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“When You’re Out of Season, It Costs More” — Janice Coleman Breaks It Down | EP141 · Jess Ask

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  Speaker 1: Yo, it's your girl Jessica and Smith and you already
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  Speaker 3: Hey, hey, I know we could be another way.
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  Speaker 4: Yo. Yo, yo, it's your girl Jessica as Smith and
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  Speaker 4: you have entered the safe space where we hold own
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  Speaker 4: you messed me up. I did that. We create safe
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  Speaker 4: y'all we were having fun all day. We have We've
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  Speaker 4: had We've had some amazing sessions and you know it's dope.
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  Speaker 4: What is dope? It's just been me and you. It
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  Speaker 4: has the there have been me and you. And the
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  Speaker 4: reason why you can't see Desiltray right now is because
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  Speaker 4: we did not position the camera the way. But you
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  Speaker 4: can hear her beautiful voice and her song there's a
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  Speaker 4: A does already? Does you know I get cussed out
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  Speaker 4: when I don't sing that song? Really real bad, like
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  Speaker 4: the people be like, where is the song going on?
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  Speaker 4: You know, Oh my, we took a lot of things
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  Speaker 4: you said, but that song placement, it had to stay.
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  Speaker 4: It had to stay because the people like it. And
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  Speaker 4: we've been getting to the point fairly quickly. You guys,
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  Speaker 4: we are in for a treat today. There are multiple
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  Speaker 4: there are multiple ways this conversation can go lest so
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  Speaker 4: fair warning one and number one is that this conversation
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  Speaker 4: might get slippery because the oil has come into the room.
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  Speaker 4: That's the way. I'm super excited about our guests today
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  Speaker 4: me to like, do's what you say when you first saw, Oh,
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  Speaker 4: she's beautiful. You know what's interesting? People be out here
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  Speaker 4: with beautiful, beautiful faces and nasty spirits, but not her,
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  Speaker 4: not her. I think she's too mature for that also.
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  Speaker 4: But I think that the oil and the maturity and
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  Speaker 4: the awareness and the intellect that we're gonna get today
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  Speaker 4: is it's so it's so needed. What's her name? Alish?
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  Speaker 4: She was posted something the other day and she was
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  Speaker 4: talking about how she wants older people to tell their
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  Speaker 4: story right like more mature people, the mature saints, as
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  Speaker 4: she would call it, to tell their story because us
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  Speaker 4: young folks need it right. We need to know what
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  Speaker 4: and what not to do. Please please prepare me on
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  Speaker 4: the mistakes that you'd have made so I don't make them.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not even trying to do that, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying. So I'm really super excited to be able
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  Speaker 4: to have a conversation with the brilliant, the wonderful, the
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  Speaker 4: expert in the career field. When you try and when
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  Speaker 4: you try to make decisions as a leader and building
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  Speaker 4: your residence stuff. This is this lady is bad. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: she knows what she she knows what she's doing outside. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: She's gonna get you together. And when she gets on
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  Speaker 4: the screen, you're gonna know why. I want to introduce
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  Speaker 4: to some and present to others my play mama, Miss.
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  Speaker 5: Janie cole Man, Hey, Miss Jennis.
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  Speaker 4: How are you?
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  Speaker 2: I am amazing? How are you doing today?
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  Speaker 4: Good? Good? Thank you so much for being willing to
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  Speaker 4: come on a podcast.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, it's my pleasure, it's my honor to be here
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  Speaker 6: with you.
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  Speaker 4: Are you excited, how you nervous? How you feeling?
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  Speaker 6: I'm really excited because you know, as dispensation, dispensations change
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  Speaker 6: that I mean for certain voices become more prevalent. Believe
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  Speaker 6: that the dispensation for your voices here, and I believe
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  Speaker 6: that what we're gonna share with each other and with
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  Speaker 6: your audience is timely for this season. So it is
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  Speaker 6: this time for us together.
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  Speaker 4: It is time for us together. So I one of
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  Speaker 4: the first questions I wanted to ask you, Miss Jannis,
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  Speaker 4: because how that'll be just give you a quick backstory
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  Speaker 4: how I met Jane's. For one fun fact, Nella Coleman
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  Speaker 4: is the it is the daughter of Janice, my one
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  Speaker 4: of my good friends that y'all see and hear about
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  Speaker 4: all the time. This is this is her mother. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: So I met both of them in the morning meetup
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  Speaker 4: shout out to David Shan's and we just she just
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  Speaker 4: you know how folks just gravitate to youse. You just like,
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  Speaker 4: oh my gosh, they well put together. Just you just
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  Speaker 4: are amazed at their light. That's what Miss Janis is
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  Speaker 4: for me. And so I'm really super excited about this conversation.
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  Speaker 4: But the first question I was gonna ask you is
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  Speaker 4: something that you do on the morning meet up? What
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  Speaker 4: is the word for the day? And you just said dispensation.
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  Speaker 4: So you got to explain to the people that don't.
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  Speaker 4: They're not its eloquent as you are. What does dispensation.
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  Speaker 6: Dispensation is a time frame, that is for a designated thing,
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  Speaker 6: a time frame for a designated thing. So for those
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  Speaker 6: of us, for those in your audience who understand Bible,
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  Speaker 6: you know that there was a dispensation for the profits,
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  Speaker 6: the sensation for Christ, right, the law, the profit and
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  Speaker 6: Christ and now the Holy Spirit. And each dispensation has
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  Speaker 6: characteristics and there are certain things that are going to
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  Speaker 6: happen within those dispensations. And so for each of us
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  Speaker 6: who are living life, you know, you have your younger years,
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  Speaker 6: your the middle the middle ground, right, and as you
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  Speaker 6: call them the seasoned saints, Yeah, they're the dispensation. And
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  Speaker 6: certain things happen in those dispensations. And if we work
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  Speaker 6: alongside of them, then we will get the benefit of them.
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  Speaker 6: If we don't work along with them, then we will
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  Speaker 6: be punished by them.
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  Speaker 4: Ooh, that's so good. So where do you see what
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  Speaker 4: do you see a lot of people fall in that
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  Speaker 4: to the failure of their dispensation.
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  Speaker 6: Well, there's a gentleman in the area where I live,
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  Speaker 6: and he's he's the pastor of Enon Tabernacle Church, and
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  Speaker 6: he said this, if you learn nothing in your teens,
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  Speaker 6: then you will know nothing in your twenties. You will
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  Speaker 6: do nothing in your thirties, and you will have nothing
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  Speaker 6: in your forties. And then when I heard that, I
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  Speaker 6: added to that, and you will be nothing in your fifties.
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  Speaker 6: And so each of so this pensation, you can see
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  Speaker 6: that if I'm in the learning, the real learning stage
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  Speaker 6: from one from agees zero to about twenty two, the
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  Speaker 6: real learning of how to learn, because we really know
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  Speaker 6: nothing at twenty two, but that time to learn how
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  Speaker 6: to learn.
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  Speaker 2: If I don't do that, then when.
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  Speaker 6: I move into the twenties when I should be able
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  Speaker 6: to do, when I should know and be able to do,
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  Speaker 6: I won't be able to do because I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: And so go ahead, no, no, go ahead, keep keep cooking.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: So I think that because in that the time when
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  Speaker 6: we should be learning, we're really not learning the things
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  Speaker 6: we need to know, especially in the newer, the more
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  Speaker 6: recent contemporary generations. And I'm not talking necessarily about Z
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  Speaker 6: or A, but just the time that we're in theeration
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  Speaker 6: that we're in, right, we're not learning the things we
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  Speaker 6: need to know that are requisite to set us up
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  Speaker 6: to really be able to do what we need to
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  Speaker 6: do to start to build a life.
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  Speaker 2: So we don't really we.
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  Speaker 6: Don't really start building until we're now in our forties
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  Speaker 6: and fifties because we really didn't learn the foundation of
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  Speaker 6: what we should have learned in order to put us
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  Speaker 6: put set us up for the successes that we should
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  Speaker 6: be having earlier.
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  Speaker 2: In our life.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm so glad that you're there, because you're in
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  Speaker 4: the You are in the proper veime is Jane's when
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  Speaker 4: I tell you know God? You know God for real.
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  Speaker 4: So the the idea of that thinking about the audience
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  Speaker 4: that we serve, right, that are that are attracted to,
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  Speaker 4: just as the podcast that's that this is a woman
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  Speaker 4: in age range between twenty five and forty five, right,
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  Speaker 4: And like you just said, those different dispensations require different
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  Speaker 4: learning aspects. And so if I'm a twenty five thirty
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  Speaker 4: year old woman, what it is so much to learn?
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  Speaker 4: Like this world is so full of knowledge and I'm
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  Speaker 4: already I don't Hallelujah, thank you Jesus. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: my purpose, I don't know who I am. I'm confused
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  Speaker 4: about what and you're telling me to build off something
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  Speaker 4: I learned. I don't even understand this, don't I don't
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  Speaker 4: understand this. So can you speak to that version of
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  Speaker 4: that what we call the avatar, the person that's saying, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: you're telling me to be in a proper dismensation, be
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  Speaker 4: in a proper time, learn what I need to learn
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  Speaker 4: so I won't be a deadbeat in my fifties. How
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  Speaker 4: where do I start? I don't even understand.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Lord Jesus, that's too funny. So I'll share with
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  Speaker 2: you this. When I was, when I was in my.
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  Speaker 6: Latter teams, my nineteen and into my twenties, I was
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  Speaker 6: in college and I should have been in school schooling,
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  Speaker 6: but I was in school playing. And so when I moved.
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  Speaker 6: When I got to my early twenties, by that time,
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  Speaker 6: I had had my first son. I married, but I
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  Speaker 6: had my first son, and I went to a very
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  Speaker 6: good public school in the city of Philadelphia, Philadelphia High
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  Speaker 6: School for Girls, absolutely the best high school in the world,
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  Speaker 6: toe to toe and with any school ever. And so
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  Speaker 6: I knew how to learn, and I knew a little
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  Speaker 6: something something. Yet when I got to school, I didn't
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  Speaker 6: have the structure to understand how to buckle down without
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  Speaker 6: having the guidance of teachers and parents around me. So
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  Speaker 6: I was a professional at playing around. I went to
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  Speaker 6: class when I felt like it, but I was not
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  Speaker 6: going to miss the party, okay, right, And you know,
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  Speaker 6: I felt like the party didn't start until I got there,
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  Speaker 6: and then the party was over when I left, So
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  Speaker 6: just take your stuff and go home.
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  Speaker 2: But because it's over.
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  Speaker 6: But then when I left school with one son in
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  Speaker 6: hand and I became the single parent, I had a good,
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  Speaker 6: a stable family structure around me. I ended up having
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  Speaker 6: to work a full time job take care of my son,
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  Speaker 6: and then ultimately a little while later working for a
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  Speaker 6: full time job going to school at night taking care
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  Speaker 6: of my son. I then had to pay in a
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  Speaker 6: different season what I could have gotten nearly for free
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  Speaker 6: in the previous one. And so when we are in
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  Speaker 6: the wrong season, it usually costs more.
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  Speaker 2: Right when you get strawberries out of season, my oh my,
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  Speaker 2: they cost more.
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  Speaker 6: Because of all of what has to go into that
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  Speaker 6: season to make something out of season edible.
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  Speaker 5: Jesus wow.
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  Speaker 6: So so when we're out of season, which I was,
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  Speaker 6: when we're out of season, we have to do the
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  Speaker 6: things we have to do. We have to pay more. See,
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  Speaker 6: when we pay more, we pay more attention. So I
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  Speaker 6: paid more by virtue of time and energy to catch
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  Speaker 6: up with myself.
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  Speaker 4: Miss so good. Oh my gosh, the idea of okay,
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  Speaker 4: you say you said so much in that in that
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  Speaker 4: one se segment that I want to unpack. First of all,
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  Speaker 4: the level of transparency that is needed. That like I'm
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  Speaker 4: saying from from people that have walked through this life, right,
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  Speaker 4: we see people of your statue, right, we see the
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  Speaker 4: put together version of you, but knowing what we believe
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  Speaker 4: here is that we overcome by the blood of the
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  Speaker 4: lamb and the word of the testimony. Right, And so
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  Speaker 4: being in in in the the atmosphere that you are
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  Speaker 4: being this this expert in career development, helping people get
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  Speaker 4: laying these opportunities, talking to these c C suite executives
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  Speaker 4: and helping them with their leadership, Like you had to
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  Speaker 4: go through that in order to be impactful for where
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  Speaker 4: you for where you are now. But what you said
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  Speaker 4: about paying more to be able to catch up with yourself,
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  Speaker 4: it is one of the most powerful things I've heard.
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  Speaker 4: Because I don't know if you notice or not, but
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  Speaker 4: the season that we're in Miss Janice with just as is.
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  Speaker 4: The Lord has given us a demand for build or
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  Speaker 4: build right, And so we have a mixture of women,
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  Speaker 4: women that are singing with no kids, when they are
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  Speaker 4: single with kids, women that are married with kids, memen
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  Speaker 4: that are doing extremely well, women that are in the
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  Speaker 4: foundational stages of their success. Like, we have a stretch
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  Speaker 4: of women. But the one thing that we can understand
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  Speaker 4: is paying more for something when we could have had
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  Speaker 4: it at a low cost right and not having to
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  Speaker 4: think about that. So what motivated you to not just
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  Speaker 4: remain stagnant with like, Okay, I made this decision, I
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  Speaker 4: had this child, but I'm going back to school. What
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  Speaker 4: was what was the time frame between that and what
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  Speaker 4: was your motivation to go back to school? Because you
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  Speaker 4: do have your degree, yes I do, So what was
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  Speaker 4: your motivation and that that time span? What did that
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  Speaker 4: look like?
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  Speaker 6: It's interesting because, as I mentioned earlier, I went to
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  Speaker 6: a very good high school. It was an all girls school,
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  Speaker 6: Philadelpia High School for girls that you probably can tell, right,
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  Speaker 6: and it's a high more a higher caliber of girl,
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  Speaker 6: very intellectual.
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  Speaker 2: Most of most of the young women that.
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  Speaker 6: I graduated with with from high school are attorneys and doctors,
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  Speaker 6: and maybe two percent of our class graduated and went
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  Speaker 6: to the military, but everybody else went to college. And
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  Speaker 6: so we had we had what we call the intangible
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  Speaker 6: spirit of the Philadelpha High School for Girls, which means
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  Speaker 6: that basically, we know that anything we put our hand
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  Speaker 6: to do.
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  Speaker 2: We can do it.
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  Speaker 6: And then on top of that foundation, for the first
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  Speaker 6: four you know, the four years I got saved right.
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  Speaker 2: After I had my son, hmm. So that those two elements.
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  Speaker 6: Challenged who I was to become who I have been
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  Speaker 6: intended to be.
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  Speaker 4: So when you say you got when you got saved,
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  Speaker 4: because man, you you're you're you're taking us down a
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  Speaker 4: story that's very important, Miss Jennings. When you say you got,
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  Speaker 4: say it took the the tradition and the passion from
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  Speaker 4: your high school and now you have this, this son
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  Speaker 4: that you have been made responsible for, that brought you
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  Speaker 4: into the sanctification of God. What was the what is that?
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  Speaker 4: Can you please describe that moment? Because some people we
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  Speaker 4: think about the word getting saved, and I think you
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  Speaker 4: can describe that too, Like what is being say that's
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  Speaker 4: when I got saved? What does that even mean? Like
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  Speaker 4: we can't. We can't assume with people know that, But
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  Speaker 4: also like where were you in that moment? Like where
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  Speaker 4: were you mentally? Where were you financially? Like what does
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  Speaker 4: that unsaved version to save version of Janus look like?
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  Speaker 6: So I lived brought, I was born and raised in
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  Speaker 6: inner city Philadelphia, in North Philly which is now called
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  Speaker 6: the bad Lands. You know, so every other house is
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  Speaker 6: not there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, we were.
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  Speaker 6: The working poor, but we were people who were honorable.
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  Speaker 6: We were people who took care of those things that
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  Speaker 6: we had, but we were working poor.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And so when I went to school the first time,
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  Speaker 6: when I went to school the first time, and I
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  Speaker 6: was a party animal and came home with my son,
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  Speaker 6: I came home with I went to school with a
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  Speaker 6: suitcase and a trunk, and I came home in a
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  Speaker 6: U hall.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how that happened.
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  Speaker 6: And when I came home, I was just coming from
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  Speaker 6: a internship, an internship with Westinghouse, and I was in
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  Speaker 6: computer science. So I had a computer science internship in
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  Speaker 6: Westinghouse near Pittsburgh, and I was getting paid as an
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  Speaker 6: eighteen year old, nineteen year old intern four or five
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  Speaker 6: hundred dollars a week in the eighties, which is unheard of. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: and I came home with all of my stuff in
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  Speaker 6: tow and pregnant, and of course everybody who used to
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  Speaker 6: tease me. We can't even talk about the teasing that
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  Speaker 6: I endured while I was going to school.
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  Speaker 2: In high school.
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  Speaker 6: Because I was out of pocket. Everybody went to the
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  Speaker 6: feeder school, and the Lord, as he only can do,
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  Speaker 6: made a way for me to go to this different school.
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  Speaker 6: And most people, my friends that I jump rope with
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  Speaker 6: and skated with up and down the street and played
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  Speaker 6: hopscotch with.
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  Speaker 2: Did not like that. And so when I came home
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  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, because you're.
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  Speaker 6: Early girl, why you home was the question. And when
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  Speaker 6: I told one of my neighbors, she said to me,
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  Speaker 6: will go down to I think it's twenty seventh an
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  Speaker 6: Allegheny and get on welfare on Monday, because they'll give
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  Speaker 6: you a check and they'll give you some money for food.
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  Speaker 6: And see, that was the mindset of the area where
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  Speaker 6: I lived. Go down to welfare and get on welfare
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  Speaker 6: and you'll be fine. And I asked him how much
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  Speaker 6: she gave, and she said somewhere like seventy dollars a week.
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  Speaker 6: Now Here I am coming home having made four hundred,
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  Speaker 6: five hundred dollars a week. You're gonna tell me you're
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  Speaker 6: gonna pay me seventy dollars a week. And there was
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  Speaker 6: something that just triggered and it.
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  Speaker 2: Was like no.
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  Speaker 6: And then she told me there are no jobs out there,
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  Speaker 6: so you need to just get on welfare.
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  Speaker 2: That Monday morning, I.
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  Speaker 6: Put on my one really good suit, got on the
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  Speaker 6: thirty three bus, went downtown, and by Friday I had
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  Speaker 6: a job at a bank, full time job and a
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  Speaker 6: part time job at a at a department store. So
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  Speaker 6: that next Saturday, I knocked on her door and I'm
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  Speaker 6: gonna say her name, and I knocked on her door
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  Speaker 6: and I said, I just want to let you know
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  Speaker 6: that I got my job.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: And your job, Dan don'too. So you a little spicy
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: missus Jenny's you love spicy. A little spicy Jenne said,
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: don't let this keute face fool. Yeah, with this baby cat,
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: I'm going I'm gonna get this money.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, And you know that there was just that something
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: in me that said, although I had wasted that season,
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  Speaker 6: something in me was like, no, this cannot be you.
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  Speaker 2: That's why God.
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  Speaker 6: And that was even before I was born again. I
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: knew God because we all went to church. I knew
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: of God, but I didn't know God. And so something
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: in me was like, you, you didn't go to that
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: high school to come home and be this. And when
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: I came to knock on her door and told her literally,
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: I have your job and mind, that was the transition
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: that put postured me for my born again experience.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: So what I'm hearing you say is that you're born
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: again experience. Your the decision of where I call it
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: the intersection of decision, really showed you not only that
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: you needed God, but it really introduced you to your purpose.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Like when we talk about and so to answer like
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: the question, would you say for someone like twenty five
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: thirty years old that is going through that, would you
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: tell them to pay attention to their current season to
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: suggest the idea of where they're going to the direction
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: they're going to, or would you say pay attention to
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: like what might be the same thing I'm saying, like
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: paying attention to the pain that it's being allowed, not cause,
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: but allowed so that they can be introduced to their purpose.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Because that's what I'm hearing you say, that your paying
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: produced your purpose into being able to help people find
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: these careers to be able to be excellent walking the
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: excellence that God has created them to do right.
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  Speaker 6: Because I believe that you're the things that are causing
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: you the discomfort and the pain are made or priming
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: you to be able to hear now that still small
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: voice is going to guide you. Because once when I
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: came home and I had the two.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Jobs, not one, but two, not one but.
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: Two, so I the one at the banks, I can
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: make the money, and the one at the.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Department stores, I can look good. Right, you all got
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: to look good. That's why I came home. And that
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: that uh, you all right? But uh, there was a
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: young man who was a couple.
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: Of years younger than me who was born again, I
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: mean on fire for God, Baptist preacher Fire Brimston, and
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: he was younger, and so you know, he got abuse
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: from the people around the way too, because who wants
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: to hear this kid talking about you know, Jesus and
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: John the Baptist and y'all should read your Bible and
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: you want to come.
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  Speaker 2: To Bible study.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: But every once in a while he would get in
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: my ear. And then I decided to go back to school.
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: So I went back to the school where I had attended,
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: and I was elected president of my sorority chapter for
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: that year. And I was in school in August, and
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: I was the consummate party animal. The consummate party animal. Okay,
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: I'm already sorority up. Yeah, I'm the continent party animal.
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: I left in August, the party animal, went back home
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: for the school break for the summer, and on my
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: way back for the fall semester, the Lord met me
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  Speaker 6: on Pennsylvania turnpipe, and all of what had been poured
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: into me from my friend came alive.
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  Speaker 2: While I'm by.
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  Speaker 6: Myself driving back because god, you know when that quiet
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: time right, because I'm never person to listen to music,
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: you know, while i'm driving, And so I'm driving back,
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: laid on the turnpike, and the Lord touched my spirit
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  Speaker 6: and I was stone cold born again. When I got
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: out my car, I put my bags in my house.
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: I emptied my apartment.
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  Speaker 2: Of all alcohol.
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: I called my sorrowers the next day to let them
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: know I was born again, and that because my signature
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: was the only one that mattered on campus, I would
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: not be signing for any parties that had anything to
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: do with alcohol.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: And I'm telling you, you went from zero to one
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: hundred real quick.
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, and it's funny just because I went from
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: zero to one hundred, and all my whole chapter hated me,
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: like immediately.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: All ones. But they were mad.
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: They were like, what do you mean we can't have parties?
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: What's going on? And now fast forward forty five years later,
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: all of my sore wars are born again, all of them,
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: and several of them are ordained ministers as well.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: Because you are ordained minister, how long have you been
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: a minister?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I've been teaching a bye all for forty plus years.
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I have been officially ordained since twenty twelve.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: That whole idea, though, miss Jen, is of being ordained,
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: not ordained, because I'm okay, just to be transparent with you,
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: I'm not an ordained minister. And people always inquire me like, oh,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: how long have you been in ministry?
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: Da?
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Da da da? And they asked it like I'm ordained.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: I'm like, well, technically I'm not ordained by manstandard. However,
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: as I walk through this life, you know like I
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: just know what the Lord has called me to do,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: and I'm just gonna do it whether you are damn
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: you or not.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: Like I've been in a church where I'm just like.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Operated in ministry and they you know, they have chosen
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: not to ordain me, and that's cool.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: I'm good with that, Like I'm totally fine.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: So like for people that struggled right there, like how
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: would you minister to that?
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: So when I became born a begain, literally I didn't
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: know what to do except to.
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  Speaker 2: Do what I knew to do, which was to.
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  Speaker 6: Go to a church, which was to go to the
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: local church at school.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: And I became affiliated with that church.
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: And I know now that the Lord had laid a
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: mantle of teaching upon me. So within a year's time,
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: I was teaching.
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  Speaker 2: A Sunday school for children.
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  Speaker 6: Barely born again myself, but I could teach Sunday school
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: for children right And from that time till now, literally
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: I have ministered and or taught from the nursery to
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: the pulpit. And it is not God does not require
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: man's sanction upon who you are unless he does, and
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: if he needs that, he will make that happen. Just
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: like when Moses was getting ready to transition, he had
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: been training Joshua.
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  Speaker 4: That's so good, all.
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: Time, and Joshua was Moses's minister. Joshua was in the
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: tent with Moses as Moses was ministering to the Lord
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: and hearing from the Lord, and sometimes when Moses would leave,
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: the Bible indicates that Joshua would stay. And when it
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: was time for the transition, the dispensations to change from
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: the need for a leader who was a diplomat to
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: the need for a leader who a warrior. God who
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: had ordained Moses transitioned Joshua, and it says that God
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: began to amplify Joshua in the eyes of the people.
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  Speaker 2: That's in the Word.
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  Speaker 6: And then when God took Moses up on the mountain
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: to show him the land, the promised land, and he
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: was never to return, Joshua then was ushered into his
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: role as the leader. And there was not a hiccup
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: with regard to the children of Israel.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: They didn't miss a beat.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: I think something you just said is so important, though,
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: and that's not just it's in both ministry and marketplace.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: And I was just I was just talking to I
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: was talking to one of my best friends last night
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: and I was telling sharing with her that I am
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: the Lord has opened the door for me to be
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: on the worship team again because I haven't done the
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: worship ministry in several years. And so at the end
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: of last year, the Lord opened the door for me
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: to serve on the worship team because there was a gap, right,
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: there was a gap that I was feeling and stuff
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: like that. But I have been serving as the media
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: director for a while. So I told her, I said, listen,
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: I'm looking for my successor. I'm actively looking for the
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: person that the Lord says, hey, this is going to you.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: Because I just know that the media director is not
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: the final destination of servitude for my church. I know
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: that I'm comfortable with that thought, but I also know
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: that there's a legacy for me to leave in that department,
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: meaning that there's an assignment that I have that I
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: have to make sure that I fulfill before I succeed.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Give this to my successor. They shouldn't have to do
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: with it. And so I think there are leaders how
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: can I see this? There are legals, not not legals,
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: leaders that struggle in the marketplace, but also especially in
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: the ministry of the process of the successor. So if
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: you had language to give to that type of leader,
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: whether they're in the marketplace or leading in ministry or both,
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: it could be the same process. What does that look like?
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: How do I properly position the success for success as
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: a leader?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: So one of the things, one of the ministries that
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: I had the opportunity to be a part of was
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: our toddler and nursery ministry. Now, I always jokingly said,
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: I only have grace and then for three and.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody else's child to get pinned up with the wall.
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: But when, but when God, when God puts a mantle
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  Speaker 6: on you, he does it.
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  Speaker 2: He does it full circle. Okay.
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: So this story is about when my youngest son was
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: a he.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Was still in nursery nursery age.
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: He was maybe eight or nine months, and every other
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: Sunday our.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Nursery was closed. Now, y'all know.
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  Speaker 6: Moms need nurseries, and moms you know that we just do.
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  Speaker 6: And so every other Sunday I'm pressing my face against
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: the glass looking for.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody taking care of my son.
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  Speaker 6: And so the Lord brought to my mind the the
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: scripture in her Bacca when he said he talked to
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: a back of or her back of was complaining saying,
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: you know, Lord, where all of this? The children of Israel,
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: we are the chosen people. Why are we going through this?
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: And he was complaining to the Lord, and that's when
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: the Lord's and that's when the Lord he spoke to
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: the Lord and he said, now I'm gonna sit on
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: my watch and wait and here and hear what it
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: is God has to say, and see what I will
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: do when I'm reproved. And the Lord said, write the
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: vision and make it plain. And what I got and
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: this was all why I had my face pressed to
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: the glass looking for somebody. And and the way the
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: Lord showed me this scripture, it was like, if you
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: see the problem, you and you really see the problem,
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: you're the one to fix it.
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  Speaker 4: Come on.
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  Speaker 2: And again I only had grace.
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: For three but I went to the person who was
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: the leader of our children's ministry and I said, this
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: is what I want to do.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I want to.
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: Take the toddler in the nursery ministry and I want
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: to organize it. I want to help the teachers. I
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: want to help to build the volunteers. I want to
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: give moms a space, families a space to bring their
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: children from ages from you know, nursery to four and
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: I will be the point person, and I will be
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: fully responsible for the setting up the organization, making sure
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: it's attended and everything necessary. I don't want a title.
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: I don't want to have to come to leadership meetings
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: and all that stuff. I'm not trying to be that.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: I'm just trying to put this together. And for four
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: years I was responsible for that, and I galvanized every
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: family that had toddlers and nursery children. We had it
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: fully staffed, we had teachers, We did not have one
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: down day.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: It was organized.
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: Curriculums, you know, snack times and you know, what do
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: we do?
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: What do they call it? When you do the little
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: what do they call it? You make the make the
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: little things? What do you call it? I can't think
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: of arsen grafts, arts.
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: And crafts, the whole nine yard, y'all see how far
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: away from that I am now.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Kind of sight, out of mind.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: So arts and crafts, snacks, the whole nine yards. And
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: I did that for four years as the leader, and
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: everybody who had a child in there had to commit
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: one adult to be a part of the volunteer staff.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: And I don't care where you sit in the church,
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: MM hmmm, period a period. If you have a child
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: up in here, unteer, you volunteering, or you or the
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: child gotta go with you. And so, but those that
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: are struggling with their nursery ministry, go ahead and go
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: ahead and take this idea, because I agree because some
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: of these folks just be wanting to break and they
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: don't want to serve.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: Uh And I get I get wanting to break.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: But you you at least need to know what's going
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: on with the ministry you sending your child to.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: You do and this is this is this is a
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: body ministry.
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: We are the body of Christ. And so we come
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: in not everybody, just like with tithes and offerings, God
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: doesn't everybody to give the same amount, but he asked
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: everybody to give the same sacrifice, which is ten percent
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: my God.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Okay, yep.
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: So everybody had somebody in there. And it's interesting because
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: I didn't even tell this story till my son until
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: he was nineteen that he and he actually served in
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: the nursery room from age fourteen until he graduated from
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: high school and he didn't even know it. And let
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: me say this, when I left that four years, I
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: had identified somebody who had been serving with me. This
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: is your question. They had been serving with me, and
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: I asked them privately if they could see their way
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: to be able to do this. The ministry was organized,
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: it was funded, it was well developed. Everything that they
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: needed was right there. They knew, they knew how to
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: do everything, and so I asked them first if they
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: would be open to doing it, and when they said yes,
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: then that was my transition. And then I talked to
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: the person who was the leader of the overall ministry
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: and she find with it because I left her in good.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: I left it in order.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: Miss Jannis, please stop, just wait, just wait one minute. Okay, So, Desiree,
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: you remember that I told you I had like a
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: plan in my head and what I thought or whatever
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: as far as the builder and the Holy Spirit just
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: told me in this moment, why Miss Jannis was here.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Come on, I didn't know this about Miss Jannis before
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: she just shared this. And the thing about it, Miss Jennis,
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: is what you don't know is that Desi Rae and
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: I are in the current season for both of our
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: churches separately. She is building structure in her media team.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: I'm building structure with mine. And let me just have
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: a transparent moment with you. I've had moments of just
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: some just very understandable frustration in this building process as
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: a servant, and I understand the the the responsibility, and
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: the honor. It's such an honor to serve. It really is.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: It's also a unique space, especially when you're It's the
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: difference when you're serving something that's already structured. It's a
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: whole nother ballgame when you're serving and building what to
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: serve at the same time. How did you keep your
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: mind in tech? Like? What what did you do? Like
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: how did you manage your frustrations? What was your communication
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: with your leadership? Like outside of like, hey, this is
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: what I'm gonna do this when I'm not gonna do
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: X y Z. Because you did it for four years
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: before you released it. That's not a short time.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: No, That's why you know it was God. Why you
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: know it was God?
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: Because now, I mean, I love the fact that now
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: I look at those that I served and I'm talking
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: about the children. Yeah, I look at those that I
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: served who are now graduating from high school, graduating from college,
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: towering over my head when I pampered their butts. Okay,
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: they are now towering over my head, and I love
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: I loved that for them and for me because I'm
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: taking pictures with people, you know that were like little
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: baby people. And one young lady in particular, her name
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: is Aliah. She was the most feisty thing ever. She's
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: the same age as my son, he's now twenty. They
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: are both twenty six. And she came in fighting like
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: she's not even to my knee, walking up, hitting me
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: every morning, and you know, toying with me.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, she wasn't doing it maliciously. You know, kids
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: can't be vicious.
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: She was just feisty.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: And she would come in every every Sunday morning that
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: she was there. And I was there because I didn't
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: serve every day. Every Sunday I was on. I was scheduled.
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: I would check in, but I was on the schedule
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: just like everybody else. I had that many volunteers that
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: no one person had to had to be in there
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: more than once every six weeks. That's how many volunteers
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: I had. That's good, going from not seeing anybody a
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: dark room and me pressing my face.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Through the glass.
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, to have of adults and youth, people who had children,
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: and people who did not have children.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Who were part of the nursery room.
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  Speaker 6: I found people who had a heart for children who
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  Speaker 6: may not whose children may have grown up.
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  Speaker 2: All of that, but let's get back to Aliyah.
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  Speaker 6: So Aliyah walk up to me and you know, give
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  Speaker 6: me a push.
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  Speaker 2: Or whatever and grab my leg and we'll be like
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
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  Speaker 6: And now she is a grown woman.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Oh wait, when she graduated.
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  Speaker 6: So we used to have their with their birthday date
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: on their on the sign because some people try to
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: leave their kids in there longer, so that we knew
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: when they were four. So for their birthday there girl.
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: The day she graduated, I call her graduated.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: And her mother picked her up. I started singing popping
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: circumstance when I hed over, Eliah take her.
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  Speaker 6: But now she is an adult person, and she is
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  Speaker 6: an amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Woman, a woman that you know.
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  Speaker 6: And I just look at that and I say, Lord,
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  Speaker 6: I thank you that he gave me the patience to
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  Speaker 6: be able to do that. And you know, when you
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  Speaker 6: can do something that is not of your nature, you
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  Speaker 6: know that it's.
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  Speaker 2: A mantle of God.
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  Speaker 6: And when God, God places a mantle, God has the
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: right and the authority to lift it. And when he
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: lifts it.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: We better move, We better move, We better move, we
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: better move. I think you're walking through a journey. You're
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: walking through a journey, and I want to back us
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: up just a little bit just to kind of see
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: the consistent theme of this journey. And I deem it
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  Speaker 4: as purpose driven obedience. And that's what I'm seeing the
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: consistency of, no matter the intake or the outcome, it
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: was always a purpose driven obedience that came out of
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: you in this journey. And so it's like, Okay, I
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: go to this high school. I do well with this
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: high school. I'm intentional. I have all this knowledge and
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: this wellness about me. I go to college, I play
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: around a little bit, and I get pregnant, and I
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: come back, but I still didn't give up on myself.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: I still was I knew there was something greater and
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: beyond me. And so now I go from from from
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: not just being a college student, but a single woman,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: and then I go with a child, and so now
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: I go to Now I go to back to school,
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: and I have the encounter with God so much so
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: that everybody had to be on the accord that I was,
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: that I was on, and so in that journey, you
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: made some adjustment. That's purpose driven obedience. So then I
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: go from graduating and now I'm in the midst of
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: this and I'm serving or going to church and I'm
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: learning about God. But I'm frustrated because I need some
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: time for me. I need some time for me, and
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: my righteous frustration led to a solution. Purpose driven obedience.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: It led to a solution to something greater than who
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: I am. Right, it was bigger than me and even
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: and I think an important thing to master, especially for
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: women that have gone through the same system as being
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: a mother before marriage. Right, the society tries to condemn
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: those type of women, acting like they laid down by themselves.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: But that's a there's a whole nother tangent for another day.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: That's there's another the other tank for another day. Okay,
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: I would go slap off, but.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Right there, let me put a pend on that.
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  Speaker 6: My pastor would say this. There are no illegitimate children
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: because they came here the way they're supposed to. The
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: illegitimate ones are the parents. Yeah, because they didn't have
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: license to produce.
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: Come on, come on, and and and the thing the
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: thing with that is you did not allow that to
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: stop you that actually enhanced and gave you, gave you
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: answers to to be the solution for other people that
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: were not being able to strong enough to be the
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: solution for themselves. And I think purpose driven obedience always
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: lands you in the place where you're supposed to be.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: And that's all I'm hearing. That's what I continue to
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: hear you say, even in the matter of you building
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: a ministry within the ministry, because the pastor can only
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: do so much, right, the pastor is the overall vision
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: or whatever, But we that serve have to be willing
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: enough to say, you know what, let me put structure
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: to this part of the ministry. Let me put structure
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: to this part of the ministry. And and and what
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: we use what we utilize in the marketplace, right, because
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: I can only imagine those tools and the way you
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: knew how to structure in the ministry. Those are tools
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: that you use in the marketplace. And am I am
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: I correct in thinking that.
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: Absolutely that and that that is the thing that if
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: we pay attention to how the Body of Christ has
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: been structured. The Word says that the fivefold ministry, the apostle,
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: the prophet, the pastor, the teacher and the evangelists are
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: the ministry. So what what is in us? God gives
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: us the fivefold or the hand of God, which says,
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: you know, submit yourself unto the hand of God.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Under the hand of God.
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: He gives us those to help us to cultivate, nurture,
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: and develop the gifts and the callings that are within us,
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: so that we can go out into now the church,
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: the church in and of itself, the gathering and the people,
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: that is ministry. Yet I think the broader ministry is
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: the world, the marketplace. So I'm supposed to come into
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: the church. Maybe I'm a you know, maybe I'm a
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: little feistier than most, and maybe i'm this, that and
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: the other thing. And I'm supposed to come into the
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: church and learn how to love. I'm supposed to come
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: to church and learn how to listen. I'm supposed to
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: come in church and learn how to be in order.
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: I'm supposed to come into church and learn how to
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: be giving and generous. And the Bible teaches us how
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: to do some corrections to you know, I'm supposed to
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: learn to do those things. But in a way that
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: maintains relationship.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: That's so good, and that.
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: I take out into the world so that the world
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: might know who Christ is by having engaged me. And
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: now they want to know, how do I learned that?
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Where'd you learn that from? Because you sure didn't get
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: that from universities.
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: You sure didn't get that from the hood. So how
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: do we how do we learn it? We learn it
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: in the context of the church. Now, church in and
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: of itself, because it's they're imperfect people. Church is going
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: to be imperfect.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but we learn.
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: Helps us to overcome that and helps us to be
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: the kind for the citizens of this world because we're
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: from two different nations, two different kingdoms. Yeah, and we're
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: here to approselytize, convert.
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: You already all know what the word be, I know.
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: To convert those who are of the world to come
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: into our kingdom because we're citizens. Just we're soldiers and
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: where this and where that, But we are more than
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: anything else. We are citizens of the Kingdom of God.
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: And if there's a kingdom, then there's a king And
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: if there's a kingdom, then there are rules.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: And if they are a.
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: Kingdom, if there's a Kingdom, then they are citizens, and
• 51:50
  Speaker 6: if there are citizens, then we have rights.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: I think we've need a collection, please, I missus Jane's
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: there's no way possible that we can just make this
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: a one episode situation. So we I'm already saying, like,
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: you gotta come back because there's there's so much too
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: unpacked even in just this conversation. This is so this
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: is just just to let y'all know, this is just
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: missus Janie's introduction is just eggs. That's just the intro.
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: It's just the intro because she family. But I does
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: a rays over here, Mama Jane's she she's over here.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: Her face I wish you could see it because she
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: is just like so amazed you've been dropping Gems. Doesn't
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: wray you want to talk to her for a second. Yeah,
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: this was so good, Miss Jennie, thank you so much
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: for coming on. Like just said, this is just your introduction,
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: because we definitely got to I know this is on.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: We only just like tap this the piece of the
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: surface of us something right. But one thing that you
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: said that that I've just been chewing on is how
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: typically the burden that the Lord puts in your heart
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: right and we may just think it's like, dang, why
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: they always why ain't nobody ever here? Or why they
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: always doing something like this, or and it's something that
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: keeps burning. It's a righteous frustration that keeps burning in
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: your spirit, and you don't know, you just think you
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: just get annoy it because they're not doing the things
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: that they're supposed to do. But the truth is, like
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: the burden is because you're supposed to be the one,
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: uh to handle that solution right he's given He's literally
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: putting the solution inside of you, and you have to
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: come into alignment with the word of the Lord in
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: order to be able to begin to walk that thing
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: out right. And so I love that because if if, if, if,
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: if we recognize that thing, then I think that a
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: lot of the frustration is not gonna necessarily go away,
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: but it won't be as frustrating as in like am
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: I crazy? Because the truth is, like some people have
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: burdens for things that other people don't. Right, So like
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: a case in point, like prison ministry, right, prison ministry
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: is a beautiful ministry. People are literally like have mentals
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: to go in and to reform and to love on
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: right those those people, right, I have a heart for them,
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: but I don't necessarily see myself going into the prison ministry. Yeah,
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, that's not my that's not
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: I know, that's not what the Lord has called me to, right,
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: But where the Lord has called me to, I have
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: a responsibility to step into that alignment of what he's
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: called me to do and and do that even if
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: I don't understand what that looks like. But the agreement
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: in the alignment gives the Lord permit the permission to
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: now be like, Okay, let's go. And so when you
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: said that, I think it just helped me to just
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: give proper language to like some of the spaces that
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: I've been in, Like I'm like, dang, just like do you, like,
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: do you have this kind of problem with podcasting? Like
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: like I'm asking Jessica questions because I'm like, dang, I
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: see her doing a thing, but she's I also see
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: a need there and it's a burden. Like if it
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: wasn't a burden or something on my heart, I wouldn't
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: have never asked, Like the Lord put that there for
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: me to ask her, for us the partner together for
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: a bigger vision than what I we could even ever imagine.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: So that was so good when you said that, and
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: so I love to I'm visually watching the process of
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: you building out this children's ministry within this ministry because
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: there was a burden that you were facing.
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Right, And to that point, Desiree, twenty six years later,
• 55:43
  Speaker 6: Well that ministry is still thriving.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: Wow, because you said yes, yes, because because you laid
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: a foundation, Miss Janet, come on the foundation. This is Lord,
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: Thank you Lord. Because sometimes we be like, Lord, am
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: I hearing you? I was like, what does this have
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: to do with the season that we're in? Lord? This
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: has I want to be very intentional about the building.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: I want to be very attention about the building. You
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: just said. You just basically took us through the laying
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: of the foundation, like what it looks like to lay
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: a foundation in your building process. And the thing is,
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: the Lord has taken you to greater heights because of
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: your your little yes to a children's ministry. Thank you Lord.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: Because of your yes to a children's ministry. And you
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: remained there for four years. You did not you didn't
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: go before you you didn't leave before you were told,
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: but you left when you when it was time you
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: didn't hold on to aspect four years out of the
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: how many years it's been you you did what your
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: part was to do and you released it. And I
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: think there's a lot of times we get frustrated as
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: builders because we on to get the foundation a part
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: of we only put on up the windows or we
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: put it on the roof, like, but you did your part.
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And so I ran, I was a part of
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: that ministry while I taught concurrently adults because I always said,
• 57:16
  Speaker 6: you know, my ministry is to adults. But God had
• 57:19
  Speaker 6: me allowed me to bring that portion of what I
• 57:24
  Speaker 6: needed to do with the children's ministry to pass while
• 57:29
  Speaker 6: I concurrently continue to teach adults inside the Contact Church.
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: So that's why I like to say that my ministry
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: has gone from the cradle the cradle literally to the pulpit,
• 57:43
  Speaker 6: because some of the people that I taught when they
• 57:45
  Speaker 6: were young in the ministry are now ordained. So and
• 57:51
  Speaker 6: I was sitting in what we call the box. You know,
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: there's a place where everybody says, before you go and
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: serve on the you know, doing whatever you're doing, announcements
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: or communion. And so we're sitting in the box and
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: a gentleman. One of the ministers was sitting next to
• 58:06
  Speaker 6: me and he said, you know what I found this morning?
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: And I was like, no.
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: He said, I was looking for something in some of
• 58:15
  Speaker 6: my papers, and I found a certificate for the for
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: the Basic Bible Doctrine class that you taught in nineteen
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: ninety with your signature on it for the because I
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: completed the course. And he said, from that course he
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: was so led to go back to school, finish his bachelor's.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Get an MDiv.
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: And now he is serving in ministry as one of
• 58:49
  Speaker 6: the ministers who on boards new converts in our church.
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: From nineteen ninety, I would say, Bron.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: You had to tell me that. You don't have to
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: say exact.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you how young you are missing it.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say nineteen ninety, like.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: Seriously, but that's impact though, Yes, that's impact.
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: You asked a question Jess that I that really resonated,
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: and I want to share this because I know we
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: need we need to move forward. But I want to
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: share this because you said, how did I structure it?
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: How did I get through the frustrations and all those things?
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I recall when you said it. As soon as
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: you said it.
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: What came to my mind was the story of Nehemiah
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: and how when God gave him the burden, God gave
• 59:38
  Speaker 6: him the provision. God gave him the preparation. God gave
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: him the the you know, steps to take, and Niamayah
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: was on the down low with everything until it was
• 59:51
  Speaker 6: ready to go. He came in town. He didn't say
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: anything anybody. He was like, I'm not even here, you know.
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: He walked around, he he surveyed the land. He looked
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 6: at everything that needed to be done. He knew exactly
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 6: how much he needed to he needed as far as
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: building and all of that was concerned. He knew who
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 6: needed to do what, and when it was time to
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 6: pull the trigger. He didn't make a big announcement, but
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 6: when it's time to pull the trigger. He got that
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 6: project done in fifty one days. And anytime he had
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: a frustration, he went to the Lord with it because
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 6: he couldn't take that frustration to the people, because he
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 6: didn't want to break the people's spirit, because they were
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: already in a situation of building hammering one hand and
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: of sporting another.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: So they were all in a situation.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: So that's the thing, you know, looking at what God
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: wants us to do, asking God for the plan and
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: giving us the wisdom to carry it out and deal
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: and engage him, Complain up and not down, complain and
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 6: not down, so that we can keep the momentum, keep
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: the spirits up, keep the keep the encouragement, and keep
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: the you know, attitude and where it needs to be
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: so that we can finish whatever the project is that
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: God would.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Have us to do.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: Deesi, Ray, do you think that was the final word?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: I really feel like normally I would say, Hey, if
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: they didn't hear anything you said, would you just know
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: you really just you just really sommed all of this up.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: It's so good, like in the the most Janice Coleman
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: way you could have done. Okoy, to know Miss Janice
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: is to absolutely love her, embrace her and just sit.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: It's almost like being able to allow the oil to
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: be poured. And so Miss Jens, I'm super grateful for
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: your years. I pray that you would come back. Does
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: A ray Can she come back? She can come back?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: I think I think you have an open door to
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: just as the podcast, baby, we don't open this door
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: to everybody. We won't be saying it. We won't be
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: saying that. We won't be saying we're gonna be lying
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: the folks because everybody can't come back. Everybody can't come back.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: But no, Miss Jennis, thank you so much. We appreciate you, y'all.
• 1:02:17
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• 1:02:19
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• 1:02:24
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• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: knows all about that. But this episode I feel like
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: exposed why she's trustworthy, right, She is so trustworthy. The
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: Lord trusts her heart, the Lord trusts her hand, the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: Lord trustes her insight. And so I'm super excited for
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: y'all to get to know more about Janis Coleman, because baby,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: she gaves she just this was only a taste in see.
• 1:02:51
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• 1:02:54
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  Speaker 4: until next week. Until next time, remember you could be
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  Speaker 4: much more simple if you just ask thank you for
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  Speaker 4: tuning in to this week's episode.
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  Speaker 1: Since you've made it this far, you might as well
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  Speaker 2: At the Jessica S.
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  Speaker 1: Smith, I know I won't see you back until next week.
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  Speaker 1: But until then, remember to love always yourself and always thank.
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  Speaker 2: Thank God for one another day.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, hey, I know we could be another way. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: pray thank God for another day. Hey Hey, I'm just
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  Speaker 3: thankful another day. Hey Hey, another day? Oh, another day wise,
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  Speaker 3: another day to get it right, another day to rise up,
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  Speaker 3: another day living, another day.
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  Speaker 6: We love ones.
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  Speaker 3: I always remember hold it down for well one ye