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X Account Was a No Show So we did something else instead | Fireside Chat 252 · Honey Badger Radio

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, hello and welcome to Honeybager Radio. I
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Speaker 1: didn't do a fireside chat intro because the guest has
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Speaker 1: not shown up. Apparently they talked a big game and
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Speaker 1: they were ready to come on here and demolish everybody,
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Speaker 1: leaving a giant crater where you know, Honey a radio
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Speaker 1: once stood, and they have not shown up. So they're
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Speaker 1: late to our annihilation. And that's fine.
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Speaker 2: We live another day, Brian, Yeah, we get.
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Speaker 1: We get to live on another day. They have another
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Speaker 1: chance to look the ope. The invitation is open. They
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Speaker 1: can come on if they want to. I think that
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Speaker 1: maybe it was one of those things where you know,
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Speaker 1: someone's I don't know the backstory of this, maybe like
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Speaker 1: we could talk about that a little bit, but yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't know the backstory of this. But this person
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Speaker 1: was fighting with you online. And it was about the
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Speaker 1: statistics of sexual assault.
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Speaker 3: I know that much.
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Speaker 2: I was meaning, yeah, yeah, it was. It was the
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Speaker 2: statistics and sexual assault essentially. I have a compilation of
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Speaker 2: statistics that I've been working on for about actually fifteen years.
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Speaker 2: Before then, there wasn't a lot of statistics related to
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Speaker 2: the sexual abuse of men in any capacity. But now
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Speaker 2: they started to seep into the big community surveys and
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Speaker 2: other stuff like that. So I started to compile this
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Speaker 2: stuff because it was painting a vastly different picture than
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Speaker 2: what the feminists were presenting. And so I have a
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Speaker 2: gigantic list that I drop periodically because this was This
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Speaker 2: was my issue that brought me into the men's issues
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Speaker 2: movement and men's rights advocacy was the sexual abuse of
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Speaker 2: men and people who are sexually abused by women, And
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Speaker 2: so this has been my focus in many ways on research.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I've researched almost everything else as well, but
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Speaker 2: this was my thing. And so I do sometimes use
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Speaker 2: my discussions on Twitter, even the controversial ones, as a
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Speaker 2: means to just sort of convey this information and try
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Speaker 2: to put it out there in whatever way I can.
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Speaker 2: And this individual and he sorry, he is not the
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Speaker 2: first feminist to do that. He said that he was
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Speaker 2: going to destroy my stats live and I said, okay,
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Speaker 2: you want to come on and here we are and
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Speaker 2: uh and uh. A bit prior to that, there have
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Speaker 2: been other feminists who've taken a stab at it. In
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Speaker 2: one in particular was really notable. It was like a
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Speaker 2: couple months ago she was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: rip these things apart. I am, I'm sharpening my pencil.
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Speaker 2: You're gonna go down. And she ended up going through
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Speaker 2: all of them and she found I have to thank
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Speaker 2: her for this because she found an updated stat that
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Speaker 2: confirmed one of the older stats that I had put up,
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Speaker 2: and she actually presented it like this disproves you, And
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Speaker 2: I'm like, have you actually read this, because look, just
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Speaker 2: one line below says exactly what the older stat that
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Speaker 2: I was using said. And so I actually used her
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Speaker 2: stat and put it in my updated list. So thank you.
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Speaker 2: Any other feminist who wants to go after this list
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Speaker 2: and help me improve it and make it better and
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Speaker 2: more comprehensive, feel free, because that seems to be the
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Speaker 2: ultimate thing that happens. And I think this particular poster
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Speaker 2: wanted to specifically go after the use of There was
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Speaker 2: one finding where millennial women use weapons about two or
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Speaker 2: three times more often to force sex, which is the
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Speaker 2: FBI definition of rape by the way. Yeah, and they
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Speaker 2: wanted to look at the fact that that survey used
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Speaker 2: an m turk sample, which is like this mechanical turk.
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Speaker 2: It's like an online sampling like people are paid to
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Speaker 2: take surveys. But the problem is that the m Turk
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Speaker 2: survey or the system is actually more accurate to the
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Speaker 2: general population of the US than the usual undergraduate student
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Speaker 2: surveys that they do. That the limitations are is that
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Speaker 2: the m Turk survey tends to be more urban, more liberal,
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Speaker 2: and younger than the population of the US. So the
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Speaker 2: researchers in that particular study said, Okay, well, this is
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Speaker 2: a limitation of the M Turk and then all of
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Speaker 2: the feminists have misunderstanding what limitations mean, have lashed on
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Speaker 2: to say, oh, this is invalid. I'm like, no, it's no,
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Speaker 2: it's actually less invalid than all of the feminist studies
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Speaker 2: that just do undergraduate students, because this is a better sample.
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Speaker 2: But what they're saying is that the next time you
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Speaker 2: want to do and try to look into this issue,
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Speaker 2: choose a different sample sampling method, choose a different sample
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Speaker 2: pool to strengthen findings and be able to send it
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Speaker 2: more to the general population of the US. I argue
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Speaker 2: that and argued that it did not penetrate. But which
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Speaker 2: is one of the problems that I'm finding is that
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Speaker 2: I don't think these individuals who try to annihilate these
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Speaker 2: statistics actually really understand the science at all. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I am a lay person, but I've been following this
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Speaker 2: for a long time, so you know, I understand. And
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Speaker 2: also I have gone through a master's degree. I did
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Speaker 2: do a a thesis and you know all of that stuff. Now,
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Speaker 2: I didn't do my own original research, so I don't
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Speaker 2: know necessarily all the ins and outs of creating a study,
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Speaker 2: but I know how to read them, you know, and anyway,
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Speaker 2: so that's what's going on. I'm sorry, guys, we.
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Speaker 3: Got we mean, they bitched out.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because they got lazy or
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Speaker 1: because they got cold feet or whatever. They don't know
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Speaker 1: how to use zoom because all you do is click
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Speaker 1: on the link and then you get you know, you
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Speaker 1: have an account, you get in. But they were last
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Speaker 1: time I spoke to them, they were whining that I
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Speaker 1: didn't use discord to do this, and I said, Zoom
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Speaker 1: is okay, and they were like okay. So yeah, I
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Speaker 1: think it's just excuse making. I don't know if we're
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Speaker 1: going to see them, but it doesn't look like it.
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Speaker 1: So I could send them a taunt if you like.
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Speaker 1: I could taunt them them a second tune their.
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Speaker 2: Father was the hamster, and their mother smelled of eld
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Speaker 2: the berries.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to I.
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Speaker 1: Don't want to do an homonyms, but but yeah, I
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Speaker 1: mean i'm a little I'm a little annoyed because you know,
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Speaker 1: we have yeah that was this that was supposed to
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Speaker 1: be today's show.
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Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, I guess.
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Speaker 2: So trusting some random on the internet. I mean, I
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Speaker 2: have something we could respond to. It's a little bit
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Speaker 2: of a topic shift. I could upload it and you
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Speaker 2: could take a look, Brian, and you could see if
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Speaker 2: this is worth it.
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Speaker 1: We could even Yeah, I don't know if I can
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Speaker 1: display it.
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Speaker 3: I'd have to let me see.
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Speaker 1: I'd have to create a new scene so that we
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Speaker 1: can put it up and look at it. And that's
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Speaker 1: the that's the trick. Oh well, yeah there is something
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Speaker 1: I can do. I can because this is a I
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Speaker 1: have like a display capture running. That's how we're doing
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Speaker 1: Zoom meetings. Because Zoom doesn't let you like, it doesn't
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Speaker 1: let you capture the window. It's I don't know what
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Speaker 1: it is about Zoom. They're just super like protective of
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Speaker 1: their shit.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, we can't just switch over to Ninja.
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Speaker 1: Uh No, I mean if we do there. Yeah, because
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Speaker 1: it's like a whole different I said, it's a whole different.
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Speaker 2: Set of streaming. Switch over and then bring me in right.
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Speaker 3: Hmmm.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I can see. The thing is
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Speaker 1: I have a scene collection. I don't think I can
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Speaker 1: change seeing collections. I don't know what will happen if.
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Speaker 3: I do it.
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Speaker 1: I feel like it's gonna stop the stream. So I
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Speaker 1: can add a scene in here and display like I
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Speaker 1: could add a scene and display a window, but it'll
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Speaker 1: be on top of us and then like take it
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Speaker 1: away when we talk.
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Speaker 3: That's basically what I can do. So are you.
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Speaker 1: Talking about the the pregnancy test?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the pregnancy Yeah. Me and Karen are arguing
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Speaker 2: about the pregnancy. I don't know what it is. I
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Speaker 2: did not say that these women were bad women. I
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Speaker 2: was actually relatively indifferent the fact that they're all taking
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Speaker 2: a pregnancy test together, and just the idea of that
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Speaker 2: raises the hair on the back of my neck. But
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Speaker 2: I'm I know that I'm a fairly private person and
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Speaker 2: a bit of a germophobe. So aside from that, it's like,
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Speaker 2: and I even said in my retweet, I think this
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Speaker 2: is benign, but on the other hand, like, you know,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys who don't they just don't
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Speaker 2: like it.
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Speaker 3: And let me see if I can find the Oh,
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Speaker 3: I thought that's what you were getting.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I sent it to you. This was
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Speaker 2: a this is a I mean, honestly, I think that
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Speaker 2: that's just I can't bring myself to care too much. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I think it's just young people maybe having a little
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Speaker 2: like personally, I would not put that on the internet.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't take pregnancy tests with my friends, and I
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Speaker 2: wouldn't I would be mortified to hand someone something that
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Speaker 2: I peed on and then to just sort of juggle
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Speaker 2: it around and not wash your hands. Okay, that's not
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Speaker 2: something that's not my cup of tea. But I don't
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Speaker 2: have any really strong feelings aside from that. I don't
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Speaker 2: think they're bad people, especially if they're part of like
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Speaker 2: a community that men and women do separate things, you know,
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Speaker 2: or more or a little bit more, you know what
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Speaker 2: I mean, Like men have their roles, women their role
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Speaker 2: and that there's more of an emphasis on the community
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Speaker 2: of men in the community of women in those kinds
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Speaker 2: of communities, So it's a different kind of thing. I
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Speaker 2: think I'd be more judgmental if this was like a
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Speaker 2: bunch of so urban girl women.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think the thing that you sent me,
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Speaker 1: I got it. It's different. It's not different.
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Speaker 2: It's a criticism of the general manisphere.
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Speaker 1: So I can I can add this. But the thing
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Speaker 1: is you won't be able to see it, but I
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Speaker 1: can show it to the audience. All right, well do
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Speaker 1: you want me to do that? And we'll just sir,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you'll be able to hear it.
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Speaker 1: It's a minute and forty seven because the thing is zoom.
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Speaker 3: Let me see, let me know what.
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Speaker 2: Let's let's put it to the chat chat like whether
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Speaker 2: or not because you know, you say, I don't know
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Speaker 2: what's going to happen, and now I want to know
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Speaker 2: what's going to happen. Chat. Do you want us to
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Speaker 2: attempt to make this like more functional for you in
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Speaker 2: terms of the stream, at the risk of annihilating ourselves.
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Speaker 2: I mean we were already risking annihilation because of course
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Speaker 2: the the Internet feminist was going to destroy our genetic
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Speaker 2: line with his yeah you know.
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Speaker 1: Was going to come on here and just like take
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Speaker 1: take us out.
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Speaker 3: But we can happen.
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Speaker 2: So the annihilation could be a result of our armployed
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Speaker 2: choices at this point. So do you want to us
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Speaker 2: to attempt to move over to video Ninja at the
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Speaker 2: potential cost of the stream or do you want us
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Speaker 2: to just just sort of hack through with zoom and
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Speaker 2: zooms lesser abilities? Shall we say?
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Speaker 1: Do we have thirty five people watching and ten watching
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Speaker 1: on the vertical right now? We might lose all of
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Speaker 1: them when I do this, So do you want me to? Okay,
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Speaker 1: So here's what I'll do. I will potentially sign I
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Speaker 1: won't disconnect, but I'll sign out like I'm like I'm
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Speaker 1: ending a show, and then switch it and see if
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Speaker 1: it lets me without dropping everything, okay, And then if
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Speaker 1: it does, then I'll have to jump on video Ninja,
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Speaker 1: which means it'll be some scien don't risk it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I.
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Speaker 2: Think we're gonna do it. Now. We've already we've already initiated.
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Speaker 2: We've already initiated countdown, guys, So goodbye, alright, I'll.
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Speaker 1: Be I'll be right back. I'm gonna try to do this. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's switch it. Mhm kah, all all right, I'm back.
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Speaker 1: Oh shit, that got really loud. All right, So I
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Speaker 1: just need a little bit of time. It didn't disconnect me,
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Speaker 1: which is promising, but it did kind of create some
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Speaker 1: different challenges here. So because this is my life now,
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Speaker 1: all right, so I'm gonna mute this and move it
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Speaker 1: over here, sorry, guys, and.
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Speaker 3: Let me see where is the.
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Speaker 4: There it is?
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Speaker 1: Share that and then grab this link and we'll go
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Speaker 1: into Do Do Do do.
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Speaker 3: This right here. Okay, there you go.
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Speaker 1: So we have our sauce, and now I just need
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Speaker 1: to get Allison's camera in there. So let me just
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Speaker 1: invite her and see if she joins right away, all right,
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Speaker 1: and I can close this so apologize for that. So
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Speaker 1: do you guys see me? Is this working for y'all?
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Speaker 1: Just waiting on Alison to join? Okay, there she is.
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Speaker 3: Let me just let me just yeah, all right, they
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Speaker 3: should be able to hear you shortly. There we go,
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Speaker 3: all right, okay, so they can hear all right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's good now, all right, So that
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Speaker 1: worked out somehow, all right, So it didn't disconnect when
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Speaker 1: I switched. So that's interesting because that that introduces some
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Speaker 1: new possibilities for stuff I could do. I'm not I
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Speaker 1: don't know though, I mean, because I have different scene collections.
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Speaker 2: But if it showed the scene while you were switching,
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Speaker 2: you could always like do a video and.
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Speaker 1: I can make a scene. I can make a scene
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Speaker 1: in all of the collections that's the same. And then
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Speaker 1: what if I need to. I don't want to make
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Speaker 1: this a normal practice because I think it's risky. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: alse you do sound different. I'm using a different microphone now, no,
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Speaker 1: let me see what's going on.
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Speaker 2: Oh I see, yes, here, can you guys still hear me?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? That's better. Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 2: Okay, it just it just auto switched to the the
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Speaker 2: other microphone. So okay, we're back.
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Speaker 3: All right, Well, yeah we are back.
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Speaker 1: So we're gonna be looking at this this Twitter video.
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Speaker 1: So this is the Is this the thing that you
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Speaker 1: that started a conversation that you got into an argument
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Speaker 1: with Karen over?
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Speaker 3: Is this the one?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it's totally different.
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Speaker 3: This is yeah, because I saw this one. I saw.
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Speaker 1: I didn't watch this video, so I don't know what
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Speaker 1: it's what's in it, but I did see that. Like
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Speaker 1: home Math and some other people were commenting on like
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Speaker 1: how harmful the manosphere is. It's just though, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's it's really interesting how everyone's talking about this now,
18:20
Speaker 1: but they're if they're coming at this from a kind
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Speaker 1: of consequentialist perspective, like, OMG, if we don't do something
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Speaker 1: about the men, the men might do something to us.
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Speaker 1: The men might become dangerous, the men might become you know,
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Speaker 1: harmful to women. And it's it's just really funny because
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Speaker 1: it's like it's it's the opposite of the reason why
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Speaker 1: you should be giving a shit in the first place,
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Speaker 1: you know, like you're you're now it's a problem. Like
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Speaker 1: like Shoe on Head just made a video I just
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Speaker 1: watched it's like forty minutes and it's like, OMG, the
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Speaker 1: men are moving right, what do we do? Why don't
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Speaker 1: we care about the men? It's like, yeah, you get
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Speaker 1: what you fucking deserve, Like this this is what like.
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Speaker 1: Now it's a problem. Not because the men are lonely,
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Speaker 1: not because the men are suicidal, not because the men
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Speaker 1: are like, you know, struggling, but because, yeah, because they're
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Speaker 1: actually standing up and saying, you know what I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna do with my life now.
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Speaker 1: And they're like, oh no, And then they're like, why
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Speaker 1: don't we do something to try to like get them
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Speaker 1: to join our side, and it's like, yeah, but it's
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Speaker 1: not about your side, it's about what's.
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Speaker 3: Right, and you're not able to do that.
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Speaker 1: So this is where we are now, and I'm I'm
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Speaker 1: here for it, Like, let's bring it on.
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Speaker 3: You get what you deserve.
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Speaker 2: So well, okay, so I mean there is, but first
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Speaker 2: of all, there's like there's a lot of anger and
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Speaker 2: it's just gonna happen. And I think, I know, I
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Speaker 2: keep readering this and I probably sound like a broken record.
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Speaker 2: I think I predicted this, like and make it well
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Speaker 2: before me. I predicted from maybe from a different angle,
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Speaker 2: but migto, you know, eventually, Actually what occurred to me
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Speaker 2: is that the more men realize there's no women at
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Speaker 2: the end of the rainbow for them, the more they're
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Speaker 2: gonna stop giving a crap what women think. They that
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Speaker 2: we are constructing a world in which there is no
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Speaker 2: benefit for men to abiding with what women think. Like
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Speaker 2: there's just I mean, and I don't mean just benefit
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Speaker 2: as in and everybody's like always makes this really crass.
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Speaker 2: It's sex. It's getting the you know, the slim woman
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Speaker 2: with a zero partners virginal bride. I'm not even talking
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Speaker 2: about that. I'm saying that our society makes it very
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Speaker 2: plain and women are making it very plain that the
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Speaker 2: two things I would say men actually want love, desire,
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Speaker 2: and maybe a third respect are not on offer, you know.
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Speaker 2: And and I mean, the whole conversation around this goes
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Speaker 2: really low, really quickly and becomes very transactional. But I think, ultimately,
20:55
Speaker 2: for how people pair up, people usually choose someone who's
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Speaker 2: about the same attractiveness. They usually use someone who has
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Speaker 2: about the same sexual experience. They usually choose someone who
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Speaker 2: has about the same attitude towards relationship, virtues, ethics, that
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Speaker 2: kind of thing. That's all pretty much a given. So
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Speaker 2: when men say, oh, I want somebody who I find attractive,
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Speaker 2: who has shares my ethics and you if she expects
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Speaker 2: me to lead, I want her to actually follow that
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Speaker 2: kind this is not This is just I them saying
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Speaker 2: I want a relationship, because those things are part of
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Speaker 2: a standard relationship. They're just like i'd like the basic model. Please,
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Speaker 2: it's nothing transactional or mercenary about it. But in addition
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Speaker 2: to that, like what I think men are saying or wanting,
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Speaker 2: and I could be completely wrong, I am speaking for
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Speaker 2: men is again that that triumvirate of love, desire, and respect,
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Speaker 2: and women are not showing like even if the men
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Speaker 2: get the physical features, the the their stuff, the sum
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Speaker 2: total of what I'm seeing women pushing into the noahsphere
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Speaker 2: is that those things are not an offer. That there
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Speaker 2: is no market for that. Well, there's no seller for that.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't exist anymore. And I think that's what men
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Speaker 2: are picking up, is that what they're in it for
22:21
Speaker 2: is not there anymore. I mean, they might be able
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Speaker 2: to get a like a physical shell, but at that point,
22:28
Speaker 2: why don't you just get a sex spot? But the
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Speaker 2: rest of it isn't there. And I mean we've talked
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Speaker 2: about that with the in cells like that, you know me,
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Speaker 2: and you have said that what they're after is a connection,
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Speaker 2: is an emotional connection, you know, not just the sex.
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Speaker 2: Sex is a part an expression of the emotional connection.
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Speaker 2: But they want that intimacy and to say that they're
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Speaker 2: just after sex cheapens it. And I think it's the
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Speaker 2: same with men. They're after things that women are not
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Speaker 2: presenting as available, and women are thinking, well, men are
22:57
Speaker 2: just after sex, that's all we have to give. No,
23:01
Speaker 2: And as this becomes more and more apparent as men
23:04
Speaker 2: are waking up to not just oh, I have to
23:06
Speaker 2: do all of these hoops. At the end of the day,
23:08
Speaker 2: I gotta jump through the I gotta somehow man myself
23:11
Speaker 2: into an extra five inches of height. You know. I
23:14
Speaker 2: gotta man myself into having Chris Helmsworth build. You know,
23:17
Speaker 2: I gotta man myself into be a multi millionaire. They're
23:20
Speaker 2: not just looking at the hoops they have to jump through.
23:22
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, what do you get?
23:24
Speaker 2: You get a manifestel who doesn't respect you, doesn't love you,
23:27
Speaker 2: and doesn't desire you, but we'll take your money. She's
23:32
Speaker 2: happy to do that, like and men are waking up
23:35
Speaker 2: to that. And when they wake up to that, women don't.
23:38
Speaker 2: I don't know if women realize just how And I'm
23:41
Speaker 2: not saying physically nasty. I don't think this is gonna
23:44
Speaker 2: elevate into being anything physical, right, I don't think women
23:49
Speaker 2: are aware of just how angry and if not anger indifferent,
23:58
Speaker 2: it's gonna look when when when a critical massive men
24:02
Speaker 2: realize there's nothing they're gonna do to get what they
24:05
Speaker 2: what they actually want from women, which is desire, love
24:08
Speaker 2: and respect. You know, it's that that it's just be
24:13
Speaker 2: outside of their they you know, like, men are just
24:15
Speaker 2: gonna be like, uh, in my opinion, this is this is,
24:18
Speaker 2: this is what's happening. Men are gonna just express their
24:21
Speaker 2: honest opinion about what they think of women, what they
24:23
Speaker 2: think women when they do their little fun skits, and
24:27
Speaker 2: what they think of women's entertainment, what they think of
24:30
Speaker 2: women's attitudes, what they think of women's intelligence. They're just
24:33
Speaker 2: gonna be freaking flat out honest. And it's the honesty
24:36
Speaker 2: that's gonna burn. And I'm not They don't even have
24:39
Speaker 2: to be like, uh, cruel or contemptuous. They're just gonna
24:43
Speaker 2: be honest and you know, honestly. I I and not
24:48
Speaker 2: really upset with that, Like I think that, yeah, we
24:51
Speaker 2: should keep everything with integrity, you know, and we should
24:55
Speaker 2: keep espousing ethics, but maybe men have earned the right
25:01
Speaker 2: to be honest with women. Yeah, and yeah, yeah, go ahead.
25:10
Speaker 1: Yeah No, I was gonna say, well, no, I was
25:11
Speaker 1: just gonna say this video. We're gonna look at this right,
25:15
Speaker 1: mm hmm. Should I play it or did you want
25:17
Speaker 1: to say something else?
25:18
Speaker 3: Yeah?
25:19
Speaker 2: No, no, let's play it all right.
25:20
Speaker 1: This is like a minute in forty seven seconds. I
25:23
Speaker 1: don't think we're gonna get dinged for it, but let's
25:25
Speaker 1: play it.
25:26
Speaker 2: So.
25:26
Speaker 3: I've never seen this, but I know it was doing
25:28
Speaker 3: the rounds.
25:29
Speaker 4: Manosphere content is making men hopeless. Just a month ago,
25:32
Speaker 4: I would have identified myself as a Manosphere creator, believing
25:34
Speaker 4: it genuinely wanted to help men, calling out modern feminism,
25:37
Speaker 4: promoting masculinity, and empathizing.
25:39
Speaker 5: With the struggles men face.
25:41
Speaker 4: Men are definitely facing serious issues, issues that I and
25:44
Speaker 4: other creators are well aware of. But the nanosphere and
25:47
Speaker 4: its key figures have lost their way.
25:49
Speaker 1: Instead of uh, can I just say right off the bat,
25:52
Speaker 1: whenever somebody starts talking about this stuff and they say
25:56
Speaker 1: modern feminism, I tune out right away. I'm sorry, but like,
26:02
Speaker 1: it's not recent feminism, it's just feminism. It's just feminism. Okay,
26:09
Speaker 1: we don't have to get we don't have to qualify
26:11
Speaker 1: it with like a time period, because that immediately implies
26:14
Speaker 1: that there was good feminism once and it's lost its way.
26:18
Speaker 3: Just not true.
26:19
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna come back because I'm I
26:23
Speaker 2: need to correct something. I'll just be a moment.
26:26
Speaker 1: Just continue with your all right, I'm gonna play some
26:28
Speaker 1: more of the video than okay, so let me see here.
26:36
Speaker 3: Putting it back on the screen so the verticals can
26:38
Speaker 3: see it.
26:39
Speaker 4: Addressing these issues with hopeful solutions. It's become a NonStop
26:43
Speaker 4: dump contest on women, where the absolute worst examples of
26:46
Speaker 4: what it means to be a woman are deceptively promoted
26:49
Speaker 4: as though they represent the average woman in modern society,
26:51
Speaker 4: Which leads me to the most important point. You have
26:53
Speaker 4: to keep in mind that top creators are feeding an
26:56
Speaker 4: algorithm where negativity sells and their cause takes a backseat
27:00
Speaker 4: to their need to satisfy an audience.
27:01
Speaker 5: I have experienced this firsthand.
27:03
Speaker 4: I've posted reactionary content because I knew it would pull
27:06
Speaker 4: people in, but I stopped because this only drives viewers
27:09
Speaker 4: deeper into hopelessness. They stop thinking about the things they
27:12
Speaker 4: can improve and instead focus on the enemies highlighted by creators.
27:15
Speaker 4: This doesn't help men, It only leaves them angrier and
27:18
Speaker 4: more isolated.
27:21
Speaker 1: Who the f are manisphere and its key figures well,
27:24
Speaker 1: obviously m M. The thing is I think that what
27:27
Speaker 1: a lot of these people do is they measure the
27:31
Speaker 1: let's say, the qualities of a part of a conversation
27:37
Speaker 1: by the clout that some of the people have. So
27:41
Speaker 1: when people say the manisphere, they are talking only about
27:44
Speaker 1: the people who have the largest amount of followers, the
27:48
Speaker 1: largest amount of influence, and not necessarily the people who
27:51
Speaker 1: are making the best points. Now, I think the algorithm,
27:56
Speaker 1: such as it is, perhaps into feeds into stuff that's
28:03
Speaker 1: going to be controversial or dramatic because it gets more
28:07
Speaker 1: you know, like traffic that way. But I don't blame
28:11
Speaker 1: the people who use that to their advantage per se.
28:16
Speaker 1: So you know, when when they say the what is
28:22
Speaker 1: it the menisphere and its key figures, they're talking about
28:24
Speaker 1: the people with the most subs, the most followers, the
28:26
Speaker 1: most traffic, the most conversations, talking about Pearl, they're talking
28:30
Speaker 1: about Fresh and Fit, they're talking about the whatever podcast,
28:33
Speaker 1: they're talking about Andrew Tate. They're not actually talking about
28:36
Speaker 1: like the people who are necessarily making the best arguments.
28:40
Speaker 1: And so she's like, what she's got a problem with
28:44
Speaker 1: It's just it's funny because it's it's measuring everything based
28:50
Speaker 1: on the clout instead of the substance. And then she's
28:55
Speaker 1: she's got a problem with the people who use it,
28:57
Speaker 1: But what can we do about that? What can we
29:00
Speaker 1: do about that other than you know, essentially stop I
29:04
Speaker 1: don't know, blaming men for this. Let me go back
29:07
Speaker 1: out because you didn't hear the part where she talks
29:09
Speaker 1: about this being a dunking contest on women. So again,
29:13
Speaker 1: this is Lauren Southern did this already. I think the
29:18
Speaker 1: Shoes done this. Some other people have done this where
29:20
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, you know, like it's getting to the
29:24
Speaker 1: point now where all they do is they rag on women.
29:27
Speaker 3: They rag on women.
29:28
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you mean, like how we've been ragging
29:29
Speaker 1: on men for like one hundred years and now we're
29:32
Speaker 1: ragging on women some and you're like, oh my god,
29:34
Speaker 1: this is harmful?
29:35
Speaker 3: Oh is it?
29:36
Speaker 2: Is? It?
29:36
Speaker 1: Is it really harmful when you when you essentially beat
29:39
Speaker 1: down a half of the population constantly, even when you
29:43
Speaker 1: claim that you're trying to help them. Like what's happening
29:46
Speaker 1: right now where you know, like the the well, I
29:52
Speaker 1: don't know how else to put it, like the Democrat
29:54
Speaker 1: Party or the left or whatever. They're like, why don't
29:57
Speaker 1: men support us? We've only been dogging on them and
29:59
Speaker 1: calling them shit for one hundred years? Why they all
30:02
Speaker 1: want why are they moving to the right, Why are
30:04
Speaker 1: they reacting this way, and it's like, why do you
30:06
Speaker 1: have a problem with it when they're doing that instead
30:09
Speaker 1: of like addressing what their fucking problems were. And of
30:12
Speaker 1: course they don't want that because they don't actually care
30:15
Speaker 1: about men. They just want like what they can use,
30:18
Speaker 1: and the men are just doing what they want to do.
30:20
Speaker 3: They're thinking for themselves now.
30:22
Speaker 1: So I mean not that they always that they didn't always,
30:24
Speaker 1: but you know, like it's they just they cannot come
30:29
Speaker 1: to the point where they are saying, do men matter
30:33
Speaker 1: in our society? The answer is obviously yes. Why Well, basically,
30:39
Speaker 1: everything that you have is that you could use to complain,
30:43
Speaker 1: you only have because men gave it to you, thanklessly
30:46
Speaker 1: in most cases. And why are we being such pieces
30:50
Speaker 1: of garbage when it comes to men.
30:52
Speaker 3: I know that garbage is a trigger word. Now we're not.
30:54
Speaker 1: Supposed to say it, but but you know, why are
30:56
Speaker 1: we being trash to men? Why are we treating this way?
30:59
Speaker 1: And then when men and say, you know, maybe we
31:01
Speaker 1: should have standards on women. Maybe we should like have
31:06
Speaker 1: some expectations that you know of some of that women
31:10
Speaker 1: should be virtuous in some way before we think about
31:13
Speaker 1: like approaching them or spending time with them.
31:17
Speaker 3: And they're like, you can't do that. You can hold
31:19
Speaker 3: women to standards.
31:21
Speaker 1: We just we had to figure out, Like it's like
31:23
Speaker 1: you guys can't you can't solve this problem, Like you
31:26
Speaker 1: can't solve this problem because you've made it impossible to
31:28
Speaker 1: criticize women and you've made it impossible to respect men
31:32
Speaker 1: Like you You've just done that, right, This is the
31:34
Speaker 1: paradigm you've made and you can't get out of it.
31:37
Speaker 1: This is why this woman is not going to say
31:39
Speaker 1: anything useful anyways. That's find out.
31:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, you wanted to go back and tell, and yeah,
31:46
Speaker 2: went back.
31:46
Speaker 3: A little bit.
31:47
Speaker 4: Facer issues issues that I and other creators are well
31:50
Speaker 4: aware of. But the Nanosphere and its key figures have
31:53
Speaker 4: lost their way. Instead of addressing these issues with hopeful solutions,
31:56
Speaker 4: it's become a NonStop dump contest on women.
32:00
Speaker 5: Absolutely examples of.
32:03
Speaker 2: Okay, so seventy five we've used the worst examples. Feminism
32:08
Speaker 2: has used the worst examples of men to impugne the
32:11
Speaker 2: motives of all men. Let's let's be honest here. That's
32:16
Speaker 2: that is what we've done for the last seventy five years,
32:19
Speaker 2: if not longer. The Declaration with no Sentiments and now
32:24
Speaker 2: men are doing the same to women. Yeah, it's not.
32:27
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's very destructive. But how long are
32:31
Speaker 2: men expected to tolerate it? Like if men stop doing this?
32:36
Speaker 2: Is are is feminism going to stop promoting a completely
32:39
Speaker 2: unscientific theory about reality that has never been proven. It
32:43
Speaker 2: hasn't even gone through the first step of being framed
32:46
Speaker 2: in a way that could be proven, right, Like is
32:49
Speaker 2: that gonna? Is all this stuff that's proceeding? And the
32:51
Speaker 2: other thing is that if this stuff doesn't stop, Like,
32:57
Speaker 2: if the behavior towards men doesn't stop, what grounds do
33:03
Speaker 2: you have to even judge men's anger in response? Like
33:08
Speaker 2: are you present? Like is this woman saying okay, well,
33:11
Speaker 2: if you guys stop being angry, will actually make the
33:15
Speaker 2: changes you're asking for? Is that is that on the table?
33:20
Speaker 2: Cause I suspect no. So what was really going on
33:24
Speaker 2: is just be quiet again? Men? Just be quiet and
33:27
Speaker 2: for no reason because you're there's nothing in it for
33:29
Speaker 2: you to be quiet, but we just want you to
33:31
Speaker 2: be quiet. Well, good luck with that. That doesn't like
33:34
Speaker 2: at this point, there's no reason for men to be
33:37
Speaker 2: quiet anymore, for a lot of men to be quiet anymore.
33:39
Speaker 2: There's absolutely no reason for them to be flattering towards women.
33:43
Speaker 2: To shut up when they're bothered by women. There's no
33:46
Speaker 2: reason for it. There's nothing in it for them to
33:49
Speaker 2: be quiet. I mean, there's no there's no world in
33:52
Speaker 2: which that path leads to a benefit. So why not
33:57
Speaker 2: express their anger? And then you have people like this
33:59
Speaker 2: when you like but it, well, good luck, you got nothing,
34:03
Speaker 2: You got nothing to get unless you are And I
34:07
Speaker 2: honestly I can't. I cannot say to guys, yeah, if
34:10
Speaker 2: these people say, well, if you dial back the anger,
34:14
Speaker 2: we'll actually purge, purge society of the bullshit that's being
34:20
Speaker 2: said about men. You know, the fact that we have
34:24
Speaker 2: a very powerful institutional narrative that takes the worst examples
34:29
Speaker 2: of men and makes all men, even boys, even little
34:34
Speaker 2: kids who are just developing themselves, take responsibility for it. Right,
34:39
Speaker 2: is that going to happen? And the answer is no.
34:43
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. You don't have a bargaining position.
34:48
Speaker 2: Like the more men wake up and realize, yeah, maybe
34:51
Speaker 2: there's a woman at the end of the uh, man
34:54
Speaker 2: up and gains five inches, and man up and broaden
34:57
Speaker 2: your shoulders and man up and get the body of
35:00
Speaker 2: Chris Chris, Chris Helmsworth, whatever the hell man up and
35:04
Speaker 2: get like two million dollars. Just just just do that, guys.
35:09
Speaker 2: It's every single man can do that if they just
35:12
Speaker 2: man hard enough. Like maybe men are looking at that,
35:15
Speaker 2: and what's the end of the road for them, love, respect, desire,
35:20
Speaker 2: not really just a woman is gonna use them for
35:23
Speaker 2: all of the things that they've manned up to get,
35:26
Speaker 2: you know, And it's it's like this is I'm gonna
35:32
Speaker 2: I'm gonna step way back, which is probably gonna lose everyone.
35:36
Speaker 2: But this is what happens when a society ability to
35:42
Speaker 2: maintain the relationship between men and women is outstripped by
35:46
Speaker 2: its technological or social progress. Like this is this and
35:51
Speaker 2: it's not even you don't have to blame men, you
35:53
Speaker 2: don't have to blame women. This is something that is
35:57
Speaker 2: created by the technology that we developed since like the
36:01
Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds, if not, and the social technology developed even
36:04
Speaker 2: before that the supported the actual physical technology. So yes,
36:09
Speaker 2: the discussion of who to blame is ultimately not very productive. However, however,
36:17
Speaker 2: I think women are the only ones who can pull
36:20
Speaker 2: anything out of this, which is unfortunate because usually when
36:23
Speaker 2: that happens societies just collapse when it comes down to
36:25
Speaker 2: women and they have to hold up their half to
36:28
Speaker 2: the sky, things just collapse. The collapse is recorded in
36:38
Speaker 2: we just die back to the point where we can
36:41
Speaker 2: actually form families again. And this is very high abstract stuff.
36:46
Speaker 2: So I apologize. So I'm gonna I'm gonna be quiet.
36:48
Speaker 1: Now, all right, let me play more of the video.
36:50
Speaker 1: But I think we get this, Okay, what it.
36:53
Speaker 4: Means to be a woman are deceptively promoted as though
36:56
Speaker 4: they represent the average woman in modern society, which leads
36:59
Speaker 4: me to the most important point. You have to keep
37:01
Speaker 4: in mind that top creators are feeding an algorithm.
37:04
Speaker 2: Are you fucking okay? Just wait, wait, So you have
37:11
Speaker 2: correctly identified what's been happening to men because of feminism
37:18
Speaker 2: and all of the women who subscribe to it and
37:21
Speaker 2: all of the women who just use it casually in
37:23
Speaker 2: order to dominate the men in their lives. You've just
37:26
Speaker 2: described what happens to men. But now it's a problem, okay.
37:37
Speaker 4: Cause takes a backseat to their need to satisfy an audience.
37:41
Speaker 5: I have experienced this firsthand.
37:42
Speaker 4: I've posted reactionary content because I knew it would pull
37:45
Speaker 4: people in, but I stopped because this only drags viewers
37:48
Speaker 4: deeper into hopelessness. They stop talking about the things they
37:51
Speaker 4: can improve and instead focus on the enemies highlighted by creators.
37:54
Speaker 5: This doesn't help men, it only leaves them.
37:56
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's honestly, yes, this is true. We need
38:00
Speaker 2: to focus on what we can do for ourselves, of course.
38:05
Speaker 2: But the other hand is that there is a huge
38:09
Speaker 2: impetus in our society to absolutely refuse to see that
38:14
Speaker 2: men have vulnerabilities by the actual definition of vulnerability, which
38:18
Speaker 2: is they are exposed to external forces that can cause
38:22
Speaker 2: them harm. The compulsion is to immediately blame men for
38:26
Speaker 2: things that are well outside their control. So let's just
38:30
Speaker 2: sit with not doing that for a bit, and also
38:34
Speaker 2: let us develop the ability to hold women too account
38:39
Speaker 2: and blame women. I'm gonna use the blame word because
38:41
Speaker 2: everybody hates it, blame women. When we get to the
38:43
Speaker 2: point where we can blame women as much as we
38:47
Speaker 2: blame men, as freely as we blame men, then we
38:51
Speaker 2: can discuss how much each of them are to blame
38:55
Speaker 2: what they are to blame for. Do you get what
38:57
Speaker 2: I'm saying? Like, the thing is, we need need to
39:00
Speaker 2: be okay, with the action of blaming women. We need
39:03
Speaker 2: to be okay with it. We need to say that's fine,
39:07
Speaker 2: it's okay. People aren't going to have their brains explode.
39:11
Speaker 2: It's not going to cause armageddon. Nuclear war isn't going
39:14
Speaker 2: to pop off. We can blame women. And when we
39:17
Speaker 2: get comfortable with blaming women, recognizing the culpability of their actions,
39:22
Speaker 2: recognizing their accountability, recognizing some level of responsibility that when
39:28
Speaker 2: we get okay with that, my pie in the sky
39:32
Speaker 2: vision would be we're as okay with that as we
39:34
Speaker 2: are with the reverse blaming men. But regardless, when we
39:37
Speaker 2: get okay with that, then we can have the discussion
39:41
Speaker 2: of who is who is responsible for what? But you
39:46
Speaker 2: see what I'm saying. Until we can actually blame women
39:49
Speaker 2: as freely as we blame men, how can we even
39:51
Speaker 2: have an honest discussion about who can do what to
39:54
Speaker 2: fix it?
39:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's play some.
40:02
Speaker 4: And if that wasn't enough, the angriest voices head to
40:05
Speaker 4: the comments section and create a group think trap where
40:08
Speaker 4: even level headed men can lose hope, allowing a vocal
40:11
Speaker 4: minority to shape their views of.
40:12
Speaker 5: Women and dating.
40:14
Speaker 4: In reality, many men short, fat, tall, skinny, paycheck to paycheck.
40:18
Speaker 4: Wealthy are living fulfilling lives with incredible women who love them.
40:22
Speaker 4: As of twenty nineteen, sixty one percent of men aged
40:25
Speaker 4: twenty five to fifty four have partners. And I've got
40:28
Speaker 4: news for you, sixty one percent of men those ages
40:31
Speaker 4: are not six feet tall.
40:33
Speaker 5: Making one hundred k and looking like thor So the.
40:35
Speaker 2: Next time you're assuming this content, ask yourself, Okay, I.
40:40
Speaker 1: Mean sixty four percent doesn't. It's actually not a great
40:44
Speaker 1: number because that means that forty something percent. Yeah, and
40:48
Speaker 1: then there was like the age range that she threw in,
40:51
Speaker 1: like twenty five to sixty four. Wait a minute, wait
40:53
Speaker 1: a minute, how like in that age range? Yeah, that's
40:56
Speaker 1: a deceptive stat because, like I would assume that guys
41:01
Speaker 1: in their forties, fifties, and sixties are probably more likely
41:04
Speaker 1: to have somebody because of a number of factors. They
41:08
Speaker 1: likely have more resources at that age, they're more they're
41:10
Speaker 1: more established at an age, and the women are like,
41:13
Speaker 1: you know, well out of their ho phase and they're
41:15
Speaker 1: like looking to settle down. So that's not really a
41:19
Speaker 1: reliable data point to throw out there. And besides, and
41:25
Speaker 1: it's still kind of messed up because you're still looking
41:28
Speaker 1: at forty something percent of guys.
41:30
Speaker 3: That's not small.
41:31
Speaker 1: That's a lot, right, So yeah, I don't, I don't know,
41:35
Speaker 1: I don't, I'm not.
41:36
Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of this number.
41:40
Speaker 2: No, no, it's it's and it's like far lower now,
41:43
Speaker 2: and it's not a good number. But here's the other thing.
41:48
Speaker 2: Those men are likely in relationships with women they met offline.
41:53
Speaker 2: I actually saw a statistic that was terrifying. Only one
41:57
Speaker 2: in ten relationships is the people meet on a dating app.
42:03
Speaker 2: But consider how much of our dating is now through
42:06
Speaker 2: the apps, and how much of it is forced online
42:10
Speaker 2: because feminist initiatives to stop men from talking to or
42:14
Speaker 2: expressing interest in women, so to the point where men
42:18
Speaker 2: run a minefield of losing their everything they've built in
42:21
Speaker 2: their entire lives if they talk to the wrong woman
42:24
Speaker 2: in the wrong way. Once, okay, and this has happened,
42:28
Speaker 2: all right, And it may be that, oh, you know,
42:31
Speaker 2: if you just if you just put one hundred thousand
42:33
Speaker 2: men through this minefield, at least at least twenty thousand
42:37
Speaker 2: of them will survive. But how freaking callous, how callous
42:42
Speaker 2: can you be to simply dismiss the problems and the
42:45
Speaker 2: anxiety that this causes in men, and not just that.
42:49
Speaker 2: But these aren't campaigns like oh we like no, don't
42:53
Speaker 2: do it. This is wrong. You are hurting women if
42:57
Speaker 2: you approach them in public. They don't want to be
43:00
Speaker 2: scared out of their wits thinking you're gonna predate on them,
43:04
Speaker 2: you know that kind of thing. It's really heavy handed stuff.
43:08
Speaker 2: So it's pushing all dating online. And when you look
43:12
Speaker 2: at the online content being created by women directed at men,
43:17
Speaker 2: maybe not they don't expect men to watch it, but
43:20
Speaker 2: they are talking about men. It is hideous. Do you
43:23
Speaker 2: look at how women apparently behave towards men in these
43:26
Speaker 2: dating apps? Not pleasant? So she can say, yeah, there
43:30
Speaker 2: there's men who are Yeah, those men are in relationships
43:33
Speaker 2: with women they no doubt met in real life outside
43:37
Speaker 2: of the internet. But all of our social especially after KOUF,
43:43
Speaker 2: which is probably why it's gotten so bad in the
43:45
Speaker 2: last few years, all of our social life is now
43:48
Speaker 2: being pushed and pushed and pushed onto the internet. And
43:51
Speaker 2: that's a completely different ballpark. When men go online and
43:56
Speaker 2: they see how women treat them or what they say
43:59
Speaker 2: about them, it's hideous. Okay, there are far more, many
44:04
Speaker 2: more women saying we don't want to be approached. It's horrible.
44:07
Speaker 2: Don't look at us, it's rape. Then there are women saying, hey, actually,
44:11
Speaker 2: I do you know, I do like an approach, you know,
44:14
Speaker 2: if you're polite and take no for an answer or whatever.
44:17
Speaker 2: You know. There's far more women discouraging men from approaching
44:22
Speaker 2: them in public, which is what leads to the good outcomes,
44:26
Speaker 2: then there are women encouraging it. I mean, you got
44:30
Speaker 2: to look like lady, pull the hair up like I do,
44:35
Speaker 2: put on the beanie, take off the excessive makeup, and
44:39
Speaker 2: go online and let people think you're a man. Then
44:44
Speaker 2: come back and tell me what it's like for a man. Right.
44:50
Speaker 2: As I said in one of my Twitter videos, the
44:53
Speaker 2: reason why I present as androgynously as I can is
44:57
Speaker 2: because people mistake me for a man, and then they
45:00
Speaker 2: treat me like one, and it is eye opening. So
45:05
Speaker 2: do that, lady, Go present as introgynously as you can,
45:11
Speaker 2: and then tell me what it's like for a man.
45:14
Speaker 2: And if you won't even get like the full male experience,
45:17
Speaker 2: you'll just get a taste, a little taste of it,
45:22
Speaker 2: all right, mm.
45:23
Speaker 1: Hmmm, Well there's only a few seconds left. I just
45:25
Speaker 1: want to point out that I did. Finally hear back
45:28
Speaker 1: from the person who's supposed to be the guest. They said,
45:31
Speaker 1: I just woke up. I'm not I'm not gonna bother
45:35
Speaker 1: with that now. I don't think, I mean unless you
45:37
Speaker 1: want me to. But I think that if you like
45:41
Speaker 1: have an intention to appear on someone's show to talk
45:45
Speaker 1: to them, whether it is like as an interview or
45:48
Speaker 1: a debate or whatever, and you don't have the common
45:51
Speaker 1: courtesy to just wake up on time, and yet you're
45:54
Speaker 1: gonna complain about like.
45:56
Speaker 3: I don't know what we talk about.
45:57
Speaker 1: And you're like sleeping at fucking two o'clock in the
46:00
Speaker 1: afternoon at least Eastern time.
46:03
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I don't know.
46:04
Speaker 1: That's like you like, show up on time, you know,
46:08
Speaker 1: just get up and do it. But if you're not
46:10
Speaker 1: going to do that, then I don't think you're a
46:12
Speaker 1: serious person, and I don't think I want to talk
46:15
Speaker 1: to you.
46:15
Speaker 3: So all right, let's finish the video. So yeah, I'm.
46:18
Speaker 1: Sorry, uh Ellen degenerate, but you had your time, your chance,
46:22
Speaker 1: and you blew it.
46:25
Speaker 4: Is this just a dopamine hit, a way to validate
46:27
Speaker 4: my victim hut or is it actually making me a
46:29
Speaker 4: better man, If it's only feeling bitterness, it might be
46:31
Speaker 4: time to seek content that actually helps you rather than
46:34
Speaker 4: just feeding your resentment.
46:39
Speaker 2: All right, okay, so you want to seek content that
46:42
Speaker 2: actually helps you? Okay, Well, men, I would suggest you
46:45
Speaker 2: don't watch women on the internet at all, like seriously.
46:52
Speaker 2: And and the other thing is that this is no
47:01
Speaker 2: indication like does she actually maybe she takes responsibility in
47:05
Speaker 2: other circumstances for what women are doing to totally demoralize
47:11
Speaker 2: men on the internet, like what women are presenting to
47:15
Speaker 2: the point where when women present anything, even something innocuous,
47:19
Speaker 2: men are reacting like allergic, like an anaphylectic shock to it.
47:25
Speaker 2: Like this is this is the thing where do women
47:28
Speaker 2: take responsibility for what they're telling men, what they're showing men,
47:31
Speaker 2: what they're saying about men. Do you at any point,
47:35
Speaker 2: because when I listen to this, I'm like, okay, yeah,
47:38
Speaker 2: that's nice. What can I say to men? What content
47:41
Speaker 2: can I tell men? To avoid almost everything made by
47:44
Speaker 2: women about men on the internet feminism as much as possible,
47:50
Speaker 2: But you can't because it's institutional now, it's everywhere, right,
47:55
Speaker 2: boys are taught this stuff from an AA. If you
47:58
Speaker 2: talk about, oh, these men are taking the worst examples
48:01
Speaker 2: of women, not even the worst. This is this is
48:03
Speaker 2: this is the other problem I have with this. They
48:05
Speaker 2: aren't taking the worst. They're taking women who are entitled,
48:09
Speaker 2: but they aren't rapists.
48:11
Speaker 1: You know.
48:12
Speaker 2: They might have ridiculous standards, but they.
48:15
Speaker 1: Are not.
48:17
Speaker 3: Abusers.
48:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, they aren't taking the worst that women have to
48:22
Speaker 2: offer and presenting that as an example of womanhood. That's
48:26
Speaker 2: what feminism did to men, and you can't get away
48:30
Speaker 2: from that. So it's like, yeah, even your premise is wrong.
48:36
Speaker 2: They're not actually taking the worst. And it's amazing that
48:39
Speaker 2: she thinks that these are the worst examples of women,
48:42
Speaker 2: because I've seen the worst examples of women. These are
48:45
Speaker 2: not the worst examples of women. You know. Fresh and
48:47
Speaker 2: Fit could be bringing on women who wrote that that
48:51
Speaker 2: woman that we came across my desk recently who raped
48:56
Speaker 2: her one year old son and filmed it. No, she could.
49:01
Speaker 2: They could be bringing on the the British woman who
49:05
Speaker 2: pursued a campaign of freaking terror against her husband, you know,
49:10
Speaker 2: and that's a recent video. They could bring on women
49:14
Speaker 2: who brag about the fact that they don't consider men's
49:17
Speaker 2: consent when they want sex. That's the worst, right, they
49:22
Speaker 2: could really bring on the worst and say this represents
49:26
Speaker 2: what all women are and that would actually start getting
49:30
Speaker 2: closer to what feminism has done to men. And again,
49:35
Speaker 2: where is women's responsibility for what they're saying about men,
49:38
Speaker 2: you know, causing men to become demoralized? And I wouldn't say,
49:45
Speaker 2: like if we were all like, if this was a
49:47
Speaker 2: situation where I knew she was just as comfortable blaming
49:51
Speaker 2: women as she was blaming men, I might consider. But
49:55
Speaker 2: we're not there yet. We have a long way to
49:58
Speaker 2: go before we are just as comfortable blaming women as
50:02
Speaker 2: we are blaming men. And until we're there, the discussion
50:06
Speaker 2: is going to be distorted by the expectation that men
50:08
Speaker 2: take responsibility enough for external things that they have no
50:12
Speaker 2: control over, but external things caused by women's choices that
50:16
Speaker 2: they also have no control over. That has to change,
50:20
Speaker 2: all right, And this this woman isn't doing anything like
50:22
Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, she's just
50:24
Speaker 2: not doing anything.
50:27
Speaker 3: Yep, her content.
50:28
Speaker 1: No, No, it's just what it is this ultimately boiled
50:31
Speaker 1: down to, is you know, stop watching content of you know,
50:36
Speaker 1: women going on the whatever, like going on the whatever
50:39
Speaker 1: podcasts and getting into arguments and promoting their only fans
50:43
Speaker 1: pages because you know, some men might see that as normalizing,
50:48
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, maybe there should be more women
50:51
Speaker 1: that are like vocally opposing that instead of like telling
50:53
Speaker 1: men to stop looking at it. Maybe there should be
50:56
Speaker 1: more women that are like, look, I'm going to be
50:58
Speaker 1: a living example of the opposite of this, and maybe
51:01
Speaker 1: we should see that.
51:02
Speaker 3: Maybe there are women who should.
51:03
Speaker 1: Say, you know, oh I I you know, I just
51:07
Speaker 1: like I disavow these women over here or whatever, I
51:11
Speaker 1: will vocally criticize them, but there isn't. Instead, it's like
51:14
Speaker 1: protect a sixer hood and there's a couple of ways
51:17
Speaker 1: you can do that, and one of them is, uh,
51:19
Speaker 1: you know, you're generalizing, and that's that that's not really constructive.
51:24
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't. I don't see the use in
51:28
Speaker 3: that anyway, should we? Uh?
51:31
Speaker 1: Because this person is still they're still like not talking
51:34
Speaker 1: to me whatever, haven't come on, So what do you
51:37
Speaker 1: want to do now you're muted?
51:42
Speaker 2: Well, I think we responded to this. I mean, ultimately
51:44
Speaker 2: this ended up being completely different though what you mean,
51:46
Speaker 2: tendon and sorry about that. We can't Internet tough guy
51:51
Speaker 2: just didn't show. So there you go.
51:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, just me and just wrap it
51:59
Speaker 1: up up here and I'll have to change the title
52:01
Speaker 1: and stuff, so that's fine.
52:03
Speaker 2: I think you should probably unlist the vertical stream as
52:06
Speaker 2: well because it's not going to do much for us.
52:09
Speaker 2: But yeah, like, thank you for joining. Sorry the guy
52:11
Speaker 2: didn't show up, although on a positive note, we're not annihilated.
52:17
Speaker 3: We can get to live another day.
52:19
Speaker 2: We get to live another day. So yeah, it wasn't
52:22
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Speaker 6: Men's right activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are literal machines.
53:13
Speaker 6: They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking
53:17
Speaker 6: deal with, especially if you have like especially if you
53:19
Speaker 6: have like a couple of dudes who have good memory.
53:21
Speaker 6: On top of that, too, holy shit, you're fucked