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Legally Brunette: Jason Corbett · Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll
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  Speaker 1: be your host today Emily Simpson and Shane and Shane.
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  Speaker 1: Just Shane. First of all, we just want to do
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  Speaker 1: a couple little things that have been in the news
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  Speaker 1: lately that I thought was interesting. It's first of all,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about a little bit about Justin
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  Speaker 1: Bieber and the Scooter Braun settlement. I didn't know a
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  Speaker 1: lot about this or that there was anything going on
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  Speaker 1: to do no, so I just did a little research
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  Speaker 1: read some articles. So I just want to give a
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  Speaker 1: brief overview of that if you've seen that in the
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  Speaker 1: news or you had questions about it. So, according to
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  Speaker 1: an article that was in Cosmopolitan, Justin Bieber and his
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  Speaker 1: former manager, Scooter Bron have been locked in a financial
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  Speaker 1: battle since twenty twenty three, after Scooter and his company
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  Speaker 1: Hibe covered the cost of Justin's world tour that he
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  Speaker 1: canceled back in twenty twenty two. Allegedly, he still owed
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  Speaker 1: twenty six million to Hype as Hibe it's with a
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  Speaker 1: B like be as in boy. He still owed twenty
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  Speaker 1: six million to Hibe as of last week. In addition
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  Speaker 1: to this, Justin also reported owed Scooter braun eleven million
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  Speaker 1: in unpaid commissions from when they worked together, and per TMZ,
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  Speaker 1: that's on top of the eight point six million and
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  Speaker 1: unpaid commissions that Scooter agreed to forfeit. So back on
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  Speaker 1: July tenth, TMZ reported that Justin and Scooter had reached
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  Speaker 1: a financial settlement in which Justin agreed to pay Scooter
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  Speaker 1: the twenty six million, as well as five point five
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  Speaker 1: million for unpaid commissions, totaling thirty one point five million.
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  Speaker 1: My question to you is, do you think that it
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  Speaker 1: was easy for him to settle that because now his
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  Speaker 1: wife just got a billion dollars from the sale of
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  Speaker 1: her cosmetic company.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I don't really know. Uh so
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  Speaker 2: he's just paying the full amount.
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  Speaker 1: No, he's not paying the full amount. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he owed twenty six million and some eleven million in
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  Speaker 1: unpaid commissions and then another eight point six but they
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  Speaker 1: settled on thirty one point five.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he might have settled because he had to. He
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  Speaker 2: canceled that concert like last minute, I remember, yeah, so,
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  Speaker 2: and like I don't I think he gave it very good.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like there was some publicly known reason like
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  Speaker 2: he was in a car wreck where he was ill
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  Speaker 2: or something. He just canceled.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously when you have a world tour like
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  Speaker 1: Justin Bieber, you invest millions and millions of dollars in
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  Speaker 1: it to set it up up front.
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  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, so you're you're footing this.
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  Speaker 1: So basically Scooter Braun and his production company footed the
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  Speaker 1: bill for this world tour.
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  Speaker 2: Bigger question is is that his real name Scooter?
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  Speaker 1: Is that what's on your mind?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that is, because I bet there's no Scooter
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  Speaker 2: in this world. That said, when I'm older, there's going
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  Speaker 2: to be some pop star that owes me thirty million
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  Speaker 2: dollars and he's gonna pay up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Scooter doesn't go along with thirty million. No, neither
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  Speaker 1: Justin nor Scooter have publicly confirmed the settlement. News of
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  Speaker 1: the settlement comes after The Hollywood Reporter published a story
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  Speaker 1: in April claiming that Justin was twenty million in debt
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  Speaker 1: after canceling his tour and making a series of bad
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  Speaker 1: financial decisions. At that time. When that article came out,
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  Speaker 1: representatives for Justin denied the claims, telling the Hollywood Reporter, quote,
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  Speaker 1: any source that is trying to sell you a story
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  Speaker 1: about alleged financial distress, either doesn't understand the entertainment industry, or,
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  Speaker 1: more likely, is trying to paint an unflattering portrait of
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  Speaker 1: Justin which bears no resemblance to reality. End quote. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I also, I've never been like a big Justin Bieber fan.
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  Speaker 1: I can name like two songs that he's sang. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like when I've seen him in the news lately,
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  Speaker 1: he's been a little dishoveled and not looking quite his
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  Speaker 1: pop stars normally.
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  Speaker 2: When has he looked like a pop star?
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  Speaker 1: When he was younger, he looked like a pop.
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  Speaker 2: Star like fifteen twenty years ago.
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  Speaker 1: So you're saying, now he has a wife and a kid, so.
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  Speaker 2: And tat's all over his body, and oh, he's just
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  Speaker 2: it's just he's got a dad bought and he's got
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  Speaker 2: a puff. Daddy really did a number on him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true.
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  Speaker 2: They took away his innocence.
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  Speaker 1: They were connected. This settlement came one day before Justin
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  Speaker 1: released his seventh studio album, Swag, which is his first
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  Speaker 1: album in four years. Haley Bieber, Justin's wife's old her
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  Speaker 1: cosmetic brand road to Elf Beauty at the end of
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  Speaker 1: May for one billion. Some fans speculate it could have
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  Speaker 1: been to help with her husband's financial struggles. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know about that. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's like like you have a little bit of debt,
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  Speaker 2: so you sell your billion dollar company. It doesn't work.
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  Speaker 1: Like like, look, don't worry about it. Justin I to
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  Speaker 1: sell my company for a.
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  Speaker 2: Billion a broad sale to raise some money. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think that's the reason. I'm sure she sold it because
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  Speaker 2: it was a business decision. Yeah, and she's probably like,
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  Speaker 2: my husband doesn't make good business decisions, so I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to make one. I'm going to sell us.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it was crazy to me to think that
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  Speaker 1: a cosmetic company started by someone who's just kind of
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  Speaker 1: out there as an influencer.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like, well, she had more than that. She
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  Speaker 2: had more strings to pull than that. Isn't her dad
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  Speaker 2: a Baldwin?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, her dad's a bald But that gives.
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  Speaker 2: You opportunity, connections, direction. People are going to come to
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  Speaker 2: you a little bit more and say, can I, you know,
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  Speaker 2: propose this business opportunity. She's gonna have more opportunities. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not saying it's wrong, but clearly she knows where to
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  Speaker 2: start more than I would.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I was just thinking if I started a cosmetic.
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  Speaker 2: Is that her mom Hilaria?
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  Speaker 1: No, that's not her mom.
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  Speaker 2: Oh oh really she has.
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  Speaker 1: That's her uncle's wife.
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  Speaker 2: And it's oh, who's her dad? Her dad's not.
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  Speaker 1: Alec no, or does not Alec Baldwin.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Her dad's Stephen Baldwin. Okay, I believe, but Alec baldw
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  Speaker 1: would be her uncle. And it's hilario.
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  Speaker 2: It's hilarious. She makes that accent all the time and
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  Speaker 2: she's like doing weird stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she said she she said it's because she's bilingual.
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  Speaker 2: To her accent, it's like born and raised here she has,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't she have like some Spanish background? I think? But
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden I saw that video where she was like,
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  Speaker 2: how do you say cucumbers? It's like, uh yeah, cucumbers,
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  Speaker 2: that's her mother tongue. And then she'd shut him up
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  Speaker 2: in the red carpet and everything. Oh yeah, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: why I don't lock the red carpet with you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be the same, and.
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  Speaker 2: You would shut me up sort of like our living room.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to Denise Richards and Aaron
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  Speaker 1: Piper's okay. First of all, Shane has been dying to
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  Speaker 1: talk about family law, So I have you? Have you
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  Speaker 1: been saying we should find a family law case to
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  Speaker 1: talk about. So here's a little family law case. So
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Phipers filed his petition to divorce Denise Richards on Monday,
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  Speaker 1: July seventh, after six years of marriage? What is your
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  Speaker 1: first question when you know it's been six years of marriage?
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  Speaker 2: That's my first questions? A legal question or like a
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  Speaker 2: relationship question.
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  Speaker 1: Well, my first question when I saw that they'd been
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  Speaker 1: married for six years, the first thing that popped into
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  Speaker 1: my mind was why didn't he just toick it out
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  Speaker 1: for another four years? Another four years and then filed
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  Speaker 1: for divorce because California, after ten years of marriage, you
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  Speaker 1: can get, or you can at least request permanent spousal support.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's not permanent, but it's until death, marriage.
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  Speaker 1: Or what's cohabitating?
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  Speaker 2: Somebody's really tough to prove. Yeah, No, it's death or
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  Speaker 2: marriage pretty much is the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: Really, of course I knew I was waiting for you
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  Speaker 1: to say that. Fipers filed his petition in Los Angeles
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  Speaker 1: County Superior Court. He lists July fourth, as the date
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  Speaker 1: of his separation from Richards. I thought this was interesting too,
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  Speaker 1: because I feel like, on July fourth, do people just
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  Speaker 1: get drink too much, watch fireworks and then decide to
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  Speaker 1: get divorced. Like, how does the July fourth the separation?
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  Speaker 1: Like they must have there must have been an incident.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the two do not share children, but
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  Speaker 1: Richards has two adult daughters with ex husband Charlie Sheene.
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  Speaker 1: She is also the mother of a teenage daughter whom
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  Speaker 1: she adopted as an infant. Fibers is reportedly seeking spousal
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  Speaker 1: support from Richards, according to court documents and his declaration,
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  Speaker 1: because you know he has to. In the petitional declaration,
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  Speaker 1: Viper's claims that he makes no income since closing down
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  Speaker 1: his wellness center last year. I'm going to tell you
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  Speaker 1: his wellness center probably didn't make a lot of income either,
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  Speaker 1: and estimates that Richard's makes more than two hundred and
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  Speaker 1: fifty thousand a month from brand deals, TV shows and
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  Speaker 1: OnlyFans content. Vipers has asked to keep their assets and
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  Speaker 1: debts as separate property, including I thought this was funny,
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  Speaker 1: including his he only wants three things. He just wants
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  Speaker 1: to walk away with three well he wants spousal.
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  Speaker 2: Support should be expousalve sport called spousal support.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, but he wants to walk away
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  Speaker 1: with not only spousal support, but he wants to keep
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  Speaker 1: his power tools, his motorcycle in a sports car.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, why would he want to give that up?
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  Speaker 1: Well, he wouldn't. But I'm just saying, it's like, it's
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  Speaker 1: like his douchebag collection. I just want to keep my tools.
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  Speaker 2: He had nothing. He had my muscle shirts and my
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  Speaker 2: Corvette hat exactly.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's like he's like just wants
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  Speaker 1: to take his douchebag kit with him on the road.
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  Speaker 2: Now, what happened was he probably didn't have anything, and
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  Speaker 2: then his attorney's like, you got to have something, dude.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, this looks that you look like a deadbeat
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  Speaker 2: if you got nothing.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I got I got tools. According to the
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  Speaker 1: divorce petition, he claims that he spends nearly one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and five thousand a month including this is what I
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  Speaker 1: don't understand, is this he When you fill out your
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  Speaker 1: financial declaration and you're getting a divorce, are you you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about your current expenses, right, Yeah, but he's saying
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  Speaker 1: that he spends eighteen thousand on rent, which is for
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  Speaker 1: both of them, five thousand on repairs whatever that is,
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  Speaker 1: and seven thousand.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it's like, why does she use your power tools?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? It's seven thousand on childcare, ten thousand on groceries.
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  Speaker 2: And who's child?
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I mean. Like, first of all, their
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  Speaker 1: children are all adult ages, So I have an attorney.
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  Speaker 2: Do you fill it out himself? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: That's we need to look. I need to acttually look
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  Speaker 1: at the petition and see if he's represented or if
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  Speaker 1: he just did this on his own. And fifteen thousand
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  Speaker 1: on eating out?
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  Speaker 2: Look, I have how much on groceries?
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  Speaker 1: He says ten thousand a month on groceries.
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  Speaker 2: So he goes twenty five hundred dollars a week on
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  Speaker 2: groceries and he eats out at three thousands, at five thousand,
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  Speaker 2: almost five thousand dollars a month, four thousand dollars a
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  Speaker 2: month a week a week. Yeah, so he spends six
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  Speaker 2: thousand plus dollars a week on food. Yah, while someone's
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  Speaker 2: watching is someone else sat? Right?
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  Speaker 1: And don't forget he uses his power tools?
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  Speaker 2: How much time they spent on baby oil. That's my question.
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  Speaker 2: That's where it looks like it's going.
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  Speaker 1: According to a source who spoke with us Weekly, Vipers
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  Speaker 1: has taken on many of the responsibilities at home.
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  Speaker 2: No, he has it. You know, it's right. It's because
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  Speaker 2: he spends all his day putting groceries away.
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  Speaker 1: Because financial declaration screams the opposite of that. Aaron gave
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  Speaker 1: up a lot to help Denise day to day. He
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  Speaker 1: has taken care of the kids, the pets to his parents.
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  Speaker 1: Denise and her work for only fans, and he's fixed
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  Speaker 1: up the houses they've lived in. Okay, that's where the
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  Speaker 1: tools come in his rental house.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, I mean where the people the landlord
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  Speaker 2: should be doing that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: They wouldn't be making ends meet without only fans. The
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  Speaker 1: source shares it saved them findance.
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  Speaker 2: They'd been making ends meet. They spend so much freaking
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  Speaker 2: money on groceries and eating out, well and child care
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  Speaker 2: for you know, unknown children for no.
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  Speaker 1: Well they have three kids, but they're all adults.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he probably pays his kids to watch.
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  Speaker 1: You just have kids.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Then, what's she doing with them?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. He here's the thing, he clease.
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  Speaker 2: Where how did he get in this lifestyle? And I'm
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  Speaker 2: I'm running around doing dishes this morning while you get
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  Speaker 2: your nails done.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know you. Would you like me to do
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  Speaker 1: only fans?
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  Speaker 2: No, they wouldn't be making.
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  Speaker 1: They wouldn't be making ends meet without only fans. The
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  Speaker 1: source shares it saved them financially, and Denny has supported
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  Speaker 1: him financially, backed all of his endeavors and it's been
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  Speaker 1: a drain on their finances. So basically, he filed for
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  Speaker 1: divorce after six years. He's walking away. He wants spousal support,
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  Speaker 1: and he wants to take his car, his motorcycle, and
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  Speaker 1: his tools with him. And that's what I took from that. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: what do you say? Here's my question, because you're a man.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it's embarrassing for a man to ask
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  Speaker 1: for spousal support.
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  Speaker 2: The guy doesn't work, he doesn't have kids, he isn't
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  Speaker 2: doing that. Also, he's be embarrassed.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's true.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'd be asked for it. You would, Yeah, if
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  Speaker 2: you're making quarter of a million dollars a month on OnlyFans.
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  Speaker 2: And apparently he's taken the photos for her or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I want my fair share.
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  Speaker 1: So if we got divorced and then I made that
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  Speaker 1: kind of money on OnlyFans, you would ask for spousal support.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Oh my gosh, I'm right. Why would you if
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  Speaker 2: I was making two two thousand dollars on only fans.
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  Speaker 1: If you make two hundred and fifty thousand US on
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  Speaker 1: olay fans, I'm not divorcing you. All right, We'll move on.
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  Speaker 1: And there is a new Netflix movie. It is called
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  Speaker 1: A Deadly American Marriage. We're going to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: It is the case of Jason Corbett's murder.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Jason Corbett he was an Irish born businessman and father
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  Speaker 1: of two. He was widowed in two thousand and six
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  Speaker 1: from his first wife, Margaret Maggs. She goes by Mags Fitzpatrick.
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  Speaker 1: Maggs was pronounced dead after allegedly suffering a severe asthma attack.
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  Speaker 1: She was a known asthmatic. They had two children that
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  Speaker 1: were just two years old and twelve weeks old at
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  Speaker 1: the time that she died. In two thousand and eight,
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  Speaker 1: Jason Corbett, the dad, hired an American all pair named
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  Speaker 1: Molly Martin's to care for his children. Jack, who was
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  Speaker 1: four at the time, and Sarah two. Jason and Molly
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  Speaker 1: then got engaged in February of twenty and ten and
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  Speaker 1: were married by twenty eleven. Following their wedding, the couple,
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  Speaker 1: along with Jason's two children, Jack and Sarah, moved from
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  Speaker 1: Ireland to North Carolina in April of twenty and eleven.
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  Speaker 1: So he's Irish born. He was living in Ireland with
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  Speaker 1: his first wife, Mas. She dies of an asthma attack.
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  Speaker 1: He has two young children. No, this is all factual.
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  Speaker 1: He has two children.
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  Speaker 2: No, her death, yeah, asthma. Yes, we don't know if
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  Speaker 2: it's true or not.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, they're in Ireland and he hires an American pair,
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  Speaker 1: which is a nanny to come and she takes care
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  Speaker 1: of these two children. She comes in two thousand and eight,
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  Speaker 1: and they're engaged by twenty ten.
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  Speaker 2: Have you seen the nanny? Is she had nanny from Miami.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. She was blonde and cue.
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  Speaker 2: It's all very suspicious, see, I don't think. Okay, keep going,
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  Speaker 2: all right.
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  Speaker 1: Following their wedding, the couple, along with Jason's two children,
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  Speaker 1: Jack and Sarah, moved from Ireland to North Carolina. All right,
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  Speaker 1: so now we're in North Carolina in August second of
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  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, Molly's father, Thomas Martin, called a nine to
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  Speaker 1: one to one dispatcher and said he had intervened in
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  Speaker 1: a fight between Molly and Jason at their home. He's
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  Speaker 1: bleeding all over and I I may have killed him,
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  Speaker 1: said Thomas, who previously led a thirty year career as
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  Speaker 1: an FBI agent. Upon arriving at the scene, authorities found
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  Speaker 1: Jason unresponsive and apparently beaten with a baseball batch and
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  Speaker 1: a paving stone. He quickly died from his injuries. Thomas
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  Speaker 1: and Mollie told authorities that Jason's death resulted from a
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  Speaker 1: domestic disturbance. Thomas testified he found Jason strangling Mollie and
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  Speaker 1: refusing to let go while threatening to kill her, leading
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  Speaker 1: the father and daughter to respond in self defense. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: let me go through this because I watched the documentary.
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  Speaker 1: So it's the middle of the night and the dad,
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  Speaker 1: So Mollie Martin's parents are staying in their house. I
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  Speaker 1: think they're visiting. So they're like in the basement, the
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  Speaker 1: mom and the dad. The dad. Mollie Martin's dad worked
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  Speaker 1: for the FBI for like thirty years. Okay, they're in
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  Speaker 1: the basement. Mollie the o pair who is now.
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  Speaker 2: The wife, the new wife.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the new wife and the husband are in bed
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  Speaker 1: and apparently there was some altercation in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the night where he became angry and he was strangling her.
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  Speaker 1: This is what they are alleging. The dad, who is
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  Speaker 1: in the basement, hears a struggle upstairs, so he claims, no, no,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: he grabbed the bat. So he grabs a bat, a
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: baseball bat, and he comes into the bedroom and Mollie
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: apparently just happened to have a brick on the side
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: of like on her bedstand next to the bed. She
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: claims the kids were painting pavers, so she just happened
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: to have one on her bedside table. She didn't put
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: her paper away. So when this dad comes into the room,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: according this is according to their story, because there's only
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: two people alive, right, he claims that he sees the husband,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Jason Corbett, strangling Mollie. He won't let go, and so
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: the two of them beat him into oblivion with a
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: baseball bat and paver and so.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Left alive or the new wife.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: And her father his father, her father, her father who
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: worked for the FBI for thirty years now. I saw scenes,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: photographs from the crime scene in this documentary. There is blood, Oh.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: This is one? Where was blood everywhere? Huh?
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Everywhere? They this is? And when you claim self defense,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: like I'm not a criminal law attorney, but I took criminal.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Law, well, I would think one hit on the head
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: with a paver is enough.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Self defense is basically reasonable force or the same type
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: of force that is being used against you. Like if
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: someone's you know, hitting you with a book.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Well it's enough to stop the imminent.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Threat, right, But you can't use deadly force as self defense.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: If someone isn't using deadly force against.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Me, I would think choking is deadly force.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I would too. But when you have two people and
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: one has a brick and one has a baseball bat,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I feel like one whack with a baseball bat is
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: going to get the guy to let go. If that's
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: allegedly what was happening.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know. He might have hit him twice three times, Well,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: they hit him times. That might have been scared out
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: of their minds and they just kept beating him until
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't move. If we don't know, No, here's the
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: thing that I was getting at earlier. The first wife's
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: murder is now suspic or excuse me, death passing is suspicious.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: She dies as asthma, yes, and then he's found choking
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: his new wife. Well, think about it.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I have thought about it. But you also have
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: to realize that Mollie Martin's and her dad are the
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: only two people that are alive that can say what happened.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: That evening, investigators arrived to find Jason's naked body sprawled
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: in the master bedroom, surrounded by extensive blood splatters on
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: the floors, walls, doors, bed, hallway, and even bathroom surfaces,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: indicating a violent struggle occurred. Expert Stuart James identified multiple
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: impact spatter zones on the quilt inside the mattress box spring,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: suggesting Jason took initial blows while still in bed.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: So is it leading towards the Maybe it was just
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: a flat out murder like he was in bed, laying
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: down and then was beaten.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Long walls at varying heights, indicating strikes as he fell
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: and moved through the room. Cast Off patterns on a
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: vacuum cleaner and Jason's boxer shorts showed blood flung off
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: swinging weapons at different angles. A baseball bat and a
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: concrete paving brick, both found covered in Jason's blood and hair,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: were established as the murder weapon. Mollie Martin's reportedly spent
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: fifty five hundred dollars to have the home professionally cleaned
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: just hours after she was released from questioning. The cleaning
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: removed blood traces, which complicated forensic follow up at the house.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know how they preserve the scene.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: That's that's see. I was just going to ask that
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense. You come up on this
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: scene where someone's been murdered and there's a baseball bat
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: and a paver as weapons, and there's blood splatter everywhere.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: You don't know exactly what happened. But she paid fifty
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: five hundred dollars the next day to clean it all up. Yeah,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, did they get all the photos and evidence
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: that they needed in their I don't want that initial.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean it doesn't sound like it,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: but I don't know.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to be because, first of all, when
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: there's a nine to one one call about a murderer,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: are they going to immediately send like these forensic specialists.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: At that time, they're just going to send police and
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: a coroner and then they're probably going to come back
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: and investigate.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they would call homicide team or something, right,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: like a specialized forensic because clearly it's foul play, right.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: So, but I mean, even what we learned from just
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: going through Karen Reid was that there were multiple times
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: that there was these specialized forensic teams that came in
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: on the specific things.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I bet look at her call log. I bet she
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: called the boss and police department said how do I
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: clean up the crime scene? And I need to rehome
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: my dog? What do I do?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah? How do I get rid of this favor? Mollie
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: was also working diligently to get Jason's body cremated before
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Jason's sister, Tracy Lynch and her husband David Lynch had
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: a chance to examine the body. Now, so Jason the deceased,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: his family is all in Ireland. But Mollie was unsuccessful
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: and Tracy was able to see firsthand what was done
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: to her brother. Now we get to August six of
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, Jack and Sarah Corbett. These are the two children. Okay,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: h they are brought to the Dragonfly Child Advocacy Center
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: for questioning Jack. They're ten and eight at the time. Jack,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: age ten, told social workers he had seen Jason get
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: angry with Mollie and that Jason had physically hurt her,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: saying that he witnessed it firsthand. Sarah, who was age eight,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: echoed this, saying their father yelled and hurt Mollie. However,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: when probed, she admitted it wasn't based on a direct observation,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: but rather things she heard from her mom. Now remember
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: this is not her biological mom. Mollie Martin's is the nanny,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the nanny who married the dad who became a stepmom.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Sarah also said that she used the code words galaxy
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: and peacock with Molly's mother to signal when Jason became angry.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Peacock.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: You know, I saw them say that when they.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Were Was that like safe words or something?
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Well, I think they were so that if she wanted
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: to call and tell someone there was something going on,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: they could say peacock instead of saying dad's being angry
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: and he overheard it. It was like a code word
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: to say, like there was trouble at the house. Right
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: then the children rescinded their statements. So this is where
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: it gets complicated. When I was first watching this documentary,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, it seems pretty straightforward. She marries him,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: she marries him quickly, she becomes a step mom. She's
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: really into these kids' lives, like she does everything for them.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: She clearly wants to be their mom. She wants to
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: adopt them. I know she wants to adopt them, but
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: he won't. I think he like maybe strings her along
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: and is like, well, maybe you can adopt them, but
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: he never actually allows her to adopt the children, so
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: she never formally adopts them.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Why is he controlling over this? I wonder?
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I don't know. Maybe after he
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: married her, maybe there were some red flags. I don't know.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, he may die a date that long.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like I have plans to kill you, so
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I don't need to go through this adoption.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Another way to ask for like code for help? What
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: is like if you're if there's a burglar there or
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: someone there and they say call like if you had
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: if someone's holding me hostage, they say, get Emily Simpson
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: down here. We're really upset with her in last week's episode,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: we want to attack her. Okay, this is actually I
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: would call you and say I need you to come home, dear,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: and can you bring me the Beatles fifth album?
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Why the Beatles fifth album?
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: And then and I'll say I need to borrow it.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Can you bring it home with you or pick it
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: up on your way home?
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Well then the fifth album's name is help.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, doesn't that sound suspicious? And if you're in
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: front of kidnappers and you're telling me to bring the
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Beatles fifth album, you don't think they're going to find
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: that strange.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're savvy enough.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: That sounds like a normal call.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: On a Chips episode when I was a little kid,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: and I've been waiting to use that ever since.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Well, now you have had the opportunity.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: No I didn't. No, I didn't get to use it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Oh you mean you want to actually? Yes? Yes?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. All right. Once Tracy and David Lynch
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: were given custody of the children. This is his sister
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: and his brother in law that lives in Ireland, they
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: were given custody of the children. She wanted custody of
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the kids, but they were given custody, but she never
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: adopted them formally, so they went to the aunt and
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: the uncle. Per Jason's will, they traveled back to Ireland
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: in August of twenty fifteen. Within days of their return,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: they began to recant the statements they made at the
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Dragonfly Center, telling their aunt Tercy, that they had been
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: coached by Mollie to say their father was abusive in
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: a Skype interview in twenty sixteen. So Jack is the
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: oldest son and in this documentary there's a lot of
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: interviews with him, and he's very emotional and he claims
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: that he was coached to say these things, that he
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: actually thought his dad was a great dad, and then
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: he had a very close relationship with his dad. But
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: he also wanted to I don't know, like he was
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: close with Molly because that's the only mom he really knew,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: and so he admits, so he wanted to do the
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: skype interview and he wants to admit that quote, I
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: didn't tell the truth that Dragonfly Molly made me lie. Sarah,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: the daughter, similarly discussed or disclosed in diary entries that
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: she was instructed by Molly on what to say. So
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: then we get to the trial in twenty seventeen, the
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: defense sought to include Jack and Sarah's statements. However, the
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: court excluded them, citing a lack of personal knowledge and
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the fact that they'd been recanted, classifying them as unreliable hearsay.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Mollie had been accused of lying to friends and family,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: i e. Claiming she gave birth to Sarah, which helped
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: reinforce this manipulation claim. So in August of twenty seventeen,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Mollie Martin's and Tom Martins were found guilty of second
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: degree murder in Jason Corbett's death by a jury in
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the Davison County Superior Court. Know, this is one of
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: those cases where when I was watching it in the beginning,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: it seemed very straightforward to me, Like they got married,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: she wanted to adopt the kids. He was probably abusive
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: to her. Her dad jumped in and intervened, they beat
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: him up. But then these kids and then these kids say, oh, yeah,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: he was abusive towards her, corroborating it, but then they
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: recan't later and they're like, we didn't want to say that.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: We don't really believe that we were coached by her.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: So I had a hard time actually deciphering who was guilty,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: who was at fault, whether he was aggressive that night
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: or not. In February of twenty twenty, so we're talking
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: about three years later, the North Carolina Court of Appeals
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: overturned Molly and Thomas Martin's twenty seventeen convictions, citing prejudicial errors.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Molly and Tom's lawyers specifically referenced the exclusion of Jack
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and Sarah's Dragonfly interviews, the hidden recording devices Molly left
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: throughout the house to document Jason's alleged abuse, and their
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: claim that the death of Jason's first wife was due
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: to strangulation, not an asthma attack. So they get out
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: on appeal because the defense said that these things were
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: not allowed in the first trial. First of all, they
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: didn't allow those interviews at that Dragonfly place with the
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: little kids because they said because the kids recanted them.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: So they were like, what's right, what's the truth here?
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: They're saying that it was and now they're saying that
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: it wasn't. How do you rely on those initial statements
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: that were made, but those were not used in the
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: first trial. Also in this documentary, you can tell she
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: leaves recording devices around. But here's the thing with the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: recording devices, And let me know what you think about this.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: She knows there's a recording device in the kitchen, and
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I saw a scene of this.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: What was the purpose of her recording device?
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Because she was getting evidence that he's aggressive or abusive.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: So she had a recording device in the kitchen. Oh okay,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: she knows it's recording. So I'm saying it was very
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: to me. I'm watching it, and it feels very easy
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: for her to manipulate the situation. She's very calm and cool, right, right, right.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: She put on her poker face.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I don't know. He's like upset. He came
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: home from work and he's upset about the dinner or
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: soup or something. I don't know. I didn't think it
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: was aggressive or overly abusive or anything. I thought maybe
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: he was just being kind of a jerk. But I
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: don't know if that's evidence that this man would strangle.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: As Why if I acted that way, would you say
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: jerk or abusive?
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I would say jerk. I wouldn't say it was abusive.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: But I also feel as if it's a setup. She's recording.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: She knows it's recording. She puts it in the kitchen.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: He comes home from work. He's probably tired from the day.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: He's being he's being crappy. He's not being great.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's not. It wasn't like organic interaction unknown
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: to either party. That is being recorded, right, clearly, she's
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: setting him up.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Right, And I don't know. Maybe he comes home from
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: work every irritated. Maybe he has bad days at work
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: and he comes home and he's irritated. She knows he's
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: going to be irritated. She puts a recording device in
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: the kitchen. She stays cool and calm.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Maybe she has cool and calm.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: She hit him with a paper in the head until
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: his brain matter was.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Well, she lost it.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: All I know is his first wife died of asthma,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: and that's suspicious.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: You can't get past the asthma, can't you?
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: No?
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: All right? And the North Carolina Supreme Court, in a
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: four to three vote, affirmed the decision, officially vacating the
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: murder convictions and remanding for a new trial. So a
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: new retrial was initially scheduled to begin on June twenty
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: sixth of twenty twenty three. However, to avoid another trial,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Molly pleaded no contest and Tom this is her Dad,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: pleaded guilty to voluntary manslaughter per a negotiated plea deal.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Both were sentenced to fifty one to seventy four months
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: in prison. You thought I was gonna say years.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: In Well, still at fifty one.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: To seventy four months in prison, with credit for the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: forty four months already served, effectively leaving them around seven
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: to thirty months remaining. In June sixth of twenty twenty four,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Molly and Tom were both released from prison. A Deadly
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: American Marriage was released on Netflix with interviews from Mollie, Tom, Jack, Sarah, Tracy,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and David. In this documentary, we witnessed Jack and Sarah
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: prepare for the retrial and recount their personal experiences of
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: manipulation at the hands of Mollie. Mollie and her dad
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Tom are adamant that it was an act of self defense,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: but Jason's family and children are not convinced and believe
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: that he was murdered in cold blood. So I don't know.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: It's very interesting. I want you guys to watch it
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and tell me what you think. Because I was still
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: at the end of it, I was still conflicted whether
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I felt as if he was so aggressive that night
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: that they really needed to use a baseball bat and
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: a brick paver to his head.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: So does she had cameras recording prior to all this?
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: It wasn't cameras. It was recording, was audio recording audio.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: It was audio recordings. But to me, I felt as
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: if she was doing that because she was setting up right,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I know, you know, she's setting up her her evidence.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was clearly in her favor.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was premeditated. It's premeditated that she's getting, you know,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: this evidence in order that she wants.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: To use building her case.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: She's building a case. She wanted to adopt these children.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: He would never formally allow her to adopt them. I
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: think she was really mad about that because I think
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: she had plans of like divorcing him and taking the kids.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I think she was obsessed with the kids. That's my takeaway.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know. So she killed wife, No, she didn't
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: know the first wife, But I'm saying she wasn't the nanny.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: She was the nanny after the first wife died. Remember
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: they didn't have a nanny. He was married and it
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: was a moment they had no they had young kids together.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: The first wife dies, They're.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: In Ireland right then he goes then.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Hires the nanny to help take care of the kids,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: and then he quickly mary nanny, quickly marries the nanny,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: but the nanny becomes In my opinion, based upon what
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I watched and what I saw in the interviews and everything,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I felt as if Mollie Martins was obsessed with these children.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I felt as if she was obsessed with being their mom,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: them being hers. As I said earlier, she had even
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: lied to other friends and family about giving birth to them.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's like that movie Rock the Cradle. Yeah,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Like I mean, I remember the mom would come home
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: be like, my baby's not drinking milk. That's because she
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: was breast.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very Molly Martins.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: My takeaway was that she was so obsessed with these
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: children and that he would not allow her to legally
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: informally adopt them. So she knew if there was a
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: divorce or whatever, did he.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Have money or did he have anything any type of
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: financial appeal that maybe she thought she would take the
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: kids in the money.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think it had to do with money, she
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: was as truly.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Obsessed with two kids.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I think she was truly obsessed with the children and
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: being their mother.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Was she not able to have her own kids? Do
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: you know anything like that?
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if she was able to
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: have her own children. I don't. I feel as if
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: when she was the nanny for these kids, they were
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: so young and they didn't have a mother at all,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: that she just became the mother figure, right.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: And she so as far as she was concerned with
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: price since since.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: And I believe they called her mom, like quickly after
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: they were married.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: They start that's all they knew.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: That's all they knew. Yeah, And I think she was
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: so obsessed with these children that I don't know. My
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: takeaway is, especially since there was a brick and a bat.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Well, you're obsessed with our children. Should I worry?
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I am obsessed with our children, Yes, Should I worry? No?
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Because I have legal rights to them. She had no
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: legal rights to the children. That's what made me think.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And also her her trail of evidence that she was
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: setting up and the recordings before that incident, and the
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: dad was an FBI. He worked for the FBI for
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: thirty years. He knows what to say and what to do. Yeah,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: and he knows how to answer the questions.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Well, they should do a test on the paper. Was
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: the pay Was the paver really part of that property? No?
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: They were the kids, the kids who had an art project.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: You know how you can paint, I know, but did
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: they really have that?
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Well, there were there were other pavers that were painted.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, maybe she set that up. Maybe she went and
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: bought papers, said hey, kids, we're gonna paint some papers.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: The kids were like, well there's one extra, and oh yeah,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I don't worry about that, but I'll leave it Benet,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: that's mine. I'll paint it later. Yeah, I'm gonna paint
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: it read later.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I'm saying. I'm telling you it is not.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I watched this documentary and it left me with more
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: questions than answers. I found her very manipulative. The dad,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: her dad worked for the FBI. I don't know if
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I see the husband as aggressive. The way she explains it,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: she's building a case. She's recording him when he doesn't
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: know it. The kids are recanting and saying that she
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: manipulated them and told them what to say. I don't know.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I just I had a hard time with her. So anyway,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: if you get the opportunity, watch it on Netflix. DM
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: me tell me what you think, because it's called a
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Deadly American Marriage. All right. I wanted to come back
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: to we've talked about last time. I believe we talked
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: about Brian.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Coburger and the Okay, the Coburger.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Now we're moving on to Coburger just a little bit
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: here at the end. I want to go into that
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: just because he did take a plea deal. But there's
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: also just to tell you guys, if you like to
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: watch all this true crime stuff like I do, there's
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: a new documentary. It's called One Night in Idaho. It's
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: a new Coburger documentary and it came out on July eleventh,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: and it's on Prime if you guys would like to
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: watch it. So, Brian Coberger, we know, has formally confessed
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: in writing to the twenty twenty two Idaho murders. And
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: he did not provide any explanation for the murders. There's
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: no motive in there whatsoever. However, this is what I
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: think is interesting. So there's a new book coming out
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and I pre ordered it and it's written by an
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: investigative journalist who has been covering the stories from day
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: one in Idaho. And also Scott Patterson, who we know
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: is is a huge fed author. I mean he's very basic.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Scott yeah written.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I know you're gonna ask me that I have no idea.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Well, you said he's very famous, So what is he written?
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't read any of his books.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: He's famous, but apparently, and I thought this was very interesting.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Brian Coberger had a fascination with a serial killer named
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Elliott Roger. Elliott Roger has since become a figure in
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: the in cell or involuntary celibate's movement. I had never
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: heard of Booth either. Have you ever heard of this
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: involuntary celibacy? Involuntary celibacy you do wear like a padlock
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: underwear or something. No, it's because you're rejected, so to speak.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: You're you're found, you're not found appealing by women.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, involuntary, Like, no one's forcing you to be celibate, right,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: but based on your unfortunate circumstances, you cannot break celibacy, right,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: got it?
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: So Coburger took a class about serial killers and their motives.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Including that of Elliott Roger, who was a twenty no
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: who was a twenty two year old virgin, who was
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: who fatally stabbed or shot six people and injured fourteen
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: in East La Vista, California, before killing himself in May
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: of twenty fourteen. Okay, first of all, I've never heard
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: of this guy, but I find this really interesting. He
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: had posted a video online about his plan to kill
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: his revenge for being rejected by women. In this video,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: he says, I'm twenty two years old and I'm still
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: a virgin. I've never even kissed a girl. I don't
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: know why you girls aren't attracted to me, but I
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: will punish you all for it. It's an injustice, a crime,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: because I don't know what you don't see in me.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I'm the perfect guy, and yet you throw yourselves at
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: these obnoxious men instead of me, the supreme gentleman. I
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: will punish all of you for it. So then he
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: goes on to murder six people based upon this anger
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: that he has because he is a twenty two year
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: old virgin and women are not interested in him.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Christine Cameron, who was an administrator of that turnout for him,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: he killed himself and may have two thousand and five.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Clearly he died a virgin.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Christine Cameron, who is an administrator of the University of
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Idaho murders facebook page, said that shortly after the murders
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: were conducted, a Facebook user named Papa Roger. Remember this
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: guy's name is Elliott Roger and he's dead, began leaving
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: disturbing messages and their discussion group. Cameron said, after Brian
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Coberger is arrested, I start thinking, Okay, Papa Roger, Elliott Roger.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: If you listen to some of the manifestos of Elliott Roger,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: he talks about hating all the girls from Alpha Phi,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: which is the same sorority that Kaylee Gonsalves was in.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: You know, I've never once thought to kill women that
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: said no to.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Me, well you're not a virgin.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Well no, but I mean like if you ask him
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: on a day and they say no, it's not my
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: first thought isn't, Well then you might die?
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe more like, what am I doing wrong?
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Let me get go to the self help section at
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: the Barns and Noble, let me figure it out.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe I was also thinking, maybe that's why women
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: rejected him so much because I feel like maybe he
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: gave off some type of string murder like serial killer vibe.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: So I mean, there's that all right. So we know
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Brian Coburger took the plea deal to avoid the death penalty.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: So what are your you know, I've read a little
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: bit more about this about the plea deal.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: One.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: He did sign a confession, but there's no motive in
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: the confession, so I do there is that sense of
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: not having closure, but.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: The m I agree with that, and I don't know
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: what it's like. So I don't want to put myself
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: in their shoes and act like I know. But it's
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: like he's crazy. He probably couldn't get the women and
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: so he killed them. I mean, I think that's pretty straightforward.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: So you're saying, in your mind, it's not like you
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: would need a motive to feel closure, because we were
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: talking about someone who's clearly a psychopath, and it's that
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: that happened to me.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'd ever get closure like oh
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: now I'm at peace, I would just maybe it would
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: put it to rest, like the questions, but it would
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: That's why I unders said when people say oh now,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: they can have closure, which again no disrespect to parents
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: of their children, but it's like the kid's still dead.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: That would be tough to move on and act like closure.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'd ever have closure. I might,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I might be able to move on a little bit
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: here and there or whatever, but I don't know if
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: i'd be like at peace, especially just because of a motive.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Well, I think when it to me, the way I
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: understand closure in this sense is that there's some form
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: of justice.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another thing I have a problem with because
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: is it just okay, so he if he goes, if
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: he gets to death penalty, right, I know he's not,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: But if he gets to death penalty, is that justice
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: in the sense like, because I see justice as like okay, narrative,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: thing's equal. So if they yeah, well no, no, like
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: like you robbed me of fifty bucks and and now
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: you gave me my fifty bucks back, justice like we're
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: back to zero even. But like when you're a child,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: when there's a murder, no matter as child, and they're dead,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: it's just it's really hard for me to think, like
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: when when people say that sorry, I know I'm around me,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: but when people say oh, there's justice. I just in
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: the back of my head, I think, no, that there's
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: still at a loss.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that. But if you if something happened
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: to your child or someone in your family, and if
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: there was no repercussion, like it's let's say your child's
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: murdered and you never find the murderer, you don't feel
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: like you would you would die without any closure of
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: knowing who it was or what happened, yeah, or any sense.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: You're right when I say justice, that.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: There's there's I just I guess I just I don't
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: refer to as justice because it's still unfortunate. That's that's
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: what I've always thought.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: It's just my thoughts, I know, but I think I
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: think the idea of closure here is that he receives
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: punishment for his crime, as opposed to that's that's how
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: you put the period on.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: But there's not enough.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: That these parents have had to go through. And how
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: he finally ended is that there's some form that he
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: that they can maybe find some piece knowing that he's
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: you know, received the death penalty and that he has
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: to go to sleep and his cell every night with
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: the anticipation that someday he's going to die by lethal
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: injection or you know, firing squad.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. That's just that's just a hard
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: pill for me as well. That's all.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Well, the irony is is that he clearly took a
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: plea deal to avoid the death penalty when he had
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: no problem taking the lives of four people.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Right, And and then it's like, well, why should you
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: grant him that that the the privilege of choosing whether
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: he's entitled to the death penalty or not. Right, I
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: would go for the death penalty. I'd be like, now,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: we're going to go for it. But I understand that
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: the parents that think, no, we want to be done
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: with and just you know, go forward to our lives.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Well, that the whole that's very divided between the families
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: because there's four, and I do believe that I think
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: it's split. There's I think there's two that are happy
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: to just be done with it. He took the plea
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: deal in the one and.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: I get that. I get the other way too. I
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: get it both with.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Right, but they're both Neither one of them are wrong
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: in their thinking. It's just that's their takeaway and how
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: they feel. Anyway, when I get the book. I'm going
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: to read it, so I'll let you all know. I
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: do think it's interesting that maybe he carried out a
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: manifesto that had to do with this earlier serial killer
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: named Elliott Rogers. So if you guys want to look
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: more into that, you can look that up and read
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: more about it. And anyway, that is the end of
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: the show for today. Thank you so much for listening.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: If you have other cases that are of interest that
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: you want to DM me about, I appreciate it. You know,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I have gotten multitudes of dms from you guys asking
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: about us covering the case in Australia about the woman
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: that laced like a beef Wellington with poisonous mushrooms and
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: and killed some of her family members with poisonous mushrooms.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: She was actually when I was in Paris last week,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: she was sentence.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: And she went to the to the extent of making
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: beef Welling.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I believe I think it was like beef Wellington or
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: something like that. Anyway, I know it's very interesting and
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: I've had tons of you s DM saying can you
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: guys please cover that and maybe we will. I need
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: to think about it a little bit more The problem
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: is with that is that it happened in Australia and
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of times when we go through these cases,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: we like to talk about legal you know, just a
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: lot of legal things and I, you know, I don't know.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Well, we could talk about it like it had it
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: been in America, you know.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true too. We could make comparisons. So anyway,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: that's still in America.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be beef Wellington, No, it would not be.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: It would be like a burger or something or Hamburger.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: It'd be in and out. But anyway, so thank you
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: for that. If there's any other cases of interests that
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: are in the news or that you find interesting, please
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: let me know and thank you for listening.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Thanks