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Team USA is moving on! Who's going to be the closer? & breakout picks! · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory.
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Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside Kyle Gibson and Kyle, we have a
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Speaker 1: lot to chop up today, and today we're going to
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Speaker 1: start with the World Baseball Classic and our coverage all
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Speaker 1: is streaming right now, So Kyle, thank you for patiently
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Speaker 1: waiting while we took care of some business. But Team
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Speaker 1: USA has advanced of the quarterfinals. It did not go
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Speaker 1: according to the original script. They kind of had to
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Speaker 1: math their way into it thanks to Italy beating Mexico
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Speaker 1: and scoring enough runs to kick in the tiebreaker in
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Speaker 1: favor of the US and to me, and I want
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Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on this. There's one person to
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Speaker 1: blame and that's Matt Holliday.
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Speaker 2: Your thoughts, Yeah, I mean, yeah, Holiday, I don't know
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Speaker 2: how you I don't know how you go the first
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Speaker 2: five or six as with outscore a run against Italy,
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Speaker 2: you know. I mean, so let's put a square on
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Speaker 2: our guy, Matt Holiday. And just you know, the late
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Speaker 2: surge was great help with run differential. But no, I mean,
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Speaker 2: I think you know this team a little bit if
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Speaker 2: I remember some of these scores and how they've gone.
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Speaker 2: You know, they've started slow, offensively a little bit and
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Speaker 2: then have kind of poured it on later in the game.
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Speaker 2: But you know, I think this obviously it was a
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Speaker 2: little bit of a misstep, right, And it was a
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Speaker 2: little bit of an issue here with thinking that they
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Speaker 2: were in and obviously they weren't.
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Speaker 3: But those things happened.
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Speaker 2: I mean, who wouldn't Who would have thought that it
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Speaker 2: wouldn't have just been a pretty easy tiebreaker rule and
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Speaker 2: you move on, right, But I don't know, it's a
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Speaker 2: I guess that's what makes us a little bit different.
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Speaker 2: It's all in the past now, right. I hear people
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Speaker 2: talk talking about well, it should DeRos even manage next time,
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Speaker 2: come on, guys, like, let's uh, let's just slow down
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Speaker 2: a little bit. And it was one little thing. Everybody
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Speaker 2: makes mistakes, but they're in. They gotta play Canada, looks
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Speaker 2: like and it should be a fun finish to this
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Speaker 2: WBC all right, But.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to give the background on Deroso, so he
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Speaker 1: gave an interview after they've been Mexico, saying, yeah, taking
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Speaker 1: his punched to the quarterfinals, and if you look at
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Speaker 1: the way he managed against Italy, you could see that's
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Speaker 1: the thought process he was operating under. Right, they started
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Speaker 1: Goldie at first against a right hander. They didn't pinch
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Speaker 1: run from it. At some point it kicked in. They're like
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Speaker 1: a run differential, right, It's all you know, DeRosa, who
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Speaker 1: is a really good guy, really good host on MLB
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Speaker 1: network and it was a really good player, good.
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Speaker 4: Guy all around. But he's taken some heat now.
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Speaker 1: But if you're the manager of Team USA, don't you
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Speaker 1: have to take the heat.
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Speaker 3: You take the heat.
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Speaker 2: It's just like any other manager. I mean, he's not
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Speaker 2: going to put it on the players, right, you take
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Speaker 2: the heat. And I think without him, I heard somebody
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Speaker 2: saying the other day that they were mad that he
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Speaker 2: didn't just come out.
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Speaker 3: And say, you know what, I messed up.
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Speaker 2: Well, okay, if we're talking about he said I misspoke,
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Speaker 2: I messed up, what's the difference he admitted that, you know,
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Speaker 2: he said that they closed the spot and they hadn't
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Speaker 2: and and is what it is? You know, Itt, sure
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Speaker 2: you're probably managing that game a little bit different, but
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Speaker 2: that same token, like, you know, Goldie is a really
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Speaker 2: good player. Okay, so you're starting against the rity, but
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Speaker 2: you're trying to get him in there. He's got to
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Speaker 2: get at bats, he's got to get innings too. This
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Speaker 2: is still guys getting ready for a season as well,
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Speaker 2: not just you know, running the same nine guys out there.
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Speaker 3: The whole time and not let everybody else get their bats.
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Speaker 1: Now, I don't know who would want to manage okay
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Speaker 1: it certainly I'm not smart enough to do it. You
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Speaker 1: got to be really smart. And then when it comes
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Speaker 1: to the World Baseball Classic, I mean, it's a lot
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Speaker 1: of time figuring out who we can get, what the
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Speaker 1: team specs are for, how this player can be used.
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Speaker 1: Kind of a thankless job. But some guys were saying, well,
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Speaker 1: what about Barrosa, he's never managing the big leagues. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if that man matters. Don't know if you
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Speaker 1: heard any of that too, But there weren't like guys
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Speaker 1: with big league manager will experience available. They went with DeRosa,
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Speaker 1: No one second guest did beforehand. Does it matter big
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Speaker 1: league experience or anything like that?
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Speaker 3: So no, it does not.
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Speaker 2: Let's just think here, which big league manager can you
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Speaker 2: pull away from their team in the middle of spring
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Speaker 2: training when they've got to reresponsible for setting a roster,
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Speaker 2: when maybe they don't even have a player in the
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Speaker 2: WBC out there and it's just them trying to get
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Speaker 2: their team ready. Which of these thirty managers are we
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Speaker 2: going to pull away? Which of these minor league managers
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Speaker 2: are we going to pull away from what they're trying
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Speaker 2: to do to get ready for a season.
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Speaker 1: You can get former managers who are you could have
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Speaker 1: gotten like a Bell or Girardi or Madden like that.
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Speaker 2: Sure, right, you could. Yeah, you're not wrong, Absolutely you could.
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Speaker 2: But I think you're managing an all star team here.
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Speaker 2: You're managing probably a group where as long as you
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Speaker 2: have the schedule set up, you don't mess up. The
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Speaker 2: BP groups they're probably gonna be fine. Like, don't put
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Speaker 2: her in judge in two different groups, just haven't been
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Speaker 2: one group, so he knows to hit once. Uh Like,
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Speaker 2: I think for the most part, this is to throw
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Speaker 2: the balls out there and let the guys go play
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Speaker 2: and see how it goes. You're probably not picking spots
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Speaker 2: for your specific lefty you know at bats or right
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Speaker 2: here at bats like you just you said it and go.
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Speaker 3: Let him play. So I think de Ro's got enough
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Speaker 3: baseball knowledge to do that. I don't know that's been
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Speaker 3: a problem.
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Speaker 4: We bicker.
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Speaker 1: We bicker on this show, you and I in particular.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the other guys drop bombs on me too.
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Speaker 1: But so I want to ask you this because I
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Speaker 1: do have ultimate respect for all of you guys, and.
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Speaker 4: You as well.
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Speaker 1: If you're Derosi, would you have just said messed up
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Speaker 1: because he did choose his words carefully misspoke? How would
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Speaker 1: Kyle Gibson handle it? Okay, you kind of didn't look
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Speaker 1: at the tiebreaker, you know, you got a really good
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Speaker 1: maybe you didn't look at everything, and then it gets exposed.
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Speaker 1: Kyle Gibson, you're at the podium, the media internationally is
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Speaker 1: looking at you. How do you explain yourself.
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Speaker 2: I'm probably saying basically what you just said here is like,
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Speaker 2: what were the scenarios that I actually looked at? Did
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Speaker 2: I think it was just run differential? Did I think
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Speaker 2: that it was just straight up head to head? You
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Speaker 2: know what am I looking at here? And I probably
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Speaker 2: would have just said, hey, yeah, I thought we were in.
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Speaker 2: Why else would I said that? You know, so I
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Speaker 2: probably would have just taken it that way. You're going
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Speaker 2: to take some heat either way. You're going to take
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Speaker 2: some heat, so you might as well just just kind
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Speaker 2: of take your medicine and move on and let people
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Speaker 2: take their shots and let people say what they're going
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Speaker 2: to say. Because everybody being the armchair quarterback, they never
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Speaker 2: would have made that mistake. You know that, nobody else
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Speaker 2: would have would have messed that up. Possibly on any
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Speaker 2: talk radio show that I've heard criticizing Mark Carosa, they
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Speaker 2: has gotten right one hundred percent of the time.
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Speaker 1: So team Italy did did a solid right. You saw
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Speaker 1: Passquatch say all right, I did that for you. US
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Speaker 1: Italy is a juggernaut. So this is what this is
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Speaker 1: what I This is what I notice. So when when
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Speaker 1: you know you read stuff and you look online, I
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Speaker 1: don't listen to sports talk radio, even though I have
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Speaker 1: destroyed a sports talk station or two in my career.
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Speaker 1: But you read comments and stuff and people are like,
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Speaker 1: Team Italy is good, but they're not Italian or Team Israel.
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Speaker 4: They're not even Israelis.
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Speaker 1: Aren't we losing the big picture when people focus on
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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. It's guys with different backgrounds playing
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Speaker 1: for different teams internationally.
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Speaker 4: Am I wrong?
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Speaker 3: H No? I think they're right, and I think we.
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Speaker 2: I don't know who all would would make too much
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Speaker 2: of some of these things, right that you just said,
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Speaker 2: But if you have, my debate for that or in
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Speaker 2: my argument would be how much Israeli background do you
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Speaker 2: need to play for Team Israel?
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Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 4: Like?
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Speaker 3: Is it a grandparent? You know? What? Is like?
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Speaker 2: I think people can claim a lot of different nationalities
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Speaker 2: just by a little bit, you know, if we want
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Speaker 2: to get I don't know, we're not going to get political,
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Speaker 2: but I mean I think if you have that's why
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Speaker 2: they have the parameters. You know, Austin Wells is the
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Speaker 2: catcher for the Dominican team.
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Speaker 3: I don't know the tie.
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Speaker 2: There, but if he wants to represent and he wants
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Speaker 2: to show respect for some of his past relatives, whatever
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Speaker 2: that connection is, what are we upset about? You know,
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Speaker 2: like we're perfectly fine with displaying identity and personality and
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Speaker 2: creativity and so many fasts of our game, but we're
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Speaker 2: not okay when people who have some type of Italian
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Speaker 2: lineage that is close enough to trace legitimately that they
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Speaker 2: choose to go to Team Italy when there was no
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Speaker 2: room on Tembosa, right, I mean that's just how it was.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I definitely, I definitely wouldn't say. You know,
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Speaker 2: I've heard some people say they're Temiosa's B team.
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Speaker 3: I don't like that.
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Speaker 2: You know, these are all big leaguers and you're not.
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Speaker 2: You can't criticize Michael Lorenzen because he's Michael Lorensen. He's
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Speaker 2: a big league pitcher. He gets guys out in the
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Speaker 2: big leagues all the time. You know, Aaron Nola goes
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Speaker 2: out there and shoves against New Mexico. Aaron Nola's really good,
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Speaker 2: by the way.
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Speaker 3: You know. So yeah, I don't.
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Speaker 2: I don't like the whole criticism of, well, these guys
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Speaker 2: aren't Italian. Well you know what I mean, except for
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Speaker 2: most of you know, the Dominican team that hail from
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Speaker 2: the Dominican or Venezuela team that hails from there, like
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Speaker 2: some of these countries.
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Speaker 3: That's how it is.
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Speaker 2: A lot of these players were born in the US
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Speaker 2: and they're able to trace olineag so why not let
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Speaker 2: them represent that?
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Speaker 1: And the goal too, is to create interest in whatever
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Speaker 1: country so that more local players advance, work hard, and
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Speaker 1: next thing, you know, they could represent that country.
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Speaker 4: That's what it's all about.
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Speaker 1: And I know that's what they're trying to do with
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Speaker 1: with the Italian team. One other thing about the World
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Speaker 1: Baseball Classic And to me, you're like, why would people
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Speaker 1: talking But because it's fun, all right?
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Speaker 4: But the the cal.
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Speaker 1: Ralegh A Rose Arena thing where cal didn't do the
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Speaker 1: fist bump and everything because his apparently his thing is
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Speaker 1: I'm playing on this team now where brothers, when we're
11:17
Speaker 1: back to our you know, our own team in Seattle.
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Speaker 1: How would you have handled that? If you're representing Team USA,
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Speaker 1: would you be friendly with a teammate from your major
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Speaker 1: league team or would you lock in like like Rolly did?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
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Speaker 2: I don't know how Cala is in the middle of
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Speaker 2: the season when he's around people, you know, in the
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Speaker 2: batter's box that he knows well. He might not like
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Speaker 2: it when players walk up to the plate and try
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Speaker 2: to say hello to him. I know there are players
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Speaker 2: that definitely did not like it when a batter would
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Speaker 2: come up and tap their shin guard and say hello, Like,
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Speaker 2: what do you do it? Man, I'm on the other team.
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Speaker 3: We're playing a game. You know.
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Speaker 2: Wilson Contraras is one guy that it didn't matter that
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Speaker 2: it was his brother in the box. He was not cordial.
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Speaker 2: He's playing a game. He's trying to beat you. He's
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Speaker 2: doing everything he can to do that. So everybody's a
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Speaker 2: little bit different, you know. Just I think there's obviously
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Speaker 2: a little different expectations. Randy expected to go up there
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Speaker 2: and say hello to his teammate, Cal expected in this matchup.
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Speaker 2: This is a really heated matchup. We haven't beat Mexico
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Speaker 2: in however many years. We're all business right now, and
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Speaker 2: Cal decided to go all business. I my guess is
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Speaker 2: it's not more than that. But if it is right,
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Speaker 2: that's okay too, Because everybody outside of that locker room
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Speaker 2: of twenty six players in Seattle would be crazy to
12:43
Speaker 2: think that all those players get along and are just
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Speaker 2: Hunky Dory for one hundred and eighty days.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: You go through spats, and you go through disagreements with teammates,
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Speaker 2: and sometimes you're not as corcial with guys. You know,
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Speaker 2: just no different than any other work environment than anybody
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Speaker 2: watching or listening to the show deals with. There's some
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Speaker 2: people in your work environment that you don't want to
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Speaker 2: say hello to. Uh, And it's no different, all.
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Speaker 1: Right, name some names with the when you're with the
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Speaker 1: Cardinals for that one season outside of me, that is.
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Speaker 3: Of people that I wouldn't want to talk to.
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Speaker 4: No, people that you didn't get along with.
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Speaker 3: Oh, people that I didn't get along with.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 2: In Saint Louis, I don't know if there was anybody.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that there was anybody in Saint Louis.
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Speaker 2: It happens right like there's a I had. I had
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Speaker 2: a teammate in Minnesota one time. I was really early
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Speaker 2: in my career. I was I missed the start because
13:34
Speaker 2: of a back like a back spasm that locked up.
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Speaker 2: And I think it was like my second year into
13:39
Speaker 2: Bigley's or something, and the trainer said, hey, uh, you
13:42
Speaker 2: need to avoid sitting down right, walk around, stay active.
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Speaker 2: You're not pitching today, but in five days we need
13:49
Speaker 2: to be better. So I was standing at the card
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Speaker 2: table playing cards right not sitting down, doing what the
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Speaker 2: trainer said, had already done all my treatment. He walks by,
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Speaker 2: he looks, I mean, he had like three or four
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Speaker 2: more years of service, and he had straight to the
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Speaker 2: train room. Was like, hey, is Gibson supposed to be
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Speaker 2: playing cards on the day that he's missing his start
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Speaker 2: right now? And I just so happened to walk in
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Speaker 2: and heard the conversation. I said, Hey, we have an
14:10
Speaker 2: issue right now because I'm doing exactly what the trainers
14:12
Speaker 2: are tell me to do, standing up, and I'm doing
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Speaker 2: my stuff for today. The next couple weeks weren't exactly
14:19
Speaker 2: cordial with me and that player. And our daughters got
14:23
Speaker 2: along like our wives got along. It wasn't like it
14:26
Speaker 2: was a a bad relationship, but just for a couple
14:29
Speaker 2: of weeks. He was upset that the bullpen was having
14:31
Speaker 2: to cover nine innings that day because he was a reliever,
14:33
Speaker 2: and I was the young player who appeared to not
14:37
Speaker 2: care about that.
14:38
Speaker 3: So every now and then it happens.
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Speaker 1: It's like a family, you know, you fight with your
14:43
Speaker 1: uncle or your cousin next thing you know, you're at
14:45
Speaker 1: the dinner table for a holiday. Everything's okay. You are
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Speaker 1: Some Cardinal talk and I don't want to get this
16:43
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter, because it does because baseball matters and
16:47
Speaker 1: the Sea. The regular season is fast approaching, and there's
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Speaker 1: some issues with the Cardinals that I wanted your take on.
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Speaker 1: And one of them is interesting because I think they
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Speaker 1: have a lot of talent in the bullpen. I think
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Speaker 1: that's going to be a strong suit for this squad.
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Speaker 1: But Ali is reluctant. Him is reluctant to name a closer.
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Speaker 4: You got.
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Speaker 1: Jojo Romero could be the guy. Riley O'Brien could be
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Speaker 1: the guy. Matt Sponson could be the guy. All these
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Speaker 1: guys have like really impressive numbers and really good stuff.
17:21
Speaker 1: I kind of like Sponson because he's one of these
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Speaker 1: guys that didn't turn into a closer. He's been closing
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Speaker 1: since the minor leagues. My question to you, Kyle Gibson,
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Speaker 1: as a veteran with lots of pitching experience, does it
17:36
Speaker 1: matter if you don't name a closer before the season starts,
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Speaker 1: especially when we're you're rebuilding.
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Speaker 2: I think it matters that you have conversations with those
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Speaker 2: three players, assuming that those three are kind of like
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Speaker 2: your seven, eight nine guys, and I think how Alli
17:54
Speaker 2: communicates those roles is important. JoJo's a routine guy who
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Speaker 2: likes to get stuff done before the game and is
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Speaker 2: very well aware when he's hot and ready for that game.
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Speaker 2: You know, Riley I was with him through the year,
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Speaker 2: but he was rehabbing in twenty twenty four, so he
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Speaker 2: seems pretty laid back and maybe not as you know,
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Speaker 2: intense on that routine, that schedule and Swans I don't
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Speaker 2: know at all, But I think you just want to
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Speaker 2: communicate with those guys and say, hey, all three of
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Speaker 2: you guys are closer potential. We plan on giving all
18:28
Speaker 2: of you opportunities. And I think that's a benefit to have.
18:31
Speaker 2: You know, that's a luxury. Any given night, you have
18:35
Speaker 2: three guys who you believe can get the last three outs,
18:38
Speaker 2: and it allows you to not run any one of
18:41
Speaker 2: those three guys into the ground, and it allows you
18:43
Speaker 2: to really have the flexibility to say, swonsin, you've thrown
18:47
Speaker 2: two out of three, we don't want to throw three
18:49
Speaker 2: out of four. You can take to night off. Jojo
18:52
Speaker 2: and Riley got it, and it's sort of, you know,
18:55
Speaker 2: same thing for all three of those guys. So I
18:58
Speaker 2: think it's a luxury, and I would have to imagine
19:02
Speaker 2: that those conversations with Alie and those three players have happened.
19:07
Speaker 2: Who do I believe is up first for a save?
19:10
Speaker 2: Probably Jojo on opening day? That's gonna be the guy.
19:15
Speaker 2: You know, just tenure led the team and saves. But
19:18
Speaker 2: I think you know, on that graphic you're looking at
19:20
Speaker 2: eight and six, it's not like he was a twenty
19:22
Speaker 2: five or thirty saved guy. Versus you know five, I
19:25
Speaker 2: think those guys are They're all going to get opportunities
19:28
Speaker 2: as they should. Very quality big league arms, all have
19:31
Speaker 2: swinging miss stuff, can get righty's and lefties out both
19:36
Speaker 2: and I think that's why it's going to be a
19:37
Speaker 2: strength to this team.
19:38
Speaker 1: Again, Yeah, they were all really good and all you know,
19:44
Speaker 1: to me a good choice if you say this guy's
19:48
Speaker 1: gonna close out the game, all them have really good stuff.
19:51
Speaker 1: All right, here's another question for you. A lot of
19:53
Speaker 1: young guys in the mix, a lot of you know,
19:56
Speaker 1: a lot of players want to get themselves on track.
19:58
Speaker 4: Right they're they're gonna have run Gorman Walker.
20:02
Speaker 1: I think Victor Scott the second needs to show more offense.
20:06
Speaker 4: Of all the guys in the mix.
20:07
Speaker 1: Right now, we don't know the final roster, but we
20:10
Speaker 1: have a pretty good idea by this by this point,
20:13
Speaker 1: who's the guy that's gonna take the biggest leap forward
20:16
Speaker 1: this year? Could be a picture, could be one of
20:19
Speaker 1: the guys I mentioned. And you're a smart guy, and
20:22
Speaker 1: you're gonna say it doesn't. Yes, it matters because baseball.
20:27
Speaker 2: Here you are assuming my answer again, you know that's
20:29
Speaker 2: really what I what really just you know gets me
20:32
Speaker 2: going a little bit is when you assume the answer
20:35
Speaker 2: that I'm.
20:35
Speaker 3: Gonna give.
20:38
Speaker 2: Man a little biased toward pitching. I'm gonna start with
20:43
Speaker 2: a couple of these young pitchers. I don't think Libby
20:47
Speaker 2: needs to prove much more. I think Libby has shown
20:51
Speaker 2: what he's capable of, and you give him a full
20:53
Speaker 2: season of health and you know, take the reins off
20:56
Speaker 2: and let him go throw six seven nies every time.
21:00
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a big step forward. I think
21:01
Speaker 2: that's just him developing a little bit more. I think
21:05
Speaker 2: McGreevy is a really interesting arm that I think could
21:11
Speaker 2: take a step forward. I think in the age where
21:15
Speaker 2: especially if you have a good pitching department like the
21:18
Speaker 2: Cardinals do, and you have the ability to gain plan
21:21
Speaker 2: and you have the ability to work the line and
21:23
Speaker 2: pitch and not just out stuffed people. McGreevey has great stuff,
21:26
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, But he can pitch. He can
21:28
Speaker 2: move the ball side to side on the plate, up
21:31
Speaker 2: and down, and I think that's an art that's kind
21:32
Speaker 2: of coming back a little bit in starters. So I
21:36
Speaker 2: look for him to kind of take that step. I
21:38
Speaker 2: think there's another young arm, whether it's Quinn Matthews. You know,
21:42
Speaker 2: I don't know one of these guys we've traded for.
21:44
Speaker 2: I think, you know, those guys could be interesting cases
21:49
Speaker 2: to make a step forward. But if we're just going
21:51
Speaker 2: to go a guy on the Cardinals that I probably
21:53
Speaker 2: know the most about and have high expectations for.
21:57
Speaker 3: I think that step forward is McGreevy.
22:00
Speaker 2: Offensively, I think for the for the health of the
22:04
Speaker 2: Cardinals going forward as an organization. And I said this
22:07
Speaker 2: in twenty toy four as well. I think there's a
22:10
Speaker 2: lot of pressure on Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman.
22:13
Speaker 3: And those guys to take that next step.
22:15
Speaker 2: And I kind of thought with Lance and toy toy
22:18
Speaker 2: four that the Cardinals or the Cardinals are gonna kind
22:21
Speaker 2: of go how those guys go until they decide to
22:23
Speaker 2: replace them. So I hope for the sake of this
22:27
Speaker 2: team and for the offense, that Walker and Gorman both
22:31
Speaker 2: take that step forward and make that leap to kind
22:34
Speaker 2: of solidify who they are, because I think it'll be
22:36
Speaker 2: really really big for this team and it'll really stabilize
22:39
Speaker 2: the middle of that order that I think could probably
22:42
Speaker 2: use a little bit more thump with some of the
22:45
Speaker 2: unknowns surrounding some of the players like Burley's got extra
22:49
Speaker 2: base hit thump, but maybe not the thirty to forty.
22:52
Speaker 3: Homer thump that Gorman could have. So I think Gorman and.
22:56
Speaker 2: Walker could really add some slug to the middle of
22:58
Speaker 2: this lineup. And you take a team that everybody's counting
23:03
Speaker 2: out and put them as a team that, hey, if
23:06
Speaker 2: we pitch and have a good back into the bullpen
23:07
Speaker 2: and these couple of guys take a step forward. Now
23:10
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're looking at a wildcard team.
23:12
Speaker 2: Possibly that is really challenging people.
23:16
Speaker 1: I think both those guys have done it before, certainly
23:19
Speaker 1: capable to find it again.
23:20
Speaker 4: I'm with you.
23:21
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw out mine it and then we'll move
23:23
Speaker 1: on to the final thing. I just like Kyle Lahey
23:28
Speaker 1: great out of the pen. They're stretching them out to
23:30
Speaker 1: CV can start and just watching him his repertoire, his
23:35
Speaker 1: mound presence, and the fact that he wants the ball.
23:38
Speaker 4: Now.
23:39
Speaker 1: Granted he hasn't compiled a ton of innings because he
23:41
Speaker 1: him been a starter, but that guy would throw three
23:44
Speaker 1: days in a row if you want, He'd throw four
23:46
Speaker 1: or five days in a row. Because he said whenever
23:49
Speaker 1: they say you can have the ball, I'm gonna snatch it.
23:52
Speaker 1: And I think that's the right attitude. I think his
23:54
Speaker 1: stuff is good enough where it'll play as a starter.
23:58
Speaker 4: Yes my thought.
23:58
Speaker 3: I agree.
23:59
Speaker 2: His stuff is really good, so was really good late
24:02
Speaker 2: life to it. And he's got this kind of even
24:05
Speaker 2: keel mindset where he can, you know, weather a little
24:08
Speaker 2: bit of a storm here and there, has stuff to
24:09
Speaker 2: get out of a jam.
24:11
Speaker 3: So I agree. I think he's somebody that you know.
24:14
Speaker 2: Once again, I think pitching is hopefully going to be
24:17
Speaker 2: another strength of this team and it's going to keep
24:19
Speaker 2: you in a lot of ball games.
24:20
Speaker 3: And I think Coley's gonna be one of those guys
24:22
Speaker 3: that does that.
24:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's up to the rotation to solidify.
24:25
Speaker 1: I think that's the key, all right. Last thing, we
24:28
Speaker 1: just had the Colt Long and Cardinal territory this week.
24:32
Speaker 1: He was back as an instructor and the Cardinals are
24:34
Speaker 1: big on that. I know a lot of teams do
24:36
Speaker 1: that too, but what does that, in your opinion, do
24:39
Speaker 1: to have veteran players come back and and kind of
24:43
Speaker 1: share the wealth, share their knowledge with the younger players. Again,
24:47
Speaker 1: the Cardinals do a lot of that, what is the
24:50
Speaker 1: upside for young players just to be around that.
24:55
Speaker 2: I think Colton is a perfect you know, player assistant
25:01
Speaker 2: to come in. You know, he's a guy that has
25:04
Speaker 2: gone through a lot of different adversity and in his career,
25:07
Speaker 2: you know, overcoming certain things, changing teams, traded, just a
25:12
Speaker 2: lot of things happen, right, and being able to speak
25:14
Speaker 2: to all that is can be really helpful for for
25:17
Speaker 2: certain players you know that are especially young in their career. So,
25:20
Speaker 2: you know, I think everybody has a story to tell.
25:23
Speaker 2: Everybody has different things that work for them, things that didn't.
25:28
Speaker 2: And I think you know a lot of teams utilize
25:30
Speaker 2: that utilize that aspect of their organization and utilize that
25:33
Speaker 2: aspect of their alumni and and trying to bring them
25:36
Speaker 2: into help. So you know, it's I think it's really
25:42
Speaker 2: good because I also believe that a veteran presence.
25:44
Speaker 3: Is really good.
25:45
Speaker 2: Right, you know, there's going to be fans and people
25:48
Speaker 2: are on talk ready to say, oh, what is a
25:49
Speaker 2: big deal that Colton Wong's air. It's you know, it's
25:52
Speaker 2: veteran leadership whatever that it's a thing or else.
25:57
Speaker 3: Why would teams do this? You know, why?
25:58
Speaker 2: Why is it important to have certain big league experience
26:01
Speaker 2: on our coaching staff in certain positions because it just matters.
26:07
Speaker 1: And you talk to Cole about his time with the Cardinals,
26:09
Speaker 1: he gets like emotional. I mean, that guy loves the Cardinals. Kyle,
26:13
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it. We got along pretty good on
26:15
Speaker 1: this episode, and I appreciate that there was very little bickery,
26:19
Speaker 1: very little you know, we did.
26:20
Speaker 2: It was good And because you know, I'm when I
26:24
Speaker 2: got back from vacation, I really kind of thought we
26:26
Speaker 2: were gonna move past the asking for followers and subscribers.
26:29
Speaker 2: Obviously we didn't today. We didn't have it today. So
26:32
Speaker 2: since we didn't have it, I'm gonna go ahead and
26:33
Speaker 2: throw out a selfless plug. Since you didn't do it,
26:36
Speaker 2: somebody has to do it. The charity that that Adam,
26:39
Speaker 2: Wayne Wright and I are a part of that Wayne
26:41
Speaker 2: ran start as Big League Impact. Any Cardinals fans are
26:44
Speaker 2: going to know about that. This year, we're doing for
26:46
Speaker 2: the first time a March Madness Bracket challenge, So head
26:49
Speaker 2: over to big League Impact dot org slash March Madness.
26:53
Speaker 2: You can sign up do anywhere from one to five
26:55
Speaker 2: hopefully maybe even more brackets and the Grand Prize winner.
26:59
Speaker 2: We have no MLB players signed up right now. The
27:01
Speaker 2: grand prize winner gets to pick and on field meet
27:04
Speaker 2: and greet with one of those nine players at a
27:06
Speaker 2: stadium of their choice that that player is playing in.
27:09
Speaker 2: So if you want to follow the Cardinals to Yankee
27:12
Speaker 2: Stadium or wherever they go and do a meet and
27:14
Speaker 2: greet with one of those players that's on that list,
27:16
Speaker 2: you can. It's gonna be a really cool thing. But
27:19
Speaker 2: first time we've ever done a bracket challenge, So head
27:21
Speaker 2: to big League Impact dot org slas March Madness sign up.
27:24
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a lot of fun.
27:27
Speaker 1: That group, Big League Impact does wonderful things, so everyone
27:30
Speaker 1: get on board with that. And that wasn't a plug
27:33
Speaker 1: that was helping others, So Kyli, I appreciate you. That's
27:37
Speaker 1: gonna do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. We'll
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Speaker 1: see you next time and hopefully that episode won't suck.