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Diddy, Ashley Madison, J. Lo, Ben and Hacks with Guy Branum · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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Speaker 5: Juicy Scoop.
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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have a return favorite,
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Speaker 1: one of my very good friends, actor, comedian, author of
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Speaker 1: a novel, showrunner, writer, Guy Branum. Welcome back. You are
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Speaker 1: on a high from the third season of Hacks... One
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Speaker 1: of my favorite shows, third season on HBO Max. You're
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Speaker 1: a writer of it, but also appeared in an episode.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really fun. I got to write on
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Speaker 4: the third season. I was briefly in the first season
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Speaker 4: and I fell in love with the show. And then
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Speaker 4: they asked me if I could come in for the
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Speaker 4: third season. And it was really great because I've spent
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Speaker 4: my life, you know, writing for ladies a lot of
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Speaker 4: the time and getting to Sort of like take what
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Speaker 4: I knew from having worked with Chelsea and Joan and
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Speaker 4: you and, you know, allow that to help flesh out
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Speaker 4: Debra Vance.
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Speaker 1: Well, for those of you that are not watching this,
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Speaker 1: if you're a juicy scooper, this is a treat. It's
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Speaker 1: only three seasons. You are going to absolutely love it.
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Speaker 1: It is what my life could be in 20 years.
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Speaker 1: And there's a couple great things that were in it.
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Speaker 1: So I was so excited to have the boys watch
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Speaker 1: it with me last night because now they go on
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Speaker 1: the road with me and they do the meet and
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Speaker 1: greets and stuff. And she's doing a set, Debra, the comedian,
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Speaker 1: who's like, I think she's playing about 70, but she
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Speaker 1: looks fabulous, is doing a set and she's on a
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Speaker 1: wave of like, she just had this great special that
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Speaker 1: she produced herself and sold the DVDs on QVC, which
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Speaker 1: is also really funny because the only money I made
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Speaker 1: on my first special was when I sold the DVDs
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Speaker 1: after my shows. And then eventually I stopped because no
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Speaker 1: one has DVD players anymore. But since her audience is older,
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Speaker 1: she could sell the DVDs, which is so funny.
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Speaker 4: Yes. And, like, she understands the hustle. She has survived,
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Speaker 4: you know?
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: She never had, like, the industry until this point in time, like,
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Speaker 4: blowing her up and being excited about her so she
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Speaker 4: knows how to make things happen on her own. And, like,
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Speaker 4: it was really fun exploring that grit and thinking about
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Speaker 4: the ways that the people that I had worked with
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Speaker 4: had kind of, like, similar energy. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So one of the scenes is I go, Drake, get back,
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Speaker 1: because he was watching, but he went to the bathroom
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Speaker 1: and I paused it because I'm like, you've got to
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Speaker 1: see this one part. She comes out and there's some
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Speaker 1: fans there. And she's like, oh, the cousins. She has
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Speaker 1: probably two guys that follow her everywhere, right? And they're like,
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Speaker 1: can you sign this? And it was this Jesus-looking thing,
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Speaker 1: but my face, well, her face on it, but I
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Speaker 1: have one. And lots of people have done them for
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Speaker 1: Housewives and stuff. And I was like, oh, my God,
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Speaker 1: I have these in my house for fans. And this
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Speaker 1: was now was this your idea to do this with
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Speaker 1: the Etsy thing?
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Speaker 4: So it was.
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Speaker 1: So explain what happens in the show.
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Speaker 4: So on the show, there are fans who are making
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Speaker 4: stuff that she has not authorized. She's very offended by
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Speaker 4: the votive candle. because it's from two chins ago. And
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Speaker 4: she has her chief of staff sort of track down
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Speaker 4: who's doing it, and I played the fan who was
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Speaker 4: making them, and it all came back to, it started
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Speaker 4: out because there were no tour jackets in a size
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Speaker 4: that would fit him. And it started out, Jen, one
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Speaker 4: of the showrunners, really wanted to do the thing with
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Speaker 4: the candle and sort of like unauthorized merch. And then I,
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Speaker 4: we were just sort of talking in the room the
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Speaker 4: way that you do. And I started talking about the
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Speaker 4: way that there's never clothes merch that fits me. Like
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Speaker 4: at the end of every podcast or show, somebody tries
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Speaker 4: to give me like a 2XL t-shirt and I'm like,
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Speaker 4: you're just giving me a task. Like you're just making
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Speaker 4: me go to out of the closet. And so I
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Speaker 4: like pitched the idea of, it was somebody who started
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Speaker 4: out to make stuff for himself and then, was meeting
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Speaker 4: the needs of other people. And they were really, really
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Speaker 4: cool about putting that into... Andrew Law put it in
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Speaker 4: his episode. And then one of our other showrunners, Lucienne Yellow,
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Speaker 4: she was directing the episode. And when I did it,
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Speaker 4: we did it as Andrew wrote it a couple of times.
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Speaker 4: And then she was like, just say... what you feel
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Speaker 4: about this. And she let me do that and what
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Speaker 4: Andrew had written ended up working better. But it was
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Speaker 4: just really nice to have like a little something of truth,
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Speaker 4: you know, for me that people don't really talk about that.
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Speaker 4: Like when you are a different size, you don't necessarily
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Speaker 4: like get to put on the shirt, but also just
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Speaker 4: the notion of like, I think particularly millennial and Gen
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Speaker 4: Z fans are are so about taking their fandom and
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Speaker 4: creating things with it, whether it's stories or images or
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Speaker 4: like headcanon. And we want to just sort of like
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Speaker 4: celebrate that and also the role that middle-aged gay men
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Speaker 4: had in building that world.
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Speaker 1: And building and being the greatest fans. Yeah. And loving it,
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Speaker 1: loving that we're, you know, a female– Comic is so
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Speaker 1: outspoken and I think that's why there is a good
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Speaker 1: connection between gay men and female comics. But also what
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Speaker 1: I do love about my merch now is you just
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Speaker 1: go on there and you can order whatever you want
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Speaker 1: on the size, on demand. It takes a little longer.
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Speaker 1: Like I don't have it going. But that was part
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Speaker 1: of it because I was always like, wait, is this
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Speaker 1: the style of my audience? I don't know what– And
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Speaker 1: then of a certain style, you're like, well, that person
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Speaker 1: is a huge fan, but they're never going to buy
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Speaker 1: anyone's merch.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: So I don't need to focus on those people. But
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Speaker 1: you don't know because everybody's different sizes. And so it's
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Speaker 1: really I loved all that, you know, and I love
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Speaker 1: her style. OK, so I like wearing sparkly stuff on stage,
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Speaker 1: but I bought this outfit. OK, and to about a
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Speaker 1: year and a half ago to wear on stage. And
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Speaker 1: then Hacks came out and I was like, I think
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Speaker 1: this is too much Deborah Vance. And because she's like
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Speaker 1: 20 years older than I am, but I'm like loving
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Speaker 1: her outfits and I want to wear her sparkling pantsuit,
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Speaker 1: but I feel like it's too much like Hacks. And
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Speaker 1: I have such a struggle. I just talked about it
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Speaker 1: with Rachel Feinstein about what to wear on stage. But look,
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Speaker 1: I nipped it in the back. This is Somebody help
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Speaker 1: me make this into something.
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Speaker 4: I think you love little shorts on stage, and I
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Speaker 4: feel like that's very young.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 4: But also, are you coming to a point where you're like,
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Speaker 4: I don't want to wear little shorts anymore?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then I brought shorts with tights in Denver,
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Speaker 1: and then I abandoned it all and went for white
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Speaker 1: jeans and these Reebok shoes I got. Because I was like,
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Speaker 1: if it's two shows... I can't wear the heels. If
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Speaker 1: it's one show, I can wear a dress and heels.
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Speaker 4: Did passing out or fainting that one time, did it
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Speaker 4: change the way you approach your outfit on stage?
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Speaker 1: No, not at all, because that had absolutely nothing to
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Speaker 1: do with it. It's more like if I do one show,
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Speaker 1: I wear a heel. If I do two shows and
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Speaker 1: two meet and greets, which isn't very often, then I
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Speaker 1: feel like, and especially if it's two nights in a row,
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Speaker 1: I can kill my feet for one show and one
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Speaker 1: meet and greet and then be chill the next day.
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Speaker 1: But if I'm doing four shows, four meet and greets within...
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Speaker 1: Two days. I got it. Have a sensible, sensible brown
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Speaker 1: pump like Britney Spears.
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Speaker 4: Understanding how to like approach that like responsibly. It's just
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Speaker 4: so hard that it's expected of women that if you
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Speaker 4: are doing something serious, you have to put your feet
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Speaker 4: through hell. It's really hard. And that is I mean,
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Speaker 4: one of the things I love about Debra Vance is
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Speaker 4: sort of like in any serious situation, there is a heel.
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Speaker 4: And then the minute that is over, she is putting
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Speaker 4: her feet in something warm and comfortable.
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Speaker 1: Yes. It's funny because in the opening scene of the
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Speaker 1: first– episode of season three. It's just the back of
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Speaker 1: her and she wears like this little hair piece that's
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Speaker 1: like fluffy. It looks great on her. She's so attractive.
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Speaker 1: And it's the back of her walking and Drake, he goes,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, mom, if she was, if she was
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Speaker 1: doing this, wouldn't everybody be stopping her? Like they stop
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Speaker 1: you and asking for autograph. And I was like, and
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Speaker 1: I kind of knew what was coming and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: And then it was just a drag queen, all the
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Speaker 1: drag queens for an opening. And I loved that, that
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Speaker 1: they were all there.
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Speaker 4: I did not realize that that was a gay guy.
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Speaker 4: I don't think he's a real drag queen. That was
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Speaker 4: a gay guy I had done a short film with.
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Speaker 1: Fabulous.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: So great. So fun. So it's on HBO Max. And
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Speaker 1: I love, I just love the whole journey of it.
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Speaker 1: And also there's a part where they do a roast.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And Natasha Leggero is cast, which is great.
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Speaker 4: I was, so I was originally assigned to, to write
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Speaker 4: the roast. So I sort of, um, tried when I
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Speaker 4: wrote the outline, I tried to just put in as
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Speaker 4: many of my friends as I could, and then it
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Speaker 4: ended up getting switched around. And then Joe Mandy was
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Speaker 4: sort of like, all right, let's swap out some of
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Speaker 4: these names. Um, but I, I got to write, uh,
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Speaker 4: the episode, um, our showrunners had learned that like Martin
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Speaker 4: short and, um, and Steve Martin do this collective colonoscopy thing.
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Speaker 1: This episode fourth, yeah, tell us about that.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Thing where they and some other comics go and spend
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Speaker 4: the night drinking magnesium salts and then get their colonoscopies
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Speaker 4: in the morning all together. And then whoever has the
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Speaker 4: cleanest bill of health buys dinner. And so that was
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Speaker 4: my episode, but it really got to, there was a
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Speaker 4: way that having worked for Chelsea and Joan and comics
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Speaker 4: who both of them like very successful. But I feel
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Speaker 4: like particularly Chelsea didn't always feel like she was respected
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Speaker 4: by our colleagues in the same way. Like she had
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Speaker 4: a real sort of like awe and respect for people
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Speaker 4: like Jen Kirkman who were like, you know, very solidly
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Speaker 4: in that like UCB crowd. And so it was interesting
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Speaker 4: to sort of like take that.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's like I kind of was seeing it. I
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Speaker 1: was like, I loved it. I didn't even realize you
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Speaker 1: wrote that one until the end. But I was like,
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Speaker 1: I knew you're a writer on the shows contributing throughout.
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Speaker 1: But I was like, that is so true about a
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Speaker 1: female comic. And I definitely felt it that like some
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Speaker 1: guys would be nice, but I never was part of
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Speaker 1: that group either. And I always kind of was doing
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Speaker 1: my own thing. And you're not part of the cool club. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It's like when, you know, when when Chelsea did leave E!
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Speaker 1: she said, I want to sit at the cool people's
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Speaker 1: table when she took her show to Netflix. OK, so
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Speaker 1: I'm like, but it's also just so you see that
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Speaker 1: Deborah like is like, oh, my God, these great guys
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Speaker 1: that were nice to me at events, but I've never
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Speaker 1: really hung out with them are now inviting me to
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Speaker 1: hang out.
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Speaker 4: Well, and there's also that way that like, you know,
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Speaker 4: when you are a woman or a person of color,
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Speaker 4: like the industry isn't you can't bet that they're going
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Speaker 4: to be there for you. So you have to survive.
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Speaker 4: And you have to do the work, have the merch,
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Speaker 4: you know, do things that are less respectable, where if
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Speaker 4: you are one of the cool guys, you can just
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Speaker 4: go be on NPR and write books. And, you know,
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Speaker 4: like you can trust that the industry will be there
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Speaker 4: for you.
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Speaker 1: And also as a female comic, I've said this and
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Speaker 1: other female comics are like, yeah, you're right. I admit
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Speaker 1: to that, too. There's something where we see guys out there,
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Speaker 1: especially straight men in the audience, and I've stepped away
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Speaker 1: from it some but I wanted to get those that
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Speaker 1: person's approval more than women or gay guys I was
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Speaker 1: like did your straight husband find me funny that you
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Speaker 1: had to drag here yes he did and I'm like
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Speaker 1: yes and I'm like why do I care so much
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Speaker 1: like but there's something about that because it's always women
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Speaker 1: aren't funny and we have to convince the guys that
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Speaker 1: we can be as funny women aren't going to a
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Speaker 1: male comic being like Honey, you know I hate male stand-ups. Like,
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Speaker 1: that never happens.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I have had the experience. One time I
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Speaker 4: was co-headlining with a guy who was very archly misogynistic. And, like,
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Speaker 4: you could have an audience full of women who were uncomfortable.
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Speaker 4: And men who were oblivious to it. And the reverse
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Speaker 4: would never happen. Yes. You know, like if men were
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Speaker 4: like uncomfortable, the women who were there with them would
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Speaker 4: register that and be like, we have to do something
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Speaker 4: about this.
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Speaker 1: Right. And I think that's sometimes when I would have
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Speaker 1: to convince women they can bring their men because I
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Speaker 1: think they were seeing other female comics that were a
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Speaker 1: little more, dare to say it, male bashing in their act.
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Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I'm not a male basher.
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Speaker 1: Like I'm married and I'm raising boys and it's really
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Speaker 1: more self-deprecating. And I'm telling you, you don't have to
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Speaker 1: worry about your straight man's husband's feelings at my show
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Speaker 1: because I will not be hurting his feelings. And once
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Speaker 1: I kind of said that, I noticed more and more coming.
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Speaker 1: But it is interesting because as women, as caregivers, we
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Speaker 1: do care more than a guy being like, oh, I
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Speaker 1: think my girl's uncomfortable. You're so right about that.
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Speaker 4: Well, the other fun thing about this season was just
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Speaker 4: sort of having Debra reach a point of respectability, somebody
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Speaker 4: who's never been respectable. And that question of like when
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Speaker 4: your job has been to be an idiot for most
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Speaker 4: of your career, like what do you fear risking? What
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Speaker 4: do you fear putting out there? And it is always
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Speaker 4: interesting to see that with colleagues who are in the
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Speaker 4: middle of their careers like comics experts. Like, who will
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Speaker 4: still take risks and who just sort of hides behind
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Speaker 4: the success that they've already had?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, there's so much. I don't want to kill
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Speaker 1: it for any of you. I want you guys to
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Speaker 1: watch it because it is so fun. And I really
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Speaker 1: think my audience, if you have not gotten into it,
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Speaker 1: will love it. And here you are doing your part,
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Speaker 1: looking so cute. It would be an honor to be
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Speaker 1: in a litigation with Deborah because she says, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to sue them, I'm going to sue them, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to sue them, you know, for taking her image and
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Speaker 1: all that. And, like, I've had to deal with that
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Speaker 1: a little bit, too. And then there's times when it
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Speaker 1: is worth fighting. And then there's times where you're like, oh, God,
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Speaker 1: let it be. Who cares?
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Speaker 4: I just want to say I had, like, a proper
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Speaker 4: scene with Hannah in the first season.
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Speaker 1: Who plays, like, her young writer girl that I love.
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Speaker 4: But also there was a moment between me and Jean.
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Speaker 4: where all that remained in the show was her signing
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Speaker 4: my head. But she and I improvised out a complex
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Speaker 4: backstory for my character having survived cancer.
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Speaker 1: So do you love working with Jean Smart?
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Speaker 4: I mean, she's really, really wonderful. She's such a pro.
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Speaker 4: And Hannah is so funny. I don't know if you've
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Speaker 4: ever gotten to see her do stand-up.
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Speaker 1: No, I know she's a stand-up. I love her on
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Speaker 1: the show, though.
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Speaker 4: She's so funny. She has a Tonight Show set that
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Speaker 4: is really, really funny. And I think you would appreciate.
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Speaker 4: She's a joke about how she was raised by her
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Speaker 4: family's maid to the extent that when she burns herself,
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Speaker 4: she doesn't say out. She says, and it seemed very
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Speaker 4: West Valley to me.
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Speaker 1: I love it. She's great.
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Speaker 1: like thirty three million right away. First, he said it's
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Speaker 1: not true. When the lawsuit came, it's not true. It's lies.
17:30
Speaker 1: I'll fight this vehemently. And then like within 24 hours,
17:33
Speaker 1: it's like, OK, done. Here's $ 33 million. You're not to
17:36
Speaker 1: talk about it. I'm not to talk about it. And
17:38
Speaker 1: then over the weekend, a video that happened in 2016
17:40
Speaker 1: of him. Absolutely physically abusing her in the hallway of
17:46
Speaker 1: an LA intercontinental hotel. Allegedly, the reason we never saw
17:53
Speaker 1: this was because the hotel was paid off or someone
17:56
Speaker 1: at the hotel was paid off for $ 50, 000. That's the
17:59
Speaker 1: alleged rumor, I guess. I don't know if it's been proven.
18:02
Speaker 1: And then this got out. He says he's done an apology,
18:05
Speaker 1: which is more about him than she. But I also
18:09
Speaker 1: heard he couldn't say her name as part of the settlement.
18:11
Speaker 1: So he's like, I'm disgusted. I'm working on myself. I'm
18:14
Speaker 1: trying to be a better man. I'm praying. Okay. So
18:18
Speaker 1: it was very triggering to see people think Moore is
18:23
Speaker 1: going to come out, people that he's associated with. You
18:26
Speaker 1: go way back to his white parties in the Hamptons, Jay-Z,
18:29
Speaker 1: all these people. And if you want to go on
18:33
Speaker 1: that crazy side of people really going down the rabbit hole,
18:38
Speaker 1: many people believe Moore Moore is going to come out
18:41
Speaker 1: about people in his world.
18:42
Speaker 4: I just want to know what the human trafficking means.
18:45
Speaker 4: Because it could be just the use of a federal
18:50
Speaker 4: law to prosecute sort of like an isolated incident with
18:54
Speaker 4: like one person who he brought across state lines for
18:59
Speaker 4: an illegal purpose or something like that. Or is it,
19:02
Speaker 4: was there something more systematic going on there? You know,
19:06
Speaker 4: is this like underage girls to those parties? What is
19:11
Speaker 4: it like? I wanna know more, but it's just, it's
19:14
Speaker 4: so impossible to think about. P. Diddy not being part
19:19
Speaker 4: of the popular culture? You know what I mean?
19:21
Speaker 1: Well, so Peloton has said we are no longer playing
19:25
Speaker 1: his music. I'm like, well, do they also not play R. Kelly?
19:29
Speaker 1: Do they also not play Michael Jackson? I'm for all,
19:33
Speaker 1: I don't care. Don't play it. Listen, don't listen. That's
19:37
Speaker 1: not what I'm saying. I'm just kind of wondering where
19:38
Speaker 1: do you draw the line? Because now there's so many.
19:41
Speaker 4: Do you think the rules are once they die, it's fine?
19:44
Speaker 4: Because I feel like everybody with Michael Jackson was like,
19:46
Speaker 4: Once he was dead, the money was no longer going
19:49
Speaker 4: to create amusement parks to woo children into a false
19:54
Speaker 4: sense of security. So, like, maybe it's okay then.
19:58
Speaker 1: But, like, I don't know.
20:00
Speaker 4: It's hard. Like, terrible people make– good art like that
20:06
Speaker 4: has you know I mean I.
20:07
Speaker 1: Think it's an easy move for a place to say
20:09
Speaker 1: I mean there's so many songs there's so many get
20:12
Speaker 1: up and go get you in the mood to ride
20:14
Speaker 1: a bicycle peloton songs sure cut it out I think
20:17
Speaker 1: it's I think it's a wise thing to do it's
20:19
Speaker 1: not that hard yeah it's not that hard it's not
20:21
Speaker 1: like oh my god there's only three artists in the
20:23
Speaker 1: world now we lost a third of them by cutting
20:25
Speaker 1: out as I mean who cares you.
20:27
Speaker 4: Know I mean I do also feel weird about the
20:29
Speaker 4: fact that like Well, it's just like he was not
20:32
Speaker 4: apologizing for anything. He was not becoming a better person
20:34
Speaker 4: until people found out.
20:35
Speaker 1: Right, until it was caught and we couldn't turn away.
20:38
Speaker 1: No one could say that it didn't happen and that
20:39
Speaker 1: she was a money grubber.
20:41
Speaker 4: Yes, but it's like there's so much stuff that is
20:46
Speaker 4: being successfully hidden from so many people. That it feels hard.
20:51
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
20:52
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I also just think, like, again, this is
20:55
Speaker 1: why women don't come forward. No, people weren't believing her.
20:58
Speaker 4: Yeah.
20:59
Speaker 1: People weren't believing her. They were like, eh, maybe.
21:02
Speaker 4: She just wants money.
21:03
Speaker 1: Why did she keep coming back after this or whatever?
21:06
Speaker 1: Even though they could read all the stuff before it
21:08
Speaker 1: was settled. Yes. But, you know, it took her this
21:12
Speaker 1: long to finally get to a place to go for it. Yeah.
21:16
Speaker 1: But like Wendy Williams would say– Wendy Williams knew everything.
21:20
Speaker 1: Like she would say things like, yeah, you try being
21:23
Speaker 1: with a mogul and you want to get away from him? Well,
21:27
Speaker 1: he'll land the helicopter on the hotel you're staying at
21:30
Speaker 1: and there will be somebody standing outside of your door
21:32
Speaker 1: and– you know, that's a form of trafficking. You're being
21:36
Speaker 1: trafficked for him. Like you can't get out because he's
21:39
Speaker 1: got so many people eyes on you, even if you're
21:41
Speaker 1: living a private jet lifestyle.
21:44
Speaker 4: That is really true. And in a world where we
21:46
Speaker 4: do have this kind of wealth disparity and this kind
21:49
Speaker 4: of power disparity, having there be, I mean, laws that
21:53
Speaker 4: protect people in situations like this. And you're very right
21:56
Speaker 4: that it is these old 1920s sort of like man
22:01
Speaker 4: act laws that seem like they're from the past, but
22:04
Speaker 4: really are the things that we have to protect people
22:06
Speaker 4: from having, you know, that kind of power be used
22:12
Speaker 4: to control somebody, you know? Yeah.
22:14
Speaker 1: And I mean, so, so that all came out this weekend.
22:18
Speaker 4: If you were dating a billionaire music mogul, how would
22:22
Speaker 4: you protect yourself?
22:23
Speaker 1: I was dating like one just to make sure that
22:26
Speaker 1: I kept my own thing. I think it's a different
22:29
Speaker 1: thing when you're that young thing that doesn't have anything
22:34
Speaker 1: of their own. They're not a star in their own right.
22:37
Speaker 1: So let's talk about Jennifer Lopez because Jennifer Lopez dated P.
22:40
Speaker 1: Diddy when she was very much on the rise. That's
22:43
Speaker 1: when she wore the white headband, the low white riders.
22:46
Speaker 1: And that's when this event happened at this nightclub where
22:50
Speaker 1: she was there with– there was a shooting and a
22:53
Speaker 1: woman got shot in the face and two other people
22:55
Speaker 1: got hurt. And P. Diddy was there and it was
22:58
Speaker 1: very– it seemed to be very covered up somehow. But
23:01
Speaker 1: the stories were that allegedly like he told her to
23:05
Speaker 1: hold the gun and she put him in her panties
23:07
Speaker 1: and like– I remember that story. Yes. And so then
23:12
Speaker 1: also this weekend it was, oh, my God, J-Lo and
23:16
Speaker 1: Ben have not been photographed together since end of March.
23:19
Speaker 4: Yeah.
23:20
Speaker 1: And they're not wearing their rings. And he's looking miserable.
23:22
Speaker 1: And they're looking for different property. And then the next
23:25
Speaker 1: day it was now they are wearing their rings. Oh,
23:27
Speaker 1: now they went out together. And he's purposely wearing his rings,
23:30
Speaker 1: driving around, making sure everyone sees that he wears the ring.
23:34
Speaker 1: And then, oh, she was just looking for investment property.
23:37
Speaker 1: And he wasn't at the Met Gala because he was
23:39
Speaker 1: filming Accountant 2. But they did all go together to
23:43
Speaker 1: one of the little kids' plays or whatever. But, you know,
23:48
Speaker 1: with everything going on with her, where she, you know,
23:52
Speaker 1: people mocked her documentary, where she's like, I'm just like,
23:56
Speaker 1: this Harry runs me with that crazy, crazy kid back
23:59
Speaker 1: in the Bronx running around, 16 years old, and That
24:03
Speaker 1: she didn't know her bodega proper. There wasn't a proper
24:07
Speaker 1: way to order the food. And people are showing that
24:10
Speaker 1: tickets are selling for $ 8. Yeah. And it's like, look,
24:13
Speaker 1: it's hard to sell tickets. Sometimes you overdo your shot
24:17
Speaker 1: with a big arena. It's hard, you know. So I
24:20
Speaker 1: don't think people are dying to hear this new music.
24:23
Speaker 4: She is a real star. She'll always be a real star.
24:26
Speaker 1: I love it.
24:27
Speaker 4: In the arc of a real star, you always have
24:29
Speaker 4: to have those down times. You have to have those
24:31
Speaker 4: periods when you aren't getting– the proper respect so that
24:35
Speaker 4: people can re-embrace you. There's the difficulty of J-Lo. She's
24:39
Speaker 4: trying to do everything. Like, she's tried to do everything
24:43
Speaker 4: and it means that she's had misses at everything, you know?
24:46
Speaker 4: And no one thinks Ben Affleck is a happy person.
24:49
Speaker 4: No one thinks, like, I don't expect Ben Affleck to
24:53
Speaker 4: happily ever after with anyone. I expect him, that we
24:56
Speaker 4: got a second chance at this relationship I'm so happy with.
25:00
Speaker 4: He won Best Picture for Argo. I'm so proud of him.
25:03
Speaker 4: But no one with that back tattoo is managing to
25:07
Speaker 4: balance it all.
25:08
Speaker 1: And also a late in life tattoo.
25:10
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, it's real rough. He's clearly going through
25:14
Speaker 4: some things. He had Jennifer Garner. Jennifer Garner is gonna
25:20
Speaker 4: make you homemade chocolate pudding and post it to Instagram.
25:25
Speaker 1: And she was making, this is going to get you hard.
25:28
Speaker 1: She was, she was making her own bagels during COVID.
25:31
Speaker 4: Yes.
25:32
Speaker 1: I mean, she is more difficult to be like so difficult,
25:36
Speaker 1: but whatever.
25:37
Speaker 4: If you wanted to have somebody stabilizing your life, you
25:39
Speaker 4: had Jennifer Garner and you said, I would like Jennifer Lopez.
25:43
Speaker 4: Jennifer Lopez is not a stabilizing feature. She is magnificent. However, she,
25:48
Speaker 4: And I'm happy for any happiness that they can get
25:51
Speaker 4: out of this. And wherever they land afterwards, you know.
25:55
Speaker 4: That's fine.
25:55
Speaker 1: Well, according to a source, you know, they said she
25:59
Speaker 1: is really positive and has a positive outlook on life.
26:03
Speaker 1: And he sees things as problems that need to be solved.
26:06
Speaker 4: Yeah.
26:07
Speaker 1: So in that way– and you can see it, the
26:09
Speaker 1: way that she just keeps moving.
26:11
Speaker 4: Yeah.
26:12
Speaker 1: And so she didn't let all this TikTok people making
26:16
Speaker 1: fun of her get her down.
26:17
Speaker 4: Yes. Yeah.
26:19
Speaker 1: But and she keeps going and she was at a
26:22
Speaker 1: premiere last night. She's in some Netflix movie called Atlas,
26:27
Speaker 1: where she is like I think she's like a NASA
26:30
Speaker 1: person or something. She's like an astronaut.
26:32
Speaker 4: She looks amazing. Stunning.
26:33
Speaker 1: I mean, the body, the she looks flawless always.
26:36
Speaker 4: And she's I mean, cranking out crap, truly. But also,
26:41
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know. She was so good and
26:44
Speaker 4: out of sight. That was 30 years ago. But. She
26:47
Speaker 4: was truly great in one film.
26:48
Speaker 3: I know.
26:49
Speaker 1: And that was when people first discovered that she had
26:52
Speaker 1: an ass and that she made asses be a thing.
26:55
Speaker 4: Yes.
26:56
Speaker 1: She was wearing these like kind of casual shorts and
26:59
Speaker 1: she was like walking down a dock and everybody was like,
27:02
Speaker 1: holy fuck, I don't think we've ever seen an actress
27:04
Speaker 1: with like a real ass before.
27:06
Speaker 4: When she's 67, somebody is going to write the right
27:08
Speaker 4: role for her and she's going to dazzle all of
27:11
Speaker 4: us and it will be magnificent. But to have that happen,
27:15
Speaker 4: you have to have Tina Turner in 1977. You know,
27:19
Speaker 4: you have to be, like, just performing for only the
27:22
Speaker 4: gay guys in San Francisco.
27:24
Speaker 1: To go down to then be able to come back up.
27:26
Speaker 4: Exactly.
27:27
Speaker 1: Okay.
27:29
Speaker 4: I listened to all 48 hours of the Streisand book.
27:32
Speaker 4: And Streisand... So.
27:34
Speaker 1: Barbara Streisand's autobiography?
27:35
Speaker 4: Autobiography.
27:37
Speaker 1: Does she read it herself?
27:38
Speaker 4: She reads it herself. The performance is amazing.
27:40
Speaker 1: Okay.
27:41
Speaker 4: But she, as somebody, like... Even she had to have
27:46
Speaker 4: a down period, even though she kind of succeeded at
27:49
Speaker 4: everything she did ever. Like, you know, even though all.
27:53
Speaker 1: Of her movies- And was that Yenta?
27:54
Speaker 4: No, Yenta was on it. She won Best Director at
27:58
Speaker 4: the Golden Globes for Yenta. It was more Mirror Has
28:01
Speaker 4: Two Faces.
28:02
Speaker 3: Okay.
28:02
Speaker 4: And it was just nobody respecting her as a director.
28:06
Speaker 4: But then the whole time she was always able to
28:07
Speaker 4: go and sell records like crazy. And I think– I
28:10
Speaker 4: mean Jennifer is kind of the opposite of like she
28:12
Speaker 4: can always go do a TV show and kind of
28:14
Speaker 4: kill it.
28:15
Speaker 1: Well, I was always like fascinated knowing what her net
28:18
Speaker 1: worth is, is why– and I talked about this before–
28:21
Speaker 1: why she was kind of lowbrowing herself to like partner
28:24
Speaker 1: with companies that she didn't own, just like a normal
28:26
Speaker 1: brand deal that like any other influencer would be doing.
28:29
Speaker 1: And I'm like, can you not turn down anything?
28:32
Speaker 4: I always have questions about– the management infrastructure that these
28:36
Speaker 4: people have around them. And it's so hard when you
28:38
Speaker 4: have somebody like Taylor Swift, who clearly has people who
28:41
Speaker 4: are like thinking outside of the box and using the
28:43
Speaker 4: power that she has really, really savvily, that you are like,
28:47
Speaker 4: you're Jennifer Lopez. Like, but it is kind of, she's
28:51
Speaker 4: supposed to be good at singing and dancing and acting
28:55
Speaker 4: and business management, you know?
28:56
Speaker 1: And social media, like she is all about her social
28:59
Speaker 1: media now.
29:00
Speaker 3: Yeah.
29:00
Speaker 1: And there was a- And wearing beige. What about just
29:04
Speaker 1: you like her in beige?
29:05
Speaker 4: Yes. I mean, yes. Just like a signature white or beige.
29:09
Speaker 1: Oh, I love the way she dresses and I love
29:11
Speaker 1: her hair and makeup. But when she says– in the
29:15
Speaker 1: documentary about how hard her life is, this is me
29:17
Speaker 1: and getting this movie made or whatever. Because I was
29:19
Speaker 1: like the doc is actually kind of juicy. The actual
29:22
Speaker 1: musical video album thing is like ridiculous. But anyway. There's
29:26
Speaker 1: a part where Ben Affleck– I've seen the clip– says
29:29
Speaker 1: she is addicted to this. Like she– it's always got
29:35
Speaker 1: to be something else.
29:36
Speaker 4: Yeah.
29:40
Speaker 1: And together for a while, I think he's just like, oh,
29:42
Speaker 1: my God, what is the next five years of my life? Like,
29:45
Speaker 1: it's never going to slow down ever. He wants to
29:48
Speaker 1: do good films and then we take breaks in between.
29:50
Speaker 1: And she can never take any breaks. She's a workaholic.
29:53
Speaker 1: And that's what P. Diddy said when they were dating.
29:55
Speaker 1: He said, we're perfect because I'm a workaholic and she's
29:58
Speaker 1: a workaholic.
29:58
Speaker 4: I kind of love that. I'm going to assert that
30:01
Speaker 4: if Taylor Swift or Beyonce were sitting in this chair,
30:04
Speaker 4: it would be kind of a stilted conversation. Taylor Swift
30:07
Speaker 4: would be a little bit fake and be trying to
30:08
Speaker 4: give you what you want. Beyonce would be Beyonce and
30:11
Speaker 4: just sort of like, you know, stilted. Jennifer Lopez would
30:15
Speaker 4: be able to be perfectly personable and meet you exactly
30:18
Speaker 4: where you are. And I think that that's maybe her
30:20
Speaker 4: problem is that she is too normal and human and
30:25
Speaker 4: wants to give people what they want.
30:27
Speaker 1: So interesting. And I want to just say, since you
30:29
Speaker 1: brought up Taylor Swift, I got sent this by so
30:33
Speaker 1: many people in DMs. I have been talking about my
30:37
Speaker 1: fear of Taylor and Travis. And I said, if Travis
30:41
Speaker 1: does not ask her to marry him soon, she's going
30:44
Speaker 1: to get the ick factor because I believe he's going
30:47
Speaker 1: to start to want to sing and do a country
30:50
Speaker 1: album and want to be on stage and this weekend.
30:52
Speaker 1: It happened. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah, it happened.
30:56
Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
30:56
Speaker 1: It was like the Kelsey jam. I don't know if
30:59
Speaker 1: that's for his podcast, but he got up and sang
31:02
Speaker 1: one of those type of like, you know, like we're
31:06
Speaker 1: going to rock all night.
31:07
Speaker 5: I don't know.
31:08
Speaker 1: It's like one of those songs. And people said to
31:10
Speaker 1: me and they're like, Heather, you're right.
31:12
Speaker 4: Pro athletes aren't ready for this kind of stuff. Like,
31:15
Speaker 4: I just don't think.
31:16
Speaker 1: I warned him. They should already be engaged. He needs
31:21
Speaker 1: to get married to her right now before she gets
31:23
Speaker 1: turned off.
31:24
Speaker 4: I don't know that she's focused on getting married. I
31:28
Speaker 4: think she is on a series of rides.
31:30
Speaker 1: Well, I think already it might not happen now because
31:33
Speaker 1: of my prediction coming true of him liking to sing.
31:37
Speaker 4: That is magnificent work, and I am impressed by it.
31:39
Speaker 4: But athletes, they give so little of themselves. Their job
31:43
Speaker 4: is just to go be strong athletes. on the field
31:46
Speaker 4: or court the way that they're supposed to, and they
31:48
Speaker 4: get to do these little tiny things, them wearing their
31:50
Speaker 4: dumb little outfits as they just walk to the locker room.
31:53
Speaker 4: They're so proud of themselves these days. And if any
31:56
Speaker 4: of them, the ones who are actually like, good or
31:58
Speaker 4: charismatic performers I'm always so proud of. And it's why
32:02
Speaker 4: the guys from the WWE do so much better as
32:05
Speaker 4: actors than any of the football players, because they are performers.
32:10
Speaker 1: You know?
32:11
Speaker 4: But it's like, God, he needs to realize no one
32:14
Speaker 4: wants to see you sing.
32:15
Speaker 1: Well, it might be too late.
32:17
Speaker 4: Yeah.
32:18
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't save everyone.
32:20
Speaker 4: Yes.
32:21
Speaker 1: I just can't. Now, here's a sport divorce that's happening,
32:24
Speaker 1: and this is Juicy Scoop Golf. This story was presented
32:28
Speaker 1: by Drake Tobias. This guy, Rory McElroy?
32:34
Speaker 4: We're both huge fans. Heather and I are both huge
32:36
Speaker 4: fans of Rory McElroy. McElroy?
32:39
Speaker 1: McElroy.
32:40
Speaker 4: McElroy.
32:41
Speaker 1: He's pretty cute. And apparently he's really good at golf.
32:46
Speaker 4: And his wife is a huge fan of the European Union.
32:48
Speaker 4: Why is she holding a European Union flag?
32:51
Speaker 1: I don't know. But she– they're getting divorced after seven years. And,
32:56
Speaker 1: you know, I guess that was a shock. No one
32:58
Speaker 1: knew why.
32:59
Speaker 4: Uh-huh.
33:00
Speaker 1: But Drake had a theory.
33:01
Speaker 4: Uh-huh.
33:02
Speaker 1: He said when Liv started, which is like Dubai's version
33:08
Speaker 1: of the PGA.
33:09
Speaker 4: Yeah.
33:10
Speaker 1: They were throwing hundreds of millions of dollars at people. Oh, yeah.
33:12
Speaker 4: I heard about this.
33:13
Speaker 1: And he was one of the holdouts not to do it.
33:16
Speaker 4: Yes.
33:17
Speaker 1: And anyway, he has decided to do it.
33:20
Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
33:21
Speaker 1: But filed for divorce right before because we're talking hundreds
33:25
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars.
33:25
Speaker 4: Wonderful. I love divorce settlements more than anything else. And
33:31
Speaker 4: people making like savvy choices about this is this relationship
33:36
Speaker 4: is not working. I'm not going to give this person
33:38
Speaker 4: a community property interest in my deal with the UAE.
33:42
Speaker 4: I respect it entirely. I wish more that it were
33:44
Speaker 4: a woman getting away with something. Like I really, you know.
33:48
Speaker 1: It happens with women too. When they know something's coming
33:50
Speaker 1: down the line. The other thing that people don't talk
33:52
Speaker 1: about is when you are, it doesn't matter how long
33:56
Speaker 1: you were married. It's my understanding that if you inherit something,
34:01
Speaker 1: like you're married and you're a parent. So sometimes I've
34:06
Speaker 1: seen people get divorced when they have an elderly, wealthy
34:11
Speaker 1: parent that's coming to the last few years. And rather
34:15
Speaker 1: than work out the marriage, they're like, let me cut
34:17
Speaker 1: my losses now so that divorce is clean and done
34:21
Speaker 1: before I get my 5 million from my mother when
34:24
Speaker 1: she dies.
34:24
Speaker 4: What's the 5 million from your mother that comes to
34:26
Speaker 4: you when she dies that your husband can't claim that?
34:29
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. But if you were to be
34:32
Speaker 1: married together... staying married and five million comes in, you
34:36
Speaker 1: might then, your spouse might go, let's buy a house.
34:39
Speaker 1: Let's buy this. Let's invest it.
34:41
Speaker 4: That's called transmutation. You're very savvy, Heather. You understand the law.
34:47
Speaker 4: And also, let's remember that the United Arab Emirates is
34:51
Speaker 4: now the premier location for the world's highest-end sex workers.
34:55
Speaker 4: If you're somebody who wants to make money off of
34:58
Speaker 4: a relationship, Like that's where you go these days. Dubai? Yes.
35:02
Speaker 4: I'm sure Rory will have a lot of options. Haven't
35:04
Speaker 4: you noticed a lot of your– do you not follow
35:07
Speaker 4: like– Oh, well, that's.
35:08
Speaker 1: Been going on forever of going to Dubai and all that.
35:10
Speaker 4: Stuff like that. Yes, that's where the influencers go there.
35:12
Speaker 1: I have never been and I would be down to
35:16
Speaker 1: go with my touring crew, which is my sons and Peter.
35:22
Speaker 3: Yes.
35:24
Speaker 1: It was like I'm performing for some Juicy Scooper. Like
35:28
Speaker 1: if there's some like really rich Juicy Scoop lady that's
35:30
Speaker 1: listening right now and her husband is like, what do
35:33
Speaker 1: I do for your 40th birthday? And she's like, I
35:35
Speaker 1: want a private Heather McDonald show experience, whatever. And then
35:40
Speaker 1: he takes the boys out golfing or that fake. They
35:44
Speaker 1: have like fake surfing and stuff. Yes. Then we'll go.
35:47
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll go. But other than that. I probably
35:50
Speaker 1: won't make a trip.
35:51
Speaker 4: Sounds like it would be really fun for an air
35:53
Speaker 4: conditioned four days.
35:54
Speaker 1: Yes. Let's talk about this because a lot of people
35:58
Speaker 1: are talking about it and everyone's going to get heated
36:01
Speaker 1: and weird. But this guy, Harrison, but Kerr. he did
36:06
Speaker 1: a speech at a private Catholic college that I guess
36:11
Speaker 1: is really known to be quite a conservative Catholic college,
36:14
Speaker 1: which I have never experienced that side of Catholicism. And
36:20
Speaker 1: so he was chosen to speak and he spoke and
36:25
Speaker 1: people went, got very upset about it because the main
36:28
Speaker 1: thing they got most upset about, well, first of all,
36:31
Speaker 1: he made a joke about pride or a throwaway. Like,
36:35
Speaker 1: you should have pride. And I'm not talking about the
36:37
Speaker 1: pride that lasts a month in the summer.
36:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean.
36:40
Speaker 1: Which is just like a diss.
36:42
Speaker 4: This guy is coming and saying, look at me. I'm
36:45
Speaker 4: a real man. I'm a real Catholic. And all of
36:48
Speaker 4: these civil rights gains that women and queer people have
36:51
Speaker 4: had over the course of the past 30 or 40
36:53
Speaker 4: years are what's destroying our society. And people love to
36:57
Speaker 4: come around and say stuff like that. And it's easy
37:01
Speaker 4: to treat it as harmless until you realize, you know,
37:04
Speaker 4: that like, In a lot of states, it's very hard
37:07
Speaker 4: for a woman to get reproductive care now because these
37:11
Speaker 4: ideas are coming back. So I think, you know, like
37:16
Speaker 4: I do understand why people are very upset about it.
37:19
Speaker 1: But I thought it was really interesting to read all
37:22
Speaker 1: of this stuff where, you know, then they tried to
37:25
Speaker 1: get they wanted to get 150,000 people to sign to
37:29
Speaker 1: get the NFL to fire him or the Chiefs to
37:31
Speaker 1: fire him. And that I was like, I don't really
37:34
Speaker 1: agree with that. I think like the school chose to
37:37
Speaker 1: have him speak. He spoke. If the school, I don't
37:41
Speaker 1: know if the school ever, I've never been asked to
37:43
Speaker 1: do a commencement speech, but I would think that you
37:45
Speaker 1: would maybe have to run it by someone first. So
37:47
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's on them. And of course,
37:50
Speaker 1: we all felt badly for the girls that had spent
37:52
Speaker 1: all this time studying because he basically said, yeah, you
37:56
Speaker 1: have been fed the most diabolical lies that you might
38:01
Speaker 1: get joy or feel success when you get promoted or
38:04
Speaker 1: get another degree, when really it's getting married and having children,
38:09
Speaker 1: which is like, who's to say that anybody really wants
38:11
Speaker 1: to get married and have children? And his mom is
38:13
Speaker 1: a physicist.
38:13
Speaker 4: Also, he was sold the most- Do you know that.
38:15
Speaker 1: His mom's a physicist?
38:16
Speaker 4: Yes, I saw that.
38:17
Speaker 1: It happened for like 30 years.
38:18
Speaker 4: She went to like Smith. She went to a women's college. Yes,
38:21
Speaker 4: and- But you know that this is rebellion. Like this
38:23
Speaker 4: is him being mad that mommy was off learning how
38:26
Speaker 4: stars work instead of making him lunch when he was
38:29
Speaker 4: a little boy.
38:30
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people would really love to hear
38:32
Speaker 1: from her because that is a very interesting thing. Like-
38:35
Speaker 1: As a working mom myself, this would be a very
38:38
Speaker 1: bizarre thing to hear my son do a speech like
38:41
Speaker 1: this in 10 years. My favorite joke of yours is....
38:46
Speaker 4: Some women are saying to their kids, I gave you
38:48
Speaker 4: the best years of my life. And I forget what
38:51
Speaker 4: your punchline is.
38:51
Speaker 1: No, it was like– this was a long time ago,
38:54
Speaker 1: so I wasn't this age. But I said, I don't
38:58
Speaker 1: want to wake up at 50 and say to my
39:00
Speaker 1: kids that are being ungrateful, I gave you the best
39:03
Speaker 1: years of my life because I didn't. I was out traveling.
39:06
Speaker 1: I was going to parties. I was on red carpets.
39:08
Speaker 1: I was performing with you guys. I got to have
39:10
Speaker 1: drinks after. And I don't have any regrets.
39:13
Speaker 4: And it's like women were not sold the most diabolical lie.
39:16
Speaker 4: This dude was sold the most diabolical lie that being
39:20
Speaker 4: good at kicking would take care of him for the
39:22
Speaker 4: rest of his life. He's got two, maybe three years left.
39:26
Speaker 4: And then he has to go off and, you know,
39:29
Speaker 4: see it. he can afford a Ford dealership or something
39:32
Speaker 4: like that. And I think it is just like, I
39:36
Speaker 4: get mad when these guys talk down because they are
39:40
Speaker 4: part of the institution of formalized masculinity. Like I'm a
39:46
Speaker 4: strong guy who makes good money for now and, So,
39:49
Speaker 4: you know.
39:50
Speaker 1: You should, too.
39:50
Speaker 4: Yeah.
39:51
Speaker 1: And it's like the other thing is with his wife,
39:53
Speaker 1: he goes, you know, I met her in band practice
39:55
Speaker 1: or whatever when she was when we were in seventh grade. And,
39:59
Speaker 1: you know, her life began when she got married and
40:01
Speaker 1: had kids.
40:02
Speaker 4: And.
40:03
Speaker 1: And then my son, Brandon, goes, yeah, that's easy for
40:07
Speaker 1: him to say. She's probably happy not working. She doesn't
40:10
Speaker 1: have to work. She's with an NFL player.
40:12
Speaker 4: I'm also willing to bet that her life started for
40:14
Speaker 4: a couple of guys before she got married. You know
40:16
Speaker 4: what I mean?
40:17
Speaker 1: I do think in looking back at... You know how
40:21
Speaker 1: my mom, you know, in the eight, like in the
40:23
Speaker 1: 70s and 80s of like one day at a time,
40:26
Speaker 1: like there was this whole thing women should work to.
40:29
Speaker 4: Yeah.
40:30
Speaker 1: And I do feel sometimes people are like, wait a minute.
40:33
Speaker 1: What the hell did we do? Like there's jokes like
40:36
Speaker 1: Natasha Leggero had a job like she was like. Who
40:40
Speaker 1: started this? I would have rather just like made a
40:42
Speaker 1: casserole and called it a day. Like who the fuck
40:44
Speaker 1: started that we had to work? So I get that.
40:47
Speaker 1: And I do think that there is a better way
40:49
Speaker 1: to say, listen, you know, it's like what you said.
40:52
Speaker 1: You said, actually, my next book should be having it most.
40:54
Speaker 1: You're never going to have it all, ladies. You're not.
40:57
Speaker 1: If you're going to have kids and work, something's going
41:00
Speaker 1: to suffer a little. You're going to have some guilt.
41:02
Speaker 1: But also, I want people to also know choosing or
41:08
Speaker 1: having the privilege of staying home when your kids are
41:11
Speaker 1: young and really enjoying that time is wonderful, too. And but...
41:17
Speaker 1: You have to be careful because you just like the
41:20
Speaker 1: reason the women started working in the 70s and 80s
41:23
Speaker 1: is because they were getting divorced and they were being
41:25
Speaker 1: fucked because they didn't have a career. So you cannot
41:28
Speaker 1: ever depend that this guy is going to be that
41:31
Speaker 1: fabulous of a husband for the rest of your life.
41:34
Speaker 1: So don't depend on that.
41:35
Speaker 4: Yeah.
41:36
Speaker 1: Have something else going.
41:37
Speaker 4: Athletes are notorious for staying with their first wife and
41:42
Speaker 4: respecting her through all of the changes of her life.
41:45
Speaker 4: I'd like to make three points.
41:46
Speaker 3: Yes.
41:47
Speaker 4: The first one is having children and raising children, whether
41:51
Speaker 4: you are a man or a woman, is the coolest job.
41:54
Speaker 4: And it is one of the coolest things that a
41:55
Speaker 4: person could do. And I think that we don't respect
41:58
Speaker 4: that work enough. Second point. It is cool to look
42:02
Speaker 4: back to a time when, you know, people, usually women,
42:07
Speaker 4: were able to spend their time just focused on their family.
42:13
Speaker 4: But also, it is not... Like linked with that is
42:16
Speaker 4: the fact that at that point in time, those women
42:18
Speaker 4: weren't legally allowed to own property in their own names.
42:20
Speaker 4: They weren't allowed to get credit cards like you were not.
42:24
Speaker 4: You would not have been able to make a contract
42:26
Speaker 4: with anyone without your husband's permission. And the legal emancipation
42:31
Speaker 4: that women have enjoyed has been as the result of
42:34
Speaker 4: women getting married. power in their own right through working
42:38
Speaker 4: and making money. And the last point is, it's very
42:41
Speaker 4: easy to be like, oh, the PC woke mob wants
42:45
Speaker 4: to take this guy's job away just for using his
42:48
Speaker 4: free speech. But you need to remember that Colin Kaepernick
42:51
Speaker 4: lost his job. It wasn't just a threat, but Colin Kaepernick,
42:55
Speaker 4: for trying to make a point about the place of
42:57
Speaker 4: black Americans, lost his job and lost his income in
43:02
Speaker 4: the NFL and, you know, There has always been a
43:06
Speaker 4: PC police. There have always been people who were removing
43:10
Speaker 4: people from discourse from using their speech. It's just for
43:13
Speaker 4: most of time, it was women who were too mouthy.
43:15
Speaker 4: It was gay people who talked about being gay. And
43:18
Speaker 4: we're not used to straight white men saying good Catholic
43:21
Speaker 4: things for having people come and question them. And I
43:24
Speaker 4: use good Catholic things ironically. The Catholic Church is a big,
43:27
Speaker 4: beautiful organization. that has some crazies and some Mel Gibsons
43:31
Speaker 4: and some people.
43:31
Speaker 1: That I love. But what's interesting is I will say
43:34
Speaker 1: as someone who went to Catholic school and went to
43:36
Speaker 1: an all-girl Catholic high school, everybody I know that went
43:40
Speaker 1: to an all-girl Catholic high school from my mom who
43:44
Speaker 1: left her place in Wisconsin and lived with her 20-year-old
43:47
Speaker 1: aunt so that she could go to the private Catholic
43:49
Speaker 1: school was so that she would go to college and
43:51
Speaker 1: have a career of her own. And that was like
43:53
Speaker 1: in the late 50s. And so I do think as Catholics,
43:56
Speaker 1: I don't want people to see this and think that
44:00
Speaker 1: Catholic schools are like this because that's not at all
44:03
Speaker 1: what everybody that I know that went to an all-girl
44:06
Speaker 1: Catholic high school, the goal was to go to college
44:08
Speaker 1: and have a career of your own. It was not
44:10
Speaker 1: get married and be a homemaker.
44:12
Speaker 4: I think women who went through Catholic women's schooling are
44:15
Speaker 4: disproportionately well-represented in stand-up comedy. because you guys learned to
44:18
Speaker 4: be leaders. You guys, like, you, Tracy Wigfield, I know
44:22
Speaker 4: so many people.
44:23
Speaker 1: Christina Pazinski went to the same high school as me.
44:25
Speaker 4: Also, I was one of the first gay comics to
44:28
Speaker 4: get regularly booked by Catholic colleges, and it was just
44:31
Speaker 4: Loyola Marymount here is, like, there were, at that point
44:34
Speaker 4: in time, two Catholic schools that had, like, a gay
44:38
Speaker 4: organizing person there. And it was Georgetown and Loyola, and
44:42
Speaker 4: Loyola booked me, and then later, I think, University of
44:45
Speaker 4: San Francisco wanted to book me And then they were like,
44:48
Speaker 4: but we need a letter from another Catholic school that
44:51
Speaker 4: says that you did it and it was okay. And
44:52
Speaker 4: so Loyola did that for me. So for a while,
44:55
Speaker 4: I did a couple of Catholic schools, but then I
44:58
Speaker 4: was going to do one in Erie, Pennsylvania. And they
45:01
Speaker 4: were like, but we need you to not say anything
45:03
Speaker 4: about gay marriage. And I was just like, I'm not
45:06
Speaker 4: going to do that.
45:08
Speaker 1: But the point is, it's not across the board. And
45:11
Speaker 1: it never has been with Catholic churches. Like a lot
45:14
Speaker 1: of people or schools. So I just wanted to say that.
45:16
Speaker 4: The thing that has always defined the Catholic church is
45:18
Speaker 4: that it is enormous. It is a church that is
45:21
Speaker 4: built for whole countries to belong to it. And so
45:24
Speaker 4: it has always had some place for diversity. Right.
45:27
Speaker 1: Very nice ending to that. Okay. Speaking of this. So
45:31
Speaker 1: this guy on GMA, he's the anchor. DeNarco Morgan. He
45:37
Speaker 1: posted a photo of him cycling in shorts that we
45:41
Speaker 1: have to we cannot show because they were it was
45:44
Speaker 1: showing his his member into graphic of a way.
45:50
Speaker 4: And why not? They're inside of his pants.
45:53
Speaker 1: Well, they said one of the things they said was
45:55
Speaker 1: they have. had some budget cuts. And one of the
45:58
Speaker 1: budget cuts was somebody working with their social media of
46:04
Speaker 1: the host. So they would either cover it or help
46:06
Speaker 1: them with it. They got rid of those people. And
46:08
Speaker 1: so then they were like, we probably wouldn't have allowed this.
46:12
Speaker 4: Then what do they expect?
46:13
Speaker 1: I think this is going to make people watch the
46:15
Speaker 1: third hour. Yes! I didn't know who this guy was
46:18
Speaker 1: before this cycling incident.
46:20
Speaker 4: This guy's amazingly hot. I was delighted by it. Like,
46:23
Speaker 4: Matt Bomer showed more in his little photos from that
46:27
Speaker 4: movie he's in.
46:29
Speaker 1: What's he in?
46:29
Speaker 4: Oh, he's in a Jonah Hill movie in a role
46:33
Speaker 4: that I got sent to studio for.
46:35
Speaker 5: Wait.
46:37
Speaker 4: And then.
46:38
Speaker 1: Wait, so you were going up for the same role
46:40
Speaker 1: as him?
46:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I got sent to studio. So the director
46:43
Speaker 4: was like, this is the person we want. And they
46:45
Speaker 4: were like, guy's not famous enough. where can we find
46:48
Speaker 4: another chubby gay guy? No, I'm more than chubby. I'm fat.
46:51
Speaker 4: But they were like, let's find a more famous fat
46:53
Speaker 4: gay guy. And then they went with Matt Bomer, the
46:55
Speaker 4: hottest person in the world. And they just put out
46:58
Speaker 4: photos of him with like wearing little short shorts and
47:02
Speaker 4: his little penis visible. And I was like, I get
47:05
Speaker 4: why you made the choice. I 100% get why you
47:07
Speaker 4: made the choice. But this guy, why are they blaming him?
47:10
Speaker 4: The thing is, it's like, let's be honest. We regulate sex.
47:14
Speaker 4: black men's sexuality more than we do white guys. We
47:17
Speaker 4: would not have seen it as threatening or uncomfortable in
47:20
Speaker 4: the same way if it had been a white guy's wiener.
47:23
Speaker 1: John Hamm would always have like sweatpants showing his wing. But,
47:27
Speaker 1: you know, he was playing a sexual role as an actor.
47:31
Speaker 1: So maybe their whole thing was just that he's like,
47:34
Speaker 1: this guy's like, you know, GMA is like clean cut,
47:37
Speaker 1: you know, corny stuff.
47:39
Speaker 4: All right. Well, you know, if news anchors aren't supposed
47:41
Speaker 4: to fuck, Then maybe Barbara Walters needs to write fewer
47:45
Speaker 4: books about how she porked that senator. Or what's her name?
47:50
Speaker 4: Andrea Mitchell, who she fucked Alan Greenspan.
47:54
Speaker 1: Right.
47:55
Speaker 4: Yes.
47:56
Speaker 1: What's the couple that both got caught and left and
47:58
Speaker 1: every week Page Six does an article about them? I
48:01
Speaker 1: like forgot about them. TJ Holmes and.
48:05
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't remember them.
48:06
Speaker 1: And Amy Robach.
48:08
Speaker 4: Oh, why? Why do they have to go away?
48:11
Speaker 1: Because they had an affair on their spouses. I can't
48:13
Speaker 1: believe you don't know that story.
48:15
Speaker 4: No.
48:16
Speaker 1: Sometimes I get obsessed with stories that no one cares about. Okay.
48:19
Speaker 1: So magician David Copperfield has now been accused of sexual
48:23
Speaker 1: misconduct of 16 women. And this is really, really disturbing.
48:28
Speaker 1: I remember hearing about it back in our Chelsea Lately days.
48:31
Speaker 4: We called it David Copperfield's Rape Island back when you
48:35
Speaker 4: were still allowed to make rape jokes. We called it
48:37
Speaker 4: David Copperfield's Rape Island because Because he had accusations against him.
48:41
Speaker 4: And I mean, it's just like the Bill Cosby situation.
48:43
Speaker 1: Because he really had an island.
48:45
Speaker 4: Yes.
48:45
Speaker 1: And he would invite people there. I mean, so of
48:48
Speaker 1: these stories, two of the girls said they were 15
48:52
Speaker 1: at the time. There has been accusations of. drugs being
48:57
Speaker 1: used to put them out. There's stories of, you know,
49:00
Speaker 1: where he's doing the magic and there's a cute girl
49:03
Speaker 1: in the audience. And then somebody's like, would you like
49:06
Speaker 1: to meet him and take a photo after that type
49:09
Speaker 1: of thing? So there's so many. And of course he's
49:11
Speaker 1: saying none of it is true and this and that,
49:14
Speaker 1: but it seems to everything's becoming to fruition now with
49:17
Speaker 1: these creeps.
49:18
Speaker 4: I mean, there are so many of these people for
49:20
Speaker 4: about whom there have been rumors forever. And then there
49:23
Speaker 4: finally comes this point where there is incontrovertible evidence. And
49:25
Speaker 4: we're like, oh, no. They're terrible. Get rid of them.
49:28
Speaker 4: And maybe it should also make us believe women more
49:31
Speaker 4: when they tell us this stuff. And, you know, we
49:34
Speaker 4: don't have the footage from the hotel quite yet.
49:38
Speaker 1: You either need the footage from the hotel or you
49:39
Speaker 1: need 10 other people that said the same thing happened.
49:43
Speaker 5: Yes.
49:44
Speaker 1: That's the only way this stuff comes about, which is horrible.
49:47
Speaker 4: There's a very good essay in Sarah Polly's book, The
49:49
Speaker 4: Lady Who Directed Women Talking. But it was about... a
49:54
Speaker 4: controversy in Canada, a Me Too accusations. And it was
49:57
Speaker 4: basically about the experience of being somebody who didn't come forward.
50:00
Speaker 4: And I thought it was really interesting and smart. And
50:02
Speaker 4: if there's anybody who is.
50:05
Speaker 1: Thinking- So wait, the person didn't come forward and then
50:06
Speaker 1: how they struggled with not coming forward?
50:09
Speaker 4: Yes, and basically saying why she made that choice. Like,
50:16
Speaker 4: you know, what she owes to the women who did
50:18
Speaker 4: come forward, but also the way that those women were
50:21
Speaker 4: torn apart. And that she was scared of that happening.
50:25
Speaker 4: And that is one of the things that we use
50:27
Speaker 4: to keep– to allow things like this to continue to
50:30
Speaker 4: happen is when somebody comes forward and says that it happens, we,
50:34
Speaker 4: you know, drag people through the mud.
50:36
Speaker 3: Right.
50:37
Speaker 1: Exactly. Okay. So have you heard about this new documentary
50:43
Speaker 1: about the Ashley Madison? It's three parts.
50:46
Speaker 4: No. But this has been an obsession of yours for decades.
50:49
Speaker 1: Oh, wow. So when it first came out, it started
50:51
Speaker 1: to get– so it started a long time ago. It
50:53
Speaker 1: started in like the early 2000s, this website. And it
50:57
Speaker 1: was for married people to find other married people to
51:01
Speaker 1: have an affair with like in your area code, zip code,
51:05
Speaker 1: so that you could– so you would know like neither
51:08
Speaker 1: of us are going to leave our spouses for each other.
51:10
Speaker 1: So then the guy started to get– started to get
51:14
Speaker 1: press and he and it was an interesting topic and
51:16
Speaker 1: he was on the view and all the stuff and
51:18
Speaker 1: i think that's when we discovered it at chelsea lately
51:20
Speaker 1: and i remember i went on my regular computer and
51:25
Speaker 1: put in my age and my zip code just to
51:29
Speaker 1: see what would happen and no photo nothing and i
51:33
Speaker 1: was besieged with men that wanted to meet me And
51:36
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, my God. So then there's this
51:38
Speaker 1: breach years later where these hackers go in and they're like,
51:43
Speaker 1: we have everyone's information. And they're like, what do you want?
51:46
Speaker 1: Do you want money? Whatever. So they're like, look, we're
51:49
Speaker 1: putting it out there. So they put it out there
51:51
Speaker 1: and journalists start going through everything. And they see there's,
51:55
Speaker 1: you know, professors and pastors and government officials. And then
51:59
Speaker 1: there's a Real Housewives of New York husband that did it.
52:03
Speaker 4: Which one?
52:03
Speaker 1: Kristen Taichman.
52:04
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
52:05
Speaker 1: Oh, I do remember that, yeah. And then there was
52:07
Speaker 1: Snooki's husband.
52:08
Speaker 4: Yeah.
52:09
Speaker 1: You know, that was on it. And I was like, oh,
52:14
Speaker 1: my God, I wonder if it's going to come out
52:15
Speaker 1: from that one time I put the thing up.
52:17
Speaker 4: Yeah.
52:17
Speaker 1: But they could see that there was more than just
52:20
Speaker 1: someone signing up as a joke. Yeah. There was, like,
52:22
Speaker 1: correspondence or whatever. And what are people going to do?
52:26
Speaker 1: So in the documentary, we see this one guy– And
52:30
Speaker 1: he and his wife became famous family YouTube vloggers. And
52:35
Speaker 1: it was all about— they were super Christian.
52:37
Speaker 4: Oh, wonderful.
52:39
Speaker 1: And we see their story. And this thing went viral
52:44
Speaker 1: because he goes— I'm going to surprise my wife with
52:46
Speaker 1: being pregnant. I think she's pregnant, but she doesn't know.
52:49
Speaker 1: So she pees in the middle of night, but she
52:51
Speaker 1: doesn't flush the toilet because she doesn't wake up the
52:53
Speaker 1: kids and they dip it. And then he goes, you're pregnant.
52:56
Speaker 1: And she acts surprised, which a lot of people said
52:58
Speaker 1: that would never work. It has to be a more
52:59
Speaker 1: concentrated amount of pee. It would have been diluted in
53:01
Speaker 1: the water, but whatever.
53:02
Speaker 4: Yeah.
53:03
Speaker 1: They go viral and they're making all this money showing
53:06
Speaker 1: their family he no longer is a nurse and they
53:09
Speaker 1: get to do this stuff. And then it comes out
53:12
Speaker 1: that he was one of the people. And he said,
53:14
Speaker 1: I never did anything. I was just curious. I just
53:16
Speaker 1: corresponded with people. And then he then has to come
53:20
Speaker 1: forward that, no, there were all these other women that
53:22
Speaker 1: he met and screwed.
53:24
Speaker 4: All family happiness YouTubing is fake. Like it's all a lie.
53:29
Speaker 4: Everyone is just doing a little performance. I hate their
53:33
Speaker 4: little songs and dances, though I do watch them.
53:36
Speaker 1: I'm very conscious of how there's now some kids that
53:38
Speaker 1: have grown up that are older that are like coming
53:41
Speaker 1: forward saying how much they hated it. And they would
53:43
Speaker 1: be like, I don't want to do it anymore. And
53:44
Speaker 1: the parents would be like, well, then I guess we
53:46
Speaker 1: won't be able to keep this house.
53:47
Speaker 4: That's so fascinating because like with child actors, you have
53:50
Speaker 4: to have the teacher, you have to have the social worker,
53:52
Speaker 4: you have to put the money into a trust. And
53:54
Speaker 4: those children have no protection at all. It all comes
53:57
Speaker 4: back to the problem that everybody gets to parent their
54:00
Speaker 4: own kids. Like, some people are bad. But, like, do
54:05
Speaker 4: you think more married couples– I'm going to say married
54:10
Speaker 4: couples who have been at it for 15 years or
54:12
Speaker 4: more should just have policies that allow for some– for
54:18
Speaker 4: some sexual walkabout for their partner or- I.
54:22
Speaker 1: Always said if there was something that was just in
54:25
Speaker 1: the normal way of marriage, like, hey, you know, at
54:32
Speaker 1: year seven, you know, just kind of how like, oh,
54:35
Speaker 1: at this age, everyone learns how to drive. At this age, da, da, da, da. Like,
54:40
Speaker 1: but if it was like, oh, at year, from year
54:42
Speaker 1: seven to 10, Every couple takes a hiatus where they
54:46
Speaker 1: can screw other people, but they always come back at
54:48
Speaker 1: year 10. And then you just got that little seven-year
54:51
Speaker 1: itch out. But nobody left their spouse. And it's this
54:54
Speaker 1: fun thing that happens. And no one gets a venereal
54:55
Speaker 1: disease and no one gets anyone pregnant. Right. But that
54:58
Speaker 1: would like not– and you wouldn't have to be secretive
55:00
Speaker 1: about it. I think a lot of people have open
55:02
Speaker 1: marriages and a lot of people don't get divorced and
55:04
Speaker 1: a lot of people have their own thing.
55:06
Speaker 4: Yeah.
55:07
Speaker 1: And they aren't public about it even if they're not
55:11
Speaker 1: public people. They don't tell their friends and stuff. But
55:14
Speaker 1: then I do think in the end, it just doesn't
55:18
Speaker 1: make for a good marriage. I mean I just don't
55:20
Speaker 1: think it works. I just do not think it works.
55:23
Speaker 4: I have gay friends who recently went poly and they
55:25
Speaker 4: were– being very sophisticated about it. But then my friend
55:28
Speaker 4: was like, I don't like his boyfriend. I am jealous.
55:32
Speaker 1: And like, you know, it's- Well, I think it seems
55:35
Speaker 1: like that's with more gay guys that have the throuples
55:38
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And I recently asked, are there
55:42
Speaker 1: lesbian throuples? Because I've never heard of a lesbian throuple.
55:46
Speaker 4: They do it serially. What they do is like two
55:49
Speaker 4: women are in a relationship and they have two children
55:52
Speaker 4: and And then one of them starts dating someone else.
55:55
Speaker 4: And then the third, the other lady who used to
55:58
Speaker 4: be in the relationship moves to the downstairs house or
56:01
Speaker 4: into the basement or the casita. And then they stay
56:05
Speaker 4: and the three of them parent the children together. But
56:10
Speaker 4: I don't think.
56:11
Speaker 1: You know families like that? Yes.
56:13
Speaker 4: Okay.
56:14
Speaker 1: Very interesting.
56:15
Speaker 4: I think it's very not uncommon for like a lesbian couple...
56:19
Speaker 4: to still have the ex-girlfriend of one of them as
56:23
Speaker 4: a co-parent and like person living in the house or
56:27
Speaker 4: who is like present there, but not getting it on
56:30
Speaker 4: with each other.
56:30
Speaker 1: Okay.
56:31
Speaker 4: But maybe there are hotter lesbian couples that I don't
56:33
Speaker 4: know who are doing that.
56:34
Speaker 1: To me, I think if you can resist from stepping
56:41
Speaker 1: outside the marriage and cheating, I think that is the
56:43
Speaker 1: way to go. That is my belief.
56:45
Speaker 4: I did shows in Palm Springs last weekend and at
56:47
Speaker 4: one of the shows there was a table where And
56:49
Speaker 4: it was three very hot gay guys. And it was
56:53
Speaker 4: a thruple. And they all worked together. And one of
56:56
Speaker 4: them was a psychiatrist. And I was just like, I'm
56:58
Speaker 4: so impressed by your boundaries.
57:02
Speaker 1: So with this, though, so then it came out that
57:06
Speaker 1: some people were doing it. This pastor got caught, and
57:08
Speaker 1: then he ended his life because he didn't want to.
57:10
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, there's very sad things about that.
57:13
Speaker 1: But then there were also bots that they used. So
57:17
Speaker 1: this one girl was like, why are these guys coming
57:20
Speaker 1: to my strip club acting like they know me? And
57:23
Speaker 1: she realized they took her image- And she was a
57:26
Speaker 1: real person. And they were actually like, you know, this person,
57:32
Speaker 1: because they had more men than women, would be corresponding.
57:35
Speaker 1: And every time the guy wanted to correspond with anyone,
57:37
Speaker 1: he had to pay. So they were it wasn't just
57:40
Speaker 1: $ 50 a month. It was like he was spending a
57:42
Speaker 1: lot because he was like, oh, I have a connection
57:45
Speaker 1: with this girl. But she wasn't a real girl.
57:47
Speaker 4: He couldn't figure out she was a bot is very sad.
57:49
Speaker 4: But we also do need better laws for using people's
57:52
Speaker 4: likenesses to make money. You heard about the Scarlett Johansson thing, right? Yes.
57:54
Speaker 1: No, do tell.
57:56
Speaker 4: They asked her if she would be the voice of
57:59
Speaker 4: the new sort of like Siri thing for one of
58:03
Speaker 4: I think it was Elon Musk. I forget who. And
58:07
Speaker 4: she said no. And then they ended up making an
58:10
Speaker 4: AI voice that just sounded like her. And like two
58:13
Speaker 4: days before it launched, they asked her again. And she
58:16
Speaker 4: was like, no. And then they launched it with her voice.
58:20
Speaker 4: And like all of her friends and family were like,
58:21
Speaker 4: did you do this thing? And she's like, that's my likeness.
58:25
Speaker 4: You can't do that. And I said no to this.
58:29
Speaker 1: So what happened? Did they get rid of it?
58:31
Speaker 4: I think they changed it. But also, like, she does
58:34
Speaker 4: still have a lawsuit. Like, that's, you know, that's messed up.
58:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they really have to stop. Because otherwise, why
58:40
Speaker 1: wouldn't you just make everyone an AI voice? Why would
58:42
Speaker 1: you pay any voiceover actor? That's really scary. Okay, what's
58:47
Speaker 1: going on with Prince Harry and Meghan is that their foundation,
58:54
Speaker 1: I guess there was something delinquent.
58:57
Speaker 4: They just didn't do the paperwork.
58:59
Speaker 1: It didn't sound that traumatic. It sounded more like a headline.
59:02
Speaker 4: But I did have a piece of gossip for you.
59:04
Speaker 1: Please do tell.
59:05
Speaker 4: And that is, I was told by a friend who
59:07
Speaker 4: spends a lot of time in Santa Barbara that when
59:10
Speaker 4: Megan and her friends go to the sushi place in
59:13
Speaker 4: Santa Barbara. Prince Harry makes them go get a steak
59:17
Speaker 4: from a nearby restaurant and then bring it to him
59:19
Speaker 4: because as a child growing up in the royal family,
59:22
Speaker 4: you don't learn to eat sushi.
59:24
Speaker 1: So wait, so he's at the sushi place.
59:27
Speaker 4: He's at the sushi place. He's hanging out with them,
59:29
Speaker 4: but he makes them go get him a steak because
59:31
Speaker 4: he can't eat sushi because the British royal family doesn't
59:35
Speaker 4: eat sushi.
59:36
Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised that most sushi places don't offer
59:40
Speaker 1: chicken and steak. I feel like most of them do.
59:42
Speaker 4: I know.
59:43
Speaker 1: Maybe a real authentic.
59:45
Speaker 4: Sushi place doesn't.
59:46
Speaker 1: He maybe doesn't want that version. He wants a Ruth
59:48
Speaker 1: Chris steak. Right.
59:50
Speaker 4: And I do think it's like you move to California,
59:53
Speaker 4: you're going to have to learn to eat sushi. It's
59:55
Speaker 4: part of the game. Yeah. You gave up.
59:57
Speaker 1: It is kind of shocking that he never got into it.
1:00:00
Speaker 4: Well, and I would also think you're a cool guy
1:00:02
Speaker 4: about town. I mean, like, what do you eat when
1:00:05
Speaker 4: you're taking a girl out who wants to fuck? Like,
1:00:08
Speaker 4: in Los Angeles, you take a girl to Sugarfish, you know?
1:00:11
Speaker 1: What do you think is going to happen with the
1:00:13
Speaker 1: two of them? What is your prediction?
1:00:15
Speaker 4: Okay, I would say that he has boxed himself in
1:00:18
Speaker 4: very significantly. He's alienated his family entirely, though I do
1:00:22
Speaker 4: think the health situation that's going on is crazy. Like,
1:00:25
Speaker 4: if something... if we came into some situation where we
1:00:29
Speaker 4: lost Charles and we lost William, like he would kind
1:00:32
Speaker 4: of have some responsibilities as a great counselor of state.
1:00:37
Speaker 4: But I think he, I would like to see him
1:00:41
Speaker 4: mend fences with his family, especially before his father dies.
1:00:45
Speaker 4: But I do think it's very vitriolic between him and
1:00:48
Speaker 4: William now. But I would, I would hope that the
1:00:51
Speaker 4: health things that they are going through would make him,
1:00:56
Speaker 4: both sides more willing to sort of like reconcile.
1:01:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, yeah.
1:01:03
Speaker 4: I mean, but also like.
1:01:04
Speaker 1: How do you feel about the jam?
1:01:06
Speaker 4: About the what?
1:01:07
Speaker 1: She's starting a jam company, like preserves.
1:01:10
Speaker 4: Oh, yes. Launching it the same week as all of
1:01:13
Speaker 4: the cancer news came out. Her calling it American Riviera,
1:01:17
Speaker 4: I have a real problem with. But anything that is
1:01:20
Speaker 4: celebrating California.
1:01:21
Speaker 1: It's American Riviera Orchard.
1:01:23
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. Anything that is celebrating California agriculture I'm excited about.
1:01:29
Speaker 4: Like I am the official unofficial ambassador for California prunes.
1:01:33
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:01:34
Speaker 4: Like being second in line to the throne doesn't mean
1:01:37
Speaker 4: anything anymore. Like there's not much for you to do
1:01:41
Speaker 4: except for go and open supermarkets. And I think being
1:01:44
Speaker 4: a mogul is a good, correct answer. I think they
1:01:47
Speaker 4: just need to find their thing. Like I don't know
1:01:51
Speaker 4: if it– do you think– Podcasts or jams?
1:01:54
Speaker 1: Well, the podcast didn't work. The Lemonada deal has now
1:01:57
Speaker 1: been pushed to 2025 because Sony– that didn't work out.
1:02:01
Speaker 1: Not Sony. They were with– sorry. They were with Spotify.
1:02:04
Speaker 1: And then that ended and then she got with Lemonada.
1:02:08
Speaker 1: And I really think that some type– I think part
1:02:14
Speaker 1: of this new– with the jams and the chickens and
1:02:17
Speaker 1: the food– They're going to try to do a classy
1:02:20
Speaker 1: reality show and then in the end they're going to
1:02:22
Speaker 1: be on like Housewives. I mean trying to– Like in
1:02:24
Speaker 1: like five years, she'll be on Housewives.
1:02:26
Speaker 4: Trying to do a classy reality show would be so gross.
1:02:30
Speaker 4: Like I do think it would come out bad. I
1:02:34
Speaker 4: mean it's essentially what they've been doing with his book
1:02:36
Speaker 4: and with their specials and stuff like that with the interviews.
1:02:39
Speaker 1: They think they're above it and they're not and eventually
1:02:41
Speaker 1: they're going to end up doing something like that.
1:02:43
Speaker 4: That's what I think. I mean like– How much she
1:02:47
Speaker 4: is essentially doing just a heightened form of trad wife?
1:02:49
Speaker 4: Do you watch?
1:02:50
Speaker 1: Oh, yes. I know all about the traditional wife of
1:02:52
Speaker 1: like making your own bread and all that stuff. Like
1:02:54
Speaker 1: Jennifer Garner with the bagels. Who has time for that?
1:02:57
Speaker 4: And the thing is, is like that lady on Ballerina
1:03:00
Speaker 4: Farms is always going to be able to do avocado
1:03:03
Speaker 4: toast better than you can.
1:03:05
Speaker 1: She said she was the avocado toast whisperer.
1:03:08
Speaker 4: Meghan Markle did?
1:03:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, or her friends used to call her that. I
1:03:11
Speaker 1: remember reading an article about it.
1:03:13
Speaker 4: She's so basic.
1:03:14
Speaker 1: I hate it when anyone talks about avocado toast or
1:03:19
Speaker 1: I make the greatest mac and cheese. I'm like, shut up.
1:03:21
Speaker 4: The thing is, she's really, really talented. She is really
1:03:24
Speaker 4: good if you watch the videos from when she was
1:03:26
Speaker 4: doing royal family stuff. She was really good at the
1:03:29
Speaker 4: job and she was really innovative in the way that
1:03:30
Speaker 4: she approached it. And I wish she had been able
1:03:33
Speaker 4: to work within the system a little bit better. But also,
1:03:37
Speaker 4: the system was holding her out as a piece of
1:03:39
Speaker 4: meat to protect other people. You know, it really was
1:03:43
Speaker 4: kind of gross. And like, I'm glad that we have
1:03:46
Speaker 4: little Archie and little bits growing up as real California children.
1:03:49
Speaker 1: That's yeah. You're great.
1:03:51
Speaker 4: Great.
1:03:52
Speaker 1: Okay. So now, you know, that Dorit, this is real
1:03:55
Speaker 1: house has Beverly Hills. You know, the Dorit and PK
1:03:57
Speaker 1: are separated.
1:03:58
Speaker 4: I know. And I was told that Dorit did it.
1:04:02
Speaker 4: The Andy told Dorit, you have to like, like you
1:04:07
Speaker 4: need to get things proper with your relationship if you
1:04:09
Speaker 4: want to come back on the season. Dorit needs to
1:04:12
Speaker 4: figure out a goddamn plot line for this next season.
1:04:15
Speaker 1: Well, I think having trouble being on the verge of
1:04:19
Speaker 1: divorce is pretty good. Women love it. Women love it.
1:04:22
Speaker 4: It is, but her video messaging with PK was boring.
1:04:29
Speaker 4: And her talking about her trauma- Well.
1:04:30
Speaker 1: He was gone for 73 days. I should have told
1:04:32
Speaker 1: you something.
1:04:33
Speaker 4: Her trauma from the break-in, so boring- neither of those
1:04:39
Speaker 4: is boring as Crystal's brother. But Crystal at least had
1:04:43
Speaker 4: other good fights last season.
1:04:44
Speaker 1: Well, they kicked her off.
1:04:45
Speaker 4: I know. They should not have kicked off Crystal.
1:04:47
Speaker 1: Really? Because you wrote me.
1:04:49
Speaker 4: Yes.
1:04:50
Speaker 1: Why does Crystal think we care about her brother? And
1:04:52
Speaker 1: I said, listen, they didn't have to share that part
1:04:55
Speaker 1: about the brother. They probably asked for more brother.
1:04:58
Speaker 4: I thought it was so boring. I love Dorit. She
1:05:01
Speaker 4: is my favorite Real Housewife across all franchises. I just,
1:05:04
Speaker 4: she needs to come correct this season. She needs to
1:05:07
Speaker 4: start a fight. with one of the new women who
1:05:10
Speaker 4: is small enough that she could take them on. I
1:05:12
Speaker 4: do not think, the thing is, is if she goes
1:05:14
Speaker 4: after Sutton, Garcelle will back up Sutton. And we've all
1:05:18
Speaker 4: seen what happens when Dorit and Garcelle go head to head.
1:05:22
Speaker 1: Are we going to finally get the truth about, Kyle
1:05:25
Speaker 1: has done another interview saying Morgan and I are just friends.
1:05:29
Speaker 5: Ugh!
1:05:30
Speaker 4: I am so tired of it. I'm so pissed off
1:05:32
Speaker 4: about it. You've like given up all of your identity
1:05:35
Speaker 4: because you're being subsumed into a lesbian relationship and you
1:05:38
Speaker 4: still can't even say that you're a lesbian. You've covered
1:05:40
Speaker 4: your body in tattoos, upsetting the Judaism that you acquired
1:05:45
Speaker 4: 20 years ago. No, I will have none of this.
1:05:49
Speaker 1: I'm going to make you love me. I just met
1:05:52
Speaker 1: this pretty lady. Yeah, I think it's Morgan is going
1:05:55
Speaker 1: to be over her soon.
1:05:56
Speaker 4: Here's what I would like to kind of see from
1:05:59
Speaker 4: this season. And what I'm saying is apocalyptic.
1:06:02
Speaker 3: Okay.
1:06:03
Speaker 4: We all remember in season seven when all of the
1:06:06
Speaker 4: most powerful witches in the land combined their power to
1:06:09
Speaker 4: drive Lisa Vanderpump off of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
1:06:13
Speaker 1: With Puppigate.
1:06:14
Speaker 4: If everyone got together against Kyle, I would love that.
1:06:21
Speaker 1: Oh, God, that's so mean.
1:06:22
Speaker 5: Okay.
1:06:25
Speaker 1: There is a new show coming out on Peacock, Queer Planet,
1:06:29
Speaker 1: and it's a documentary on gay, bisexual, and trans animals.
1:06:34
Speaker 1: Clown fish are able to change their gender. I don't
1:06:37
Speaker 1: know if you know that. Gay penguins, I've been talking
1:06:39
Speaker 1: about for years. That has been a major thing where
1:06:42
Speaker 1: they have a female friend that would like to have
1:06:46
Speaker 1: a fun life, and she gives them her egg, and
1:06:49
Speaker 1: they raise that baby, and they're all friends.
1:06:51
Speaker 4: You know, we talk a lot about the gay penguins,
1:06:53
Speaker 4: but we don't talk about the fag-hag penguins. You know,
1:06:56
Speaker 4: the ones who are like, I just want to go
1:06:58
Speaker 4: out for drinks, but I don't want to raise this egg. Like,
1:07:01
Speaker 4: where is the documentary about Jill from?
1:07:04
Speaker 1: Just getting like a fun ice igloo drink. Yeah. So,
1:07:09
Speaker 1: you know, a very... Look, so interesting.
1:07:12
Speaker 4: All for it.
1:07:13
Speaker 1: But good. I mean, of course we know it. I
1:07:15
Speaker 1: think it's juicy. I remember my friend had like two
1:07:18
Speaker 1: little hamsters or something and they were brothers.
1:07:21
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:07:21
Speaker 1: And they were... gay and committing incest we watched it
1:07:26
Speaker 1: happen I mean and that's what I knew as a
1:07:29
Speaker 1: young person oh okay like if animals are gay people
1:07:32
Speaker 1: could be gay it's natural it's gay you can't tell
1:07:35
Speaker 1: me it's not natural you.
1:07:36
Speaker 4: Know back then if we had hamster incest it just
1:07:39
Speaker 4: existed there in that child's room but now with OnlyFans
1:07:42
Speaker 4: everyone could have access to it oh my.
1:07:44
Speaker 1: God so I just thought this was kind of interesting
1:07:47
Speaker 1: Sarah Paulson does not live with her girlfriend of Holland
1:07:50
Speaker 1: Taylor after nearly 10 years as a couple Which I
1:07:53
Speaker 1: don't really think is a big deal. I think that's
1:07:55
Speaker 1: another thing that needs to be normalized.
1:07:56
Speaker 4: Yes.
1:07:56
Speaker 1: Not everybody has to live together whether you're married. I mean,
1:08:00
Speaker 1: I had a cousin who got divorced or– Yeah, he
1:08:04
Speaker 1: got divorced. He and his girlfriend were together a really
1:08:06
Speaker 1: long time. And they got married as like people in
1:08:09
Speaker 1: their late 50s. And they just had a house down
1:08:12
Speaker 1: the street from each other. And they never gave up
1:08:14
Speaker 1: their houses. But they wanted to have that commitment as
1:08:17
Speaker 1: they entered the next chapter.
1:08:18
Speaker 4: I love the boundaries. I love establishing what is safe
1:08:22
Speaker 4: and comfortable for you. Anyone who has ever seen Sarah
1:08:25
Speaker 4: Paulson and Holland Taylor together sees that they truly, truly
1:08:28
Speaker 4: love and respect each other. Like Sarah Paulson... The women
1:08:33
Speaker 4: who she falls in love with, Cherry Jones. I mean,
1:08:36
Speaker 4: it's like, the fact that it is women in her
1:08:39
Speaker 4: own field who she truly, truly respects. I am just, oh.
1:08:43
Speaker 1: I'm also fascinated by like a May-December romance between two women.
1:08:47
Speaker 4: Did you watch Girls 5 Ever?
1:08:50
Speaker 1: Oh, no, I haven't.
1:08:51
Speaker 4: On the third season of Girls, it's very funny. But
1:08:54
Speaker 4: on the third season, there's this arc of Paula Pell's
1:08:56
Speaker 4: character trying to have sex with all 178 types of lesbians.
1:09:01
Speaker 4: And her wife, my friend Janine Brito, wrote for the season. Yeah.
1:09:05
Speaker 1: And.
1:09:06
Speaker 4: there's a point at the end where she talks about
1:09:08
Speaker 4: everything you are looking for in a relationship and like
1:09:11
Speaker 4: the third thing she says is regard and it's just
1:09:14
Speaker 4: like to me that is like the core just like
1:09:17
Speaker 4: respect okay like that i regard you like i understand
1:09:21
Speaker 4: your power and strength and think that it's important and
1:09:25
Speaker 4: i i love that in lesbian relationships and i think
1:09:28
Speaker 4: there are There are a lot of MeDecember lesbian relationships.
1:09:32
Speaker 1: I feel like this is– I have not seen a
1:09:34
Speaker 1: lot of it, but I think.
1:09:35
Speaker 4: That– Like sexy mentorship?
1:09:37
Speaker 1: That's what I think. It's kind of like an interesting thing.
1:09:39
Speaker 4: You know that lesbians are obsessed with hacks because they
1:09:41
Speaker 4: want Ava and Debra to get together. I know.
1:09:45
Speaker 1: I thought there was one moment, but I don't want
1:09:48
Speaker 1: it to go there. Yeah. I don't want it to
1:09:50
Speaker 1: go there as a show. Now, listen. Sex in the City. Okay.
1:09:55
Speaker 1: Cynthia Nixon said– Trolls called the cast gay men in disguise. Well,
1:09:59
Speaker 1: this is– it wasn't trolls. This has been something that's
1:10:01
Speaker 1: been going on for a while. The show started so
1:10:04
Speaker 1: long ago. It started, I think, in 99 was the
1:10:06
Speaker 1: first season.
1:10:07
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:10:08
Speaker 1: And– And I loved it because I'd never seen anything
1:10:13
Speaker 1: like this.
1:10:13
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:10:14
Speaker 1: But I can say as someone who grew up around–
1:10:17
Speaker 1: we're all around the same age with my girlfriends that
1:10:19
Speaker 1: were dating and doing– we did not talk that graphically
1:10:23
Speaker 1: about sex. We really didn't.
1:10:25
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:10:25
Speaker 1: And it was written predominantly by gay men.
1:10:28
Speaker 4: Darren Star, Michael Patrick King.
1:10:30
Speaker 1: But I do think that the thing that no one
1:10:32
Speaker 1: is talking about is– The young teenage girls that then
1:10:37
Speaker 1: watched it or found it on Netflix that watched it
1:10:40
Speaker 1: and it maybe affected their sexuality as millennial women to
1:10:45
Speaker 1: be more free with their sexuality because media does affect
1:10:50
Speaker 1: your relationships. It's what you see. You get obsessed with you.
1:10:52
Speaker 1: Girls wanted to move to New York. They wanted to
1:10:54
Speaker 1: be a writer. They wanted to, who are my Sex
1:10:57
Speaker 1: and the City friends? They love it. I mean, that's
1:10:59
Speaker 1: why we still watch reruns today.
1:11:01
Speaker 4: It was so funny in like 2007 or like 2005,
1:11:05
Speaker 4: you would go to the Lower East Side and there
1:11:07
Speaker 4: were all of these women clicking around in heels because
1:11:10
Speaker 4: they were trying to have that Manhattan life. And then 10,
1:11:15
Speaker 4: 15 years later, you went to Brooklyn and all around Greenpoint,
1:11:18
Speaker 4: there were little girls who were like living out their
1:11:20
Speaker 4: girls reality. And then the last time I went to Paris,
1:11:24
Speaker 4: I went to this, this gay bar raid that was
1:11:27
Speaker 4: featured in Emily in Paris. And it was like a
1:11:29
Speaker 4: third women who were just sort of.
1:11:31
Speaker 1: Like, um, wanting to just experience what they saw on TV.
1:11:35
Speaker 4: Exactly. And I like get it. I understand that these
1:11:37
Speaker 4: things like build your aspirations, but, And I respect that.
1:11:42
Speaker 1: And I mean, there's so many there was finally this
1:11:44
Speaker 1: has only hit me like in the last five years
1:11:47
Speaker 1: of life. But where you'd watch I love TV and
1:11:51
Speaker 1: movies and watch these romantic things. And it was always like,
1:11:54
Speaker 1: you know, the girl walks into a party and is unassuming.
1:11:58
Speaker 1: And then the hot guy looks from across and is like,
1:12:01
Speaker 1: that's the girl I want. The one that nobody's looking
1:12:04
Speaker 1: at that's being shy and not making any noise. That's
1:12:07
Speaker 1: the one I'm going to fall in love with. And
1:12:09
Speaker 1: then I realized a guy is writing this and it's
1:12:12
Speaker 1: a fantasy and it's not true. The guy that, if
1:12:15
Speaker 1: you want the guy, you better go up to the guy.
1:12:17
Speaker 1: You better be right in front of his fucking face
1:12:19
Speaker 1: because he's not going to go searching through the thing
1:12:22
Speaker 1: for the one girl that's standing in a corner, you know,
1:12:25
Speaker 1: looking like a dork. It doesn't happen.
1:12:27
Speaker 4: I kind of missed the Sex and the City Girls
1:12:28
Speaker 4: that were being written by, and it wasn't all gay men.
1:12:31
Speaker 4: It was Greg Barant. It was a lot of great
1:12:33
Speaker 4: female writers as well. But like, I miss the Sex and.
1:12:36
Speaker 2: The City Girls.
1:12:36
Speaker 1: But there were some scenes that like, You could, there's
1:12:39
Speaker 1: no way. Miranda meeting a guy at the gym and
1:12:44
Speaker 1: fucking him right after the gym while sweaty without taking
1:12:47
Speaker 1: a shower first. And it was like a first time boat.
1:12:50
Speaker 1: Never would happen to a woman.
1:12:51
Speaker 4: Charlotte freely admitting that she eats Harry's ass.
1:12:55
Speaker 1: True.
1:12:56
Speaker 4: Yes.
1:12:56
Speaker 1: No, you're right. Like, no, I've never had a friend
1:13:00
Speaker 1: talk about that. Yeah. Talk about that person. Like people
1:13:03
Speaker 1: were like, oh, I got it good last night. Like
1:13:05
Speaker 1: something like that from the husband. But never like this
1:13:08
Speaker 1: graphic stuff. And I just don't think women speak like that.
1:13:11
Speaker 1: I do think that's gay writers writing that. And but
1:13:14
Speaker 1: I think also just I was watching it and I
1:13:17
Speaker 1: was already married and I was like, God, are women gay?
1:13:20
Speaker 1: sleeping with guys this early on like barely knowing them
1:13:24
Speaker 1: and all this I was kind of like is this
1:13:26
Speaker 1: really happening and I don't really think it was and
1:13:29
Speaker 1: then I think it became a reality with a lot
1:13:31
Speaker 1: of women.
1:13:32
Speaker 4: But they all seem too conservative on and just like
1:13:34
Speaker 4: that to you don't they well.
1:13:35
Speaker 1: What is weird is if you what was really the
1:13:39
Speaker 1: criticism of just like that and I cannot wait for
1:13:42
Speaker 1: this I will never stop watching that show. But it
1:13:45
Speaker 1: was really Cynthia Nixon's character. She was a strong girl.
1:13:49
Speaker 1: She was like, she didn't want to have the baby.
1:13:51
Speaker 1: Nothing sweet and foofy. Don't want to be with Steve. This, that.
1:13:55
Speaker 1: And then. 20 years later, she's like this fumbling idiot.
1:13:59
Speaker 1: And why doesn't she have money? And I was like,
1:14:02
Speaker 1: I'll just be an intern. I'm like, you're a Harvard
1:14:04
Speaker 1: graduate law lawyer.
1:14:06
Speaker 4: She was a partner for decades. Why does she not
1:14:08
Speaker 4: have money?
1:14:09
Speaker 5: Yeah.
1:14:10
Speaker 1: That type of thing was just them. I think they
1:14:12
Speaker 1: sat down and thought they had to create a whole
1:14:15
Speaker 1: nother reality for a post-2020 world. And I'm like, no,
1:14:19
Speaker 1: these women wouldn't be jumping on this bandwagon. They would
1:14:23
Speaker 1: be Maybe it would be surrounding and other characters and stuff,
1:14:27
Speaker 1: but I don't think they would be like so adjusting
1:14:30
Speaker 1: to it so simply. No, none of us are. You're like, oh, okay,
1:14:34
Speaker 1: this is happening. And, oh, this is interesting that my
1:14:37
Speaker 1: Gen Z child is seeing the world differently than I am.
1:14:41
Speaker 1: But it's not– you know what I mean? It just
1:14:43
Speaker 1: was trying to– and now I think they're finally getting
1:14:45
Speaker 1: to a place and we're going to see– We're going
1:14:49
Speaker 1: to see Sarah Jessica Parker in her hideous hats. And
1:14:53
Speaker 1: Perez Hilton noted this, which I thought was great, is
1:14:56
Speaker 1: in this scene she is wearing Dr. Scholl's, which look cute.
1:15:00
Speaker 1: They look fine with her outfit. She, you know, says
1:15:03
Speaker 1: she has all these like feet problems from doing all
1:15:06
Speaker 1: the shows. And she's always running. She always had to
1:15:08
Speaker 1: run across the street in heels in New York, even
1:15:11
Speaker 1: when there was no oncoming traffic.
1:15:13
Speaker 4: She's handling the seasons of her life. And I love it.
1:15:15
Speaker 4: I love this outfit. I think it is too much,
1:15:19
Speaker 4: but Carrie, where's a fucking ballerina choo-choo to walk down
1:15:23
Speaker 4: the street?
1:15:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all that we love. So after my show
1:15:27
Speaker 1: was in Denver, I had regular TV, which I never
1:15:31
Speaker 1: have anymore because I have to do all these different
1:15:34
Speaker 1: things to watch TV in my house. And I was
1:15:36
Speaker 1: watching an old Sex and the City, and it was
1:15:39
Speaker 1: when Big, she finds out Big is moving, and she goes,
1:15:43
Speaker 1: get it, Wyatt, it's hot. She brings over a pizza,
1:15:46
Speaker 1: and then she goes, Oh, your furniture's gone. And he's like,
1:15:51
Speaker 1: that's right, kid. I'm moving to Napa. I'm tired of
1:15:55
Speaker 1: the city. And she's like, when you're tired of the city,
1:15:59
Speaker 1: you take a Napa. You don't move to Napa.
1:16:03
Speaker 4: Oh, what a terrible joke.
1:16:06
Speaker 1: I will never, ever stop watching this show. Reruns, the
1:16:11
Speaker 1: new ones. Can't wait. Howard Stern said something, he brought up,
1:16:18
Speaker 1: that Jerry Seinfeld made a comment about Howard Stern. Now,
1:16:21
Speaker 1: they've been friends forever. They're wise or good friends. They're
1:16:25
Speaker 1: rich Hampton buddies.
1:16:26
Speaker 4: Yes.
1:16:27
Speaker 1: And he basically said something to the effect of, I
1:16:32
Speaker 1: don't think Howard would be as popular as if he
1:16:36
Speaker 1: was coming up today with all the podcast competition.
1:16:39
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:16:40
Speaker 1: And Howard was kind of like, I don't know why
1:16:42
Speaker 1: you'd say that. And then he doubled back. He was like, no, no, no.
1:16:44
Speaker 1: I just meant it's probably, you know, it's great that
1:16:48
Speaker 1: he's not bothered by all the competition or something like that.
1:16:51
Speaker 4: Jerry wouldn't be as popular today if he was coming
1:16:53
Speaker 4: up against all of the other comedian competition. His socks jokes.
1:16:59
Speaker 4: But part of it is because both of them helped
1:17:00
Speaker 4: create the landscape that we have now. Those podcasts wouldn't.
1:17:05
Speaker 4: His show was the first podcast. It was the first
1:17:07
Speaker 4: hangout personality. Here's three hours of content every day.
1:17:11
Speaker 5: Yeah.
1:17:12
Speaker 1: And yes, so that was kind of an interesting thing.
1:17:15
Speaker 1: But yeah, of course, none of us would be here
1:17:17
Speaker 1: today without him.
1:17:19
Speaker 4: How do you feel about Jerry getting so upset about
1:17:22
Speaker 4: the young people being upset by his comedy?
1:17:25
Speaker 1: Is that what's going on? Is he really mad about that?
1:17:28
Speaker 4: Ever since he did The Tonight Show like five years
1:17:31
Speaker 4: ago and was like, he had some dumb joke about
1:17:34
Speaker 4: a gay king. And he was like, kids at colleges
1:17:39
Speaker 4: don't like it. And it's like, you know.
1:17:41
Speaker 1: I don't, I mean, listen, he's. I think it's interesting
1:17:45
Speaker 1: that the kids keep bringing up the fact that he
1:17:47
Speaker 1: dated a 17-year-old when he was 38, which was Shoshonda.
1:17:51
Speaker 1: And I think that's what he's probably pissed about. He's
1:17:54
Speaker 1: probably pissed that TikTok and things exist and people can
1:17:58
Speaker 1: remind people of like, that was weird. You were 38
1:18:00
Speaker 1: with the show.
1:18:01
Speaker 4: He was 38 with the show and he dated a
1:18:03
Speaker 4: high schooler.
1:18:04
Speaker 1: And she was in high school, like 100%, and then
1:18:08
Speaker 1: dated her for like five years.
1:18:10
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:18:10
Speaker 1: And then when he met his wife, she had just
1:18:15
Speaker 1: come back from her honeymoon. And then they started to date.
1:18:18
Speaker 1: They met at the gym. And he took an interest
1:18:21
Speaker 1: in her. And she was like, screw the husband that
1:18:23
Speaker 1: I just married.
1:18:24
Speaker 4: I did not know that. That's amazing.
1:18:26
Speaker 5: So those are.
1:18:26
Speaker 1: Two juicy, controversial things. So it doesn't mean he's a
1:18:30
Speaker 1: horrible person. He stayed married to Jennifer or whatever, Jessica.
1:18:34
Speaker 1: They've been married and have three grown kids.
1:18:36
Speaker 4: With her dumb cookbooks.
1:18:38
Speaker 1: Well, the controversy with the cookbooks were that she created
1:18:42
Speaker 1: the thing of like hiding a chicken nugget wrapped in
1:18:45
Speaker 1: like– Yes, chocolate cake.
1:18:46
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:18:47
Speaker 1: No, no.
1:18:48
Speaker 4: No.
1:18:48
Speaker 1: You take chicken. and you'd wrap it in like broccoli
1:18:53
Speaker 1: and then you'd put it in so it looked like
1:18:55
Speaker 1: a nugget. Yes. But you'd sneak in. It was called
1:18:57
Speaker 1: the Sneaky Chef or something.
1:18:58
Speaker 4: Yes. It was like you blend up spinach and you
1:19:00
Speaker 4: put that in chocolate pudding.
1:19:01
Speaker 1: But I guess there was accusations. Of course, she got
1:19:04
Speaker 1: to be on Oprah.
1:19:05
Speaker 4: Yes.
1:19:05
Speaker 1: And she gave Oprah 21 pairs of designer shoes to
1:19:08
Speaker 1: thank her. And she got to be on Oprah and
1:19:10
Speaker 1: her book went viral and she became somewhat of a
1:19:12
Speaker 1: celebrity in her own right. And then there were people
1:19:15
Speaker 1: that came out or one woman who said you stole it.
1:19:17
Speaker 1: Did she plagiarize it? Yeah.
1:19:18
Speaker 4: Wonderful.
1:19:18
Speaker 1: I had something very similar that was already out there
1:19:21
Speaker 1: and da, da, da, da. Of course, it turned out
1:19:24
Speaker 1: to be fine. And then people got obsessed with the
1:19:27
Speaker 1: fact that Jessica Seinfeld was no longer close to Kelly Ripa.
1:19:31
Speaker 4: Oh.
1:19:31
Speaker 1: And people wondered what happened there. And there was like,
1:19:35
Speaker 1: wait a minute. They were also friends. Did some– swinging
1:19:39
Speaker 1: thing happened? Did something happen with their kids? What happened?
1:19:42
Speaker 4: I trust Kelly Ripa's friendships just based on her role
1:19:46
Speaker 4: in Andy Cohen's books. Like, I really, I believe in
1:19:49
Speaker 4: that friendship. I believe that she is capable. And the
1:19:51
Speaker 4: way that, like, it feels like SJP and Kelly Ripa
1:19:55
Speaker 4: and Andy Cohen, they just, like, pop into each other's
1:19:57
Speaker 4: houses and stuff. I want it to be true.
1:20:00
Speaker 1: I think what happened with the Jessica Seinfeld is I
1:20:03
Speaker 1: think there was some type of some opportunity or something
1:20:07
Speaker 1: that And she expected Kelly to do a little more.
1:20:12
Speaker 1: And Kelly was starting to get a little jealous of
1:20:15
Speaker 1: her rising. It was cool when you were the most
1:20:18
Speaker 1: famous comedian's wife that I'd occasionally hang out with in
1:20:21
Speaker 1: the Hamptons. But if you're going to start to be
1:20:22
Speaker 1: your own personality, I don't think I want to help you.
1:20:25
Speaker 1: And that's what I think happened. And they both agreed
1:20:27
Speaker 1: not to talk about it.
1:20:28
Speaker 4: I don't believe in swinging because I may have my criticisms,
1:20:32
Speaker 4: Jerry Seinfeld. I don't not think he is dumb enough
1:20:34
Speaker 4: for a moment to let his wife go near Mark Consuelos. Like,
1:20:38
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone ever gets a taste of Mark Consuelos.
1:20:40
Speaker 4: And then it's like, I'll go back to Jerry.
1:20:44
Speaker 1: But that, yeah, I think you're right. So I think
1:20:46
Speaker 1: my theory is more likely. This is kind of very confusing,
1:20:50
Speaker 1: this title of this film. Van Jones, who's a journalist,
1:20:54
Speaker 1: welcomes fourth baby, his second with friend, Nomi, via conscious co-parenting.
1:21:01
Speaker 1: So let me explain. He was married to a woman
1:21:04
Speaker 1: and they had two kids and they got divorced. And
1:21:06
Speaker 1: then during the pandemic, he was like, I'd really like
1:21:08
Speaker 1: to have another kid. Yes. And he had a female
1:21:11
Speaker 1: friend who was like- In his pod. Yeah. I'd like
1:21:14
Speaker 1: to have another, I'd like to have a baby. They-
1:21:17
Speaker 1: Had a baby together. I assume they screwed. In the article,
1:21:21
Speaker 1: it does not say they went an unconventional route. But
1:21:25
Speaker 1: the unconventional route is we're not a couple. We only
1:21:28
Speaker 1: screwed a procreate, but we're co-parenting. And now they had
1:21:31
Speaker 1: a second one. So he's co-parents with the first wife,
1:21:35
Speaker 1: and then he co-parents with this woman who he has
1:21:37
Speaker 1: no romantic relationship with. And all four kids, I guess,
1:21:41
Speaker 1: hang out.
1:21:41
Speaker 4: If they did it with a turkey baster, I would
1:21:42
Speaker 4: have been, that's fine. But the fact that they fuck
1:21:44
Speaker 4: makes me think that they like the fucking.
1:21:46
Speaker 1: I don't know if they fucked or not. People did
1:21:48
Speaker 1: not explain that part.
1:21:50
Speaker 4: I have friends who are, it's a straight guy or
1:21:54
Speaker 4: a gay guy and a straight woman. She wanted to
1:21:56
Speaker 4: have a kid and she was like, will you give
1:21:58
Speaker 4: me sperm? And they, they co-parent, they, you know, they
1:22:04
Speaker 4: are both in that baby's life. And I think that
1:22:05
Speaker 4: that's beautiful. If you're, you know, if, yeah, I don't
1:22:10
Speaker 4: think that you necessarily have to wrap I feel like.
1:22:12
Speaker 1: That has been a sitcom pitch so many times, but
1:22:15
Speaker 1: it's never really successfully worked.
1:22:18
Speaker 4: Okay, this may not seem related. It will make sense afterwards.
1:22:21
Speaker 4: But did you watch the horny Anne Hathaway movie?
1:22:24
Speaker 1: Oh, I started to watch it. I couldn't take it.
1:22:26
Speaker 1: Where she meets the guy, Coachella, who's a band.
1:22:27
Speaker 4: How could you not take it? That seems built for you.
1:22:31
Speaker 1: It was so... I fell asleep. It was so lame.
1:22:35
Speaker 5: Oh, no.
1:22:35
Speaker 4: I loved how horny it was.
1:22:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was kind of like, yeah, I guess it
1:22:40
Speaker 1: was sexual for that. But I just kind of was like, well,
1:22:43
Speaker 1: first of all, in that movie, I couldn't get over
1:22:46
Speaker 1: how old her daughter looked. Her daughter looked 35.
1:22:47
Speaker 4: No, that was not okay. The daughter should have been
1:22:50
Speaker 4: like 16.
1:22:50
Speaker 1: She's taking the kids to Coachella. It was not okay.
1:22:52
Speaker 1: And I go, who is this woman?
1:22:54
Speaker 4: I think they were trying to make you not feel
1:22:57
Speaker 4: sad that she was like taking her like tween daughter's crush.
1:23:02
Speaker 4: Like they wanted her to feel like. She was a
1:23:04
Speaker 4: mature enough person.
1:23:04
Speaker 1: And then the tween was over. But I mean, that
1:23:06
Speaker 1: girl had like bags under her eyes. I'm sure she's
1:23:08
Speaker 1: a very cute girl. I don't know why she looks
1:23:10
Speaker 1: so old.
1:23:10
Speaker 4: Yes.
1:23:10
Speaker 1: She's really old. And then she meets the hot young
1:23:13
Speaker 1: guy and it's fine. It's good. But she's so pretty.
1:23:18
Speaker 1: I just like that aspect of it. Guy, you got
1:23:20
Speaker 1: to go to a very fun thing. Yes. Our girl,
1:23:22
Speaker 1: Alison Faust.
1:23:24
Speaker 4: Our friend, Alison Faust.
1:23:24
Speaker 1: My first writing job ever.
1:23:26
Speaker 4: Yeah. We've both worked with her. She created the show,
1:23:28
Speaker 4: Act Your Age. Yes. It was on Bounce, but it
1:23:30
Speaker 4: got canceled after- 16 episodes, one season. So it's like
1:23:34
Speaker 4: a multicam sitcom, like old school. And it's basically just
1:23:37
Speaker 4: like the Golden Girls, but updated with Kim Whitley, who
1:23:40
Speaker 4: is so funny, and Tisha Campbell and Yvette Nicole Brown.
1:23:44
Speaker 4: And so the show is coming out on Netflix. It's
1:23:47
Speaker 4: going to be available on May 22nd on Netflix. And
1:23:52
Speaker 4: so the mayor, Karen Bass, the mayor of Los Angeles,
1:23:55
Speaker 4: it's her favorite show. So she had an event where
1:24:00
Speaker 4: they watched an episode and they had a Q & A,
1:24:01
Speaker 4: but it was me and 400 black women on a Sunday.
1:24:05
Speaker 4: And so the looks were astounding. Like everyone, there were
1:24:10
Speaker 4: so many looks. There was so much black sorority presence.
1:24:12
Speaker 4: It was so exciting. And then I saw this one
1:24:14
Speaker 4: woman and she had this like two toned up do.
1:24:16
Speaker 4: And I'm like, that's really good. And then she was
1:24:19
Speaker 4: wearing like a very sophisticated, like denim jumpsuit. And then
1:24:23
Speaker 4: she turned around and it was Alison, who I mostly
1:24:27
Speaker 4: experienced in a writer's room wearing a men's T-shirt.
1:24:30
Speaker 1: And she's killing it.
1:24:31
Speaker 4: Every time I see her in an event, she looks
1:24:33
Speaker 4: fucking gorgeous. And I mean, she's a beautiful woman.
1:24:36
Speaker 1: But like when you're writing with her, she was. Yeah,
1:24:38
Speaker 1: I do, too. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: When we write, we just show up.
1:24:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's rocking the natural gray hair, which is so pretty.
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Speaker 4: The show is so funny. It's coming out on Netflix.
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Speaker 4: And if people watch it on Netflix, it might get
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Speaker 4: a second season. So please watch it. Yes.
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Speaker 1: And it was so amazing because, you know, yeah, she
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Speaker 1: did the show and with the struggles of COVID and
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Speaker 1: second chance. That's what's so great. And, of course, all
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Speaker 1: the actresses that are so fast.
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Speaker 4: They are so funny. And it's great to watch those
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Speaker 4: people who are really good at multi-sit cams do one.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing. And then, Guy, tell everybody else where they
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Speaker 1: can find you.
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Speaker 4: Well, actually, if you are in Michigan, I will be
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Speaker 4: coming to Dr. Grin's in Grand Rapids from June 27th
1:25:23
Speaker 4: to 29th. And on social media, I'm at Guy Branum
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Speaker 4: on pretty much all social media.
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