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Uncle Headless' Magical Mailbag- The Jupiter Kamea & Angelic Seal and More · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 2: I think what I all right? All right, welcome everybody. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: we're back again with another headlessess magical nail bag. Go
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  Speaker 2: ahead and like the stream, share this with your friends,
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  Speaker 2: get this out there. I've got a special gift from
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  Speaker 2: Truth and Dies. She made a Obelisk T shirt. This
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  Speaker 2: is from the Obelisk painting that I made and she
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  Speaker 2: made her version of it. It's got that nice little
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  Speaker 2: spiral in there as well. So I want to say
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  Speaker 2: thank you again to Truth and Dies. Oh yeah, this
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  Speaker 2: is amazing. Thank you so much. So we've got a
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  Speaker 2: special program. I'm going to get into a little of
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  Speaker 2: why I call myself the Headless Giant tonight, because apparently
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  Speaker 2: that's not really well known. And Nick, you've got your symbol.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's go with that first.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, awesome, all right, here we go. Uh well,
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  Speaker 3: oh you even pulled it upright, beautiful?
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, symbol that is the uh the Jupiter come air
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  Speaker 3: and an angelic seal or you know, the planetary square is.
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  Speaker 1: Also used to that, which I will show. Maybe I
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  Speaker 1: should bring that up first.
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  Speaker 3: Well whatever, Yeah, So the Jupiter planetary square come here,
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  Speaker 3: and it's paired angelic seals. I have covered this kind
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  Speaker 3: of in the past, but uh, I didn't include the
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  Speaker 3: intelligences and the spirit and stuff like that, and I
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  Speaker 3: actually think that stuff is interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Then again, now these are on a silver or breast
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  Speaker 3: as they'll be shown, engraved on one face with a
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  Speaker 3: four x four Jupiter square. Actually, let me get to
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  Speaker 3: the square now, so you guys can all see that,
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  Speaker 3: and that is the square that's one version of to
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  Speaker 3: Hebrew even has the Jupiter sigil on the top.
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  Speaker 1: But there we go. Oh yeah, it's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: better for one to say.
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  Speaker 3: So it's based off of that square as well. It's
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  Speaker 3: a four x four and that is probably due to its.
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  Speaker 1: Correlation.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if it's I would think the four x four
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  Speaker 3: probably would go along with the cabalistic for its sphere
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  Speaker 3: where Jupiter would fall. But then again, as you see,
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  Speaker 3: this came actually from Islamic, so who knows, I could
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  Speaker 3: be wrong, but silver or bread disse engraved on it
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  Speaker 3: with the four x four Jupiter square and on the
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  Speaker 3: other with the seal of Jupiter plus decigils of his
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  Speaker 3: intelligence and spirit. And I will go back to that
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  Speaker 3: after you've seen this, there we go. So the one
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  Speaker 3: with the circle and the xendit that's like the Jupiter sigil,
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  Speaker 3: and then you do also have that the other Jupiter
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  Speaker 3: actual obviously you know, with the planet very sigil, and
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  Speaker 3: then you do have like the intelligences there.
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  Speaker 1: I'll get into that now a little bit more. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the angel Jupiter is Sachiel. Then the intelligence would
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  Speaker 3: be iofl Jaffael, and the spirit would be his mail. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the magic squares weren't born in the Renaissance. They basically
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  Speaker 3: matured in the Islamic world, where you see them on
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  Speaker 3: talismanic shirts and amulets, sometimes stacked with or added with
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  Speaker 3: chronic verses.
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  Speaker 1: Well a famous uh I.
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  Speaker 3: Don't know how to say this, b do u ah
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  Speaker 3: purdo three by three square used for healing by the
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  Speaker 3: later Middle Ages. They're pretty much common in Arabic hanbooks
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  Speaker 3: and then massive Arabic grimore later known in the Latin as.
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  Speaker 1: The Piker tricks, which I'm sure a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: have heard of.
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  Speaker 3: That Jupiter has worked on his day and hour, crowned
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  Speaker 3: with incense and electional timing, which is basically the full
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  Speaker 3: astrological workings that Europeans will translate and use and adopt
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  Speaker 3: later on. The current flow kind of goes into Latin
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  Speaker 3: from Heimrich Cornelius Agrippa. He prints the planetary Tables and
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  Speaker 3: Seals in book two of his three books of the
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  Speaker 3: Occult Philosophy in fifteen thirty three, complete with the table
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  Speaker 3: of Jupiter and the character seals you have of Jupiter,
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  Speaker 3: of the Intelligence of Jupiter, and then of the Spirit
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  Speaker 3: of Jupiter. Grippa's book is kind of a bridge that
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  Speaker 3: the bridge text that like standardized how early modern magicians
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  Speaker 3: met and made and read these signs.
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  Speaker 1: Again, how is it used?
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  Speaker 3: You take to you have that four x four square
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  Speaker 3: That probably is what like might actually make up the
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  Speaker 3: way those sigils were made as well. Now, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 3: you might use this actual symbol right here. You would
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  Speaker 3: probably use it like on your altar if you were formy,
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  Speaker 3: I'll just keep it on the eye. If I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to work with Jupiter, I would probably use this sigil,
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  Speaker 3: and I would be contacting this entity, you know, this spirit,
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  Speaker 3: well actually the intelligence. I wouldn't be messing with the
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  Speaker 3: spirit because the spirit is kind of considered more of
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  Speaker 3: like a raywal catonic force under Jupiter, almost like a demon.
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  Speaker 3: The intelligence is more of like the planet or benevolent
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  Speaker 3: governor that you're dressing when you're doing a ritual, and
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  Speaker 3: the seal is kind of just a planet's general character.
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  Speaker 3: I would be contacting those, probably asking it for something
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  Speaker 3: that has something to do with Jupiter. Stuff could be abundance,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a whole bunch of the spirit. You could
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  Speaker 3: even go with spiritual stuff. So I would use that
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  Speaker 3: kind of to ask that or you deal with that
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  Speaker 3: to get I guess where I'm trying to go. It
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  Speaker 3: could be used kind of like as a talisman in
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  Speaker 3: that sense. I would also sometimes say that like I
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  Speaker 3: could be using that talisman right there to contact Let's say,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I want to contact Jaffael or whatever and
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  Speaker 3: ask it for something.
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  Speaker 1: I then this is how I would do it.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes I would now take that four by four sigil,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm gonna figure out what I'm actually trying to do,
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  Speaker 3: and then I'm gonna make the sigil off of the
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  Speaker 3: four by four because it goes with the Jupiter sigil
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  Speaker 3: and with you know, all everything that I'm trying to obtain.
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  Speaker 3: I will then create a sigil for that and possibly
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  Speaker 3: make that really into the talisman that I'm gonna use
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  Speaker 3: that maybe carry around with me where or whatever it's for,
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  Speaker 3: or amulant or something. It could even be like you know,
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  Speaker 3: anything like even a root bottle or something like that,
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  Speaker 3: stuff with herbs and incense in it or satchel. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's how I would probably normally use it. Long story short,
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  Speaker 3: and again you know who made them originally came Arabic
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  Speaker 3: compilers and practitioners gave a kind of came up with
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  Speaker 3: it in the past, and then Heinrich Cornelis.
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  Speaker 1: Agrippa popularized it.
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  Speaker 3: And then you start seeing what I'm showing you here,
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  Speaker 3: which I can go through.
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  Speaker 1: Those start popping up around.
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  Speaker 3: The sixteenth and eighth between the sixteenth and eighteenth century
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  Speaker 3: in uh, kind of like in European areas. So and
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  Speaker 3: then then of course the British Museum has a few
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  Speaker 3: if you like to take a look at them.
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  Speaker 1: They always got it.
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  Speaker 3: But then again, uh and again, just real quick, the
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  Speaker 3: grim war is the planet's equal offices, and each office
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  Speaker 3: has three faces the planet Jupiter. That's why you have
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  Speaker 3: one sigitl, the intelligence that's the angelic governor, and then
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  Speaker 3: the spirit that is like the wild planetary power what
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  Speaker 3: you would normally constrain in the gatia. And then just
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  Speaker 3: again real quick, you could inscribe Jupiter's table and seals
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  Speaker 3: time the work to Jupiter's day and hour, which would
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  Speaker 3: be Thursday. Sometimes some people might say sunrise hour is best.
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  Speaker 3: And then I would petition Jaffael maybe with psalms and
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  Speaker 3: divine names or you know whatever. And then I would,
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  Speaker 3: you know, try to do what I guess whatever I'm
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  Speaker 3: trying to do. And uh, that's kind of like you know,
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  Speaker 3: names and number and time conformed the operating kind of
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  Speaker 3: operating planetary table that you will find like in the
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  Speaker 3: Pikatrix and Agrippa. Basically what I just said, that's exactly
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  Speaker 3: how they're pretty much, I don't need to do it.
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  Speaker 3: And then like again, uh, I guess after you do that,
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  Speaker 3: it can be used as a talisman or whatever. So
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  Speaker 3: uh yeah, that's it out of me. I'll show you
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  Speaker 3: some of the other images, though, I have one that's
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  Speaker 3: completely an Hebrew. Well, this is one I think that
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  Speaker 3: is interesting, and it does have again the Jupiter sigil
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  Speaker 3: up there as well the four by four that would
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  Speaker 3: go with it. That's Mercury that's interesting. But Mercury is
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  Speaker 3: also Jupiter would be a hierarchical yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Angel and Jupiter, right, So they say in the orphic
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  Speaker 2: him to Mercury, they call him the loosener and the
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  Speaker 2: source of game. I really like that imagery. So he's
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  Speaker 2: not only the one that is loosening the satchel around
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  Speaker 2: your belt and dropping coins all over the floor, he's
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  Speaker 2: also the guy who's giving those coins to the next
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  Speaker 2: guy in line who's going to pick them up. So
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  Speaker 2: he's the loosener and the source of day.
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  Speaker 1: One thing too.
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  Speaker 3: That is also just to mention that I've noticed even
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  Speaker 3: in my own this is Jupiter or Mercury tend to
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  Speaker 3: like really work well together. There's a lot of things
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  Speaker 3: that Mercury could be good for, like you know, a
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  Speaker 3: writing or intelligence or speech, a little bit of business,
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  Speaker 3: and then Jupiter can be good for like abundance. So
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  Speaker 3: I mean you could even be trying to like abundance
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  Speaker 3: of ten intelligence, abundance of knowledge, speech, or you know,
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  Speaker 3: abundance of money of course, but you know they do
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  Speaker 3: tend to which I'm wondering why if you have both
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  Speaker 3: on there, because I mean, technically, like I said, Jupiter
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  Speaker 3: is looked at mercury as a higher arc in the
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  Speaker 3: occult sometimes, but they both work well, Like I know,
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  Speaker 3: a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Of people just use them together because they just really
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  Speaker 1: work well together. So it's interesting to see something like this.
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  Speaker 3: I'm wondering if it's just you know, a known thing
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  Speaker 3: that they can work well together depending on what you're
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  Speaker 3: working with.
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  Speaker 1: And then this is another version.
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  Speaker 2: Ask for abundance. Oh yeah, yeah, for abundance, Mercury is
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  Speaker 2: going to be the guy to get it to you.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like this is the delivery guy for the
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  Speaker 2: abundance that you want.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, he's coming down from Jupiter.
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  Speaker 3: And right, this is it in a Hebrew. It may
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  Speaker 3: look like there's more than four lines in there, but
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  Speaker 3: there's like a little it's it's the fall by four square,
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  Speaker 3: but just in Hebrew, and signs and sybils, sigils like
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  Speaker 3: other things added into it. But it is considered the
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  Speaker 3: fall by four square and Hebrew. And then I had
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  Speaker 3: this one again.
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  Speaker 2: Now are these the same every time or do they
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  Speaker 2: change based off of what your needs are? In this?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say for some people they were probably
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  Speaker 3: my opinion, you could change.
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  Speaker 1: That stuff like for me.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes I would like, I may only have just like
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  Speaker 3: one of the sigils really like sometimes I would with
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  Speaker 3: certain things angels that I did work with. Oftenly I
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  Speaker 3: would actually get like a wooden uh, like a wooden
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  Speaker 3: disc from like Michael's a fucking hobby lobby and I
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  Speaker 3: had a wood engraver and burner and I would literally,
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  Speaker 3: you know, draw the shit on there and I burn
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  Speaker 3: on it. It's just to me was more it's magical
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  Speaker 3: or more like I was really putting my intent and
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  Speaker 3: really focusing. So I would reuse that if it was
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  Speaker 3: something I was going to reuse of, and I would
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  Speaker 3: just make one. So I'll to keep on making these
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  Speaker 3: motherfuckers every time I want to. And I would leave
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  Speaker 3: less stuff on there and maybe get a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more detailed in other ways depending on what I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to do. So long story short, I can see other people, yes,
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  Speaker 3: putting a changing what's around it depending on what you're
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  Speaker 3: If you want to get very specific on certain things,
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  Speaker 3: I would think so right, and.
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  Speaker 2: The characters inside of those squares, those are going to
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  Speaker 2: be adding up to the jamatria on the different lines
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  Speaker 2: and the different directions with the numbers that you're trying
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  Speaker 2: to use to invoke Jupiter. Now, as we were going
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  Speaker 2: over on seven seven seven, there's a different frame of
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  Speaker 2: consciousness that Israel Regardi was talking about that comes along
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  Speaker 2: with jamatria. So it's not just the numbers. There's also
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  Speaker 2: a different element of shifting conscious and that's a big
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  Speaker 2: part of magic as well.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, who's to see this planetary square isn't something
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  Speaker 3: that's actually supposed to be like in a three D form,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you know what I'm saying likes to explain.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, well, in the case of because anachi in
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  Speaker 2: magic is highly similar to the same sort of style
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  Speaker 2: as solomonic magic. Right, So you've got these four tablets,
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  Speaker 2: which represent the four kingdoms or the four elements, right,
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  Speaker 2: and then in the middle you've got this cross, and
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  Speaker 2: on the cross that's where you have the holy divine
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  Speaker 2: names of the upper ones. But in each one of
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  Speaker 2: those squares, you've got four different influences on each one
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  Speaker 2: of those squares, So each one of the quadrants are
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  Speaker 2: subdivided over and over and over again until you've got
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  Speaker 2: all of these angels and all of the different hierarchies
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  Speaker 2: filling up this one massive square. And then that's been
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  Speaker 2: changed into cards, it's been changed into tables, it's been
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  Speaker 2: changed into a lot of other things. But that's the
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  Speaker 2: basic sort of map or geography of the different hierarchies
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  Speaker 2: within Anachian magic. Is. It's very similar to the idea,
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  Speaker 2: but they shifted up a little bit. It's same methodology, though,
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  Speaker 2: well I brought this one, this one right over again
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  Speaker 2: by Crowley. This is the Bornless One, right, so in
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  Speaker 2: in the PGM, which is a mixture of Hebrew, Greek,
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  Speaker 2: and Egyptian forms of magic that were recording to second
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  Speaker 2: century papyri. Right, so, they had this ritual called the
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  Speaker 2: Bornless One, where this god shown here is considered the
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  Speaker 2: god above all other gods. Right in this PGM, you
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  Speaker 2: discover this guy, this Bornless One, and apparently he's above
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  Speaker 2: everybody else, and there's no other reference to him in
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  Speaker 2: any other literature anywhere in the world. So that's sort
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  Speaker 2: of why I took the name Headless Giant is because
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  Speaker 2: this is sort of like that bornless energy that you know,
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  Speaker 2: isn't really talked about in a lot of other locations,
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  Speaker 2: but apparently they referenced it heavily in the PGM. Here's
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  Speaker 2: a modernized version of it, because you know, for some reason,
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  Speaker 2: magicians are the worst fucking artists, with rare exceptions. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not that great of an artist, but if you
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  Speaker 2: look up his work, it's just phenomenal. Right, and he
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  Speaker 2: worked with a lot of chaost magic. But Crowley was
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  Speaker 2: a terrible, terrible artist. But here's an updating form and
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  Speaker 2: so you see the canduce this over here, you see
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  Speaker 2: this other I think I'm not sure what type of
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  Speaker 2: flower that is, but you could kind of see that
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  Speaker 2: flower in his hand over here. But all of this
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  Speaker 2: would be the formulation of how he's brought together. And
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  Speaker 2: you know he's sort of larger than life. But again
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  Speaker 2: you see the black sun right there at the headspace,
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  Speaker 2: which is yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It was wonder that's what that was. Actually that's my
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  Speaker 3: first thought. But I'm like I always go there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of weird, huh. Like you see the similarity, folks,
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  Speaker 2: that's it's not a coincidence, you know what's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Like to me, when you were seeing the boneless one,
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  Speaker 3: I was even thinking like that reminds me of like
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  Speaker 3: the darkness be like eyein einsoft iron soft er, you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe like before Ketherler like depending on how you're looking
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  Speaker 3: at it, you know, on the tree. But then and
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  Speaker 3: then if it's something I don't know, then when you're
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  Speaker 3: still talking about the black Sun, to me, that's like
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  Speaker 3: the space in between I don't know, it's have to explain.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, maybe there's something.
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  Speaker 2: That well, there's so much in that image that sort
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  Speaker 2: of like it brings to mine like the Titans. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So this is a larger than life character. He's massive
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  Speaker 2: over top of the land, but almost nobody can see him,
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  Speaker 2: and he's he's he doesn't have a head, so it's
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  Speaker 2: almost like he's existing in the space of the unknown, right,
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  Speaker 2: so you don't know where you're at or what's going
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  Speaker 2: on with it. It's sort of like it reminds me
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the Lovecraft demons, right, so this would
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  Speaker 2: be like an elder god of the Lovecraft sort of ilk,
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  Speaker 2: you know, instead of being one of the mad ones
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  Speaker 2: like Cuthulhu and all the rest of the other ones,
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  Speaker 2: this would be sort of like the elder gods that
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  Speaker 2: slew them and put them underground, but still sort of
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  Speaker 2: a Titanic concept, it says The Boornless Rite, also known
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  Speaker 2: as the Preliminary Invocation of the gueria. That was on purpose. Again,
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  Speaker 2: they took that from the PGM, from the originates from
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  Speaker 2: the Greco Egyptian Pupiri Graycia Magici, a collection of ancient
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  Speaker 2: spells compiled between the second century and the fifth century CE.
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  Speaker 2: It was initially used as an exorcism and healing, invoking
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  Speaker 2: the headless one acefalos in Greek to banish negative influences
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  Speaker 2: and purify the practitioner and the surroundings. The ritual original
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  Speaker 2: purpose was to exercise a demon from another person by
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  Speaker 2: first calling on the acefalos and then assuming the form,
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  Speaker 2: effectively becoming the divine entity to perform the exorcism. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if you've been watching our shows about the Orgy and
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  Speaker 2: Elucitian mystery schools, you know that possession was a big
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  Speaker 2: part of that as well. So in the PGM they're
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  Speaker 2: just openly saying this is how you become possessed by
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  Speaker 2: this thing, the ritual. Oh, here we go, let me see.
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  Speaker 2: The reinterpretation transformed the ritual from an external exorcism into
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  Speaker 2: a form of self exorcism where the practitioner purifies their
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  Speaker 2: own being to become a vessel for the divine facilityating
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  Speaker 2: the knowledge and conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel. This
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  Speaker 2: adaptation became central to Thelematic and Hermetic practices, particularly within
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  Speaker 2: the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and Crowley's Astromargentum.
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  Speaker 2: The ritual involves a series of invocations using including the
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: use of barbarous names. Right, that's something you'll find in
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: these magic books. You're not supposed to let it throw
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: you off. Those are just sounds you're supposed to be making.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Those are all that is so. And just belt it
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: out too, if you ever do them, Just belt it out.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: You'll feel better after you do. They are nonsense syllables
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: believed to hold power, declaration of divine authority, and a
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: shift in perspective where the practitioner speaks as the divine
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: entity itself. The text, formally titled the Stella of the
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Hieroglyphists in his Letter, includes references to Moses and the
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: ceremonies of Israel, indicating Jewish influence and employees aims like
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: oser On, no Forus and Fatro, which some scholars link
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: to Egyptian deities. The ritual concludes with a preliminary rite
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: involving writing names on a piece of paper, extending it
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: across the forehead while facing north, commanding the spirits to
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: be obedient. Crowley expanded the ritual into liber samech, emphasizing
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: the role in spiritual transformation and the attainment of ecstatic
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: union with the divine. He recommended a rigorous schedule of
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: daily practice over several months to achieve desired results. The
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: ritual is now widely used in modern occult traditions for
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: spiritual purification, self empowerment, and establishing the connection with one's
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: who own sell or Holy Guardian Angel ritual HGA. So
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: what do you think on that, Nick?
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought it up, because, like you were
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: saying before, most people, I mean, well, that's weird. Like
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: for me, I knew of the PGM actually that stuff like,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: so when I came across Crowley's you know version, I
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: was like, this sounds like really fun, familiar and uh
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: you know, I you know, I eventually came across that.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: But I have used it myself before a long time ago.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: It's it's rather drawn out. I mean not drawn out,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: it's just very long for somebody Like I'm so anal.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: I didn't like really stuff on my ultra so I
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: was going to have to memorize it.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to reach it. It's very long.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: So that was not one that I could memorize. So
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: it was like something that I would have to read of.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: But for me, when I did use it, uh, I
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: would say it was almost very the feeling that I
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: dive from theater, like you were saying yourself, you know, Uh,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: it was, it's it's something, it's uh, what's the word
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: I'm looking for.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: I definitely kind of got something. I felt something from it.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it was because of you know,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: the intentions, you know, I don't know. Like for me,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: if I was going to do something long and drawn
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: out like that, I better like make sure I'm really
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: into what I want to do, you know, so I
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: probably am, but uh yeah, A long story short. I
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: it was very close to like when I would do
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: theogy and I would I don't know how to explain.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: It's like I would feel something within that felt good,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I would. I felt that very close to it.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Now did you were you working on the HGA or
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: was that not in your your wheelhouse?
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: No?
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: No, I mean it was something I had thought about
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: working towards in like certain ways. I like, yeah, I
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: look back at it now, like there was like maybe
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: times I was doing stuff that would be suggested to do,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: but I wasn't like trying to like actually think like, oh,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: this is what I'm doing. But no, it was definitely
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: something that was I mean it suggested. That's what I mean,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, if you're in ceremonial magic, especially if
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: you're in like some sort of order, I would assume that,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: like they're part of your deal is that you're supposed
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: to come in contact with the Holy Gardian Angel. So
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: it was definitely something that I knew who was going
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: to have to be worked on at some point.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Right, it's a it's a very long drawn out process.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: But if you're doing the Head or the Bornless right
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: every day as part of that, at dawn, man, that's
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of work, you know. But I think the
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: dawn part is the thing you need to take away
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: from this stuff is because if you're trying to do
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: these rituals, the best time of day to get it
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: started is right at dawn. So if you're if you're
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: doing any sort of ritual or any kind of self
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: affirmation process. The dawn light is much more beneficial to
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: you body, mind and spirit than pretty much any other
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: time of day when you're doing the stuff. So get
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: up really early, super early, and you'll actually see the auras.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: If you're sitting out there at dawn, just pay attention
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: to your environment. You'll start to see oor is a
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: lot cleaner and a lot clearer. If you're doing that
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: sort of thing at dawn, if you're doing the ore
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: of viing, then so give it a try. Get out there,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: and I mean, look, that's when everything's happening. Anyway. The
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: rest of your day is going to be predicated based
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: off of the dawn. You've heard the saying red Sky
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: in mourning sailors take warning Red Sky at night Sailor's delight.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: You could see everything you need to about the coming
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: day and everything that's going to happen, just by watching
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: the dawn and paying attention to the patterns that you
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: see there. You've also got Augury, which is the study
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: of the birds. Is they're flying in their murmurations right.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: They actually have a special Augury wand I'll bring that
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: next week. They have a special Augury wand that the
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Roman augury priests would use. It's like a big spiral thing.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: You'd love it, dude, But that's what they would use
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to help them tell the future based off of the birds.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: This is also where you get the auspices. But its uh.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I think if you're going to do any sort of divination,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: any sort of magic, get up at dawn. That's that's
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: the way to do it, I think pretty much always.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: So I've got you know real quick, I just want
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: to mention this real quick. It's so funny because it's
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: been so long ago. I totally fucking forgot about this.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: That's gonna sound like I'm making it up. I remember
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: actually at one point, fuck, I don't think I have
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: anything any of my old like magical books or books
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: that I was writing shit in. I know at one
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: point I actually took phrases from Crowley's kind of version
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: and the original I might have used like maybe I
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: don't know, eight lines are kind of the same idea,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: and I actually incorporated that into my own opening, but
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: it was it was pulled from those because like to me,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: it was kind of like, you know, I don't know.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: To me, it just makes sense if you're trying to
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: do something big you would kind of open up with that,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So or for me, if
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: I'm looking to make conscious contact with God, I got
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: to put myself into the space to where I'm there, right,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it is it is again. It is a
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: it's an impressive piece of work, I think.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: And we got a petroglyodite in the chat there, so
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: he's uh, he's done a bunch of magic with this stuff.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: We've got to get you back on again, Matt. It's
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: always fun to have you on. But yeah, if if
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: you want to know about magic, there are people out
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: there who know, but you might not know it at first. Okay,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: keep that in mind.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Oh Yo, When I was in the Oto, there was teachers, doctors, lawyers,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: there was people that you know, I would talk about like,
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: you know, you know some people I myself when I
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: was younger, I had a certain look. Uh you know,
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: people are into the e cults sometimes have a certain look.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: But there was people in there that you would just
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: be like wow, like you just walk through the door,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: you know, it's very It's like you look like you
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: should be in church actually down the block for real. Yeah,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: So it was it's you never know.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Right right, And one of the things is you can't
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: erase their own personal experiences with magic, like if they
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: if they've seen something with it, you know, they might
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: not be the people you think they are. So a
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: lot of times that's.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting too.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: A few of the people that actually looked completely fucking
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: normal were also in the Temple of Set. So even
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: think of that, you got no fucking idea. You're standing
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: next to some dude that's in both those orders.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Well, if they're in the Temple of Set, they've got
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: to be associated with the d D. You know, they've
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: got to be pretty straight laced, because all the people
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: in Temple of Set are d D. Like it's barn.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: They're all part of the Department of Defense. Well, I
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: guess it's Department of War now, which you know now
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: it's more appropriate for Set.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Oh jeez.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: So I got this email from Chris Usa. Growing up
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: at the time, I was unaware that my grandmother and
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: great grandmother were into the craft, so we all saw
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: things that were that was supernatural. Here's some stories that
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: really stuck out to me and wanted to share. Growing up,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I would see gnomes in my room from time to time,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: they would always be walking into my closet and one
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: day actually turned to me with an angry face for
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: a split second and then proceeded to walk back in
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: line into my closet. And I like being seen. Films
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: are especially grumpy when you see them.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I grew up with.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: My size Barbie, and I would always have nightmares of
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: that doll. One day, when I was getting ready for school,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: the doll turned demonic and turned to me with a
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: sinister look. I ran into the westroom to get my
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: mom and she was super freaked out and we started
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: started yelling at me to stop lying. Shortly after that,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: we threw it in the dumpster. I swear I would
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: still feel that doll was around. Look out for the
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: life sized dolls. Those are the strangest ones there are.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: You know, like voter dolls that's not very strange, But
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: a life size doll that's a horse of a different color.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: When I was a kid, I had like one of those.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: It was almost the same type of that was like
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: from fucking polta Guy. So you know how those long
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: lanky legs that should fucking creep me the fuck out.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: After I saw that movie, and the thing I sat
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: in a chair in my room, so I'd stare at me, like.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: This thing is gonna come to life like that movie Wow.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Dolls. Yes, they tried to sell dolls. Yeah, they tried
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: to sell dolls the boys and there was only one line. No.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I guess they had those monster dolls as well as
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: well as the wrestling dolls. Right, yeah, those are the best.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: You put them on the trampoline, oh childhood. Anyways, it's known,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: uh so, not that big of a deal. But I
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: would see the man with the cowboy hat in our hallway.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: He would always stand there and seem to want to
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: get my attention. Never said anything, but would just stand
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: there and then walk away. Man with the cowboy that
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: kind of sounds like a shadow Man type figure. I'm
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: not sure what it consisted of, but you know, you've
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: got the bowler cap that's associated with the shadow Man,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: kind of like that mcgreet.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Painting motherfucker from Jojia.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Could be. That's when you got to check those those
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: cowboy hats. Make sure you know the color of the
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: cowboy hat. But uh yeah, so what do you think
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: pretty freaky sty.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Whose story was that? Somebody that we know I'm sorry,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I don't remember that.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's her. Her user name is k r y
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: s U s.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah. She told me she was going
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: to send it in. That's right, I sent the stickers.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Yes, awesome, nice, that's awesome. That was actually enjoyed that one.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: I guess maybe identified it with creepy dolls, you know,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: like creepy stuffed animals.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: That shit freaked me out too as a kid.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: That's the model. If you got a bunch of different
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: stories and you don't want to just go on and
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: on forever, just consolidate them all into one email and
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: then we'll read them here so you will get stickers.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: So I think I hated all of them actually because
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: I had like Reggedy Ann and Angy, and those motherfuckers
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: creeped me out too.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Maybe it was just that movie pulled the guys. I
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: just assumed everything in my room was going to.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Come to life. Now that looked like the doll. I
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: was like, you gotta go.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: It just happen, right, because I mean, think about it.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Dolls would be jealous of people to an extreme degree
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: because you're ambulatory, and then they get pissed off, and
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: then the energy builds up and then you have something
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: fall over. So I think there is something to the
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: idea that stuff that looks like another thing has a
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: little piece of that thing as well. You know, it's
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: some kind of a little spark of similarity that sort
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: of imbuse it with kind of a quasi life. You know,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: have you ever heard of the Philip Experiments?
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: You know, I remember the name.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: It probably could have been from you, but I honestly
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: I don't remember what it is. Enlighten me pleisa.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Well it was it was a group of Canadian culpits
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: and they had what they called the Philip Experiments, where
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: they did a seance to reach a person that never existed, right,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: And they named him Phillip, and they said that he's
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: from the seventeen hundreds, and they planned his whole backstory out,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: and they wanted to contact fictional character from the seventeen hundreds,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and they tried for over a year to get in
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: contact with this spirit that they just made up. Well,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: they sort of created this aggregre and they didn't really
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: seal the deal. So they started making the seance room
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: look like the seventeen hundreds as well, right, so they
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: started decorating it differently. This goes straight back into ritual
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: magic as well. Right, if you're going to be contacting
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: spirits that have affinity for certain colors and certain sounds
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: and all the rest of the stuff, you better have
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: the sounds around because that's what's going to get their
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: attention as well as get your own attention. Right, there's
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: multiple models of how magic works, but you better have
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: the stuff that they're having affinity with because that's the
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: best way to get their attention. So after they started
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: decking this place out with all of this stuff from
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: the seventeen hundreds or what they thought was the Victorian era,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: that's when they got in contact with this fictional spirit.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: So they created him over a year of doing seances,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: and once they changed the decor, that's when they actually
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: got in contact with them. But if you guys aren't aware,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: look up the Philip experiments because it'd be shocked. I
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: think it's a eggergore creation or Tolpa creation.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: M I think election times what's that?
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Hey?
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: So do you get a lot of those around Election
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Times's big.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Time, you get multiple ones.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: It's it's when they dust off the old eggregar. I mean,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: how many different how many different times has president said
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: that he's going to make America great again?
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Now this this goes right back to our jamati for all.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: You know, it's the same fucking energetic value, just a
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: different way of saying it over and over and over again.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Like you said, you just wake it up the old one,
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: just you know, different way of saying it.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Maga is just another way of saying magus or magician.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: You know, everybody freaks out that the highest level of
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: the Temple of Set or Church of Satan has a
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: maga as the person who's in charge or whatever. But
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: it's it's just another word for magus or magician. And
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: if you've got a guy who's sporting the mega make
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: America great again, it has a crossover, it has irrelevance,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: it has the association. Right, this is what the Greeks
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: were talking about when they were doing their their association fields.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: It's what we're going to be talking about in this
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: book as well when we do our seven seven seven.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: So these associations have a deeper value than what most
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: people ascribe to them. And what we say is always
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: like a conspiracy might actually be a coincidental, you know,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: circumstance where the gods are showing you their fingers, right,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: So maybe conspiracy is just another word for fingers of God.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: You know, it's breathing together, inspiration, epiphany. All of these
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: things have to do with bringing in the spirits. You know,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: the inspire means to breathe together.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: That was a you know again even going by like
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: what we're saying with like things equaling all this stuff,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: that was something I was saying maybe year and a half,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: two years ago. I think it might have been like
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: with Gilgo Beach and some other reason why. Around that time,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: I was working on Jamatri for something. I remember at
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: that point it was like I started thinking this because
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: I was seeing why I was running this stuff. It
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: was atching so many things that are also going on
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: with Trump and Elon Musk. Certain phrases Mari Lago constantly
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: coming up so like specific things to do with them,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, yo, I'm like what the fuck?
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: What?
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Like this is really weird, Like all these things are popular.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Phrases are popular in the fucking news right now, it's
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: all being repeated. I found that weird.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: You know. I just wonder if there's something behind that.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I think in some ways, if you think about
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: number as being the realm of the gods, then what
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: you're doing is you're getting these messages that may be
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: unrelated to the event that you're talking about as sort
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: of like hey, look here's here's a way of decoding this.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: We're giving it to you in the form of numbers.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: In this murder trial, like.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: I remember when we're covering something that's when Mari a
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Lago I think, was getting rated.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: So it was just like it was Mari Lago Mariloa fucking.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Constantly and I was like, oh, this this is is weird.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: This is actually being said right now, like.
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  Speaker 2: Constantly, right right. And that was a big fiasco too,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: just like gil Go Beach should have been. Like there's
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of parallels between what was going on
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: in Gilgo Beach and what was going on in the
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: FBI at the time, because you know, it was the
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Foxes investigating the Henhouse in both cases.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: And he's that like another thing where these things pop
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: up and then die out, like You'll go Beach like
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: technically like you don't hear shit about that with like
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: what the hell's going on with that case? You're not
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: hearing anything about it. But for one moment it was
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: like fucking just everywhere and everything that matched it was
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: on and popping, and now it's gone.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: It's weird. Maybe one maybe one hit wonders catch that shit.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: So here's an idea. When you discover a new conspiracy
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: using things like Jamatria or using these free associations and
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: you look into it and you start to find something,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: just say thank you, because that's somebody giving you information
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: about something you have no idea about. So maybe being
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: grateful about the new awareness and knowledge that you get
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: is probably a good way of having it happen again.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's a good point. Or being open to it more,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: not being closed for sure.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: But that's what we need. I mean, we're a society
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: in crisis and we need more people who are open
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: to this type of information so that they can help
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: everybody else out. And it doesn't have to be schitze
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: posting like I do all the time. It could be
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: a lot more subtle and direct.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: You know, true, Or you can ship talk in code.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Shit talking in code is always fun. Hopefully the person
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: you're shit talking knows about it, because then they can
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: decode it. And everybody else will be puzzled.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: I've only done it two times, but there's many times
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: where I have actually, like either misspelled show I actually
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: said specific words. If you can't post on Twitter, I've
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: done that myself twice. Its actually old words all myselfthing
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: else and it looked almost normal, so it can be done.
• 38:05
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• 38:26
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