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EYL #204 Deion Sanders on HBCUs, NIL Rule, College Football, & The NFL · Earn Your Leisure

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  Speaker 2: problems that we had with HBC. I wanted to bless you,
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  Speaker 2: another and brothers got to do this. You, I can't
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  Speaker 2: be staying offish when I see some hongry dogs out
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  Speaker 2: there trying to eat. I came here because God called
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  Speaker 2: me collect and I accepted the charge. My graduate from
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  Speaker 3: All right, eu y l we made our way down
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  Speaker 3: to Mississippi for the first time ever? Is your first time, Misssippy?
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  Speaker 3: Of course say of course.
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  Speaker 4: I mean I have no family in the South.
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  Speaker 3: So you say, of course, like because you know that,
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  Speaker 3: no thought about it like it wasn't It's not really
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  Speaker 3: one of designation.
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  Speaker 2: It's not really destination you're gonna bring you later. Let's
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  Speaker 2: go to.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly right, Like my family is from the Islands, and
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  Speaker 4: so you should.
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  Speaker 5: You had to throw that, like you know, literally, but
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  Speaker 5: that's changing my family.
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  Speaker 2: That's changing though.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, So we we're here with Coach prom one
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  Speaker 3: of the greatest ever in a variety of different aspects,
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  Speaker 3: a real goat in the game, and somebody who I
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  Speaker 3: drew a lot of inspiration from as far as cultural influence,
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  Speaker 3: I was talking the Jalen Roads last week, shout out
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  Speaker 3: to Jaalen, good dude, and I was telling him how
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  Speaker 3: much the Fab five meant to me. Yeah, it meant
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  Speaker 3: a lot. Yes, I mean like outside of basketball, but
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  Speaker 3: just the culture they.
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  Speaker 2: The game.
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  Speaker 3: Similarly you did is well, I remember playing that. I
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  Speaker 3: think what ninety six one of those Madden games, and
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  Speaker 3: I will play with you two way player San Francisco
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  Speaker 3: Atlanta first. Well, yeah, but San Francisco. I think he
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  Speaker 3: had a higher rating. You might have to high.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how the same game. Yeah, different team name,
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  Speaker 2: same game.
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  Speaker 5: Another thing, I'm glad you brought Upjohn because one he says,
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  Speaker 5: there's very few people that can trans like they can
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  Speaker 5: go bigger than their sport, right, like even when they
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  Speaker 5: stopped playing, how would.
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  Speaker 4: They be remembered? And so like you've managed to do.
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  Speaker 5: That obviously, Like we grew up on prime time, and
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  Speaker 5: we grew up on the championships, and we grew up
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  Speaker 5: on the two way.
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  Speaker 4: Like I'm a Yankee fan, dial.
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  Speaker 5: I remember the Yankees when you were playing there, and
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  Speaker 5: you've transcended the game of football.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate it to a.
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  Speaker 5: Sense where it's like you you became a pop popcon
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  Speaker 5: the Nike I still remember the Nikes sneakers coming out.
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  Speaker 2: And we had to have those can't get the rap video.
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  Speaker 4: But this is a little nold fact. Hit must be
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  Speaker 4: the mon.
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  Speaker 5: Don't you got part of But this is as a
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  Speaker 5: as a die hard like Sneaker fan like I remember,
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  Speaker 5: I'm a Washington fan too.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to say that two outs, but.
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  Speaker 5: You're like one of the first guys I ever saw
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  Speaker 5: a customizing Jordans. You had the patent leathers, but you
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  Speaker 5: put him in the room. Yeah, it was you and
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  Speaker 5: Ready Moss. Yeah, early on.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, yep. That's when I was on there, probably in
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  Speaker 2: my contract and that company didn't want to really take
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  Speaker 2: care of me and make my own shoes. So I
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  Speaker 2: called him Jay and he's I got you nowhere better?
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  Speaker 3: And it was. It was the dancing too.
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  Speaker 4: That was I still got that. If you look, this
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  Speaker 4: is real. I could do the move.
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  Speaker 5: Usually I usually keep this a parallel, but since I
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  Speaker 5: knew I was coming, I said, let me go.
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  Speaker 2: Championship man, I appreciate it. I had some wonderful memories
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  Speaker 2: and that then wonderful great one of the greatest secondaries
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  Speaker 2: ever summer.
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  Speaker 4: I think I can name him. Go ahead, thing gonna
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  Speaker 4: put me all right?
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  Speaker 2: You be true?
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  Speaker 5: Eric Davis the uh yeah, Hanks, this is a tough one.
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  Speaker 5: I want to say McDonald, but it's not. It is
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  Speaker 5: McDonald to McDonald to McDonald.
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  Speaker 2: The thing about that secondary all four members, uh, three
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  Speaker 2: of us went to the Pro Bowl that year. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Then the year I left, then three of them went
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  Speaker 2: to the Pro Bowl. So you got to say four
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  Speaker 2: four guys went to the Pro Bowl, which was unbelievable
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  Speaker 2: in one second year.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna know a dame guy.
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  Speaker 5: So Brian Young, yes, dog Hall of Fame, stubble Field,
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  Speaker 5: and Ricky Orders is not dame.
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  Speaker 2: Ricky was a bad boy, so yeah, John Taylor was
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  Speaker 2: a bad boy. Don't sleep on John Taylor. Delaw. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I used to read the back of cars. I see
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  Speaker 4: my whole life.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this guy's like a supports. We interviewed a b
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  Speaker 3: That was the funniest thing ever. He was like, who
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  Speaker 3: won the Super Bowl in nineteen ninety two? He said
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  Speaker 3: a name. He was like, how do you know that?
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  Speaker 3: Because his things like nobody remembers super Bowl. He's like,
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  Speaker 3: you remember who won in eighty nine? He's like yeah,
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  Speaker 3: He's like okay, but we can go on with this
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  Speaker 3: conversation forever. But first and foremost, it's honoring the pleasure.
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  Speaker 3: Thank thank you for sure. So I want to get
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  Speaker 3: into it. You know, EYL is about business, and I
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  Speaker 3: feel that this conversation is very important right now. I
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  Speaker 3: want to touch on a variety of different topics, but
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  Speaker 3: I want to start with an I L. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 3: something that you know, is very controversialized.
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  Speaker 2: It is a lot of.
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  Speaker 3: People have different, you know, takes on it. I know
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  Speaker 3: your friend coach Savan he had said something that was
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  Speaker 3: a little controversial.
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  Speaker 2: With He was really speaking to gospel, but it just
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  Speaker 2: came out wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So what is your thoughts on in I L?
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  Speaker 3: And how have you or have you been able.
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  Speaker 2: To let me do one at a time because I
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  Speaker 2: can't remember my mom fifty five It just looked good.
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  Speaker 2: It's supposed to be name, image and likeness that these
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  Speaker 2: youngsters are getting compensated from. I have no problem with that.
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  Speaker 2: I like that. I think they should be compensated. But
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  Speaker 2: it needs to be named image and likeness. So when
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  Speaker 2: we say name, image and likeness, that means I need
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  Speaker 2: to see you endorsing something right. So when you hear
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  Speaker 2: about these crazy figures, some of these college athletes are
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  Speaker 2: getting what do you see them on? I got time?
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  Speaker 2: What maybe one guy a quarterback from Alabama and my
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  Speaker 2: son you know who has quite a few endorsements. But really,
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  Speaker 2: you have collectives, that's what coach Saban was saying. You
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  Speaker 2: have collectives who who's gotten together which is another name
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  Speaker 2: for a bunch of handsomely compensated boosters, gotten together and
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  Speaker 2: put money in a pot and say, okay, we got
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  Speaker 2: twenty million here, coach, here, you go do your thing.
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  Speaker 2: So the coach said, well, let me go get this
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  Speaker 2: guy right here. I give him one, I give him
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  Speaker 2: five hundred, I give it. That's what that's not name,
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  Speaker 2: image and likeness. That's just really a collective just breaking
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  Speaker 2: these kids off. That's not what it was meant for.
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  Speaker 2: Now that upsets the little guy. How we gonna compete
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  Speaker 2: with death at HBCUs when I believe seven percent if
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  Speaker 2: that gives back to the schools in which they graduated
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  Speaker 2: from a MADA, Yes, and it might be being kind by
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  Speaker 2: seven percent.
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  Speaker 3: For HBCUs are just in general.
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  Speaker 2: HBCUs, not in general HBCUs. So that upsets the balance
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  Speaker 2: of what we're trying to do. We don't have collectives.
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  Speaker 2: The best we could do as kids earning a real nil.
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  Speaker 2: But when you think about it, just think about what
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  Speaker 2: you guys are doing. How can a college athletes athlete
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  Speaker 2: add to what you do? It's it's kind of hard,
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of far fetched because it really has no value.
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  Speaker 2: So what you're really doing besides just giving them money?
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  Speaker 2: So don't pretend like it's this when it's really that.
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  Speaker 2: That's my problem. But I do feel like these guys
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  Speaker 2: should be compensated.
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  Speaker 4: So as a coach and dealing with that, knowing the parameters,
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  Speaker 4: that's one thing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're on the other side of it too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: a parent who has.
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  Speaker 4: A child who has an IL sponsor, So.
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  Speaker 2: Is that still in dre Brady data rade? And there's
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  Speaker 2: a couple more that he really endorses. So that's real
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  Speaker 2: not a collective.
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  Speaker 4: Right, So like, how intricate were you in that process?
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  Speaker 2: So I wasn't let him figure involved in that process.
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  Speaker 2: Now what I can do because he's my son. As
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  Speaker 2: a coach, I can't be involved, but he's my son,
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  Speaker 2: I can say, son, if you're gonna get that from
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  Speaker 2: this drink. I'd rather you hold on and get that
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  Speaker 2: from this drink, because this drink is gonna be around
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  Speaker 2: for a long time. That one ain't okay. That one
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  Speaker 2: is just flash and it's just a dollar just to
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  Speaker 2: get your attention. But it has no sustainability. This one does.
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  Speaker 2: So let's ride right there. I could lend him that,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what I did.
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  Speaker 5: Did you still was a new rule in today that
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  Speaker 5: And I didn't even notice till recently that international players
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  Speaker 5: can't even get an ils And so why is that?
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  Speaker 5: So there's a kicker at Cincinnati he actually is. He
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  Speaker 5: has endorsements, but he's given it to walk Ons and
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  Speaker 5: so liked they said, like seven percent of the NCAA
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  Speaker 5: football players are international athletes. I know a lot come
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  Speaker 5: from you know, different parts of the world.
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  Speaker 4: What's yourself on the earth?
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  Speaker 2: I mean to me, a athletes, an athlete, whether no
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  Speaker 2: matter where he derived from, athlete is an athlete. He's
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  Speaker 2: still going through the same trials and tribulations as a
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  Speaker 2: young man. He should be able to be compensated just
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  Speaker 2: like the others. If he's going through the process that
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  Speaker 2: the others are going through, and that's being a student athlete.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to secure a degree and trying to secure his
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  Speaker 2: place in life.
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  Speaker 3: I think basketball probably has a lot more international players
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  Speaker 3: than football. True, but in a perfect world, what do
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  Speaker 3: you think a better solution is? You think that athletes
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  Speaker 3: should just get paid? Football and basketball players should you
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  Speaker 3: see paid?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then just say you pay. You say everybody's
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  Speaker 2: gonna make five grand a month. Okay, Now you got
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  Speaker 2: to figure out where's the hustle gonna be. So now
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  Speaker 2: is that coach gonna just recruit certain players that may
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  Speaker 2: be not good at all so that he could say,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna sign you, and I need
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  Speaker 2: a couple off that five grand. You know, it's always
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  Speaker 2: gonna be a hustle somewhere. You gotta find out where
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be so you can eliminate it. And then
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  Speaker 2: if I'm a coach and everybody's getting five grand, you
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  Speaker 2: ain't contributing nothing. You don't even want to be out there,
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  Speaker 2: You're not going to class, you're not working hard on
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  Speaker 2: the scout team. You're probably on the scout team. You
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  Speaker 2: ain't working hard, and you really don't want to be
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  Speaker 2: out here. So how long am I going to allow that?
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  Speaker 2: So then I got to be able to cut that off.
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  Speaker 2: It's another thing that you don't understand. What the nils
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  Speaker 2: suppose you're a guy that come in from the outside.
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  Speaker 2: We got a machine going right here. I grab a receiver,
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  Speaker 2: or just naming school, any school, Florida state, Florida State.
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  Speaker 2: I grab a received. That's not a good name. That
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  Speaker 2: could come back to bake me somewhere. This slippery rock,
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  Speaker 2: slippery rock. We grab a receiver from slippery Rock. That's
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  Speaker 2: nice with it, and we pay him a meal. So
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  Speaker 2: first of all, he's making more of my coaching staff.
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  Speaker 2: Now that has alienated not only the coaches, but it
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  Speaker 2: alienated some of the players. So now you got this
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  Speaker 2: big time corner I have here that's not making that.
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  Speaker 2: This goes at him every day in practice and takes
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  Speaker 2: his heart. How do you think that's gonna disrupt my team?
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  Speaker 2: So you got to be careful with that. And how
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  Speaker 2: long am I gonna pay that? So if you're bringing,
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  Speaker 2: if you come to him making that, you got to
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  Speaker 2: prove that you are that. If you're not, am I
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  Speaker 2: gonna be able to take that away from you? Then
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  Speaker 2: what happens next? If I am able to take that
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  Speaker 2: away from you? Also, reporters really don't get on these
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  Speaker 2: kids because they're amateurs. They'll jump on a pro hard
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  Speaker 2: because he's getting compensated. So now when the kid is compensated,
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  Speaker 2: So now do the reporters are going there? Because now
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  Speaker 2: you're making more than those reporters who didn't come at
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  Speaker 2: you because you had amateurism. Now you getting compensated, so
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  Speaker 2: you're just like a pro. So the whole pen and
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  Speaker 2: the whole articulation is gonna be somewhat different with the
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  Speaker 2: approach to a young man because he's not an amateur anymore.
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  Speaker 2: He's a handsomely paid athlete, So that whole approach is different.
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  Speaker 2: Now he drops a ball in the fourth quarter and
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  Speaker 2: you done paid him a half a million dollars. So
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  Speaker 2: you don't think those students in one of these country
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  Speaker 2: towns gonna flip his car. Old, it's gonna paint his car.
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  Speaker 2: They're gonna bust all the wonders. It's a whole lot
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  Speaker 2: of stuff when you get into this that could take
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  Speaker 2: a quick left instead of staying right.
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  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this. Another girl friend of Osmo
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  Speaker 3: restall Right shot out to him. He challenged the system
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  Speaker 3: a while back, which became a legendary situation where NFL
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  Speaker 3: he wasn't you're not able to go early into the league.
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Rose actually spoke about that once again referring to Jalen,
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  Speaker 3: he said that basketball and football is the only two
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  Speaker 3: sports where it was moves in place which predominantly are black.
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  Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on NFL not allowing freshmen or
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  Speaker 3: people come.
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  Speaker 2: Out freshman ain't ready for that. This is a basketball
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  Speaker 2: it's a little different now, this old grown man's game.
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  Speaker 2: A grown man would take your heart out there in
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  Speaker 2: that field. A little kid just coming up out of
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  Speaker 2: high school and he just came out of one year
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  Speaker 2: out of college, so he's pretty nineteen years old. He's
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  Speaker 2: getting up there, gonna deal with Aaron Donald, or you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna deal with a dog corner like Jalen rams that
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna deal with somebody that can really take your
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  Speaker 2: heart and take your whole game away from you and
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  Speaker 2: disrupt your whole believability and thought process of I can
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  Speaker 2: really do this. Football is different. At the most, I
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  Speaker 2: would go two years and out. Now it's three years
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  Speaker 2: in out. I agree with that wholehearted, but if I
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  Speaker 2: had to push it, it'll only be two but certain positions.
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  Speaker 3: So you don't think there's ever an exception like.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't. We could say a guy like Adrian
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  Speaker 2: Peterson was ready, but we don't know that man, because
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  Speaker 2: the ain't no grown man hitting on him like that.
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  Speaker 2: You running up and down the bield of cottage bills
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  Speaker 2: when a grown man go upside your here. But not
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  Speaker 2: only that, just the whole lifestyle, the understanding of the
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  Speaker 2: allocation of time. You gotta adjust mentally and psychologically, man
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  Speaker 2: and emotionally when you start this process, because this is
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  Speaker 2: a man now. You got a grown man's expectations of
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  Speaker 2: you now, and that's tough for some kids. Man.
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  Speaker 5: So you you're here at Jackson State, all right, And
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna talk about HBCUs for a second because one
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  Speaker 5: of the things you said is that they don't have
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  Speaker 5: boosters coming back. You know, everybody preaches, especially in our community,
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  Speaker 5: like you should go to HBCU and it's a great experience.
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  Speaker 5: And obviously you've come here with the intent, but what
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  Speaker 5: what do you do to gain money, to get endorsements,
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  Speaker 5: to get sponsorships when you know there's a lack of
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  Speaker 5: boosters coming in to give money to the program.
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  Speaker 2: You got a ball out. You got a ball out,
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  Speaker 2: and you got to be so recognizable, so different. You
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  Speaker 2: got to be so passionate and so alluring and attractive
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  Speaker 2: that you your Aura and the Genasa quad just you
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  Speaker 2: have that attractability. But that's hard because it ain't no light.
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  Speaker 2: See the only reason we need showing us right now
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  Speaker 2: because it's light and this cameras. But if it ain't
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  Speaker 2: no light and ain't no cameras, how you're gonna be
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  Speaker 2: seen or heard or noticed. So thank God we're doing
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  Speaker 2: what we're doing, and you're giving me this wonderful platform
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  Speaker 2: because now we're consistently sit and light.
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  Speaker 2: But if it ain't no light, you ain't gonna be seen.
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  Speaker 2: It ain't no Mike, you ain't gonna be heard. And
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: that's one of the problems that we had with HBCU
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: and we just got to do better. Man.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I wondered did you come in here with the
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: attent let me shine light because I'm sure obviously the
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: high school record was incredible, right with the true sports
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: you have for state titles, I want to get a
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: four state titles, right, and so I'm sure that there
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: was other offers throughout the country and true that.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: But you came here.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I came here because God called me collect and I
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: accepted the charge. So what HBCUs, You got to perfect
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: before you package. Everybody want a package and affected, so
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: then everybody find out your flaws in that light and
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: then they don't come back. We hollering we want bigger deals.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: We want to be on TV. How we want a
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: bigger deals? Won't be on TV. Ain't nobody in the stands,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: How ain't no names on the back of the jerseys.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: The whole thing is just chaotic. We got to bring
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: solvency and we got to bring unity. What we try
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: to do those things that we desired to do, and
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: that shed light on everything because some folks ain't ready
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: for the light. Man. You know, when I was like
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: seven eight years old, man, we had roaches like crazy.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: You come home late to night and turn on that light. Yeah,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: they scattered. We don't need to scatter as an HBCU.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: We got to be ready. So we're not ready right now.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: We're getting there, but right now we're in that stage
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: where you poke the holes in the pot pie and
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: let the thing cool off a little bit. That's what
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: we're doing right now. We got to poke the holes
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: and let it cool a little bit.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: So let me ask you this, as far as social media,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: I think that you've done a better job than anybody
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: I've ever seen on a college level of embracing culture
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: and really, like you said, the spotlight the cameras, social
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: media is like the great equalizing This is so when
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: you bring people like Gillian Wallow, Shoes adult Michael vic Warrence,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: this has actually become like a vi like a cultural epicenter,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: like you have to come to like Jackson State to like,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: you know, just see it, just to see it, meet
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: the players. Like it's become something like So talk about
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: like was that your idea? Was that your son's idea?
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: It is definitely my idea. What my son does is
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: we work in the unity with my gifts and his gifts.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: He ain't no joke with the phone in this camera
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: and just his excitement for his brothers, and I'm like
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: the directors, you know, I said, this is this, dropped
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: this at twelve, drop this two, drop this at three o'clock.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Boom boom boom. Let's have a schedule. They want the
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: pregame speech, let's go. I'm like the Wizard of Ball
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: behind the curtains, you know. But but he's he does
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: his thing, and he's so talented and unique at what
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: he does, and he loves it. He loves it. And
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: you could hear him laughing and yelling, you know sometimes
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: when the players are being made. And I said, you
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: have an uncanny way of knowing where the ball is
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: gonna go all the time. I don't know how you
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: do what I mean, he's like right there and they're
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: running right to him. And he does all this on
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: a cell phone. Yeah, I mean know how dollar camera,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: All this stuff is on a cell phone.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: That's the best content. Was like as a content creator,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: and it is a great equalizing because now you can
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: go viral on a cell phone. You create so much content.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: And like I said, I feel like you understand culture
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: enough to know even you doing this conversation with us
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: like it lets me know that you're understanding what's actually
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: a breaking though.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Man. You guys are yeah, you guys are like you
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: be right there? Yeah you about the yeah yeah he
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: like that popcorn is. I want to bless you. I
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: wanted to be with you. I wanted to enhance you.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I wanted to help you because of success. Ain't success
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: without a successful So we got to help one another
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and brothers got to do this. I can't be staying
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: offish when I see some hungry dogs out there trying
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: to eat, for sure, to help you eat.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Man, appreciate that. Thank you, thank you. I just I
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: just really wanted to say, that's kudos to your son.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Because I haven't seen any other college or even other
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: sports professional sports team utilize social media.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: We have no budget for it. We have no budget.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: If you understood what I know, you're gonna do your
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: homework and put it on the screen for me. Please
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: understand what a Power five recruiting budget and just overall
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: budget for football and what our budget is. You're going
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: to laugh your butt off. So when we do these
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: type of things, it's all recruiting for us. This is
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: how we recruit. So when we show you the pregame speeches,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: the post games on the field practice and playing the
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: music and this and this is bringing whole click in.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: You know the paper route bought when we doing all that. Man,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: that's that's recruiting for us. And it's it's it's free,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: it's free, and that's the way we compete.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: And it's the youngsters.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Right there they write down their phone.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, when you look at the social engagement, some of
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: them polified schools, Jackson State, they can't touch us. It's
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: not even close, right, even you know, with their budgets.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Even Alabama has I think one point three million follows
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: or whatever. We're not close to that. But with me.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: And Jack Steak, yeah, we got them.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: So it ain't the school in the nation that can
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: touch us because of the coach's influence.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: So that I'm glad you said that. This is exactly
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: where I wanted to go because I'm thinking to myself this.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: Most coaches promote.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Themselves, not their programs or something.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: Right, You ever see them do an ad with a brand,
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: it's usually for the brand, and it's like I'm the person,
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: I'm the personality. But every time you endorse, it's you
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: and it's Jackson State. And so there was another HBCU grad,
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: Michaels straighthand last snack entertainment. Yeah right, And so I'm wondering,
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: like again, just having the mindset to.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Say, all right, y'all gonna promote me.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna promote everything that I have going on just
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: being one of the most important things was that the strategy.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: And it don't stop. It's almost like anybody I get
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: into bed and partner with got to get into bed
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: with my people too. So everybody I have a deal
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: with has blessed Jackson's State in some capacity because that
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: comes along with the territory. If you're gonna get down
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: with me, you're gonna get down with what I'm down with.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: And the kids love it. I mean the kids one
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: hundred percent love it. And we're able to bring CEOs
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: and zoom a guy like straight hand in on our
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: morning meetings and let him talk and communicate with these
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: youngsters that have only seen him on television although they
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: seeing him on the screen, that he's there, he's gonna
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: be to the homecoming game. They've met snooped. I mean,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: everybody you would think of had the young j Z.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Every you could think of have rolled through man, and
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I love it because Oftentimes at HBCUs they only hear
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: about success stories. They never get to see them live
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: and in person.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: So speaking of HBCUs, you said something earlier. You said
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: that HBCUs aren't ready yet. And we see, of course
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: what you're doing Jackson State Howard. I think they just
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: got a Jordan. So how do they get because enough,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: like you said, the budget is always going to be
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: in the favor of the power schools, whereas Texas they
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: have their own network.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: But did you gotta say why somebody? As soon as
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: later you got to say why?
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: So how do we change it? How do we get
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: the HBCUs ready?
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: First of all, we got to get that business straight.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: We got to get the business straight. When I say
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: the business straight, I could start from ticket sales all
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: the way to concessions, to apparel, to understanding TV rights,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: and I could keep going down the list that you
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: got to get this stuff together before. Oh you think
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: God is gonna bless you, God don't bless nohe that's raggedy,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: because that's gonna be self destruction. The only way God
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: is gonna bless you is you ready for the blessing.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: He's not gonna put something on you that you can't carry,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: you can't handle, and we're just now getting to the
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: point that we could handle the blessings that he has
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: for us. When I first got him, Know, we couldn't
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: and I'm not just saying it just because of me,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: but no, we couldn't because we were raggedy and it
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: was no structure, no order. I mean, you go out
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: there and kids thought they were going to field with
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: this on this, on that. No, no, no, no, we
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: were black socks, we were this, we were that. We're
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: a uniform team. You know why because in the NFL,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: if you don't have on this type of uniform in
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: the game, you get fined first finus thirty five hundred
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: and seventy five hundred and fifteen thousand. Then it goes
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: all the way up. The kids don't know about that.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: I said, you know what, you want to wear your
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: shirt out?
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: If you do it in the NFL, guess what this is?
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: What that is? Now? All those kids you see on
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: television with the shirts out, See they got Grandma or
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Auntie saying, you know, can I hold summer? They saying no.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: But they just gave away fifteen thousand dollars just to
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: kick it and that's anyoddic to me. They don't understand
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: it until it's over. When that's when they see homes
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: start to come closer. Then you start thinking about, man,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I had two hundred and its fifty thousand dollars worth
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: of fines in my career over foolish and just trying
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: to stump.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: I'm thinking to myself, that was one of the things
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: I loved about you, was like you kind of did
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: have it touched there. You had to change on sometimes.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: Like whatever he was, he never.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Broke ruse and the guy who established them, I made
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: sure I got straight with him. I said, I'm gonna
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: push the envelope a little bit now, Okay, Okay. So
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: if I had my gloves and I had them open, cool,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: no root breaking. But when I had the ones with
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: the prime and the time out like that, they say, okay,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: you can wear them. So now I made the gloves
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: with no class. Okay. The shocks were a certain way,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: you know, but it was always uniform. I've never did
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: nothing out of a character and out of order for
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: the NFL. I just look good in Mauna.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: So let me ask you this, as far as collaboration,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: how important because obviously Jackson State is is getting all
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: the attention right now that.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: We getting all attentions because we're winning.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm not I'm saying you should get all
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: attentions right I'm just saying, how important is it to
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: collaborate with other teams in the swag other HBCUs to
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: kind of mean the coaches, Yeah, share information, share resources.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: I've got many of the several of the coaches on
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: the zoom call and say, let's talk about our biggest
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: nemesis or detractors or cancers, and we just talked about it,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: and ironically everybody's dealing with the same foolishes, but people
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: just don't talk about it. But this is the problem.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I could say stuff. Coach George could stay stuff, Coach
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Hugh Jackson could say stuff, you know you got the
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: NFL pipe gods, excuse me. But some guys that don't
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: have that, they may can't elaborate and talk about the
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: dysfunction that to dealing with because they're subject to be fired.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: And when we do it, you may not like it.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: But I'm not lying. So if I'm saying how we
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: gonna be on TV, you ain't sell out a durned
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: home game. So who won't want to film an empty stadium.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: They may not like it, but I ain't lying. How
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: can we have sixty thousand people in the Durance Stadium?
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: You talking about we sold out, and I checked the
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: receipts and we don't sold twenty eight thousand tickets. Now
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: y'all better find out who's still it because that affects
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: my pocket. You may not like it, but I ain't lying.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: So it's a lot of stuff like that. And it's
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: more that goes on on that we got to address.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: And I just have the audacity to address it because
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: it's for the kids. It's for the kids.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: When I hear you speak, I mean, obviously you representing
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: Jackson State, but you're speaking for the entire conference, is it.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: I think you were critical of Grambling and you were saying, like, look,
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: I think the word was pathetic, like their attendance.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: You right down the street, right, so.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Right down the street, and this is your biggest game
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: of the season. Okay. I know you get down with
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Southern in the classic you know, I know y'all can't
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: wait the party for these classics, and I get sick
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: of that these classes that ain't nobody making no money,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: but you want to go there.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: I want to go there, Okay, but you right down
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: the street.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: This is your biggest game, like we're the dogs, like
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: we're the ones you want to get and you don't
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: come to support that. And your coaches already sounded off,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: and I was really having his back. He's already sounded
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: off at your attendance and your participation, and you didn't
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: come for this. And then when we get up on
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: you three, I know you said the heat and all
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: that it was hot, folks is fall. Now the heat
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: was on our side to it.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: That was fun.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: It wasn't just on one side of the stadium that
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: the heat was just on their side. No, when we
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: got up a few touchdowns, the heat got hot because
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: when it was tight, everybody was there and cheering, and
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: you're like the church said, yeah, but when we hit
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: that gill, yeah you got hot. Yeah. Since the six
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: points later got hot up in there in there. Yeah,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: but all those people who really dealt with the heat exhaustion.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I prayed for him, I really do, because it happened
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: on both sides.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: Now, I was gonna say so that that approach long
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: term obviously will obviously lift the conference unless HPC us
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: in general.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: All right, that's the approach.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: So the other thing about that is that you are
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: the leader of the swack right now, and so when
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: you we are the leader, you are we we are
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: the leaders. So well, you went to a bowl game
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: last year?
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Cool?
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: And so when the when the bulls get paid out,
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: the paid out for the school or is there a
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: part of that that goes to the conference as well?
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: How does that work? You're good, it's paid to the schools.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Both schools get a a sum of money. My question
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: was if we went out there and we want to
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: did that while we splitting some that we did that
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: the pro the football program did that. The school didn't
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: do that. The football program did that. So those are
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: my questions as well as concerns. Okay, yeah, I want
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: to see that. How is that regulated and dispensed? Right?
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: Dispersed rather, that's the key word, because again, and I
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: heard you speak about it, like the guys in that
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: locker room, of the ones putting their lives on the line,
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: they're risking the health and safety. Obviously, if something is
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: coming back to the school, majority of it should.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Be for the people who at least you many percentage
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: okay and unfair show many percentage. And I know we
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: have some some some things that we need to address
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: amongst the school, but we did this. Man. Let's take
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: care of us and the things that we have shortcomings
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: that we have right now, and then we'll deal with
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: the school needs.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: So you made history last year. You got the number
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: one play in the country, Travis Hunter. And you know
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: that's obviously something I don't think i's ever been done
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: before the HBCU to get the numb so it's always
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: been talked about, but you actually was able to do it.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: How was that conversation with his family? How were you
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: able to convince him to come into Jackson State? Was
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: a was a better choice than going to any other
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: school that he could have went to.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: We didn't have to really convince Travis to come to
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Jackson State. We just really had to show Travis through
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: the way and show him to like the mistake that
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: the other schools made eight was to allow Travis to
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: come to a homecom You don't want to let a
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: top recruit come to a HPC homecoming. Earns.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's just like coming to a carnival, a wonderful gathering, yeah,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: A wonderful gathering of a family reading. Yeah. So, and
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: we have some of the same things in common travels
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: like the fish. I love the fish. The kid studied
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: my life and thank god because he knows me like
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: a book and I felt like I knew him. So
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: when we got down and really started to talk about
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: things in this game and what he wanted to accomplish
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: in this game, it's like, I'm your navigational system. Everything
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: you talked about, I'm done, let's go. It wasn't no begging,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: no pleading, no strong arm, and no payday. Travis's mother
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: is wonderful spiritual woman as well, and she got it.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: I mean she got it. She's like my baby coming here.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: That's what it is. And you know, that's really how
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I went down. It wasn't it wasn't no tooth pull,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: it wasn't nothing like that. He wanted to be here,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: and we made it possible for him to be here.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure a lot of players, I mean, what
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: better to learn from the best, like So that's an
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: advantage that I don't think anybody else really has. So
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: I'm sure that's very good for recruiting. Yeah, if they're
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: looking to take that correct to the next level, they
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: can learn from the best that's ever did it.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Not only on the field, but off the fielding in life.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: So Travis watches everything, man like you can't do nothing
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: with that. And White we were sitting in the training
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: room together today, just sitting on the table, and that's
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: going over my foot and it was doing his anger.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I say, know what, dog, you get me your left
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: leg and I give you my right and we a
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: whole dog. So the nickname is baby prom whore. Travis. Yeah,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: I never heard that. I'm wondering.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: I'm wondering because I've read that you said this, Maybe
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: didn't that he's at this point of his life better
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: than you.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is I've never heard. Now, don't talk like no,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I'm not, but I'm not lying. I wasn't nearly the athlete.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: I take that back. I was the athlete, but not
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: straight football. You know. I had other things that I
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: could do really well. But at the football player he
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: is way farther than I was. Like, Travis came in
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: ready to take the opposing team's best receiver right now,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: right now, He's already ready for that. He's he's a
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: dog man. He going there on the practic, just still
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: to take our best receiver. Let's do this, and he
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: ain't playing, and you, if you mess around to catch one,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: let's do it again. So that's how Travis gets down
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: and he mentally and he wants to learn. He'll grab me, coach,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: come over here, just watch me and seven. So I said, no,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I can't just stand on the side and watch you
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: the whole time. I got to watch the whole team,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: which is watching for a few players. I mean, that's
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: the way he wants to be great, and I love
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: that about it. And he ain't no joke out there
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: on the grass man.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: So he obviously has projections to be a pro.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: But the thing about it, you're right, but on both sides,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: he's Travis is just as good a receiver as he
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: is a DV. That's what I'm saying. He is unbelievable.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: He gets that ball. Man, that ball is a magnet
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: for him. Man, he the kid is a freak.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: But that's one of the amazing things about you is
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: that you really could do everything like you know, as
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: far as special teams, why either corner back, we ain't
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: talking about baseball. That's a hold up a conversation. But
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: that's that's not a track and fields as well. Yeah,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: so that's not easy to do it today. You don't
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: see too many people doing that today's game.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: But they do talk the kids out of it, because
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: now you got this coach was getting handsomely paid by
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: this high school or the seven on seven team or
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: this AAU team. That's telling that kid, hey, you need
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: to just focused on this boyd and you go all
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: the way. No, man, why because you just focused on that,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: you ain't go all the way?
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: Let the kids what we did.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: We played everything back in the day. Right now everything
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: is singular hyper focus. Yes, it's singular. You that's not
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: fair to the kid. You gotta let a kid be
• 38:44
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• 38:48
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• 38:53
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• 38:57
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• 39:00
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• 39:03
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• 39:13
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  Speaker 3: That makes absolutely no sense when conferences like schools on
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: the West Coast in the Big East and Big Ten
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: has thirteen.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Schools, they getting paid.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I say that to say it's all. It's
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: all everything is derived around football and the conferences is
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: just going crazy.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: No, they ain't they going money. They all business going.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: So I say that to say, is there ever any
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: way possible that you foresee Jackson State being in a
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: power conference at some point?
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Tom, I would like to see that when we're ready.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: We gotta be ready now when you when you start
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: jumping conferences, and I don't want to just jump to
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: the baby conference. If I'm gonna jump, let's bunge a
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: jump let's do the dog on thing. Okay, so I
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: gotta get the traviss I gotta get Travis's there too. Okay,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: up front on both sides, offensive defensive line with some depth,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: because that's how the big boys should get you. Now.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: They can't mess with you in a skill position because
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: we had a quarterback that could spend it. We got
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: receivers that could go, dbs that could go, linebackers that
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: could bang and cover. Where they get you is right
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: here in the trenches. Because now when they rotate, they rotate,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: and you they got eight heat seeking missiles coming and
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: you may have four, so soon or later you're gonna
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: wear down. So you got to beef that up if
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: you want to compete with the big boys.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: But you you would like that.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I want that.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: I meant what conference.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: I know, it don't matter. Somebody a conference that is
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: gonna make sure that we don't have a struggle no more,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: because everything is a struggle. Everything is not enough, everything
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: is less than. Everything is like thereof it's gonna be
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: a conference that can put the whole school on that
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: we straight.
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: I SEC would be big, it could be big twelve two.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: I mean facing that you see it's like this the biggest.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: This is the biggest.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: When you start talking like that, you got to answer
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: to the house. So that was so you you got stadiums,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: you gotta have facilities.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, ain't nobody, Come on, man, I want to get
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: to if I want to talk.
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: Coming here like this, you said playing the big boys,
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: And I know one of the things you touched on
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: recently was the money games, true and the disperries and
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: that can can you elaborate and explain to people because
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: when we see a uh, let's pick a pick up
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: a random school.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Uh, let's say you guys play Alabama. No, you just
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: saw Alabama State right out there against u c l A. Right, Okay,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: big dog, I don't mind that, but tell the kids
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: what it is. I'm playing for money. I'm playing so
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: that we could pay for this, pay for it. Don't
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: like you got a chance because you know you don't.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: And then if you playing for money, do real business.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: So you getting five hundred thousand, five hundred ninety thousand
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: whatever was reported what you called and check and see
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: how much as charter flight is two charters because you
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: got one for the team and one for the band. Okay,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: going that California. Now you've got hotels and all that,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: all those accommodations, and probably two nights of food and
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: all that. That's probably six meals. That's gonna be an
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: upward of seven hundred, eight hundred to a million, But
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: you're getting five ninety. So you took a l and
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: took a l going and getting beat done. Literally.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So to me.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: If I put my kids in a situation where there's
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: no win and this is detrimental to their health, I'm
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: selling them out. We were big on that terminology in
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: African Americans. I'm putting you in a situation where I
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: know you're not gonna win, and I'm not even getting
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: handsomely compensated for it. That's a problem. But you have
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: the same situation when another school goes to Nebraska and
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: play and they get one point four one point seven.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Another school goes to Penn State and go to one
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: of these other schools and they get one point five
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: or they get one point three. They're doing better business
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: to me in the value not in the school that
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: could beat me. It's in the school that I'm gonna
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: beat because I really just played a setup game just
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: to beat you. Right, If I'm paying you. They mean
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: I need to whoop you. Right, when a boxer pays
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: another boxer, they paying him to what whoop it. It
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: may whether they be gonna pay you if his purse
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: is a twenty million and he paying you fifteen millions.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: But no, no, he's gonna pay you significantly less because
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: he knows he gonna whoop you. It don't make sense
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: to me. Man, the numbers just don't add up to me.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: That's a problem for me.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: So who negotiates that from the city has to be
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: It has to be the ad.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Ad does it?
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, because I remember when I used to play basketball,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: and I remember we used to see like Copping State.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: They used to always the first fifteen games was on
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: the road. They play Ohio State, Michigan.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Beat down pockets fat though he start to seize it off,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: like and ten over twelve.
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: So say the SEC has that one week every year,
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: they're like, this is Cupcake City.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: Why are you playing UCL moro?
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Because it's to pay a game for them, right, yeah,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: but you got to make sure you get compensated enough.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: It's not worth my kids getting hurt. Then I gotta
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: go and talk them. You know what, we could do
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: it next week. I know what happened last and I'm
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: sorry about that. We had to go get the bag.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: That's what the conversation should be. We had to go
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: get the bag. Guess what we could do it this week.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: We could beat them. But I can't do it. I
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: can't say. I'm a kids.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: Let's what I'm saying.
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: Even when you get the bag, it's still coming back
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: to the school, not necessarily their their program.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: And you ain't even bringing enough back because you got
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: to make it back home, right and you didn't even
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: get enough to even make it back home with a bag.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: And at some point a conversation has to have. It
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: has to be had about funding for these schools, especially
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: the state schools, because it's like why a lot of
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Ohio states and state school like Florida states and state
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: school but why the black state schools never get any money.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Enrollment. You gotta talk about enrollment. And we got to
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: quit stop accepting whatever they give us. They can't just
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: throw no money at you. You say, oh, thank you,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: No man, stop accepting the foolishness that they give you.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: If you accept peanuts, they gonna thank your money sooner later.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: You got to stop dancing clapping for for a little
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: dams they're throwing in your plate. You got to demand
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: we deserve more. And this is why, and it's documented.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: So one of the things you talked about, obviously is
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: the facilities. If we're gonna grow and win, win in comes.
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: Success becomes more money. I know, even like here, when
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: you came here, this women were sitting there did not exist.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't, right, So these are practice field did
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: not exist, God not exist. None of this existed. And
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: we're thankful that we have an a d that that
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: knows how to fight. And we partner and we communicate
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: and we articulate to one another the needs and the
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: thoughts and the process of getting them. And then I
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: got partners right who helped.
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: And one of the things that kind of got glossed
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: over was like even when this wasn't ready, Coase Props said, look,
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: take half of whatever I'm making.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: Make it happen. Yeah, I had to finish, get it done.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I had to get it done because I'm gonna I
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: get tired of telling people this, this, this, this this
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: soon as you just maybe not do it, I'm gonna
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: only tell you to cut the grass three times. Okay,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: after that, I'm gonna do it. Okay, So I'm not
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: gonna sit up here and just cry, cry, cry. I'm
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: gonna give you opportunity to do what you've been handsomely
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: paid to do your job. Then again, I'm gonna do it.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: So you've become the most recognizable person in the state
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: of Mississippi, and I don't even think it's closed, probably
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: by lands. So with that, I'm assuming there's a lot
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: on your plate that you probably necessarily didn't sign up for.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: So we just had.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say that. No, everything that that's on
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: my plate, I've been through the process at the youth level,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: at the high school level, or at some level. God
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: is taking me through it in the dark. So when
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: you hit the lights, I was ready.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: So let's talk about the water crisis, just if you
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: could educate us, because I mean, we see stuff on
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: social media. But then we got here. Last night we
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: went in a hotel. It seemed like it's okay, we're here,
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: that still school going on. So is it over? How
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: bad it is, it's not.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like it's over. I don't think it's over.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: There was no water pressure. We didn't have bathrooms and
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: didn't have toilets. The kids can take showers. So that
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: turned the air off. They turned the arrows off and
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: all the buildings and shut down the school. You can
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: shut down the school when kids are in dorms. So
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: you gotta get the kids out of dorms and take
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: them to a hotel. And that's when my skill set
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: of being proactive helps instead of reactive. Okay, now when
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: this comes along, here we go, let's go. This is
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: what we gotta do. This the ship we get ready
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: to go play fam you in Florida. I tell you what.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Take the kids to the hotels, do this that We're
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: gonna feed them right here. We're gonna do this right here.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: We're gonna change this here and we'll bust over. We'll
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: practice here and we're good. We'll go back so they
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: can shower here. And then we're gonna get leave from
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: that hotel and going to Miami. Because we leave on
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: the Thursday, and this hit us on a on a Tuesday,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: so we good. Now why we kick it butt? I
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: ain't even the night before. Hey, we're gonna kick the butts.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Where my kids going when we get back. So you
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: gotta afford think about that. Uh, I have that notice
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: to you the morning of the game. So eleven o'clock. Hey,
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: when my kid's going when we get back. Oh, we
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: already got them straight at this hotel. They'll stay there
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: to all this stuff. It's lift cool. We straight Let's
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: go because there's always about the kids, and I got
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: to make sure they're straight.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: How has the community, how's the community doing?
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Jackson is resilient, man. Jackson is some some some tough people.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Some it's some weightmakers, man, it's it's some prayer warriors.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: It's some good folks in Jackson that all they need
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: is hope. And thank God, that's what we're instilling in
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: them through our play because we give them hope. Because
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: you see, Jackson, Man, this is the state capitol, State's capital,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: and we having crises in the state's capital. We having
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: the foolishness in the states capitol. You see the roads
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: in the streets when you it's like you know, dren
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: in the state's capitol. It shouldn't be like that, but
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: it is. But they in crime they saying, you know what,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: let's proceed. We're gonna perceive with caution, but we're gonna proceed.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: And that's how the city of Jackson is there, resilient,
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: and I appreciate them for that, and they're thankful and
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: appreciative bunch of people. I can't go anywhere in town
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: with doubt. White, black, Hispanic agent with a coach brown.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: for just what we're doing here, not what I'm doing,
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: but what we're doing here because we instilled hope, and
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: we instill that a you can make it, you can
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: make it. Just hold on. Yeah.
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: I think the economic impact of you being here in
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: twenty and twenty one was I think nineteen million dollars
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: brought to the city thirty I was gonna get to
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: this year when they have it estimated over thirty.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: You got at least tipples, though it wasn't no tip
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: when the waitress service is good food, when a waitress
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: serve you don't just want to tip commic. It wasn't
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: no tip, common Curtis, give me a tip. At least
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: here's the program. A tip.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: Least over there asking for much.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, nobody sit down with me and talk about this.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: You know you brought charity mean into the city. Yes's
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: tip us was ten. Let's going there.
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: But okay, yeah, I mean that's a that's a lot, right,
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: that's a lot for true for I mean a program
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: which obviously you were the cornerstone, are coming here.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: And having that impact.
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: I wonder how much say or even do they come
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: to you and say, what can we improve campus.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: I just met with them a few weeks ago and
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I said, look, it's something we should be able to
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: do together because we're bringing you true economics, and you
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: know we are, So let's get together and figure out
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: how we can help one another. So if we brought
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: you thirty million and we didn't even communicate, we may
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: be able to bring you forty five. And we ever
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: sat down and talk and discuss business and help people
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: understand what Jackson is, what Jackson had, and what Jackson occupies,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: and and promote some but the hotels, the restaurants, some
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: of the businesses and Jackson. We could do all that
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: if we just communicate. Let's just do that. So that's
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: what we are. And I was supposed to have a
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: meeting this week about that. We just want to see
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: let us all.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, as far as being a
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: leader of young men, how has that been, because obviously
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: it's not easy dealing with You know, high school is
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: one thing, but college is a whole different animal. As
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: far as you know, kids is living on their own
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: for the first time. It's all kinds of influences. You got, girls,
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: you got, and now you know, they're getting social media recognition,
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: they're meeting celebrities. So how has that been as far
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: as dealing with them young men?
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Let me answer the question first. You said being a
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: leader of young men, it's hard to be a leader
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: of young men when you haven't been a leader of
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: older men. I've been a leader of men, so being
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: the leader of young men is just another level. And
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: I'm truly prepared because I'm a real daddy. I'm a
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: real father, and I take bothering serious. So when I'm
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: looking at these young men, I'm sitting up here in shadors.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: There shallows there sometimes and sometimes he ain't. That was
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: some truth that just fit right. But I try to
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: get to know them at some point in time personally,
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: so I know what I'm up against and how to communicate.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: I may can't yell at him, but I can yell
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: at him because he needs it, because he grew up
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: in a single mother home, single parent home, and mother
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: and baby him all day, and he needs to hear
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: a man's voice. He don't really need to be scolded
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: and got on because he come from a dude parent home.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: All he need is direction. Okay, this one right here,
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: it is late and tardy. He needs structure. So I
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: got to make sure he stays within the guidelines of
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: everything him. I got to punish him here and there
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: to make sure he understands you can't get away with
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: the foolishness. Either you gonna be a part of this
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: or you're gonna be out the door. It's so many
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: different nuances in here, and the coaches do a wonderful
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: job of understanding all these. All we act is smart, tough, fast,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: discipline with character. Smart tough, fast, disciplined with character. And
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: the fast ain't got nothing to do with running is
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: to retain things fast when you get hurt, healed fast.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: When when we brought up a play, okay, react, read
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: and react fast. And you know, being smart on the
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: field off the feel tough, physical and mental toughness. You
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: know you can't sit up there and blame everything on
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: mental health. Because I didn't hear you blaming mental health
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: when you was going touchdowns, but when that thing took
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: a left and people want to clap it in chair,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: now you're gonna wave the mental health flag. I'm a
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: ride with you, and I'm gonna get your help. But
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna sit there and look at you say now, now,
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: I want you to be the same when you up
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: and when you down. I need the same guy with
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: that same spirit, that same intensity, that same passion for everything.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: So I love this ain't worked for me, man. I
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: get here probably full forty full forty five every morning
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: and it ain't nobody here, and I'm ready go over
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: there and get my work out in, come back, go
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: over them a note and prepare myself for the morning
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: message that we have with the kids. And I can't
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: wait till they ready. So I walk in. The meeting
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: starts at seven fifteen. That means I'm starting at seven
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: oh five or seven oh eight seventeen at the latest,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: because I'm teaching them how to be early, how to
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: be prepared.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: If you're on late, There you go, Toti, there you go.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: I said, valuable lesson in life.
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: I saw the character building and obviously on your Instagram.
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: You have the no slides rule and making sure that
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: everybody there's no tank tops if you're a part of it.
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: The lastly, we need to somebody speaking on the character
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: of the players out of here. So you're building not
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: just athletes, but your building for the future. So you
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: got Travis and then you have Captain Coleman as well
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: top you know, the five star recruit. Do you feel
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: like the power fives are starting to feel threatened about
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: what you're doing.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: No, they're not threatning yet. They threatening, but they know me.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: You you don't have to be a threat, but you
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: being known it's enough. It's like, okay, you know it's
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: like he over there. Yeah, it's him, he over there.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Ye'll better keep it one on that. I'm not threatening,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: but they got it out there. Ain't nothing wrong with that.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this. They said sixty five seventy
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: percent of NFL athletes go bankrupt five years after they
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: are done playing. Uh, disturbing statistic. That ain't just in
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: the veil now well as the NBA. I think he's
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: a little bit lower, but the NFL is a little
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: bit higher because your shorter careers, they make less money. Yeah,
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: how important is it for financial literacy for your kids?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Very much so, and we try to incorporate everything. Matter
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: of fact, I have several kids on the team right
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: now that are fathers, but their kids that are fathers
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: of kids. That disturbs me because I know how tough
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: it is to be a real daddy. I don't want
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: them to be a baby daddy. I want them to
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: be a father. So not only financial literacy, but understanding
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: how to be a man. It's a whole another level.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Ninety of those kids to sit back there aren't going
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: pro So my focus is not on that five because
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: that five got it. My focus is on that ninety five.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: The Bible says train of a child and the way
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: it should go when he's over here and never departed.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: I need to train them up and be the navigational
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: system on where they should go.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: Was it difficult for you to become a millionaire at
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: a young age? Is you make financial I was always.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Cheap manill, but I made some mistakes, definitely, so you know,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: see it get it wanted. I made some mistakes, but
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: I was blessed because I had two jobs and endorsements.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: So when Tom Dick and Harry was trying to keep
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: up with prime mean, no, I was I could bank
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: all the football and bank all of baseball and spend
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: all endorsements. That's not how I went down. But I've
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: made some valued, viable mistakes. But real estate has always
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: been good to me and got me back in the game.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: So I'm a land freak. I love land. I love
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: real estate.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: Oh so, is there an area of the country or
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: maybe internationally that you're like, all right, this is my focus,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: this is my hope for real estate.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: No, I mean homes in land, Like I've always lived
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: on one hundreds of acres and able to flip it,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: you know, like after ten years of the decade. But
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: now I feel like I found out where I want
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: to live and that's it. But I got that property
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: several places. I'm good. I'm straight.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: So I heard you say something that was interesting to
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: me because I always knew that you didn't drink or smoke,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: But what I didn't know You said, like, you're more
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: of an introverted person, like you don't gonna like to
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: be around, which is interesting because your hope her Souna's
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: prime Time and dance and flash to chains all of that.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: So I was surprised to hear you say that, but
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: you articulated it very well when I heard you spoke
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: about that. So can you talk about that as far?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: I think you said something like the Prime Time was
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: more like a carrier.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a switch. When I see cameras, I can
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: hit a switch. And I know how to entertain, I
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: know how to inform. But when you're gone, Sam will
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: tell you, I'm gonna go into office and seclude myself
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: and engulf myself in trying to be dominant in what
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: we do. And I'd rather not be in a crowd.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't mind playing in front of crowds,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: but I'm not gonna go into a crowd. I'm never
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: gonna do that, like knowingly and selfishly. I'm not that
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: kind of person. I'm never gonna be the loudest guy
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: in the room. I'm not that kind of person. I'm
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: never gonna sit there and articulate about my whole life
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: unlesson being interviewed, because that ain't me. The only time
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: I raised my voice is when I'm out there on
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: the field. So there's d On this Prime. Prime you
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: know commands checks. Yeah, d On makes sure Prime is
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: on his job and make sure he's balance. They both
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: need it.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: You talked about the power of relationships, and you spoke
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: about some people who have come to the school obviously uh,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: former NFL players, but you also start to bring in
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: NFL coaches. Yes, so can you talk about the importance
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: of that, because that when you have that type of
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: character and you have that type of mindset, it, you know,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: it spills down to the players. Now they're coach at
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: an NFL level, whereas they didn't have.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: To go to big school to do it. They can
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: come right here and do point.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: That was tremendous for me when I comprised a staff.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: You got to understand, Now you take a par of
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: five job, it's a totally different game because your staff
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: has to be at a certain level. You take an
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: HBCU job, it's another thing. Not only your staff have
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: to be at a certain level, they got to be
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: relatable to these kids. So when I'm able to go
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: divide my staff up and say, okay, I got four
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: guys from the NFL, I got a few guys from college,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: and I got a few high school guys, that's unbelievable
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: because it's all relatable. We got guys coming out of
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: high school going to college want to go to the NFL.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: So I got guys that can touch them in every
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: aspect of life, and being able to sit them down
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: down with a guy who has a plethora of years
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: in the NFL to talk to them and say this
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: is how it is. What coach is telling you is
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: one hundred. You can't do that foolishness out there because
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: they just gonna cut you and it's gonna be over.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: So having that knowledge and having the audacity to be
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: able to call a guy one linebacker was talking junk
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: about who he was, what he was. All right, let
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: me ask ray Lewis okay, right? Can you tell this
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: food what them? You know? It's like that. So when
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: you have those type of relationships, and I've done that
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: several times with some of my friends, just to show
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: these guys and put them on the screen in the
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: morning and let them see touch these guys with Michael
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Irvins and some of these guys that are phenomenal, like dang,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: you know that was Chad on your single. That was
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Michael Irban right there in the meeting room. You know,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's wonderful and those kids need that, man,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: They need to see that they can make it and
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: see that person that made it.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: Chat ain't get by you yet right now. Oh yeah,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: they got a thing on.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: We got it on sight.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Chat. So you said something that was
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: interested on social media. You said that the Hall of Fame,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: that should be a hall of fame like levels.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: To levels of everything.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the fact everything should be levels to.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: That because come on, just the one that this is
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: gonna say, let me get my TV right, who is that?
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: What? What?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: What? To me?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: That's they just announced that the new nominees today.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: To me, a Hall of Famer growing up was a
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: guy who changed the game, like Mal Blunt. Man was
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: that dude for me? Like Mail Blunt changed the game.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: He was so valient and physical. They changed the whole
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: contact rule down the field because he was teen yards
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: down the field. You know, he was just just breaking
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: them off. And certain guys just changed the game. Now
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: it's guys that played the game then you had a
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: few good years that that ain't right for me, man,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: that that's not what I grew up on. They unchanged
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: the game. They've changed the Hall of Fame game.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: To me, you grew up with I mean I grew up.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: You played with game changes.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: I played to me. My era was Let me put
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: this like, let me give you a argument when people
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: talk about receivers, and I said, Okay, Jerry was in
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: my era the greatest, the greatest. But who Jerry had
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: thrown to him? Yeah, okay, so not only I had
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: the cover the greatest, greatest was throwing to him. So
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: in my era, mica Irwin was one of the greatest.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Right who was throwing to him? Three Super Bowls? What
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: he one of the greatest? Two? I mean, who keep going?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: You keep going with the quarterbacks of marriage Jim Kelly,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Who are at Andre Re? And who else?
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: James Lost James Loften, Lofty Loft, we.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: Keep going all day. What I'm saying like, it wasn't
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: just I'm covering the Hall of Famer, it's another one
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: throwing it. Now, you're lucky to get one cat. You're
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: not gonna get the quarterback and the receiver. It's gonna
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: be one. It was a different it was a different era.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: It was a difficult error. Okay, go ahead, say what
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: you're gonna say. I'm thinking I'm thinking of quarterback receiver
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: combos that could end up in the Hall of Fame
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: right now, that could from this past decade. I think
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: Rothlisberger and ab could go this based on stats, based
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: on stats for the first.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: No good with ad Oh, but I mean you know
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: then that he's not whole. I think he is the
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: chips too in my ara.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: Whole.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he won one to Jim Kelly.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: That's a fact. That's a fact, and it ain't It
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: ain't just.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: He didn't win the team, thank you. When Jim Kelly
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: was Jim Kelly, Jim Kelly was Jim Kelly. Teams get wins. No,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Jim Kelly was that they had something man to shoot.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: It's tough. I'm not taking anything away fro jail.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: They had tough that that that offense, the way they
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: ran that thing, man, please, they put everybody on notice
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: in the secondary. Everybody's gonna get it, all right, Rogers
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: and and Adams debt. They're not together no more dog,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: but they were. I'm saying from this this past new
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: addition was together one time, but going together.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: It was is Bobby going the boat and uh what
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: I ate every dight.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: Who was that the big one? That the big one
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: that I ate every dance. I can't even recognize you
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: the right to Johnny that was that was recognized Johnny.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: I probably got Johnny my Man.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to say I got a better one,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison or Reggie Wayne.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, these are Hall of famous. That was in my era.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: That was ten years ago.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: That was Payton, the Marbles in a yea later later later.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just started.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's like your Ravens years though, No, they was.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: They was in the mid Cowboy years.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: And then also what happened after you left is that
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: the league became a wide receivers league, and all of
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: these wide receivers became the face of the league and
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: they started becoming it's always.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: A quarterbacks quarterback. Yeah, but they still don't have the
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: like if you went back. They don't have the numbers.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: They don't have the numbers. The wide receivers they don't
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: have the numbers. They're good, but they don't have numbers.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: That's why I said they that because he has the numbers.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: I promise you, I'm gonna tell you someth heb is
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: my dog. Y'all know how I feel about it. It
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: would be all hell broke loose. If they let being all,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: I would go. I ain't been back since I would
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: go just.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: To see that one that's gonna be gonna dance.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: He'd be probably cut the butt, nuggad.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: It's a chance.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: So if if we if we make it levels, what
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: what color jacket that we're gonna be there?
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: It should be a bright red, bright red? Yep, who's
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: in there with you?
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: For the elite, for the leader?
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: What you mean, who's in there? Who's winning the rad shoot.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: Games? You want to go position back position Tom Brady, definitely,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: you just want to go. That's one team like that, Yeah,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: one team, let's go. Let's okay, one team. Let's go
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: ride with Brady.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: Who's a running back?
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: Running back? That that that's a that's a that's tough
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: for that though, I tell you what to two backs,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: two backs, Jim Brown.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, interesting's whose other one?
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: That's a tough one. That because I'll put Barry in there.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: Barry Santas was my favorite him and like Barry Sanders,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: they were just you know what, Barry never won and
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: it's difficult to put him in that.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: It was a dog too though.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: Garry Santas, like Alan iverson football it was a dog too.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: You.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: I said, let's go the next position. Uh do we
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: have to do full back? Let's do full back? All right,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: Wide receivers, Jerry Moss, Terry Moss, that's it.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: That's top too, that's it.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, uh skip the lines.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: Let's what you want to do.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: Defensive line.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: You don't know the offense lines to go ahead and.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: Offensive line will skipon off Who's who's who's the offensive
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: line the best?
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Yes? Okay, Larry Allen was a killer. Let's just get
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: this Cowboys.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: Barry Allen is crazy. Uhmos Cincinnati.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: That's like eighties guys, struggling.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: No, no, I'm just trying to put.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: A lineman.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: Don't get commercials defensive linement. Let's go defensive line health.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: That's where you started. Of course, he's a lot that's
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 5: changed the game from linebacker to Russia Reggie White. Okay,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: we'll take those two. Yeah, you have two now.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: Inside all Aaron aright now.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: Already yeah, ever, yes, ever.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's tougher now. Yeah, but this this is
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: a beast. That's tough.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: Now, he's a beast. What's that was the beast? That
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: was a beast? And then he wasn't a beast for
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: a little?
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: What about what about? Yeah? Yeah, okay, okay, okay. Linebacker?
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, ray Lewis, ray Lewis for sure? Who's the other.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: My favorite linebacker?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: You have the game? Game change it? You have to
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: go old school?
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: Are you gonna say buckets or segretary? What are you
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: gonna say? I say buckets?
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Okay? All here we go. Quarterback, I mean outside of you?
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: Was the other quarterback? You turned my back to have
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: a vote for that? Who's the other quarterback? The other
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: cornerback is uh Mail Blunt?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: What's that you said that? He said he's gonna say that? Yeah.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: I thought she's gonna say Rob Wilson. Rod was more
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: of a safety to me. There you go, though you
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: did your homework. Did your homework?
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: Even though you've never seen him play? But you did?
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: Did you know? So?
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: Then we get safety? Can I get too free?
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: Safety? Safety?
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: You got to I'm gonna say the best that I've
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: seen in my lifetime, Ronnie Lott, All right with you.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: I'm in the cup with your great guys, the punter, yes,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: special teams, Rick Devin Helster. I thought she was gonna
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: say you, but I was gonna say that, how does
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: Devin Helster not the first ballot whole fam.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: He's up there this year, it was the last year.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: Was the last year? That was the insult.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's definitely, that's what That's what really triggered me.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you ain't putting my.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: Boy in in tight end the best tight end Shark.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: It's not shanting Shark.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: It's not a he's a He's gonna say Grunk.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: I might have to say Gronk, but but.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: I think it would be Kelsey when it's all sitting there.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: The number of catches the game has changed.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: How many tight ends let the league in receiving yards?
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: I mean the quarterbacks throw that much. Now Yeah, Now
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: I was in.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: The conversation, of course, Shannon Sharks.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you gotta understand, see Gunk era, this is
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: how Grady was. Brady's era. They always won, say, they
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: were always up Therefore they didn't have to throw at
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: the conclusion of the game. It wasn't tight. He was
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: already winning, so he didn't wrack up.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: His numbers and he got hurt.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, think about that. See a lot of guys that
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: catch a lot of balls they losing too. Now, and
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: they have to throw throw, throw, and they getting any receptions.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: You know, the two thousand yard Russia.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: If you want to see a great corner, watch you
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: guy on a bad team, a great corner. M hmm.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: Watch him on a bad team. Watch the cornerbacks on
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: a bad team where you're getting your butt shell act.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: If you get your numbers on a bad team, you're
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: doing so.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 5: I'm a Washington guy. So Daryl Gan there was a
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 5: bad boy. He was a good one. He's short, but
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: he was great.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: Champ Bailly, another Washington champs, went to Denvil.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: He's up for the he's up for the for the
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: Hall of Fame right now already he said, no, I'm sorry.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Throughout Reeves is up. Yeah, Reavers first ball, this is
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: his yea.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: So we have Tom Brady has a quarterback that's sure,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: Tom or Joe, Tom or Joe.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm telling this. Out of those.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: We got a team. We got the all the all
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: UYL team right there.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, I got you.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: Well, prime before before we wrap it up, what's your
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: what's your plan for Jackson State in the next you know,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: a couple of years, five years? How do you do
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: you what's your I don't I don't do that. You
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: don't do that.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do dominate today and when I get tomorrow,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: i'mnna dominate that. I don't do that personally, life cool,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: but not for Jackson Adams do that. I gotta stay
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: right here and laser focus. Man. I'm trying to dominate
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: for the rest of the day. Then I'm gonna get
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: up and do it again tomorrow.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: Dak Prescott, he's in Mississippi, went to Mississippi State.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: He's a man there. Yeah, and now he's the America's team,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: so it's not America's team.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: Man. My old boss Jerry Jones is the best marketer ever.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: He came up with this. He's the only man that
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: could get you to believe that his team is gonna
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: win the championship every year and they never do. I
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: love him for that.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: Were you on the last seam knowing yes, ninety wow,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: it's been a minute, right.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: That hurt me when you went over there by the way,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 5: we don't want nowhere when you went Dallas, Yeah, business,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: I never was.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: I just was, I know, but he never offered me.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: They never told you that. They never offered me. You know.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: I found out I was playing for the Giants. And
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: I was in this restaurant and it was a preseason
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: and I seen this little white kid. Man, I think
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: he's catching punts of some with twenty one on. That's
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: I called my agent. I guess we ain't going back down. Huh.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: That's how I found out straight up, that's crazy.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: You're the only player that's ever played in a World
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: Series and Super Bowl.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: True that I believe. I don't think it ever happened. Again,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: they won't even allow it.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: Well, I was gonna ask you because you and both
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: Jackson the only people that's actually in my knowledge have
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: done that successfully for football.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: And Brian Jordan. Had Brian Jordan, he was my teammate
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: and he would have been an All Pro. And had
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: he continued playing football, damn forgot about him. He was
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: a dog.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: Do you think that you maximize your baseball career or.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: Do you know? No, I left it on the table.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: I have baseball dreams all the time.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: You think you could have done more.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: Man, When I have dreams all the time, I only
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: have dreams of things that were incomplete. I don't have
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: dreams of things that were complete. So I dreamed about
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: baseball all the time. You were a great Yankee.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: That was all right Yankee. I'm talking a good brave
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: or good red, but never great his So you played
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: for Stop Runner and he played for Jerry Jones. Yep,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: both of them were unbelieva owners. Changed the game, both changed. Yes,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: game changes.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I would have actually played baseball seniorly. George Steinberg
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: offered ment deal, and that they pulled. He got into
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: some junk and they pulled it back off the table.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: But I was going to accept it to play baseball full.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: Time and not play football.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: Football wouldn't have been the priority baseball with him, So
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: I probably would have caught the backside of football last
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: several games, which was cool. I did that several years anyway,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: just didn't seem like it, but I did.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because that season is over October October, and that's
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 5: probably like week four.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: So you think that will never happen again?
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: Baseball on football they won't allow it because they don't
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: let the kids play dual sports anymore. Yeah, I wish
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: it would, man. I appreciate you all to though.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: Thank you, brother, and cool. Appreciate it. Brother.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: This dame in Longan and thriller, ain't it? That's wrong.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: There you have it. A wrap on a SETP.
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