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The 58 Hours: Baby Jessica and the Well Rescue · Children of the 80s

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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Children of the Eighties. I am one
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  Speaker 2: of your hosts, Jim, and I am joined us always
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  Speaker 2: by the lady who once fell down a well when
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  Speaker 2: she was a little girl. It's my co host, Lindsay.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what my opening was gonna be? And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, that's lame. Let me not do that.
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  Speaker 1: Mine was gonna be. I'm Lindsay, and with me today
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  Speaker 1: is my co host Jim, who, as far as I know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, has never fallen down to the bottom of
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  Speaker 1: a well. And I realized I may have just said, Jim,
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  Speaker 1: like Jem.
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  Speaker 2: You did? You said, Jem is truly outrageous, which I'm
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  Speaker 2: still miffed about. At our last show that it's lost
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  Speaker 2: in the first round.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to get over that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, not happy.
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  Speaker 1: How are you doing over there? Old man? I am
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  Speaker 1: an old man, you are, That's okay. I love you
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  Speaker 1: more today than yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, spiral staircase, Yeah, I feel old. I take naps now.
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  Speaker 2: I take lots of naps on the weekends, I take
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  Speaker 2: naps if I'm working from home. I hope nobody at
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  Speaker 2: work is listening. I take naps. No, instead of taking lunch, like,
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  Speaker 2: I take a nap. Like, how weird is that? When
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  Speaker 2: do I ever like pass up food? I'll tell you
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  Speaker 2: when when I need a nap.
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  Speaker 1: I've always been a nap taker. So, yes, it is
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  Speaker 1: unusual to see us change places a little bit now
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  Speaker 1: in life. But that's okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a little bit of a I've become a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a napper here in my early fifties.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, naps can be a good thing.
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  Speaker 2: I feel better after naps. But I wonder is three
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  Speaker 2: hours considered a nap or is it considered like hibernation.
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  Speaker 1: It's more than a siesta. I know that for sure.
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  Speaker 2: So you just got back from vacation. You just got
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  Speaker 2: back from the beach. But at one point I told
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  Speaker 2: you that I was exhausted and that people were non
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  Speaker 2: stop blowing me up on my phone, and that I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't going to be able to sleep if I didn't
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  Speaker 2: turn my phone off. So I turned my phone off
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  Speaker 2: and I slept for just under three hours. Yes, but
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  Speaker 2: right before the two hour mark, you start frantically texting me,
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  Speaker 2: and you send a neighbor over because you believe that
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  Speaker 2: I have kicked the bucket.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that is exactly what happened. I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you were expecting me to argue
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  Speaker 1: with you or try to make myself not look crazy
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  Speaker 1: or something, But no, that's me.
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  Speaker 2: You text our next door neighbor. She's not home. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so she texts somebody else that we don't know, who
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  Speaker 2: I've never met before. Who comes over, rings the doorbell?
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  Speaker 2: I answered. She says, oh, good, you are alive, And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, why wouldn't I be?
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  Speaker 1: But why wouldn't I be? But uh, who were you? Yes?
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  Speaker 2: But who are you? And she's like, I'm the neighbor
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  Speaker 2: from over there we've never met, which is great for
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  Speaker 2: us because we've been here like three and a half years. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and she's only like two houses down, and she's like,
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  Speaker 2: call your wife and then did she just walk away?
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  Speaker 2: And then she gets turned and walked away?
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  Speaker 1: Did she?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: That is so embarrassing.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So you have to know that I take three
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  Speaker 2: hour naps.
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  Speaker 1: I've done a few things recently that have been embarrassing,
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  Speaker 1: and there's just no way around it. I'm just like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was embarrassing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, I mean, I guess we all do. But
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  Speaker 2: I never sent a neighbor to check on a neighbor
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  Speaker 2: that they didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: So all joking aside. There is a medical reason, we
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  Speaker 1: believe for why you've been napping so much. Are you
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  Speaker 1: going to share that with us? Are you going to
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  Speaker 1: be like, tune in next time?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, come back next time to find out why Jim
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  Speaker 2: has been napping so much. We know you all are riveted. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sitting on the edge of your seats. Why do
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  Speaker 2: I nap because I have a disease called tired itis.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's a real thing in your fifties.
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  Speaker 2: Tired itis. Yeah, so the reason why I've been napping
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  Speaker 2: so much, there is a medical issue. May as well
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  Speaker 2: share with the audience. I've shared with family and friends.
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  Speaker 2: I actually have a grapefruit sized tumor on my right
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  Speaker 2: kidney or in my right is it on my right kidney?
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  Speaker 2: In my right kidneys?
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  Speaker 1: On?
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  Speaker 2: It's on my right kidney, and apparently that makes you
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  Speaker 2: extremely tired. I always thought that grapefruits were good for you.
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  Speaker 2: Turns out this one is not now.
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  Speaker 1: This one needs to come out. So in where are we?
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  Speaker 1: Three weeks?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, about three weeks from now, you will be.
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  Speaker 1: Having a surgery which has a big long name but
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  Speaker 1: I can't pronounce it, where they will remove not only
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  Speaker 1: the tumor but your right kidney.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and then hopefully I'll get uh, I won't have
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  Speaker 2: tired itis in.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what we're hoping. We'll have to see
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  Speaker 1: what happens next, but yes, we're hoping that the tired, tired,
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  Speaker 1: tired itis, tired itis will leave with the tumor.
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  Speaker 2: So, yes, I would like to get back to my.
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  Speaker 1: Old it's been, it's been, it's been something over here
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  Speaker 1: in the Butler Home. Well, we've gotten some answers on
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  Speaker 1: some things that we had feelings about.
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  Speaker 2: So I have feelings about the designated hitter rule and
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  Speaker 2: I still haven't gotten an answer about that.
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  Speaker 1: We don't always get everything resolved in life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So so yeah, So that's why I've been tired.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I've been sleeping. And that's why you, I think,
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  Speaker 2: probably called the neighbor because you thought that the uh
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  Speaker 2: I thought it had gotten but the cancer had gotten me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it had gotten you and I was
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  Speaker 1: in Florida, and it it ain't getting me. Emmy had
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  Speaker 1: to be the adult for a few minutes. It was ugly,
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  Speaker 1: and again, it was embarrassing, and the only thing that
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  Speaker 1: I knew once I heard your voice, the only thing
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  Speaker 1: that I knew was to admit to everyone involved, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: that was a little embarrassing for me. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Would you say that you acted a little over the top?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, absolutely, But in all fairness, I'm over the
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  Speaker 1: top ninety eight point nine percent of the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's one point one percent of the time where
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  Speaker 2: you're not Sylvester stallone and over the time.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, correct, So cancer or no cancer. I am generally
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  Speaker 1: over the top in life. Yes, emotions, thoughts, feelings, everything's
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  Speaker 1: over the top.
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  Speaker 2: Absurd statements on podcasts, hyperbole, hyperbole, over the top, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely so.
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  Speaker 1: At church, we do a Wednesday night dinner where members
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  Speaker 1: come together and we have a team of church members
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  Speaker 1: who cook for us and we all sit down and
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  Speaker 1: we eat as a family, and it's a really cool opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: And we had a lady going around table to table
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  Speaker 1: and she had this was right around Easter. She had
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  Speaker 1: one of those little plastic eggs you that people use
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  Speaker 1: in place of real eggs at Easter time, right to
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  Speaker 1: play hide and seek with. She had one of those eggs,
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  Speaker 1: and she was letting people know that she had found
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  Speaker 1: out she had gallstones and she was gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: have her gallbladder removed. And she was showing people, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: my gallbladder, the doctor says, is about this size. And
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  Speaker 1: she was using the egg as an example, and.
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  Speaker 2: She I don't think a gallbladders as big as an egg.
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  Speaker 1: And she used the egg as an example of the
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  Speaker 1: size of her gallbladder. And then she was holding it
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  Speaker 1: up to her body to show us where her gallbladder was. Chiat,
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  Speaker 1: I know where the gall bladder's located, but I guess
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  Speaker 1: she thought some people might not. So my question is,
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  Speaker 1: will you be buying a grapefruit and doing the same
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  Speaker 1: thing this week?
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  Speaker 2: No, because I'm not a weirdo, and I also have
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  Speaker 2: no gallbladder I know, so I'm gonna be gallbladder and kidney.
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  Speaker 1: Lists and which they're both on your right side.
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  Speaker 2: They are both on my right side.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Well that's about the only thing I think now
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  Speaker 1: that we could eliminate on the right side that you
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  Speaker 1: can live without.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't can eliminate my liver. Nope, let's keep
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  Speaker 2: all the other body I would you know, I was
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  Speaker 2: hoping to make it through life with all my body parts.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember we're gonna have two less now? Do
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  Speaker 2: you remember a time not that long ago when I
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  Speaker 2: was the sickly butler in this house? I do. Here's
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  Speaker 2: the thing, though, I don't feel sickly. I feel great.
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  Speaker 2: You feel tired, but I'm tired a lot, yes, But
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  Speaker 2: other than that, I feel fine.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So, uh, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna make
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  Speaker 2: sure that the doctor who does my surgery that he
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  Speaker 2: is listening to Joey Yesposito's You're the best around as
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  Speaker 2: we go into surgery.
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  Speaker 1: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: Well, so tell me about this playlist you were talking
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  Speaker 2: about at the beat.
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  Speaker 1: So Emy and I got to spend a week together
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  Speaker 1: at the beach and we had a great time. We
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  Speaker 1: had so so much fun. We laughed our way through
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  Speaker 1: spring break, and we were silly and goofy and crazy
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  Speaker 1: and it ended up being a wonderful trip. But she
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  Speaker 1: created us a beach playlist, and some of the songs
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  Speaker 1: on the playlist are songs that you would expect to
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  Speaker 1: be on the playlist.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, before before you go, all I've heard for the
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  Speaker 2: last week and a half or two weeks is wait
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  Speaker 2: till you hear this playlist, Wait till you hear this playlist.
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  Speaker 2: And you've been teasing it and teasing, but you wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: give it to me because you said you wanted to
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  Speaker 2: see my reaction live. So finally, is it over? Is
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  Speaker 2: it here? Can I hear the playlist?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Hit be with it?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So there are the ones you would expect. We
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  Speaker 1: got a lot of Megan Trainer, We've got a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of Taylor Swift, we got a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: Miley Cyrus. But here are the ones that I think
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  Speaker 1: you might find to be interesting. I want to dance
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  Speaker 1: with somebody Whitney Houston.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's exactly what I think of when I
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  Speaker 2: think of the beach.
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  Speaker 1: Girls. Just want to have fun. Cyndi Lauper sounds like
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  Speaker 1: you guys did material girl, Madonna, that's what you are
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  Speaker 1: Sweet Home Alabama?
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  Speaker 2: Is that because you guys drove through Alabama to get
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  Speaker 2: into it.
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  Speaker 1: And then she had to learn to play it on
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  Speaker 1: the guitar, to which she did. Don't worry, be happy,
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  Speaker 1: Bobby McPherrin.
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  Speaker 2: That's uh what I live my life by. Right now, I.
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  Speaker 1: Think we're alone now, Tiffany.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I've got nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Heaven is a place on earth. Belinda Carlisle. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't know this. I can't wait to hear
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  Speaker 1: if you knew this. She is a huge fan of
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  Speaker 1: Dancing Queen by Abba. Yes really, yes, I did not
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  Speaker 1: know that. We listened to that on repeat. Sweet Caroline
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  Speaker 1: Neil Diamond Okay, okay, drift away.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, now you're talking.
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  Speaker 1: She picked the Uncle Cracker version.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad that she didn't drift away while in the Oceaneah, me.
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  Speaker 1: Too, me too. Let me see. Oh I thought this
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  Speaker 1: one was interesting Morning Train Sheena Easton. Yeah, apparently she
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  Speaker 1: likes that one a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And this is unwritten Natasha Beddingfield, which I think is
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  Speaker 1: from the early two thousands. That's still I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's going back because that was before.
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  Speaker 1: She Yeah, kids got some really good taste of music.
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  Speaker 1: And then she picked out three Dolly Pardon songs because
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  Speaker 1: we love Donane. Of course, here you come again, Joline. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: oh oh oh, how could I for sorry? One more?
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  Speaker 1: Just a friend biz Marquy Uh what do you think.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like that was a really good playlist. That
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  Speaker 1: is a really good playlist. But when I think beach
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  Speaker 1: I think of Beach Boys. Yeah, but you have to
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  Speaker 1: remember she's a twelve year old girl in the year
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: And she's choosing a lot of eighties and ninety stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's pretty awesome too. We've raised her.
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  Speaker 1: Right we listen. I mean Natasha Benningfield, she's always like
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  Speaker 1: have you ever heard of her? Like? Yeah, actually I have.
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  Speaker 1: She's a big she likes Beyonce, like old school Beyonce.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I hear her playing a lot of uh do
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  Speaker 2: the Left? Do the Left? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? So I love it. I love that mixing some
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  Speaker 1: Dolly in there. I think we're doing something right something.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I gotta get something right.
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  Speaker 1: Something something. So anyways, would you like to borrow this
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  Speaker 1: playlist during your recovery?
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  Speaker 2: Sure? Except for the whole Morning Train nine to five.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to think about work while I'm red, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But don't isn't that a song that Brad likes from
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  Speaker 1: pop Pultry?
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  Speaker 2: I I guess.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that that was one of his Happy Songs.
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  Speaker 2: Morning Train Sheena Easton. Uh, sure, I'm gonna go with it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, gracious, I'm out of my good coffee
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  Speaker 1: and now I'm drinking water flavored coffee and it's just
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  Speaker 1: not getting the job done.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what to say about that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I don't either. It's not not working for me. Okay, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, do you think we got anybody left listening?
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  Speaker 2: Probably not.
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  Speaker 1: Are you ready ready to get on with it?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, let's let's get it on.
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  Speaker 1: This is a pod that looks back on the decade
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  Speaker 1: of the nineteen eighties. We talk about things that were
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  Speaker 1: important to us as children and what we look back
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  Speaker 1: on with fond memories as adults. Ultimately, this is a
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  Speaker 1: nostalgia podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Ultimately, this is your episode. You said I'm taking over
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  Speaker 2: this week. I think you feel bad for me. I'm
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  Speaker 2: getting a lot of baby in around the house. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not having to do much. Nope, you know, all I
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  Speaker 2: need is for you to feed me grapes while I
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  Speaker 2: lay around. And so you said you're taking over the podcast,
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  Speaker 2: which is still something that I don't mind doing. So
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  Speaker 2: I don't look at it as work.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know, but I know that in this
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  Speaker 1: short time before surgery, before you will be out of
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  Speaker 1: work for a while, you need to focus on work. Work.
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  Speaker 1: Let me handle everything else.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I can dig it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you ready, I'm ready. So today I thought we
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  Speaker 1: would revisit nineteen eighty seven. We're going to get in
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  Speaker 1: our time machine and go back to nineteen eighty seven.
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  Speaker 2: Like me some nineteen eighty seven and.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about baby Jessica, the.
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  Speaker 2: Little baby who fell down the well. Yes, was she
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  Speaker 2: in Texas? She was in Texas. Okay, just trying to
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  Speaker 2: take myself back to nineteen eighty seven. She's been in
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  Speaker 2: the news recently.
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  Speaker 1: She has, and that's one reason why she was fresh
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  Speaker 1: on my mind, because unfortunately she has been in the
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  Speaker 1: news recently for not so good situation. But we'll talk
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  Speaker 1: about her baby fall down the will no, thank goodness. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: are you ready?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Sure, Let's rewind to October fourteenth, nineteen eighty seven, to Midland, Texas. Now,
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  Speaker 1: why do I feel like Midland is where Friday Night
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  Speaker 1: Lights was based out of Friday.
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  Speaker 2: Night Lights was based out of Dylan, tex.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Well, I feel like there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: football in midlandtex there is oil and football. Yes, Chip
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  Speaker 1: McClure and his wife Reba or she goes by Sissy McClure.
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  Speaker 1: They are poor teenagers struggling to make ends meet during
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  Speaker 1: the depths of the oil bust. While visiting her sister,
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  Speaker 1: Jessica's mother, Sissy leaves her in the yard while she
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  Speaker 1: goes to answer the phone inside. Moments later, Jessica came
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  Speaker 1: upon the eight inch well opening and fell inside. At first,
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  Speaker 1: Sissy comes back outside and thinks that Jessica's playing hide
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  Speaker 1: and seek until she hears a noise and when she
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  Speaker 1: listens closely, she can hear baby Jessica babbling and crying
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  Speaker 1: from underground. So here's the problem. This isn't just any hole.
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  Speaker 1: It's an eight inch wide well casing. So eight inch
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  Speaker 1: is not as big as a dinner plate, because a
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  Speaker 1: dinner plate's more like ten inches, so it's a it's
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  Speaker 1: in the scope of things, it's small. She's stuck about
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  Speaker 1: twenty two feet underground, and she's not just sitting there.
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  Speaker 1: She's wedged. She's wedged in. One of her legs is
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  Speaker 1: actually pinned above her head. Oh, which is just really
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  Speaker 1: unimaginable too. As a parent. If you think about that
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  Speaker 1: little baby, Jessica. She's eighteen months old, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: So they call nine to one one. Rescuers come immediately
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  Speaker 1: and she's Jessica's crying, so they know, okay, she's alive.
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  Speaker 1: They hear her, but they cannot get to her. So
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  Speaker 1: here's the plan. They send a flashlight down first. Somehow
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  Speaker 1: they make some it's a makeshift long stick with a
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  Speaker 1: flashlight on the end, to see if they could kind
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: of get a better understanding of where she's at and
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: how stable or unstable she might be. So she did
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: not go all the way to the base of the well.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: She stopped before she got to the bottom because there
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: was a part that had eroded and it had formed
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: like a little seat almost, and that had stopped her. Okay,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: so she did not go as far as she could
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: have to the base of the well. But they realize
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: that smaller than a dinner plate size opening, they they
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: can't down They don't have anything that small. So a
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: grown man or even a boy, I don't think could
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: even fit down there. So originally there was somebody on scene,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: one of the rescuers who was born without shoulder blades,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: oh my goodness, and he volunteered to scrunch himself and
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: go down there. But even they that was not that
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: was not safe. That was not a good idea either.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: But can you imagine he didn't have shoulder blades, he
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: could scrunch himself. If this was a video podcast, you
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: would see me. I'm scrunching myself. Okay. So they come
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: along beside the well, and they dig a second shaft
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: next to it, and then they go a certain distance
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: down and then they start tunneling sideways to come at
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: her from the side. Actually, so this sounds straightforward, except
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: it's not because this is not dirt.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Oh it's not.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: No, this isn't this is not dirt hard rock.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. So if I had known you were
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: gonna say shafts so many times, I would have downloaded
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Isaac Hay's I'm sorry.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's not a word that I ever anticipated
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: saying on this podcast, much less say repeatedly. Right, Yet
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: here we are, here, we are in the meantime. The
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: rescuers who picture this mostly in the early to mid
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, there mostly men, right, And they're singing to her,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: and one trying to get her to sing and talk
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and they're trying to keep her calm because they don't
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: want her to get upset and God forbid dislaunch herself
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: and drop even farther. So the many rescuers often spoke
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: about hearing that little voice coming from that well singing
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Winnie the Pooh during the time that they were working
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: to get to her.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Now as a as a girl, dad, I guess that
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: kind of puts a smile on my face.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Does that not break your heart?
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Okay? So both so this rock is hard, and so
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: it's so hard that their equipment keeps failing. They even
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: had to bring in an oil drilling expert and a
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: mining engineer to figure it out. Was it Bruce Willis,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: It's Billy Bob Thornton.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Well, because because Bruce Willis was the best oil driller
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: on Earth, and that's why they sent him up to
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: try to stop the asteroid heading towards Earth.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: And they use some pretty advanced equipment for the time.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: It's something called water jet cutting, So basically they were
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: blasting through the rock with high pressure water. Do you
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: remember how long she was in that well?
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: And she was in there for a few days.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: She was so forty five hours it took them that
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: they were working. They were trying to figure it out.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: They were talking to her, they're trying to keep her calm.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: They're trying to keep mom and dad calm. Can you
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: imagine just the anguish that everybody's feeling at this point.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: So ultimately, Paramedic Robert O'Donnell is the one who goes
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: down the makeshift shaft that they've made. He goes down first.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: He literally has to inch his way through this tiny tunnel.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: So he finally is he.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Like Forrest Gump in Vietnam when they sit him through
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: the hole.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, he finally reaches her. Its total darkness, and he's
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: being so careful and he reaches out to, you know,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: like touch her, and she freaks out, of course, because
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: she's been down there. How how long's forty five hours?
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Three days, two days, two full days, twenty four hours
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: in a day, forty yeah.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Eighteen months old. She thinks he's a month, of course,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: so she starts freaking out and screaming, trying to get
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: away from him in his hand, So he retreats. He
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: backs up, and he remembers that her mom and dad
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: and family members that are up above kept referring to
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: her by a nickname. So he started talking to her
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: and using her nickname to kind of gain that like
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: trust and that oh way, toy, this is Are you.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Going to make me guess the nickname because you're not
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: saying it.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: They affectionately called her Jesse. Oh, so he's started calling
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: her Jesse, yeah, to calm her down, trying to calm
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: this thing down because.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: She was freaking out that it was a monster.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Of course it was a monsty, okay. So he carefully
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: works to free her without causing any more damage to
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: her than what the fall caused and what being stuck
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: in that position has already caused. So when he's able
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: to pass her off to another rescuer who then carries
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: her up to the surface, fifty eight hours had passed
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and she was finally out.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: So I'm assuming that the tunnel that they had to
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: dig go into her was much much bigger than the
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: one she fell down, because how could he have possibly
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: like passed her off, right, because I picture him going
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: in the head first and kind of shimmy and like
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: a snake, you know, I know, and just being able
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: to reach out. But then how do you get her
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: back it's kind of like a yeah, I don't know,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: like Andy Dufrayne crawling through the five hundred yards of
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: sewer manure, sewer manure.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Okay. When Jessica is rescued, doctors are honestly not sure
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: what they're dealing with. Her leg had been stuck in
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: that position over her head for the entire time that
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: she had been down there, so they thought that they
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: might actually have to amputate.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Her foot gosh.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: But instead they tried something that was pretty cutting edge
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: at the time, hyperbaric therapy, And in the end she
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: lost one pinky toe.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: That was it.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: That was it. Now she had multiple surgeries on that
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: one foot.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: My goodness, isn't that crazy?
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, So there's some not so good parts to this story. Sadly,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Robert O'Donnell, the man who actually went down and read,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: he struggled for years with PTSD after the rescue. He
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: ultimately lost his job in Midland. He moved across the
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: country and moved in with family kind of at one
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: point thought he was getting his life back together, and
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: then sadly, he had a mental health crisis and died
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: in the mid nineteen nineties.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Did they say like what the PTSD was about just
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the little girl or him being like Cluster or Phober,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I think it was also a lot for him. He
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: felt like he had gotten really close to fame in
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: some weird way, and in that last for you know,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know, a couple of months or whatever, and
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: then he lost that and he just became you know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the ordinary Bob again, and he didn't want to be
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: in the ordinary Bob. And I don't think that that helped.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I think there should be a band called Ordinary Bob.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So ironically, do you want to hear something
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: crazy Baby Jesse has no remembrance of any of this, Well,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: of course not. She's what forty something, Now, that's crazy
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: to me. I mean, I know, eighteen months old, I
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: get it.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't really have memories from eighteen months. You
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: have memories from like three on.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: So think about them. Go back to nineteen eighty seven.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: We did not have the Internet. We didn't have viral videos,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: we didn't have twenty four hour news stations. We didn't
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: have this just like constant twenty four to seven access
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: to everything going on in the world.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: We did not. We had something better. Tom brokeall.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, this is one of the first stories that people
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: latched onto or news organizations latched onto, and all the
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: major ABCNBCCBS, all the major networks flocked to Midland and
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: reported a lot of them for hours at a time.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: You might say that this was this went viral?
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: It did it? Did it? It went? Nineteen eighty seven's
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: version of viral.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: So, And I want to say this was in the
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: very beginning of CNN, and this kind of actually helped
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: CNN grab.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Some traction because people could get it twenty four whenever
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: they wanted, instead of having to wait for the six
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: o'clock news, er seven o'clock news or ten o'clock news
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: or whatever. Yet So Nightline with Ted copple.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: So, in nineteen eighty nine, ABC made made for TV movie, Yes,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: do you remember that?
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Vaguely? Yes? I remember. I didn't. I don't believe that
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I watched it, but I believe I remember them making
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: a made for TV movie about Baby Jessica with.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Bow Bridges and Patty Duke. Oh wow, okay, so yeah,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Everybody's Baby, The Rescue of Jessica McClure again. It came
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: out in nineteen eighty nine, a little bit after the fact.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: But okay, So, as the three big networks are realizing
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: that rescuers are about to be able to get baby
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Jessica out, they start breaking in and interrupting the regularly
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: scheduled program.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: So we interrupt your regularly scheduled program for this news break.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Ted Copple breaks into He's on ABC. He breaks into
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I Married Dora.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I Married Dora lasted for like eight
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: episodes and one of those got broken up by Ted Coppley.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Is this Dora the Explorer? No, no, Elizabeth Pina Okay,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Dan rather was on CBS. Of course he cut off
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: an hour episode of Beauty and the Beast.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, I wasn't missing that, Okay.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: NBC broke into Rags to Riches.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Of vaguely remember that one.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: So Hannie Chung was presenting the news coverage that evening
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: on NBC. Remember Old Connie, I remember Old Connie? Okay,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Then President Ronald Reagan said everybody in America became godmothers
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and godfathers of Jessica. While this was going on. So
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Bush Senior is from Midland, Texas, and so he and
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Barbara went back and actually visited with the family while
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Jessica was in the hospital.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: It got nothing. I was going to make a jellybean joke,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: and then I just decided not.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, A photograph of Baby Jessica's rescue actually received the
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight Pulitzer Prize for Spot News Photography.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, I can see that for sure.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I don't agree with this, but it doesn't matter if
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I agree with it or not. It is what it is.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Two thousand and seven, USA Today ranked the rescue of
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Baby Jessica number twenty two on its list of twenty
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: five Lives of Indelible Impact.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Twenty five lives of indelible impact, Right, what does that
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: even mean?
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But in nineteen ninety seven, a poll
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: taken by the Pew Research Center found that coverage of
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Princess Diana's death earlier in ninety seven was rivaled only
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: by Baby Jessica's rescue in worldwide.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Attention recency bias with the princess died.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: So when Jessica, baby Jessica not a baby anymore, she
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: reaches the age of twenty five, she inherited a trust
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: fund of the money that people in America sent to
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: her face. The family put it away for her, and
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: so she inherited that money at the age of twenty.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Is that the world's first gofund me? I mean, Kyle
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: the first viral story in the first gofund me?
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: So, but it was originally one point two million dollars
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: is what they originally got in donations. But she says
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: the bulk of it was lost during the two thousand
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: and eight financial crisis. So she says she actually didn't
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: get very much money at all.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: That's strange.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: So I don't know about that, okay. So Jessica has
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: recently been in the news sadly. A couple of weeks ago,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: she was arrested in Midland, Texas, where she still lives,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: after a domestic disturbance. County Shaf's deputies were called to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: her house and they took her in for charges of
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: assault causing bodily injury involving family violence. Ooh, so that's
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: all they're saying right now. But last time we checked,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: she did have a husband and two children.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: So it was against one of them possibly, or maybe
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: it was against the person that stole her one point
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: two million.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Would you blame her?
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: No? Because one point two million in nineteen eighty six
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: should have grown to astronomical That's what I thought. Portions
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: by twenty ten, that's what I thought. I am a
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not good with money, but I would think if
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: you were putting money in a trust fund and you
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: were just gonna leave it for twenty years, that it
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: should grow considerably.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Anyways, Well, yeah, I remember that story. Well,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I wonder what the top twenty five were for that
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: list that you have where she was twenty two. I
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: want to say OJ would have been number one. Oh,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: it would have to be or maybe Princess Die if
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: you're talking world wide, right, maybe Princess Die was bigger
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: than OJ because she was a princess.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was when when Princess Died died. That
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: was quite a big deal. Yeah, all night that night
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: watching the news coverage.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Of her dot But OJ had to be pretty big,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: uh Tanya Harding getting some thugs to whack Nancy Kerrigan
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: and the knee had to be pretty big. Yeah, yeah,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: john Wayne Bob, it was probably pretty little.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: So anyway, Yeah, that was a that was a fun
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: trip down memory lane, and I learned a lot that
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I didn't know. I did not realize that her poor
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: little leg was stuck up above her head. Do you
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: remember the twenty first night of September?
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Do you remember the crazy three or four days of
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: news coverage that follows, Yes, I.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Absolutely remember that. And I remember one night going to
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: bed my dad being like pray for baby Jessica and
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: hearing that she was singing songs down there. I didn't
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: know it was one of the Pooh songs, but yeah,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: you're just hearing that she was singing songs. So that
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: was kind of you know, I guess as a kid,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: you don't really understand, so you think that's encouraging, which
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I guess it probably was encouraging, But you don't think
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: of it as being sad. You think of it as
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: being encouraging. That right, she seems to be in a
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: good mood. But I mean, I can't go fifty three
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: minutes without eating much less fifty three hours, I know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: and I wouldn't have wanted to change that diaper after
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: fifty three hours.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I wondered why they didn't send her a sippy cup
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: down because I would think that it wouldn't take much,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: or it wouldn't take long for a baby to get dehydrated.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: They also didn't know the extent of her injuries, right, so, right,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: but anyways, it just oh, it breaks my heart, that
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: sweet little thing.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wie, she's kicking people with her four toes.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Apparently. I remember the story and I remember it being
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: on the news, but I didn't quite grasp the situation, right,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't quite understand what was going on. And I
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: was probably just a tad too young to fully get
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: how that would have happened.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Why are there open wells in the in the ground
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: that aren't like built up with bricks around them like
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: a like a fire pit.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, right, I didn't get that because it
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: was a matter of time. Yes, it was just a
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: matter of time.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like that was a property prior to
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: her aunt owning. It was owned by Buffalo Bill. No,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I know, I know probably many a lotion went down
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: into that, uh, into that well.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: So today, not the typical episode.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: But we're still tracking down memory less.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: We're trying.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, We've still going down memory lane, and we talk,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: like you said at the beginning, we talk about stuff
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: that was important to us as kids, and this was
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: important to us.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: This was important, and it was definitely important to those
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: just a little bit older than me, right so, and
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: they are children of the eighties, very much so.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: But we will be back next week with the finals
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: of our tournament.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Oh I forgot that we haven't finished this nonsense.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: No, we've got it. We've got one more episode with
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: the finals. We've got three esteemed guests joining us that
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: will determine the twenty twenty six Children of the Eighties
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Pop Culture Tournament.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Once again, just like we had twenty twenty five, where
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: the champion was Cheers, this time the champion is going
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: to be one of eight cartoon songs.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: And we are going to get this bad boy wrapped
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: up and it's gonna be a good episode. And that
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: is next week. That will be next week, next Wins Day.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: If you can't wait until next Wednesday to hear my
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: lovely voice, why don't you check out pop Culture Yearbook
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: on Monday, where I am a guest with Brad and
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Giff talking about revisiting the nineteen ninety four oscars between
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Forrest Gump and The Shawshank Redemption, where we talk about
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: both movies and handout Oscar Awards to what we would
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: have what we think should have won then and with
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: the even with some made up awards that Brad made up. Yeah,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: so it's a lot of fun.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, you can find us on all the.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Socials Children of Underscore Eighties Twitter, Oh sorry, X, it's
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: still Twitter.
• 38:47
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