken encounter in
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Speaker 1: a bar or you know where they work? Now you
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Speaker 1: can sit on the place, you can case it, you
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Speaker 1: can figure out their travel patterns, and before you know it,
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Speaker 1: you know everything about them, basically from following them around
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Speaker 1: from Afar And let's rewind back to the whole Kaylee
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Speaker 1: had a stalker thing. All of it makes sense, right,
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Speaker 1: and the pieces all start to add up. Now it
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Speaker 1: is circumstantial, and none of this is locked in and
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Speaker 1: guaranteed to be the truth, but it's certainly starting to
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Speaker 1: smell like something's cooking here. So with all of that said,
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Speaker 1: let's get into this article from People magazine and let's
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Speaker 1: see what they came up with. Headline, Idaho suspect Brian
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Speaker 1: Cohberger visited restaurant where two victims worked at least twice
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Speaker 1: before killings. According to a former employee at the Mad
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Speaker 1: Greek restaurant in Moscow, Idaho, Brian Cohberger came in at
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Speaker 1: least twice to grab vegan pizza. This article was authored
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Speaker 1: by Steve Helling. And I know there's some of you
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Speaker 1: out there that are going to say, look, the Mad
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Speaker 1: Greek already came out and said that he was never here. Well,
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Speaker 1: did the Mad Greeks say that or did their lawyers
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Speaker 1: tell them to say that. Remember, they're not obligated to
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Speaker 1: tell us anything. They don't have to tell us the truth.
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Speaker 1: They can come out there and tell us that there's
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Speaker 1: fairies dancing around in Tutwo's in the waiting room, and
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Speaker 1: that's why they can't give us information.
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Speaker 2: Whatever they want to say.
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Speaker 1: It's not like they're legally bound to tell anybody anything.
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Speaker 2: Besides the police.
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Speaker 1: So they could come out and say, we have no
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Speaker 1: idea who Brian Coburger is. He is not familiar to us,
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Speaker 1: but at the same time know that there's something else
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Speaker 1: going on, as far as surveillance videos and as far
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Speaker 1: as employees recognizing the fact that they might have served
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Speaker 1: this dude. In the weeks before the slayings of four
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Speaker 1: University of Idaho students last November, the man now accused
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Speaker 1: of killing them allegedly ate at the restaurant where two
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Speaker 1: of the victims worked. According to a former employee at
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Speaker 1: the Mad Greek restaurant in Moscow, Idaho, Brian Coberger came
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Speaker 1: in at least twice to grab a vegan pizza. Two
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Speaker 1: of the victims, Madison Mogen and Xana Kernodle, were servers
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Speaker 1: at the restaurant. It's unclear if either woman ever waited
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Speaker 1: on Coburger or if they even interacted, but People confirms
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Speaker 1: that a now deleted account that appeared to belong to
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Speaker 1: Coburger once followed both Mogen and Kernodle on Instagram, along
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Speaker 1: with the third female murder victim, Kaylee Gonsalves, And we're
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Speaker 1: going to do an article on that as well coming up.
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Speaker 1: But that was exactly what the suspicion I had was
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Speaker 1: as well, that Coburger was following them on social media,
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Speaker 1: because the account that I was looking at previously before
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Speaker 1: it was scrubbed by Instagram certainly looked like the legitimate
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Speaker 1: account of Brian Coberger. And then you go back and
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Speaker 1: you do all of the digital forensics and tie it together,
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Speaker 1: stuff that I'm not smart enough to do, to be
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Speaker 1: honest with you, But when you look at what they
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Speaker 1: found forensically linking it to an email address, and it
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Speaker 1: certainly seems like that Instagram account, at least that one
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Speaker 1: was actually Brian Kohberger's Instagram account. So when you add
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Speaker 1: all of that up and you start putting that together,
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Speaker 1: you have a little bit more than even foundational building blocks.
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Speaker 1: At this point. You have a whole ass frame. People
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Speaker 1: has also confirmed via an investigator familiar with the case,
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Speaker 1: that law enforcement is aware of the restaurant visits and
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Speaker 1: that investigators have interviewed employees and owners of the Mad Greek.
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Speaker 1: They have also collected surveillance video from the restaurant and
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Speaker 1: surrounding businesses.
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Speaker 2: So they definitely are our hip to.
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Speaker 1: What went on here, Meaning the investigators, there's no doubt
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Speaker 1: that they've done their due diligence. Once again, if myself
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Speaker 1: and other people were putting those pieces together, do you
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Speaker 1: really think these FBI investigators and detectives weren't making you know.
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Speaker 2: Two plus two years of course they were.
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Speaker 1: It was now just about confirming that for them, making
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Speaker 1: sure that their suspicions could be confirmed with evidence, and
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Speaker 1: it certainly looks like there's going to be that evidence
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Speaker 1: of him being at the Mad Greek. The former employee
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Speaker 1: tells People that there was nothing suspicious about Coburger's visits
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Speaker 1: to the Mad Greek, and that he only stood out
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Speaker 1: because he had a particular order. A strict vegan, Coburger
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Speaker 1: would check to make sure that his food had not
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Speaker 1: come into contact with animal products, and that certainly tracks
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Speaker 1: with what we heard previously about you know, relatives having
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Speaker 1: to get new pots and pans before Brian Coberger came
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Speaker 1: over for holiday meals and shit. So it certainly tracks,
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Speaker 1: it weaves together, it ties together, and it seems as
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Speaker 1: if this person, this source is telling the truth. Mogan, Kernodle, Gonsalves,
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Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin were stabbed to death in an off
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Speaker 1: camp as rental home in Moscow, Idah, on November thirteenth.
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Speaker 1: A massed intruder entered the home and killed the four
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Speaker 1: students with a fixed blade knife. More than a month later,
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Speaker 1: authorities arrested Coburger, a twenty eight year old graduate student
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Speaker 1: and teaching assistant at Washington State University. He was charged
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Speaker 1: with four counts of murder and one count of felony burglary.
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Speaker 1: Coburger was arrested at his parents Pennsylvania home on December thirtieth.
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Speaker 1: He waived his extradition to Idaho, meaning he voluntarily agreed
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Speaker 1: to return to the state to face the charges against him.
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Speaker 1: He was transported back to Idaho on January fourth. According
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Speaker 1: to the probable cause affid David obtained by People, one
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Speaker 1: of the victims surviving roommates said she saw the killer.
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Speaker 1: The roommate described the figure clad in black clothing and
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Speaker 1: a mask who walked past her as the person left
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Speaker 1: the crime scene. And it's going to be interesting just
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Speaker 1: to talk about that for a minute, to see how
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Speaker 1: the prosecution goes about getting her store to the jury.
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Speaker 1: Are they going to have her testify? Are they going
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Speaker 1: to use a grand jury? So there's you know, several
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Speaker 1: different things they can do, but it's going to be
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Speaker 1: interesting to see which pathway they choose to go down.
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Speaker 1: The affid David also alleged that Coburger was linked to
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Speaker 1: the crime scene from DNA and cell phone pings. Authorities
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Speaker 1: have not publicly disclosed the suspected motive in the killings.
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Speaker 1: Coburger has not yet entered a plea, His next hearing
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Speaker 1: isn't until June twenty sixth, and his attorneys have not
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Speaker 1: returned people's messages for comment, and they're not going to.
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Speaker 1: Don't expect Dan Taylor or anyone working on the case
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Speaker 1: directly to speak to the media. That is not going
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Speaker 1: to happen. The only information, like I've said before, is
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Speaker 1: going to be the court filings and whatever people can
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Speaker 1: get from leaks and sources that they develop all right, folks,
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Speaker 1: So that's going to do it for this one. And
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Speaker 1: if you'd like to contact you can do that at
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Speaker 2: You can also find me on.
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Speaker 2: The link that I discussed can be found in the
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Speaker 2: description box. We thin It's coalition. What's up everyone, and
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Speaker 2: welcome back to the program.
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Speaker 1: Yesterday we were talking about the report that Brian Kolberger
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Speaker 1: ate at the Mad Greek at least two times. Well,
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Speaker 1: now the owner of the Mad Greek is coming out
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Speaker 1: and refuting that report.
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Speaker 2: However, I don't know if I buy what she's selling.
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Speaker 1: It would make sense that the owner of this store
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Speaker 1: wouldn't want this store to be in the headlines with
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Speaker 1: all the wild ass, wacky people out there who think
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Speaker 1: they're part of the story, who are probably calling there
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Speaker 1: breaking their chops. But for me, I happen to belie
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Speaker 1: leave the source that people has cultivated, and I believe
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Speaker 1: that he was in fact at the Mad Greek, and
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Speaker 1: later on down the road we'll find that out one.
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Speaker 2: Way or the other. Either he was or he wasn't right.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna find that out at the trial or maybe
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Speaker 1: during the discovery, but either way, as of right now,
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Speaker 1: all we have to go on are what the owner
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Speaker 1: of the Mad Greek has to say and what the
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Speaker 1: source from people is telling us. And remember it's not
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Speaker 1: just the one source from people, it's the ex employee
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Speaker 1: and a law enforcement official that's close to the investigation.
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Speaker 1: So you're gonna have to decide for yourself what you believe,
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Speaker 1: and to do that you have to have all the
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Speaker 1: context that's possible.
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Speaker 2: So we're definitely gonna add all sides of the.
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Speaker 1: Story here on the podcast, because, as you know, I'm
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Speaker 1: not trying to have confirmation bias here and I'm not
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Speaker 1: trying to chase down any kind of pigeonholed speculation. So
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Speaker 1: if they weren't at this restaurant, that's fine, but I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna need more of a source than the owner of
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Speaker 1: the restaurant coming out and saying this. Considering imagine, if
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Speaker 1: you own this restaurant, do you really want to talk
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Speaker 1: about two of your employees who were murdered by somebody
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Speaker 1: who was patronizing the restaurant? Probably not great for business, right,
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Speaker 1: never mind the investigation. Let's talk about the bottom line here,
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Speaker 1: and a lot of that is what plays into this.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: This owner doesn't want people calling there, going there, and
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Speaker 1: you have to understand that that's very, very understandable. This
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Speaker 1: lady has a business to run. And let's not forget
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Speaker 1: that these were her employees. These aren't just names in
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Speaker 1: a story. These are people that she knew, people that
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Speaker 1: were at the job every single day, that you know,
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Speaker 1: she built a relationship with. So we have to keep
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Speaker 1: that in mind as well. But the overall story, the
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Speaker 1: overall connection of him running into them at the Mad Greek,
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Speaker 1: I just think it's something that fits well in this
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Speaker 1: story and it would make a lot of things make sense. However,
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Speaker 1: I am certainly open into wherever the evidence leads us.
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Speaker 1: So with that said, let's see what the owner of
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Speaker 1: the Mad Greek has to say. Headline Idaho murders restaurant
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Speaker 1: where two victims work disputes report.
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Speaker 2: That Brian Coberger ate there.
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Speaker 1: This article was published by Fox News and the author
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Speaker 1: of this article is Adam Sabs. The owner of a Moscow,
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Speaker 1: Idaho restaurant where two slain students worked is speaking out
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Speaker 1: after one report claimed that quadruple murder suspect Brian Coberger
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Speaker 1: visited the business twice, saying that is inaccurate. So she's saying,
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Speaker 1: the owner that Brian Coberger has never ever been at
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Speaker 1: the Mad Greek. That's what she's telling us. That's what
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Speaker 1: she wants you to believe. Now, the question is, do
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Speaker 1: you believe that he lived within eight miles of this restaurant?
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Speaker 1: It has quite the vegan selection. So is it really
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Speaker 1: that far of a stretch to think that this dude
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Speaker 1: visited this restaurant for lunch one day, or maybe you
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Speaker 1: went in there at night or something like that while
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Speaker 1: they were working, who knows. According to the owner, it
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Speaker 1: never happened. A People article published on Thursday claims that
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Speaker 1: Coburger visited the Mad Greek where Madison Mogan and Xana
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Speaker 1: Kernodle worked, and ordered vegan pizza, citing a former employee.
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Speaker 1: The owner of the Mad Greek, Jackie Fisher, says in
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Speaker 1: a Facebook post that the report is based on completely
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Speaker 1: fabricated information. So why would somebody fabricate that information? Why
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Speaker 1: would somebody just come up with that and say that
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Speaker 1: he has been there if he hasn't. And then not
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Speaker 1: only that but reported to the authorities. That would be
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Speaker 1: a bit foolish, right, Send the authorities on a wild
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Speaker 1: goose chase. There would be some penalties for that, you
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Speaker 1: would think wasting police resources in a case like this.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's a good idea.
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Speaker 1: The news media should really do their due diligence before
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Speaker 1: running a story with completely fabric information. This will be
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Speaker 1: my only response to this story from people it is
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Speaker 1: not true. Fisher wrote, Well, that's really not going to
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Speaker 1: cut it.
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Speaker 2: Honestly.
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Speaker 1: Just saying it's not true is all fine and well,
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Speaker 1: but it really doesn't do anything to dispute this report. Again,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot that goes into it from an owner's perspective, right,
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Speaker 1: and we have to keep that all in mind. The
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Speaker 1: last thing you want is your restaurant to be associated
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Speaker 1: with these murders. So of course they're going to be
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Speaker 1: cautious about what they say, what they have their employees say.
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Speaker 1: And if you don't think that they have a lawyer involved,
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Speaker 1: you are crazy. They most certainly do. And here's where
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Speaker 1: it gets a little interesting. I also have not forbidden
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Speaker 1: employees from speaking to reporters. We all decided collectively to
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Speaker 1: support the families and not share anything that could potentially
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Speaker 1: harm the investigation or cause the families more stress. She added,
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Speaker 1: So if there was nothing to share, then what's the
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Speaker 1: big deal. You shouldn't have to get together with all
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Speaker 1: of your employees and talk about collectively not sharing anything
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Speaker 1: that might be harmful if there was nothing to share. Right,
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Speaker 1: So her whole statement to me really doesn't make all
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Speaker 1: that much sense. But if she says he wasn't there, okay,
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Speaker 1: we'll have to roll with that. The People report also
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Speaker 1: stated that an investigator familiar with the case said that
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Speaker 1: law enforcement is aware of Coburger's visit to the restaurant.
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Speaker 1: And notice she doesn't refute that report right, that there's
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Speaker 1: an investigator, or that the investigators are aware that Coburger
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Speaker 1: allegedly was at this restaurant two different times. You notice
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Speaker 1: she only brings up her employees, right, doesn't say anything else.
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Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin, Zanti Kernodle, Madison Mogan, and Kaylee Gonsalvez were
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Speaker 1: allegedly stabbed to death by twenty eight year old suspect
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Speaker 1: Brian Cohberger during the early morning hours of November thirteenth
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Speaker 1: in Moscow, Idaho. Coburger, a Washington State University teaching assistant
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Speaker 1: and PhD student in the depart of Criminal Justice was
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Speaker 1: arrested on December thirtieth in all Brightsville, Pennsylvania. He is
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Speaker 1: facing four counts of first degree murder and one count
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Speaker 1: of burglary with the intent to commit murder. If he's
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Speaker 1: convicted of the first degree murder, Coburger faces life in
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Speaker 1: prison or the death penalty.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking it's going to be the death penalty. Remember
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Speaker 1: we're in Idaho. You know, those yokels are going to
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Speaker 1: show up in their overalls and their farmers hats and
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Speaker 1: be ready to rock. Pennsylvania State Police Major Christopher of
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Speaker 1: Paris said during a press conference on January third that
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Speaker 1: force was used to gain entrance to the Coburger home
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Speaker 1: during the early morning hours of December thirtieth in all Brightsville, Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 1: There were multiple windows that were broken, I believe to
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Speaker 1: gain access, as well as multiple doors, Paris said during
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Speaker 1: the press adding that Brian Coberger's parents were home at
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Speaker 1: the time, and you know, I feel bad for Brian
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Speaker 1: Colberger's parents. Honestly, have you seen his mom and dad?
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Speaker 1: It's just the collateral damage that's caused by something like
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Speaker 1: this is just unspeakable because even the people that are murderers,
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Speaker 1: like they allege Brian Kolberger to be, he has family
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Speaker 1: who loves him, right, his mom is dad, his sister,
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Speaker 1: and all of that collateral damage added on to the
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Speaker 1: rest of the misery.
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Speaker 2: It's just all bad.
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Speaker 1: But as far as the mad Greek goes, I mean, look,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to believe whatever it is that you
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Speaker 1: wanna believe, whatever you think is the truth. But my
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Speaker 1: personal opinion is he was at this restaurant. Now, I
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Speaker 1: certainly can't prove that, and the owner, well they would
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Speaker 1: know better than me, right, But at the same time,
20:44
Speaker 1: we have to understand that the owner is motivated by
20:47
Speaker 1: other things as far as business, as far as, like
20:51
Speaker 1: she said, not wanting to be involved in the investigation
20:54
Speaker 1: or make it harder on the police.
20:56
Speaker 2: I can understand that completely.
20:57
Speaker 1: And if you got together with your employees and you
21:00
Speaker 1: all came to some kind of agreement to not say
21:03
Speaker 1: anything to try and make things go more smoothly during
21:06
Speaker 1: the investigation, I could see how one employee, you know,
21:10
Speaker 1: deviating from that course could be annoying, could be frustrating,
21:14
Speaker 1: and if it was just that one employee that was
21:17
Speaker 1: the source, then I'd be more inclined to believe the
21:20
Speaker 1: owner here. But we know that the investigators are involved
21:23
Speaker 1: as well, and we know that they scoured all of
21:25
Speaker 1: these stores previously for video and surveillance and all of
21:30
Speaker 1: the rest of it. So if Coburger was in that store,
21:34
Speaker 1: the Mad Greek, then they're gonna know that, and eventually
21:37
Speaker 1: when this trial comes, we're gonna know it too. But
21:41
Speaker 1: I could totally see what the owner's doing here trying
21:44
Speaker 1: to put out this fire. I can't imagine how many
21:47
Speaker 1: people are contacting them, calling them, trying to get interviews.
21:51
Speaker 1: And when you have a business to run and you're
21:53
Speaker 1: dealing with the tragedy of losing some employees, can't be
21:57
Speaker 1: an easy road to navigate. So I do have a
21:59
Speaker 1: lot of compassion for them, no doubt about it. And
22:03
Speaker 1: with her coming out making this statement that she's not
22:05
Speaker 1: going to make any other statements, then I think that
22:08
Speaker 1: the media, the legacy media, should respect that and leave
22:11
Speaker 1: them alone over there. If any of the other employees
22:14
Speaker 1: want to come forward and speak, then that's one thing,
22:17
Speaker 1: but nobody should harass them or the Corner Club or
22:21
Speaker 1: any of these other places that were affected by this tragedy.
22:24
Speaker 1: If people want to talk, they'll talk. You know, one
22:26
Speaker 1: phone calls fine, But the harassment that you see from
22:29
Speaker 1: the legacy media sometimes is a bit much. There is
22:32
Speaker 1: no doubt, and you have to think with a story
22:36
Speaker 1: like this, any little piece of information coming out is
22:39
Speaker 1: going to cause a maelstrom of activity. So you own
22:44
Speaker 1: a business in this small town, especially a business that's
22:48
Speaker 1: thrust into the middle of all of this, it can't
22:50
Speaker 1: be an enjoyable time. So we have to recognize that
22:54
Speaker 1: and understand that these are real people that we're talking about.
22:58
Speaker 2: So there you have it, folks.
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Speaker 1: We have a source allegedly who was an employee at
23:04
Speaker 1: the Mad Greek who tells us that Brian Coberger was
23:07
Speaker 1: there at least twice. We have official sources or at
23:11
Speaker 1: least anonymous sources that claim to be working on the
23:15
Speaker 1: investigation or close to the investigation, who also say it's true.
23:19
Speaker 1: But we'll have to see when all of the evidence
23:22
Speaker 1: is finally presented. So what do you think. Do you
23:25
Speaker 1: think Brian Coberger was at the Mad Greek or do
23:29
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23:56
Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. For the past few days,
24:01
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of talk about the alleged sighting
24:05
Speaker 1: of Brian Koberger at the Mad Greek and the Mad
24:08
Speaker 1: Greek's response to that People Magazine information that was released
24:13
Speaker 1: to the public. Well, now People Magazine is coming out
24:18
Speaker 1: and they're standing behind their story, they're standing behind their source,
24:22
Speaker 1: and they say that the information that they released was accurate,
24:26
Speaker 1: and I tend to believe them. I'm not usually someone
24:29
Speaker 1: who believes the legacy media for the most part, but
24:33
Speaker 1: it just seems that all of this lines up perfectly.
24:37
Speaker 1: And when you look at what's going on here, you
24:39
Speaker 1: have the gag order and all the rest of it
24:41
Speaker 1: all happening right after this information becomes public. That leads
24:46
Speaker 1: me to believe that it has some legs. You know,
24:49
Speaker 1: the saying, right where there's some smoke, there's some fire. Well,
24:53
Speaker 1: here in this instance, I happen to believe that that
24:56
Speaker 1: certainly is the case. So today we're going to start
24:59
Speaker 1: our episode by reading the response of the Mad Greek's
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Speaker 1: owner and then jumping into a BuzzFeed article where we'll
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Speaker 1: hear from People magazine defending the information that they have cultivated.
25:12
Speaker 1: So first let's go to the statement from the owner
25:15
Speaker 1: of the Mad Greek. The news media should really do
25:19
Speaker 1: their due diligence before running a story with completely fabricated information.
25:24
Speaker 1: I don't know what is completely fabricated here, but I
25:28
Speaker 1: guess she's saying that the information that the ex employee
25:32
Speaker 1: and legal source is giving people is a bunch of
25:35
Speaker 1: buck GISTs. This will be my only response to this
25:38
Speaker 1: story from People. It is not true. This person who
25:42
Speaker 1: wants their five minutes of fame has now caused a
25:45
Speaker 1: whole bunch of extra work for myself and the investigators.
25:49
Speaker 2: And I get that.
25:50
Speaker 1: I'm sure that an extra amount of work has been
25:53
Speaker 1: heaped in their lap because there's a bunch of knuckleheads
25:56
Speaker 1: who think they're gonna go and break the case by
25:58
Speaker 1: going to talk to people at mad Greek. But if
26:01
Speaker 1: the person was looking for their five minutes of fame,
26:03
Speaker 1: why would they come out and make this statement anonymously.
26:07
Speaker 1: I also have not forbidden employees from speaking to reporters.
26:11
Speaker 1: I don't know how you would do that anyway, What
26:13
Speaker 1: could what would you say, I'm gonna fire you from
26:15
Speaker 1: your mad Greek job if you talk to reporters. I mean,
26:19
Speaker 1: I get it, nobody wants to lose their job, but
26:22
Speaker 1: it's not like you're getting fired. As the CEO of
26:25
Speaker 1: Disney over here, we all decided collectively to support the
26:30
Speaker 1: families and not share anything that could potentially harm the
26:33
Speaker 1: investigation or cause the families more stress. So I don't
26:37
Speaker 1: know what information you would have that could cause the
26:40
Speaker 1: families more heartache. I mean, if the dude was there,
26:43
Speaker 1: you was there. It's all gonna come out eventually to
26:48
Speaker 1: all media reporters, internet sleuths, et cetera. Please allow us
26:52
Speaker 1: to grieve the loss of our friends and co workers.
26:55
Speaker 1: I agree with that statement. Nobody should be bothering them.
26:58
Speaker 1: Nobody should be showing up there chasing people down trying
27:02
Speaker 1: to talk to employees. If they want to talk to you,
27:05
Speaker 1: then they'll talk to you. But besides that, I don't
27:07
Speaker 1: see the point in making people's lives miserable like they
27:10
Speaker 1: had anything to do with what went down here. But
27:13
Speaker 1: with that said, once again, I don't believe the statement.
27:17
Speaker 1: I don't believe that Brian Koberger was never here. Why
27:20
Speaker 1: would People magazine make that up? It just doesn't make
27:23
Speaker 1: sense to me. But I'm certainly willing to follow the
27:25
Speaker 1: evidence wherever it goes. As of now, there has been
27:29
Speaker 1: no evidence provided that would refute this People Magazine story
27:34
Speaker 1: besides what the owner of this restaurant has to say,
27:37
Speaker 1: So it really comes down to who do you believe.
27:42
Speaker 1: This has been incredibly hard on us, with our phones
27:44
Speaker 1: ringing off the hook, reporters banging on my door at
27:48
Speaker 1: my private residence, and hunting down employees, as well as
27:51
Speaker 1: showing up constantly at the restaurant. We have not been
27:54
Speaker 1: afforded the time to grieve. Please stop calling, messaging, knocking,
27:58
Speaker 1: and showing up personally. Will not be doing any interviews
28:02
Speaker 1: or entertaining wild accusations at this time.
28:06
Speaker 2: What is so again?
28:06
Speaker 1: What is so wild about saying that Brian Coberger was
28:10
Speaker 1: eating at this restaurant? Now, if somebody came out and
28:13
Speaker 1: said Brian Coberger chloroformed somebody at this restaurant and dragged
28:17
Speaker 1: them out the door, well, yeah, that would be a
28:19
Speaker 1: wild accusation, right, But I don't think that saying he
28:23
Speaker 1: was eating at this restaurant is some kind of crazy
28:26
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. I mean, they had a vegan menu, he
28:30
Speaker 1: worked and lived about eight miles away. There's places here
28:33
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas that are about eight, ten, twelve miles
28:36
Speaker 1: away from me that I go eat at. So what's
28:38
Speaker 1: so crazy to think that the dude was there and
28:41
Speaker 1: ate some food at some point. My employees also feel
28:45
Speaker 1: the same to all others. Please don't believe everything you
28:48
Speaker 1: read if it's not coming from the courts or the police,
28:51
Speaker 1: wait until it does or doesn't before judging. And again,
28:55
Speaker 1: like I said yesterday, this same can be said for
28:58
Speaker 1: her statement. It really comes down to who you believe.
29:00
Speaker 1: And for me, the owner of the Mad Greek obviously
29:04
Speaker 1: has skin in the game. They don't want a bunch
29:05
Speaker 1: of lunatics at their restaurant asking questions and I completely
29:09
Speaker 1: get that. But what would people have to gain from
29:12
Speaker 1: making that up? Maybe some clicks, I guess, but really,
29:15
Speaker 1: in the long run, is that going to serve them well?
29:18
Speaker 1: Making this kind of story up knowing that they're going
29:21
Speaker 1: to be covering it for the duration, it would seem
29:24
Speaker 1: like a terrible strategy to try and get some extra
29:27
Speaker 1: clicks right here by promoting BS. I just don't see
29:31
Speaker 1: them doing that, although I will say this, it is
29:33
Speaker 1: the legacy media we're dealing with, so you never know.
29:36
Speaker 1: I just happen to believe what they're selling here in
29:39
Speaker 1: this instant. To everyone who has supported myself, my family,
29:44
Speaker 1: and my employees, thank you your kind words and support
29:47
Speaker 1: help us get through each day while we navigate these
29:50
Speaker 1: unknown times. Respectfully, Jackie Fisher of the Mad Greek. So
29:55
Speaker 1: that was the response to the People magazine article and
30:00
Speaker 1: information that they released that Brian Kohberger ate at this
30:04
Speaker 1: Mad Greek at least two times. Well, now People has
30:07
Speaker 1: responded to this response, So let's dive into this article
30:11
Speaker 1: from BuzzFeed and let's see what People has to say
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Speaker 1: about their source and about this information that they brought
30:18
Speaker 1: to the public.
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Speaker 2: Headline. People said it stands by its reporting that the
30:23
Speaker 2: Idaho's stabbing suspect ordered pizza from the restaurant where two
30:27
Speaker 2: of the victims were even though the owner denied it.
30:31
Speaker 2: This article was authored by Drusilla Morehouse News about the
30:37
Speaker 2: stabbings of University of Idaho students Kelly Gonsalvez, Matti Mogan,
30:41
Speaker 2: Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin had slowed to a trickle
30:45
Speaker 2: after a judge and posed a gag order on January third,
30:48
Speaker 2: barring investigators, prose prosecutors, and defense attorneys from commenting on
30:53
Speaker 2: the case. But last week People, which regularly covers true crime,
30:59
Speaker 2: in addition to celebrit He's in entertainment, broke two explosive
31:02
Speaker 2: stories about the man charged with the student's murder. And
31:05
Speaker 2: for those of you who might not know, People is
31:08
Speaker 2: always covering true crime. There's always one or two articles
31:12
Speaker 2: in each magazine about this or that true crime case,
31:16
Speaker 2: and they have done a great job throughout the year
31:19
Speaker 2: is covering it. That's why I'm inclined to believe their sources.
31:22
Speaker 2: If they were talking about something else, well we'd have
31:25
Speaker 2: to revisit that, because I'm not really somebody who believes
31:29
Speaker 2: the legacy media in general when it comes to their nonsense.
31:33
Speaker 2: But when you're talking about true crime like this, certain
31:36
Speaker 2: outlets do have better coverage than others, There's no doubt
31:40
Speaker 2: about it. And People has done a very good job
31:43
Speaker 2: covering true crime for a long time. The first story,
31:48
Speaker 2: published on January seventeenth, said that Brian Kohberger had repeatedly
31:52
Speaker 2: messaged one of the women on Instagram, citing an unnamed
31:56
Speaker 2: investigative source. The messages were sent from. So what people
32:00
Speaker 2: said was Coburger's Instagram account, which the outlet said had
32:04
Speaker 2: viewed before it was removed, and that he had been
32:08
Speaker 2: following the accounts of Gonsalves, Mogen and ker Noodle. Now
32:13
Speaker 2: that's something we have talked about here previously, and for me,
32:16
Speaker 2: it's always been the most likeliest strand that ties these
32:20
Speaker 2: folks together. Social media, how big it is, how many
32:24
Speaker 2: people are on it, you know how it goes, and
32:27
Speaker 2: then you add the restaurant to it, and yeah, it
32:29
Speaker 2: all seems to be fallen into place, at least from
32:32
Speaker 2: my perspective. The vaguely identified investigative source, a law enforcement
32:38
Speaker 2: official risking their career by violating the gag order, a
32:41
Speaker 2: private detective, a family lawyer digging into the case, told
32:45
Speaker 2: people that the victim never replied to Coburger and may
32:49
Speaker 2: not have seen his messages, but the story spread like wildfire.
32:55
Speaker 2: It seemed to be the first time a connection had
32:57
Speaker 2: been established between Coburger and the victims and could suggest
33:01
Speaker 2: a motive for the seemingly inexplicable crimes. And now you
33:05
Speaker 2: see why they're so worried about protecting this information. If
33:10
Speaker 2: this is the motive, if this is what ties it
33:13
Speaker 2: all together, well it's a big deal. The next day,
33:17
Speaker 2: the judge amended the gag order, instituting sweeping restrictions to
33:21
Speaker 2: include attorneys representing victims, victims, families, and witnesses. Since then,
33:26
Speaker 2: twenty two news organizations have formed a coalition to protest
33:30
Speaker 2: the order and ask that it be narrowed. And we
33:33
Speaker 2: talked a little bit about this as well, about how
33:36
Speaker 2: broad the order is and how it could be challenged,
33:39
Speaker 2: and we're seeing some of that now already with these
33:42
Speaker 2: news organizations who have banded together. On January nineteenth, People
33:48
Speaker 2: published another story drawing a link between the suspected killer
33:51
Speaker 2: and the victims. Coberger came into the Mad Greek restaurant
33:55
Speaker 2: where Mogan and Kernodle worked at least twice to order
33:59
Speaker 2: vegan pizza, reported The source the article said was an
34:03
Speaker 2: unnamed former employee at the restaurant who remembered Coburger because
34:07
Speaker 2: of his concern over whether his food had come into
34:10
Speaker 2: contact with animal products. People reported that an unnamed investigator
34:15
Speaker 2: familiar with the case had said that police were aware
34:18
Speaker 2: of the restaurant visits. Well, if you look at everything
34:21
Speaker 2: that we know, or with everything that the police allege
34:25
Speaker 2: have happened, I guess is the better way to say it,
34:28
Speaker 2: then he was obviously stalking them. So if he was
34:31
Speaker 2: stalking them or stalking the house, why would anyone think
34:34
Speaker 2: he wouldn't know where they work or pop in to
34:37
Speaker 2: get himself a nice vegan pizza. But Jackie Fisher, the
34:41
Speaker 2: owner of the Mad Greek lamb, basted people for not
34:44
Speaker 2: doing its due diligence and running a story with completely
34:48
Speaker 2: fabricated information. It is not true, she said in a
34:52
Speaker 2: January twentieth Facebook post. This person who wants their five
34:56
Speaker 2: minutes of fame has now caused a whole bunch of
34:58
Speaker 2: extra work for myself and the investigators, Fisher said, exhorting
35:02
Speaker 2: people to please don't believe everything you read. She said
35:06
Speaker 2: she and her staff have been repeatedly harassed by.
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Speaker 1: Reporters and internet slews, constantly calling and appearing at the restaurant.
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Speaker 1: We have not been afforded the time to grieve, she said.
35:16
Speaker 1: Please stop calling messaging, knocking, and showing up. I personally
35:20
Speaker 1: will not be doing any interviews or entertaining wild accusations
35:24
Speaker 1: at this time. My employees also feel the same. So
35:27
Speaker 1: that was the statement we read in the beginning as well,
35:30
Speaker 1: and once again that's her refuting this story by People magazine.
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Speaker 2: BuzzFeed News asked People about.
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Speaker 1: Fisher disputing reporting in the Mad Greek story and whether
35:41
Speaker 1: the outlet was sure its unnamed source was reliable. In response,
35:45
Speaker 1: a People spokesperson said, People stands by its reporting, So
35:50
Speaker 1: there you go. People says that they're standing by their
35:53
Speaker 1: reporting and what they say and what they reported was accurate.
35:58
Speaker 1: The question is what do you believe? All right, folks,
36:03
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this one. All of the
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Speaker 1: information that goes along with this episode can be found
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