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SEX OFFENDERS IN VT · Aired Out

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  Speaker 1: Up to doing me.
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  Speaker 2: Anything or on top of the morning, and thanks for
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  Speaker 2: getting you day started with me.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for sharing your time, your coffee. We have a
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  Speaker 3: Tuesday morning with a great rest of your week. Boy,
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  Speaker 3: yesterday was an eye opening experience for me over at
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  Speaker 3: the Good Shepherd Warming Shelter, and so nice to chat
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  Speaker 3: with Test Tailor over there and Nicholas Sturelli Castro and
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  Speaker 3: got a chance to chat with a few homeless folks
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  Speaker 3: off the air yesterday and they actually asked me if
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  Speaker 3: they could share the microphone sometime and share their story.
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  Speaker 3: But another brutally cold night last night, down into the
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  Speaker 3: single digits in some areas. I believed we bottomed out
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  Speaker 3: around zero and maybe even like Negati of won. But
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  Speaker 3: another frigid night last night. Here's the good news. It
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  Speaker 3: already seems warmer this morning. I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 3: Isn't it funny how like when you get it, when
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  Speaker 3: you get a snap and then it gets into like
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  Speaker 3: the twenties, It's like, ah, this feels so nice. We
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  Speaker 3: have some sunshine, we have some clouds, and late afternoon
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  Speaker 3: highs today around twenty eight degrees. That's the beginning of
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  Speaker 3: this warming trend that we've been telling you about. Tonight
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  Speaker 3: looks like really twenty one wow, bal me, cloudy skies,
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  Speaker 3: and then tomorrow here we go. Is this the January
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  Speaker 3: thaw coming early because the polar vortex hit early in
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  Speaker 3: early December? I don't know, but thirty nine degrees tomorrow
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  Speaker 3: with cloudy skies and by Thursday is this real? Forty three?
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  Speaker 3: Not to get excited here, but this is like, I
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  Speaker 3: love this. Forty three on Thursday and by Friday bathing
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  Speaker 3: suit weather fifty one degrees. Some of us are going
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  Speaker 3: to be out tanning outdoors in the backyard, poolside, maybe
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  Speaker 3: fifty one on Friday. So here's the thing. This warm
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  Speaker 3: up is not gonna last long though, as I think
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  Speaker 3: most of you probably already know. Once we get into
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  Speaker 3: the weekend, it starts going back down, and by next
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  Speaker 3: week it is more seasonable, I would say, more normal twenties.
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  Speaker 3: For next week, which is Christmas. I know, have you
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  Speaker 3: even started the Christmas shopping yet? Friday night, I'll be
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  Speaker 3: at Montpellier mas de Volkswagen Santa Claus and the Misses
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  Speaker 3: are coming to town. I'm not sure if the Grinch
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  Speaker 3: is going to be there as well, but apparently preparations
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  Speaker 3: have been made at the NAP Airport for the arrival
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  Speaker 3: of Sanna Sleigh on Friday, and he will be chauffeured
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  Speaker 3: directly from the NAP Airport to Montpellier Masta in Volkswagen,
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  Speaker 3: where he'll be giving out candy canes and cookies and
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  Speaker 3: hot coco and getting the kids all sugared up and
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna have a lot of fun. It's going to
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  Speaker 3: be great Friday night. I'll be there. I think it's
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  Speaker 3: starts at four pm, goes till six pm. Everyone's welcome,
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  Speaker 3: everything's free. Also this weekend, Barry Elks on Saturday has
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  Speaker 3: their falling into the Holidays. The VFW has their big
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  Speaker 3: breakfast on Saturday morning, which is going to be incredible.
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  Speaker 3: And being that eighty is Tuesday, I always like to
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  Speaker 3: remind people that there's the Tuesday night dinner at the
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  Speaker 3: Very American Legion. Dine in or take out your choice.
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  Speaker 3: It's just twelve box. It starts at five point thirty.
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  Speaker 3: Please order head if he can like now four seven, nine,
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  Speaker 3: nine zero five eight. I know it was Chicken out
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  Speaker 3: fred Oh last time. I'm not sure what it is
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  Speaker 3: at this time, but they do a great job the
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  Speaker 3: American Legion post ten right here in the Granite City
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  Speaker 3: and keep an eye on the world because they've they
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  Speaker 3: always post us, and they always post what's on the
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  Speaker 3: menu as well. This morning, we are going to get real,
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  Speaker 3: and we're going to get uncomfortable, and we're going to
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  Speaker 3: be pretty transparent, and we're going to talk about things
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  Speaker 3: that are going to hit a nerve with many people
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  Speaker 3: and ruffle feathers. I'm sure people are. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to preface by saying people are going to react
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  Speaker 3: differently to what we're going to talk about the morning,
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  Speaker 3: and you're probably going to have an opinion on this,
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  Speaker 3: and I think many of us would admit that with
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  Speaker 3: subject matters like children and sex offenders, it hits a
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  Speaker 3: nerve with pretty much everybody. And everyone's got a thought
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  Speaker 3: on this, and everyone has an opinion, a feeling, and
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  Speaker 3: they're varied. Before we go any further, please try to
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  Speaker 3: be as respectful as you can with your comments to
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  Speaker 3: others and honestly to yourself. Think before you type, think
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  Speaker 3: before you respond or react. Every story, every situation in
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  Speaker 3: Vermont and far beyond that involves the vulnerability of children
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  Speaker 3: with regard to sex offenders, and abuse, whether it be
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  Speaker 3: sexual or otherwise, is unique and is different. No two
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  Speaker 3: are the same. What we're going to talk about this
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  Speaker 3: morning is not necessarily any and we may rush on it,
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  Speaker 3: but we're not going to take a deep dive on
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  Speaker 3: any specific case. My intention is not to blow the
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  Speaker 3: whistle on any individual or certainly any case here in
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  Speaker 3: Vermont that is still active, still pending. The last thing
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to do is compromise myself or any of
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  Speaker 3: these cases. So with that said, I have an individual
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  Speaker 3: with me this morning on the couch who is brave
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  Speaker 3: enough to come in here and shed a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of light on this. I think it would be the
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  Speaker 3: responsible thing to do to have some basic parameters in place,
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  Speaker 3: and that's what we've done. Like I said, we're not
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  Speaker 3: gonna The intention here is not to air out any
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  Speaker 3: particular story in great depth, rather to shed light on
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  Speaker 3: what we as Vermonters are doing to protect children and
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  Speaker 3: what our laws are doing or not doing to protect
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  Speaker 3: children in our state. And I think it would be
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  Speaker 3: fair to say that, at least based on what I've read,
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  Speaker 3: what I've seen, what I've heard, what I've chatted with
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  Speaker 3: people over the decades, that Vermont is too laxidasel in
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  Speaker 3: many departments that there's too much slapping on the wrist.
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  Speaker 3: There's too much catch and release that's going on in
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  Speaker 3: all areas, a lot of areas, crime as a whole,
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  Speaker 3: if you want to go up forty thousand feet. What
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  Speaker 3: hits a nerve with me is in particular children and
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  Speaker 3: the elderly. Those are two areas that are hot buttons
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  Speaker 3: for me personally. I want to thank Laura daily for
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  Speaker 3: coming in here and for being brave enough to come
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  Speaker 3: on camera and microphone and share your take on this subject.
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  Speaker 3: It's super sensitive stuff, man, and like I, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like I let off this morning, Laura, not everybody is
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  Speaker 3: going to agree with everything that comes out of my
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  Speaker 3: mouth or yours with regard to this. You know, there's
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  Speaker 3: part of me that wants to be a little careful here,
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  Speaker 3: but not too careful, because the bottom line is, in
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  Speaker 3: the end, this is about our children. In the end,
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  Speaker 3: That's where the buck stops right there. And anyone in
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  Speaker 3: this in this state or anywhere listening who doesn't see
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  Speaker 3: the value and the importance, the critical importance of putting
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  Speaker 3: our kids first and protecting our kids safety above all
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  Speaker 3: other things, even above education, above everything that doesn't see
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  Speaker 3: that as the number one most important priority. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what planet they're living on, but I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to go anywhere near their planet. I agree, because that
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  Speaker 3: that's crazy, that's crazy. Your intentions are good, and I
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  Speaker 3: have vetted you enough. I think I feel to know
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  Speaker 3: that your intentions are good and that you're not some
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  Speaker 3: vigilante with a chip on her shoulder who's looking to
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  Speaker 3: just go around and blow whistles here. Is that accurate?
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  Speaker 3: You have your own story, I do. Uh, you're already
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  Speaker 3: being thanked for coming on here by quite a few people.
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  Speaker 3: Ye yeah, I'm and listen, there's plenty that are watching
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  Speaker 3: and listening this morning who don't know Laura Daily, and
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  Speaker 3: they don't know your story, your personal story. This is
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  Speaker 3: a wicked hot button for you. Yep. You have your
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  Speaker 3: own experiences, your own your own, like I said, your
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  Speaker 3: own story that go to this. And I don't think
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  Speaker 3: we're going to necessarily get on that on ramp and
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  Speaker 3: drive down that road today, I think the main reason
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  Speaker 3: and maybe we can someday. I don't know, we'll have
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  Speaker 3: that conversation off the air about whether or not will
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  Speaker 3: do that. But I think your main attention today is
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  Speaker 3: to get the attention of lawmakers, get the attention of
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  Speaker 3: the Vermont legislators that are getting ready to begin a
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  Speaker 3: new session, to say, what do we have in place
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  Speaker 3: right now? Is it effective, is it working? And if not,
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  Speaker 3: what can we do to push this subject higher up
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  Speaker 3: on the list. I know there's a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 3: going on. I know we've got a lot of things
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  Speaker 3: to fix, a lot of things to work out. I
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  Speaker 3: already know we all know what they are. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I talk about housing all the time, affordability, The list
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  Speaker 3: goes on. It's a mile long. This is one that
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  Speaker 3: you and I both feel cannot be dusted under the rug.
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  Speaker 3: It's wicked, uncomfortable to talk about. It's uncomfortable for legislators
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  Speaker 3: to talk about. But it's a conversation that has to
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  Speaker 3: be had, and we can't just rely on one newspaper
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  Speaker 3: or two or one podcast to bring this subject to light.
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  Speaker 3: We've got to do more. We you, us, others watching
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  Speaker 3: and listening, are relying on others the populace to get involved.
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  Speaker 3: One or two people actively pushing this isn't going to
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  Speaker 3: do it. We need a lot of people to step
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  Speaker 3: up and at the absolute least sign a petition saying
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  Speaker 3: we need to bring awareness to this, we need to
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  Speaker 3: do more in our state to keep kids safe. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 3: what say you about all this? So hi, everybody, So
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  Speaker 3: I know, I'm I just I just like it took
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  Speaker 3: a huge deep breath. But I'm passionate about this too.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I'm glad. So I'm Laura Daily and I
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  Speaker 4: recently found out because of a situation that there is
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  Speaker 4: no set rules that says that sex offenders can't be
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  Speaker 4: on school grounds public property there in Vermont. There's also
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  Speaker 4: no rules that say they can't live within a certain
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  Speaker 4: distance of a school or a childcare And there are
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  Speaker 4: thirty states that do have those rules in place.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, thirty three thirty three Vermont is not one of them.
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  Speaker 4: Correct, Okay, yes, And in fact, one of the first
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  Speaker 4: things I said to you is to google Google the
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  Speaker 4: best place to live if you are a sex offender,
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  Speaker 4: And one of the first states to pop up was Vermont.
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  Speaker 4: I saw that, yep, and it's I'd love for others
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  Speaker 4: to do that too, because it's it's eye opening, it
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  Speaker 4: really is.
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  Speaker 3: The Hardware Gazette just posted an article December ninth, which
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  Speaker 3: is uh, you're you're all over it. I'm going I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to read the front of it and I'll i'll
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  Speaker 3: put it in the link here as well. Actually, i'll
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  Speaker 3: do that right now before I forget, so people can
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  Speaker 3: see this and read. But the article, and I've got
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  Speaker 3: it in the links right now, says Parents and others
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  Speaker 3: in the Greater Plainfield Marshfield area have taken issue with
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  Speaker 3: the respect or with the recent presence of a registered
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  Speaker 3: sex offender on school properties, taking action by circulating a
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  Speaker 3: petition addressed to from Mount lawmakers. The petition, authored by
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  Speaker 3: area advocate Laura Daily, states, quote in Vermont, an alarming
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  Speaker 3: scenario unfolds as a convicted sex offender, previously a school
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  Speaker 3: bus driver, continues to have access to public school properties.
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  Speaker 3: This offender was released early, and because his current girlfriend's
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  Speaker 3: child attends the school, he's allowed to pick up the
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  Speaker 3: child and be present on school grounds. To make matters worse,
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  Speaker 3: some of his victims who attended the same school have
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  Speaker 3: encountered him there, causing further trauma to individuals already gravely
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  Speaker 3: affected by his actions. The court and his probation officer
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  Speaker 3: maintain he has changed, but the horrific memories and emotions,
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  Speaker 3: emotional scars he inflicted linger severely impacting his victims. This
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  Speaker 3: is you know, when I read about something like this,
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  Speaker 3: to me, this isn't about It's just not about who
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  Speaker 3: this individual is today. And you know, I try, I try.
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  Speaker 3: I try to approach the microphone and my platform here
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  Speaker 3: at aired out first and foremost with taking a deep breath,
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  Speaker 3: taking a step back, thinking about things from a broader
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  Speaker 3: perspective instead of reacting quickly emotionally, and try to go
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  Speaker 3: forward with empathy first. That's why I say with respect,
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  Speaker 3: I try to put myself in others shoes is as
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  Speaker 3: much as possible. I try to. May not be great
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  Speaker 3: at it in some instances, but at least I try to.
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  Speaker 3: And I say to myself, what if that were you?
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  Speaker 3: What if you changed and became a good person, a
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  Speaker 3: productive member of your society, a good a good person again,
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  Speaker 3: what would would you be? Okay? I say to myself,
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  Speaker 3: would you be okay if even years and years down
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  Speaker 3: the road, you just simply couldn't go to the school,
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  Speaker 3: You just simply couldn't be a bus driver again, or
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  Speaker 3: or whatever, you just simply weren't allowed on the property.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's like, that's what it is, that's what it
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  Speaker 3: comes with, and unfortunately that's that's how you've got to
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  Speaker 3: live the rest of your life. And it sucks. But
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  Speaker 3: what happened happened, and you you just can't really dodge
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  Speaker 3: any of these things anymore. You need to. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: saying that that you should spend the rest of your life,
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  Speaker 3: you know, suffering gravely, but that's one of the conditions
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  Speaker 3: where you just it's not negotiable. You're just simply not
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  Speaker 3: able to go on to school, property correct or live
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  Speaker 3: next to a school. Sorry.
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  Speaker 4: The victims deal with it every day for the rest
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  Speaker 4: of their lives. And I know this because I am one.
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  Speaker 4: So I deal with PTSD. I deal with anxiety. I
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  Speaker 4: deal with being afraid of being in public and afraid
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  Speaker 4: that I might see him somewhere or you know something,
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  Speaker 4: something could happen. It's a constant battle in my own
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  Speaker 4: head and it impacts me every day of my life,
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  Speaker 4: and so I believe it should impact the offenders as well.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that you get off because you've been
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  Speaker 4: a good boy for a couple of years. I don't
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  Speaker 4: think that that's how that works. If you made the
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  Speaker 4: choice to take that step and hurt a child, then
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  Speaker 4: you deserve to deal with it the rest of your life,
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  Speaker 4: just like the victims.
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  Speaker 3: Well set. Yeah, I mean the comments that are coming
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  Speaker 3: in this morning are tremendous. The one I just saw.
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  Speaker 3: Most adults can't process seeing or hearing the voice of
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  Speaker 3: their abuse, or how do you think these children feel
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  Speaker 3: at their school? Yeah, yeah, seeing or hearing absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: I mean when I got the phone call to the
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  Speaker 4: person that I had to deal with this with was
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  Speaker 4: being released. It put me in the house for three years.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't leave home. I was so afraid that I
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  Speaker 4: would see him, and I had to rebuild myself from
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  Speaker 4: the ground up because because of what it took, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm talking intensive therapy, intensive impatient outpatient hospitalization throughout my
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  Speaker 4: entire life. I look at my peers now, I see
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  Speaker 4: people that I was in school with that I could
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  Speaker 4: have been at the same level educationally, but because of
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  Speaker 4: what was going on at home, I didn't rise to that.
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  Speaker 4: So now I've gone to college as an adult, I'm
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  Speaker 4: stacking up the degrees now, I'm being successful now. But
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  Speaker 4: there was a whole lot of my life that I
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  Speaker 4: didn't have that because I was so busy dealing with
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  Speaker 4: all of this that you know, it's set me far
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  Speaker 4: behind and I'll never catch up fully, I don't think.
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  Speaker 4: But this is a way that I can possibly help
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  Speaker 4: another kid not have to deal with that, not have
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  Speaker 4: to catch up the rest of their lives, not not
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  Speaker 4: be able to overcome it and end up in their
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  Speaker 4: house for the rest of their lives or worse.
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  Speaker 3: How old were you when this all started in your life?
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  Speaker 4: We estimate about two years old, and it went on
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  Speaker 4: until just before I was fourteen, and then I got
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  Speaker 4: pregnant and had my first child at fifteen, not with
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  Speaker 4: this person, obviously, with someone else. But it was a
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  Speaker 4: means to get away from that. It was if we
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  Speaker 4: have a child right now, then I'll be out of home.
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  Speaker 4: I'll be able to have my own place, and no
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  Speaker 4: one can ever do anything to me again.
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  Speaker 3: If he was rehabilitated and saw things through the eyes
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  Speaker 3: of the victim, wouldn't you make a conscious effort to
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  Speaker 3: stay away so as to not harm them further. That's
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  Speaker 3: that was a question that was just posted in the comments.
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  Speaker 4: That's a very good question.
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  Speaker 3: Very good.
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  Speaker 4: That might be my daughter that actually said it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, but it's a damn good question.
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  Speaker 4: Sure is it? Sure is? I mean, that's a very
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  Speaker 4: very good point. If they really truly felt sorry, wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: they do everything they could to not be put in
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  Speaker 4: a position where they could further traumatize somebody?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: So when did this all hold you now?
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  Speaker 4: Forty five?
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  Speaker 3: When did this all come to kind of a head?
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  Speaker 3: When are you still dealing with it now?
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  Speaker 4: No? No, I was twenty years old and I ran
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  Speaker 4: into the person in public and he actually asked me
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  Speaker 4: about my kids, and it floored me. And then I
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  Speaker 4: heard some thing about him possibly working with some school stuff,
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, this isn't going to happen if
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  Speaker 4: I can do anything about it. And so I went
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  Speaker 4: and reported it. And I found out actually my twenty
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  Speaker 4: first birthday, which was three months ahead, would have been
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  Speaker 4: the statute of limitations on reporting it. So I was
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  Speaker 4: three months before the statute of limitations, and we filed charges.
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  Speaker 4: There was a whole investigation. It was extremely difficult, and
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  Speaker 4: he was convicted and he's on the registry today.
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  Speaker 3: So you had to go back and unearth all of this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I am back.
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  Speaker 3: Right into your head, your heart, your soul, everything.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I had to prove my word against his
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  Speaker 4: because there was no proof. There was no videos back then,
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  Speaker 4: there was no audio, there was no It was my
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  Speaker 4: word against his. So I had to physically go there
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  Speaker 4: and convince him to tell the truth. And I did,
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  Speaker 4: and it was really hard. Twice actually I had to
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  Speaker 4: go there and I did and I was able to
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  Speaker 4: prove it, and it was very hard. And even after
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  Speaker 4: that though, even after having that victory, having him locked up,
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  Speaker 4: having you know, I see it like victory, but it
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: wasn't a victory. It was just a I don't know,
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: feeling of victory, but it wasn't really victory because he's
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: still out there and still able to do the same things.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: But uh, at that point in time, I felt like
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: there was a victory, but then it felt like it
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: was completely starting over again. When he got out, it
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: was like, Okay, what did I what did I even
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: do that? For now I'm a target and that's how
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: it's felt for years. And I had to empower myself.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: I can protect myself. I have people that love me,
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: I have people that help protect me, but it still
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: doesn't stop those thoughts in the middle of the night,
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: or what was that sound, or I remember sleepless nights
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: for years up at night looking out the windows constantly
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: is there somebody coming here, you know, moving to a
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: place that I had a peeo bo address so nobody
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: could find my physical address by looking me up or whatever,
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: And just constant fear for a long time until I
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: took charge of my own head and started dealing with it.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: And this is something all these people are going to
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: have to go through. And the other thing is one
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: of the major issues I see is that when there's
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: a family involved, like this situation with Plainfield, when there's
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: somebody who has a wife and children and then that
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: situation doesn't work out, this person gets in trouble for
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: these kind of things. That wife and children don't automatically
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: get a restraining order, they don't automatically get protections because
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: they're not considered necessarily this person's victim. So even though
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: they are, they are collateral damage. They have to go
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: through the rest of their lives. This person built their
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: life with somebody that they thought was going to be
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: their spouse in this case in many cases, and now
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: they have to live that life. They have to live
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: with that stigma. These kids, this is their dad, you know,
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Many cases. There's many cases, and there's a lot more
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: victims than just the child that was abused in a
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: lot of the cases, and we all have to live
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: with it, And why can't we stop it before it happens?
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: Why can't we limit their access to children? I think
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: about things like drugs. People say that the best way
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: to get away from your habits are to get yourself
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: away from places that trigger you. So things like neighborhoods
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: that have people selling heroin, you don't want to live
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: there if you know you don't want those same things.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Why can't we take these people away from their triggers?
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Why can't we lower the possibility of that? At least?
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: You know, at this point you could live next door
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: to a school and watch out your window and not
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: be breaking the law and be on the registry. That
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: is not okay, That is not okay. There has to
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: be protections. We know we have to take care of
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: our children, we have to watch out for them, but
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: we could use some freaking help.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: A men's sister, why do you think and I ask
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: everyone watching or listening this morning, why do you think
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: that this is the case in Vermont? I'm looking for
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: someone to not just say wow, because our freaking legislators
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: have their heads in their asses. I'm looking for something
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: a little bit more than that. Why is this not
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: as high as it could and should be on the
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: priority list for actually drawing up a bill and implementing it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Why there's a lot of things that people cite as
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: challenges to this, like disproportionately impacting the ability for somebody
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: who's on the registry to find housing, so like if
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: they can't live near a school, then they may be
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: forced into a worse neighborhood and not be able to
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: have a quality of life everybody else could have after
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: they've served their time, and it may impact their ability
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: to get to services and things like that. But if
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: you look at Vermont, we don't have a school on
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: every corner. We don't know town has multiple schools anymore.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: Maybe back in the day when there was a little schoolhouses,
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: but now we are consolidating. There is not a lot
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: of places that this would impact. But the places that
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: it would impact are huge. Yeah, I mean callous. We
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: have one small school. If there was a restriction of
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: five hundred feet, I think that would impact three four houses. Right,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: you know, it's not too much to ask.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: No, and it just doesn't seem like it is. And
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: it's like, if you have to, if you have to
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: go through the rest of your life with these parameters,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: and some of them might be somewhat detrimental to you
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: public transportation or wherever it is where you live, it's
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: out that you have to live farther away than you
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: want to be.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Oh freaking well, yeah, you need your bed, that's my opinion.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to put the link here for the
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: petition that you drew up through change dot Org. I'm
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: going to put the link here in the comments right now,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: and I'm just going to be really honest with you. Yep, Okay,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: how many signatures do you have in this petition right now?
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: When we came in this morning, there was two hundred
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: and eighty seven.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: That's horseshit. Yep, sorry, that sucks in my opinion, Yeah,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: two hundred and eighty seven. Wow, is that sad? I'm
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: putting it in the link right now. Yeah.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: Just sharing, just not yeah, just sharing this petition that's
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: disgusting and this story. I've had people from all over
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: the state come forward and say, I'm fighting this battle.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: I'm fighting this battle. I'm doing this. I'm doing this.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: They're all alone because we're not coming together. If we
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: came together and had a united voice, I feel like
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: there'd be a lot more strength behind this.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, m m hmm. What's the the petition is? Basically,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: it says, I'll put the I'll put the text. It's
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: kind of along, but I'll put the text of the
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: petition in the comments here so folks can can read it.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: I don't think what it's necessarily saying is that it's
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: the goal of anyone to inflict any harm on these offenders,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: but rather to put some real parameters in place to
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: protect children, not just physically protect them, but emotionally protect them,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: protect them. We had comments you know, you know when
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: you see or hear the voice of someone who has
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: caused you harm in the past, could be sexual, maybe
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: not sexual, that that's permanent damage. Your brain is firing
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: and wiring those neurons, and that creates real anxiety and
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: trauma for so many of us of all ages, not
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: just kids. Yep.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: I mean I remember every encounter in my entire life
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: that I've ever had with this person as an adult.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: There's maybe been five since I was an adult, just
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: in the community, random and I remember every single one
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: of them. I don't do that for anybody else. There's
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: no one else I can think of in my life
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: that I remember every single encounter.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Some folks are asking where do we sign the petition?
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: It's right there in the comments. I'm dropping it again.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: There it is.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: I just saw comment if you're convicted from stealing from Walmart,
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: then you're never allowed in a Walmart. Again, very very
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: good point.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: That's an I missed that comment. Yeah, I have a
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: lot of reading to go back and do.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of good ones.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: But that wow, yeah, so true.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: But we also got to remember this is mostly a
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: learned behavior. So most of these people that are offending
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: have also been offended against. And that's something else that
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: weighs on me because I feel for the victims, and
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: sometimes the victims are also the person who abused. The
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: problem is they did not get the help they needed
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: when it happened. They did not get the executive function
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: skills to be able to control themselves, to be able
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: to deal with their impulses, to be able to work
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: through the sexual deviance that they've learned from somebody else
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: who is in a position of power over them. It's
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: really hard because you want to feel for them, you
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: want that empathy for them too, but it's also it's
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: that person.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it had this guy in this story in the Hardware.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Casette was convicted of sexual assault of a victim under
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: age sixteen and human trafficking. Sentenced to twelve and a
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: half to twenty five years all but seven years suspended,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: released early, serving right around five years, just over five
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: years out first conviction on a human trafficking charge in
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Washington County. The article reads on to say, according to
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: the Vermont Crime Information Center, the state of Vermont places
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: no restrictions on sex offenders once they have completed their
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: supervision with the Department of Corrections. Notably, inclusion on the
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Vermont Sex Offender Registry does not automatically come with a
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: requirement to proactively notify members of the public. In short restraints.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Are legally able to reside near schools and daycares, co
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: habituate or cohabitat I should say, with children, and be
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: on school properties unless prohibited by a judge in their
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: parole conditions. The PO did you speak with the PO?
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: No, But someone else that I spoke to directly called
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: them when they saw them on the property, and that's
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: what they were advised, said that there was no restriction.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: There's nothing anybody could do. And I definitely want to
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: make sure people know the school is not at fault either.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: The school's hands are tied. They can't impose restrictions that
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: aren't imposed by the law just because they don't want
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: them there. And that's scary. And they can live in
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: homes with people that have children under eighteen. Somebody somewhere
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: decides what their risk factors are and says, well, this
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: is not their type, so they're okay here. And who
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: are these people making these decisions? Are they educated? Are
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: they victims? Do they know? Did they read a book?
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: You know? There you go. You're quoted in this article
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: saying the safety and mental well being of our children
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: must be prioritized over leniencies granted to those with a
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: history of such grievous crimes. It's imperative that the State
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: of Vermont takes robust action to mitigate the risk and
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: trauma inflicted on the young minds and families within our communities.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: This petition calls for the implementation of strict policies which
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: ban all convicted sex offenders from entering public school properties
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: under any circumstances. Additionally, we seek to prohibit these individuals
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: from residing in homes where miners under eighteen are present.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: These measures are critical to safeguarding our children, ensuring that
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: their educational environments remain secure and supportive. Yes, why is
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: this though? It's like, I go back to this, Why
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: is this not a no brainer? Under the Golden Dome
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: right in Montpellier? Is there are there any bills anywhere?
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: I haven't seen anything about this. All I see is
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: more articles about people getting arrested for it. That's all
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: I see. I don't see any action about changing things.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Something's got to be done.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, these people need counseling, for sure, and we've learned
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: that if they don't want counseling and they're sentenced, they
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: don't have to complete their their therapy. They can do
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: their full time max out and leave without going through
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: the programming. They don't have to really, yeah, yes, that's
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: what happened in my case. And really, if they don't
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: want to take responsibility, if they cannot see what they
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: did was wrong, they can just do extra time and
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: walk away.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: There's so much gray area and you know, faith brings
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: up a point. No matter how much you know, no
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: matter how low risk the offender is, there's still a
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: risk absolutely, and that's I mean, that's the key right there.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: You know, so much of this is and as I
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: said when I let off this morning saying, you know,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: every everyone's story is unique. Everyone is has their own
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: unique experience in story, and so much of this is subjective.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: The bottom line is, I'm so sorry, sorry, but once
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: you get that stamp, you got to carry it with you.
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: You do.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: And there's just certain things and they may be a
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: huge pain in the ass, but there's just certain things
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: you're just not able. You're not going to be able
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: to do well. I mean, if Vermot's not fooling around anymore,
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: so if you have a problem with it, get the
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: hell out of Vermont. Agreed, But we're not saying that though,
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: we're not saying.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: That in this r but the state, the state is not.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: The state is not saying that.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: On there on the conditions of release form that the
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: court gives all of the people that have been arrested
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: and released onto probation or community justice or whatever their situation,
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: there's those automatic conditions that everybody knows you cannot do
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: drugs and alcohol, and you cannot own a firearm. Those
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: are the two things that are a permanent part of
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: that form. Everything else is a checkbox where you write
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: it in. If that's not written in, if there's not conditions,
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: don't go near school, leave kids alone. If there's not
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: conditions that are written in for these folks, then there
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: is too much gray area. It should be permanently on.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: Anyone who has been sentenced to the Sex Offender Registry
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: should have that condition permanently all the time on that form.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: What are you going to do and what do you
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: say to the people that are watching and listening right
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: now to help you with your intent, your for lack
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: of a better term, your your mission to really get
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: this aired out and to put this put some then
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: more than just a petition with two hundred and eighty
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: seven signatures on it, which I'm pleased, I'm asking you
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: please sign this petition. It's in the comments. I'll put
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: it in again. Please sign it. But you have so
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: many people watching right now, what do you need them
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: to do? What I would like you to do is
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: you're you're already doing so much legwork, but let's get
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: the names of and emails and phone numbers of some
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: legislators here. Absolutely that can make real can affect real change.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: They're the ones that when they put the pen to
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: the paper, shit gets done. I'm asking you for those names.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: I'll I'll put that all over my platform. Yep. But
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: what do you need people to do at the very
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: least sign this petition?
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: Yes, I w audition. When we have those that information
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: for contact, I'd love it if people would email, call,
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: leave messages for the legislature. And also, eventually there's going
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: to be a gathering of some kind at the Statehouse.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: I'm going to rally and ask for everybody i can
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: to help share the information, pull together, show up there
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: and force it needs to be visible and in their
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: face so that they can't ignore it. If we're on
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: the corner, if we're sharing it on social media, if
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: where I see people protesting different things all the time,
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: if you are holding a sign that says something about
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: change the law, that's one way to help. I mean,
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: just sharing it, getting the word out, talking about it.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: This is what has to happen. People are afraid to
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: talk about it. It's a tad taboo subject. We want
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: to pretend that it's not something that's really in our faces,
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: but it is.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: I just dropped the link again for the petition. There's
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: so many comments coming in it's getting lost, so I'm
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: going to do it again. I want to make sure.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've posted this link for probably a half
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: dozen times now in the comments. I want to make
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: sure everyone sees it.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yep. And when you sign that, I get a
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: list of the people that signed it. I don't know
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: if I'll be able to find a way to contact
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: everybody that signed it, but I would love to rally
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: as many folks as I can when the time comes
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: to show up in force.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: We just got a comment a question. If the state
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: does nothing, can towns have ordinances to restrict access to
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: school town parks, et cetera.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, I believe Saint Albans actually has. I'm not one
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: hundred percent sure that it's Saint Albans, but I believe
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: it is as a town ordinance that states something like
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: that about people that are on the registry can't be
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: on the school property. So towns, I believe, can enact something.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: But it's hard to enforce local ordinances because there's not
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: a local police force in a lot of these small towns.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: So though it is an effort and it would be
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: recognized and it probably be a good first step, I
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: don't think that it would get the attention that a
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: statewide state law will get, if that makes sense.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I have a few people that say that are
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: saying they can't find it. But I'm I'm dropping it
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: in the comments here. Can can y'all please just let
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: me know that you can see this, because I mean,
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: I'm like repeatedly putting it in the comments here. It's
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: through change dot org.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: Sure is.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: John Miller says you should ask Tom Loson to come
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: in and discus his charter change. Maybe counsels should take
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: it up again. Yeah, I man, And he's got the
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: link in there too. I appreciate that. All right. We
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: got a few people saying they can see it. All right,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: that's good, all right, Faith saying she's seen it for
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: the first time. Yes, all right, please keep the comments
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: coming that you can see this petition and that you
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: can sign this petition. This is a lady who's and
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: as I said, when I kind of vetted you over
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks, I got a strong impression
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: that you are not just some keyboard warrior looking to
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: create drama from the comfort of your home, that you
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: are someone who is has the intention of creating real change,
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: positive change in the end for our children.
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. I have five grandchildren, five grand babies, and all
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: of them are in school right now or almost and
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: I think about their future every day and how they're
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: going to be impacted by the way that Vermont is.
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, they all live here, so I want them safe.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: I want my kids to not have to worry about
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: who lives next door to where their daycare is, or
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: who's walking by on the school, you know, on the
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: school property.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah right, you know. And and it's tough because, you know,
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: I think about my own little girl, who's eleven, and
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: I think about the school events, sporting events alone. Anybody,
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: anybody can in Vermont can pull into the parking lot
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  Speaker 3: of a school during a soccer game and go sit
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: in the sidelines and watch a game. Anyone, whether they
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: know one of the students or a family member or not. Yeah,
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: anyone can just pull into the parking lot, walk into
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: the school and watch a basketball game.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: Or even park in the parking lot when the school
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: gets get out. They can be there in the parking
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: lot when your child walks by legally.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I said, a very uncomfortable to talk about this.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: I'm way out of my comfort level right now. That
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: wasn't really necessarily looking forward to this episode or this
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: discussion this morning. And I'll say this again. Anybody who
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: can't honestly say in their gut that the protection and safety,
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: emotional safety, physical safety, mental safety of our children should
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: be first and foremost a priority over all other things.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: They're on a planet that I don't know what that
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: planet is, and I can't even fathom what that is.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: I understand that Vermont has got a lot of problems.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Many states do. Affordability, housing, substance use, mental health, the list, taxes,
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: the list can go on. In the education system. There's
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: a long laundry list here, but by god, this topic
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: better be at the top of the list. Are please
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: less than three hundred signatures on this petition, and man, shit,
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: that better change. I'm going to be given some updates
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: on this. You're going to be in touch with me,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: and you're going to let me know. You're going to
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: be maybe a little bit of a thorn in my side.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: And making sure that I'm aware, Hey, we're up to
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: however many signatures perfect. I want that information. I want
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: it put it out there transparently for all to see,
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: all to hear. And I also would love those names
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  Speaker 3: of those legislators, their emails and their phone numbers, and man,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: I will I'll put I'll blast that all over. I
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: want cages rattled on this. I'm not looking to cause problems.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: I don't think you are either. I think our intentions
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: are healthy and they're good. Yep, we're not trying to
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: be a pain in the ass here. But I think
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: most from honors, I think most from honors would agree
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: that more needs to be done. Agreed to protect our children.
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: And there is some organizations that have trainings out there
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: for parents, like Prevent Child Abuse fromont is one of
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: the good ones.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: And thank you for mentioning them, because I was thinking
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: about them about ten minutes ago and I've already I
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: had forgotten it.
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And they offer a ton of different courses and
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: some of them are free, and they can they relate
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: to things like healthy sexual development and children, things like
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: how to recognize and respond to abuse online and in person,
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: how to recognize grooming. There's all different types, and I
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: believe that in some cases you might be able to
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: even convince them to come to community events where the
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: community can come and learn things like this. I'm not sure.
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: I think it'd be great too. I think it'd be
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: great too.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: Will you help me get them on this couch? Oh?
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: I will try.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, I just got a comment here. I got to
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: read this. And when you try to get a restraining
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: order through the court, they deny it, and you say
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: to the judge I'm disappointed in them, and they say,
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry you feel that way.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, charity says, do be a pain in the ass
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: in this matter. It's completely warranted. Yep, great point.
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: You have a lot of people watching listening that support this. Yes,
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: let's get some shit done here.
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, we're just.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: Getting ready to start a legislative session.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we got to get it in front of them.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: Thank you for coming in here. I'm gonna drop this
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: this petition one more freaking time here. It's just like
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: the tenth time I've put it in the comments, but
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: I want to make sure that everyone sees it. We
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: are barely scratching the surface here. There's a lot more
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: to be said about this. You're welcome to come back anytime.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: I hope you will come back absolutely and give us
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: an update on any traction that you've got, any momentum
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: with regard to this. This state has got to freaking
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: wake up with shit like this. We need to do more,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: We need to do better.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: Great, thank you for having me.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Thanks for coming in, Laura, Yes so much. God bless you. Everybody.
• 1:00:16
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• 1:00:45
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• 1:00:51
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• 1:00:55
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• 1:00:57
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• 1:00:59
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