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Bachelor Boys Night · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with i R Radio, another almost Famous podcast. This week
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  Speaker 1: We're pumped to be talking today. It's me again, yeah
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  Speaker 1: Ben uh, and today is a boy's episode. Ashley had
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  Speaker 1: her time with the girls, now I'm gonna have my
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  Speaker 1: time with two boys today on the podcast, we have
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  Speaker 1: some special guests are Lion Dyke who was the Bachelor,
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  Speaker 1: and Jason Mesnick who was a bachelor, and then myself
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  Speaker 1: who was a bachelor at one point. We're here today
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  Speaker 1: to talk about what it's like, uh, to fall in love,
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  Speaker 1: to switch maybe our interest at times, and ultimately to
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  Speaker 1: find the one that was always meant for us. Our
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  Speaker 1: first guest is a guy who knows what it's like
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  Speaker 1: to do the switch, but also to find love in
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  Speaker 1: the end and the love that is ever lasting and
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  Speaker 1: a love that is beautiful. In fact, before we brought
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  Speaker 1: him on the podcast, he was actually holding his new
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  Speaker 1: beautiful daughter uh and had to pass it off to
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  Speaker 1: his wonderful wife before he started talking. Our Lindyke. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the Almost Famous podcast. What's up? How are you buddy?
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  Speaker 1: I'm good man. Hey. First off, let's talk about your
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  Speaker 1: life before we get into the mess that was Peter's season,
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  Speaker 1: especially the conclusion, Uh, you are a dad, you are
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  Speaker 1: a husband? Wow? How quickly? Uh, world's flip and things happen.
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  Speaker 1: How are you holding up? Things are good, you know,
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  Speaker 1: luckily it's really nice weather here in Arizona, US. We've been,
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  Speaker 1: you know, going on walks and going on bike rides,
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  Speaker 1: but kind of avoiding big crowds. And but yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: been good. You know. I think that it's some obviously
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  Speaker 1: stressful for everyone, but we've been taking care of our neighbors,
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  Speaker 1: went to the grocery store for our neighbor who's elderly.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just been It's interesting, but you know, it
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  Speaker 1: keeps us home. We're watching a lot of TV, and
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  Speaker 1: obviously we watched Peter season um and it was very
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  Speaker 1: very entertaining a lot to say, yeah, well let's dive
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  Speaker 1: into it man. Uh speaking of entertaining, Uh, we we
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  Speaker 1: saw the whole season mixed reviews throughout the season. Right.
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  Speaker 1: We came into it with high expectations for Peter. I
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  Speaker 1: had high expectations for him. I know him personally. He
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  Speaker 1: is a great dude. Uh. He's really a kind man
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  Speaker 1: who was always great to me. That allowed me to
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  Speaker 1: kind of involve myself when he needed me into his
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  Speaker 1: bachelor experience. However, some of his probably I guess biggest
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  Speaker 1: false one would be his uh just how nice he
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  Speaker 1: is uh forced him to not put his foot down
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  Speaker 1: maybe as much as he should have all the way
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  Speaker 1: leading up to the very end when he proposed to Hannah.
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  Speaker 1: And my question for you are and let's talk about
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  Speaker 1: it together, as he should he have ever proposed to Hannah.
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  Speaker 1: I think in that moment, you know, you're trying to
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  Speaker 1: do what's write for yourself and what you think, um
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  Speaker 1: is probably right for the situation. You know. I think
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure that comes with uh proposal
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  Speaker 1: day sleep, coming from somebody who proposes somebody and then
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  Speaker 1: had some second thoughts on it immediately after. I can
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  Speaker 1: see the pressure of having to propose that day, UM,
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  Speaker 1: So I can sort of see where his mindset where
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  Speaker 1: it was on that level. The only thing I don't
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  Speaker 1: agree with was, you know, obviously Madison left, and his
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  Speaker 1: heart seemed to be really with Madison, so it almost
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  Speaker 1: felt like a second choice. Uh. And also to make
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  Speaker 1: Madison and to to you know, obviously say her name
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  Speaker 1: during the proposal was a bit odd to me because
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  Speaker 1: you could see his head was still sort of in
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  Speaker 1: that space. Um, So I guess the short answer is, no,
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  Speaker 1: he shouldn't have proposed. I guess the more complicated answer
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  Speaker 1: is is that you know, as we all know, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of pressure that comes with proposing at the
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  Speaker 1: end of this television show, and I think that got
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  Speaker 1: to him. Let's sit there for a thing, because you
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  Speaker 1: and I can both late on this, right. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's I didn't propose to the woman that I didn't
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  Speaker 1: end up choosing. Um, but I did say publicly that
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  Speaker 1: I fell in love with two women and then neither
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  Speaker 1: relationship worked out for me, And so I can see
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  Speaker 1: the turmoil and the confusion on that last day and
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  Speaker 1: how hard it is to know that you have two
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  Speaker 1: people that you care a lot about and that you
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  Speaker 1: believe you care a lot about standing in front of you,
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  Speaker 1: knowing that somebody is going to go home, or in
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  Speaker 1: Peter's case, somebody already did go home. For any out
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  Speaker 1: there listening, are tell us what it is like to
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  Speaker 1: stand up there and how confusing it is leading up
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  Speaker 1: to those last moments, Like, just emotionally, just walk us
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  Speaker 1: through what it's like even the night before as you
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  Speaker 1: start to process what you're gonna do. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: really nerve wracking. You know, I can only draw from
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  Speaker 1: my experience, and you know, I had this overwhelming feeling
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  Speaker 1: that um I think from the beginning of the show,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of these uh decisions that are made almost
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  Speaker 1: become more than just your own opinion, but the opinion
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  Speaker 1: of people around you. And you know, you really don't
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  Speaker 1: have that many people to lean on because your family
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  Speaker 1: only meets the girls for one afternoon and it's really
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  Speaker 1: hard to you know, side one way or the other.
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  Speaker 1: And to sort of get help from your family is
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  Speaker 1: also really challenging because they really aren't seeing the big picture. UM.
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  Speaker 1: I could see that he had a lot of pressure
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  Speaker 1: from his family, UM, you know, to get engaged to Hannah,
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  Speaker 1: and they seem to really favor her, which didn't help
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  Speaker 1: going into the last week that you know, he was facing.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that big thing for me is, um
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  Speaker 1: I really leaned on the people around me, and at
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  Speaker 1: the time, I hate to talk about it because it's
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  Speaker 1: already kind of hard to talk about. But Lauren is
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  Speaker 1: more the risk. She was more the risk because she
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  Speaker 1: had trouble opening up. We didn't really develop as far
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  Speaker 1: along as other relationships because she was nervous in front
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  Speaker 1: of cameras. And I know how much I cared about her,
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  Speaker 1: but I was so scared to take that risk. And
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  Speaker 1: I think in the same sort of situation you saw
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  Speaker 1: as soon as Mats and left, I feel like his
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  Speaker 1: his focus change because Hannahan was always there for him.
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  Speaker 1: She was so um she was basically bending over backwards
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that he was okay, that his heart
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  Speaker 1: was okay. And you know, she was a great individual,
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  Speaker 1: great woman, and I feel like she was a great choice.
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  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you really have
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  Speaker 1: to think, to think hard and really understand, you know,
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  Speaker 1: where your emotions are. And I think that's something that
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  Speaker 1: I obviously had difficulty with um and he did too.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that the wrong was to um ignore
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  Speaker 1: those feelings and to just go with what everyone else
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  Speaker 1: thought was the best option for him and UM in
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  Speaker 1: a small way, I could definitely relate to that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and we say all of this, and I can I
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  Speaker 1: just hear the listeners now for both of us is
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  Speaker 1: how can you be critical of Peter when you've been
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  Speaker 1: in that position and you know. Are you and I
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  Speaker 1: have have done? You know this in different ways but
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  Speaker 1: have similar storylines to how this played out for us.
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  Speaker 1: What we're saying is you learn from experience, like are
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  Speaker 1: you and I both have been there? We we've we've
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  Speaker 1: experienced those last few hours, We've experienced those last few days.
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  Speaker 1: It's not easy. It is confusing. Uh. You get infiltrated
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  Speaker 1: with knowledge from different and from different emotions and feelings
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  Speaker 1: from different levels, from different people. And the one thing
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  Speaker 1: you said there are that I want to sit on
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  Speaker 1: for a second is how important the family is in
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  Speaker 1: this decision, which is why I think a wise family
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  Speaker 1: and why it probably upset me the most this whole
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  Speaker 1: season is never Peter personally didn't upset me. It was
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  Speaker 1: how his family handled it. Is how passionate they were
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  Speaker 1: about being right and that they knew what's best when
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  Speaker 1: they had just gotten there Like that is so unfair
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  Speaker 1: to him, which led him to situation that he's in
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  Speaker 1: now after the final UH finale, which is no press,
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  Speaker 1: nobody's talking about it. He feels probably pretty isolated. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure he's back down fine terms with his family, but
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  Speaker 1: how I mean, did your family what was their experience
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  Speaker 1: like on the show, because I know for mine, they cared,
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  Speaker 1: they wanted to be in the know, but they didn't
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  Speaker 1: speak up too strongly because they're aware that they hadn't
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  Speaker 1: been around for like three months this whole thing was
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  Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, I think I was definitely looking for
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  Speaker 1: some clarity for my family, and you know, they didn't
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  Speaker 1: really give me that clarity because I felt like they
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  Speaker 1: felt Both women in the end were you know, great,
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  Speaker 1: great women, and they were great choices for me, but
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  Speaker 1: so they really you know, lead it up to me
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  Speaker 1: and they didn't sway me one way or the other.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine being, you know, in love with someone
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  Speaker 1: and then my family saying that that person is not
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  Speaker 1: right for me, you know, because I would almost push
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  Speaker 1: me more towards them for some reason. I don't know why,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, I could. Peter's family it was frustrating to
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  Speaker 1: watch too, because you wanted them. You're just kind of
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  Speaker 1: sitting on her couch going like just support him, just
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  Speaker 1: like lift him up, you know, and I felt like
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  Speaker 1: they were helping tear him down. And it just was
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  Speaker 1: so hard to watch because you know, at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, your family is all you've got. And
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  Speaker 1: it's just so hard that he didn't get that support.
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  Speaker 1: And I really did feel for him. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you know much about how this looks kind
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  Speaker 1: of after the fact, but obviously at this point Peter
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  Speaker 1: doesn't feel like he has the support as viewers were
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  Speaker 1: watching it going, It doesn't feel like he has the
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  Speaker 1: support from his family. You've been in a situation of
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  Speaker 1: extreme difficulty where it feels like, I mean, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to speak for you. You You can agree to disagree.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like the world from vattination is screaming at you.
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing? Uh? This is wrong, this is
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  Speaker 1: me whatever. You probably feel pretty alone. What do you
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  Speaker 1: think Peter's feeling like right now? Since all this has
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  Speaker 1: gone down end? It was just announced this week that
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  Speaker 1: Madison and Peter are no longer together either. So now,
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  Speaker 1: what is it like to sit in that season of thinking,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I've made not made a mistake necessarily,
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  Speaker 1: but like the world's out getting Yeah. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, it's tough, you know. I feel like he's
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  Speaker 1: recovering pretty well though he's hanging out with Kylie Jenner heard,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know what that is all about and
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  Speaker 1: like just the whole Like Mathison hanging out with Sleena Gomez.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, where are we in this world where all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden we're hanging out with Selena Gomez and
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  Speaker 1: Kylie Jenner like the next day. But um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously he's probably feeling very alone right now and you
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  Speaker 1: just gotta lean on your friends. And um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we had that same situation Laura and I, but we
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  Speaker 1: had each other and we knew that we were going
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  Speaker 1: to last. We knew we were gonna get married and
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  Speaker 1: to have kids, like that's all we wanted for for
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  Speaker 1: our little family, and you know, our immediate family supported us.
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  Speaker 1: That really felt good. Um, and the decision that I made.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I've talked with all my friends about it,
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  Speaker 1: talked with my family about it, and everyone was on
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  Speaker 1: board because they knew that I wasn't happy and they
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  Speaker 1: knew that Lauren was the person for me. After I
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  Speaker 1: talked to them for weeks on end about you know,
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  Speaker 1: feeling conflicted and what should I do and the world's
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  Speaker 1: gonna hate me, and they just said, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: this is a television show. This is gonna be two
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  Speaker 1: weeks of your life where people are going to be
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  Speaker 1: up in arms, but it's the rest of your life.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to make that decision for you. Um. And
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  Speaker 1: that's sort of where I kind of, you know, cast
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  Speaker 1: that judgment aside and said, this is what I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to do, and if people aren't okay with it, then
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  Speaker 1: they're just gonna have to get over it, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And I just for Peter. I just feel for him
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  Speaker 1: because it's just the ending that no one wanted. You know,
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  Speaker 1: everyone wants to see somebody happy at the end of this,
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  Speaker 1: and I think genuinely people really felt bad for Peter,
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  Speaker 1: where I think that was a little bit opposite of
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  Speaker 1: my season. People were just angry at me. Um. I
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  Speaker 1: think it helped his case that Hannah and didn't become
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  Speaker 1: Bachelorette because they would have lifted her up more and
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  Speaker 1: I think they would have, you know, played more of
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  Speaker 1: the sinister role on his side of things. Um. And
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  Speaker 1: so I think they were a little I think they
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  Speaker 1: were pretty easy on him, to be honest, um. But hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with the ending that we got and you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's not with Maddie anymore, I'm happy that they weren't
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  Speaker 1: harder on him. And I feel like the overall concerned
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  Speaker 1: or the overall feeling of this ending is a feeling
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  Speaker 1: of feeling bad for everyone involved. And I think the
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  Speaker 1: biggest hate that anyone received was Barbed at the end
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  Speaker 1: of So maybe maybe that was a tactical decision for
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  Speaker 1: Barbed to be so over the top so that it
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  Speaker 1: would take the heat off of Peter. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I did. I think I saw a tweet. I mean
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  Speaker 1: maybe Ashley or somebody tweeted like what if it was
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  Speaker 1: genius a Barbed to say, oh my gosh, my son's
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  Speaker 1: getting hate. I'm gonna throw myself the grenade and take
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  Speaker 1: one for the team. And I mean literally, it is impressive.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know Barbed personally at all. I do,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, no Peter, and I like Peter, but
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  Speaker 1: it is impressive that somebody can literally be on the
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  Speaker 1: TV for like a half of episode in total and
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  Speaker 1: coust so much hysterica, like it's it's insane to me.
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  Speaker 1: Are you mentioned it earlier? And I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: to phrase this question, um, so if it comes off wrong,
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  Speaker 1: just ask for follow up here. Um, but you called
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  Speaker 1: Lauren a risk and they said this during my season
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  Speaker 1: A lot when I was kind of coming down to
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  Speaker 1: the final decision was as we talked it through, it's like, hey, one,
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  Speaker 1: you know what you're getting, at least you think you
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  Speaker 1: know you're getting. The other one is a risk because
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  Speaker 1: maybe the relationship isn't there yet, or maybe the family
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  Speaker 1: looks at it a little uh like maybe hasn't accepted
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  Speaker 1: you in yet or whatever. But both And we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have Jason Mesnick on here and just a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason we're doing this episode is because all
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  Speaker 1: of our stories are are similar in some way to
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  Speaker 1: Peters and we can all relate with the switcher rou
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  Speaker 1: or you can relate with the mixed emotions or you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe falling in love with multiple people those kind of things.
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  Speaker 1: But for you and Jason, you did the switcher rou
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  Speaker 1: and it worked, and it worked really well for both
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  Speaker 1: of you. Why do you think it has worked? And
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  Speaker 1: and I mean you have marriages and kids now, Like
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  Speaker 1: this isn't this work like where it's like, oh cool,
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  Speaker 1: they have a bachelor relationship. Now you are married with
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  Speaker 1: kids and so is Jason. Why why is the switcher
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  Speaker 1: rou a moment of such clarity? And I mean, maybe
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  Speaker 1: you could tell me if I'm wrong. I don't remember
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  Speaker 1: a switcher rous necessarily not working well. I think because
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  Speaker 1: and that this is just coming from my perspective. You know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously there's people that hearts get broken in the process,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, in any breakup that's the case, and
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  Speaker 1: you know there's I think both with Jason and either
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  Speaker 1: was never the intention of hurting anyone. And I just
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  Speaker 1: want people to know that I think that as an
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  Speaker 1: amazing woman, and I'm so happy that she's happy and
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  Speaker 1: she had her time on the Bachelorette and I and
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  Speaker 1: I really was. It was really nice to see that
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  Speaker 1: she got her happy ending and I'm really I just
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  Speaker 1: want to kind of say that first before I get
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  Speaker 1: into this next piece. UM. I think the risk it
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  Speaker 1: takes to break off an engagement in front of eight
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  Speaker 1: million people and cast that aside because that relationship there
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  Speaker 1: was something there for you to get engaged, Otherwise you
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have done it. So that person obviously does mean
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  Speaker 1: a lot to you, but you you knew in your
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  Speaker 1: heart that this other person could be your forever love.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that the bravery it takes to do
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  Speaker 1: that is something that um not only um my family
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  Speaker 1: realized what I was doing, but also Lauren realized what
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  Speaker 1: I was doing, and I was going to face a
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  Speaker 1: lot of judgment, and it's because of love. Like I
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  Speaker 1: just wanted something that I knew would as the lifetime,
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  Speaker 1: and when I realized that that Lauren was that person, um,
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  Speaker 1: it almost didn't matter what you know, general public thought,
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  Speaker 1: with the viewers at home thought like I knew what
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  Speaker 1: was right, and that was an overwhelming feeling that I
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  Speaker 1: just couldn't um cast aside. And so I think that
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  Speaker 1: with Jason and myself knowing that that's the person for
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  Speaker 1: me and the person for him, like the risk is
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  Speaker 1: worth it. So I think this ending was different because
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  Speaker 1: Chris is the one that sort of orchestrated or tried
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  Speaker 1: to orchestrate this um rekindling of Maddie and Peter's relationship.
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  Speaker 1: I think if it would have came from Peter, Peter
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  Speaker 1: would have been like, no, this is what I gotta
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  Speaker 1: do and ran after Maddie. I think the situation would
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  Speaker 1: be different. Obviously the broken up it didn't work and
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  Speaker 1: it should have probably been left alone. UM. But I
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  Speaker 1: think in Jason's case and in my case, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the the risk was worth it and it was because
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  Speaker 1: there was just an overwhelming feeling of knowing us right.
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  Speaker 1: I I'm sorry to like just continue to sit on things,
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  Speaker 1: but I think it's important because it's intriguing to me.
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  Speaker 1: Is when you what does it feel like to know
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  Speaker 1: what's right? Like, can you walk us through at least
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  Speaker 1: your experience when you're with somebody you're tossing and turning.
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  Speaker 1: There's obviously anxiety that's involved as and I say this
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: even with the perspective of Peter has gotta been feeling
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: this and then you finally put your foot in the
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: ground and you say, I've got to make this decision,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: like I have to do this. What what is that
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: process and experience, like, especially knowing very well that there's
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: gonna be millions upon millions upon millions of people that
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: are watching this, knowing this and invested into this. Yeah, well,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I think for me, you know, you know, going back
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: on that time on the show, you know, the night
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: before the proposal, I was pretty torn because, um, you know,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: everyone was saying, like, you know, this person is good
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: for you, you know what you have. You know, she's
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: she's an incredible woman, and she's in you know, the
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: relationship I had with Becca was very easy going. She's
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: she's so easy to talk to, She's very comfortable from
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: the cameras, and it progressed slowly, but it was like,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: you know, it's something that was very solid. Um. The
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: relationship with Lauren, you know, there was an undeniable pulled
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: towards each other. We had a little trouble communicating, you know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: there was times where I didn't know if she really
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: liked me, so it was kind of a risk, you know,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: And and towards the end, she finally sort of told
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: me how she felt. And it was this relationship I
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: had established the entire time was sort of always the
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: one that was in the back of my head with
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Becca because it was solid, and now we had this,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I had this feeling of just like wanting to know
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: more about Lauren. But I also I also felt like
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: it was a little bit risky because I didn't really
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: know where she stood um and she had really a
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: tough time on camera. So the only time that I
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: could really get a glimpse of her was kind of
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: like in between shots, or sometimes would be in a
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: car together heading to a different location, and all of
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: a sudden I would see this like different person. So
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: when overnight's happened. There was a shift all of a sudden,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: and I realized, you know, that I really cared for Lauren,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: and that I was in love with her, and I
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: knew other in love with her, but that I knew
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: a different side of her at that point. So I
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: got down to the final moments, and you know, I
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: was having to make my decision, and I just remember
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of production was saying, like reminding me the
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: things that I talked about in past, you know, with Becca,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: and reminding me of the concerns I had with Lauren,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: and it just kind of got in my head and
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I just thought, this is the right decision for me,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: based on, um, you know what, what's good on paper.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Weird thing to think about when you're the bad where
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: you have to make some types of decisions, like it's
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: a logical decision or this an emotional decision. And you know,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I'm not young, you know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I want I wanted to be married. I want to
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: move forward with my life with somebody, and I felt
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: like this was like a very solid decision. And then
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: when I made the decision, just the thought of Lauren
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: kept creeping in and Um, you know, I had trouble
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: sleeping at night, and you know, her birthday was right
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: after proposal day a couple of days later, and her
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: shoes stick on the way home from a producer, and
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I've thought about, you know, how she was feeling, and
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: and it just like never went away, and it just
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: it built more and more. And I was very open
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: with Becca during that time, and you know, I would
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: tell her, hey, look, I'm thinking about Lauren, and I'm
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: so sorry that I'm thinking about her. But you know,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: it's such a a weird way to end a relationship
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: and start a new one. And she always said to me,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: you know, once you're fully in and once you're fully
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: two feet into this relationship, let me know. And that
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: was sort of, um, something that we always talked about
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: and obviously never got there and then we broke up.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: But she was very supportive of me, and we were
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: very open and we talked a lot about it. And
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: you know, I feel terribly about the fact that I
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: had to talk about this with her because you know,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: she was my fiance at the time, and it's just
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: so hard to think back on that time because you know,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of emotions were happening, and um,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: so you know, fast forward to you know, it was
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: right before New Year's and you know New Year's you
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: always think about the one person you want to kiss
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: on New Year's Eve, and I just had this overwhelming
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: feeling that I had to be with Lauren. And that's
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: sort of when the ball started rolling. So it was
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: about a month of um, being engaged to Rebecca and
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: and then realizing that I needed to be with Lawrence.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: So and then once that ball ball started rolling, production
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: jumped on it and they really sort of drove home
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, we want to showcase this
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: as a more of a love story. I mean, people
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: always sort of argue with me on this, but um,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm no dummy. You know, I know that
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: if things get put on camera, then there's maybe a
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: way that she could have became the bachelorette. And I
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: feel like production with anything at that, not that they
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: tell me who they're going to pick or who they're
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: not going to pick, but they said, you know, she
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: would have that possible opportunity if we film things, because
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: it would give her time to heal, in time to
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: move on from it, and we could all explain it
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: on a f R and you know, hopefully we both
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: get a happy ending out of all this, and that's
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: sort of how the thing went. Because of Jason's season,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: it was such a shock for everybody a live show.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: There was no one in the audience. It was just
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Chris Jason, and you know, the two of them, and
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: it was sort of awkward and it was difficult, and
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: you know, Melissa Eyecroft felt completely blindsided. And I wanted
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to I wanted to basically give everyone the opportunity to
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: go along with me on this because I feel like
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: that's what the whole show was anyway, and I felt
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: it would give people more context, and obviously I was
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: being pushed to do that at the same point by production.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: You know who at the time, or your best friends,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: and they were the people that you lead on for
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: advice and so just looking back on all that, it
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: was a wild time. But I feel like, you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: there was this overwhelming feeling that I had to do
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: what was right for me, and I just knew that
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Lauren was the person that I'd spent the rest of
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: my life with and that's what I needed to pursue.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: It is a crazy story and and r I'll say this.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know if anyways ever told you this. It
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: is now and I always has been. I guess a
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: beautiful love story bringing you now, uh to your daughter
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Lessie who was born on May of two thousan nineteen,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: and your terrific wife who has came from this experience.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Ari and Lauren will celebrate you as well as Leslie
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: on this podcast. Thanks for coming on and sharing your
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: insights today, I think, uh, and I know what it
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: will do is allow our listeners to get a perspective
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and hopefully relate with Peter a little bit. Also know that, hey,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: he was under some tough, tough circumstances. And all we
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: hope for now is what we've said really since your season,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: because we change our perspective on this podcast, is we
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: just hope for a happy ending for everybody, somehow, some way,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Ari B. Lindyke, thank you for coming on the almost
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: famous podcast and talking to us about what it's like
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: to do the switcher rue if it works or sometimes doesn't. Thanks, funny,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Hey, thanks all right, all right, take you easy.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: We're gonna take a breaking come back and talk with
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Jason Mesnick, the original switcher ruwer er Er. This is
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: a boy's podcast. There are no UH women guests today
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: because we're talking about from a bachelor perspective what it's
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: like to fall from for multiple people UH. And two
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: people that are on the podcast actually went back and
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: did a switcher rue. That was our right Lion Dyke,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: who most recently did it UH with his now wife
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: UH and mother of his child, Lauren. And we also
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: have Jason Mesnick, one of my favorite people in the world,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: now on the line talking about his experience as the
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Bachelor and what it's like to do the switcher rue. Jason,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the almost famous podcast. What's up, Buddy,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: famous favorite people in the world. I love you, buddy.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I I think you know that. Yeah, thank buddy. I
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I just recently saw Jason and Seattle at the Bachelor
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Live on stage show and at the time I was
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: hosting it on, Jason and his wife are out there
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: with me on stage helping pass out a group date card.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: We're kind of laughing at the time of what life
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: would look like if the coronavirus spread, because we had
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: just gotten word. I think that week that the very
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: first case was in Seattle and now look at us, Jason.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I'm at home in Indiana with my parents, and well,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I guess you're probably still in Seattle. But wow, how
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: life changes. Man, It is crazy, and you know, because
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: it's being here. I live in Kirkland where that um,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: those first cases came out at a senior home in
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: my hometown, so we were kind of feeling these the
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: virus really early on, just in just here in Kirkland.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's interesting. How how has it
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: affected your life if you if you've been around U
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: since the beginning, Uh, you're one of the first cases
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: were really close to your hometow I mean it's in
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: your hometown. Has it affected your day to day life
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: at all? Well, one, you know, there's no school, So
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: the biggest thing is, you know, they initially canceled school
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: for two weeks and then as of a week ago,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: they canceled it for the next month and a half.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: A lot of it is, you know, parenting and trying
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, how do we balance you know,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: our work if we can go into work with you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: kind of a summer schedule for the kids. So that's
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: probably the biggest challenge I think for every parent. Has
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: it spread I mean, just to be clear again, you
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the first case of coronavirus was detected in the city
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: that you live in. Has it spread quickly throughout the
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: city or has it felt like it's been a pretty
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: isolated incident. No. I mean I think the numbers show
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: that I think that there's um, you know, hundreds of
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: cases now. Um. And you know, again, the people that
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: we're seeing, you know, that are severely affected, are people
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: that are you know, uh, compromised immune systems. Um, but
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: there are you know, I was you know, I'm in
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: real estate, so weirdly enough, Uh, the real estate market
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: hasn't slowed down at all. You know, people are buying
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: houses like crazy because they it still need places to
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: live in. Interest rates are really low. But in any stance,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: like if you're like what I see in my day
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: to day, if you're trying to sell a house, you
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: may not want people in your house at all, you know,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: just the fear of spreading the virus. So you are
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: seeing you are seeing. I mean, nothing is really open
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: right now as of as of today, the only things
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: that are open are really pharmacies and supermarkets. Jeez man,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: that is I don't know how to digest it like
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: it's nothing we've ever seen. Like I remember where I
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: was and what was happening at nine eleven. But this,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: you know, it didn't physically, you know, impact my day
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: to day life outside of watching the news. This is everywhere.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: You know, you can't go to a restaurant, you can't
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: go to bar. Every gym's closed down as of this morning. Um.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: And then all of our kids are at home like
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: it's summer, and you know, the kids don't care. The
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: kids feel like it's summertime. Uh yeah, I can't imagine
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: what's life right now to be a parent, and your
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: kids don't probably, I mean especially younger kids don't understand
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: what's going on. They don't understand how uh in a
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: sense critical this time is. And so yeah, they're out
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: there is laughing and joining themselves when you go the park,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: when you go to movies, et cetera, and you have
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: to tell them sorry, Like you can go to the park,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: maybe you can walk like through the trails in the woods,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: you can kind of like get out and run around
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: the street. But for the most part, kids, you've got
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: to be stuck inside. It's gotta be a crazy time
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: to be a parent. Yeah, I mean just weird. You know,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I think we're we're still trying to like, you know,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: it's okay to go outside, but you know, you're not
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: tackling your friends like you would if you see somebody,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: you know, it's you know, the people around here, at
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: least the experts are saying, you know, it's okay to
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: go out and do things. It's okay to want to walk,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: it's okay to go on a hike. You know, it's
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: okay to do those things. But just don't, you know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: wrestle with people. Like, if you're gonna wrestle with your friends,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: don't do that kind of thing if you're a kid. Yeah. Well,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know the last time you're wrestling with your friends, Jason,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: But it's been a while that I've wrestled with mine,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: so I think we're good there. Um Jason speaking of wrestling. Uh,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: switching gears from the coronavirus because today's podcast is a
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: boy's focused podcast with bachelors who have fallen from people
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: one time or done the switcher rou and we're obviously
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: referencing Peter's season of the Bachelor, which just happened. First off,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I got to ask you because I know sometimes you
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: don't get to watch. Did you watch Peter season of
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: The Bachelor? I didn't watch the whole thing, but Molly
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: looped me into the last couple episodes. You know, it
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: seems like we always kind of get wind of what's
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: going on somehow or some way, but you know, Molly
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: wasn't able to figure that out, so she had me
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: on kind of pins and needles at least the last
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: couple episodes. It's interesting how that happens before we get
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: do we dive in here? I remember that you and
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Molly were really some of the original to podcasters that
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: broke down the Bachelor franchise. And now sometimes you watch,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: sometimes you don't. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. For me,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: it's just, you know, I always felt like, when you
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: know so much about the whole process of how how
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: the show has made um, the experience people go through,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: you know, the kind of back end of it has
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: has kind of dampered my excitement and watching. But at
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the same time I get it. You know, it's it's
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: for most people just a break from reality. And it
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: would probably be a great thing if the show was
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: on right now, because it would give people a break
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: from the panic that's going on in the rest of
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: the real world. Mm hmm. That's exactly what it is.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: And we hope today's podcast is that as well. We
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: hope that the almost for this podcast takes uh some
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: time out of everybody's day, and this allows you to
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: think about process and relate with and also reminiscence of
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: these former Bachelor stories. And so Jason, we've got to
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: dig into years as you watch. During Peter season uh,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: and we just talked about with ri Lion Dyke, Peter
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: gets down to the final two, Madison leaves the show
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: because her Peter are not compatible, leaving Peter with one
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: left handed and and he proposes to Hannah, and and
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: he actually during the proposal mentions Madison's name, saying she
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: had left, which some people would argue that it kind
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: of took the luster and the excitement out of the proposal.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: But I want to start here, Jason. We talked to
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: our about it, and I think it's an interesting perspective
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: leading up to that final moment when you have a
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: few people left, two people left, you're laying in bed
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the night before, you have an idea of what you're
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: gonna do, but yet you haven't done it yet. Walk
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: us through what your situation was like, what it was
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: like to be in that bed the night before a
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: proposal that you knew was going to be on national television. Uh. God,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that's a good point. I think. I think I have
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: a little bit different perspective just because you know, I
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: had a three year old at home at the time,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and I would say, almost all of my thoughts were, Okay,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: am I doing the right thing for my son? And obviously,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: you know, I went a long roundabout way to get
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: to what was write for me. But I could say
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: all I was thinking about is Okay, I've got to
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: take myself out of the perspective a little bit and
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: kind of figure out am I doing what's right for
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: my my son? Um? But I mean, you know as
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: well as I do that night before is it's like
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think I slept a wink, you know. And
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: then you know one, you know, mine is probably a
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: little bit different because I I wasn't at that point
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: in love with two people. I knew I was going
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: to pick Melissa, and I didn't even have a really
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: at that point of doubt that I was going to
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: pick her. Um, I wish you know, you know, when
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: you're laying in bed, you know, if I could go
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: back and say, like, I'm not going to propose, of
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: course I wouldn't. Like, there's no real that's that's obviously
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest mistakes that I made, impacting her
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: in a lot of other people's lives. But that night before, gosh,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, granted, that's a decade ago now, but I
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: can remember not not being able to sleep a wink,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: and I can remember um production staff and audio people
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: and you know who, you know, whoever works on the
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: show coming and chucking on me. You know, I felt
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: like every thirty minutes. So maybe they just kept me awake.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know. So then you you get up the
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: next day, you know that Melissa is the one that
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: you're going to propose to. You're confident that this is
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: the right decision. Uh. And we see this kind of
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: with Peter. We see with Peter anathar Is where we
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: watch it and we we celebrate for them. There's a
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: love story that's that we think is being portrayed on television,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: but then it's not the ending. And uh, and all
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: three of you have sat there and gone, oh, I'm
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: in love with somebody else. What is that process? Like,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: how do you get to the point of admitting that
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: you're in love with somebody outside of the person that
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: you're engaged to? Uh? Man, you know, I think that
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the challenge with the experience itself. And I wish you know,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: the show is The Bachelor, it's about getting engaged. But
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I think most people, when you're going through it, would say,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: don't you wish you could just end it in, like
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: let's date seriously, because that's really after two months. I mean,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I mean after two months of filming or three months
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: of filming, you may spend forty hours with that one person.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: So the truth is me, as a single dad, should
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: not have known, should not have done that, And anybody
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: who's going through this, Yes, some of the relationships work out,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: but most don't, just because you don't get to spend
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: the quality of quality of time with that person to
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: get to know if your lives will work together, if
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: you guys are compatible and from every part of a
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: di z um. But I you know, I think I
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: knew um again. I knew that I was gonna pick
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Melissa from you know, you know a while before that
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: final episode. I just you know, that that feeling that
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe Ari had or Peter had, you know,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: it's probably a little bit different for me. So I
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: just didn't have a doubt that, like I knew that
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I was going to propose. I wanted to be with Melissa.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I just didn't really want, you know, my gut said
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: proposing it was the wrong thing. And there was a
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: lot of things that went into, you know, finally getting
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: to the proposal. But for me, it wasn't you know,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: you know, Molly knows this more than anything. I wasn't
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: gonna pick Molly at that poem point. After two months
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: of that experience. For me, I was was going to
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: pick Melissa. It was it was the two months. And
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: this is where like you almost feel like you know
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: they I think in Big Brother, um uh, they have
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: like the off camera stuff like if you can log
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: on at night and say and see like what you
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: don't see on TV. So I think that you know,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: you know as well as I do, like the two
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: months that you have between kind of the end of
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: filming and then you know, I got you know, I
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: can't remember the exact timeline from the end of filming
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: to when it starts airing to win, you know, you
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: kind of go out in public, a lot happens, and
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: that's actually a longer period of time than the actual
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: filming itself. So I think, you know, uh, Melissa and
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I got to know each other a lot, and she's
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: gonna have a different point of view on this. But
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: you know, fast forward a decade now, Um, she's married,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: has wonderful family, wonderful kids, and so am I. And
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: you know, I think without the show, you know, we
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: may not be you may have not grown our family
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the way we're supposed to, and you know, me doing
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: some really dumb things together up there. Well, and we
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: talked about it. It's an interesting question for me because
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: with you and our especially the switcher rue as we
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: call it today worked. Um, it didn't quite work for Peter,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: but there is some variables that we'll talk about here
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: in a second on why it probably didn't for him.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: But why do you think the switcher worked? I mean,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: how do you confront this other person and say I'm sorry,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I made a mistake in a sense, and I like you,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: I would like you back, and then you make that
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: relationship flourish to the point where now you're married years
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: later with kids. Um, well, what it takes a lot
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: of work, you know. Secondly, I will say a lot
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: of this have to do with Molly, because Molly isn't
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't believe you, you know, did
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: this to me, Like it's the worst experience. You picked
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: somebody else. She's able to live in the moment and say, like, listen,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I all the first two months of relationship in the
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: TV experience for what it was, and the rest of
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: it is just us like trying to figure out our
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: own relationship. So I get Molly the credit because if
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: she was if she was looking at it probably much
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: more emotionally, then it may not have worked out. But
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: you know, there is that period of time, especially when um,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: you know, you kind of come from the end of
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: the show and uh, you know, for us, it was like,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: you know, we had to you know, people were angry
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: at me, people were an understanding of why she was
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: taking me back, but that really it was her and
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: eye against the world at that moment. You know, it was, hey,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: you know, we we got to block out you know,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the negative, negative media. We've got to block out any
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: negativity from anybody that we know and really focus on
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: does this work for us? And I think what was
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: a lot more comfortable as it was like there wasn't
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: the engagement ring and there wasn't any of that. It
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: was like, hey, can we make this relationship work in
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: a really normal outside of like what the media would
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: pick up, just in a more normal way where I
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: could fly She was living in the Midwest and in
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: um in Milwaukee, so I could fly out to Milwaukee,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: you know, every other week, and she could fly out
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: to Seattle every other week and we could see each
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: other a lot, and just like, let the relationship go
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: at a much more normal place versus you know that
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: the speed pace you get on when you're filming the
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: you you just talked about it and you said, you know,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: it feels like it's you versus the world in your
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: partner and you versued the world. And typically that's what
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: you want in a partner, right somebody can look at
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: and look across the table at or look beside you
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: and say, hey, we've got this, we can do this
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: no matter what life brings us here, my partner, there
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: is one factor that seems to be be a force
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: that was unable to be overcome when it comes to
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Peter's story, and that was barbed, barbed. The mom was
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: very much against Madison as he was trying to build
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: this relationship with her. Did your family have any sort
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: of say or strong opinions that your friends or family
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: have any type a negativity towards this or they just
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: kind of step away. We all stepped away. I mean,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, and the one thing I heard with Barb was,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: you know, she's gonna saying he's gonna make a mistake
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: or he's gonta learned for himself. And you know, the
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: only thing is you know, and I try to look
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: put you know, through peers experience, I'm actually less relating
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: to him in you know, the switcher root part is
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: of it. But I'm also more relating to it as
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: a parents because you know, my son's fifteen now, like
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: he was thinking when filmed, Um, so I'm looking at
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: and I would say like I would do anything, like
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I would drop anything in my world. And I'm sure
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Barb would say that for her kids. But those were
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: the moments where like he needed her the most. He
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: didn't need you know, in my opinion, he didn't need
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: a lesson in front of millions of people. He needed
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: his mom to give him a hug. He need his
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: mom to to to be the crutch. And I think
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: that's where I you know, you know, it wasn't you know,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't like her death dealing with people
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: and with the virus right now, where it is death,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: we're dealing with you know, my dad's got cancer, knealing
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: with people in in a lot of different ways right now.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: And this was like, Okay, my son made a mistake.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: He shouldn't have done that. I get it, and he
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: really hurt somebody, but I'll tell you everybody, um Hannah
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Ann and everybody involved with this will be just fine.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Time does heal all wounds. And I just again putting
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: my parent hat on, I just wish and I hope
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: to this day that he's got his family there just
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: to support him, because that's a big way I got through.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: My My mom is one of my best friends, and
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: any time that I ever need her from for a
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: parenting advice or relationship, for advice from school stuff growing
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: up growing up, I could always call my parents. And
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: I mean hope that I just I just hope that
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: that's the case. But it felt like if I was
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: him sitting out like I saw in his eyes, it
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: was like, Mom, come on, like, don't you got my back?
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: You know, That's what I felt like, and that's where
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I felt more for him, because as as a relate,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: like if you take the batchelor out of it, like
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: we all go like we've all messed up in relationships
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: like it's it's it's millionized and glorified and everything in
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: between on camera, but that's probably how we are in
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: our real relationships because we all make mistakes and bad.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I was watching him, Jason, I was watching Peter that is,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: and uh, I cannot imagine what it would be like
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: to be sitting on a live audience knowing what just happened,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: knowing that you're close to the end and that you
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: made it through a really difficult breakup on national TV
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: meaning Peters with Hannah Ann and now you have your
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: mom kind of digging this hole for for you and
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: continue to do it. It would really hurt. I know
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: it would, and it would like I said, I watched Peter,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: and it felt like you just wanted to scream out mom,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: like I can't say what I want to say to
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: you right now because it's gonna come off wrong, but
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: do you not support me? Like, do you not have
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: my back? Do you not want which is best for me?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: And if my I know how hard it is for
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: a parent, uh to go through this experience because you
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: meet your your child's fiancee for like a few hours
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: one day, you know, and then you're done and you're gone.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I know that that's hard, but it's kind of what
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: you all sign up for and sometimes that works. And
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: we have to always remember that. This just felt heavy
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: watching it back because it was a mom saying and
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: doing things that was not helping their child. I killed me,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, and I know, like I mean myself a teenager,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I went from like being his best friend of being like,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: you know, a guy that drives him around the basketball
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: practice now, but I would, you know, shauffeur, so, I
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: mean I would still do. Like you know, this is
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: gonna sound weird, but like even people who end up
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: on death row, I bet you their parents find some
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: way to remember something positive about it, right because it's
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: their kids. Like with with your kids, and your parent
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: knows this, like you have unconditional love with relationships like
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: whether you say me or Melissa or my ex wife
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: for you, and you know, any relationship you've had, there
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: are conditions, right, you can mess up, you can cheat,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: you could you know, um do some terrible things physically
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: to somebody, but with your kids, it's unconditional. And that's
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: almost what I felt the opposite of. And I know
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: that there's more to every story and she was probably
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: just trying to protect her son from making a mistake.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: But I think everybody knows, whether it's in your personal
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: life or like our business, like we all make mistakes
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: and almost I mean everything that we do, we make mistakes,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: but you've got to learn from them, the growth from him.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: It's a part that intrigues me maybe with this whole
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: story the most is how all of you got to
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: the place where you sat down and you said, hey,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: I've maybe made a mistake, I've proposed or I'm with
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: somebody that I shouldn't be and I need to go back,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: and the other option was the best option for me
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: and my future and who I want to be with.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: It has to take a lot to step out there
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: and do that. And now we see with Peter that
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: he's done that and it hasn't worked out well for him.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: He sits there pretty isolated right now and alone. Unlike
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: you and Ari, who walked out of this with a
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: relationship and a partner to look across the table at
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: and say, hey, we've got this, Peter is now alone
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: and he's gonna be fine. Also, he does a great dude, uh,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: And you know he's already out there hanging out with
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: people and probably uh moving forward from this. But Jason,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: from your wise perspective, what should Peter's next steps be
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: as a person, uh? As and professionally in relationships? What
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: does Peter do from here? Well, I mean I think
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: he's already you know, the first thing, you know, good
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Morning America called and that's kind of similar question. And
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, he's already owned up for making a mistake.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: He's owned up on TV, he's apologized. You know. I
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: think the hardest thing is, you know, you know this,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: like you took the engagement away, that first engagement experience
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: away from handing and which sucks, like there's no doubt
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: about it. But she will get that, she will move on,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: she will fall in love, and I'm sure she'll have
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: a great family. She's gonna get a lot of Thames
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: from the Bachelor World. She's gonna get everything and more
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: and probably end up being in a happier place. But
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: for him, he's got to he's got to learn from
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: his experience, which I think he did. And just you know,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: again this is my opinion, it's like trying to stay
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: away from, you know, the negativity that you see in
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: the social world. Like it's very easy to get caught
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: up in that, Like I see it, like I don't
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: pay a ton of attention to like the negativity in
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: the social world, but Molly sees it all the time.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: And she said, she'll say, hey, like, for example, you know,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Good Morning America wanted me to do this interview, and
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: she's like, why would you do that? And I said,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: you know, I want to be able to tell people
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: my per perspective. And we talked a lot about Peter
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: owning up to what he went through and also similar
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: to what we're talking about, like why didn't his mom
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: support him? And why wasn't she able to support him?
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: But I think he's doing all those things. But if
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: he's able to support surround himself by like the true
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: people in his life, he'll be just fine. I mean,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: he comes across his super genuine. I've never met him,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: but you know, he comes across a super genuine, a
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: really good guy. And maybe those type type of people,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's you know, maybe it's you, maybe
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: it's me, maybe it's Ri, maybe it's Peter. That we're
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: not cut out to be the Bachelor because we are
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: a little bit more emotional than the next person. And
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: that's okay too, you know, I know it makes I know,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: it makes good for good TV. It does make good TV,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: and it and it helps people relate with our stories.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, the Mesnick is still a move that it
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: feels like it's shown all the time wherever I'm at,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: where it's just you bawling on the side of the stairs,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: on the side of a uh patio or whatever, and
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: it and it still hurts this day because I know
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: you're feeling it, and I know what it's like to
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: feel it. Uh, Jason, you are. You go down in
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: history as one of Baschel Nations honestly most talked about
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: and and I mean, I know sometimes it probably didn't
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: feel like it, but favorite Bachelors because of how much
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: we related with your story and how real and raw
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: you are, and it's led you to today where you're
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: happily married, um with two kids. So Jason, thanks for
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: giving us your time. Thank you for sharing your insights,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: um into what Peter has gone through, how you can
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: recover from this, and what it's like to do the
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: old Switcher rou also holmost famous listeners. If you live
• 48:39
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• 48:42
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• 48:52
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• 48:56
  Speaker 1: It's uh even to Jason Mesnick dot com as all
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: my contact information and realistically myself oh six zero five
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: zero five five calling only if you really wanted to
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: have weird some weird like because because of my season
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: about Netflix now I'm getting like all these like like
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: as if it's happening today, like even somebody texting me
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: this morning, but like, how did you do that to Melissa?
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you mean a decade ago? But
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: I love that. That's good stuff. That's a good joke
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: to play on anybody, especially with whoever's pulling the strings
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: over there. A Netflix and ABC saying, Hey, let's just
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: like bring back Jason's story ten years ago to make
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: sure he has to relive it, re hear about it,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: and talk about it for you. Yeah, well, don't worry,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: You're gonna be on there one of these days. I'm
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: sure for a whole rehash. Hey, Jason, you appreciated man,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, and thanks again for coming on What
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: a Podcast Today. To end out the podcast, we're gonna
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: go through some hot topics, some headlines that are happening
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: in Bachelor Nation right now. I don't have my amazing
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: co host, actually can Eddie here to help me break
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: them down, but I was gonna read through them and
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: I want to hear from you all on your thoughts.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: As we've mentioned many times in this podcast, it is
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: official Peter Webber and Medicine Pruitt have ended their relationship.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: It was a two day relationship, but it was officially
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: announced after the dramatic finale that showed Barb voicing her
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: opinion on why they should not be together. That's what
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: brought us UH here today, uh to to talk about
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: all these things with all of these bachelor's. Uh. In addition,
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor producer Julie Laploca speaks out about the rumors that
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  Speaker 1: she got romantic with Peter Webber. As we remember, about
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  Speaker 1: half we through the season this year, the rumors came
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  Speaker 1: out to Peter ended up actually with one of his producers.
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  Speaker 1: Now we now know that that rumor is not true,
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  Speaker 1: and Julie has came out to speak out about it.
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  Speaker 1: According to the Cosmo, sounds like Julie and Peter are
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  Speaker 1: just friends. Uh, they are close. She was his day
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  Speaker 1: to day producer, which I can attest. Mine was a
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  Speaker 1: lady named Lindsay. And you do become very close. She
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  Speaker 1: knows everything about your romantic relationships, your personal relationship. She
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  Speaker 1: has met your family and your friends. I get how
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  Speaker 1: you can become close, and so I believe it when
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  Speaker 1: I hear that Julie and Peter are just friends and
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  Speaker 1: their relationship blossom from their time together on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Now are Bachelor expert, huge fan of the show, massive
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  Speaker 1: fan of the podcast Easton is here to tell us
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  Speaker 1: about the headline that says the Bachelor. Kelly Flanagin reveals
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  Speaker 1: what Peter Webber's mom, Barb told her at the finale
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  Speaker 1: Eastern Take it Away. Thanks Ben, it's been it's really
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  Speaker 1: an honor to be on this podcast. Um. So, I
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  Speaker 1: mean we know that that Peter's mom, you know, she
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  Speaker 1: she does not hide her opinions of some of the
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  Speaker 1: girls go and vying for her son's attention. But uh,
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  Speaker 1: we just found out that Kelly uh Flan again revealed
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  Speaker 1: that his mom, Barb is a huge fan. She's a
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  Speaker 1: huge Kelly stand Uh. And uh she said she did
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  Speaker 1: not leave the finale until she met Kelly in person. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: they just had small talk. But but Peter's mom did
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  Speaker 1: tell her, You're beautiful, I love you. I've been your
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  Speaker 1: fans since day one, and they're supposed to go shopping.
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  Speaker 1: I guess. Oh, man, Ethan, does it feel weird that
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  Speaker 1: a mom of Peter or Peter's mom would say that
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  Speaker 1: to an X that Peter obviously has broken up with
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  Speaker 1: and probably trying to move on from. Concerning the circumstances, yes, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: and especially since we've seen from Peter that he he
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  Speaker 1: values the approval of his mother so much. Uh. And
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  Speaker 1: I just can't imagine what he's thinking. Uh. And you
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  Speaker 1: know what's going through his mind as she makes uh
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  Speaker 1: this public display of her her affection for Kelly. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: But um, but yeah, they're there. She's she's a big
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  Speaker 1: she's a big Kelly fan. Uh. Well, Easton thinks for
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  Speaker 1: that update, we appreciate your insight always. Uh. Now we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have the headline where our new bacherette who has
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: paused filming, Claire Crawley, has clapped back. I guess according
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  Speaker 1: to Yahoo Entertainment at her ex Juan Pablo Galvez h
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: she says this. According to Juan Pablo, he's popped up
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  Speaker 1: on Twitter again for the first time in a while,
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  Speaker 1: and he says, I just saw the guys for Claire
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  Speaker 1: Crawley Batcherette season, and it's going to be interesting seeing
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: her get hit on by kids in their twenties. I
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: think this might be the third season. I'm gonna watch
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  Speaker 1: Claire Crawley says back. And yet here you are older
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: than of them and still can't practice compassion and kindness.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually interesting, uh that Juan Pablo and Claire are
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: still feuding over social media years later. Also of interesting
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: that Want Pablo is back in the spotlight. I think
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: according to most poles, Waden Pablo goes down is the
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: least liked bachelor of all time. Uh. And we haven't
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: heard a lot from him recently and uh, now he's back,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: uh and not in a good way. But he did
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  Speaker 1: respond to Claire saying, Hey, all I want is for
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  Speaker 1: you to find love. You are taking it the wrong way, Claire.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's saying that because I think the heat
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: and the pressure on him was pretty intense following his
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: criticism of Claire's men. Well, to end out this podcast,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: we talked about it with Ashley earlier this week, but
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Hannah Brown and Tyler Cameron have fueled dating rumors as
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: there together in Florida as we speak. And also we
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: just saw that Madison Pruett and Selina Gomez have been
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: hanging out together doing a little date night. Good for them. Hey,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: friends should be friends, uh and uh, and if they
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: want to hang out, they should be hanging out. Well,
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  Speaker 1: almost famous listeners, it's been a pleasure talking today. It's
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  Speaker 1: been a pleasure talking to Ari and Jason, UH and Easton.
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  Speaker 1: We've had a blast. We will be back together next
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  Speaker 1: week with a few more podcasts. Uh. This week, as
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• 55:33
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