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Retired Boston Detective _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _616(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Before we begin, I'd like to say that some of
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  Speaker 1: the conversation from today is kind of graphic in nature.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about police work and detective work and some
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  Speaker 1: of it's intense. If those types of conversations are not
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  Speaker 1: for you, then please make that choice for yourself. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Today's guest is a retired Boston police officer and detective.
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  Speaker 1: She had over 20 years on the force before she
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  Speaker 1: joined the human trafficking unit. and fought criminals in that world.
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  Speaker 1: We learned a lot about what it's really like out there,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to thank her for her service. Today's
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  Speaker 1: guest is Miss Kara Connelly.
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  Speaker 2: I love this guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been losing some hair because of stress.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it happens. It sucks. Yeah. You just go in
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  Speaker 2: the sink and you got handfuls.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you just wake up and it looks like you
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  Speaker 1: look back and you're like, oh, who was- On your pillow, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's gross.
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  Speaker 1: Your pillow's got sideburns on it or something. You know?
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  Speaker 1: Your pillow's using a curling iron.
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  Speaker 2: It's a mess, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Same. There's way too much. You've dealt with it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, in the past, yeah. Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And was it stress from work?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and other things, but the Minoxidil definitely helps because
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  Speaker 3: I called my doctor and they're like, oh, she can't
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  Speaker 3: see you for nine months. And I was like, well,
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  Speaker 3: my fucking hair's falling out. And they're like, well, you
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  Speaker 3: could see the nurse practitioner in two months.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, no.
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  Speaker 3: So I went to one of those online things and
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  Speaker 3: they sent me minoxidil and like three months I had
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  Speaker 3: little bald baby hairs sprouting out and came back.
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  Speaker 2: So it does help.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm realizing. I just gotta, uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just taking some time just to enjoy, do things just
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  Speaker 1: that I enjoy. That's what I'm, that's like my focus
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  Speaker 1: right now is just to do things that I enjoy. Um,
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  Speaker 1: Because I'll let added stress stay on me as well,
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  Speaker 1: you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'll do. And it builds up. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: not realizing that everything's going to be okay, you know?
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  Speaker 2: My boyfriend's here with us, and when I was nervous
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  Speaker 2: about today, and he's like, it's all going to be okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is.
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  Speaker 2: Like, no platitudes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, everything's going to be okay. Kara Connolly, thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much for joining us. You are a retired police
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  Speaker 1: officer and detective from Boston.
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  Speaker 2: That's correct.
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  Speaker 1: And you were on the forces for 30... 31 years.
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  Speaker 2: 31 years.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you started out in Dorchester, I think.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, when I graduated the police academy, they send you
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  Speaker 3: to a couple different places to tell you you're on
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  Speaker 3: probation or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And I went to a part of the city called Dorchester.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, probation they send?
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  Speaker 3: So when you join the police department, you go through
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  Speaker 3: the police academy. And then when you get out, now
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  Speaker 3: they do it for a year.
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  Speaker 2: But when I did graduate, it was six months. And
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  Speaker 2: they have you, basically it's a probationary.
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  Speaker 3: Period to see if you're good enough, behave enough, or
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  Speaker 3: do the right thing.
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  Speaker 2: For like six months.
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  Speaker 3: So they send you to a couple of different places,
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  Speaker 3: like one busy district, one quiet district.
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  Speaker 1: So they start to like a probationary period somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And you might stay there, they might move you, but
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  Speaker 3: that's how you're on probation for six months. And then you're,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a full-time police officer after that.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And what were those first years on the force like? Um,
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  Speaker 1: Like in South Boston, was it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was actually born in South Boston. So
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  Speaker 3: I was in Dorchester and I was in South Boston.
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  Speaker 3: South Boston at the time was a quieter district. Dorchester
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  Speaker 3: was very, very busy. In the 90s, it was like
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  Speaker 3: in Boston was a ton of shootings and gang stuff
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  Speaker 3: going on. So comparatively speaking, South Boston was a quieter
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  Speaker 3: place to end up for several years.
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  Speaker 1: And what were the demographics of that area like where
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  Speaker 1: you were servicing?
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  Speaker 3: Kind of everywhere. Dorchester is a different... A different demographic
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  Speaker 3: in South Boston population-wise. Now South Boston's very hip and
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  Speaker 3: it's all young kids. But at the time, obviously, it
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  Speaker 3: was all just kind of families. Pretty quiet place at
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  Speaker 3: the time compared to other districts where it was shooting
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  Speaker 3: every couple of days.
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  Speaker 1: And is it mostly white, black, Latino, Asian?
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  Speaker 3: Dorchester at the time when I was first there was
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  Speaker 3: a lot of black, some white, some Asian. And South
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  Speaker 3: Boston at the time was mostly white but some black
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  Speaker 3: and Latinos.
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  Speaker 1: Got it. And who are the people they call Southies?
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  Speaker 1: Because you hear that a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Southies is not a thing. You could say you're from Southie,
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  Speaker 3: but it's not pluralized. There's no S on the end
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  Speaker 3: of it. So I'm from Southie, but I never said
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  Speaker 3: that growing up. We always said South Boston. Most people
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  Speaker 3: said I'm from Southie. It's just a nickname for.
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  Speaker 2: The part of town.
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  Speaker 1: Right. But do other people call you Southies? No.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: People from out of the city who hear about it
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  Speaker 3: became popular because it was in Goodwill Hunting, it was
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  Speaker 3: in South Boston, and so on.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of what put it on the map.
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  Speaker 3: So when people started moving there and didn't know any better,
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  Speaker 3: that's how they would say it. But people who grew
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  Speaker 3: up there back in the 70s, 80s, whatever, didn't say
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  Speaker 3: it like that. That pub that they filmed in became
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  Speaker 3: like a big thing, Elstree Tavern.
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  Speaker 2: And that was like around the corner from where I
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  Speaker 2: grew up.
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  Speaker 1: And were the people there distrustful of police at the time?
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  Speaker 1: What was the relationship like between?
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  Speaker 3: No. People in Southie liked the cops compared to other
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  Speaker 3: parts of the city, I think, in my experience.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was a quiet place when I worked there.
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  Speaker 3: Most of the stuff that kind of good stuff that
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  Speaker 3: happened or whatever crazy or calls I've been on happened
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  Speaker 3: when I was a detective. Patrolman was pretty quiet.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember one of your first, like, big, like,
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  Speaker 1: calls as a patrolman that was like, oh, this is real? Like,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember that, like, a first moment where you're like,
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  Speaker 1: this is pretty real?
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  Speaker 3: Well, a lot of the calls, it's funny, a lot
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  Speaker 3: of the calls when it comes in, like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a person with a gun call. Like, I still remember
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  Speaker 3: my first person with a gun call. I was shit
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  Speaker 3: in my pants because I was like, oh, my God,
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  Speaker 3: you know? And it turned out to be bullshit. It
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  Speaker 3: wasn't even real. So a lot of the calls are
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  Speaker 3: like that. You don't know they're fake until you get there.
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  Speaker 3: So you're like your adrenaline dump in the car and
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  Speaker 3: you're like, oh, my God, this is real. And I
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  Speaker 3: remember being like, what am I going to do?
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  Speaker 2: Nothing. It was a big nothing burger.
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  Speaker 1: Were you putting lipstick on or what? I mean, what
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  Speaker 1: do you even do?
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  Speaker 2: No, no. There was no lipstick when I was a patrolman. No.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like would you like powder up your face a
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  Speaker 1: little bit or something? No.
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  Speaker 2: No one powdered their face on the way to a call, huh?
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  Speaker 1: That wasn't it.
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  Speaker 2: No, that wasn't a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just in Charlie's Angels, huh? Yeah. What was
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  Speaker 1: it like being an officer in the 90s in that
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  Speaker 1: time period? Like was that way different than you think
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  Speaker 1: it is now?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. I think so.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously the gang, the rate of shootings in
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  Speaker 3: Boston was much higher then. I forget what their highest
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  Speaker 3: homicide rate was in the early 90s. It might have
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  Speaker 3: been like 150, 160 people. Now Boston has like 35
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  Speaker 3: a year. So it was a big difference. It's become
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  Speaker 3: much safer whether everyone, the gangs kind of aged out
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  Speaker 3: and they all went to jail or got shot or
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  Speaker 3: moved on in life.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever happened, it became much safer.
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  Speaker 1: I'd say. There's no money in being in a gang either.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are like, oh, this
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  Speaker 1: is a shitty business. This says 1990, the homicide peak.
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  Speaker 1: Boston's homicide count hit an all-time high of 152 cases
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  Speaker 1: with much of the violence concentrated among youth and involving firearms.
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  Speaker 1: The spike was driven by gang violence, crack, cocaine epidemic,
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  Speaker 1: and easy access to handguns.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the 90s are a little different than now
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  Speaker 2: for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Compared to then, how do you feel like police work
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  Speaker 1: is different between now and then? Do you have any
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on that?
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean, the whole community policing aspect started when
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  Speaker 3: I was new. So that's kind of still progressed along.
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean, community policing?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's what they call it. At the time, they
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  Speaker 3: had walk-in beats. So when I got on, you wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: be in a cruiser. You'd walk the neighborhood, kind of
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  Speaker 3: like they do in New York City. They have people
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  Speaker 3: walking around. There's not a lot of cruisers. And so
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  Speaker 3: they would put people in certain parts of the city.
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  Speaker 3: Like when I got on, for example, and I worked
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  Speaker 3: in Dorchester, I think there were like seven or eight
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  Speaker 3: walking beats up and down like kind of the main
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  Speaker 3: street in the town. And now, excuse me, there's only
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  Speaker 3: a couple. And they just put those on again. So
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  Speaker 3: they're kind of trying to get back to that. So
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  Speaker 3: that was very different. Like people who did the walking
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  Speaker 3: beats full time, like knew everyone in the neighborhood, that
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  Speaker 3: was the whole purpose is to get people into the
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  Speaker 3: neighborhood so people feel comfortable speaking to the police. Except
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  Speaker 3: the neighborhoods where they put The walking beats were usually
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  Speaker 3: the worst neighborhoods and people didn't give a shit.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't want to talk to us.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it didn't matter anyway.
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  Speaker 2: No, not the parts of the city where they had them.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's different.
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  Speaker 3: They don't have as many walking beats at all. They
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  Speaker 3: push a lot of the social media stuff like the
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  Speaker 3: dancing cops is the fucking worst. It's so cringy. And
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  Speaker 3: the department, all the police departments do that. They put
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  Speaker 3: it out to try to be like, look, we're excessive. Oh, see,
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  Speaker 3: it's so, so embarrassing.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't even seen this.
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  Speaker 2: It's just, it's so goddamn cringy.
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  Speaker 1: Are these real cops?
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  Speaker 3: That's usually the– I don't know about them. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 3: says they are.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 3: Well, at least they can dance. When our department puts
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  Speaker 3: it out, it's just like Red Cop's like, oh, we're
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  Speaker 3: playing basketball with the kids, and let's all do– especially
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  Speaker 3: during COVID.
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  Speaker 2: It's just– it's so cringey.
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  Speaker 3: They just put it out the other day from female
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  Speaker 3: women– law enforcement day and they had like women dancing
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  Speaker 3: some of my girlfriends and i sent it back and
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  Speaker 3: forth like this is so who.
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  Speaker 1: Wants to see dude the last thing i want is
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  Speaker 1: my cop dancing over there.
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  Speaker 3: Is that what you're looking for when you call for
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  Speaker 3: help someone to show up it's not dancing like you
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  Speaker 3: want someone who's gonna give you a hand yeah it's
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  Speaker 3: just i know they're trying to soften their image they
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  Speaker 3: don't want to look like paramilitary anymore they want to
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  Speaker 3: look friendly and not scary and whatever whether it works
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  Speaker 3: or not long term i don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah You get promoted to detective in 2005? 2007, yeah. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And what does it mean to become a detective? What
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  Speaker 1: does that mean exactly?
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  Speaker 3: So to become a detective back then, you had to
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  Speaker 3: take an exam. So it's like a six-month to year-long process.
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  Speaker 3: You have to study for several months and there's like
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  Speaker 3: six or seven textbooks you have to read. So you
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  Speaker 3: take the exam and then they do kind of like
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  Speaker 3: an oral interview, depending on how you score on the test.
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  Speaker 3: And then they kind of combine your Years of training
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  Speaker 3: and experience, your test score and your interview to say, okay,
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  Speaker 3: these people have been high enough score to get made detective.
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  Speaker 3: And then you do like a month's worth of training
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  Speaker 3: back at the police academy. Because being a detective versus
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  Speaker 3: a patrolman, it's very, very different. First of all, you
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  Speaker 3: don't wear a uniform, which is my favorite part. But
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  Speaker 3: it's just a completely different job. Like you're now responsible.
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  Speaker 3: Cop gets a call. They go to the call. They
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  Speaker 3: write a report. And that's the end of it until
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  Speaker 3: they have to go to court. if the report that
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  Speaker 3: the cop writes about it gets assigned to a detective
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  Speaker 3: and now you own that like so you have to
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  Speaker 3: follow through you have to follow up and go to
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  Speaker 3: court or take out criminal charges or whatever so it's
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  Speaker 3: it's a very different job is.
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  Speaker 1: There a lot of lobbying to become a detective like
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  Speaker 1: whenever you're like on the force or people like I
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  Speaker 1: want to be detective and And then do people, is
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  Speaker 1: there any way to manipulate things so it betters your
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  Speaker 1: chances of becoming a detective or is it not like that?
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  Speaker 2: Not like that.
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  Speaker 3: So everyone, if anyone's a patrolman, doesn't want to be
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  Speaker 3: a patrolman for long. I was a patrolman for 13 years,
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  Speaker 3: which was a long time. We had, usually they do
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  Speaker 3: the detective's exam every two or three years. And for
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  Speaker 3: some reason we had a seven year break because I
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  Speaker 3: didn't take it. I just had a child and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, I'll take the next one in a couple
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  Speaker 3: of years. And it was seven years. So I was
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  Speaker 3: a patrolman for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: So It was seven years to the next promotion?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, until the next exam. So it was a long wait.
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  Speaker 3: But people want it just because it's better than being
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  Speaker 3: a patrolman. Some people love being a patrolman and will
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  Speaker 3: do that their entire life, but most people either want
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  Speaker 3: to take an exam and become a supervisor, like a sergeant,
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  Speaker 3: a lieutenant, and keep kind of going up the chain,
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  Speaker 3: or people are interested in being a detective.
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  Speaker 2: So it's definitely desirable. Do you remember.
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  Speaker 1: An early case as a detective that really kind of
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  Speaker 1: stood out to you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a good armed robbery. months. Um, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that sounds like an oxymoron, a.
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  Speaker 1: Good arm robbery.
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  Speaker 3: It was on Halloween, uh, which is always one of
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  Speaker 3: the worst days of the year to work. Fourth of July,
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  Speaker 3: Halloween sucks. They're always crazy, but we had an arm
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  Speaker 3: robbery of a, it was a cell phone store in
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  Speaker 3: the morning.
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  Speaker 2: It was in the morning. It was like nine 30
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  Speaker 2: in the morning.
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  Speaker 3: The store just opened up and these two dudes went
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  Speaker 3: in and there was some girl where a young girl,
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  Speaker 3: early twenties working there by herself.
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  Speaker 2: It was in a shitty part of town.
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  Speaker 3: And they literally tied her up with like telephone cord
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  Speaker 3: around her wrists and her ankles. And they stole, it
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  Speaker 3: was like 800 bucks or $ 785, whatever it was. But
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  Speaker 3: the feds ended up taking it because it was T-Mobile.
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  Speaker 3: And they can kind of loop in the Commerce Act,
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  Speaker 3: like by saying it because commerce was halted with other states,
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  Speaker 3: it becomes like a federal case. But the guys ran off,
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  Speaker 3: and the girl, it was like something out of a movie.
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  Speaker 3: It was all on video. She literally hopped over to
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  Speaker 3: the phone, all tied up with her ankles. And they
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  Speaker 3: put a gun to her head and everything. It was
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  Speaker 3: two firearms. And she was terrified. And she hopped over
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  Speaker 3: to the phone and knocked it off with her head
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  Speaker 3: and was calling for help.
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  Speaker 1: At least she's in a phone store, though.
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  Speaker 3: But she was able to do that. And then it
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  Speaker 3: came in quick. So a couple of the guys from work,
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  Speaker 3: everyone got— I worked with the best people on earth
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  Speaker 3: in Dorchester. They really were great, great cops. And they
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  Speaker 3: just kind of flood the area right away. And the
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  Speaker 3: description's going out. And one of the officers is actually
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  Speaker 3: one of my police academy classmates ends up seeing these
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  Speaker 3: two guys walking down the street. And a description had
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  Speaker 3: been given out to clothing. They left like a trail
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  Speaker 3: of clothing down the street. They tried to drop everything
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  Speaker 3: and change their appearance.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to run and change at the same time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they were just kind of, yeah, walking down
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  Speaker 3: the street and really not, it's actually a little teeny,
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  Speaker 3: there's a nice neighborhood in this bad section of town.
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  Speaker 3: So they kind of stuck out. But then he sees
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  Speaker 3: the trail of clothing, jackets and hats and shit left behind.
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  Speaker 2: So he called it in.
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  Speaker 3: These guys, one of them had on gloves, but the
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  Speaker 3: other one had band-aids and tape around his fingers so
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  Speaker 3: he wouldn't leave any fingerprints. And as the guys, everyone
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  Speaker 3: went up there, the patrolmen were talking to him, he
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  Speaker 3: notices them going, they're picking away to try to get the,
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  Speaker 3: the band-aids and tape off their hands. And then another
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  Speaker 3: officer in the area was searching. She's looking in trash
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  Speaker 3: cans and she found the guns. And then someone found
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  Speaker 3: the box, the money box. So it was, uh, that,
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  Speaker 3: that was a, that was a pretty good one.
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  Speaker 1: It was an exciting one. Yeah.
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: It was just, it came together nicely. Everyone worked like
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: did so well together. Everyone was like, everyone was there
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: at the right time to do the right thing. And
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: then the feds took it and they had, they had
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: serious criminal records, both of them, one of them been
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: doing armed robberies all over the city. It was like
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: the same guy hit like five or six places. So
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: we were glad to get him. They got, because it
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: was federal, they got like 20-something years each. One of
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: their brothers was a truck driver, and that's how they
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: got the guns. He was a cross-country truck driver, and
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: he bought guns in Arizona and then brought them back here.
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: So that's what made it federal is that there were
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: transporting guns across state lines?
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: I think they didn't end up prosecuting him because he
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: basically testified against his brother.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: But what made it such a big– what made the
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: sentencing so severe?
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: Because they were– the way the feds do it in
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: federal court is they basically add up– it's a point system.
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: And depending on how many charges or cases, how many
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: times you've been found guilty, then you're considered an armed
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: career criminal and you get extra time added on.
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, I got it.
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: But yeah, for 785 bucks, they went to jail for
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: like 20-something years each.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: It was crazy.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: It's idiots.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Pretty much. And that poor girl was terrified. I
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: always felt bad for her.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, that would be so scary, dude. I don't
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: know what I would do if someone did something like that.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: She didn't even want to identify them.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: We were trying to do like a, we'd do a
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: bring back or show up your bring because we brought
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: them to say, have her identify them. And she was
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: like hiding behind the blinds in the store. Usually they'll
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: have them like, go out on the sidewalk and the
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: person will look through her car window, but she was
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: literally hiding.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: She was absolutely terrified. She's crying and everything.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: How important are fingerprints? Is that a real thing? How
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: important is that when you were a detective?
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: That's a real thing because everyone's are different. If you
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: get found at a scene, whether it's a break-in or
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: a robbery or something like that, and they find your fingerprints,
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: what other excuse do you have for being there? It's
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: a pretty good especially now people like in court, when
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: cases go to court, they don't want witness identification. They want,
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: because all the CSI shows, they think we all have
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: this bags of evidence to show when it comes to court.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: So juries want to see forensics. They want fingerprints. They
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: want like cell phone records. They want DNA left behind
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: because of the TV shows makes it look like that's
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: left at every scene. But these guys covered their fingerprints.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: They had masks on, like they put, you know, bandanas
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: around their face. But the girl identified them from the clothes.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: One of them didn't have a mask on, but so
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: fingerprints are definitely very important.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: And what's the process of actually lifting fingerprints? What is that?
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: And you hear the term lifting fingerprints.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: So different surfaces use different tools. Like this surface, the
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: grain of the wood would be no good. You need
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: like a smooth surface. Like they train us on like granite,
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: like countertops.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Granite's nice.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: It's very smooth. It's shiny.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: So if someone leaves a fingerprint, you have, or whether
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: you have dry or oily hands, you're leaving oil behind
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: and you could take your powder and you spin the
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: little powder on like a smooth surface and literally the
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: fingerprint pops. And then you just take this kind of
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: clear square of like sticky tape and then like press
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: it down and then lift it up so it transfers onto,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: the outline transfers onto.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Can there be fingerprints in a place, like could you
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: look at a counter or something and see nothing and
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: there could actually be fingerprints there?
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can kind of, if you use a flashlight,
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: sometimes you can see it if it's a clean surface.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: If it's like a shithole house or filled like, Bank robberies,
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: we don't do fingerprints because so many people go up
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: to every teller. Like even if a bank robber comes
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: in and puts his hands down, there's 10,000 other fingerprints
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: there from the people that came before you. So we
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: don't bother with something like that because you have to
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: be able to show it's a suspect. So they won't
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: put it into the system to see who it even
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: belongs to.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Could a surface be so dirty that then the print
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: itself actually makes it clean in that You know what
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I'm saying?
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, on dirty windows, we get those on a break-in
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: when they push up a window and leave them behind.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: And you can literally see them because you can see
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: sometimes they'll smear the dirt. Sometimes it's so dirty, though,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: the dust won't adhere to it.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Got it. What's a person who picks up the fingerprints?
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: What do they call that person?
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Well, we do it. Detectives do it.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, detectives do it.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: They do it in Boston, yeah. Some in other places
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: like the crime scene tech will come out. and other departments,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: but we do it ourselves. Unless it's like a major incident,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: like a homicide, then the homicide unit will call the
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: forensic unit.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Those are civilians.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: They're not police officers, but they have gone to school
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: for that. So if it's like a major, like I said,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: a homicide, they'll call in the crime scene techs to
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: do it.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: They don't want to mess with us.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: And you ever have a day where it's just busy
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, shit, I got to get to
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: my kid's birthday or whatever, and I'm going to fucking just...
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: We'll hope for the best of this when you take off.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it sucks.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Your shift ends at 4 o'clock if you work days,
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: and at 345, a person's stabbed.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: All right, I won't be home until midnight.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, so you stay around. You stay. You stay. Oh, yeah.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I was saying like if you ever had a thing
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: where it's like, I got to get out of here.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Instead of dusting for these fingerprints, I'm going to hit
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: the road.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: You can't do that.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: You can't.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: No. It's on you. It's your case.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: If you're on call, we call it catch day in Boston.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: But detectives like certain squads are in charge of all
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: those calls that day. So five things could come in.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: We could get a shooting, a stabbing, an armed robbery. and,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: you know, missing person, and they're all assigned to you.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: But it's not that busy, but it can be. You
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: might have a day, like, you don't even go pee,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: you don't even eat lunch. I mean, it's few and
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: far between, but it definitely happens.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Wow, so you're just cruising like that. Yeah. You mentioned
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: television a little bit ago. How much has television and
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: what people think and expect, how much has that affected, like,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: the prosecution of cases?
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Ruined it, absolutely destroyed it, yeah. Really?
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Because everyone has such high expectations. If they watch, you know,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: CSI Miami or whatever the hell it is. And see,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: they solve everything instantly, and they have cooperative witnesses, or
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: they have all these piles of evidence. And like I said,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: because of that, people in regular juries and regular court
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: cases expect, oh, they literally come back with notes saying,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: why don't you have fingerprints? Why don't you have DNA? Like,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: why don't you have that? Well, not every case has that.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Like I said, a bank robbery comes in. They don't
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: touch the counter. We have no DNA. We have no fingerprints.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: You have no semen either, surely. We have to go on.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Eyewitness identification and video. now everywhere. Video's huge. Video's a
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: huge help.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: But it's definitely the shows have been a detriment to
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: prosecuting cases for sure.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: So you think the shows have made it harder to
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: prosecute cases?
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, because people have higher expectations. The juries do.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: The juries do. And they're like, oh, there's not enough here.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, they'll be like. You don't have anything.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Where is everything? He's like, well, we've got the video
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: and we've got this and that.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, no. So it's tricky, yeah. It's not been
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: our friend.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: It's fascinating. Yeah, it's fascinating because it kind of glorifies
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: the sport of being a detective, but at the same time.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Ruined it.
• 20:26
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• 20:28
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  Speaker 1: like the show's The First 48, right? And my friend
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  Speaker 1: Chris D'Elia, he's a comedian. He has this great joke.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: He's like, The first 48, and I'm paraphrasing, he's like,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the first 48, it's like these detectives have 48 hours
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: to solve the crime, but really they have as much
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: time as they want.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they do. We do.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you're waiting on video. Obviously, if you don't have
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: a suspect right away. But if you work at it,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: sometimes the evidence is out there. You just have to
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: find it. It might not slap you in the face
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: 10 minutes after the incident.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: But do you really only have 48 hours? No.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: You have all the time you need. God. Except it
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: gets busy.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: And if I have three cases that day, and if
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: I got to work on it, and then two days
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: from now, I get another big one, like a shooting
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: or a stabbing or whatever, now your attention is split.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Right. Time is of the essence because something else is
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: always going to happen.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: It's going to happen.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Something's coming.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: And whether you have a leisurely amount of time to
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: work on the case, like then you're working overtime. Then
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: you're working a double to try to stay and work
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: on this case because another one could come in tomorrow.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: So it is– this point to it, like the 40
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: hours are important. But I think more so because something
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: else is coming. So it's going to take the attention away.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: And then you can only be in so many places
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: at once.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? You can't– God.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I never thought about that part of it. How
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: do you prioritize what cases are most important?
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, like if someone gets shot or stabbed,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: like that's a violent crime and you want that person
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: who– it's more defendant-based. Like the kind of person that's
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: going to do that, you want them– Off the streets.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Right, understood.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: And if– compared to– You know, identity fraud, well, that's
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: not an emergency. That can wait.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: So those kind of like, because we get a ton
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: of fraud. Check fraud and all that shit, bank fraud,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: it's a nightmare. Because a lot of the times it's
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: not even taking place. We have our victims in our city,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: but suspects are all over the country or all over
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: the world. So you can't prosecute them. So it's hard
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: to chase down. So those are kind of. To the victim,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: it's not a lower priority. They're the one that had
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: their money stolen or whatever.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Of course. But it's not the same as being shot
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: or stabbed.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Or having a criminal that's out there.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, violent armed robbery or something like that.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: You've got to find this guy now because obviously they're
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: in heat for crime.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Wow. So are there days when you kind of get
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: to the end of your shift almost and you look
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, my God, there's still that one
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: missing person I didn't reach out about. There's still this
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: one thing.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's always a pile.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: And now I have to go do that. Yeah.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: You very rarely get to go home at the end
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: of your– of your shift. You're always staying.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: And what's that effect like on your home life? Like,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: were you able to have kind of a home life? Like,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: what was that like for you?
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it makes it trickier for sure. You
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: need help at home. It definitely makes it more difficult.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: And were you able to have a family except do
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: you have children?
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Nice. Oh, your daughter's here.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: My daughter's here.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, nice. I forgot.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't forget, but I think I just didn't know
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: if she wanted to say it or not, maybe too, so. Yeah,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: so how do you manage that?
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: It's tricky. It was difficult.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to lie. It was hard, yeah. Because
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: you're expected to come home.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: I get you to help them with some project or
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: just got to make supper. And you have to call
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: and be like, I'm not going to make it. Someone
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: got stabbed or I got to stay late. A lot
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: of times you know you're going to be like, okay,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: those days I know I can stay late because I
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: have coverage.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: With the kids or whatever.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: But it's not easy.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: But at least you had a good excuse. Yeah.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I wasn't getting my nails done or getting shit-faced.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm getting my nails done or I'm getting, yeah.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I'm working.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. At least it wasn't like, yeah, I'm drinking or
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: something or Uglis is on third base. I can't, you know. Yeah, exactly.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be home on time.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Do you start to see where family life suffers? Do
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: you see it like, you know, because that's also a
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: common theme in a lot of like police serial programming
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: and films and stuff. where the detective is working late
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: and then there's the family thing starts to suffer, you know?
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure it did. But like I said,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: you kind of figure it out. You make it work.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: You do what you can.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Like I was a detective in a busy part of
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: the city. That's why I transferred to the human trafficking
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: unit because that was like a Monday through Friday job,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: not a rotating schedule because I worked holidays.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: We worked every Christmas. You got a holiday off every
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: six years. But you'd get all the holidays off that year.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: So that year you're getting, you know, excuse me, you're
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: getting Easter holidays. Excuse me, please. Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: You'll get all the biggies off. But then it's six
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: more years until you get another one.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: So I went to human trafficking.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Drink some water real quick. You're good.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Horrific.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Sorry, miss. I don't want to tell you what to
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: do or anything. Thank you for your service. That's what
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's six. Wow. That's wild. So that
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: time you get to spend with your family, it's really crucial.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially holidays.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: But if you're working different shifts, if you're working the
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: midnight shift, you can kind of go home and sleep
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: for a couple hours and then meet everybody at Thanksgiving.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: So that's how Boston worked. Obviously, different cities do different things.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: We just had six squads rotating days off. But some units,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: like the human trafficking unit, is Monday through Friday. So
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: it's a little more normal if you have young kids
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: or a family and you want to be a regular person,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: as I call it, and have Saturday and Sunday off
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: like everybody else. Those units are better for something like that.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Got it. And I know you ended up in that unit.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about that in just
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: a second. Take me through a couple more detective calls
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: that were interesting to you or that really stood out.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Um, I'd say I always, my joke was always going
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: to be, there's going to write a book and the
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: name of it was going to be on the sidewalk
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: and other stories from the street. The last few, the
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: last few years I was a detective. I got like
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: three of the craziest cases of my life. The after
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: 30 and year 31. Um, We had some guy cut
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: off his own dick and threw it on the sidewalk.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, for what?
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Because he was crazy. He was mentally ill. But we
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: don't know any of this. So the call came in
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: in the morning.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: I was on the way in. It was early in
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: the morning. It was cold out. I remember that.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I have the radio on.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: And I hit the dispatcher, call a car, and then
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: start to laugh. And then she says, disregard. We don't
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: know what's happened. So I'm driving to the station. And
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: then a call comes in again sending a different car
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: because it was like the midnight shift ending. sending a
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: different car, hey, can you go to this location? Someone
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: said there's a piece of male anatomy on the sidewalk.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: And we were all laughing. We thought it was a dildo.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: We thought it was a joke. That's why the dispatcher
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: was laughing.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: He just thought it was like a WNBA game or whatever.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: It wasn't green.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Call comes in like 10 minutes later, and my detective
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: that I was working with at the time looked it
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: up on the computer to see the text of the call.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Like, what does this actually say?
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: And then we saw that the caller was from a
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: nearby health center And it said, you know, it appears
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: to be a penis on the ground. There's blood everywhere.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: We're like, oh, shit, that's not fake. So the patrolmen.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Go up there.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: And so that's our starting point. We don't know anything else.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: And literally there it is. I wasn't there yet. The
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: patrolmen see it on the sidewalk. And there's a blood trail.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: So they start following the blood trail. And it went
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: a long way, several hundred yards. And it gets worse
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: and worse. So that's how it starts. So that's our
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: starting point. And the patrolmen follow the blood trail. And
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: then they're following it up the stairs of this three-family house.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: It's like three apartments, one house. And the blood gets
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: bigger and bigger. They knock on the door. This guy
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: opens the door completely naked, a hole where his dick
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: used to be. And he's just standing there, not talking.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: And they're like, Hey, buddy, you okay? And he's just like,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: he doesn't speak. He just stares at them. So they
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: were newer guys. I felt so bad for them. That's
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: a tough call. They weren't brand new, obviously, but that's
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: a lot for young guys to.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: See this, right?
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, just see some cock down the street or whatever.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: They're like, hey, why don't you come in and sit down?
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: And it turns out it was like a group home.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: for mentally ill people, but there was no staff members
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: or anything. This is three people in the house. It
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: is a bloodbath. There's blood everywhere in the bedroom, the floor,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: the sink was full of it. So they find that
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: and they get on the radio and they're like, get
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: us an ambulance, whatever. Cause we don't know how does
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: someone alive, right? So he's alive. So I got called
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: and me and another detective, my boss went down and
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: it's on the sidewalk and they're taking photographs or whatever.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: And they call, once the ambulance finds out he's alive,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: they just assume somebody had bled out somewhere and was
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: dead or someone did it to somebody else.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: He's like, no, I did it. Like, oh shit, okay.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: So he's being honest?
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's just completely and utterly mentally ill. At
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: some other point, he'd like cut off his own nipples.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: He said to let the devil out. So the poor
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: thing was very mentally ill. He was young, early 20s.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: So once the EMTs find out this person's alive, now
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: they want to try to collect it. to see if
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: they can reattach it at the hospital. So we had
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: done our photos. I actually have a video of this
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: whole thing. I pulled video from the street, nearby surveillance video.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: That's how I know kind of everything after the fact.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: They come down to reattach it, and we had just
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: done the photos. I didn't look directly at it.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I can do.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, you never stare into it.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: I know that. You do like a weird blurring. It's
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: almost like when someone blurs out somebody's face, and that's
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: what your brain does. You're like, I don't want to
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: see that.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to see all of it.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: It was big. It was nasty. So... They try to
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: come down to take it off the sidewalk. He goes
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: to pick it up.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: And what are they using, a spatula or whatever?
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: No, he had gloves on. He was using his hand.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: And he had this weird clear cylinder. He was an EMT.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: He had this cylinder thing he was going to.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Put in it. Remember at the bank you would put
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: that check in the thing and send it back up there?
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Literally like that. So he goes to pick it up,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: and it's been so cold. He's tugging it, and it
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: was frozen to the sidewalk.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: No way. Like that guy from Christmas Story. Bring that up.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Like his tongue. That's what happened to the poor guy.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Bring that up real quick because people forget that that
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: can happen. Oh, yeah. And let's get– just to give
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: us a descriptive visual, what kind of– wiener are we
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: talking about? And if you're wieners, I don't know if
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: it's still, what kind of, uh, what kind of wiener sod, like,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: cause that's just a sod walk wiener. What kind of
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: wiener are we talking about?
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: It's big. It was, it was big and it looked purple. Ooh. Yeah.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: It was, it was a black guy and it almost
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: looked purple, but he went to tug it.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: And because it froze, he gave it a second tug.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: And then like, he didn't let go of it. It
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: like went in the air and this thing came out.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it was urethra. I don't know
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: what the fuck it was. I, compared later to like
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: a balloon streamer came like flying out the end.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's some party confetti, baby.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: And I just turned and dry heaved into the street.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: I've never thrown up at the job. I've never done it.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I dry heaved into the street. I was like, what
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: the fuck?
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: And some young patrolman who was there, and this is
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: all on video, he's in his uniform, and he does
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: this little kicky, uncomfortable dance because he's like, oh, my God,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: that was horrific.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, he couldn't handle it like that?
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: No, exactly.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: And then later I pulled the video from the street.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: We're like, how did this get there? How did this
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: guy get back to the house? He had cut it
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: off several hours before in the house, walked down the street,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: and he's completely naked. Nobody called police. This is the
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: best part. There's people going to work. It's like 3
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: or 4 in the morning. Busy, busy street. Driving down
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: the street. He's completely naked.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: No one called 911.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: And he's walking down the street, and I have a
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: video of it.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: He leans over. He cut it, but it wasn't off altogether.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: So he leans down.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Wow, bro.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: That's that Memphis.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Tugs it, and then threw it on the sidewalk. No.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Oh. Tugs. So tell me that part again. He what?
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: So he, so I'm watching this.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: So he leans. Tell me that part again.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: So I'm watching the video and try to find him.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Like what time did this happen? And you just see
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: this form.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: It's dark. And he's completely naked walking down the street.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: And all of a sudden he leans over. I'm like,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: what's he doing?
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: And he's in the direction. It's kind of from the
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: side direction of his crotch. You see his heart move
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: like a tug. And then he just fucking threw it.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: And I, I remember when I pulled the video, I
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: didn't know this had happened. I watched it and I,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: pushed my chair back from the desk and screamed. I
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: was like, what the fuck? The worst part is he came.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: So if you could believe something's worse, he came back
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: about a half an hour later. He walked like a mile.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: They said that's what saved him. Why he didn't bleed
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: to death. It was so cold. It coagulated the blood.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: So he didn't bleed to death. He came back and
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: he's walking down the street. And as he sees it,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: he walks over to it and gets down on all
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: fours and leaned over and kissed it.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Nuh-uh.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: And then got up and walked away. I thought he
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: was going to eat it like a dog bone, honest
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: to God. I was like, what is happening?
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: What is happening? He bent down, gave it a smooch,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: and got up and walked home. Oh, God. It was
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: fucking crazy.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: The poor bastard.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you, because I've got to go through
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: a couple of beats of that story. And dear God,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: let me just say that out loud so God knows
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: that we're just. alarmed by this yeah um first of
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: all the fact that he cut it and it was.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Just hanging there he didn't do the job.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Just like a piece of memphis mistletoe just hanging there
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: that's so wild yeah it was nuts like mistletoe at
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: a ditty party or something dude and then he hugged
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: it off i can't even imagine because you've read like
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: a little hangnail when you pull it off.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Kills and this is like there's a lot of nerve.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Endings oh that's the ultimate hangnail yeah That.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Should be the name of my chapter, not * *
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: * * on the sidewalk, the ultimate hangnail.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: That's the most hangiest nail that there is. When you
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: said that, it got so visceral, I think, for me,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure for anybody listening.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Most men get the same reaction when you tell them.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: And then I wonder what flew out of it. Pull
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: that up on perplexity, because I'm thinking that's just a
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: little— You.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Know what it looked like in the photo when I
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: saw it come out? You know what sausage casing looks
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: like before there's a sausage in it? It's almost like skinny,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: opaque kind of almost— I don't know how else to
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: describe it. It's like kind of gray and translucent. It
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: was like a little smaller than my pinky, and this
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: thing just flew out. I just could not even.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just a little wiener funfetti, homie. Let's look at. No,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: give me a gander at it, man. I'm trying to
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: get a gander. Yeah, just look at the. But let's
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: look at the parts here because it's fascinating to know
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: what is that.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what the fuck it was.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: That's a vagina. No, that's a wiener. Oh, come on, man.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: These days you can't tell. The other day my buddy
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: showed me a picture of his naked wife. She has
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: a wiener. And I was like, all right, well, that's
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: a surprise.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it's a urethra. Yes, because see, the urethral
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: opening goes down to the end. That's what it was.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: God, boy.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was dicey. It was a dicey.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: And I remember when we got the call and I
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: remember standing over it. Thinking like, where did I go
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: wrong in my fucking life that it's 7.45 in the
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: morning and I'm looking at someone's dick on the goddamn sidewalk?
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I was like, what did I do? What did I
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: do to deserve this?
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: It's a question as old as time. It really is.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Poor bastard.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of women have asked themselves things
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: like that overall. No shit. And in hindsight, how does
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: that even follow up? Do you guys keep that in evidence?
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Well, no, they tried to reattach it at the hospital.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: So they rushed him to the hospital with it and
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: they did attach it, but it didn't take.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: It was like a month later they had to like
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: take it off. Yeah.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Imagine that month. Oh, my God.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: So it's funny because of the group home, we were
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: trying to find out what is this kid's story?
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: What's his name? Because the other kid in the house
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: was not with it at all. Couldn't even. He was
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: just sitting there playing video games.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: It was like a bloodbath. So we're like.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: It's hard to get the kids off the games. Right.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: But these guys, they're like 20. So I call the
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: supervisor of the group home. And I was trying to
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: get some information.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: He's like, oh, him.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: We're trying to find him an in-house in a placement
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: in a hospital or a psych ward because he's, you know,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: he's been exposing his peanuts in group classes or whatever
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: in group meetings.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: And I said, well, you're late. You're a little late
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: because he cut it off and threw it on the
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: side with the guys. Like what?
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Like you could tell he shit himself because that's his.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: How is someone supposed to be supervising?
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, obviously somebody's supposed to be there.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Someone failed.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Making sure at the very least someone's not lopping off
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: their own wiener. And I just can't, I can't even
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: imagine the month wait to know if it's going to
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: take or not, you know?
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think he cared. But still, he was obviously crazy.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: I know that's not the technical.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: You don't think he cared why?
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, he cut off to begin with. He said
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: he was letting the devil out. Like, he's just extremely
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: mentally ill, and I don't think he.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Even— Kind of. I mean, I think there's a part
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: of a lot of people that think the devil lives
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: inside of their genitalia for some people.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I said, he cut his nipples off. He, like,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: carved something in his forehead.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Like, this poor kid was really messed up.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking that people go through so much. And I
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: just— I can't imagine that month where you're waiting to see, right? Like,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: the bandages on.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine doing it.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Like how do you sit.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: There and saw it off? And he didn't.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Did he use a saw?
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: No, it's just a big long kitchen knife. But you know,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: it was dull as dishwater. It was in some shitty
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: group home. It's not some nice Henkel's knife.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I'm sure.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not like Hanzo's scissors.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: It was like some plastic handled shitty kitchen knife. It
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: was like this long.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: You got to see the knife?
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were up in the apartment.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Was it a basic knife you get if you made
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: your kids dinner and you give them a knife for
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: your husband's dinner?
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: No, not a steak knife, like a little bit longer.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: It would come in your knife block for carving or whatever.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Serrated or whatever?
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: I don't remember that. I don't think.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: It was serrated. I hope it was. Otherwise.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Serrated might be more jagged.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: But I think you would get it done pretty quicker.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we can.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: God only knows how long he was working at it.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: The whole bedroom, so the kid I was working with,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: thank God he had been in the crime scene unit.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: So he would go into scenes all the time. He
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: put on Tyvek's suit to go in because there's so
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: much blood. We'd go stepping through it.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, the wiener holds a lot, baby. That's the Lord Spigot.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: The Lord of Lots that day.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: God, boy, definitely.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: God.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: And who was the other kid? Just some honky sitting
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: there playing Double Dragon or something?
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: He was sitting there.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: It was like a grown man with his legs crossed.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: So you know that's weird, the crisscross applesauce scene. He's
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: sitting there like trying to, we were talking like, hey,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: do you know what happened? He's just like trying to
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: look past us because we're in the way of his game.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: To play the game?
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: All right, this guy ain't, this guy's not going to help.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: What game was it?
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Do you remember at all? I don't know. I was
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: concentrating on other shit. Wow. Yeah, he's literally just trying
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: to look around us.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I bet it was one player. They didn't have a
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: lot of two-player games at that time.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. But the worst, imagine you're waiting. They
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: wrap your wiener. They do the repackaging. And I bet
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: at that point, it's almost like the Masked Singer. You're
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: just waiting. They take it off. And you're seeing like, okay,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: what do we have here? Did this work? Yeah.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: What's the result?
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Do we have a Shaquille O'Neal here? Do we
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: have a Muggsy Bogues here? I think you're just waiting
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: to see.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: What are you going to end up with?
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, that must have been horrible. The big reveal, you know?
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: And they're like, move that bus.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: And then the bus takes off and your cock doesn't work, dude.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: That's the freaking worst. God. I hate that.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: That was a day. I hate that.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's harrowing.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: That's harrowing. And it's cold. Was it so cold outside?
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Was it hard to stand outside? Was it that cold?
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: We weren't outside that long once we took the photos
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: and when the EMT came down and collected it. There
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: wasn't else much to do at that scene. So then
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: we went up to the house and it wasn't cold
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: in there. We were outside for maybe.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: An hour, 45 minutes. I don't even remember. Because the-
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like 20 below.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: But it was chilly, right?
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was cold.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: But the part for me, I think that'd be the
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: wildest is say you are- You know, you're so cold,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: you run out there, you're looking at the cock, and
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: then it gets too cold, you got to run back
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: into your car.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: And warm up.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: No, there was no running back to get warm. And
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: you're like texting, like, all right, let's meet out there
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: again in 30 seconds. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: you're having to battle the cold so much.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: No, not at that case.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: You're like, oh, yes, yes.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: It's a black cock, and you have to go sit
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: back in your car. Like, that's the part that would get,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: you know, having to build up the, just to stay
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: warm out there.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: God. God.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: That's insane.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was fucking crazy. And it is.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: And that's the kind of shit. It's like, you know,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: you're sitting there and then you're watching your kiddo blow
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: out some birthday.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Candles or something. You go from that to something else. Oh,
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: that was a day.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We went out for drinks after work that day.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: We're going out tonight.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I have a black and tan. That's what I'm saying, dude.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I love some Johnny walk out. Yeah. Um, there was
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: another story to pivot. I know that you had mentioned whenever, uh,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Our producer, Nick, had reached out to you. And thank
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: you so much for coming.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I want to say thank you so much. You look
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: lovely today, too. Thank you. It's a really great outfit.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Who chose it? You did?
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You did a great job.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: There was a story you talked about finding someone who
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: left a child.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Someone put a baby in a trash can. And I
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: preface this right away by saying the baby lived. The
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: baby was fine.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: But that call came in for patrolmen. There was like
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: a senior housing in our district. And there was a
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: gentleman who lived there, an elderly man. And he had
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: someone who used to come and clean his house for him.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: And he called 911 because he said someone just had
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: a baby in his house and then left with it
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: in a bag and.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: It was crying. So.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: The patrolman goes to the call, and he goes up
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: and talks to him. The apartment is pristine. There's no
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: sign of a baby being born. He said she was
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: in the bathroom. He's like, nothing happened here.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Nobody had a baby in here.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: So he called.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: The officer called an ambulance for a psyche valve, saying,
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: is this guy the old man? Something's wrong. Or he
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: maybe has dementia. I just wanted to check on him,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: make sure he's OK. So as the ambulance is pulling up, again,
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: I have this on video. That's how I remember the sequence.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: The ambulance pulls up and pulls in, there was like
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: a horseshoe driveway, and they pull in the driveway. And
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: just as they're doing that, a girl is walking down
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: the street, maybe 50, 60 feet away, maybe a little
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: more from the apartment.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: And it's a very busy street in Dorchester. It's Dorchester Ave.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: And she's walking down the street and there's a rotting
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: trash can in the street. And she walks by and
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: she hears something. She thought it was like someone put
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: puppies or something in the trash. She hears something crying.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: She sees the ambulance, goes running over and waves them
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: down and says, I think there's a baby or something
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: in the trash can.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: So the EMT comes walking down the street. You could
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: tell he thinks she's full of shit by the way
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: he's walking. There's no urgency.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Everybody in this neighborhood is full of shit.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: There's no urgency to his gate. He's just like, okay,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: because they inundated with calls. They are buried all day long.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: He's like, all right, we're here for this, but okay.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: He goes walking over and he goes in.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: The typical haunted trash can in Dorchester.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: He goes in and you can see his reaction. He
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: picks it out and then It's crazy activity. He puts
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: it on the... You could see... This was all in
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: the video, but you can't see exactly. You could see
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: insane movement. All of a sudden, he's on the air.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: And at the same time, the officer who was up
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: in the house said like, what's the ETA in my ambulance?
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: He never showed up.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: And at the same time, the girl had called 911
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: and said, there's a baby crying in a trash can.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: So this is all kind of happening at once. So
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: then we all go flying up there when they're like, yeah,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: there's a baby. We don't have a mother. We don't
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: know what's going on.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: The woman.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: I spoke to the gentleman in the house. He said
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: it was his cleaning woman. He had a different name
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: for her that wasn't her real name because we're trying
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: to track her down. Like, is she bleeding out somewhere?
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Is she hurt? Does she need help? Like, what is
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: the story?
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she just had a child maybe.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: So he said she was in the bathroom for a
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: couple hours. He thought she had stomach problems.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: And then she asked him, do you have a pair
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: of scissors? And then she asked him for a bag.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: And then, because I interviewed him, me and my partner,
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: and he walks, he said she walked out of the
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: bathroom and And she had like a big tote bag
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: with her, like her purse. And the baby was in
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: the bag and he could hear her crying.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: He's like, what's that? Is that a baby crying? She's like, oh,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: this is nothing.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: And then walked out the door or whatever. So that's crazy.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Then on the video, you can see her walking down
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: the street and there's people coming toward her. And there's
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: a gentleman passing her just as she gets to the
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: trash can. She waits for him. And as he goes past,
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: she looks around and pulls it out and goes right,
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: right in the trash can.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: So.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Turns out she had gone in there, had the baby.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: She was at a 30. She wasn't a kid. And
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: she wasn't not mentally ill. She just didn't plan on
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: keeping the baby. She had the baby. How alone, I
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: do not know. And then cleaned the bathroom.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: That's why it was so pristine.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: When people think of women, like that's the power. I mean, women,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: it's just like.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: How she did that, I do not know. She sat
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: in the tub and had a baby with no help.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Women are powerful, man. And then to clean up the bathroom.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Cleaned it up.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: But she also is a cleaning lady. I can understand,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: That's why it was so nice. But also she, I guess,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: has to hide her.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Did you determine that she's mentally unwell?
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: No, she was fine.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: She just didn't want the baby. But we don't know
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: any of this at the time. So all we have
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: is a phone number. She signed in on like the
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: log at the senior housing. And she put a phone
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: number down. And one of the patrolmen working at the scene,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: they blocked off the street. There were like helicopters overhead.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: This was like news.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: It was on the news.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: And one of the officers who was blocking the street,
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: the traffic, we all get the phone number. And he
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: starts looking through reports because he's sitting there blocking the street.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: He starts looking through reports because we don't have the
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: right name. That guy gave us the wrong name, like
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: the wrong age. He said she's a girl. She was
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: in her 30s. To him, she was a girl because.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: He's in his 80s.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: He's a pervert, too. I'm not judging him. I don't
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: know him.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: He said she's a good-looking girl, so maybe you're right.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: the officer, the patrolman starts looking through reports and finds
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: a phone number attached to a different name. So then
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: we start looking for, we find the driver's license. This, again,
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: all took like over an hour because there's a lot
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: going on and headquarters is calling and everybody's like, this
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: is huge, you know? So this kid finds the woman's
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: real name and phone number and they start pinging the phone.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: So it turned out after she put the baby in
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: the can, walked down the street and got on the trolley,
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: took the tea, back to like to Mattapan or the
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: train station and then got on a train or a
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: bus and went to her house in Milton. So we
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: knew what her address was while she's in transit. We're following,
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: they're following the ping and she's like moving through the city.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: And then my supervisor and a couple of detectives, at
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: least one, met her at the house with an ambulance.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: So like this lady, we don't know what's going on
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: with her. So they met her at the house and
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: said like, hey, you got to go to the hospital.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Are you okay? Like what's going on? They went in
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: the house.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: She like rented a small in-law or something in the house.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: They said there were no baby items. It was a
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: full-term baby.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: There was no... crib. There was no diapers. There was nothing.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: So she did not plan on keeping this baby. She
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: had no intentions of doing that. Obviously, she didn't have
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: a single thing in the house. But they took her
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: to the hospital. She was fine.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: They kept her in the hospital for a few days. But,
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, she literally tied the bag in a knot
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: like she tried to kill the baby.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: And that girl walking by saved it because it was
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: cold that day. She saved that. She saved that baby.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: That's unbelievable.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: They might never have been found. Like the city comes
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: and dumps those trash cans. That baby's gone.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: The odds that that girl happened to be walking by
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: and hear it.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: And do they repartner that child and that mother?
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Well, I think she tried to kill it. So I
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: don't know. The homicide unit came and took the case. Why?
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Got it.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: You know, the baby lived, but it's obviously a biggie.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: So they ended up taking it. It took four, like
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: four years to go through court. It was during COVID.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: I remember people wearing masks when it was on the news.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: But it took like four years to wind its way
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: through court. No jail time. I'm like, that's attempted murder.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: She tried to kill that baby. There's nothing wrong with her.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: She wasn't a scared 16 year old.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: She was just, her defense attorney tried to say that
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: it was cultural. And I'm like, Do people throw babies
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: in trash cans in her culture?
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Was it a black or Asian Mexican girl?
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: She was Haitian. She was from Haiti. Like, that's not cultural. Oh, shit,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: there she is.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Mother allegedly abandoned newborn in trash bin and door touches
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: charged with attempted murder.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Yep, that's her. She didn't serve any time.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: She got probation. Yeah, none of we weren't very happy
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because you just like the psychology of that
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: person that's out in the world. How could they value life?
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: She doesn't, at least not that life.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and how could you probably value one of the
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: most precious lives? Unless maybe there was some, I wonder
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: if it was an extreme circumstance of how she had
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: that child.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: We weren't told.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: We were in communication with the DA. They never told
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: us other than it being cultural. We're like, what the
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: fuck culture is that? That's not a culture anywhere.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Well, the media likes to make it easy.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think it took so long because court
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: cases were just dragging on because nobody worked during COVID
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: except us or whatever. Um, I think it's like everyone
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: just gets tired of it and wants to go away.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Crazy. Yeah.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, stuff like that's harrowing, you know,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you can, I don't think there's
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: a way to shed that skin. If you're a police
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: officer or a detective, even though it may seem superficial,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: like in some ways you can just move on and
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: finish your day. There's gotta be a part of you
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: inside of you that stores a lot of that Uncomfort
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: and like illness. It's got to be.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: I'd say you learn how to deal with it. I
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: dealt with things better years on my job than I
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: did when I was new.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: You know, stuff that used to upset me. You have to.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: It's your brain safety mechanism so you don't lose your
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: goddamn mind.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: You learn how to. that's why cops laugh at murder scenes.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: Like it's, it's, it's, it's tension release. We're not laughing
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: at a murder scene. Like people are trying to talk
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: and say, okay, a lot, everything's normal here.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Like when Brad White was in, he was.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: On the street and you're like, so, you know, what
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: are you going to get for lunch later? Like we,
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: we have to do something to distract, distract your brain
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: and you get better at it.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: That's, uh, this, this officer that we had in, um,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: who came in and was talking about, he worked in
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles and he talked about this one story where
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: he had A mother had called. Her son was going
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: to commit suicide. She was worried. And he gets there,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: and the mother comes out to greet him, tell him
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: what's going on. My son's inside. While they're outside talking,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: the son kind of steps into the doorway, behind a
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: screen door kind of, and takes his own life with
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: a shotgun.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, shit. Shotgun's messy, man.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: So then we're standing out here with the mother. So
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: he has to console the mother at the same time
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: and now go approach his situation.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: So you have to do many– you're like, oh, shit.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: I just saw someone blow their head off with a
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: shotgun and the mother's screaming and on the ground, I'm sure.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: But yet it's still like not a crime scene.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: But it's an active situation.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: It's an active scene.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: You have to lock it down and there's a lot.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: They're chaotic. Especially if you're alone. It's only one or
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: two of you and there's a lot going on.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: They're very chaotic.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't even imagine how things go from seeming
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: real and normal to absolutely surreal. Like in a moment,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: almost like you're in a movie or a video game.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I remember he said he walked into the, he had
• 53:41
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• 57:01
  Speaker 1: mentioned having a DA, what is that like? Do police
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: work better under certain mayoral and district attorney leadership? They do?
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: What's that whole relationship like? Break it down for me
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: what that's like.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Well, it you know, obviously things are very politically charged
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: right now, more so than they've been in the past,
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: I think, in my experience. So it depends on if
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: your mayor is supportive or not. Historically, I mean, I
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: had several mayors on in 31 years as a police officer,
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: and some are more supportive than others. And some DAs
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: get elected that are just like, oh, we're not going
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: to make vandalism is no longer a crime. Larceny is
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: no longer a crime. Shoplifting is no longer a crime. Well,
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: the people in the stores are still calling us when
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: someone's stealing $ 10, 000 worth of shit. But the DA is like,
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: Not prosecuting. So now that's why shit's locked up in
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: all these stores. It's the DAs who are like, you know,
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: whether it's the Soros DAs or whoever the fuck they
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: are that got elected that are softer on crime or whatever.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: That's your job as a district attorney to prosecute crimes.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: And those are state laws on the books. So if
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: those laws are still on the books, then why aren't
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: you prosecuting it? So that's why shit is locked up
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: in CVS. Because people can indiscriminately steal all over the country.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: They're not getting prosecuted.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: We had one guy.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: It was him and his brother doing it. They were
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: like two-man wrecking team. Every CVS and Walmart, Walgreens. We
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: added up just like one kid in one month.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: It was like $ 30, 000 worth of shit he stole. Now,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: how is Target or CVS recouping that? They're not. That's gone.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: But the DA doesn't care. So if you have a,
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: like right now, there's a good DA in Boston, I think,
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: and he's doing more to make, you know, working with
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: the officers as a team. Like we're on the same
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: team here. We're just trying to prosecute criminals and help victims.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: And if, you know, the DA is not supportive of that, like,
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: what about all those victims whose houses are getting broken
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: into or their properties vandalized?
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: And the DA is like, yeah, we're not going to
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: prosecute that crime anymore. What about the people whose shit's
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: getting stolen and ruined or whatever? Like, don't you care
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: about them?
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Right. And don't you care about how they feel then
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: about their city and about their country? Yeah. And then
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: you guys are the ones that have to deal with
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: it on the street level.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, everyone hates me.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Us. They take it out on you, but still, if
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: someone hates the mayor, they take it out on the police.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? It's like, and you guys
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: kind of can't probably speak up on it sometimes because
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: you're in a position where you're working under that regime.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: I think about that about the border too sometimes with like,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: you know, people illegally coming across the border. And then,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: People can have whatever thoughts they want about people coming over, right?
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: I think everybody needs to be legally documented that's here,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: however they figure that out. But the people whose opinion
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: matters most to me are the people who live, right?
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: What about the guy right there?
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: What about in the border town?
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Who's trying to put his kids to sleep at night
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: and they want to be able to feel safe just
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: because they bought a house somewhere.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: That there's not people running through their neighborhoods. whether those
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: people have good intentions or bad, but just with the fear.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: It should happen.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: The fear that it puts in their families.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. It's all quality of life stuff.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: It's all quality of life issues, and they don't seem
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: to get that because it doesn't bother them if they're
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: living in some, you know, multimillion-dollar house somewhere or a
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: nicer part of the city or state. It's not happening
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: around them. Like you said, the people in the border towns,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: they don't have a choice.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially if you– what about the guy who's worked
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: at CBS for 20 years and he loves it, right?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: And he loves seeing people come in and he loves like,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: that's something he knows some of the older people. He's
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: watched them get older and come in and get their medicine.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: He's watched one of them lose their spouse over the
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: years and now they come in alone. But he's like
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: a smile in their life once in a while when
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: they come in. And now he has to be a
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: deterrent to crime. They come in with trash bags. Oh,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: it's unbelievable.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: And literally just clear the shop. They go and sell
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: all their stolen shit at like the smaller bodegas and
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: convenience stores. So when they steal all the detergent and
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: you know, all that, they still, and baby formula, that's
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: been locked up for years.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: They go and sell it someplace else.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: And the bodegas is.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Buying it off them. They know it's stolen shit. So
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: they're a fault too.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But like, like I said, the employee, what about him? Like,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: he doesn't want to do that when he goes to work.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: He's not a cop.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: He doesn't want to do that.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: He's not a cop.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't want to chase people.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. They've made it so that almost
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: every person has to feel like a cop. And then
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: also that there's not a lot of support out there.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: And that's a sick thing. And our government does that
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: from the top down. And I believe that there is
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: a reason they do that. They want to erode a
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: sense of community. And they want to erode a sense
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: of normalcy. And they're doing it.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: You know? Who's the mayor that they have now over
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: there that's been supportive? Do you feel like, Kara?
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: We haven't had a supportive mayor. That's the DA, Kevin Hayden.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: He's supportive.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Our mayor, I don't- Okay, hey, boy, out of Newton, huh?
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: What's Newton like? Is it good over there?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: Newton's a very, very nice city outside. It's a different
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: city than Boston.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Down in Newton over there. I definitely caught some.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Newton's high end.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Newton is? Yeah.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's big money to live in Newton.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Fig Newton, they call it, huh?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: It's big money to live there.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, God, look at that. A bunch of people probably.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's from there. I think he lives in the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: city now. He's Suffolk County. He's not attached to the city.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: He's Suffolk County. But our prior DA was atrocious.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: I bet every kid over there has a signed Tom
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Brady football, huh? That's that kind of place.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: Well, he lived in Chestnut Hill, which is part of
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: Brookline and Newton. It's like all sandwiched right in that
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: neighborhood there. He lived in Chestnut Hill. Yeah, I bet
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: all those kids have that, dude.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how has the DA support been over the years?
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: So this is a district attorney now?
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's good.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Was he during your term?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: He was there when I retired, yeah.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: He was appointed by Charlie Baker, preceded by Rachel Rollins.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thumbs down on her.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, she was another district attorney?
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: And now, so she.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: She became a U.S. attorney under Biden, and then she was,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: I believe, fired from U.S. attorney with some ethics violation
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: or some such thing.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, Biden wouldn't hire anybody to sleep. You fucking dude.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: He would hire Fred Flintstone to fucking sing him to.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Bed at night. Well, someone on his staff thought she
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: was a good fit. Oh, I'm sorry. She resigned before
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: she was canned.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Rachel Wallens was not formally fired, but resigned from her
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: position in May 2023 following multiple ethics investigations. And yeah,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: and I don't know exactly what happened here, but what's
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: it like from one DA to another?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: How can a DA affect- Well, she's the one that
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: decided we weren't going to prosecute larcenies, shoplifting- vandalism, the
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: minor crimes. And she used to say those aren't right.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: Those aren't, I forget which, what verbiage was used. It
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: was like, they're not like not victimless crime, but they're
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: trying to say that.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: No, they're not.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: Even if it's CVS or Target, a big corporation, they're
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: still losing millions of dollars.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: It was her. She, she, she was one of the
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: ones that was not supportive.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: And do you think it's a DA in that space?
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Do you think she's making her own choices or do
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: you think that's coming down from a higher? Do you allegedly,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: do you think it's coming to, Because it just seems
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: crazy to say we're not going to prosecute crime. How
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: do you do that?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: It's fucking– It's a state law. How do you decide what.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: You're– During her campaign, Rollins pledged to decriminalize certain offenses
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: such as shoplifting, drug possession, wanton– oh, wanton or malicious destruction.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Wanton, malicious, yeah.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Or property. Drug possession was intended to distribute. What?
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: What? Yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: That's why Mass and Cass, you've heard of the part
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: of Boston, I don't know if you've heard of the
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: part of Boston called Mass and Cass. It is a
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: disaster down there. There's drug addicts everywhere. They're all over
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: the streets. They're destroying property. There's needles all over the
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: city and South End and that area. It was focused
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: there and now they've tried to kind of break it
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: up the last few years because it was insane.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now they've pushed it out. Yeah, there was 10
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: cities down there. Look at this shit.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, and some people say this is just
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: a bill.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: They have safe shoot-up zones there. They're letting them shoot
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: up heroin in safe places.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: So now the needles are all over the South End,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: and the poor people in the South End, they pay
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: a lot of money to live there. These are beautiful brownstones,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: and now there's people shitting in their front yards, throwing
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: needles everywhere, breaking them. Say one guy was breaking into
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: a house while people was under construction on the second floor.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: This was just a few weeks ago. And there's a
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: guy's family there with his kids. And they had like
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: an old key or something. And they were breaking in
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: and going to like shit in the floor on the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: second floor that was under construction. And he went up
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: and there's like a pile of human shit in his house.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: He's like, what is going on?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: They put up cameras.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: The guy was going in and out every night to
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: like sleep on the floor in this house under construction
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: and then shit on the floor.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: It's like the emoji or whatever.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like what is wrong with you?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: What?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: So that part of the city, I felt bad for
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: people who lived down there. That's Atkinson Street.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Where is it?
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: It's Atkinson Street. It's near the jail.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, look, a lot of people say this is
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: just a Bill's tailgate or something over here. I'm not
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: saying that. Some people say this is a Pinto tailgate.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. What we're saying is that this
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: is a lot of drug use that's happening over there
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: in this town in Boston.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: But here's another thing, though. They have this everywhere now.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's everywhere.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Every city has this.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Every democratically run city, I think. Yeah. I could be wrong.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Well, we don't have one here. I know that. I
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: hope not anyway. I don't know.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: Austin got ruined. Austin was a blast. And I took
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: my daughter there several years.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: I had been there 10 years ago. And I was like,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: this is the coolest place. Reminds me of here a
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: little bit, like 6th Street where all the bars used
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: to be. And then I went back a few years
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: later because my daughter's way into music.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: I wanted to take her.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: And she was afraid to get out of the car
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: because there were homeless people sleeping in hammocks strung from
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: street signs in the street.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: And it was just rampant. Before they, like, if you're homeless,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: you got arrested there. Yeah.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: Which isn't the best thing, but you got to do something. They're, like,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: throwing bricks through all the windows that have been there
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: a long time. Austin got ruined. Seattle's a shithole.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Portland. Portland. Yeah. Portland is– I don't have to sneeze,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: but Portland is a shithole, but also it's awesome. I
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: will say this.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: I was up there when I do landscape photography as
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: a hobby or used to, and I went up to
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: Oregon and Washington, and.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: It's the coolest place.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Portland is so cool.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: It's such a cool vibe.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I do think that element that's out there,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: it's like why are we– it's like.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know their endgame. Like what is the point
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: of ruining all these cities?
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: I think they want us to deteriorate. They want us
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: to have no sense of purpose, right? They want us
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: to like not have any pride in the places where
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: we are because they've been so riddled. They get people addicted.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: The opioid epidemic was put on America and was allowed
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: to occur, right? It wasn't like that when I was young. No.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: They want this to happen. It's no doubt to me
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: that this is an organized agenda.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't get it.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: But I believe that people can fight back and I
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: believe that– I think it.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: Started a little bit.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: I think so and I hope so. And also it
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: gives you a sense of purpose in the world. It's
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: like you're here to defeat evil, you know, and we
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: all can be a part of that. And I think
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: it's something that makes us feel that way. Let's pivot
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: a little. You ended up in the– oh, quick question.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see Irish Mickey Ward? Did you ever
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: run across him when you were running around over there?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Did you ever hear about him or anything?
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, his boxer.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I never ran across him.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: That's cool.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just watching The Fighter the other day.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: That's about him, right?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: About him, yeah.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: Wasn't he in it? Didn't he play the coach or
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: some shit?
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: Or something?
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: No. I thought they gave him a part in it.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: He was in it at the end.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: Christian Bale, Mark Wahlberg.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: That's when he got all skinny for it, yeah.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: Such a great movie. And all the sisters and stuff,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: they did such a great job in that film. I
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: got to go to watch Lanny Wilson last night.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, the concert. How was it?
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: I should have got y'all tickets. I didn't even know
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: we were here. Oh, no. Goodness, that's okay. It was
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: so great. It was so great. Jelly Roll was there,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: so I got to see him. Ella Langley, I got
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: to meet her. She has a beautiful voice. It was
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: just great. It was like a special time.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Lainey's just a boss. She's just turned into
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: like a... Some people start to step into whatever gift
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: they were given in the world, and some people kind of... uh,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: meander around the outside of it, I think. And, and
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: no way is, is like a Vic is better than
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: the other. Really. I think it's all by person, but
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: she is just really embraced this role of just being
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: like this onstage presence. Yeah. She, it was really powerful
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: to watch. She does a great job. Um, pivoting anyway, that's, uh,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: You ended up in the human trafficking unit.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Is that the safe term or how does that work?
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: So I was in a district detective at Dorchester and
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: then I went for several years, like five years or so,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: to the human trafficking unit and then I went back
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: to Dorchester. But yes, I had a five-year stint in
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: the human trafficking unit as a detective.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: So what is your definition of human trafficking? Let's just
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: get that clear because you hear so much, right? Like
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: a few years ago, you would hear this social kickball
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: that was big. This was big four years ago, and
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: everybody notices it's gone now, right? Notice how the kickballs fly.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, that's the big thing. Everybody's commenting on
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: it online, and now it's gone, right? It's really out
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: of the zeitgeist. I know there's still things happening, but
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: notice how that happens, right? And everybody's like, you'd see
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: memes online. It's like tonight while you sleep, one and
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: a half million children will be taken on trains across
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: America being human trafficked. And you're like, what in the shit, dude?
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: So what did you really see? What were you expecting
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: when you got into that space?
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: So I didn't know, like everybody else. I didn't really
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: know what that meant. I just, you know, I knew
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: someone asked me if I wanted to join the unit. And,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: you know, I didn't know a lot about it. I
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: thought it was just like the movies, like, you know,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: people being snatched off the street and forced into to
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: be prostitutes. In my experience, at least when I did it,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: that was not the case. So I guess human trafficking
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: is like when someone's trafficked for the purpose of to
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: sell sex, right, against their will. through, you know, court
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: coercion or force or threats or whatever. Um, but when
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: I got there, a lot of the cases we had there,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: it's funny, there were just several pimps that kind of
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: ran the city that were involved. You always came back
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: to the same, like six or seven guys who always
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: had all these different women working for them. And it
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: was always girls, not always, I shouldn't say that. Mostly
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: it was girls, um, from the neighborhood or just outside
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: the city, like the suburbs or whatever. And something in
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: their life like was fucked up, whether it was you know,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: a parent situation where they had one parent or they'd
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: been like sexually abused as kids themselves. Or there was
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: like a DCF, which is Department of Children and Families,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: like there were foster kids. It was always kind of
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: something missing. It could just be they weren't getting attention
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: at home or they weren't happy. And the pimps, a
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: lot of them could be very charming. And they would
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: meet these girls. They'd just meet them in the street,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: go to the train station. They hang at the T
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: in Boston. Or I had one girl, it was a
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: guy I started talking to when she was walking down
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: the street.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: And like, oh, you're pretty. You want to be in
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: a music video? And she's like, she's like a teenage girl. Yeah,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: that'd be cool.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: And she went and like they shot the video. And
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: then like say like we have to finish the video.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: And then they like make her go to another state.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: And like, oh, we're going to take pictures of you
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: and put you online. And you're going to, you know,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: have sex with these guys for money. They don't get
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: any of the money. The pimps get all the money.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: So that was a situation where it was kind of.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: She was not willing. That was kind of a quick one,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: like over a week or two. But a lot of them,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: they groomed the girls for a long time.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, you don't have any money? I'll give you some money.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: I'll take you to get your nails done, honey.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: I had one guy, I literally had text messages for
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: like a month's worth, and you could see him grooming her.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: She worked in a store.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: I think her dad, her mother was deceased, and her
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: dad now wanted to be a woman, and it was
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: like fucking with her head. And he changed his name
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: to Susan or something. And she met this guy working
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: in a store, and he was like, He's like, oh,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: you're working today, honey? I'll bring you a tuna sandwich.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: And I don't want you hungry. And you could see
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: it was like, you know, just progression of a relationship.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: And like a month later, she was like, oh, that's
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: my boyfriend. A lot of them think this pimp's their boyfriend.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: And like a month later, you could see the messages.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: He's like, all right, we have seven guys coming in. And,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: you know, you're going to do all seven of them
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: at a party. There's like a bachelor party or some shit.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: And then she's like, can I keep, you know, 100
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: bucks for the piggy bank?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: And he's like, no, it's all mine.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: It was like $ 1, 000. So it's like they see something
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: missing in their lives and they just manipulate them or
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: they're like they're a little messed up to begin with.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: They're like they're in a bad situation. They don't know
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: how to get out of it. They think these guys
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: are boyfriend. You'll do this if you love me kind
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: of shit.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: So that was a lot of the sex trafficking you saw, huh?
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was in my experience, yes. There wasn't a
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: lot of people being snatched off the street. Like no
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: one's being shipped in a shipping container from Russia and
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: all these girls getting, you know. The nail salon, the
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: spas are a little bit different. The Asian women, they
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: were moving them around.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, is that more like Jackie Jackie? Yeah.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: But those were tough because the second we try to
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: like go in and- They move.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: They're gone. They're gone to New York.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: New Jersey different women they're gone they don't know their
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: names there's like how many different dialects can.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: You pronounce the name Chinese and you're.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: Trying to get our Chinese officers hey can you translate
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: this and they're like it's a different dialect like it
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: was a disaster so those were those were tough.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah you don't even know you're like we're looking for.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: So we did those yeah that's crazy that.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Kind of shit's wild and I don't like those kind
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: of places I'll say that I'll walk into one of
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: those salons or whatever I'll say if anybody jerks me
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: off I'm jerking them off that's what I tell them
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: No homo. I'm just saying. But you know what I'm saying?
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: I put the pressure on everybody in the building.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: Just so everyone knows what you're going.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: Into when you get in there. Don't even jerk me off.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: If somebody tries to even sneak up on me and
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: jerk me off.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Some of these girls would sleep in there. They would
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: sleep on the beds at night when it closed.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd sleep and then they'd wake up and jerk
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: you off. That's the problem.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: But one of them had, we went in one of
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: those sinks. There were baby turtles in the sink filled
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: with water swimming around. I'm like, what the fuck is that?
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: They like the animalia in there. They love aqua animals.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they were going to make soup
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: out of it. I don't know what the hell they
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: were doing. That's true. I don't know what they were
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: doing with those things. We're like, what the fuck? I
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: don't know, you know?
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: And we also did, it's part of human trafficking, and
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: we did what we call John Stings. We target the
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: sex buyer rather than, that's kind of a, it was
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: a European model that they found to be more effective
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: rather than, you know, cops used to arrest the prostitute.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: Well, what about the guy paying for it?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Of course, yeah.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: So then you target that angle of it. Like, we're
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: going to tell you, if you don't have buyers, then
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: no one's going to be selling it. They tried to
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: do it kind of backwards that way. So we would
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: do what we call John Stings, and we'd put Ads online,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: Backpage doesn't exist anymore, but we put them on that.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: It was Craigslist first, and then it was Backpage. I
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: don't know how they're doing it now, whether it's on
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: Insta or TikTok. I don't know where the hell they're
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: doing it now. I've been out of the unit for
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: about six years now.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: You'd have parties, and people would find people on Backpage
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: and invite them over. They would hire strippers and stuff
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: like that to come and dance or hang out. So
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: it was definitely a place where people were kind of
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: eliciting illegal activities.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that was there. When you put an ad in,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: you could pay extra to bump it at the top.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: So it was so prevalent when we were doing it.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: Like we'd put an ad in the morning. Say I
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: put my ad on. Like three or four of us
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: in the office would do fake ads. And you'd have
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: to do like real photos because the guys who were
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: doing it all the time, like we'll do reverse Google
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: image search to find out, did this picture appear someplace else?
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: So they know if it's a fake photo because then
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: maybe you're a cop or you're not going to look
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: like who you're pretending you look like. So we'd all
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: put our ads up. And then, you know, you put
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: on at 8, at 8.30, your phone's ringing. It's crazy. 8.30
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: in the morning, they're already starting to call, and we'd
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: set up our dates for the day, like we'd have
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: a hotel room. And we'd be waiting in the hotel room,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: and we'd have dates set up every half an hour.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: To show up.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: And were y'all hiding under the bed?
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: No, no one's hiding under the bed.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: I would have to open the door, and there'd be, like, guys, like,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: in the bathroom, officers in the bathroom behind the wall.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: So my trick was— I was at like 45, 46
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: when I was doing it. And my ad, I'm supposed
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: to be 34. I didn't fucking look 34. But I
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: opened the door, I'd have like my hair.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, you would be the girl?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, I was a prostitute, yeah.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What? So I'd have to talk to them on
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: the phone.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: What, were y'all understaffed or something? They just shouldn't have you,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: also the detective.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: Well, no, you have to have, you're the one establishing
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: probable cause. So if someone else is doing it and
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: then you have to like go testify in court, well,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: you're not the one that had the interaction with them.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: So what we do, we put our ad online. You'd
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: put your photos and some stupid saying like, you know,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: what you're offering and how much it costs. And of course,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: it's acronyms for everything. That's what I didn't know anything
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: about this before I started about GFE, which is girlfriend experience,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: which means they'll kiss you. Full service means like sex
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: and a blowjob. And then there's like Russian and Greek.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: And there's all these stupid acronyms for everything else. And
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: they thought they were being clever by saying, oh, I want.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: GFE so they're not asking for sex oh I see
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: so by them saying I want GFE or I want
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: Russian or I want this they think they're being clever
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: except you can say like well based on my training
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: experience I know Russian means titty job like or whatever
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: and then so you talk they call you on the
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: phone a titty job yeah that's a Russian by the
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: way I didn't know that.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: I'll take it I mean whatever they're you know I
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: mean it is I'm sorry yeah that's.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: Okay so You'd basically talk to them on the phone.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: They'd call you.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: And some of them were real nervous, obviously. You could
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: tell the long-timers they'd got right to business. And some
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: of them wanted to flirt with you on the phone
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: or whatever. Can you send pictures of your eyes or
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: your feet? The foot fetish guys are out there big time.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: And then you're like, the more you do it, I'm like,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: I don't have time for this shit.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: Like, do you want to come? Are you showing up
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: or not?
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: So you'd basically make the arrangement. So once they showed up,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: you already had probable cause. They already agreed to pay
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: you for sex before they ever showed up. So then
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: by them showing up at the hotel, they're like basically
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: completing– the entire, the elements of the crime, they showed up,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: they already agreed to pay you for such and such,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: so then you can arrest them.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Right, when they get there, really.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But, like, depending where we do it, if we
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: did it, like, nights or downtown parts of the high-end
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: hotels would let us use their rooms. Oh, yeah.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: I don't have to do anything in there.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: Every time we did it, we got a doctor. Every
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: fucking time. The Brigham Hospital, one of the best hospitals
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: in the world, allegedly. The Beth Israel. One guy showed
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: up in scrubs with, like, Beth Israel Hospital on it.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, what the fuck? You're on lunch break? It
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: was crazy.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: We got doctor every time why you think.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know too busy too busy to get a
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: girlfriend i don't know.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know are there yeah i wonder what that
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: is i.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: Don't know it was we always got in it and
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: when we did it in like the not so nice
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: parts of town. Then we'd get like, you know, the
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: cable guys and the plasterers. And for some reason, I
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: always felt bad for them. They didn't have any money,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: but it's the same crime. So I shouldn't have felt
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: bad for them. They were just, you know, but I did.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: The rich guys, because they've got very arrogant when you
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: try to arrest them. They were all arrogant. We had
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: one guy who's a Northeastern University professor. And he was
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: on the phone with me saying, I'm a professor. And
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: he was trying to talk me down on my prices.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: I don't make a lot of money.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: That's what I would do. I would text him. He's
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: bargaining with me. Look, how about this? $ 70. Some lady's
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: coming over for $ 70. I'm like, Jesus. And now I'm like,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: I would.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: He was bargaining with me. I don't make a lot
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: of money. Meanwhile, I made more money than me.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: But I always laugh. He wanted me. He's like, well,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: you put me in yoga positions. That's what he wanted.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: He's a fucking freak. So I'm like, yeah, I got
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: my lulus on. Come on over. Like you just. He
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: wanted to be in yoga positions, me to put him
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: in them, and then aggressive kissing.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: And when you get some weird requests or anything like that? Yeah.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: Like anything pretty wild? Like were there any people you
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: wanted to enjoy them and their wife, like joints like that?
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: No, nothing.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: We never got those. We got a lot.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: Almost everybody was married. One of them we did. We
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: met him in a bar. He said it was the
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: end of the night. He was too nervous to come
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: to a hotel. He said he'd never done this before
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: or whatever. So we agreed to meet him downstairs. The
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: hotel had a bar downstairs. And I was just sitting there.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: And now, again, I'm supposed to be 34. And even
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: 10 years ago, I didn't look 34.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: I think you look great.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: I don't fucking look 34, but thank you. But so
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: I'm sitting at the bar waiting. And the signal is
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: for me to touch my hair. And there's two cops
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: down the end of the bar. And he comes in.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: I see him walk past.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: He comes in.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: And the bar is crowded. I see this guy walk in.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: I said, that's him. I knew it was him. You
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: could tell his face. He wasn't like, hey, I just
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: got to a bar.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: And he's all chilled. He was, like, intense. Scared.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: And he walked right past me and went to the
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: men's room and looked at them like, that's him. He's
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: got his fucking Burberry scarf on and his, you know,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: $ 400 jacket.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: And he came over and approached me.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: A librarian's son.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: He tapped me and, you know, said, oh, my name
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: or whatever. And then when they came up to arrest him,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: he fainted. We had so many guys faint or like
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: collapse on the bed. His face, he was white as
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: a ghost and he just went down. So the officers
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: like drag him out to the vestibule of the bar.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: We're like, we got to call Scott an ambulance. But
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: he's snapped to it and he's crying and shit. And
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: he's like, he's like 30 years old. And like, dude,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: he's like, I'm so anxious all the time. I'm trying
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: to get my wife pregnant. I was like, you think
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: you're going to get her pregnant by fucking a prostitute? Like,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: what is wrong with you?
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's worth a shot. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but I'm just saying.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: You go fuck a stranger, and nobody wants to use
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: a condom. That was bareback. That was another code.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, they were doing barebacks, huh?
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a code. BBBJ is bareback. Bareback blows
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: you up. So they didn't want to.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: Here you go, bareback sex without condom. Yeah.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: BBBJ.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: And they'll ask you how much extra. Like, how much
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: will you charge me? for a bareback. So none of
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: them wanted to use a condom. So they're all going
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: home to their families after fucking some rando who's having
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: sex with five people that day.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Not to mention, what township is it in?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: It's Boston. Yeah, oh yeah. So this guy's bringing, oh,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to get my wife pregnant. What are you
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: bringing home? Yeah. Bottom bitch. That's the pimp's main girl.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: She's the one who runs it for him. Really? I
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: see that in the terminology, yeah.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: Let's see some more terms here. The in-call, the escorts.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: That's only bees, see? They go on forever.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: And were people ever asked, so I'm trying to think
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: of anything, were people ever asking for like golden showers,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: urination type of things?
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: I never had, I never got asked for those. One
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: thing they asked me for, the guy's like, will you
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: do a hand-eat? And I'm like, is that a quick
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: hand job?
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: Like I had no idea what the fuck it was.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: And my partner at the time is like Googling on
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: the Urban Dictionary, like what's that? It was some crazy
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: thing about choking and She's on top and then you
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: flip and he's on. I was like, how the fuck
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: do they come up with these names? Like, what does
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: that even mean?
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: That's all that Cirque du Soleil.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: Shit people are doing now. It's crazy. Like, how is
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: that a handy? Because I was like, what is that?
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: That's all that welterweight stuff, I think. I don't know
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: what it is. Was there a lot of stuff like
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: people want you to touch the hole in their butt
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: or anything like that? Like any weird stuff like that?
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: No, they never got that specific on the phone. But
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: they would ask for anal. That was Greek. They were like,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: one of them, they're clever way. They're like, ooh, do
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: you speak any languages? So then I'm supposed to say, yeah,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: I speak Greek and Russian.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: That's what I mean.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: They think they're clever. They have all these weird online
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: forms where they talk about the prostitutes.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: They rate them.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: I forget what the page they used to rate them on.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: So that's why we had to change up our photos
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: and use real stuff. Because these guys all talk to
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: each other. The guys that do it all the time.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: Not the one-timers.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: The lifers.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, or dabblers like yourself.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: Dabblers, yeah.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: In and out.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: In and out. In and out of the system.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they talk to each other and rate the girls.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. It's a crazy life.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: And when would a night like that for you guys end? Like,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: was there a certain point where you guys.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: Had to shut it down?
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we kind of call it.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: So, like, the calls would start coming in the morning.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: And we'd have, you know, hire overtime to transport all.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: Because they'd be showing up. Sometimes they'd show up at
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: the same time.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, shit.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: And they'd come into the same room. So, we'd try
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: to stagger the dates. And we had them schedule the
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: area hour, every half hour, whatever. And after like eight
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: or 10 hours, a boss would call it. We always
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: did a Super Bowl weekend. It was Cook County in
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: Illinois did a big funding thing for it. They got
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: money from the feds and they all kind of agreed
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: to do it. So at certain times a year, Super
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: Bowls were always when we did it. So we'd call
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: it a night after we arrested like 12, 14 people
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: or whatever. She'd be like, all right, that's enough.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: Stop answering the phones. So on most Super Bowl weekends,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: you guys are doing that?
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: We were when we were in the human trafficking unit, yeah.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: But we got one guy. I was talking to him
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: on the phone. I'm like, this guy is so fucking old. Now,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: I'm laughing.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: I was very shy about it when I first started
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: doing it. I don't know who in the— I'm not
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: a prostitute. I don't talk to these people. So I'd
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: be all anxious, like hiding in the bathroom. So there's
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: just eight cops in there.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: I don't want them listening to me like, yeah, you
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: can stick it in my ass for an extra 50.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: Like I was embarrassed.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: And then I got more comfortable and they would just
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: be laughing. Like I'd just be like, yeah, this is
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: what you want.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: Okay. And everybody's laughing. One guy, this guy was.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: So, sounded so old. And he's like, you gotta, you know, yeah,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm an older gentleman. And I remember saying,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: that's all right. I'll take it easy on you. And
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: then he shows up. He's like shorter than me. Turns
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: out he's like a multimillionaire philanthropist from Beacon Hill on
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: the boards of like Children's Hospital and all this crazy.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: He laughed. He burst out laughing when he got arrested.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: He was a tiny little guy with glasses. He laughed.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: Everyone else shits himself or gets angry. But he laughed.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: He's the only one. He didn't give a shit. He said, yeah,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: I'll pay the fine. I don't care.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: Just get my phone back. We take all their phones.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: And I remember I was doing a detail at Fenway Park.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: And he was in contact. He's like, I paid my fine.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: Can I get my phone back? Because we take their
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: phones as evidence. We have to show their text messages
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: or whatever. And if they plead, pay the fine or
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: plead out, they get their property back because the case
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: is done. But if they're fighting it, then we keep
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: the evidence because we have to, you know, do a
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: search warrant on the phone and all this stuff. He's like, yeah,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: I paid my fine. He literally, he showed up at
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: the red set. I'm like, I'm working in detail. Like
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: you can come and get it. So I was in
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: uniform that day because normally I'm not in uniform. And
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: he showed up, and he's laughing in the car. I'm like,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: here's your phone.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what's the matter with you? He's like, we
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: got money. Go get a girlfriend. He's like, it's not
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: worth the trouble. I was like, all right, have a
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: good day. He did not give a shit.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: Gosh, dude. Did you ever just like accidentally just hook
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: up with one of them? Like did that ever happen?
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: No. No, that didn't happen.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: Like did one ever show up and you were like, oh,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: this guy's kind of cute. I wish it wasn't like this.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: No, I never thought I wish it wasn't like this.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: But yeah, some of them weren't, you know, that's what
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: we say. Some of them are good looking. You're like, what's,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: go get a, what's wrong with you?
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: Like you're a good looking, we used to say like,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: you're a good looking dude.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: You can get a girlfriend. Some of them are like
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: fucking grotesque. Like you could see why they're paying for it.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: Like I said, the doctors don't have time.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: Maybe, I don't know.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: They don't want the commitment, but some of them be
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: good looking dudes.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: Like what's wrong with you?
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: I think for some guys, they, they have a, Their
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: sexual experience, especially if it starts off with pornography, a
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: lot of times is really skewed.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: Well, that's an issue now. They don't know what's real life.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: Right. But then it's safe. Like, you know, if it
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: starts off with pornography, it's very skewed, right? Because this
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: is an environment that's kind of like you can get
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: exactly what you want out of pornography. You put the
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: terms in. You get what you want. And that's your intimacy.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: So that's how you build it, right? So then it
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: almost makes– it doesn't– it's not right. It doesn't make
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: anything right or anything like that. And some people will–
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: You know, like prostitution is one of the oldest businesses
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: in the universe, right? It's always been there. But some people,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: they– the next– the closest way they can get somebody
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: is almost just trying to create the same thing but
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: in real life, right? So like I need to create
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: the same thing where it's like I can kind of
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: get what I would like.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: These are my Google terms. These are the things that
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: I like. And I'm going to pay for that.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: They don't want to waste time maybe. I don't know.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, I think some people for sure it's time. It's
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: like I don't want to have a big relationship. I
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: just want to have some sex.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: I don't want to take someone out to dinner twice
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: a week and spend hundreds.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of that that goes on. And
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: I don't look down upon any of it. I just
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: think it's interesting that– but yeah, the laws are the
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: laws and that's just what your experience was like with them.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: So what I learned is like I– it's like, hey,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: if a girl wants to do it, but in reality
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: I think 99 percent of the time they're not making
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: a dime. So they're doing it all and the pimp's
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: taking all the money. So that's why I was like, well,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: that sucks. I had like one girl who was like, no,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: this is how much I make. And she does what's
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: called sissy play. And I was like, what's guys who
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: like want not want to get hurt, but close to
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: not like say to masochism or whatever. But she made
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: a lot of money. She's like, I make, you know,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: $ 500 an hour or whatever.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: I was like, shit.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, my partner would be like, we need a
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: new job when we retire. Like, what the hell?
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: I know a dude like that.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: But she kept her own money, but literally out of
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: everyone else I ever met, they didn't keep it.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: They had to hand it over.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: So guys think, when we try to do it as
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: like an education thing, we tell the guys when we
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: rest them, like, we're not doing this to her because
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: they're always like, don't tell my wife.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: Like, everyone would panic. Sure.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: Say, look, it's kind of what's supposed to be at
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: the time like an education thing. We're trying to make
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: you aware. These girls, you think you're doing something and
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: you're paying for the service. They're giving you the service
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: and everyone leaves happy. But the girls weren't getting the money.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: They were getting the shit kicked out of them half
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: the time.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's heartbreaking.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: So. Oh, yeah. Happy stuff.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: I hated telling people I worked there because it was
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: like a conversation killer.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: Like you'd see people's shoulders just droop. You're like, oh,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: you work at the interview? They're like, oh. So, you know,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: nothing good there. Nothing good happened in there.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Well, it's just interesting how perverse like sexuality can get
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: and the things that cause it in our world. You know,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: it's another thing why they even allow pornography to exist. Like,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we need it like as readily
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: available as it is. We had a woman come on
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: named Lila McElwain and she was telling us that a
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: lot of the pornography you see online, it's non-consensual, right?
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: And so a lot of times you could have somebody
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: basically masturbating or watching and and enjoying a crime, and
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: they don't even know it.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: They don't know.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: Just the whole circle of it all is kind of depraved.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same thing.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: But then I have friends that do sex work, and
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: they work for themselves, and they're masterful at it.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: Fair enough. If they're working for themselves, and they want
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: to do that, and they're making the money, that is victimless.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think people may have issues with it.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: People on both sides of the transaction probably have some issues,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: and may or may not. It could be different. But
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: anyway– Yeah, that would just be, but yeah, some people
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: are in a weird stuff. I had a buddy, he
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: would hire a woman just to tickle him until he
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: shit himself.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: Oh, fuck.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: This is some weird shit out there. There's a lot
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: of fetishes, man.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: That's why I found out about, I started putting my
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: feet in the photos because I was like, I got
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: to get the foot fetish guy.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: Because people want some, like the guy wanted me to
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: put him in yoga positions. How does that do it
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: for you?
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: It's bizarre. Like you said, the guy wanted to tickle
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: until he shit. Yeah. That's a really specific wish.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, if you tickle me.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: Like how do you get there?
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: How do you get there? Like, were you tickled as
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: a kid? And we're like, oh, no, I'm going to
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: shit myself. And then as an adult, that's what does
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: it for you?
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know where you watch a funny movie and
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: then you have to pee. Like, maybe, I don't know.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you start.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you get there.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: But yeah, if somebody tickled me to less shit, I
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: would be upset.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: I think overall.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: I think most would.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: Did you ever feel like you had to be like
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: a protector for these women or did a lot of
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: them feel like they just? they were in their own
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: space and that's what they wanted. And it's not something
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: you can really help with. Like a lot of the women.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: It was a lot of the case.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: It was a lot of, um, I feel like you're
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: just banging the head off the wall, going nowhere. You'd
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: help somebody, get them in, you get them away from somebody,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: you get them into, it's like a safe home. Like
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: there was a woman who ran a nonprofit, a place
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: to put these people to get them some clothes. Like
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of them, they'd steal their shoes and their
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: IDs and their phones or whatever.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: So they couldn't run away.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: Um, so you find them a place to stay and
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: you know, Get them Target gift cards so they can
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: go buy like a toothbrush and some soap. And then
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: like the middle of the night, they jump out the
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: fucking window. So like you do, you're like getting called
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: out of your house at 10 o'clock at night to
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: go help somebody. And then they're like, oh, well, she's gone.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: And so many of them ended that way. Or they
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: just disappeared. They wouldn't testify against them. So the cases
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: went nowhere. So it was a little frustrating.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's people, you can't help people till
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: they are ready for some help.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: What about any, was there any gay, was there any
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: gay pimps out there? Was it that kind of thing?
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: Or did a guy ever lie and say like when
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: you busted him, like say you set him up with
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: a female prostitute and he just like, he was like,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: I'm gay. I'm just joking, you know, happy Halloween or whatever,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: No, they never tried that. I mean, they jigs up
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: as soon as they show up.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: God.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: Most of them knew it. They like fall on the bed.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: A couple of them cry. Like really? Yeah. Yeah. But no,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: none of them, no one ever tried to show the
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: gay card. Be like, it wasn't me. Yeah. I'm just
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: here for fun. Yeah.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: I'm just, I was just joking.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: Just fucking with you. Yeah.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: Um, you, you had a, you had an investigate, you
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: had a three year investigation that you worked on.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: That was, um, a human trafficking case that I did with, um, uh,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: someone from Homeland Security investigations.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: Okay. And what was that like? Take me through some
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: of that story. You had a three year investigation.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: That actually started with the one I told you, the girl,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: the music video.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: That's how it started.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: And we got a call to Children's Hospital in Boston
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: saying this girl there said she was raped in Rhode Island.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: I think she was 15 maybe or 16. That's how
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: that case started. And then we found out all she
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: had was a nickname. It wasn't even a guy's real name.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: She had like his Facebook page.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: And a nickname.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: Like Smokey or something.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't want to say it.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: Okay. Sorry. Never mind.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: No, the guy, yeah.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: I was just guessing if it was Smokey.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: No, it wasn't Smokey.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: So she all shares a nickname and we kind of
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: worked backwards from that. Like one of the Homeland security
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: agents drove the girl. She's like, Oh, this, this woman
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: drove me to Rhode Island, but she wasn't involved, but
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: she drove me. And this is where she lived. She
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: lived in this neighborhood. That's where I had to meet her.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: So the Homeland security guys started driving around and we
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: saw the car in the neighborhood and got the license plate.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: So then I started looking on my end cause he
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: doesn't have access to Boston police reports. I started looking
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: for the license plate. Um, in a car that matches
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: her description. Cause we don't know if it's exact and
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: I find a car, but it's a guy's name. But
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: then I start looking for reports with someone for that
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: last name. And then I found a woman with that
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: last name and with her first name, she, cause she
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: told me the girls, she knew the woman's first name.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: All we have is a first name and a red car.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: So then I find the last name in the car registration.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: I find old reports with this woman with their first name,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: the same last name. And we're like, Oh shit, that,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: that we pull up the, you know, we did a
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: photo rate and show the girl.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: And she's like, that's her.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: So then we started talking to her and we ended
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: up going, it was like a spider web. So these
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: two guys, there were two guys who pimped her out
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: in Rhode Island, but she did get raped by some guy,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: the guy in Rhode Island, I got like seven years
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: for the rape or something. Um, cause she did not
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: go willingly. And those two guys worked for another pimp
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: and he had women all, I think He was in
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: his late 20s and he had I think like 11
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: baby mamas and like 17 kids or 14 kids, something crazy.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: But he had like 27, 28 victims, girls that worked
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: for him over a period of time, including a bottom bitch.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: She's like the girl that works for him who recruits
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: girls and is basically in charge of everything, collecting the
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: money or whatever. She works herself too usually, the bottom bitch.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: But that took like three years because we were like
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: in Maine.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: New York.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: These girls went to New Jersey. They went to Vegas, California.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: They would drive. They would drive to Vegas and work
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: and then drive back. But he had all these women
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: working for him. He was very, very violent. Like he
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: would beat the shit out of the girls. He would
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: pee on them, stole their shoes, their licenses, their cell phones.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: So they couldn't call home. Like I said, some of
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: these girls came from like messed up places. And it
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: took like three years to get enough people to, because
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: every time we found somebody, we found somebody else. So
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: that took a long time. I think he got like
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: 33 years in jail because that went federal because of
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: all the different states.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: That was a biggie.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you for that. Thank you for that work.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: I liked going back to the district.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, I liked it at the time, the schedule work,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: but the district is great people like the patrolmen.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: Because when you were in the human trafficking, there's no patrolmen.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: It's just detectives.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: So it's like four or five detectives and a supervisor.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: When you go back to the district, there's, you know, 100,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: 200 people there. So it's a lot more fun.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're part of life.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: We laugh all day and stuff like that. So I
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: was happy to go back.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: I realize that kind of stuff. I go hang out
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: with the football team around here sometimes. And it's just
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: like some of the best parts of my week because
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: there's just people around. Yeah. It's like otherwise my life
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: is very much like kind of by myself. Not by myself,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: but it's a limited amount, you know.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: It got old. And again, all the cases, most of
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: them go nowhere. So that's frustrating. And I just wanted
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: to go, you know. back to the district where, and
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: it's great people. They're the best people on earth.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: And you just had laugh all day, you know, like
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: when it's real shitty, like the one with the guy,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: you know, two.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: Women stabbed and the dog was stabbed in the stomach
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: or whatever. Like those are like, we work with really
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: good people.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: We're all there together. Yeah.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: And you, um, and you won detective of the year
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: for that, right?
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for the federal– for the three-year, yeah.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: Let's go. Cara, congratulations.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: It's funny.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: Mark Wahlberg was at the ceremony for the Boston Police Foundation,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: gave me the award. The Detectives Union did too, but
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: the Boston Police Foundation did it. It's like a nonprofit.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: And at the time, they were promoting the movie Patriot's Day.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: And Peter Berg, the director, and Mark Wahlberg were there
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: for the award ceremony, gave me a picture.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: With them or whatever.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: You did?
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: That's cool.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to– I will– Yeah, they were
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: promoting that.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: I'll text Mark and send him our picture. I don't
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: know if he probably doesn't even know who I am,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: but I think I accidentally snuck his number off of
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: a sheet one time.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, Mark Wahlberg?
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's from Dorchester, where I was a detective.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, really? Yes. Oh, then I'll make sure to.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: That's where he and his brother's family's from.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: Not even in a bragging way, I'll just be like, hey,
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: this is awesome. I just wanted to let you know
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: I met one of Dorchester's finest today right here. But congratulations.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: That's so cool. Thank you. Did that make you feel
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: a sense of accomplishment?
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I worked hard.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: Again, it was with Homeland Security and a Homeland Security agent.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: She did a shit ton of work more than me.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: She was great. We worked together on it. And like
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: I said, it was a long investigation. So I was
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: very happy to have it resolved.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: In the process of it, someone, the pimp who was
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: in charge, who thought the first two pimps that got
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: caught with a girl in Rhode Island that I found
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: through a nickname or whatever, They thought one of them
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: was ratting to the feds, so he had someone shoot
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: one of them in the head. He lived, but not good.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: It was like a piece of pie was missing from
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: his head. He could sing, but he couldn't talk.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: He could no longer speak.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: That's when I found out they said in the brain, like, oh,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: it's different parts of the brain. He could like, sing
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: the alphabet and happy birthday, but he couldn't speak. And
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: he was not ratting to the feds.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: He was nobody. He was, like, away in New Jersey.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: With some girl. Not at that point. You're like, who
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: did it? And he's like, D-E-F-G.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was in court on something else. And one
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: of the DAs was like, did you hear this guy
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: got shot? And I was like, what's his name? I
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, shit. We're looking for him. We have
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: an arrest warrant for him. But that guy had him shot.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: Man, to get caught up in such depths of darkness.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was glad to be done with that one.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: Is most of your social life with police officers and
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: cops and stuff? It is.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: It was until I moved.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: Moved where?
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: I moved out of Boston. I moved to South Carolina.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: You did?
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: No way. What part do you live in?
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I live just outside of Charleston.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: Dude, I used to go to College of Charleston for
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: one semester.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to live around King Street above my
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: buddy's apartment for a while.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: King Street's the shit.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: It was pretty neat. It was a little bit different,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: but it was fun. And, uh, it's beautiful over there.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: It's gorgeous. And I don't want to be cold. So,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: and I'm not a Florida person.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: And your daughter lives over there? Yeah. You guys got
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: Folly beach. That's right there.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah. IOP. I'll, I'll Palm Sullivan's Island.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: But they, she, we, she lives north. We live north
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: of just north of Charleston. So, um, yeah, we moved there.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: So right before I moved, um, forget where we're going
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: with this.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: What was I saying? It's most of your social life.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Yeah.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: Until I moved. Yes. Um, And it's weird.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: Everyone's like, oh, you got to have friends that aren't cops.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: So I have friends that I'm still friends with from
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: high school that I've been friends with for 40 years.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: So I have a core group of girls, a few
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: girls that I've known since high school. But it's weird
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: when you become a cop, like it's hard to talk
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: to regular people only because I always said I felt
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: like a party trick. if you're out in a large
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: group and someone's like, oh, they're a cop.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: Do you got any stories? Did you ever shoot anybody? No,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: I didn't fucking shoot anybody. And if I did, it
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: was a bad day. So maybe I don't want to
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: talk about it.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: So I think that's why we all just end up
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: hanging together because we get it, whether it's, you know,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: cops or nurses or whatever. They get it because you
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: don't want to feel, you don't want to be performing
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: all the time.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't want to talk about it. It sucks.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: Some of it's funny.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: Just handcuffed sex jokes and stuff.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: You know, like dick on the sidewalk sounds funny, but
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: that was a sock morning. You know what I mean?
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: More for that kid than me. But in baby in
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: a trash can and all this other shit, it's hard.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: First of all, a lot of these sound like baby
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: shower party games too. I do want to say that.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: And that's not what we're doing here today, guys. It's
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: just kind of some of the way things sound.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: Those are what I call my chapter, my titles of
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: my chapters of the alleged book I'm going to write.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: That's why I shortened it like that. But like you
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: don't want to feel like you're on all the time.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: So that's why we hang together because we all get
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: it and we have a weird sense of humor.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: We're different people.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: Like when we have Christmas, I used to run the
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: Christmas parties for our district. And they'd be like, oh,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: we can section off a part of the bar.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: We're like, no, no, no, no. We have to be
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: in our own space.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: Like we are not FIFA public society, I used to say,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: because we say shit that is not funny.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: And it's funny to us.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: But if like random normal people who just go about
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: their business heard some of the shit that we'd say,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: they'd be horrified.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, I've had very recent experience with some of that,
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: and I feel you 100%. Wow. Was it hard to
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: move away then?
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: No, I was ready.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: You were?
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was done, and I wanted to be warm.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: My daughter was already down here.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, your daughter lives in Charleston? Yeah.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's great. So I wanted to come down.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: Is that your only child? Yeah. Oh, she's beautiful.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: And are you still married or no?
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: No, of course. Years, yeah.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: And is it hard to keep them? Are a lot
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: of officers married? And is there a lot of dating
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: on the force? What's that kind of life like for.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: It seems very tough.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: We spend a lot of time together, so there's always
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: a lot of relationships form in the police department.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: Like, cops end up married to each other. I'm divorced.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: I've been divorced for years. It's funny.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: My ex-husband and his new... He's remarried a wife. They
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: moved down here, too.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, nice.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we all get along. So they could be
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: near my daughter, and they have a child as well,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: so she has a brother with him, but It's hard.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: It seems easier now. For some reason, cops now, in
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: my experience that I've seen, are more family-oriented than they
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: were when I was young. There was a lot more
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: drinking going on then. Like guys would stay late in
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: the parking lot and like no one would go home.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: And now everyone's all about their family. So I think
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: it's morphed, whether it's who they're choosing or who wants,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: no one wants the job, first.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: Of all, by the way.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: When I took the police exam, like 10,000 people took it.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: And now they can't even get like 800 people to
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: take the test.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: No one wants, I mean, it's terrible. People hate us.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: Of course, when your district attorney is not supporting you,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: when your government isn't supporting you.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: And all over the country, like, no, we're not the
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: fire department. Everyone, America's heroes. It's a joke. We laugh
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: that no one wants to see us coming.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: And it's just gotten worse and worse over time because
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: we're not politically supported even nationally.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: We weren't in the past. It's changed.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: So it's hard to... maintain relationships. Because we're with each other.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: We all work 12, 14, 16 hours a day.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: And so that's how a lot of them end up together,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: I think. And then again, because they understand it. It's
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: hard for a non-police person to understand what's going through
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: our crazy heads.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: Because we're all crazy.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: And we would have taken the job, I think, if
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: it didn't make you crazy.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine. You have to drive in a
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: car that has a siren on it, first of all.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's kind of aggravating. And then when you get there,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: you might have to shoot somebody or get shot.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm out. Yeah. It's a lot.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: It's a lot.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: So it's a lot for a regular person to live
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: with someone who's dealing.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: With that, I think.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: Is it hard to keep the work at work for
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of people or is it not? Is it?
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: It's changed. I mean, it varies by person. Some people
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: can shut it off. They don't give a shit. Just
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: go home and shut it off. And some people get really,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: you know, fucked up over it and drink too much
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: or they're too, you know, mental like depression or whatever.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: So- What did you think about Trump utilizing the National
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: Guard to help out in some of these cities?
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: I thought it was fucking great.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: I did too.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, if the mayor's not going to fix it,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: you can't have that much chaos in the streets.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: Do something.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: And the fact that they're fighting it like, oh, how
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: dare you clean up my city? Are you insane?
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: I would love if there's military in it. I mean, like,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: especially if it helps us get to a point where
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: we don't need that, where there's a bit of, you know,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: where it solves the problem.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: People want it. It's funny.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: When everyone was hating on us a few years ago,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: bad after George Floyd and stuff, everyone hate us videotaping
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: you everywhere you go cameras every every radio call you're
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: at the phone's out in your face they're waiting for
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: something to happen and they're cursing at you spit not
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: like they spit on you when they talk and that's
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: not and you can't react to that you can't be
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: like you know you can't get into it.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: With people and so we're what pieces of shit yeah
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: do that everyone that's who does it everyone every piece
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: of shit does it but then you find out like
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: the normal people in the neighborhoods they want us there
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: they come out they're like thank you thank you for
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: coming but that's doesn't happen as often as you'd like.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: And it is interesting. It is like, you know, I
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: think it is a nice reminder to find ways to
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: stop by our police and fire departments and be supportive,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: you know? One thing that's kind of fun about fire departments,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: I'll say, is you can walk by and see the
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: guys right there sometimes, right by the truck, you know
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? So you can go up and say, hey,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: you can go up and like.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like walking into a police station. You're right.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you're like, okay.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: Well, it has to be secure because there's prisoners inside
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: and there's firearms.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: It's different.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: It can't be as open and.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: Welcoming as the fire department. Yeah, at a fire department,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: there's just a crock pot full of freaking ballpark Franks
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: going on. So it's a different– now, they'll guard those
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: with their life, some of those guys.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: It's a different atmosphere, yeah.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And there's the one guy that's like afraid to
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: slide down the pole. He just waits until everybody else
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: goes and then he just takes the stairs real fast.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: But none of that's any judgment. These guys are heroes.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: But that's one thing that's nice. Like, we were in
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: New York the other day, and they were even doing
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: a call, and we, like, took my buddy's son up,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: and he, like, will wear his little fire jacket around town,
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: and he'll just, like, go get into the fire truck
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: and shit. So, like, they come back, and we're just like,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: this kid's just in their truck.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, kids love fire trucks and shit. Oh, they love it.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's, you know, and cruisers, they like the noise,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: the noise and the lights.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: It's exciting.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: I think it's cool, you know?
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, look at this. Here we go. Oh. Sean Diddycombe
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: sentencing live updates. Combs gets 50 months in prison.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: That's actually not that much, four years.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: For his conviction on two prostitution-related offenses. What were the offenses?
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: Can you let me know?
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: He must have been sex trafficking of a minor, maybe.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: He got acquitted of the most serious charges he faced, racketeering, conspiracy,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: and sex trafficking. Found him guilty on two counts of
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: transportation to engage in prostitution. You know, I personally thought
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: that this whole thing, was something they were trying to
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: create during the election of kind of like, I don't
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: know what, how they were trying to use it, but
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: I thought it was, they were trying.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: To get some crazy shit.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure. I mean, but do you think he
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: was just a freak that got really addicted to what
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: he was doing and a power, like a power hungry
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: from what I hear? He's a very power controlling type
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: of person.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, I obviously don't know the gist of the cases,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: why they charge them with conspiracy and sex trafficking with
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: their minors involved.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: So I don't know why. Yeah. So we got watches
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: over four years. I don't know what he, I mean,
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: you can't get them for sex parties, so there's obviously
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: something there.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. And who knows what they kept back?
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: Who knows what got, like, behind closed doors? Yeah, stuff
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: gets suppressed.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Victims don't want to testify. Was he the one
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: with the girl he was kicking the shit out of
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: in the hallway at the elevator? That was pretty bad
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: to watch.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, never mind. You know what? Fuck that. Give him
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: fucking 10 more years. I am. I'm sorry. And you
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: know what's messed up? I forgot about that.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: There's so much evil shit out there sometimes.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: Well, it's nonstop. Every week there's something else. Every day
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: something else comes out.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: But do you think, okay, so going back to that,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: so that statement, and I agree with it, there's a lot.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: But if we go back to like working the beats
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: in Dorchester when you were starting, like there's a better
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: way to do it, right? There's a better way we
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: can be.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people have to be human beings. But there's a
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: lot of people that aren't. They're pieces of shit for
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: whatever reason, whether it's poverty or their upbringing. or drugs.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: Messes the fucks up families to no one. So I
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know what the answer is. It's
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: not what we're doing.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: Right. I wonder if it's what we are doing or
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: what is being done to us that's having more of
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: an effect on us or probably some.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, when we can't control it, people are going
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: to be a piece of shit and bad. Like, that's
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: not our fault. That's not your fault. We didn't do anything.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: We're just going about our business, having a job, getting
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: up in the morning, going to work or whatever.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: The people that choose to, I'm just going to fucking
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: rob this person. Some people are just bad people.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: Some people end up that way because of the way
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: they're raised. And some people are just fucking bad.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: They really are.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: It's the way they are.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think sometimes we do get caught in
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: this space of like, oh, we have to recuperate everybody.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: And we got to save everybody. Right. There's real victims
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: And it's not them. It's not those guys.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. When it came to the prostitute,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: the pimps and everything like that, is there a certain ethnicity?
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: Is it Asian? Is it black? Is it white?
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: The pimps?
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: Is that whole universe of a certain world? Because you
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: always hear Asian prostitution. Was it a certain— Or is
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: it anybody?
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: So the spas were Asian. Their pimps were Asian. But
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: the ones, in my experience, in all of my cases—
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: whether they were male or female pimps because we had
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: a couple females.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: They were black. They're African-American.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: Really? Black female pimps too?
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: They worked, yes. They ended up like the bottom bitch.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: They'd end up kind of working on their own.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: The most common ethnicities of pimps in the United States,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: according to available arrest data and research, are predominantly black, African-American,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: making up about two-thirds of identified or arrested pimps, followed
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: by a smaller proportion of Latino, white, multiracial, mixed people.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: They'll pretty much do anything. And Asian individuals.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the spas were, the guys, people running those were Asian.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: That's kind of crazy. I'm wondering, well, maybe it has
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: a lot to do with that music that's in that culture, too,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: just the way that some of that music is so
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: vulgar and, like, bitch, pimp, and that, you know.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, stuff's glorified.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. I think that culture has
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: the most glorification of the music, of the performers. Now,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of the producers and agents of that group
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: are white, so certainly just as much responsibility, yeah. Thank
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: you so much for hanging out. I want to know,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: what do you like to do now? So are you
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: retired now?
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: I just retired three months ago.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: Congratulations.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I'm very happy.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: You're supposed to put in 32 years to get your
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: full pension, but I gave up after 31.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 4: What?
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 32 years.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: But you still get a pension?
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: No, I get my pension.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: It's just not the most you're going to get is
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: 80% of your salary after 32 years. And I stayed
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: till 31 years and I get like 77% or something.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: That's fair. Yeah, I'm down south now. I go to
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: the beach. I paint.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: I do oil painting as a hobby.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: You do?
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: Would you do us a little bitty painting and we
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: could put it in here?
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: No, I'm fucking terrible. I'm just learning. I copy artists
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: that I like. That's how I'm learning. It's like mixed
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: colors and stuff like that.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: So I copy artists' paintings that I appreciate and I
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: try to recreate them just in the learning process.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: I'm terrible. I'm brand new.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: If you ever do want to do something even small
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: and it can even be years from now, you want.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: To– I'll send you a little painting.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: My niece is an actual painter. And I told her
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: I was coming. She's like, bring Theo a painting.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's cool. That's sweet of her. Well, I'm glad
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: that I asked. That would be really nice to have
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: because then I can tell people who it's from. All right.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: And thank you so much for your service.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thank you for having me.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: Thank you for having normal people on and not just,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: you know, like, it's nice to have somebody who gives
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: a shit what we're doing instead of, you know.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think I'm learning more that that's just
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: so much more important to me sometimes, I think. I
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: don't know. This whole thing has been interesting, like, Just
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: talking to people and stuff like that. Because I'm not
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: really the best interviewer, but I am curious about people.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what makes a good interviewer. You ask people questions.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: You're a great interviewer. Come on.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's sweet of you. Thank you.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: You're welcome. I love the Amish kid interview. That was great.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, he was good, huh? He was great. He was
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: so funny.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: He was very well-spoken. He was just very direct. He
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: seemed so natural at it. He really did.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: I see your hat there. I like your remnant. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's really him. And Louis C.K. just gave me his
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: new book. I give it to your daughter, but it's
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: kind of for boys.
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  Speaker 2: It's a boy book. Is it a novel?
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  Speaker 1: It is. And he did a really great job writing it.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: He's funny. He's funny shit. I know he had trouble
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: in the past, but he's a funny bastard.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he is. Yeah. And I'm so glad he had
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: trouble in the past because that's how he and I
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: got to know each other because we've all had trouble. Yeah.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: So it's good.
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  Speaker 2: That's great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And in the spirit of service, we got a
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: picture of our– this is our Jim Jeffries. He was
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: a comedian that was on That's His Nephew. Oh, nice.
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  Speaker 1: Lieutenant Max Nugent. Yeah. Who was– an officer in the
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: Australian army and he passed away in a helicopter crash.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: So he is our, he's our hero. So we're excited
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: to have him. Nice to have him there. Yeah. It's nice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He's cool. He's got a, he seems like a neat guy.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: So I'm sure we'll get to know, uh, channel some
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: thoughts and feelings and energy from him over the years.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: But anyway, thank you both for your service. Uh, congratulations
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  Speaker 1: on your move and you look lovely and I wish
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  Speaker 1: you a beautiful, a second half of your life as
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: it evolves. Thank you for bringing your daughter. And, um,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: We got you guys set up for dinner tonight over
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: at 1230 Club. That'll be fun. That's lovely.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate you. Thank you so much.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Lovely to meet you.
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  Speaker 4: Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh,
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  Speaker 4: but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: of mind I found I can feel it in my
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  Speaker 4: bones Thank you.