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Plague Panic And Proof · When Life Gives You Lemons

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palmi: Welcome to our podcast, When Life Gives You Lemons.
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palmi: I'm Kevin.
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Kevin: And I'm Palmi.
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Kevin: We consider ourselves disability advocates and intend to highlight some disability issues and things we find interesting that we frequently encounter when we're out and about.
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Kevin: Also, some history on disability that we find interesting.
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Kevin: This year we're going to include more of the interviews of the people that the disability affects.
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Kevin: We hope you enjoy it.
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palmi: Kevin.
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Kevin: And I'm Palmi.
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palmi: And today we're going to talk about the Bubonic Plague.
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palmi: And the reason we're talking about the Bubonic Plague is it was in the news recently here in the US.
1:28
Kevin: Well, actually in Russia.
1:32
palmi: Yeah, it was uh fake news, and we'll kind of go through that.
1:39
palmi: How that story got misreported.
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Kevin: So there was an incident in Russia, and it was reported here in the United States as a possible bubonic plague um incident.
2:06
palmi: And they just ran with their for their short at the Bubonic Plague Institute.
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palmi: She had to die of bubonic plague, right?
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Kevin: Well, one and two doesn't make three, but yes, that's what was reported.
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palmi: That's correct.
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palmi: In this case, one plus one did not equal two.
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palmi: She died of bubonic influenza.
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palmi: I'm sorry.
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Kevin: You're going to start the thing all over again.
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palmi: Let me uh make sure I'm reading this correctly.
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palmi: Okay, her name?
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palmi: Now I know I'm going to put your name because I've not already got big Russian names, but Daria Chipolova.
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palmi: And she died on October 7th after developing severe pneumonia.
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Kevin: So bubonic plague had no connection to it other than the fact that that's where she worked.
3:25
palmi: Well, actually, it was kind of uh in the media's defense.
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palmi: I'll say it's used to according to a contracted pneumonic plague.
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Kevin: After a broken test tube, is it?
3:45
Kevin: Yeah.
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Kevin: But it was not verified.
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palmi: Uh but basically the it's the teacher shut down.
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palmi: They took nearly 200 workers there, quarantine them all, and placed them all under medical observation.
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Kevin: And what was confusing was there was conflicting official reports, right?
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palmi: Because it's on in general, we don't hear a lot of news.
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palmi: We came way out of Russia into the US.
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Kevin: Right.
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Kevin: So they were only getting bits and bobs of what was happening.
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unknown: Yeah.
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Kevin: And somebody ran with the wrong bits and bobs.
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palmi: Basically, because you know it's like slow in the media's eyes.
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Kevin: They were just they were paying playing the typical telephone uh game.
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palmi: It's COVID all over again.
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palmi: Yeah, it's going to be a worldwide pandemic.
4:54
Kevin: Yeah.
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palmi: There wasn't anything like that.
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Kevin: So um some uh rec uh regional offices um initially referred to the plague.
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Kevin: Later statements ref uh described um pneumonia of unknown region uh origin.
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Kevin: Um so let's talk about what is pneumonia versus the bubonic plague.
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palmi: Well, first off, just in case people don't recognize a name from history, it was also known as a bite.
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Kevin: I'm sure everybody kind of recognizes that.
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palmi: Sometimes it worked out like a quarter of the population of Europe.
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palmi: Yeah, which is where our ancestors come from.
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palmi: Yeah.
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palmi: Which is why we hear well, yeah.
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Kevin: And a lot of it was caused by sanitary conditions, um, anti-I mean non-sanitary conditions, and it was carried by the rats, right?
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Kevin: Yeah, which kind of fleas from the rats.
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palmi: Because uh if you call Russia a ukraine war, and the best description I heard from this came from a TV show you watch.
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palmi: It's like World War One with Star Horses happening.
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palmi: So it's like in the military mud you get into conflicting uh scenarios happening once here in the trench.
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palmi: There hasn't been trench warfare since World War I, but here you are defending its drones, defending all these events weapons that crazy stone at you.
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palmi: Okay, to find out, or they found out early on that the Russia weapons were supposed to be as good as the data weapons that Ukraine was using weren't that that's really not they're just basically throwing everything at them that they have.
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Kevin: Even in the old stockpiles and stuff, yeah.
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unknown: Yeah.
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palmi: Uh but uh like I said in their defense, it was the stretches are basically filled with racks for them and the sort of things you think about, you think about I could be carrying the plague well, but this is a lab, so we're talking lab Tory.
7:45
palmi: Yeah, what we didn't know it was in Siberia when they first came up.
7:51
palmi: We just found out they had a boutonic plague institute, and somebody had died at the plague.
8:03
palmi: And so, of course, all the worst things that could possibly be are going through our minds.
8:10
palmi: It's COVID! We're all going to die.
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unknown: Yeah.
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Kevin: Okay, let's talk about um pneumonia versus the um bubonic plague.
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Kevin: So uh there's three forms bubonic stemic uh stem what is that spemic and nip and pneumonia.
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Kevin: And pneumonia.
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Kevin: The bubonic plague has swollen no lymph nodes historically caused by the uh caused by the Black Death.
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Kevin: Um the nomadic plague is lung infections, spreads person to person via respiratorial droplets, rapidly fatal without treatment.
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Kevin: Modern antibiotics are effective if administered um early.
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Kevin: So I wonder why they they didn't why she died of it.
9:06
Kevin: Apparently they didn't identify it quick enough and she didn't get antibiotics.
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palmi: Well, I wouldn't imagine that if just one person gets sick and has signs of pneumonia, it wouldn't treat it like new pneumonia.
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Kevin: So public health uh response and global responses uh are quarantine measures are implied and uh implemented at hospitals and research centers.
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Kevin: HOA requests verification and uh additional inform data.
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Kevin: Russia reported no confirmed plague cases in the regional region and negative tests for high threats pathogens.
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palmi: Not a joy dear, you have the wrong order in the session.
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palmi: WHO all failed.
10:02
Kevin: Oh, I'm sorry, WHO did I say the wrong US uh officials requested transport uh um transparency.
10:12
Kevin: Russia insisted the situation was under control.
10:17
palmi: Still need for transparency, it's all under control.
10:21
Kevin: World Health uh organization insisted the risk is um moderate to low locally and low nationally and very low regionally.
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Kevin: Why this matters for disability communities?
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Kevin: Um the emergency communication gaps, uh conflicting reports highlight how disabled individuals, especially those relying on accessibility formats, may struggle to get accuracy and time in a timely information situation.
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palmi: Okay, also it only makes sense.
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Kevin: If you're on the higher risk and you're disabled, you're going to be susceptible to any of this stuff.
11:06
Kevin: Just like when we had COVID, people that were disabled and had lower higher risk um lung disorders, that type of thing, were at higher risk of getting that.
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palmi: Also, I'm going to just categorically make a political statement.
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palmi: If you are in a uh convist country, the news doesn't always flow if it doesn't fit their narrative.
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palmi: So there's a lot of cover-ups.
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palmi: There could be a lot of sympathetic countries or even other Congress countries that have they're going to, you know, I mean they're not subject to the runaway free information cycles we have here with US.
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Kevin: Like we have free information available.
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Kevin: Uh emergency communication gaps.
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palmi: Um could not always accurate information, but it is free.
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Kevin: Conflicting reports highlights how disabled individuals, especially those relying on uh accessible formats, may struggle to get accurate and timely information.
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Kevin: Um, the medical vulnerability, people with chronic illness, respiratorial conditions, or uh um autocompromised statuses may face higher risk during outbreaks or miscommunication-driven panic.
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palmi: Um access is the big factor I would think for the disabled community.
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palmi: For example, in COVID, I could think of for breaking issues.
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palmi: They basically were not a list of preexisting conditions that he had here higher as the normal.
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palmi: And I had all of them.
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palmi: Right, and all I heard about it was it really affects yes, like bad flu, you know, yeah.
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palmi: Well, heart is flood out of corpuses, prompt breathing, etc.
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palmi: etc.
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palmi: So yeah, that kind of took a bit of panic by and by uh actions at the time.
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Kevin: Access barriers, quarantine zones, and disrupted service may disproportionately affect disabled people who rely on caregivers, transportational assistance, and medical devices.
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Kevin: Historical content, disabled committees, communities awful experience, negative neglect in emergency planning.
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Kevin: This incidence underscores the need for exclusive protocols, biose, securities and transparency, and disabled rights.
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Kevin: Russia's history of secrecy around biological research raises concerns about global accountability.
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Kevin: Disability advocates is uh it stress transparency reporting ensures equitable protection.
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palmi: Emergency planning, inclusive emergency planning must consider communication, accessibility, mobility needs in medical dependency.
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Kevin: International cooperation is essential to prevent harm to my um marginal groups.
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Kevin: He takeaways for listeners, what you have to takeaway is uh you can't always rely on fake news, don't panic, try to Well, you have to make sure it's confirmed, it's a confirmed plague outbreak.
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Kevin: So keep uh re-con reconfirming that it's an actual real it's actual really happening, not just go with the first jerk and strength stink that you hear.
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Kevin: Confirm and you know, confirm and deny I mean confirm and then confirm again.
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Kevin: What's happening is in a lot of these cases is the old time news sources where they had to confirm their sources multiple times, that's not happening anymore.
16:02
Kevin: So you as a consumer of news have to go back and actually confirm the information that you're um getting from them.
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Kevin: That's my advice.
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Kevin: Disabled individuals must be centered in emergency preparedness discussions.
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Kevin: The WHO and the global health agencies continue monitoring and no evidence of ongoing transmission.
16:30
palmi: Um this just happened.
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palmi: If you remember in last episode, I said we can't record too far in advance, even though we're getting early to move it, it would be nice to have several episodes preloaded and ready to go.
16:56
palmi: But when something like this happens, we want to be able to report on it.
17:02
palmi: Yeah, we can't really talk about things that are going to happen in the future because none of us really knew what's going to happen in the future.
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Kevin: Right, but this was lucky enough that we're still in our podcast zone within the time period that we chose to still put a podcast out.
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Kevin: So that's why we chose to talk about this this um blubonic plague incident that was popular last week.
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palmi: And uh one other thing that I promised to tell you this time, this episode was when the last episode would be.
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palmi: Our last episode will be the next one, which will we'll be talking about cataracts.
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palmi: But I believe that will air on November 5th.
17:58
palmi: That will be it for the season.
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palmi: What we usually do is on the podcast days when episodes normally go out, we take a look back at last year and see what episodes were really popular and rerun them or downloaded more often.
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palmi: And those are the episodes that we'll play while we're not recording podcasts.
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Kevin: On our offs on the off season.
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palmi: Yeah, basically those we can put in spin years our podcast uh host will allow.
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Kevin: And then we start fresh the next year with new information.
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Kevin: Sometimes we bring back stuff that's happened while we're out, and sometimes we change our formats.
18:53
Kevin: Um, it might be a new format next year.
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Kevin: Um, it all determines what's happening in our life.
18:59
Kevin: And since we have a big change, we have a big change that's coming up, so maybe there's something different that we want to talk about.
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palmi: Oh, we almost always change our introduction and our uh the music that covered least the introduction.
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Kevin: Yeah.
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palmi: I it seems like we just landed on the one we got, so a big little changes the music.
19:26
palmi: Yeah, maybe.
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palmi: We'll have to see.
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Kevin: Depends how ambitious Kevin is.
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Kevin: Alright.
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Kevin: Well, for now, what do you do, Kev?
19:42
palmi: Well, when life gets you loved and see make a lemon game.
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Kevin: See you later.