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The Football Show! State Final Wrap · NorthJerseySports.com

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Back on The Football Show, North Jersey, sports.com's original
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multimedia series talking all things football across North
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Jersey. This is Season 13 Episode 14,
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the grand finale. I am Corey Doviak being joined
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back at full strength with my illustrious panel of North
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Jersey football insiders, starting with the venerable 1.
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He is Jimmy Avatable. What's going on, Jim?
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What's up, Corey? We, I think we made it through
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the finish line. It really is crazy that we it
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just went so fast the whole season up in up came and gone.
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And it's crazy. One guy who soaked in every
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minute of it. He picked up a few nicknames
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along the way. He picked up a few new T-shirts
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along the way, game worn jerseys, everything else.
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The head Husky, the Pope of the Cardinal of the Westwood, the
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alpha dog in the Rutherford pack.
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So many things. A a ram in sheep's clothing.
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He's Bryan Carr. What's going on, Bryan?
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Hey Core. Hey, I missed the show last
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week, Corey, but I was still looking at football and people
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being honored for their success in football.
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Coach Campanelli, Vito Campanelli was at the Y dinner
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on last Tuesday. His son was honored and we had a
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football player from Bergen, Benjamin Schuh, honored.
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Charlie Wingfield from Ramapo honored Kyle Manungai, formerly
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at Bosco, Billy Wild, former New Milford coach, and also the
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McCarty twins were honored as the People of the Year by the
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why. So I was still involved with
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football even though I wasn't here at the show.
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So good to be back, Corey. And the final weekend here was
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pretty good here. Six games in and just one more
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to go. I feel like you kind of left us
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in the dust when you talk about that guest list, and now you're
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back here in the humble surroundings of the world
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headquarters of North Jersey sports.com.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what's so good,
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Corey. Just like going to football
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games, just like going to that dinner.
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It's all the athletic directors. You see, we've seen Thanksgiving
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Day, these athletic directors showing up.
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DuMont, we saw, you know, we saw formerly Greg Butler, former AAD
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epidemorist Mike Apedio was there, and obviously Joe Zatara
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was there. And also, come on, help me out.
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Oh, Jerry. Jerry Emerson was there.
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That was cool. Yeah, I got a cool picture.
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It was Jerry Emerson, Greg Butler who was took over for
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Jerry as the athletic director at Northern Valley Demorist and
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then Michael Pedo who took over for Greg Butler.
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So 3 generations of Northern Valley Demorist athletic
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directors in the same place checking out the you know,
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Michael Pedo was former athletic director at two months, so long
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time athletic director at two months.
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So it was, it was cool to have all three of those guys talk and
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shop in the same place. And that is Jimmy.
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You knew he was going to do it. He was going to shoehorn
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Thanksgiving Day. I mean, his beloved Huskies held
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off the Fighting Tigers. They're late in the fourth
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quarter to pick up win #11 in the Turkey Bowl.
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But you knew he was going to get that in, right?
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Oh, listen, I, I was, I expected that to be the first thing he
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said. Let's, let's give Tenafly a
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little bit credit. You know, not a great year
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having to wait three plus weeks to play the Thanksgiving Day
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game. And you know, they got down and
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and they fought back to make it a 28202820 game.
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So I guess the Turkey tasted a little bit better.
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Yeah, and you know, again, we're off on a tangent already here in
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minutes three of the show. But you know, you talk about
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Tenafly and the overall landscape of high school, public
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school, high school football in Bergen County, you have to give
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Tenafly a a ton of credit. I mean, they're a non Co-op
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program who has not had I I mean, they've had some good
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players over the last few years or whatever.
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I mean the Emmy Goldberg and you know, for their level, they had
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some good teams and but you know, they're fighting against
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the tide and for them to in the fourth quarter, put together a
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run of the last game after waiting three weeks.
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I I you know, it's a tough job at Tenafly and it was done well
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this year. Anyway, let's just set up this
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show real quick. We on this portion of the
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football show on North Jersey sports.com, we're going to go
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through the state finals that have been played so far.
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We're still missing one. The North has taken it on the
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chin a little bit now we scheduled to have Brian Dunn,
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the old Japan head coach, as the guest this week.
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He Golden Knights fell in the Group 3 state final on Friday
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night and true to his word, he did join us.
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But the conversation was so good and the interview lasted so long
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that we're going to pull it out of the body of this show and
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we're going to make a stand alone episode.
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So there will be this season 13, episode 14, and then there will
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be an addendum to that season 13, episode 15, which will be
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just the straight interview with Brian Dunn.
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So check both this one and that one out as we're going out in
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style this year. But let's start with the first
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game, the first state final, a chilly morning cold MetLife
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Stadium. Jimmy's beloved Paramus Catholic
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paladins up against defending champion DePaul in the non
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public B state final on Saturday morning, which was a logistical
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nightmare from Catholic schools who draw their players from all
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over New Jersey and points N SE and West pulled them into the
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Meadowlands on Saturday morning and Jimmy your paladins gave him
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a run. Yeah, You know, we to to start
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off, you, you couldn't, couldn't get in the stadium, Corey, till
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8:30 in the morning. We were there at 8:15.
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Depole was there. Next thing you know, they're
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taking kids off the bus, they're bringing in the the the canine
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dogs to check the the buses. So instead of getting in at
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8:30, who got in at 20 to 9. So logistically, you mentioned
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it was it was tough. I know Paramus Catholic practice
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Wednesday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday at 7:00, you know, 7:30
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in the morning to try to simulate what it was going to be
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like. But you know, ultimate listen,
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that had nothing to do with the game.
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The Paul, the defending champions, you know, looked like
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they were used to being in the big spot.
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They were. They jumped out to a 21 nothing
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lead. Mr. Zammit, who you know the the
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number of career starts at quarterback and it's 3 1/2 years
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I believe was over 40 games started.
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So you know that that's an incredible amount.
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Looked like the best player on the field.
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He was. He scored all three touchdowns
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for for the pole. They took a 21 nothing lead.
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Paramus Catholic fought back, got it to 2112 with the ball
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late and just couldn't get over the the hump.
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But I give him credit. They as as they seem like they
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got their footing, you know, late in the first quarter, but
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it was just not to be. Congratulations to DePaul.
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And, you know, I told Coach Russo today, he stopped in the
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office. I said, coach, it's not where we
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want to be, but it's a lot better than where we were.
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So I think the the the future is bright for the Paladin.
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No doubt about it, Bry. Your thoughts on the game?
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Yeah, Kimmy mentioned it, You know, Derek Samet, you know he I
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think coming to the game the week before he was out in the
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fourth quarter, little ankle issue there, but he came on and
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he was running really strong and a couple of three touchdowns and
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one was a 22 yarder. And then really the the key one
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there at the in the second-half he to kind of ice it a little
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bit, not that it was over, but make it 21 nothing for them.
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So, you know, he's team to really step up.
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Hey, credit also to senior Marco Green for the Paladins.
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Came in the second-half and did a decent job kind of getting the
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team. He little struggle for the young
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quarterback there. And then Marco came in and kind
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of let him into a couple scores. So, you know, get that kid to go
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out on a good note. He had been hurt.
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They look good. I mean, they're not going
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anywhere. I think they're going to be.
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But, you know, next year should be a good year for PC, you know,
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and as Jimmy mentioned in the, you know, they've come a long
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way with Greg Russo here. I know a few years ago they were
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struggling to win games. And now they're, you know, in
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the right direction. So, you know, it was it was it
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was good to see them on a nice early on, early on a Friday
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morning down there at MetLife. So, you know, yeah.
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And like Jimmy said too, it was tricky getting in.
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We were there trying to get in and they delayed the passes at
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until 9:00 just to get in for the press.
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So, you know, we were anxious to get in there and get settled in
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and on a very chilly day, but it was a nice day and the sun came
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out and it was, it was very nice on on the field, but a little
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breezy, but a great, I think a great day.
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Not a great attendance at that game, but the last, you know,
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but the last game ended up filling in as the game started.
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We'll get into that one later. So Corey, we'll let you go
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there. Yeah.
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No, why don't we go? I mean it, it's crazy.
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Listen, we're not going to talk about attendance in the state
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finals. We do a little bit with Brian
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Dunn in that interview. Go listen to it there.
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But I mean, you know, the, the, the shocking thing to me is like
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the lack of charm of the stadium itself.
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Like it has all the charm of like a gas station bathroom.
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You walk in there, it's all Gray when you're down on the field,
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you know, it's, it's a $1.6 billion stadium.
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It's where The Jets and the Giants play.
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And like the, the, the padding is coming off the wall.
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It's it's really, you know, it's banners instead of, you know,
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high resolution digital displays along the walls.
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They got, you know, vinyl banners covering It's crazy.
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So I I don't know. And then you add into it a game
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with sparsely attended and not all that great anyway.
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So let's skip from that game then Bry, you brought it up.
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Let's go to the big one, which was the nightcap.
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And as you said, the crab did fill in immensely.
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You had lots of people in the bowl, you know, both sides of
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the stadium it looked like had, you know, had the atmosphere of
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a championship game. And it was the one that decides
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who is the state champion this year.
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Was it Don Bosco Prep? Was it St.
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Joe's? Bosco won the regular season
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match up in a close game. And then, Brian, why don't you
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take it from there? But I think a couple points here
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with obviously Joe's and Bosco in this game in the final.
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And one thing you got to mention with, you know, with Joe's going
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into the game, a lot of ups and downs this year.
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They lost the quarterback, their starter who was out and then the
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replacement comes in, Mason Geist comes in, has a great run,
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gets him into the playoffs, beat, you know, and beat Bergen
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in overtime over in Bergen. But you know, injuries next man
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up, they had two forfeits, they had two losses and then
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basically they avenged two regular season losses.
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They lost both to Bergen and Bosco in the regular season and
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were able to come back both both close games, very close games
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and the other one too close game.
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They lost regular season. They lost to Peters in on a 2
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point conversion at the end of the game.
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Could have been all the time. It's very late, but you know,
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congratulations, you know, it was a good game.
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I thought back and forth, you know, Bosco was able to early
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get out to a lead and and they they seem to be, you know, in
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the right position, but Joe's hanging in there and got it
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close, got to 1410. But what really the flip the
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switch. I think in the second-half they
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came out and Nate Bailey, they're glue.
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As you heard early in the year we mentioned here, they're glue,
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which is Nate Bailey. Nate Bailey, I had a nice run.
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It was opened well for him. He ran for about 40 yards for
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the score and that got them the lead.
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And then on the ensuing kickoff, it gets fumbled.
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They recover. Couple plays later, Lamar Best,
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the quarterback who've been out earlier this year, comes in and
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and scores a touchdown. And you know what's they're up
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now? It's they're up by 10 points
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now, 2414 and hey, it's, you know, they look in good shape
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and they were in good shape. And, and then Bosco, you know,
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to their credit, too hung in there, came back.
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We're able to get a late touchdown with Dante DeLuca,
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their senior running back and, and they got another chance.
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They were able to stop them and got the ball with about two
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minutes to go and they had the ball in deep into Bosco's
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territory and they had an opportunity but just couldn't
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get the big play and ran out of downs and then turned it over
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and Jose was able run it out. But a good fourth game, I think
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a great game. And one of the thing about the
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season 2, probably everybody was predicting Bergen to go on a a
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fight pee, right? They won four in a row and
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that's what everybody thought. And so we have a little bit
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different and I think it's kind of refreshing now.
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I mean, I'm sure Vito doesn't want to lose this.
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Ronnie Cardi didn't want to lose it at Bergen.
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But you know, it's good to see you get around Danny Sabella.
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Let's not forget Danny. One thing I'll say about Dan
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Sabella, if you go back and look, he won in 2006 with
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Pagoda. He wanted Paramus Catholic in
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2016. Next year is 2026.
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So, you know, Danny's put in the work here up at Bosco and he's
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right there. He's been in a couple of these
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games here. He has lost another one.
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He was right there. So don't count Danny out next
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year. It's his, you know, decade.
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It's his year. He's back here 10 years later.
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And then by the way, to talk about Danny, one thing we've
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been talking about a lot, the 2010 game at Old Japan that they
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played, because that was 15 years ago, a tremendous game
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that we talk about all the time. Dan Sabella was the coach there
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coaching his quarterback. A, by the way, also jumping over
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Paramus Catholic, who was quarterback coach of Paramus
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Catholic was his quarterback, Anthony Big House Brito, who won
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member state championship. So it's full circle.
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Corey and Sir Timmy's got some things to talk about in the big
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game. Yeah, very cool.
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I just want to, you know, mention, you know, I'm sure that
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the Bosco contingent, including Dan Sabella himself are still
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broken up about it. But you look at their the season
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they put together this year, 11 and 1, three out of state wins
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beat Saint Joe's first time around in overtime, you know,
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beat Bergen Catholic twice this season.
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A great year for Bosco, even if they don't feel that way.
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I mean, I hope they can, you know, when they get a chance to,
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to break everything down. I mean, no shame in losing by
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three points to a good opponent, although it's a little
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consolation. But Jimmy, what are your
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thoughts? Bosco Joe's.
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Well, the first time Brian mentioned up at Joe's, the game
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went to overtime and and it was a decided advantage to Don Bosco
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as far as special teams were concerned.
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They returned the kickoff for a touchdown.
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Saint Joe's missed 2 field goals.
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They also had a snap over the the, you know, the head of the,
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you know. The Hunter holder.
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The holder, Yeah, the. Holder, the holder, Yeah, the.
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Extra, I'm sorry, the holder. So it was a distinct advantage.
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On Friday night, the script was flipped.
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The block punt by Saint Joe's would set up the the score and
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then right after that on the ensuing kickoff a fumble that
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Saint Joe's recovered. So in the matter of, you know, 5
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or 6 plays, Saint Joe's went from being down to up and, and
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Zombasto had their chances. They just couldn't get over the
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hump. And and you know the old saying
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Corey Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
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Don Bosco did everything they could all year.
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You know, we talked with Coach Dunn before about Old Japan
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being the most most consistent team all year while in the big
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boy division it was, it was Don Bosco 11.
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And oh, as you mentioned, great wins, signature wins.
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And, you know, it comes down to a play here or a play there.
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You mentioned Coach Sabella. You know, let's not talk about a
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loss here or there. Let's talk about the ability to
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take your team to five state finals.
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That's what he's done. You know, I remember Coach Olson
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at Wayne Hills losing his first 5 or 6 at Wayne Hills.
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If anyone on that big run or five or six in a row.
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So, you know, Bosco's program is healthy.
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A lot of good players coming back.
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Coach Sabella does a great job. So you know, it'll, it'll come
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for Coach Sabella. I know they're frustrated, I
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know they're hurting, but they'll, you know, they'll start
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getting it ready in January to have another great season.
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No doubt about it. I'm just looking at the all
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county teams which are posted on bergencountycoaches.com today, a
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bergencountycoaches.org today and Lot Saint Joseph Regional,
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lots of Don Bosco Prep, lots of Bergen Catholic too.
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But and you look at the grades, they're not all seniors.
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So a lot of talent coming back into the big boy division with
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more filtering in all the time, no doubt about it.
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So, yeah, that's the crazy thing though.
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Like that, you know, you put so much work into it, you get
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there, you know, you play it, it's a one off.
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And then whatever happens, whatever the result is, I mean,
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it's it's circular. So couple days later, you know,
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you either lick your wounds or you smoke your cigar and then
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you get back in the weight room and here we go again.
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I mean, 2026 football season, you know, that kind of starts
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tomorrow. It's crazy, you know?
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Yeah. So, all right, so that was the
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Big Boy game, and then what was Game 2 on Friday?
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Game 2 was the the fake Tech versus Washington Township game
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and. You want to start there, Jimmy?
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Yeah, Washington Township, not the Washington Township where
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Westwood's located, right? You know, Washington Township,
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South Jersey coming in 13 and O so obviously, you know, that's a
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that's a formidable team. Passaic Tech had lost, I believe
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their first two games without their sorting quarterback, my
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miles. You know, they went on a big run
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to win the sectional get to the final.
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It was a six three Passaic tech lead at at halftime.
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You know, they you kind of felt that they had pretty much
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dominated the first half. They did a great job
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defensively. They were only up 63, Corey.
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And you know, we've been around long enough games when you're
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dominating and not putting the team away.
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Washington Township came out in the second-half a completely
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different team offensively, you know, went up and down the field
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defensively held to say Tech offense in check.
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And again, 14 and O you can't get much better than that.
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No doubt about it bro. Your thoughts on pathetic tech?
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Yeah. Yeah, like I think Jimmy's got
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it covered. You know, PCTI had their chances
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was, you know, right there and but just, you know, when you
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have a good team and they had some good receivers.
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We that seems to be a popular trend down in the southern
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teams. Jalen Robinson had three
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touchdowns, 2565 and 12, and then they also another touchdown
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to more. So they've got a lot of depth in
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that receiving core and that seems to be the difference.
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And we'll talk about that, you know, in another game where a
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team it's, it's heavy, heavy passing, you know, it's and we
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saw, we saw that in Glassboro, We saw that in Winslow.
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So here's the third team from the South, very talented skill
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quarterback and receiving crew. And they don't have to run too
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much because they can pass so well.
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But that seemed to be the difference right there.
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And probably, you know, then it can kind of lead us right into
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the next game, which is the Cedar Creek Ulta Pan game.
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I think a little different here with Cedar Creek.
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They used the big boys up front, I'll call them bulldozers.
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And in the second quarter was Ulta Pan seemed to have their
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opportunities there, Corey? And Ulta Pan had a couple
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chances early, I mean, early it's game if they can catch both
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of those early opportunities and maybe go up 14, nothing.
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And then maybe put a little bit of doubt in Cedar Creek's mind,
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but. That didn't happen.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And they and they, you know, because Cedar Creek was, they
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were kind of and holding on and just stopping them and not
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letting them score all the pan. And then sure enough, when it
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was time, Cedar Creek, once they got going, it was like they were
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running downhill. The blockers are blocking, the
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holes were opening up and they were just going down the field
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with ease. They got their two touchdowns
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that lead in the second quarter and then and well, then, then
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what happens, right then you get the second-half kick off and the
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kid returns it for a score and now it's 21.
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Nothing. It's like, oh boy.
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But you know, Chris Ultipan, they all get in there.
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Returns. Yeah, that kid returned the kick
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off. He was the best player on the
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field from the start. And I I was in Ultipan High
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School today on on a business. I was talking to Lorenzo Barada,
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who is the athletic director and, you know, on tape that kid
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has not returned. And you know, I don't have the
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program in front of me and whatever.
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So I'm sorry, I don't know the name, but he was not he, he did
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not return a lot of kicks during the season.
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At least, you know, based on the video, they were able to see.
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And so it's not like you say, well, he's back there.
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They maybe they didn't take note of it or whatever.
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But that ball, you knew it hit him right in the gut on the 25
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yard line with a running start. And that was going to be a
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problem. And that's when I headed for the
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egg. I mean, that was a, a, a gut
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shot coming out of the the halftime locker room.
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Right the the player was Guyan King.
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It's Gyan King. He took that 8085 yard kickoff
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return for to the house. So you know.
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Solid and then they another big run, Jameer Campbell, he had a
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50 yard run. So they they're you know, then
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he had another run after that. So they they've just seemed to
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have it going very well and they have a senior quarterback who's
23:05
really good. Frenchman Buffet, solid guy.
23:11
And I know going into the game I heard the people were talking
23:14
about him before this game. I heard about the people were
23:16
scouting them out and you know, it's they're really good.
23:20
They just dominated the game against a very good old Japan
23:22
team. And you know, you just saw the
23:25
difference. You saw a difference between the
23:27
two, the speed of the two and the size too.
23:30
You know, let's not pick on people size or size.
23:32
You can see it when they line up and it was definitely a
23:36
difference in the size. So, you know, old Japan has
23:39
nothing to feel, you know, nothing that feel bad about
23:42
because they just got beat by a better team on the given day.
23:45
But hey, come on to get to this far, you know, they're two time
23:48
champs. They've done very well up there
23:51
in old Japan to get where they're at and continued success
23:55
for them and their program of. Course, yeah.
23:57
And their junior class is their strength.
23:59
So, you know, their quarterback will be back in Michelle and,
24:03
you know, Shane Smalls and just a whole bunch of other really
24:07
good players. So Old Japan will be back.
24:09
And if you want to know more about that game, Jimmy, I'm
24:12
going to leave you out of this because we went 40 minutes with
24:14
the head coach. And that's in the other portion
24:17
of this edition of the Football Show show.
24:20
So seek that interview out and you can hear all about it.
24:24
I mean, you know Cedar Grove and Glassboro in the first game at
24:29
Rutgers Stadium, you know, neither team really in our
24:32
coverage area and you know Cedar Grove, one of the most tradition
24:37
rich and history rich small schools in North Jersey ran up
24:42
against a Glassboro squad who got crazy at the end.
24:46
From what I understand, Bry, you were there.
24:50
You can touch a little bit on it too as well.
24:52
But they were trying to set the all time record for points
24:56
scored in the season. Glassboro team and running trick
24:59
plays at the end of an already decided game, which got to some
25:01
bad blood on some hot tempers on both sides.
25:05
And I mean, you know, not a good look for what a state, you know,
25:11
not a great then. Listen, I'm going to be honest,
25:13
the Sunday at Rutgers, other than the fact that Ramapo played
25:16
great against a team that was, you know, everybody's favorite,
25:21
but from, you know, those antics in the first game and the
25:26
weather and the sparse crowds, not really a showcase day for
25:31
New Jersey public school football.
25:33
Yeah, Corey, I mean, I heard about the conversation after the
25:38
game, but there was we didn't notice it and we happened to be
25:41
up in the box at the time, up in the press box.
25:44
So we didn't notice it. But you know, credit to both
25:46
teams. You know, Glassboro, we you
25:48
could see it. First half, they dominated the
25:50
game. There are 14 nothing.
25:53
Cedar Grove couldn't move the ball, they couldn't run the
25:56
ball, they couldn't throw the ball.
25:57
First half stats are just like, I'm sorry, but just like
26:01
nothing, No stats, you know, negative yardage running.
26:05
They had they, what they, they passed, I think they were 18
26:09
plays and they got a total of 16 yards.
26:12
On the other hand, Glassboro was 20 plays and 192 yards and two
26:15
scores. And you know, the, the team, the
26:18
quarterback is solid, the two Saab brothers, the senior and
26:22
the junior, Amari is the senior. 2 touchdowns.
26:27
Just just very, very athletic players and they just, you know,
26:32
Cedar Grove very good team, had a good run, beat an undefeated
26:36
Butler team in Butler, had the big field goal, the 49 yard
26:40
field goal to get there. So a lot of thrills and a lot of
26:43
to be, you know, happy about it. Cedar Grove.
26:45
But you know, this is a rematch from last year whether it was a
26:49
really, really bad game. It was it was like 6 feet of 14
26:52
last year. So I think there was some bad
26:54
bloods already because of that many points last year.
26:57
Yeah. And now this time it, you know,
26:59
credit to Cedar Grove. Even like I said, the stats in
27:02
the first half were really, really bad for Cedar Grove.
27:06
But they came back. They were able to get a
27:08
touchdown, which, you know, we didn't think they would even get
27:11
a touchdown the way it was looking in the first half, but
27:13
they're able to get a touchdown. They got it to 21 to 7.
27:17
And I mean, one of the things, if you haven't seen it, you want
27:20
to check out the video. There was a play, Cedar Grove
27:24
throws a pass trying to get, trying to get a touchdown into
27:27
the end zone and it gets intercepted.
27:30
The returners return the ball and get crushed.
27:32
I'm telling you, we crushed. We could see.
27:34
It's like a blind side, but not. It wasn't a blind side block.
27:37
It's like a typical blind side block, but it was a blind side
27:40
tackle. The kid gets lit up, balls up in
27:42
the air, and then we go about it must have been 10 different guys
27:46
touched the ball. Eventually the ball's in the end
27:48
zone. Cedar Grove has a touchdown.
27:51
Michael can a rally. He had gotten the touchdown pass
27:54
and he recovered in the end zone.
27:56
So there was some life and some enthusiasm.
27:58
They were down at the time, you know, it was 29 to 7.
28:03
And then it was a little got a little ugly late, Corey, that
28:07
the game was pretty much decided at that point.
28:09
Final score is there, 2914. And then they did run a trick
28:14
play going. And I understand too, What
28:17
they're trying to go for is like the state record of points
28:20
scored in the season. But, you know, I don't think
28:23
Cedar Grove like that too much. But hey, the other, yeah, the
28:28
other kid, the kid, JoJo de Leaf at Glassboro had two touchdowns,
28:33
ran for about 140 yards on 12 carries with two scores.
28:37
So, you know, they're for real. Very good program.
28:41
Let's not get distracted about the other stuff, the antics
28:44
later. But, you know, definitely the
28:46
team was a better team than Cedar Grove on this day.
28:49
And that's what's predicted. Mr. Pat Rice would have told us
28:53
this going in. We knew what was expected to
28:56
happen here. And we saw it last year too,
28:58
Corey. Yeah, Jimmy, any thoughts there?
29:01
Yeah, You know, I give all the credit in the world to to see
29:04
the Grove. They were.
29:06
They were demolished last year. They gave up almost 500 yards of
29:11
rushing. They were never in that game.
29:13
They knew what they were up against.
29:15
Glassboro returned a majority the team, but I tell you what,
29:19
they played hard. They played as well as they can
29:23
play. It was a 2 score game.
29:25
They turned over the ball with about a minute, 20 left.
29:29
The game was over and Glassboro decides they're going to try to
29:33
set the South Jersey, not the New Jersey, The South Jersey
29:37
points total first points in the season.
29:41
And you know what it it it was disrespectful to the game.
29:44
It was disrespectful to see the Grove.
29:47
I was actually home watching the game and Dan Long was doing the
29:52
game for nj.com. We were able to see what was
29:55
going back and forth. There was yelling going back and
29:58
forth. There was, you know, threats.
30:01
You come, come on my sideline. It it was everything that was
30:06
wrong and you know, no dis respect to Glassboro.
30:09
They have an outstanding team, 27 wins in a row, but it it was
30:14
just uncalled for. Completely.
30:17
All right, let's get to Brown PO because yeah.
30:19
And then I want to talk. We'll, we'll, we'll wrap things
30:21
up by talking about like the structural difference between
30:25
North Jersey schools and public school North public schools in
30:28
North Jersey and South Jersey. We touch on that with Brian Dunn
30:31
too. Again, I can't emphasize enough
30:34
the idea of maybe going and checking out that interview
30:36
because Brian Dunn is the Dean of head coaches in North Jersey
30:40
at this point pretty much. And he's he he really let it fly
30:44
tonight. So please go listen to that.
30:47
But let's talk about Ramapo. And when you talk, you know,
30:52
Winslow was the team that had so much confidence in itself that
30:55
it scheduled a couple of non publics this year.
30:59
They didn't win, but you know, they certainly felt like they
31:02
had the talent to compete. It didn't go so well in those
31:05
games to be expected when you're doing the, you know, big non
31:08
public against the public school.
31:12
But that's the type of talent that Winslow had and a lot of
31:17
people expected Ram PO to go in there and get shellacked.
31:19
Honestly. I mean, it did factor into my
31:22
decision. I had a credential for that
31:24
game. I would have loved to have seen.
31:26
Ram PO went down there a couple years ago and they played
31:28
mainland at Rutgers. The weather was rough yesterday
31:33
and I thought to myself, like, you know, if this is anything
31:37
like that was two years ago, I'm going to make regret my decision
31:40
driving down the Turnpike on a day like today.
31:43
So I did the same thing. I stayed home and pleasantly
31:48
surprised at how well Ramapo played against Winslow and
31:53
Brian. You know, they gave him a run
31:56
and almost pulled it off. Yeah, you know, they were there
32:00
right there. I think they had to figure it
32:02
out. They had to get their, I guess
32:04
their game legs going. And once they figured it out
32:07
because they were struggling to pass the ball around, PO had a
32:09
hard time, you know, a lot of speed and talent on Winslow.
32:13
But I think what they figured out is we could run the ball and
32:17
they were able to run. Liam Hayward came in and I mean,
32:20
he was the workhorse, got out there.
32:21
I think he was upwards almost 150 yards, carried it 36 times
32:26
the workhorse and it's, it seemed to be I felt if they keep
32:31
running, they have a chance. But at the same time, Corey is,
32:35
you know, with a great game, you went back and forth.
32:37
I think it was a total of 6 lead changes in the game.
32:40
And you know, it's Ramapo was able to get a close cut it to
32:44
12, seven. But it just seemed any time that
32:48
Winslow needed to score, they were able to just push the
32:51
button, throw a couple bombs here and there, find one of the
32:56
receivers, Hendrix, quad Rod Hendricks, the receiver who's
33:00
going to Minnesota. This kid could catch anything.
33:03
Just throw a close to him. He was catching it, diving,
33:06
catching and and he could run. But that it just was, you know,
33:11
a little different in talent. And and the difference was
33:14
Ramapo was able to run, but they needed to have that big play and
33:17
they really never had that big play, whereas in any moment
33:22
Winslow was going to score. So exciting game, good game to
33:25
watch. We enjoyed it.
33:27
Very competitive on Ramapo part. You know, like you said Corey,
33:31
you know Winslow's played two very good teams.
33:33
You know, in those two they played, it was IMG and they
33:37
played Burton Catholic and and we saw last week, the week
33:40
before Holmdale almost beat them.
33:43
The Holmdale was going in the score.
33:44
They could have got a field goal.
33:45
If they got the field goal that would have probably won the
33:48
game. They're playing at Winslow.
33:50
So you thought there was a chance for Ramapo.
33:52
So credit for them. They really fought.
33:55
I think they hung in there. Any other problem too with for
33:58
for Ramapo, they couldn't hold back the Winslow line to protect
34:03
their quarterbacks. So once Casey Grosser was back
34:05
there, he had very little time. So they had a throw quick
34:09
little, you know, RP OS and stuff like that, but they
34:12
couldn't get to him. He had did have one good pass
34:14
down the sideline for about 30-40 yards.
34:16
But overall, I think that was a difficulty.
34:19
They had I guess, a really, really good team loaded with
34:23
players, quarterback who's only a junior Jalen Parker, they are
34:28
defending. These guys were also the
34:29
defending champs. He went now has the record for
34:32
touchdown passes at 107 touchdown passes in New Jersey.
34:37
Previous record was 105. The kid just sits back there
34:41
sitting in the pocket and can just wing the ball around and
34:44
got some excellent receivers in there, you know, and then like I
34:48
said to their defense is solid to a lot of talented kids.
34:51
So, you know, ran PO Hey, good job.
34:56
I think they were up against a tougher opponent for them to
34:59
play and, and they really did well and, and they're in the
35:03
right place. You know, they're one of those
35:04
programs, Old Japan, Ramapo, Northern Highlands, the
35:08
Westwoods, they're right there. And and then they played tough,
35:12
you know, they played Old Japan and, and had and lost Old Japan
35:15
and in a really close game. Yeah, they beat, yeah, they beat
35:20
Philipsburg, who last year they had lost to.
35:22
So, you know, they've met some challenges and, and come back
35:25
and, and won them. So it's a a much success and
35:29
congratulations to Coach Catuso and those guys up there and did
35:32
a great job on a kind of a nasty day, a little rainy and cold,
35:38
not a big crowd, but that's just what it was there around 5:00 at
35:43
Rutgers. Not a big crowd.
35:44
They were both teams were on the same, both fans were on the same
35:47
side of the field and they were separated in the middle.
35:50
They kind of isolated the middle section.
35:52
So no, that was like no man's land and the fans were on
35:56
separated by that center of the the field area.
35:59
So I didn't notice anything, me particularly, I didn't notice
36:01
anything going on any issues in the stands.
36:03
But I heard there was something going on somewhere or another, a
36:07
little controversy up in the stands.
36:10
I didn't know about, but I've heard about it.
36:11
So, but that's not, you know, that's not what you look for.
36:15
You look for a a good game and and it was a good game, both
36:18
teams playing really good and just Ramapo just just a little.
36:22
They were right there every time.
36:24
Like I said, they were right there every time you thought
36:27
they got the lead, but it's almost like they needed to have
36:29
the ball and be within one score, you know, 6 points.
36:34
And if they had the ball they could have won the game, but
36:37
they weren't able to get that. They didn't have a chance.
36:39
They were in like the 40 yard line and they were down by 5,
36:42
but just two sacks and then all of a sudden that kind of that
36:46
was the end of it. So Rambo, the score may say it's
36:50
13 point difference, but it was really a 5 point difference
36:53
there and a very close game. So it's good.
36:56
That's what we like. We don't like blowouts and it
36:59
was a good job, yeah. Well, first of all, I want to
37:02
say that you know, Liam Hayward, one of the best, if not the best
37:06
public school athletes in certainly in Bergen County and
37:10
North Jersey as a whole. I mean, he's a tremendous
37:13
baseball player as well. Good center fielder for the
37:16
group, for the Raiders and obviously a great running back
37:19
for the football program. So a great year for him.
37:22
But Jimmy, I don't know how much you want to more you want to say
37:25
about Ramapo. You certainly have the floor.
37:27
But then we can get into, you know, kind of a tough weekend
37:32
for North Jersey football as the South swept all four of the
37:39
match ups so far with one pending, which is Shabazz
37:43
against Camden. And Shabazz.
37:44
Not really a, you know, the typical team that you think of
37:48
as a North Jersey squad, although they will be
37:50
representing the North and they'll see if they can, as
37:53
Brian Carr likes to say in his tweets, avert the shutout and
37:57
get, you know, get the North on the map.
38:00
But I don't know, Jimmy, what what what do you think about
38:03
round PO? And then what do you think about
38:04
the state of this North-south divide?
38:09
But you mentioned Winslow, I mean the defending champions
38:12
loaded with talent it you know, they hurt themselves a lot in
38:16
the first half with penalty. I mean, they made a ton of
38:20
mistakes. I thought I thought Casey
38:23
Grusher going in was going to was going to keep them in the
38:27
game. Ramapo because of his ability to
38:29
run and throw And you know, listen, they played a good game.
38:33
Unfortunately, they ran into a team that has playmakers and
38:39
when everybody needed a big play, they got it.
38:42
And you know, I, I thought pretty much I thought Ramapo
38:47
outplayed them. It's unfortunate they gave up
38:50
some big, big, big plays. And as Brian mentioned, the
38:54
quarterbacks got 107 career touchdown passes and he is a,
39:00
you know, he's only a junior. So I mean, that'll be probably
39:03
14150 next year before it's all said and done.
39:07
You know, I must say, you know, Winslow, 2 losses, you mentioned
39:11
ING Academy and Bergen Catholics.
39:14
So they, you know, they're not afraid to test themselves.
39:18
You know, again, I know, you know, we're going to talk about
39:20
it, but you know, Winslow, is it a different category?
39:24
I mean, from what I understand, they had up upwards of 35
39:28
transfers. So you know, you're playing in a
39:31
different, you're playing one, you know, one's playing track
39:34
and the other's playing checkers.
39:36
But certainly a great effort by Ramapho and and you would expect
39:40
nothing else from that program at this point.
39:43
No doubt about it. So let's get into it here.
39:45
Is this a? Is this a one off?
39:47
Is this, you know, the way it's going to go from now on?
39:53
I mean, in the 19 state finals played between North and South
39:58
in the public school bracket over the last four years, with
40:00
one game still pending, I believe it is five for the N, 14
40:04
for the South, four and O for the South.
40:07
This year and every year, the divide has grown the the numbers
40:13
of the total points scored for each.
40:16
Let's say geographical region is almost 2 to one for the South.
40:20
So you know, when you say Group One in North Jersey, you have
40:25
the quaint notion, you know, the thought of the Cresskill under
40:28
Bob Valley or the, you know, Great Glen Rock teams back when
40:32
they were a Group One or the 1990 Butler teams.
40:35
And you know, the, the little engines that could and even the,
40:39
you know, Wing T powerhouses, juggernauts of mountain lakes
40:44
and that type of thing. Now, the group, those Group One
40:48
schools playing the NJIC. The NJIC has never been to a
40:53
state final in this current format.
40:56
And it's just a lot different the way the southern schools are
41:01
arranged versus the way the northern schools are arranged.
41:03
And believe me, this is in no way sour grapes.
41:06
Like I, I don't, they're high school athletes.
41:09
I'm rooting for all of them to win all the time.
41:11
I'm not a Homer saying, Oh my God, we got to.
41:14
It's just, you know, facts are facts.
41:16
The numbers are in the South's favor.
41:19
The divide seems to be growing. And, you know, even the group
41:22
ones down South are more of a regional school.
41:24
There are so many factors that play into this.
41:27
Well, Jimmy, I don't, I don't want to monopolize all the time.
41:29
We talked about it a lot with Coach Dunn, but now it's just
41:32
us. We'll add Bryant's take him to
41:33
the mix too, But you know, maybe point out some of the
41:37
differences. Yeah, I mean, you know, we
41:40
talked to let's talk about Bergen County because that's,
41:43
you know, most of our, our teams, we cover how many teams
41:47
are playing football in Bergen County upwards of 4042.
41:52
And you and you've mentioned it, most of them are individual town
41:57
schools. There are some regional schools,
42:00
but most of them, especially the small schools, the Woodridge's,
42:04
the Hasberg Heights, the Wallingtons and so on and so on
42:08
are are single town teams where a lot of these teams that from
42:13
the South are Group 1 regional schools.
42:17
So obviously the amount of kids you could choose from is more.
42:21
The second thing we've talked about, Cory, is the transfer
42:25
situation. In New Jersey.
42:27
We have a lot of kids that will transfer from a public to a
42:32
parochial school, whereas in the South it seems to be more
42:37
prevalent that you have kids from transferring from the
42:40
public to a public school. We mentioned wins, you know,
42:44
Winslow 34 transfers, Glassboro has transfers.
42:48
It's just to see it just seems the way that business is being
42:51
run down in the South. Then the, the, the non and
42:55
Bergen County, Corey, let's not forget and, and within 1015
42:59
miles you have the Paul Paramus Catholic, Bergen Catholic, Saint
43:03
Joe's, Don Bosco. You don't have that.
43:07
The parochial schools are more spread out down the South.
43:10
So you know, they do lose some kids.
43:13
The the Philadelphia Catholic League.
43:15
They might lose a kid to a Saint Augustine or Bishop Eustis, but
43:22
the amount the numbers of those kids leaving are are not as
43:26
prevalent as they are in the North.
43:28
Yes, and not to mention, you know, the other side of the coin
43:31
is that no southern non public has it ever won the non public
43:35
Group A state championship. So you know, the talent
43:41
gravitates to the parochials up here to the public's down there
43:45
and you get what you get. What do you think about it,
43:47
Brian? I mean, as a guy who sees as
43:50
many games as anybody, I mean, really, I put you up there with
43:53
anybody in the state as far as on location, eyes on games, eyes
44:00
on athletes. How do you feel about it?
44:04
I I think the biggest problem you have is liking the case of
44:08
Glassboro. It's a Group One school.
44:10
They they would be group threes, maybe group four teams.
44:15
They're so talented, you know, talent, size, you know, it's
44:20
just not a fair fight. If you imagine any of the most
44:24
of the NGIC teams trying to play Glassboro, it's just not a fair
44:31
fight. That's that's the concern you
44:34
have is there's just such a difference.
44:36
It's just like years ago when the Catholic schools up here, I
44:39
remember Saint Joe's was playing old Japan.
44:44
It's got to be 1015 years ago. I was worried about it was
44:48
Jordan Fuller was playing at the time for old Japan who went into
44:52
the NFL and I was worried about him getting hurt because he was
44:56
playing one of the Harris brothers, Charles Harris
44:58
brothers. And it was like, whoa.
45:01
So it's just not, you know, you got to figure, I don't know how
45:04
you're going to do it down there.
45:06
They just have an advantage. Like Jimmy had said, they're
45:09
they're going public to public. You're seeing it here.
45:11
We talk about Winslow, the kid, the the I just mentioned the
45:15
receiver Hendrix, he's a transfer, set out the first 3-4
45:19
games this year. Good player at Burlington, a
45:22
very good program. He transfers in and comes in in
45:26
the oh, he's a star. So he's already a star, but
45:30
they're just adding to the mix. They're already a good team and
45:33
that like I said, yeah, the quarterback in here, he's a
45:35
leading touchdown thrower in the state.
45:38
So it's I don't know, I think what's got to happen last year
45:43
wasn't right. The state announced any team
45:45
like that. Where you win the state
45:47
championship and they're going to force him to go up.
45:50
So I don't know if that's for the answer because I think
45:53
that's going to happen. Like Shabazz, they've they were
45:55
one. Now they're 2, supposed to go to
45:58
three, so they go. To battle 3, which is, you know,
46:03
like nobody. Shabazz can compete in three,
46:06
Glassboro can complete in two. And you know, like the the
46:10
lucky, not the luckiest one, but the most the the North Jersey
46:15
program that's going to be able to take the most advantage is
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Ramapo, because Ramapo is going to go up to five.
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And, you know, just judging by the state of Group 5 the last
46:25
couple of years, they probably got their best shot to win a
46:27
state championship there, you know, out of anywhere.
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And the other reason why I feel like this, you know, success
46:36
penalty, let's call it, is a little bit bogus is because, you
46:41
know, like, Passaic Tech can be a behemoth.
46:43
They can pull in every kid in Passaic County, well, within the
46:47
rules. You know, Now, I'm not saying
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they're doing anything wrong or whatever, but, you know, their
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charter is to educate Passaic County kids.
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So they're going to pull all the best students, all the best
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athletes. They'll put them there.
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And if they do go on a run where, you know, what happens to
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them, there's no Group 6. So they could win five straight
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state championships and nothing happens.
47:09
Meanwhile, old Japan, which, as I said in the Brian Dunn
47:12
interview, Jimmy, like it's, it's, it's almost like a, you
47:15
know, like The Big Bang theory. It's, it's a, a one of the
47:19
lifetime thing that a, that a, a program like an old Japan.
47:22
And I just don't want to use old Japan, but they're the current
47:24
example of it. You know, we've seen, you know,
47:27
like the a Glen Rock of the early 2000s, of a Butler of the
47:30
90s, those teams where you have that shooting comet and they
47:35
take advantage of their opportunity.
47:37
But then you get penalized for that.
47:39
You know, You know, it's, you know, Riverdale, Ultipan used to
47:44
be a great robbery. I mean, Ultipan smoked them
47:46
twice this year. But does that mean that
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Riverdale with all their tradition, with all their
47:50
resources and everything else to sit, does it mean that Riverdale
47:52
can never beat Ultipan again? You know, is that, is that the
47:57
way they're they're thinking about this like old Japan is too
48:01
good? I, I, I got to stop using old
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Japan. It's just the one closest to my
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front door here. But you know, eventually
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Glassboro is going to lose to somebody eventually, you know,
48:12
you know, Wayne Hills was the undefeated juggernaut years ago
48:15
and times move on. So I I don't understand
48:18
penalizing success should settle.
48:23
You know, Corey, I agree with you because you know, everybody
48:27
likes a dynasty, you know, and, and old Japan, for lack of a
48:32
better word, is a dynasty right now in New Jersey.
48:35
Their their success. As I mentioned, the coach Dunn,
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you know, they've become a victim of their success.
48:41
I mean, you know, they, they're losing to a very good team the
48:45
other night and everybody's saying, well, what what's wrong
48:48
with old Japan? Well, maybe the maybe the other
48:52
team is just better. And I and I give Coach Don all
48:55
the credit in the world because that's basically what he said.
48:58
You know, they're, they're better.
49:00
They're they were better than us.
49:04
Yeah, crazy. You know.
49:06
Yeah, it just, it just seems like, you know, like they're
49:10
doing everything they can to keep good teams away from each
49:13
other. You know what I mean?
49:14
Like no more loaded brat. It's no, you know, watered down
49:17
16 teams in a, in a northing number.
49:20
Like the term northing. It does have no other practical
49:24
use in the English language. Like I don't know who made it up
49:26
or who thought of it, but it's not a thing.
49:29
It's really not. And you know, for another
49:33
another issue in North Jersey it the decline of the inner city
49:39
programs. Yes, you know, Hackens.
49:42
When was the last Hackensack team where you can say was a
49:46
threat to win a championship an East side at Kennedy, Passaic,
49:52
Elizabeth Union. You know, those teams are
49:56
struggling. The inner city teams appear to
49:59
be struggling, which is also, you know, hurting the North
50:03
Jersey football when when it's time to play the South, you
50:07
know, So a lot of reasons. The answer is a lot of lessons,
50:12
You know, cycles, things go in cycles.
50:15
Who knows, five years from now it might slip.
50:18
But I, you know, you said a couple of times of people that
50:20
have listened to the show, you've mentioned week in and
50:24
week out how there are a lack of competitive games.
50:28
Yes, you know, and they're blowouts, which tells you the
50:32
the overall depth of teams in in North Jersey isn't, you know,
50:37
you have some very good teams, but you also have some very poor
50:40
teams and and I think that that hurts us ultimately too.
50:46
Couldn't agree more, Bryce. Final thoughts of the year on
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the football show. Another great season.
50:51
I should just my final words are just thank you both again for
50:56
another great season. I mean, I'd look forward to
50:58
Monday nights with you guys. It's just a it's a part of my
51:01
schedule. You know, I, I enjoy it.
51:04
We have a lot of laughs, we say a lot of crazy things and it, it
51:10
really, it really is a joy to follow high school football with
51:13
you guys. And I marvel at the amount of
51:16
miles you put in on the road to get to games week in and week
51:19
out. It's great.
51:20
So your final thoughts, Brian? Hey, Corey, I was along the same
51:24
lines. You know, it's great to be here.
51:26
I've enjoyed it. It's been what, 10 years or so
51:28
I've been on here. It doesn't seem like 10 years.
51:30
Maybe it's 11, maybe it's 11 on whatever it is.
51:33
But you know what we we, we always do this.
51:36
I always tell coaches, we thank you.
51:38
It's the coaches who really make it what it is.
51:41
The athletic directors too. We said that earlier, great
51:44
athletic directors all over here in Bergen County and all over
51:47
that, you know, they're the ones who are good to us, welcome us.
51:50
We see them at the field and we enjoy it.
51:54
And obviously the end, it's the players, you know, it's what
51:56
that's why we go. That's why I enjoy it.
51:58
I enjoy seeing the kids succeed, the coaches, what they do to
52:02
help these kids succeed. It helps them in life to be
52:06
prepared. So they're going to be, they're
52:08
going to work. They're going to be on a team
52:09
their whole life. You're going to be part of a
52:11
group and you need to know, you need to show up beyond time.
52:14
And I thank you for all you guys do and look forward to next year
52:19
and we'll be here before you know it core.
52:22
You're not kidding, 'cause we're 15 episodes this year eats up a
52:25
third of the year, so we only got 2/3 before Jimmy will take
52:29
in a Woodridge baseball season and then we'll start thinking
52:32
about Season 14 Episode 1. So great stuff.
52:37
Thank you all for following along and we'll see you next
52:39
time on the Football Show. Follow the leader.