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DJT Audio Archive: Republican Debate #10 - Houston, Texas (February 25, 2016) · Real Donald Trump Wisdom

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  Welcome back to the University of Houston and
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  the Republican presidential debate. The candidates,
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  they are now in place. Their positions were selected
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  based on their standing in the delegate race
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  through Nevada, with the top candidate in the
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  center and the others extending outward. I want
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  to tell you how tonight's debate will work. As
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  moderator, I will guide the discussion, asking
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  questions and follow -ups, as will Maria Celeste,
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  Dana Bash, and Hugh Hewitt. Candidates, you'll
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  have a minute and 15 seconds to answer and 30
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  seconds for follow -ups and rebuttals. We have
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  timing lights that are visible to the candidates.
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  Those lights will warn you when your time is
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  up. And as the candidates requested, a bell will
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  sound like this. We know you all want to jump
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  in and debate these critically important issues,
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  but please wait until you're called on. These
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  are the rules all of the candidates have agreed
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  to. It's time for the candidates to introduce
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  themselves right now. You'll each have 30 seconds.
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  Dr. Carson, you're first. If someone had tried
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  to describe today's America to you 30 years ago,
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  you would have listened in disbelief. Americans
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  know that our nation is heading off the abyss
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  of destruction, secondary to divisiveness, fiscal
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  irresponsibility, and failure to lead. Marco,
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  Donald, Ted. John, we will not solve any of these
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  problems by trying to destroy each other. What
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  we need to do is be looking for solutions tonight.
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  It's not about us. It's about the American people.
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  Governor Kasich. Well, you know, on the way over
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  here, even getting ready earlier and sitting
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  in the green room and watching the early coverage,
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  you know, my father carried mail on his back
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  and his father was a coal miner. And my mother's
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  mother was an immigrant, could barely speak English.
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  And I'm standing on this stage. It's pretty remarkable.
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  But I want to tell you, there's a lot of young
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  people watching tonight. You can do whatever
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  you want to do in your life. America is an amazing
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  country where a kid like me can grow up to run
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  for president of the United States and be on
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  this stage tonight. So to all the young people
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  that are out there, your hopes, your dreams,
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  pursue them. Shoot for the stars. America is
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  great, and you can do it. Thank you, Wolf. Senator
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  Rubio. Well, thank you. This election, we have
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  to decide the identity of America in the 21st
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  century. But as part of this primary, we have
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  to find out our identity as a party and as a
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  movement. 36 years ago, Ronald Reagan and George
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  H .W. Bush began the Reagan Revolution. For a
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  generation, they defined conservatism as limited
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  government and free enterprise and a strong national
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  defense. But they also appealed to our hopes
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  and our dreams. Now we have to decide if we are
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  still that kind of party and still that kind
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  of movement. or if we're simply going to become
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  a party that preys on people's angers and fears.
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  I hope we remain that conservative movement that
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  appeals to our hopes and our dreams and the belief
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  that America will always be better in its future
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  than it's been in its history. Senator Cruz.
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  Welcome to Texas. Here, Texas provided my family
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  with hope. Here, my mom became the first in her
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  family ever to go to college. Here, my dad fled
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  Cuba. and wash dishes, making 50 cents an hour
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  to pay his way through the University of Texas.
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  I graduated from high school at Second Baptist,
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  not too far away from here. When I ran for Senate,
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  I promised 27 million Texans I would fight for
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  you every day and not for the Washington bosses.
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  And I'll tell you, as I travel the state, Democrats
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  tell me, I didn't vote for you, but you're doing
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  what you said you would do. And as president,
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  I will do the same. Mr. Trump. Thank you. My
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  whole theme is make America great again. We don't
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  win anymore as a country. We don't win with trade.
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  We don't win with the military, ISIS. We can't
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  even knock out ISIS. And we will. Believe me,
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  we will. We don't win in any capacity with health
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  care. We have terrible health care. Obamacare
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  is going to be repealed and replaced. We just
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  don't win. You look at our borders. They're like
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  Swiss cheese. Everybody pours in. We're going
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  to make a great country again. We're going to
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  start winning again. We're going to win a lot.
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  It's going to be a big difference. Believe me,
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  it's going to be a big, big difference. Thank
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  you very much. It's now time to begin questions.
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  Voters in the first four states have spoken,
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  and Mr. Trump has emerged as the frontrunner.
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  But in five days, the candidates will face their
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  biggest test yet, Super Tuesday, when nearly
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  half of the delegates needed to win the Republican
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  nomination will be awarded. And the biggest prize
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  of the night? is Texas. Immigration is a key
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  issue in this state for all voters nationwide,
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  including the many people watching us tonight
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  on Telemundo. So that's where we begin. Mr. Trump,
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  you've called for a deportation force to remove
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  the 11 million undocumented immigrants from the
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  United States. You've also promised to let what
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  you call the good ones come back in, your words,
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  the good ones, after they've been deported. Senator
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  Cruz would not allow them to come back in. He
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  says that's the biggest difference between the
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  two of you. He calls your plan amnesty, is it?
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  First of all, he was in charge of amnesty. He
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  was the leader. And you can ask Marco because
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  they've been debating this every debate that
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  we've had. As far as coming back in. Number one,
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  you wouldn't even be talking and you wouldn't
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  have asked that as the first question if it weren't
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  for me when my opening, when I talked about illegal
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  immigration. It wouldn't even be a big subject.
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  But we either have a country or we don't have
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  a country. We have at least 11 million people
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  in this country that came in illegally. They
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  will go out. They will come back. Some will come
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  back, the best, through a process. They have
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  to come back legally. They have to come back
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  through a process, and it may not be a very quick
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  process, but I think that's very fair and very
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  fine. They're going to get online with other
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  people. The best of them will come back, but
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  they're going to come back through a process.
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  Senator Cruz, Senator Cruz, what's wrong with
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  letting what Mr. Trump calls the good ones come
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  back to the United States? You know, the people
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  that get forgotten in this debate over immigration
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  are the hardworking men and women of this country,
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  are millions of Americans who are losing their
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  jobs, millions of legal immigrants who are losing
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  their jobs or seeing their wages driven down.
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  You know, the past couple of weeks, the Wall
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  Street Journal had a very interesting article
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  about the state of Arizona. Arizona put in very
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  tough laws on illegal immigration, and the result
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  was illegal immigrants fled the state. And what's
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  happened there, it was a very interesting article,
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  some of the business owners complained. that
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  the wages they had to pay workers went up. And
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  from their perspective, that was a bad thing.
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  But what the state of Arizona has seen is the
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  dollars they're spending on welfare, on prisons,
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  on education, all of those have dropped by hundreds
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  of millions of dollars. And the Americans, and
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  for that matter, the legal immigrants who are
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  in Arizona, are seeing... unemployment drop or
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  seeing wages rise. That's who we need to be fighting
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  for. Listen, we have always welcomed legal immigrants,
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  but I think it is a mistake to forgive those
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  who break the law to allow them to become U .S.
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  citizens. And that's why I've led the fight against
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  granting citizenship to those here illegally.
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  And that's why I will do the same thing as president.
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  Mr. Trump, you want to respond to that? Well,
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  I'm very glad that Ted mentioned Arizona, because
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  probably the toughest man on borders is Sheriff
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  Joe Arpaio. And two days ago, he totally endorsed
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  me. So, thank you. Senator Rubio. Senator Rubio.
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  Senator Cruz has called your immigration plan...
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  amnesty and has an ad out there comparing it
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  to President Obama's. He says both of you support
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  allowing undocumented immigrants legal status
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  here in the United States after a background
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  check, paying a fine and paying taxes. Are those
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  claims correct? Well, first of all, before we
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  do anything, and I've been abundantly clear on
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  this, when I'm president of the United States,
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  before we do anything on immigration, we are
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  going to secure the border. And that's not just
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  the physical border with Mexico. It's visa overstays.
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  That's 45 % of the problem right there. It also
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  has to do, that's why we need E -Verify and an
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  entry -exit tracking system and so forth. And
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  until that happens, we're not doing anything
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  else. And then we'll see what the American people
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  are willing to support. And Donald mentioned,
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  because he mentioned me in his answer, that his
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  position on immigration is what's driven this
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  debate. Well, the truth is, though, that a lot
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  of these positions that he's now taking are new
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  to him. In 2011, he talked about the need for
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  a pathway to citizenship. In 2012, Donald criticized
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  Mitt Romney, saying that Mitt lost his election
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  because of self -deportation. And so even today,
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  we saw a report in one of the newspapers that,
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  Donald, you've hired a significant number of
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  people from other countries to take jobs that
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  Americans could have filled. My mom and dad,
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  my mom was a maid at a hotel. And instead of
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  hiring an American like her, you have brought
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  in over a thousand people from all over the world
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  to fill those jobs instead. So I think this is
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  an important issue. And I think we all realize
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  increasingly that's an important issue for the
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  country that's been debated for 30 years, but
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  finally needs to be solved once and for all.
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  Mr. Trump. Well, first of all, self -deportation
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  is people are going to leave as soon as they
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  see others going out. If you look at Dwight Eisenhower
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  in the 1950s, they started moving people out
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  and the rest of them left. Self -deportation,
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  as I really define it, and that's the way I define
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  it, is you're going to get some to go and the
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  rest are going to go out. As far as the people
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  that I've hired in various parts of Florida during
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  the absolute prime season, Palm Beach, and other
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  locations, you could not get help. It's the up
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  season. People didn't want to have part -time
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  jobs. There were part -time jobs, very seasonal,
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  90 -day jobs, 120 -day jobs, and you couldn't
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  get. Everybody agrees with me on that. They were
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  part -time jobs. You needed them, or we just
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  might as well close the doors because you couldn't
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  get help in those hot, hot sections of Florida.
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  My point that I made was that you had criticized
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  Mitt Romney for self -deportation. You said that
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  his strategy of self -deportation It's why he
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  lost the election. And I think people in Florida
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  would be surprised because, in fact, the article
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  that was today, they interviewed a number of
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  people that would have been willing to do those
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  jobs if you had been willing to hire them to
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  do it. I criticized Mitt Romney for losing the
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  election. He should have won that election. He
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  had a failed president. He ran a terrible campaign.
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  He was a terrible candidate. That's what I criticized
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  Mitt Romney. He ran one terrible campaign. That's
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  an election that should have been won. I agree
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  we should have won, and I wish we would have.
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  But in fact, you did criticize him for using
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  the term self -deportation. I mean, that's on
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  the record, and people can look it up right now
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  online. But again, I just want to reiterate,
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  I think it's really important, this point. I
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  think it's fine. It's an important point that
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  you raise, and we discuss on immigration. This
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  is a big issue for Texas, a huge issue for the
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  country. But I also think that if you're going
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  to claim that you're the only one that lifted
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  this into the campaign, that you acknowledge
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  that, for example, you're the only person on
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  the stage that's ever been fined for hiring people
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  to work on your projects illegally. You hired
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  some workers from Poland. No, no, I'm the only
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  one on the stage that's hired people. You haven't
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  hired anybody. And by the way, I'm hired. And
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  by the way, I've hired tens of thousands of people
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  over my job. You've hired nobody. You've hired
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  a thousand people from another company, from
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  another country. You've had nothing but problems
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  with your credit cards, etc. Don't tell me about
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  that. Let me finish the statement. You haven't
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  hired one person in your life. He hired workers
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  from Poland, and he had to pay a million dollars
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  or so in a judgment. That's wrong. That's wrong.
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  That's a fact. Totally wrong. People can look
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  it up. I'm sure people are Googling it right
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  now. Trump, Polish workers. You'll see a million
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  dollars for hiring illegal workers on one of
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  his projects. He did. You know it's intro. That
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  happened. I've hired tens of thousands of people
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  over my lifetime. Benny from other countries
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  instead of hiring Americans. Let me talk. I've
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  hired tens of thousands of people. He brings
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  up something from 30 years ago. It worked out
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  very well. Everybody was happy. And by the way,
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  the laws were totally different. That was a whole
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  different world. But I've hired people. Nobody
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  up here has hired anybody. Senator Cruz, you
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  say you want to deport the 11 million undocumented
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  immigrants. but you never want to allow them
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  to come back to the United States. What would
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  happen to the children who are U .S.-born citizens
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  whose parents will be deported under your plan?
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  Well, existing law provides that those who are
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  deported cannot come back here legally. U .S.
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  citizens can come back. That's existing law.
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  But let me say, Wolf, I really find it amazing
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  that Donald believes that he is the one who discovered
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  the issue of illegal immigration. I can tell
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  you when I ran for Senate here in the state of
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  Texas, I ran promising to lead the fight against
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  amnesty, promising to fight to build a wall.
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  And in 2013, when I was leading the fight against
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  the Gang of Eight amnesty bill, where was Donald?
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  He was firing Dennis Rodman on Celebrity Apprentice.
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  And indeed, if you look at the Gang of Eight,
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  one individual on this state broke his promise
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  to the men and women who elected him and wrote.
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  the amnesty bill. But Donald funded the Gang
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  of Eight. If you look at the eight members of
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  the Gang of Eight, Donald gave over $50 ,000
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  to three Democrats and two Republicans. And when
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  you're funding open border politicians, you shouldn't
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  be surprised when they fight for open borders.
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  And I think if you want to know who actually
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  will secure the borders and follow through, you
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  ought to ask, who has a record? before they were
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  a candidate for president, of fighting to secure
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  the borders and stop amnesty. And I'm the only
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  one on this stage that has that record. And by
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  the way, Marco is exactly right that a federal
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  court found Donald guilty of being part of a
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  conspiracy to hire people illegally and entered
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  a $1 million judgment against him. Mr. Trump.
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  I can only say this, and I've said it loud and
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  clear, and I've said it for years, and many of
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  these people are sitting right in the audience
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  right now, your lobbyists and your special interests
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  and your donors, because the audience is packed
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  with them, and they're packed with you. I've
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  had an amazing relationship with politicians.
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  with politicians, both Democrat, Republican,
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  because I was a businessman. As one magazine
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  said, he's a world -class businessman. He was
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  friendly with everybody. I got along with everybody.
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  You get along with nobody. You don't have one
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  Republican. You don't have one Republican senator,
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  and you work with them every day of your life,
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  although you skipped a lot of time. These are
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  minor details. But you don't have one Republican
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  senator backing you. Not one. You don't have
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  the endorsement of one Republican senator and
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  you work with these people. Senator Cruz. You
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  should be ashamed of yourself. You know, I actually
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  think Donald is right. He is promising if he's
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  elected, he will go and cut deals in Washington.
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  And he's right. He has supported. He has given
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  hundreds of thousands of dollars to Democrats.
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  Anyone who really cared. about illegal immigration
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  wouldn't be hiring illegal immigrants. Anyone
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  who really cared about illegal immigration wouldn't
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  be funding Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, wouldn't
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  be funding the Gang of Eight. And, you know,
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  he is right. When you stand up to Washington,
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  when you honor the promise you made to the men
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  and women who elected you and say, enough with
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  the corruption, enough with the cronyism, let's
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  actually stand for the working men and women
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  of this country, Washington doesn't like it.
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  And, Donald, if you want to be liked in Washington,
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  that's not a good attribute for a president.
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  Here's a man, Robin Hood. This is Robin Hood
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  over here. He talks about corruption on his financial
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  disclosure form. He didn't even put that he's
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  borrowed money from Citibank and from Goldman
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  Sachs, which is a total violation. He didn't
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  talk about the fact that he pays almost no interest.
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  He just left it off, and now he's going to protect
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  the people from the big, bad banks. We're going
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  to move on to Governor Kasich. Governor Kasich,
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  you can respond, but let me get Governor Kasich
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  in. He's been waiting patiently. Governor Kasich.
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  The idea, you've said this and I want to quote
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  you now, the idea that we're going to deport
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  all these people is ludicrous and everybody knows
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  it. Those are your words. Should people be allowed
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  to break the law just because it's not feasible
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  to stop them? Look, we have a great president
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  here, George Bush, 41st president of the United
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  States. He worked with Ronald Reagan to pass
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  an effort to try to solve this problem. a path
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  to legalization. You see, that was a time when
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  things worked. It was a time when President Reagan
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  and George Bush decided that we needed to make
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  the country work. Look, I think there is an answer
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  here. The answer is you complete the border.
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  You let people know that once it's done, you
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  don't have a right to come in. If you come in,
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  we don't want any excuse. You're going to go
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  back. But I favor a guest worker program. I think
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  it's practical. And I think for the 11 or 11
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  and a half million Americans or the illegals
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  that are here, if they have not committed a crime
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  since they've been here, I'd make them pay a
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  fine, some back taxes, maybe some community service.
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  And at the end, I'd give them a path to legalization,
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  but not a path to citizenship. I don't think
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  we're going to tear families apart. I don't think
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  we're going to ride around in people's neighborhoods
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  and grab people out of their homes. I don't think,
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  first of all, I don't think it's practical, and
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  I don't think it reflects America. You know what
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  happened? The problem with President Reagan is
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  we didn't get in there and actually finish the
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  border. And I think it was probably business
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  interests that affected it. But at the end of
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  the day, let's be practical. Let's start solving
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  problems in this country instead of kicking them
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  upstairs. And with President Reagan and George
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  Bush, it was a bipartisan coalition to address
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  the issue. And I think we can and should do it
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  again. And I will have a plan in the first hundred
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  days to get it done and get this issue behind
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  us. Thank you, Governor. Dr. Carson, you've been
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  critical of mass deportation. You said back in
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  November you don't think Mr. Trump's plan necessarily
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  represents the Republican Party. Given how well
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  Mr. Trump has been doing with the Republican
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  primary voters, do you still believe that? I
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  believe in liberty and justice for all. I think
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  everything that we do should be fair. And I've
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  already described, you know, how we can secure
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  the border. We need to secure all the borders
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  because it's not just people coming in from South
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  America and Mexico, but there are terrorists
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  who want to destroy us who are getting across
• 19:15
  our borders fairly easily, and we have to stop
• 19:17
  that. But in terms of the people who are here
• 19:20
  already after we stopped the illegal immigration,
• 19:23
  we need to be reasonable. And I would give them
• 19:28
  a six -month period in which to get registered
• 19:30
  as a guest worker, assuming that they have an
• 19:33
  acceptable record. They have to pay a back tax
• 19:36
  penalty. They have to pay taxes going forward.
• 19:38
  But they don't have to live underground anymore.
• 19:40
  And I think they do not become American citizens.
• 19:45
  They do not vote. If they want to become an American
• 19:47
  citizen, they go through exactly the same process
• 19:49
  that anybody else goes through. I think that's
• 19:52
  the kind of situation that is actually fair to
• 19:54
  people. And we have other ways of utilizing our
• 19:58
  facilities and our talents as foreign aid, doing
• 20:01
  things in South America and Central America and
• 20:04
  Mexico that improve the economy there so that
• 20:07
  they don't feel the need to come over here. That
• 20:10
  would cost us a lot less than borrowing money
• 20:12
  from China, paying interest on it. Thank you,
• 20:15
  Dr. Carson. Mr. Trump, your campaign, as you
• 20:21
  well remember, began with the idea of building
• 20:23
  a wall along the southern border about 315 miles
• 20:28
  southwest of where we are right now. You've said
• 20:31
  the Mexican government will pay for it. Correct.
• 20:33
  The spokesman for the current president of Mexico
• 20:35
  says that will never happen. The last two presidents
• 20:39
  of Mexico say that will never happen. In fact...
• 20:43
  The former president of Mexico, Vicente Fox,
• 20:46
  he said today, and I'm quoting him, he said,
• 20:49
  I'm not going to pay for that, quote, effing
• 20:53
  wall. So if you don't get an actual check from
• 20:58
  the Mexican government for $8 or $10 or $12 billion,
• 21:01
  whatever it will cost, how are you going to make
• 21:04
  them pay for the wall? I will, and the wall just
• 21:08
  got 10 feet taller. Believe me. It's got 10 feet
• 21:12
  taller. I saw him make the statement. I saw him
• 21:18
  use the word that he used. I can only tell you,
• 21:20
  if I would have used even half of that word,
• 21:23
  it would have been national scandal. This guy
• 21:26
  used a filthy, disgusting word on television,
• 21:29
  and he should be ashamed of himself, and he should
• 21:32
  apologize, okay? Number one. Number two, we have
• 21:35
  a trade deficit with Mexico of $58 billion a
• 21:39
  year. And that doesn't include all the drugs
• 21:42
  that are pouring across and destroying our country.
• 21:44
  We're going to make them pay for that wall. Now,
• 21:47
  the wall is $10 billion to $12 billion if I do
• 21:50
  it. If these guys do it, it'll end up costing
• 21:52
  $200 billion. But the wall is $10 billion to
• 21:57
  $12 billion. You need 1 ,000 miles. The Great
• 22:02
  Wall of China, built 2 ,000 years ago, 2 ,000
• 22:05
  is 13 ,000 miles. We need 1 ,000 because we have
• 22:09
  a lot of natural barriers. We can do it for 10
• 22:11
  to 12, and it's a real wall. This is a wall that's
• 22:14
  a heck of a lot higher than the ceiling you're
• 22:16
  looking at. This is a wall that's going to work.
• 22:18
  Mexico will pay for it because they are not doing
• 22:21
  us any favors. They could stop all of this illegal
• 22:24
  trade if they wanted to immediately. Mexico will
• 22:27
  pay for the wall. It's a small portion of the
• 22:30
  kind of money that we lose and the deficits that
• 22:32
  we have with Mexico. If the Mexicans don't pay
• 22:38
  for the wall, will you start a trade war with
• 22:41
  Mexico? Well, you know, I don't mind trade wars.
• 22:43
  Well, we're losing $58 billion a year. You want
• 22:45
  to know the truth. We're losing so much. We're
• 22:49
  losing so much with Mexico and China. With China,
• 22:52
  we're losing $500 billion a year. And then people
• 22:55
  say, oh, don't we want to trade? I don't mind
• 22:57
  trading, but I don't want to lose $500 billion.
• 23:00
  I don't want to lose. 58 billion. Mexico just
• 23:04
  took Carrier Corporation, maker of air conditioners.
• 23:07
  They just took Ford. They're building a $2 .5
• 23:09
  billion plan. They just took Nabisco out of Chicago.
• 23:14
  And I always say I'm not having Oreos anymore,
• 23:15
  which is true, by the way. But they just took
• 23:17
  a big plant from Nabisco into Mexico. They're
• 23:21
  taking our businesses. I don't mind. Senator
• 23:23
  Rubio. Yeah, a couple points. If he builds the
• 23:27
  wall the way he built Trump Towers, he'll be
• 23:29
  using illegal immigrant labor to do it. So cute.
• 23:35
  Such a cute soundbite. But it's not a soundbite.
• 23:38
  It's a fact. Again, go online and Google it.
• 23:40
  Donald Trump, Polish workers. You'll see it.
• 23:42
  The second thing about the trade war, I don't
• 23:44
  understand because your ties and the clothes
• 23:46
  you make is made in Mexico and in China. So you're
• 23:48
  going to be starting a trade war against your
• 23:49
  own ties and your own suits. That's right. You
• 23:52
  know why? Because they devalue their currencies.
• 23:54
  They devalue their currencies. Well, then make
• 23:56
  them in America. Well, you don't know anything
• 23:58
  about business. You lose on everything you do.
• 23:59
  Well, make them in America. Let me just tell
• 24:01
  you. They devalue their currencies. China, Mexico,
• 24:04
  everybody. Japan, with the cars. They devalue
• 24:07
  their currencies to such an extent that our businesses
• 24:10
  cannot compete with them. Our workers lose their
• 24:13
  jobs. And so you make them in China and in Russia.
• 24:14
  But you wouldn't know anything about it because
• 24:15
  you're a lousy business man. Well, I don't know
• 24:16
  anything about bankrupting four companies. You
• 24:18
  bankrupted four companies. regarding the university.
• 24:23
  That was a fake university. A fake university.
• 24:26
  There are people who borrowed $36 ,000 to go
• 24:30
  to Trump University and they're suing him now.
• 24:32
  $36 ,000 to go to a university. That's a fake
• 24:35
  school. And you know what they got? They got
• 24:37
  to take a picture with a cardboard cutout of
• 24:39
  Donald Trump. That's what they got for the $36
• 24:41
  ,000. And they actually did a very good job.
• 24:44
  But I've won most of the lawsuit. Senator, I
• 24:47
  want to bring in my colleague Maria Celeste.
• 24:50
  Am I allowed to respond to this? You've been
• 24:53
  responded. No, I haven't. I really haven't. Here's
• 24:58
  the guy. Here's the guy that buys a house for
• 25:02
  $179 ,000. He sells it to a lobbyist who's probably
• 25:05
  here for $380 ,000 and then legislation is passed.
• 25:09
  You tell me about this guy. This is what we're
• 25:12
  going to have as president. Here's the guy that
• 25:13
  inherited $200 million. If he hadn't inherited
• 25:15
  $200 million, you know where Donald Trump would
• 25:17
  be right now? No, no, no. Selling watches in
• 25:19
  Manhattan. I thought I was wrong. I was wrong.
• 25:22
  I took... That is so wrong. We'll work on that.
• 25:26
  I took $1 million and I turned it into $10 billion.
• 25:30
  I borrowed $1 million. I borrowed $1 million.
• 25:36
  I turned it into $10 billion, more than $10 billion.
• 25:39
  Thank you. I want to bring in Maria Celeste of
• 25:40
  Telemundo. Maria. Senator Rubio, last week you
• 25:43
  said that on your first day in office, you will
• 25:46
  get rid of President Obama's executive action
• 25:48
  known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals,
• 25:52
  DACA for short. It is a program that has protected...
• 25:55
  hundreds of thousands of young people that came
• 25:58
  here when they were children brought to the U
• 26:00
  .S. by undocumented immigrants. This is the only
• 26:04
  home they know. And that is a dramatic change
• 26:06
  from last April when you said in Spanish, and
• 26:09
  I'm going to quote you, DACA va a tener que terminar
• 26:12
  en algún momento, no sería justo cancelarlo inmediatamente,
• 26:17
  which translates to DACA is going to have to
• 26:20
  end at some point. But it wouldn't be fair to
• 26:23
  cancel it immediately. So, Senator Rubio, what
• 26:27
  changed? It didn't change. Why is it now fair
• 26:31
  to cancel it on day one? No, it's the same policy.
• 26:33
  It will have to end at some moment. And as I
• 26:35
  said, we will eliminate that executive order.
• 26:38
  The people that are on it now will not be allowed
• 26:40
  to renew it. And new applicants will not be allowed
• 26:42
  to apply to it. And it's not because we're not
• 26:44
  compassionate to the plight of someone who came
• 26:46
  here when they were two years old. I understand.
• 26:48
  I know people that are personally impacted by
• 26:50
  this. The problem with the executive order is
• 26:52
  it is unconstitutional. The president doesn't
• 26:55
  have the power to do that. And he himself admitted
• 26:58
  that. Senator, Senator. I'm sorry, but let me
• 27:01
  finish. You went from saying that it was deeply
• 27:03
  disruptive to deport them immediately to deport
• 27:06
  them on day one. No, but this is not about deportation.
• 27:08
  Everybody always goes immediately to the issue
• 27:09
  of deportation. This is about DACA. DACA is an
• 27:12
  executive order that is unconstitutional. I will
• 27:14
  cancel it on my first day in office. which means
• 27:17
  people who currently hold those permits will
• 27:19
  not be allowed to renew them when they expire,
• 27:21
  and new people will not be allowed to apply for
• 27:23
  them. Now, I am sympathetic to the plight of
• 27:25
  someone who came here when they were two or three
• 27:27
  years old through no fault of their own, but
• 27:28
  you can't solve it doing something that is unconstitutional.
• 27:31
  No matter how sympathetic we may be to a cause,
• 27:34
  we cannot violate the Constitution of the United
• 27:37
  States the way this president now does on a regular
• 27:39
  basis. You accused Senator Cruz in a previous
• 27:50
  debate of lying. when he said that you said one
• 27:54
  thing in Spanish and another one in English.
• 27:56
  So in what sense did he lie? Because it is not
• 28:00
  true that I'm not going to get rid of DACA. I
• 28:02
  am going to get rid of DACA. In the Spanish interview,
• 28:04
  you just read out the transcript in Spanish.
• 28:05
  I said it will have to end. At some point, that
• 28:07
  point will be when I eliminate the executive
• 28:10
  order and the people who have those permits,
• 28:12
  when they expire, will not be allowed to renew
• 28:14
  it. And new people will not be able to apply.
• 28:16
  In fact, I don't even think we should be taking
• 28:18
  new enrollees in the program now. That is how
• 28:21
  the program ends and how you wind it down, is
• 28:23
  you allow the people who are on it. When the
• 28:25
  program expires, they cannot renew it, and it
• 28:27
  goes away. But I will cancel the executive order
• 28:29
  as soon as I step foot into the Oval Office.
• 28:32
  I have to say, he lied this time. He lied, 100%.
• 28:36
  A hundred percent. You lied about the Polish
• 28:38
  workers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You lied to
• 28:40
  the students at Trump University. That's Senator
• 28:42
  Khrushchev. He lied 38 years ago. All right,
• 28:44
  I guess there's a statute of limitation on lies.
• 28:53
  Well, Maria, I would note that you made the exact
• 28:55
  same point here that I made at the last debate,
• 28:57
  and you're right that Senator Rubio called me
• 28:59
  a liar for saying that. You know, we've all seen
• 29:03
  at home. When Washington politicians say about
• 29:06
  an illegal or unconstitutional program, well,
• 29:09
  it'll have to end someday, not immediately, but
• 29:11
  someday in the future. That inevitably is when
• 29:14
  a politician doesn't plan to end it at all. You
• 29:16
  know, I'm reminded of that that is the same position.
• 29:20
  that Marco took in Iowa on ethanol subsidies.
• 29:23
  When I campaigned in Iowa and took on, the lobbyists
• 29:26
  took on the corporate welfare and said we should
• 29:28
  have no ethanol subsidies. Marco's position was
• 29:30
  the same as it is towards illegal amnesty. Well,
• 29:33
  someday it should end, just not now. And frankly,
• 29:37
  I think we need a president who knows what he
• 29:38
  believes and is willing to say it on day one,
• 29:41
  not at the end of his term when it's somebody
• 29:43
  else's problem. That's not an accurate assessment
• 29:45
  of what I said about ethanol. What I said is
• 29:47
  ethanol will phase out. It is phasing out now.
• 29:49
  By 2022, that program expires. by virtue of the
• 29:53
  existing law, and at that point it will go away.
• 29:54
  I don't agree with the mandate and the program
• 29:56
  that's in place, but I think it's unfair that
• 29:59
  these people have gone out and invested all this
• 30:00
  money into this program, and we're just going
• 30:02
  to yank it away from them. And again, you read
• 30:04
  the statement in Spanish. I said very clearly
• 30:06
  on Spanish television, DACA will have to end
• 30:08
  at some point, and that point is, at that time
• 30:10
  I was not a candidate for president. I said it
• 30:12
  will end on my first day in office as president,
• 30:15
  and the people who have it now will not be able
• 30:17
  to renew it, and new applicants will not be able
• 30:19
  to apply. That is the end of DACA. Senator Cruz,
• 30:36
  you and Senator Rubio are the two candidates
• 30:39
  of Hispanic descent on this stage. As a matter
• 30:43
  of fact, you are the first Hispanic candidate
• 30:46
  ever to win a caucus or primary. And yet there
• 30:49
  is the... And yet... There is a perception in
• 30:55
  the Latino community that instead of trying to
• 30:57
  prove to Latinos who has the best plan, the best
• 31:00
  platform to help them, that you two are spending
• 31:03
  the time arguing with each other, trying to figure
• 31:05
  out which one is tougher on immigration in order
• 31:08
  to appeal to the majority of Republicans. So
• 31:10
  my question to you is, are you missing a huge
• 31:13
  opportunity to expand the Republican base? Well,
• 31:17
  Maria, listen, you are right. It is extraordinary
• 31:19
  that out of five people standing on this stage,
• 31:22
  that two of us are the children of Cuban immigrants.
• 31:24
  It really is an embodiment of the incredible
• 31:26
  opportunity and promise this nation provides.
• 31:30
  You know, I would note that a lot of folks in
• 31:32
  the media have a definition of Hispanics, that
• 31:35
  you can only be Hispanic if you're liberal. That
• 31:38
  makes sense in the media. But I got to tell you,
• 31:40
  one of the things I was most proud of when I
• 31:42
  ran for Senate here in Texas. I earned 40 % of
• 31:46
  the Hispanic vote here in Texas. At the same
• 31:48
  time, Mitt Romney was getting clobbered with
• 31:50
  27 % of the Hispanic vote nationwide. And the
• 31:53
  reason is, as you know, you look at the values
• 31:55
  in the Hispanic community. The values in our
• 31:58
  community are faith, family, patriotism. You
• 32:01
  know, we've got the highest rate of military
• 32:03
  enlistment among Hispanics of any demographic
• 32:05
  in this country. And when I campaigned, and I
• 32:08
  campaigned the same here in Houston or Dallas
• 32:11
  as I did down in the Rio Grande Valley, defending
• 32:13
  conservative principles, defending Judeo -Christian
• 32:16
  principles, telling my father's story, telling
• 32:19
  my dad's story of coming to America with $100
• 32:21
  in his underwear, not speaking English, washing
• 32:23
  dishes, having hopes and dreams for the American
• 32:26
  dream. And the truth is the Obama -Clinton economy
• 32:29
  has done enormous damage to the Hispanic community.
• 32:32
  It is not working in the Hispanic community.
• 32:34
  And I am fighting so that everyone who is struggling
• 32:37
  in the Hispanic community and beyond will have
• 32:40
  a fair and even shape at the American dream.
• 32:43
  Governor Kasich. Governor Kasich. Maria, I was
• 32:46
  mentioned in that. I was mentioned in that statement.
• 32:48
  Governor Kasich. I was mentioned. Just because
• 32:51
  it's Hispanic. And I'll be brief. A couple points.
• 32:53
  Number one, I do think it's amazing that on the
• 32:55
  stage tonight, there are two descendants of immigrants
• 32:58
  of Cuban origin and an African -American. We
• 33:00
  are the party of diversity, not the Democratic
• 33:02
  Party. And the second point I would make is that...
• 33:08
  We have to move past this idea that somehow the
• 33:11
  Hispanic community only cares about immigration.
• 33:12
  Yes, it's an important issue because we know
• 33:14
  and love people that have been impacted by it.
• 33:16
  But I'm going to tell you the most powerful sentiment
• 33:18
  in the Hispanic community, as it is in every
• 33:20
  immigrant community, is the burning desire to
• 33:23
  leave your children better off than yourself.
• 33:24
  And you can only do that through free enterprise.
• 33:26
  That's what we stand for, not socialism like
• 33:29
  Bernie Sanders and increasingly Hillary Clinton.
• 33:35
  Governor Casey, after the last presidential election,
• 33:38
  the Republican Party realized that in order to
• 33:42
  win the presidency, it needed the support of
• 33:44
  Latinos. Guidelines as to how to accomplish that
• 33:47
  were spelled out in an autopsy report that concluded,
• 33:51
  and I'm going to quote it, if Hispanic Americans
• 33:54
  hear that the GOP doesn't want them in the United
• 33:57
  States, they won't pay attention to our next
• 34:00
  sentence. So, do you think that your fellow...
• 34:04
  Republican candidates get it? Well, I'm not going
• 34:08
  to talk about that. I mean, I got to tell you,
• 34:10
  I was with this little 12 -year -old girl, was
• 34:12
  at a town hall meeting, and she said, you know,
• 34:14
  I don't like all this yelling and screaming at
• 34:16
  the debates. My mother's thinking I might not
• 34:18
  be able to watch the thing anymore. I think we
• 34:21
  ought to move beyond that about what they think.
• 34:23
  I'm going to tell you what I think. My position
• 34:26
  on this whole immigration issue has been clear
• 34:28
  from the beginning. I haven't changed anything
• 34:30
  with it. And look, my view is we need economic
• 34:34
  growth. Everything starts with economic growth.
• 34:37
  And how do you get it? Common sense regulations,
• 34:40
  lower taxes for both business and individuals,
• 34:43
  and of course a fiscal plan that balances a budget.
• 34:46
  That gives you economic growth. I did it when
• 34:49
  I was in Washington as the Budget Committee Chairman,
• 34:51
  negotiating actually with Democrats. They gave
• 34:53
  us surpluses, economic growth, and the same thing
• 34:56
  in Ohio. But here's the thing that I believe.
• 34:59
  Economic growth is not an end unto itself. We
• 35:02
  have to make sure that everybody has a sense
• 35:04
  that they can rise. Of course, our friends in
• 35:07
  the Hispanic community, our friends in the African
• 35:09
  -American community, the promise of America is
• 35:13
  that our system, when we follow the right formula,
• 35:16
  is going to give opportunity for everyone. It's
• 35:18
  what Jack Kemp used to say, a rising tide lifts
• 35:21
  all boats, not just some boats, but all boats.
• 35:24
  And you know what? With me in the Hispanic community,
• 35:27
  I think they like me, and I appreciate that because
• 35:30
  I want them to have the same opportunity that
• 35:32
  I and my children and my wife and the people
• 35:35
  we love have had in this country. It's time to
• 35:38
  solve problems. Dr. Carson, concerning this recommendation
• 35:42
  of the report, are you as a candidate getting
• 35:45
  it? I didn't hear the first part of the question.
• 35:47
  The first part of the question is there was a
• 35:49
  report that recommended that in order to approach
• 35:53
  Hispanics and bring them to vote for the Republican
• 35:55
  Party, certain things needed to happen, and one
• 35:58
  of them was that they shouldn't feel that they
• 36:01
  were going to get kicked out of the United States,
• 36:02
  otherwise they wouldn't pay attention to one
• 36:04
  more sentence from candidates. Okay, well, first
• 36:08
  of all, let me just mention that last year at
• 36:11
  NALIO, the National Association for Latino Elected
• 36:15
  Officials, I was the only one of 17 Republican
• 36:18
  candidates to go there. And the reason that I
• 36:21
  don't fear going to an organization like that
• 36:24
  is because the message that I give is the same
• 36:27
  message to every group. You know, this is America,
• 36:30
  and we need to have policies that give liberty
• 36:35
  and justice to all people. And that's the way
• 36:38
  that I have fashioned virtually every policy,
• 36:41
  looking at that. And I think that's the way the
• 36:43
  Republican Party generally thinks. We don't pick
• 36:46
  and choose winners and losers. We are compassionate.
• 36:50
  But real compassion is providing people with
• 36:53
  a ladder of opportunity to climb up from a state
• 36:56
  of dependence and become part of the fabric of
• 36:59
  America. When we begin to emphasize that, I think
• 37:02
  we will attract everybody. Mr. Trump, it is common
• 37:10
  knowledge that the Hispanic vote is very important
• 37:13
  in this race. You keep saying that Hispanics
• 37:16
  love you. True. And yes, you won the Hispanic
• 37:21
  vote in Nevada. True. But... A brand new Telemundo
• 37:26
  poll says that three out of four Hispanics that
• 37:30
  vote nationwide have a negative opinion of you.
• 37:33
  They don't like you. Wouldn't that make you an
• 37:36
  unelectable candidate in a general election?
• 37:40
  First of all, I don't believe anything Telemundo
• 37:43
  says. You used to say that. Number one. Number
• 37:47
  two. I currently employ thousands of Hispanics.
• 37:52
  And over the years, I've employed tens of thousands
• 37:54
  of Hispanics. They're incredible people. They
• 37:57
  know, and the reason I won in Nevada, not only
• 37:59
  won the big one, but I also won subs. Like, as
• 38:02
  an example, I won with women. I won with every
• 38:05
  single category. I won with men. I won with high
• 38:08
  income, low income. I won with Hispanics. And
• 38:11
  I got 46%. Nobody else was close. Because they
• 38:14
  know I'm going to bring jobs back from China,
• 38:16
  from Japan. from so many other places. They get
• 38:19
  it. They're incredible people. They're incredible
• 38:21
  workers. They get it. And I've won many of the
• 38:24
  polls with Hispanics. I didn't maybe win the
• 38:26
  Telemundo poll. But one thing I'm also going
• 38:28
  to do, I'm going to be bringing a lot of people
• 38:30
  in who are Democrats, who are independents. And
• 38:34
  you're seeing that with the polls. Because if
• 38:36
  you look at any of the elections, every single
• 38:39
  election... It's been record setting. And the
• 38:42
  good news is for the Republican Party, the Democrats
• 38:44
  are getting very poor numbers in terms of bringing
• 38:47
  them in. We're getting record setting numbers.
• 38:49
  I think I have something to do with that. We're
• 38:51
  getting record setting numbers. And I won. Everyone,
• 38:55
  the three of them that I won, I won with record
• 38:58
  setting numbers. New people are coming into the
• 39:00
  Republican Party. We are building a new Republican
• 39:03
  Party. A lot of new people are coming in. For
• 39:10
  the record. You have said publicly that you love
• 39:14
  Telemundo in the past. But it is not just a Telemundo
• 39:18
  poll. I love them. I love them. All right. Well,
• 39:23
  it's not the only poll. They're fine. You know
• 39:25
  what? They're fine. Let me finish. Just last
• 39:27
  night, the Washington Post showed that 80 percent
• 39:30
  of Hispanic voters in their polls have a negative
• 39:33
  view of you. And concerning the Nevada victory.
• 39:37
  Allow me to explain that the poll in Nevada was
• 39:40
  based on a tiny sample, statistically insignificant,
• 39:43
  of only like 100, let me finish, please, of 100
• 39:46
  Hispanic Republicans on the state of Nevada.
• 39:49
  Why did they take the poll? Why did they waste
• 39:51
  their time? I am making reference to Hispanics
• 39:54
  voters nationwide in a general election. I'm
• 39:57
  just telling you, I'm doing very well with Hispanics.
• 40:00
  And by the way, I settled my suit, as you know,
• 40:03
  with Univision. It was settled. We're good friends
• 40:06
  now. It was all settled up. Very happy, very
• 40:10
  happy. Very good people. But I'm just telling
• 40:13
  you, I'm just telling you that I will do really
• 40:16
  well with Hispanics. I will do better than anybody
• 40:19
  on the stage. I have respect for the people on
• 40:21
  the stage, but I will do very well with Hispanics.
• 40:24
  But I'm telling you also, I'm bringing people,
• 40:26
  Democrats over, and I'm bringing the independents
• 40:29
  over, and we're building a much bigger, much
• 40:31
  stronger Republican Party. Mr. Trump, thank you.
• 40:37
  I want to turn our attention now to another critically
• 40:39
  important issue for the American people, the
• 40:41
  United States Supreme Court, where filling the
• 40:44
  vacancy left by the late Justice Antonin Scalia
• 40:46
  has become a major campaign issue. I want to
• 40:49
  bring in Salem Radio Network host Hugh Hewitt.
• 40:52
  Hugh. Thank you, Wolf. To me, it's the most important
• 40:54
  issue. I'll start with you, Senator Cruz. Do
• 40:57
  you trust Mr. Trump to nominate conservative
• 40:59
  justices? Well, Hugh, I agree with you that it...
• 41:03
  Justice Scalia's passing underscores the enormous
• 41:06
  gravity of this election. Justice Scalia was
• 41:09
  someone I knew personally for 20 years, was privileged
• 41:12
  to be at his funeral this weekend, and with his
• 41:14
  passing, the court is now hanging in the balance.
• 41:17
  We are one liberal justice away from a five -justice
• 41:21
  radical leftist majority that would undermine
• 41:24
  our religious liberty, that would undermine the
• 41:27
  right to life. And that would fundamentally erase
• 41:30
  the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms
• 41:33
  from the Constitution. Now, I think the voters
• 41:36
  of Texas, the voters across Super Tuesday are
• 41:38
  assessing everyone standing on this stage. In
• 41:42
  the past, Republican presidents always promised
• 41:44
  to nominate strict constitutionalists. So I'm
• 41:47
  certain if you took a survey, everyone would
• 41:49
  say they would do that. But the reality is Democrats
• 41:52
  bat about 1 ,000. Just about everyone they put
• 41:54
  on the court votes exactly as they want. Republicans
• 41:57
  have batted worse than 500. More than half of
• 41:59
  the people we put on the court have been a disaster.
• 42:02
  I've spent my whole life fighting to defend the
• 42:05
  Bill of Rights and the Constitution. I can tell
• 42:06
  you for voters that care about life or marriage
• 42:09
  or religious liberty of the Second Amendment,
• 42:11
  They're asking the question, who do you know,
• 42:13
  beyond a shadow of a doubt, who do you know will
• 42:16
  nominate principled constitutionalists to the
• 42:19
  court? I give you my word, every justice I nominate
• 42:22
  will vigorously defend the Bill of Rights for
• 42:24
  my children and for yours. Mr. Trump, Senator
• 42:33
  Cruz mentioned the issue that keeps me up at
• 42:35
  night, which is religious liberty. Churches.
• 42:38
  Catholic and Christian colleges, Catholic adoption
• 42:41
  agencies, all sorts of religious institutions
• 42:44
  fear that Hobby Lobby, if it's repealed, it was
• 42:48
  a 5 -4 decision, they're going to have to bend
• 42:50
  their knee and provide morning -after pills.
• 42:52
  They fear that if Bob Jones is expanded, they
• 42:55
  will lose their tax exemption. Will you commit
• 42:58
  to voters tonight that religious liberty will
• 43:01
  be an absolute litmus test for anyone you appoint,
• 43:04
  not just for the Supreme Court? but to all courts.
• 43:07
  Yes, I would, and I've been there, and I've been
• 43:09
  there very strongly. I do have to say something,
• 43:11
  and this is interesting, and it's not anybody's
• 43:14
  fault. It's not Ted's fault. Justice Roberts
• 43:17
  was strongly recommended and pushed by Ted. Justice
• 43:20
  Roberts gave us Obamacare. Might as well be called
• 43:23
  Robertscare. Two times of the Supreme Court,
• 43:26
  Justice Roberts approved something that he should
• 43:29
  have never raised his hand to approve, and we
• 43:32
  ended up with Obamacare. That is a rough thing.
• 43:35
  And I know Ted feels badly about it. And I think
• 43:38
  he probably still respects the judge. But that
• 43:40
  judge has been a disaster in terms of everything
• 43:43
  we stand for, because there is no way, no way
• 43:47
  that he should have approved Obamacare. Now,
• 43:49
  with that being said, these are the things that
• 43:52
  happen. But Ted very, very strongly pushed Judge
• 43:56
  Roberts and Justice Roberts. gave us something
• 43:59
  that we don't want. Ted Cruz, Senator, the Chief
• 44:01
  Justice got Hobby Lobby right, but what do you
• 44:03
  make of Mr. Cruz's criticism? Well, listen, Donald
• 44:06
  knows that it was George W. Bush who appointed
• 44:08
  John Roberts. Yes, it's true, I supported the
• 44:10
  Republican nominee once he was made, but I would
• 44:13
  not have nominated John Roberts. I would have
• 44:14
  nominated my former boss, Mike Luttig, who was
• 44:17
  the strongest proven conservative on the Court
• 44:19
  of Appeals. And I'll tell you, Hugh, you know,
• 44:22
  it's interesting now that Donald promises that
• 44:24
  he will appoint justices who will defend religious
• 44:26
  liberty. But this is a man who for 40 years has
• 44:30
  given money to Jimmy Carter, to Joe Biden, to
• 44:32
  Hillary Clinton, to Chuck Schumer, to Harry Reid.
• 44:35
  Nobody who supports far -left liberal Democrats
• 44:38
  who are fighting for judicial activists can possibly
• 44:41
  care about having principled constitutionalists
• 44:44
  on the court. And what Donald has told us is
• 44:47
  he will go to Washington and cut a deal. So that
• 44:49
  means on Supreme Court, he's going to look to
• 44:52
  cut a deal rather than fight. for someone who
• 44:54
  won't cut a deal on the Constitution but will
• 44:56
  defend it faithfully. Can I trust you on religious
• 45:01
  liberty? Let me just say this. Look, I watched
• 45:05
  Ted, and I respected it, but it gets nowhere,
• 45:07
  stand on the Senate floor for a day or two days
• 45:10
  and talk and talk and talk. I watched the other
• 45:13
  senators laughing and smiling, and when Ted was
• 45:15
  totally exhausted, he left the Senate floor and
• 45:17
  they went back to work, okay? We have to have
• 45:20
  somebody that's going to make deals. It's wonderful
• 45:22
  to stand up for two days and do that. Now, Ted's
• 45:24
  been very critical. I have a sister who's a brilliant
• 45:26
  judge. He's been criticizing my sister for signing
• 45:33
  a certain bill. You know who else signed that
• 45:35
  bill? Justice Samuel Alito, a very conservative
• 45:38
  member of the Supreme Court, with my sister,
• 45:40
  signed that bill. So I think that maybe we should
• 45:44
  get a little bit of an apology from Ted. What
• 45:46
  do you think? Senator. Let me tell you right
• 45:50
  now, Donald, I will not apologize for a minute
• 45:52
  for defending the Constitution. I will not apologize
• 45:54
  for defending the Bill of Rights. And I find
• 45:58
  it amazing that your answer to Hugh and to the
• 46:00
  American people is on religious liberty. You
• 46:02
  can't have one of these crazy zealots that actually
• 46:05
  believes in it. You've got to be willing to cut
• 46:07
  a deal. And, you know, there is a reason why
• 46:09
  when Harry Reid was asked of all the people on
• 46:12
  this stage, who does he want the most, who does
• 46:14
  he like the most, Harry Reid said Donald Trump.
• 46:17
  Why? Because Donald has supported him in the
• 46:19
  past, and he knows he can cut a deal with him.
• 46:23
  You know what, Donald? I don't want a Supreme
• 46:24
  Court justice that you cut a deal with Harry
• 46:27
  Reid to undermine religious liberty, because
• 46:29
  that same justice will also erase the Second
• 46:32
  Amendment from the Bill of Rights. When you say
• 46:33
  crazy zealot, are you talking about you? Crazy
• 46:36
  zealot. Give me a break. Senator Rubio, you've
• 46:39
  heard this exchange on religious liberty. You
• 46:41
  have said that religious liberty will trump even
• 46:43
  the ability of people to stay away from same
• 46:45
  -sex marriages, flowers, not provide baked goods,
• 46:49
  etc. Are you satisfied with this exchange on
• 46:51
  religious liberty? Well, I think you ask a very
• 46:53
  important question because the issue here about
• 46:56
  the next president of the United States has to
• 46:57
  fill this vacancy. Justice Scalia... In the history
• 47:01
  of the Republic, there has never been anyone
• 47:02
  better than him at standing for the principle
• 47:05
  that the Constitution is not a living and breathing
• 47:07
  document. It is supposed to be applied as originally
• 47:10
  meant. And the next president of the United States
• 47:12
  has to be someone that you can trust and believe
• 47:14
  in to appoint someone just as good as Scalia,
• 47:16
  plus there may be at least two other vacancies.
• 47:19
  So you ask Mr. Trump to respond and say that
• 47:21
  he would, and he says that he would, but the
• 47:23
  bottom line is, if you look at his record over
• 47:24
  the last 25 or 30 years, on issue after issue,
• 47:27
  he has not been on our side. Now, if he's changed,
• 47:30
  we're always looking for converts into the conservative
• 47:31
  movement. But the bottom line is that you don't
• 47:34
  have a record there to look at and say, I feel
• 47:36
  at peace that when Donald Trump is president
• 47:38
  of the United States, he's going to be firmly
• 47:40
  on our side on these issues. In fact, very recently,
• 47:43
  he was still defending Planned Parenthood. He
• 47:45
  says he's not going to take sides in the Palestinians
• 47:47
  versus Israel. These are concerning things. And
• 47:49
  so, yes, I have a doubt about whether Donald
• 47:51
  Trump, if he becomes president, will replace
• 47:54
  Justice Scalia with someone just like Justice
• 47:56
  Scalia. Mr. Trump. Well, let me just say, first
• 47:59
  of all, I had great respect for Justice Scalia.
• 48:02
  I thought he was terrific. And if you talk about
• 48:04
  evolving, Ronald Reagan was a somewhat liberal
• 48:07
  Democrat. Ronald Reagan evolved into a somewhat
• 48:10
  strong conservative. More importantly, he was
• 48:12
  a great president, a great president. As far
• 48:15
  as Planned Parenthood is concerned, I'm pro -life.
• 48:17
  I'm totally against abortion having to do with
• 48:19
  Planned Parenthood. But millions and millions
• 48:22
  of women, cervical cancer, breast cancer are
• 48:25
  helped. by Planned Parenthood. So you can say
• 48:27
  whatever you want, but they have millions of
• 48:30
  women going through Planned Parenthood that are
• 48:32
  helped greatly. And I wouldn't fund it. I would
• 48:35
  defund it because of the abortion factor, which
• 48:37
  they say is 3%. I don't know what percentage
• 48:39
  it is. They say it's 3%, but I would defund it
• 48:42
  because I'm pro -life. But millions of women
• 48:45
  are helped by Planned Parenthood. Governor Kasich,
• 48:48
  back to religious liberty. You've been a little
• 48:52
  bit less emphatic. You've said... Same -sex couple
• 48:55
  approaches a cupcake maker, sell them a cupcake.
• 48:57
  Can we trust you as much on religious liberty
• 49:00
  as the rest of these people? Well, you know,
• 49:02
  of course. I mean, look, I was involved in just
• 49:05
  being a pioneer in a new church. Religious institutions
• 49:09
  should be able to practice the religion that
• 49:13
  they believe in, no question and no doubt about
• 49:15
  it. Now, in regard to same -sex marriage, I don't
• 49:20
  favor it. I've always favored traditional marriage.
• 49:23
  But look, the court has ruled, and I've moved
• 49:25
  on. And what I've said to you is that, look,
• 49:28
  where does it end? If you're in the business
• 49:31
  of selling things, if you're not going to sell
• 49:34
  to somebody you don't agree with, today I'm not
• 49:36
  going to sell to somebody who's gay, and tomorrow
• 49:40
  maybe I won't sell to somebody who's divorced.
• 49:42
  I mean, if you're in the business of commerce,
• 49:44
  conduct commerce. That's my view. And if you
• 49:46
  don't agree with their lifestyle, say a prayer
• 49:49
  for them when they leave and hope they change
• 49:51
  their behavior. But when it comes to the religious
• 49:53
  institutions, they are inviolate in my mind.
• 49:57
  And I would fight for those religious institutions.
• 49:59
  Look, I've appointed over 100 judges as governor.
• 50:02
  I even appointed a judge to the Ohio Supreme
• 50:05
  Court. And you know what they are? They're conservatives.
• 50:07
  Go check it out. They are conservatives. They
• 50:10
  don't make the law. They interpret the law. That's
• 50:12
  all they do. And they stick by the Constitution.
• 50:15
  So I will do that. But let's just not get so
• 50:18
  narrow here as to gotcha this or that. I think
• 50:21
  my position is clear. Let me wrap it up with
• 50:23
  you. Are their positions clear? Are the positions
• 50:29
  you've heard clear about the First Amendment
• 50:31
  and the first freedom? Well, first of all, let
• 50:34
  me just add my praise to Justice Scalia. I first
• 50:37
  met him when we got an honorary degree together
• 50:40
  a long time ago. Tremendous wit and intellect.
• 50:44
  As far as religious freedom is concerned, one
• 50:47
  of the basic tenets of this nation. And I believe
• 50:51
  that the Constitution protects all of our rights.
• 50:55
  And it gives people who believe in same -sex
• 50:59
  marriage the same rights as everybody else. But
• 51:03
  what we have to remember is even though everybody
• 51:05
  has the same rights, nobody gets extra rights.
• 51:08
  So nobody gets to redefine things for everybody
• 51:11
  else and then have them have to conform to it.
• 51:14
  That's unfair. And this is the responsibility
• 51:18
  of Congress to come back and correct what the
• 51:21
  Supreme Court has done. That's why we have divided
• 51:23
  government. And we're going to have to encourage
• 51:26
  them to act in an appropriate way or we will
• 51:28
  lose our religious freedom. And as president,
• 51:32
  I would go through and I would look at what a
• 51:34
  person's life has been. What have they done in
• 51:36
  the past? What kind of judgments have they made?
• 51:38
  What kind of associations do they have? That
• 51:41
  will tell you a lot more than an interview will
• 51:43
  tell you. The fruit salad of their life is what
• 51:45
  I would look at. Thank you, Dr. Carson. All of
• 51:50
  you want to repeal and replace Obamacare, so
• 51:53
  let's talk about your plans, specific plans to
• 51:56
  replace it. I want to bring in our chief political
• 51:58
  correspondent, Dana Bash. Senator Rubio, you
• 52:01
  said yesterday right here in Houston that Mr.
• 52:03
  Trump thinks part of Obamacare is pretty good.
• 52:07
  So he says he is going to repeal Obamacare. Are
• 52:10
  you saying that you're worried he won't? He said
• 52:13
  he likes the individual mandate portion of it,
• 52:15
  which I don't believe that should be part of
• 52:17
  it. That should not remain there. I think here's
• 52:18
  what we need to replace it with. We need to repeal
• 52:20
  Obamacare completely and replace it with a system
• 52:22
  that puts Americans in charge of their health
• 52:24
  care money again. If your employer wants to buy
• 52:27
  health insurance for you, they can continue to
• 52:28
  do so from any company in America they want to
• 52:30
  buy it from. Otherwise, your employers can provide
• 52:33
  you health care money, tax -free, not treated
• 52:35
  as income, and you can use that money only for
• 52:38
  health care, but you can use it to fund health
• 52:40
  care any way you want. fully fund a health savings
• 52:42
  account, the combination of a health savings
• 52:44
  account or a private plan from any company in
• 52:46
  any state in the country. And if you don't have
• 52:48
  that, then you will have a refundable tax credit
• 52:51
  that provides you health care money to buy your
• 52:53
  own health care coverage. And that, I think,
• 52:55
  is a much better approach than Obamacare, which,
• 52:57
  by the way, isn't just bad for health care. It's
• 52:59
  bad for our economy. It is a health care law
• 53:01
  that is basically forcing companies to lay people
• 53:04
  off, cut people's hours, move people to part
• 53:07
  -time. It is not just a bad health care law.
• 53:09
  It is a job -killing law. And I will repeal it
• 53:11
  as president, and we will replace it with something
• 53:13
  substantially better for all Americans. I agree
• 53:23
  with that 100%, except pre -existing condition.
• 53:26
  I would absolutely get rid of Obamacare. We're
• 53:29
  going to have something much better. But pre
• 53:31
  -existing conditions, when I'm referring to that,
• 53:33
  and I was referring to that very strongly on
• 53:35
  the show with Anderson Cooper, I want to keep
• 53:38
  pre -existing condition. I think we need it.
• 53:40
  I think it's a modern age, and I think we have
• 53:42
  to have it. Okay, so let's talk about pre -existing
• 53:45
  conditions. What the insurance companies say
• 53:48
  is that the only way that they can cover people
• 53:51
  is to have a mandate requiring everybody purchase
• 53:54
  health insurance. Are they wrong? I think they're
• 53:57
  wrong 100%. What we need, look, the insurance
• 53:59
  companies take care of the politicians. The insurance
• 54:03
  companies get what they want. We should have
• 54:05
  gotten rid of the lines around each state so
• 54:07
  we can have real competition. We thought that
• 54:09
  was gone. We thought those lines were going to
• 54:11
  be gone, and something happened at the last moment
• 54:14
  where Obamacare got approved, and all of that
• 54:16
  was thrown out the window. The reason is some
• 54:18
  of the people in the audience are insurance people
• 54:20
  and insurance lobbyists and special interests.
• 54:23
  They got, I'm not going to point to these gentlemen.
• 54:25
  Of course, they're part of the problem, other
• 54:27
  than Ben, in all fairness, and actually the governor,
• 54:30
  too. Let's just talk about these two, okay? Because
• 54:33
  I don't think the governor had too much to do
• 54:35
  with this. But we should have gotten rid of the
• 54:37
  borders. We should have gotten rid of the lines
• 54:39
  around the state so there's great competition.
• 54:41
  The insurance companies are making a fortune
• 54:43
  on every single thing they do. I'm self -funding
• 54:46
  my campaign. I'm the only one in either party
• 54:48
  self -funding my campaign. I'm going to do what's
• 54:51
  right. We have to get rid of the lines around
• 54:53
  the states so that there's serious, serious competition.
• 54:57
  And you're going to see, excuse me, then you're
• 54:59
  going to see pre -existing conditions and everything
• 55:01
  else be part of it, but the price will be down
• 55:04
  and the insurance companies can pay. Right now,
• 55:06
  they're making a fortune. But just to be specific
• 55:09
  here. What you're saying is getting rid of the
• 55:13
  barriers between states, that is going to solve
• 55:15
  the problem? That's going to solve a lot of the
• 55:16
  problem. And the insurance companies aren't going
• 55:18
  to say that. They want to keep it. They say whatever
• 55:20
  they have to say to keep it the way it is. I
• 55:23
  know the insurance companies. They're friends
• 55:24
  of mine. The top guys, they're friends of mine.
• 55:26
  I shouldn't tell you guys. You'll say it's terrible.
• 55:28
  I have a conflict of interest. They're friends
• 55:29
  of mine. There's some right in the audience.
• 55:31
  One of them was just waving to me. He was laughing
• 55:33
  and smiling. He's not laughing so much anymore.
• 55:35
  Hi. But you know what? The insurance companies,
• 55:39
  the insurance companies are making an absolute
• 55:42
  fortune. Yes, they will keep pre -existing conditions,
• 55:45
  and that would be a great thing. Get rid of Obamacare,
• 55:48
  we'll come up with new plans, but we should keep
• 55:50
  pre -existing conditions. And I was mentioned
• 55:52
  in his response, so if I may, about the insurance
• 55:54
  companies. You may not be aware of this, Donald,
• 55:56
  because you don't follow this stuff very closely,
• 55:57
  but here's what happened. When they passed Obamacare...
• 56:00
  They put a bailout fund in Obamacare. All these
• 56:03
  lobbies to keep talking about, they put a bailout
• 56:05
  fund in the law that would allow public money
• 56:07
  to be used, taxpayer money, to bail out companies
• 56:09
  when they lost money. And we led the effort and
• 56:12
  wiped out that bailout fund. The insurance companies
• 56:14
  are not in favor of me. They hate that. They're
• 56:16
  suing now to get that bailout money put back
• 56:18
  in. Here's what you didn't hear in that answer.
• 56:20
  And this is important, guys. This is an important
• 56:21
  thing. What is your plan? I understand the lines
• 56:24
  around the state, whatever that means. This is
• 56:26
  not a game where you draw maps around it. And
• 56:27
  you don't know what it means. What is your plan?
• 56:29
  What is your plan on health care? You don't have
• 56:31
  a plan. The biggest problem he doesn't know.
• 56:34
  The biggest problem he's got is he doesn't know.
• 56:37
  You know, I watched him melt down two weeks ago
• 56:39
  with Chris Christie. I got to tell you, the biggest
• 56:41
  problem he's got is he really doesn't know about
• 56:44
  the lines. The biggest thing we've got and the
• 56:46
  reason we have no competition is because we have
• 56:48
  lines around the state and you have essentially
• 56:50
  monopolies in the state. I know what that is,
• 56:53
  but what else is part of your plan? So your only
• 56:56
  thing is to get rid of the lines around the states.
• 56:58
  What else is part of your health care plan? What
• 57:00
  the lines around the states mean. That's your
• 57:01
  only plan. And it was almost done. No, no. You
• 57:03
  know what that does? I'll give him time to mind.
• 57:05
  He can tell us his plan. Excuse me. That brings
• 57:07
  in competition. When you get rid of the lines,
• 57:10
  it brings in competition. So instead of having
• 57:12
  one insurance company taking care of New York
• 57:14
  or Texas, you'll have many. They'll compete,
• 57:17
  and it'll be a beautiful thing. Right. So that's
• 57:23
  the only part of the plan? Just the lines, the
• 57:25
  interstate competition? The nice part about the
• 57:27
  plan, you'll have many different plans. You'll
• 57:29
  have competition. You'll have so many different
• 57:31
  plans. But now he's repeating himself. No, I'm
• 57:33
  not repeating. No, no, no. I watched him repeat
• 57:57
  himself five times four weeks ago. I saw you
• 58:00
  repeat yourself five times five seconds ago.
• 58:02
  I watched him. melt down on the stage like I've
• 58:09
  never seen anybody. I thought he came out of
• 58:11
  the swimming pool. Let's talk about your plan.
• 58:14
  I see him repeat himself every night. It says
• 58:16
  five things. Everyone's dumb. He's going to make
• 58:18
  America great again. We're going to win, win,
• 58:20
  win. He's winning in the polls and the lines
• 58:22
  around the state. Every night, same thing. Senator
• 58:30
  Rubio, we will have time to respond. Mr. Trump,
• 58:34
  respond to what you just posed to him. Yeah,
• 58:35
  he's going to give us his plan now, right? If
• 58:36
  you could talk a little bit more about your plan.
• 58:38
  I know you talked about the interstate. No, no,
• 58:40
  we're going to have many different plans because
• 58:41
  there's going to be competition. Can you give
• 58:42
  a specific? Say that again. There's going to
• 58:44
  be competition. There is going to be competition
• 58:47
  among all of the states and the insurance companies.
• 58:50
  They're going to have many, many different plans.
• 58:52
  Is there anything else you would like to add
• 58:54
  to that as part of your plan? No, there's nothing
• 58:55
  to add. What's to add? What is to add? Thank
• 58:58
  you both. Governor Kasich. You've said it is,
• 59:01
  quote, un -American to deny someone health insurance
• 59:05
  if they have a pre -existing condition. Would
• 59:07
  you leave the individual mandate in place requiring
• 59:11
  all Americans to purchase insurance? No, I wouldn't.
• 59:14
  But that doesn't matter when it comes to the
• 59:17
  issue of pre -existing conditions. You don't
• 59:19
  want any American to lose their house, everything
• 59:22
  they've saved, because they get sick. Now, I
• 59:24
  think it is more complicated than what we've
• 59:26
  heard here tonight. We're actually running. significant
• 59:29
  health reform in my state. I would repeal Obamacare
• 59:32
  for a variety of reasons. I would take some of
• 59:35
  the federal resources, combine it with a freed
• 59:37
  -up Medicaid program, which I would send back
• 59:39
  to the states, and cover the people who are currently
• 59:42
  the working poor because we don't want to have
• 59:44
  tens of millions of Americans losing their health
• 59:46
  insurance. And then we're driving towards total
• 59:48
  transparency. If any of you here ever get a hospital
• 59:52
  bill, it's easier to interpret the Dead Sea Scrolls
• 59:55
  than to understand your hospital bill. The fact
• 59:57
  is what we need is transparency with hospitals
• 1:00:00
  and with the providers. And I'll tell you what
• 1:00:02
  we will do. We are actually going to make payments
• 1:00:06
  to physicians and to hospitals who actually deliver
• 1:00:09
  health care with great quality at low prices.
• 1:00:13
  We're actually going to make the market work.
• 1:00:15
  Governor, let me just go back to the original
• 1:00:16
  question about the individual mandate. In 1994,
• 1:00:19
  when you were in Congress, you proposed a plan.
• 1:00:22
  requiring an individual mandate. So what changed?
• 1:00:25
  Well, Dan, the Heritage Foundation had this position
• 1:00:28
  as well. And when I look at it, I don't think
• 1:00:30
  it's tenable. And we don't need to do that. Again,
• 1:00:33
  I'm telling you that we have a proposal, a plan
• 1:00:36
  that we're enacting now that says if you are
• 1:00:39
  a hospital or a doctor and you're providing very
• 1:00:42
  high quality at lower prices below the midpoint,
• 1:00:45
  some charge high, some charge low. If you are
• 1:00:48
  below the midpoint, we are going to give you
• 1:00:50
  a financial reward. for allowing you to provide
• 1:00:53
  services that result in high quality for our
• 1:00:56
  people at lower prices. That is the way in which
• 1:00:58
  we are going to damp down the rising costs of
• 1:01:01
  health care. Because if you think about your
• 1:01:03
  own deductibles today, they're going higher,
• 1:01:05
  higher, and higher. And you know what? At some
• 1:01:08
  point, people can't afford it. Our plan will
• 1:01:10
  work. It uses the market. It uses transparency.
• 1:01:12
  It gets the patient in the middle. And guess
• 1:01:15
  what? We're actually doing it in my state, the
• 1:01:17
  seventh largest state in the country. And if
• 1:01:20
  this will go national, we will get our hands
• 1:01:23
  on health care where you will know what's going
• 1:01:25
  on. We will pay for quality, lower prices, and
• 1:01:29
  we will begin to see health care become affordable
• 1:01:31
  in America and where people will also be able
• 1:01:34
  to have health insurance even if they have a
• 1:01:36
  preexisting condition. We don't want to throw
• 1:01:39
  millions of people out into the cold and not
• 1:01:41
  have the health insurance, Dana. really what
• 1:01:44
  we're doing. This is not a theory. This is what
• 1:01:46
  we are actually doing in our state. We will begin
• 1:01:49
  payments next year based on episodes that we
• 1:01:52
  have in our lives. If our primary care physicians
• 1:01:55
  keep us healthy for a year with really high quality,
• 1:01:59
  guess what? They will get a financial reward.
• 1:02:01
  Our primary care physicians need help. They need
• 1:02:03
  support. We're losing them. This will allow them
• 1:02:06
  to get a reward for doing a great job. Thank
• 1:02:08
  you. Dr. Carson, you have dealt with the sickest
• 1:02:15
  of patients. You support covering pre -existing
• 1:02:18
  conditions. How would you change Obamacare but
• 1:02:21
  maintain that coverage? Well, first of all, health
• 1:02:25
  care is not a right, but I do believe it is a
• 1:02:29
  responsibility for a responsible society, and
• 1:02:31
  we are that. We spend almost twice as much per
• 1:02:34
  capita on health care as many other nations who
• 1:02:38
  have actually much better access than we do.
• 1:02:42
  I propose a system in which we use health empowerment
• 1:02:44
  accounts, which are like a health savings account
• 1:02:47
  with no bureaucrats. And we give it to everybody
• 1:02:49
  from birth until death. They can pass it on when
• 1:02:52
  they die. We pay for it with the same dollars
• 1:02:55
  that we pay for traditional health care with.
• 1:02:57
  We give people the ability to shift money within
• 1:02:59
  their health empowerment account within their
• 1:03:01
  family. So if dad's $500 short, mom can give
• 1:03:04
  it to him or cousin or uncle. And it makes every
• 1:03:08
  family their own insurance carrier. with no middleman,
• 1:03:12
  gives you enormous flexibility. And also, you
• 1:03:16
  know, if Uncle Joe was smoking like a chimney,
• 1:03:18
  everybody's going to hide his cigarettes because
• 1:03:19
  they're all interested in what's going on there.
• 1:03:22
  Also, your catastrophic health care is going
• 1:03:26
  to cost a lot less money now because the only
• 1:03:29
  thing coming out of that is catastrophic health
• 1:03:31
  care. So it's like a homeowner's policy. with
• 1:03:35
  a large deductible versus a homeowner's policy
• 1:03:38
  where you want every scratch covered. One costs
• 1:03:40
  $1 ,500 a year. One costs $10 ,000 a year. You
• 1:03:43
  can buy the $1 ,500 one. That will take care
• 1:03:46
  of 75 % of the people. The people who are indigent,
• 1:03:49
  how do we take care of them now? Medicaid. What's
• 1:03:52
  the Medicaid budget? Almost $500 billion. Almost
• 1:03:55
  80 million people participate, which is way too
• 1:03:57
  many, and that'll get a lot better when we fix
• 1:03:59
  the economy, which I hope we get a chance to
• 1:04:00
  talk about. But do the math. Over $5 ,000 for
• 1:04:04
  each man, woman, and child. And they will have
• 1:04:07
  a lot more flexibility. What could you buy with
• 1:04:09
  that? A concierge practice. And you could still
• 1:04:12
  have thousands of dollars left over. And let
• 1:04:14
  me just finish, because I don't get to talk that
• 1:04:16
  much. And, you know, let's... You have the money
• 1:04:22
  that's left over to buy your catastrophic insurance,
• 1:04:25
  but most importantly, we give them a menu, just
• 1:04:28
  like we do on Medicare Part C, and they have
• 1:04:32
  the choices that will allow them not only to
• 1:04:34
  have catastrophic health care, but drug care
• 1:04:37
  and everything else. It will be such a good program
• 1:04:40
  that nobody will want Obamacare after that, and
• 1:04:43
  that's probably the best way to do it, although
• 1:04:45
  if anybody still did, I would still defund it.
• 1:04:47
  Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Carson. Let's talk
• 1:04:51
  about the economy. Let's talk about the economy.
• 1:04:54
  Does everyone get to address Obamacare but me?
• 1:04:57
  I want to move on, but there'll be plenty of
• 1:04:59
  opportunities for you to address your issue.
• 1:05:01
  It's kind of an issue I have a long history with.
• 1:05:03
  I know you do. All right, go ahead. Thank you.
• 1:05:07
  How do you get that extra time, Cruz? You're
• 1:05:10
  very good at... You know, this is another issue
• 1:05:12
  on which Donald and I have sharp disagreements.
• 1:05:16
  On Planned Parenthood, he thinks Planned Parenthood
• 1:05:18
  is wonderful. I would instruct the Department
• 1:05:20
  of Justice to investigate them and prosecute
• 1:05:23
  any and all criminal violations. On Obamacare,
• 1:05:26
  both Donald and I say we want to end it, but
• 1:05:29
  for very different reasons. I want to end it
• 1:05:31
  because it goes too far, it's killed millions
• 1:05:32
  of jobs, and it's hurting people's health care.
• 1:05:35
  Donald wants to end it because he says it doesn't
• 1:05:37
  go nearly far enough. And what was amazing in
• 1:05:39
  that exchange that was missing... is for decades,
• 1:05:42
  Donald has been advocating socialized medicine.
• 1:05:45
  What he said is the government should pay for
• 1:05:47
  everyone's health care. And in fact, a couple
• 1:05:50
  of debates ago, he said, if you don't support
• 1:05:51
  socialized health care, you're heartless. Now,
• 1:05:54
  liberal Democrats have been saying that for years.
• 1:05:56
  Now, let me tell you, if you're a small business
• 1:05:58
  owner. Donald Trump's socialized medicine, putting
• 1:06:01
  the government in charge of your health care,
• 1:06:03
  would kill more jobs than Obamacare. And if you're
• 1:06:05
  elderly, the results of socialized medicine in
• 1:06:08
  every country on earth where it's been implemented
• 1:06:10
  has been rationing, has been the government saying,
• 1:06:13
  no, you don't get that hip replacement, you don't
• 1:06:15
  get that knee replacement. The government is
• 1:06:17
  in charge of your health care. I'll tell you
• 1:06:19
  this, as president, I will repeal every word
• 1:06:22
  of Obamacare. Thank you. Mr. Trump. I do not
• 1:06:27
  want... Socialized medicine, just so you understand.
• 1:06:30
  He goes around saying, oh, he wants it. I do
• 1:06:32
  not want socialized medicine. I do agree with
• 1:06:35
  him that it's going to be a disaster, Obamacare,
• 1:06:37
  for the economy. In 2017, it's going to be impossible
• 1:06:41
  for us to pay for it if you look at what's going
• 1:06:43
  on. That's why it has to be repealed for a lot
• 1:06:45
  of reasons. Number one, it doesn't work. Number
• 1:06:48
  two, premiums, you look at premiums going up
• 1:06:50
  25, 35, even 45 percent and more. We have to
• 1:06:55
  get rid of Obamacare. it is going to destroy
• 1:06:57
  our economy completely. Our economy is not doing
• 1:07:00
  well. It is going to destroy our economy greatly.
• 1:07:03
  And on that, I agree. Donald, true or false,
• 1:07:06
  you've said the government should pay for everyone's
• 1:07:07
  health care? That's false. You've never said
• 1:07:10
  that. No, I never. I said it worked in a couple
• 1:07:12
  of countries, but I never said it. But you've
• 1:07:13
  never stood on this debate stage and said it
• 1:07:15
  works great in Canada, Scotland, we should do
• 1:07:17
  it here. No, I did not. Did you say if you want
• 1:07:19
  people to die on the streets, if you don't support
• 1:07:22
  socialized health care, you have no heart. I
• 1:07:24
  will not let people die on the streets if I'm
• 1:07:27
  president. Have you said you're a liberal on
• 1:07:28
  health care? Excuse me, let me talk. Talk away.
• 1:07:30
  Explain your plan, please. My plan is very simple.
• 1:07:33
  I will not. We're going to have private. We are
• 1:07:35
  going to have private health care. But I will
• 1:07:38
  not allow people to die on the sidewalks and
• 1:07:41
  the streets of our country if I'm president.
• 1:07:44
  You may let it, and you may be fine with it.
• 1:07:47
  I'm not fine with it. We are going to take those
• 1:07:49
  people and they're going to get... Excuse me.
• 1:07:52
  We are going to take those people, and those
• 1:07:54
  people are going to be serviced by doctors and
• 1:07:56
  hospitals. We're going to make great deals on
• 1:07:58
  it, but we're not going to let them die in the
• 1:08:00
  streets. Who pays for it and who controls it?
• 1:08:02
  Senator, gentlemen, gentlemen, please. No, I
• 1:08:04
  want to clarify something. Gentlemen, please,
• 1:08:05
  I want to move on. This is a Republican debate,
• 1:08:06
  right? I want to talk about the economy. Because
• 1:08:07
  that attack about letting people die in the streets
• 1:08:09
  of the government doesn't support health care.
• 1:08:11
  Gentlemen, gentlemen, all of you have agreed.
• 1:08:13
  I'm refusing to answer that question. Senator
• 1:08:14
  Cruz. You know what? Call it what you want. It's
• 1:08:16
  a yes or no. Call it what you want. People are
• 1:08:18
  not going to be dying. All of you have agreed.
• 1:08:20
  All of you have agreed to the rules. I want to
• 1:08:23
  move on. We're talking about the economy right
• 1:08:26
  now. Mr. Trump, you want to cut taxes more than
• 1:08:30
  President Ronald Reagan did, more than President
• 1:08:32
  George W. Bush did. The Independent Tax Foundation
• 1:08:35
  says the cost to the country of your proposal
• 1:08:38
  would be about $10 trillion, and that takes into
• 1:08:42
  account the economic growth. that would emerge
• 1:08:44
  from your proposed tax cuts. How would you cut
• 1:08:47
  $10 trillion over 10 years but make sure the
• 1:08:51
  country isn't saddled with even more debt? Because
• 1:08:55
  the country will become a dynamic economy, will
• 1:08:58
  be dynamic again. If you look at what's going
• 1:09:01
  on, we have the highest taxes anywhere in the
• 1:09:04
  world. We pay more business tax. We pay more
• 1:09:06
  personal tax. We have the highest... taxes in
• 1:09:09
  the world. It's shutting off our economy. It's
• 1:09:12
  shutting off our country. We have trillions of
• 1:09:14
  dollars outside that we can't get in. Yes, we
• 1:09:17
  will do my tax plan, and it will be great. We
• 1:09:20
  will have a dynamic economy again. What specific
• 1:09:24
  cuts will you make to pay for that tax cut? We're
• 1:09:27
  going to make many cuts in business. We're going
• 1:09:29
  to get rid of so many different things. Department
• 1:09:32
  of Education, Common Core is out. We're going
• 1:09:35
  local. Have to go local. Environmental protection.
• 1:09:40
  We waste all of this money. We're going to bring
• 1:09:42
  that back to the states and we're going to have
• 1:09:44
  other many things. We are going to cut many of
• 1:09:48
  the agencies. We will balance our budget and
• 1:09:51
  we will be dynamic again. Mr. Trump, Mr. Trump,
• 1:09:55
  if you eliminate completely the Department of
• 1:09:57
  Education, as you have proposed. That's about
• 1:09:59
  $68 billion. If you eliminate the Environmental
• 1:10:02
  Protection Agency, that's about $8 billion. That's
• 1:10:05
  about $76 billion for those two agencies. The
• 1:10:08
  current deficit this year is $544 billion. Where
• 1:10:14
  are you going to come up with the money? Waste,
• 1:10:15
  fraud, and abuse all over the place. Waste, fraud,
• 1:10:19
  and abuse. You look at what's happening with
• 1:10:23
  Social Security. You look at what's happening
• 1:10:25
  with every agency. waste, fraud, and abuse. We
• 1:10:28
  will cut so much, your head will spin. Governor
• 1:10:30
  Kasich, when you were in Congress, you were chairman
• 1:10:34
  of the Budget Committee. You helped craft the
• 1:10:36
  last balanced budget the United States had. Can
• 1:10:39
  Mr. Trump's plan work? Well, I think it takes
• 1:10:43
  three things, Wolf, and I've done it. I mean,
• 1:10:45
  we got the budget balanced. We cut the capital
• 1:10:48
  gains tax. You see, in order to get this economy
• 1:10:50
  moving again, you have to grow the economy, and
• 1:10:53
  you have to restrain the spending. And when I
• 1:10:56
  was chairman, we cut that capital gains tax and
• 1:10:59
  we instituted a significant program to get to
• 1:11:02
  balance. We had a balanced budget four years
• 1:11:04
  in a row, had to take on every interest group
• 1:11:06
  in Washington, every single one of them. And
• 1:11:09
  we paid down a half a trillion of the national
• 1:11:11
  debt. And why do you do it? Because you want
• 1:11:13
  job growth. If you don't have regulatory reform,
• 1:11:16
  common sense regulations, reasonable tax cuts,
• 1:11:19
  which I have, and a fiscal plan, you won't get
• 1:11:22
  there. you will never be able to do it. Now,
• 1:11:25
  I inherited an $8 billion hole in Ohio. I have
• 1:11:29
  common sense regulations. I have tax cuts, the
• 1:11:32
  biggest of any governor in the country. And we
• 1:11:35
  have a fiscal plan. And it's not always cutting.
• 1:11:38
  It's innovating. It's producing a better product
• 1:11:41
  at, frankly, a lower price. Now we have a $2
• 1:11:43
  billion surplus. Our credit is strong. Our pensions
• 1:11:47
  are strong. And look, I've got a plan to take
• 1:11:49
  to Washington. and i will have it there in the
• 1:11:51
  first hundred days and it will include shipping
• 1:11:53
  welfare education, transportation, Medicaid,
• 1:11:57
  and job training back to us so we can begin in
• 1:12:00
  the states to be the laboratories of innovation.
• 1:12:02
  I've done it. I've did it in Washington. Four
• 1:12:05
  years of balanced budgets. No one can even believe
• 1:12:07
  it happened. I've done it in Ohio. We're growing.
• 1:12:10
  The jobs are up and people are having opportunity.
• 1:12:12
  And I will go back to Washington and do it again
• 1:12:15
  for the American people. I promise you that.
• 1:12:17
  Within the first hundred days, we will have the
• 1:12:20
  plan to get this done. Thank you, Governor. Speaking
• 1:12:25
  of taxes. I just want to say, and I'm a big fan
• 1:12:28
  of the governor, but they also struck oil. Okay,
• 1:12:30
  so that helped Ohio a lot. Let me just talk about
• 1:12:33
  that because I know that Donald believes the
• 1:12:35
  energy industry is important. So do I. But of
• 1:12:38
  the over 400 ,000 jobs that we've created in
• 1:12:41
  the state, we think maybe 15 ,000 are connected
• 1:12:44
  to this industry because it's early stage. See,
• 1:12:46
  what we've done in Ohio and what a president
• 1:12:48
  needs to do is to have a cabinet and a whole
• 1:12:51
  operation that's jobs friendly. We have diversified
• 1:12:55
  our economy. We do have energy. We have medical
• 1:12:58
  devices. We have financial services. We have
• 1:13:00
  IT. We just got Amazon. They're cloud computing
• 1:13:03
  in the Midwest. You know why it's happening?
• 1:13:05
  Because we have balanced budgets. We're strong.
• 1:13:08
  We're job friendly. We don't raise their taxes.
• 1:13:10
  And if we have a president that does that in
• 1:13:12
  America, we will get the economic growth. And
• 1:13:14
  that is what this country needs. Jobs, jobs,
• 1:13:17
  and jobs. Period. Mr. Trump. Yesterday, the last
• 1:13:24
  Republican presidential nominee, Mitt Romney,
• 1:13:26
  called on you to release your back tax returns
• 1:13:29
  and said, and I'm quoting him now, there is good
• 1:13:31
  reason to believe there is a bombshell in them.
• 1:13:35
  Romney said either you're not as wealthy as you
• 1:13:37
  say you are, said maybe you haven't paid the
• 1:13:40
  kind of taxes we would expect you to pay, or
• 1:13:42
  you haven't been giving the money to veterans
• 1:13:44
  or disabled people. Are any of those accusations
• 1:13:48
  that he has leveled true? First of all, let me
• 1:13:50
  just explain. I was the first one to file a financial
• 1:13:54
  disclosure form, almost 100 pages. You don't
• 1:13:57
  learn anything about somebody's wealth with a
• 1:13:59
  tax return. You learn it from statements. I filed,
• 1:14:03
  which shows that I'm worth over $10 billion.
• 1:14:05
  I built a great company with very little debt.
• 1:14:08
  People were shocked. The people in the back,
• 1:14:10
  the reporters, they were shocked when they went
• 1:14:12
  down. And I filed it on time. I didn't ask for
• 1:14:15
  five 45 -day extensions, which I would have been
• 1:14:17
  entitled to. So as far as that's concerned...
• 1:14:20
  I filed it, and that's where you find out what
• 1:14:22
  kind of a company. You don't learn anything from
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  a tax return. I will say this. Mitt Romney looked
• 1:14:28
  like a fool when he delayed and delayed and delayed,
• 1:14:31
  and Harry Reid baited him so beautifully, and
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  Mitt Romney didn't file his return until September
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  21st of 2012, about a month and a half before
• 1:14:42
  the election, and it cost him big league. As
• 1:14:45
  far as my return, I want to file it, except...
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  For many years, I've been audited every year,
• 1:14:51
  12 years or something like that. Every year,
• 1:14:54
  they audit me, audit me, audit me. Nobody gets
• 1:14:57
  audited. I have friends that are very wealthy
• 1:14:58
  people. They never get audited. I get audited
• 1:15:00
  every year. I will absolutely give my return,
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  but I'm being audited now for two or three years,
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  so I can't do it until the audit is finished,
• 1:15:09
  obviously, and I think people would understand
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  that. Hugh, go ahead. Mr. Trump. Are you going
• 1:15:17
  to ask anybody else a question? Every single
• 1:15:22
  question comes to me? I know I'm good for the
• 1:15:25
  ratings, but it's a little bit ridiculous. Mr.
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  Trump, a year ago, you told me on my radio show,
• 1:15:33
  the audio and the transcript are out there on
• 1:15:35
  YouTube, that you would release your tax returns.
• 1:15:38
  Are you going back on your commitment? First
• 1:15:41
  of all, very few people listen to your radio
• 1:15:42
  show. That's the good news. Let me just tell
• 1:15:44
  you, which happens to be true. Check out the
• 1:15:47
  ratings. Look, let me just tell you something.
• 1:15:49
  Let me just tell you something. I want to release
• 1:15:52
  my tax returns, but I can't release it while
• 1:15:54
  I'm under an audit. We're under a routine audit.
• 1:15:57
  I've had it for years. I get audited. And obviously,
• 1:16:01
  if I'm being audited, I'm not going to release
• 1:16:03
  a return. As soon as the audit is done, I love
• 1:16:06
  it. Okay, so Senator Rubio, Mitt Romney also
• 1:16:11
  called upon you to release your tax returns.
• 1:16:14
  Your campaign said last spring that you would
• 1:16:16
  release your returns that you had not previously
• 1:16:18
  released, and you'd say come out any day momentarily.
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  When are we going to see your return? Yes, tomorrow
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  or Saturday, in fact, is our plan to release
• 1:16:26
  them, and there's nothing really that interesting
• 1:16:27
  in them, so I have no problem releasing them.
• 1:16:29
  And luckily, I'm not being audited this year,
• 1:16:31
  or last year for that matter. But this is my
• 1:16:36
  time. I want to go back to this question you
• 1:16:37
  asked about the debt. This is an important issue.
• 1:16:39
  It's a huge issue. In less than five years, 83
• 1:16:43
  % of our entire budget will be made up of Social
• 1:16:46
  Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the interest
• 1:16:48
  on the debt. That means only 17 % of our budget
• 1:16:52
  will be for things like the military or the Department
• 1:16:54
  of Education or environmental protection issues.
• 1:16:57
  You cannot balance our budget unless you deal
• 1:16:59
  with that 83%. Which is why I've been repeatedly
• 1:17:02
  talking about, since my time running for the
• 1:17:04
  Senate in Florida, where there are a lot of people
• 1:17:06
  like my mother that depend on Social Security
• 1:17:08
  and Medicare, on the need to save those programs
• 1:17:10
  by reforming the way they work for future generations.
• 1:17:14
  And I think the longer we take to do this, the
• 1:17:16
  closer we are going to get to a debt crisis.
• 1:17:18
  And Wolf, you did not get an answer to your question.
• 1:17:21
  This debt issue is weird. The next president
• 1:17:23
  of the United States will not be able to serve
• 1:17:25
  four to eight years without dealing with the
• 1:17:27
  national debt. It is not a question of if. It
• 1:17:29
  is a question of when we have a debt crisis.
• 1:17:31
  And we should not leave the stage here tonight
• 1:17:33
  without hearing a serious answer from every single
• 1:17:36
  one of us about how we're going to bring the
• 1:17:38
  national debt under control once and for all.
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  Thank you, Senator Rubio. But I am being fair
• 1:17:46
  to all of the candidates. Senator Cruz, Tuesday
• 1:17:50
  is five days away. Why haven't voters seen...
• 1:17:53
  Your 2012, 2013, and 2014 returns. So I've released
• 1:17:58
  five years of tax returns already. We will have
• 1:18:01
  two more years available tomorrow. And I would
• 1:18:04
  note that this question really goes, you know,
• 1:18:06
  Donald says he's being audited. Well, I would
• 1:18:08
  think that would underscore the need to release
• 1:18:10
  those returns. If he has said something that
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  was false and that an audit is going to find
• 1:18:14
  was fraudulent, the voters need to know. And
• 1:18:17
  listen, people across this country, we recognize.
• 1:18:20
  Our country's in crisis. The most important question
• 1:18:23
  is how do we win the general election in November
• 1:18:26
  2016? And roughly 65 % of Republicans think Donald
• 1:18:31
  is not the right candidate to go against Hillary
• 1:18:33
  Clinton. Now, part of the reason is in the last
• 1:18:36
  10 polls on RealClearPolitics, he's lost to Hillary
• 1:18:39
  on eight of them. In the last 10 polls on RealClearPolitics,
• 1:18:43
  I either tie or beat Hillary. And this is an
• 1:18:46
  example. You know, the mainstream media is laying
• 1:18:48
  off Donald now. They're going to pick apart his
• 1:18:50
  taxes. They're going to pick apart his business
• 1:18:51
  deals. And let's take, for example, one of Hillary's
• 1:18:54
  great vulnerabilities, the corruption at the
• 1:18:56
  Clinton Foundation. The fact that she had CEOs
• 1:18:59
  and foreign companies giving her money while
• 1:19:02
  she was Secretary of State. The next Republican
• 1:19:04
  nominee needs to be able to make that case against
• 1:19:07
  Hillary. And if Donald tried to do it, Hillary
• 1:19:09
  would turn to Donald and say, but gosh, Donald,
• 1:19:11
  you gave $100 ,000 to the Clinton Foundation.
• 1:19:15
  to your wedding. He can't prosecute the case
• 1:19:18
  against Hillary, and we can't risk another four
• 1:19:21
  years of these failed Obama policies by nominating
• 1:19:24
  someone who loses to Hillary Clinton in November.
• 1:19:30
  At the beginning, I said openly to everybody
• 1:19:36
  that I contribute to many, many politicians,
• 1:19:39
  both Republican and Democrat, and I have over
• 1:19:40
  the years. I'm a businessman. I have over the
• 1:19:42
  years. And I sort of have to laugh when Ted makes
• 1:19:46
  a big deal out of the fact that he's doing well
• 1:19:48
  in the polls. Well, I'm beating him in virtually
• 1:19:50
  every poll. I'm tied in Texas, by the way, which
• 1:19:52
  I shouldn't be, but I think I'll do very well.
• 1:19:55
  But a poll just came out of Bloomberg poll where
• 1:19:58
  I am beating him so badly that it's like embarrassing
• 1:20:01
  even for me to say I'm beating him that badly.
• 1:20:03
  And here's the thing. It was sort of funny. 65
• 1:20:06
  % of the people don't like you. I just got 36
• 1:20:09
  % of the vote, right? I just got 46 % on another
• 1:20:12
  one. I got 38 % on another one. That means, and
• 1:20:17
  he got 20 and 22, and he lost in South Carolina
• 1:20:21
  so badly. That was going to be his stronghold.
• 1:20:23
  He said a year ago, oh, I can't lose South Carolina.
• 1:20:26
  I beat him in a landslide. Last week in Nevada,
• 1:20:29
  I beat him in a landslide. And he's saying about
• 1:20:31
  the polls. What other thing? Hillary Clinton,
• 1:20:33
  take a look at USA Today, take a look at the
• 1:20:35
  Q poll. I beat her, and I beat her badly, and
• 1:20:38
  I haven't even started on her. I only had one
• 1:20:41
  little interchange. I only had one little interchange,
• 1:20:45
  and that was four weeks ago when she said I was
• 1:20:48
  sexist, and believe me, they had a rough weekend
• 1:20:51
  that weekend between Bill and Hillary. They had
• 1:20:53
  a rough weekend. Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen.
• 1:20:56
  Hold on. He attacked me, Wolf. I get a response.
• 1:20:58
  I was about to say, Senator Cruz, respond. Thank
• 1:21:01
  you very much. You know, it's interesting. Donald
• 1:21:04
  went on an extended tirade about the polls, but
• 1:21:07
  he didn't respond to any of the substance. He
• 1:21:09
  is yet to say he can release past year's tax
• 1:21:12
  returns. He can do it tomorrow. He doesn't want
• 1:21:14
  to do it because presumably there's something
• 1:21:16
  in there that is bad. If there's nothing, release
• 1:21:19
  them tomorrow. They're already prepared. The
• 1:21:21
  only reason he's not releasing them is because
• 1:21:24
  he's afraid that he will get hit. You know, Marco
• 1:21:26
  made reference earlier to the litigation against
• 1:21:28
  Trump University. It's a fraud case. His lawyers
• 1:21:31
  have scheduled the trial for July. I want you
• 1:21:34
  to think about if this man is the nominee, having
• 1:21:36
  the Republican nominee on the stand in court
• 1:21:39
  being cross -examined about whether he committed
• 1:21:41
  fraud, you don't think the mainstream media will
• 1:21:43
  go crazy on that? And on substance, how do we
• 1:21:47
  nominate a candidate? who has said Hillary Clinton
• 1:21:50
  was the best secretary of state of modern times,
• 1:21:52
  who agreed with her on foreign policy, who agrees
• 1:21:54
  with Bernie Sanders on health care, who agreed
• 1:21:56
  with Barack Obama on the Wall Street bailout.
• 1:21:59
  If we've got to win this election and we can't
• 1:22:02
  do it with a candidate who agrees with Hillary
• 1:22:05
  Clinton and can't take it to her and beat her
• 1:22:07
  on the debate stage and at the polls. Mr. Trump,
• 1:22:10
  hold on. Mr. Trump, first of all, he's talking
• 1:22:16
  about the polls. I'm beating him awfully badly
• 1:22:19
  in the polls. But you're not beating Hillary.
• 1:22:21
  Well, then if I can't, hey, if I can't beat her,
• 1:22:25
  you're really going to get killed, aren't you?
• 1:22:27
  So let me ask you this, because you're really
• 1:22:30
  getting beaten badly. I know you're embarrassed.
• 1:22:32
  I know you're embarrassed. But keep fighting.
• 1:22:33
  Keep swinging, man. Swing for the fences. Let
• 1:22:36
  me just tell you. Let me just tell you. The Trump
• 1:22:38
  University case is a civil case, not a... It's
• 1:22:41
  a civil case. It's a case where people want to
• 1:22:43
  try and get. It's a case that is nonsense. It's
• 1:22:46
  something I could have settled many times. I
• 1:22:47
  could settle it right now for very little money,
• 1:22:50
  but I don't want to do it out of principle. The
• 1:22:51
  people that took the course all signed most,
• 1:22:54
  many, many, signed report cards saying it was
• 1:22:56
  fantastic, it was wonderful, it was beautiful.
• 1:22:58
  And believe me, I'll win that case. That's an
• 1:23:01
  easy case, a civil case. Number two, as far as
• 1:23:04
  the taxes are concerned, I'm being audited. It's
• 1:23:07
  a very routine audit, and it's very unfair. because
• 1:23:10
  I've been audited for, I think, over 12 years.
• 1:23:12
  Every year, because of the size of my company,
• 1:23:14
  which is very, very large, I'm being audited,
• 1:23:17
  which is a very large company. Thank you. I'm
• 1:23:20
  being audited 12 years in a row at least. Now,
• 1:23:23
  until that audit's done, and I don't think anybody
• 1:23:25
  would blame me, I'm not giving it, but as soon
• 1:23:27
  as it's done, what about the years you're not
• 1:23:29
  being audited? Will you release those? I've been
• 1:23:31
  audited for those years. Which years? Gentlemen,
• 1:23:33
  we have rules. We're trying to obey these rules
• 1:23:37
  that all of you agreed. We're going to take a
• 1:23:39
  quick break. We have a lot more, many more critically
• 1:23:43
  important issues to discuss. Our coverage of
• 1:23:46
  this 10th Republican presidential debate from
• 1:23:48
  the University of Houston continues in a moment.
• 1:23:58
  Welcome back to the Republican presidential debate
• 1:24:01
  here at the University of Houston. Gentlemen,
• 1:24:04
  I want to turn our attention right now to key
• 1:24:07
  issues involving foreign policy and national
• 1:24:09
  security. And Mr. Trump, I'll begin with you.
• 1:24:12
  You said this about the ongoing conflict between
• 1:24:16
  the Israelis and the Palestinians. I'm quoting
• 1:24:18
  you now. Let me be sort of a neutral guy. I don't
• 1:24:22
  want to say whose fault it is. I don't think
• 1:24:25
  it helps. Here's the question. How do you remain
• 1:24:28
  neutral when the U .S. considers Israel to be
• 1:24:32
  America's closest ally in the Middle East? Well,
• 1:24:35
  first of all, I don't think they do under President
• 1:24:37
  Obama because I think he's treated Israel horribly.
• 1:24:39
  All right? I think he's treated Israel horribly.
• 1:24:44
  I was the grand marshal down Fifth Avenue a number
• 1:24:47
  of years ago for the Israeli Day Parade. I have
• 1:24:49
  very close ties to Israel. I've received the
• 1:24:52
  Tree of Life Award and many of the greatest awards
• 1:24:55
  given by Israel. As president, however, there
• 1:24:57
  is nothing that I would rather do to bring peace
• 1:25:01
  to Israel and its neighbors generally. And I
• 1:25:04
  think it serves no purpose to say that you have
• 1:25:08
  a good guy and a bad guy. Now, I may not be successful
• 1:25:10
  in doing it. It's probably the toughest negotiation
• 1:25:13
  anywhere in the world of any kind, okay? But
• 1:25:17
  it doesn't help if I start saying I am very pro
• 1:25:20
  -Israel, very pro, more than anybody on this
• 1:25:22
  stage. demeaning the neighbors because I would
• 1:25:28
  love to do something with regard to negotiating
• 1:25:31
  peace finally for Israel and for their neighbors.
• 1:25:35
  And I can't do that as well as a negotiator.
• 1:25:38
  I cannot do that as well if I'm taking big, big
• 1:25:41
  sides. With that being said, I am totally pro
• 1:25:43
  -Israel. Senator Cruz. Well, this is another
• 1:25:50
  area on which Donald agrees with Hillary Clinton
• 1:25:52
  and on which I disagree with them both strongly.
• 1:25:55
  Both Donald and Hillary Clinton want to be neutral.
• 1:25:58
  to use Donald's word, between Israel and the
• 1:26:00
  Palestinians. Let me be clear. If I'm president,
• 1:26:03
  America will stand unapologetically with the
• 1:26:07
  nation of Israel. And the notion of neutrality.
• 1:26:12
  is based upon the left buying into this moral
• 1:26:15
  relativism that is often pitched in the media.
• 1:26:17
  Listen, it is not equivalent. When you have terrorists
• 1:26:21
  strapping dynamite around their chest, exploding
• 1:26:23
  and murdering innocent women and children, they
• 1:26:25
  are not equivalent to the IDF officers protecting
• 1:26:28
  Israel. And I will not pretend that they are.
• 1:26:31
  Just today, Iran announced they're going to pay
• 1:26:33
  $7 ,000 to each suicide bomber. And I would note,
• 1:26:36
  missing from Donald's answer was anything he
• 1:26:39
  has done. in his nearly 70 years of living, defending
• 1:26:43
  Israel. I have over and over again led the fight
• 1:26:46
  to defend Israel, to fight for Israel. And this,
• 1:26:49
  if you want to know who will stand with Israel,
• 1:26:51
  we ought to start with who has stood with Israel
• 1:26:53
  when the heat was on. Mr. Trump. Well, I can
• 1:26:57
  only say, look, I can only say I've been a big
• 1:26:59
  contributor to Israel over the years. I've received
• 1:27:02
  many, many awards from Israel. As I've said before,
• 1:27:04
  I have a great relationship with Israel. And
• 1:27:07
  I'm going to keep it that way. And if I could
• 1:27:09
  bring peace, that would be a fantastic thing.
• 1:27:11
  It would be one of my greatest achievements as
• 1:27:13
  president. Governor Kasich, I want you to weigh
• 1:27:15
  in. Well, I mean, well, if I was in Congress
• 1:27:18
  for 18 years and on the defense committee and
• 1:27:21
  then. After 9 -11, the Secretary of Defense called
• 1:27:24
  me in to help out with some things. And I've
• 1:27:28
  been a supporter of Israel, strong supporter
• 1:27:30
  of Israel, longer than anybody on this stage.
• 1:27:33
  I didn't give as much money as Donald gave, but
• 1:27:35
  I've been standing with the Israelis for a very
• 1:27:38
  long time. And frankly, I think the problem we
• 1:27:40
  have in foreign policy right now, Wolf, is that
• 1:27:42
  we are not certain with who we stand with. Our
• 1:27:44
  allies are not sure what to make of us, and our
• 1:27:46
  enemies... are moving and one are moving because
• 1:27:50
  they they're not sure what we will do it's very
• 1:27:52
  interesting development here within the last
• 1:27:53
  24 hours we said to the south koreans that we
• 1:27:56
  would give them the high altitude defense system
• 1:27:59
  it really rattled the chinese and for the first
• 1:28:01
  time since we took positive action the chinese
• 1:28:04
  are beginning to take action against north korea
• 1:28:06
  when we stand firm and we let the world know
• 1:28:09
  who we're with who we stand for and we bring
• 1:28:12
  our allies together That is the road forward
• 1:28:15
  to be able to solve the problems in this country.
• 1:28:17
  We're going to get to North Korea in a moment,
• 1:28:19
  but Senator Rubio, what's wrong with the U .S.
• 1:28:22
  being an honest broker in a negotiation as Mr.
• 1:28:25
  Trump is proposing? Because, and I don't know
• 1:28:27
  if Donald realizes this, I'm sure it's not his
• 1:28:29
  intent perhaps, but the position you've taken
• 1:28:31
  is an anti -Israel position, and here's why.
• 1:28:33
  Because you cannot be an honest broker in a dispute
• 1:28:36
  between two sides in which one of the sides is
• 1:28:38
  constantly acting in bad faith. The Palestinian
• 1:28:41
  Authority has walked away from multiple efforts
• 1:28:43
  to make peace. Very generous offers from the
• 1:28:46
  Israelis. Instead, here's what the Palestinians
• 1:28:48
  do. They teach their four -year -old children
• 1:28:50
  that killing Jews is a glorious thing. Here's
• 1:28:53
  what Hamas does. They launch rockets and terrorist
• 1:28:55
  attacks against Israel on an ongoing basis. The
• 1:28:58
  bottom line is a deal between Israel and the
• 1:29:00
  Palestinians, given the current makeup of the
• 1:29:02
  Palestinians, is not possible. And so the next
• 1:29:05
  president of the United States needs to be someone
• 1:29:06
  like me who will stand firmly on the side of
• 1:29:09
  Israel. I'm not going to sit here and say, oh,
• 1:29:11
  I'm not either side. I will be on his side. be
• 1:29:14
  on Israel's side every single day because they
• 1:29:16
  are the only pro -American free enterprise democracy
• 1:29:19
  in the entire Middle East. Mr. Trump. I'm a negotiator.
• 1:29:33
  I've done very well over the years through negotiation.
• 1:29:36
  It's very important that we do that. In all fairness,
• 1:29:39
  Marco is not a negotiator. I watched him melt
• 1:29:41
  down, and I'll tell you, it was one of the saddest
• 1:29:43
  things I've ever seen. He is not going down.
• 1:29:46
  He thinks the Palestinian is a real estate deal.
• 1:29:48
  These people may even be tougher than Chris Christie.
• 1:29:51
  The Palestinians are not a real estate deal,
• 1:29:53
  Donald. No, no, no. A deal is a deal. A deal
• 1:29:57
  is not a deal when you're dealing with terrorists.
• 1:29:59
  You are not a negotiator. You are not a negotiator.
• 1:30:02
  And with your thinking, you will never... You
• 1:30:08
  will never bring peace. You will never bring
• 1:30:10
  peace. Donald might be able to bring condos in
• 1:30:12
  the Palestinian areas, but he's not going to.
• 1:30:14
  This is not a real estate deal. He will never
• 1:30:18
  be able to do it. I think I may be able to do
• 1:30:21
  it, although I will say this. Probably the toughest
• 1:30:24
  deal of any kind is that particular deal. Let's
• 1:30:27
  move on to talk about North Korea. You raised
• 1:30:30
  it, Governor Kasich. posed by North Korea to
• 1:30:34
  the United States and its allies. The commander
• 1:30:36
  of American forces in South Korea said the North
• 1:30:39
  Korean leader Kim Jong -un would use a weapon
• 1:30:42
  of mass destruction if he thought his regime
• 1:30:45
  was being threatened. You have said the United
• 1:30:48
  States should start examining a strategy of regime
• 1:30:51
  change in North Korea. Let's be clear. Are you
• 1:30:55
  talking about getting rid of Kim Jong -un? When
• 1:30:58
  you talk about regime change, Wolf, it means
• 1:31:02
  that regime change, that's what it means. And,
• 1:31:04
  you know, there's so much chaos in North Korea
• 1:31:07
  right now, there's a lot of reports of uncertainty
• 1:31:09
  and instability in that government. But look,
• 1:31:12
  here's what I think we ought to do, like, immediately,
• 1:31:14
  and we've been kicking the can down the road
• 1:31:16
  on this for, I don't know, 15 years. We should
• 1:31:19
  be intercepting the ships that are leaving North
• 1:31:21
  Korea so they're not selling this material or
• 1:31:24
  this technology or giving it to someone else.
• 1:31:26
  Secondly, Same goes with the aircraft. Thirdly,
• 1:31:29
  we need to slap even tougher sanctions on North
• 1:31:32
  Korea because we really don't have the toughest
• 1:31:34
  sanctions on North Korea. We ought to talk about
• 1:31:36
  arming South Korea with ballistic missile technology
• 1:31:39
  and, of course, also Japan with ballistic missile
• 1:31:42
  technology. Because we're now starting to take
• 1:31:45
  a firm position, we have the attention of the
• 1:31:47
  Chinese. The Chinese are the best way to calm
• 1:31:51
  that regime down and get them in a position where
• 1:31:53
  they back off. But when I say regime change,
• 1:31:56
  I don't have to talk exactly what that means.
• 1:31:58
  Look, I've been involved in national security
• 1:32:00
  for a long time. You don't have to spell everything
• 1:32:03
  out. But what I'm telling you is you look for
• 1:32:05
  any means you can. to be able to solve that problem
• 1:32:08
  in North Korea and in the meantime put the pressure
• 1:32:11
  on the Chinese and what we're doing is beginning
• 1:32:13
  to work against them. They are the key to being
• 1:32:16
  able to settle this situation. I just want to
• 1:32:18
  be precise, Governor Kasich, because this is
• 1:32:20
  critically important. There are a million North
• 1:32:22
  Korean troops north of the DMZ. Very well aware
• 1:32:25
  of that. A million South Korean troops, 28 ,000
• 1:32:28
  U .S. troops along the DMZ, right in between.
• 1:32:31
  Would you risk war? for regime change? Well,
• 1:32:34
  again, it would depend exactly what it, you know,
• 1:32:37
  what was happening, what was, what the situation
• 1:32:39
  was. But if there was an opportunity to remove
• 1:32:42
  the leader of North Korea and create stability,
• 1:32:45
  because I'll tell you, you keep kicking the can
• 1:32:47
  down the road, we're going to face this sooner
• 1:32:49
  or later. But in the meantime, I'm also aware
• 1:32:52
  of the fact there's 10 million people living
• 1:32:53
  in Seoul. So you don't just run around making
• 1:32:56
  charges. I have put it on the table that I would
• 1:32:58
  love to see regime change in North Korea. can
• 1:33:02
  actually accomplish that with this man who is
• 1:33:05
  now currently the leader. But the fact is we
• 1:33:07
  have to bring everything to bear. We have to
• 1:33:09
  be firm and we've got to unite those people in
• 1:33:12
  that part of the world to stand firmly against
• 1:33:15
  North Korea and make sure we have the ballistic
• 1:33:18
  missile technology to defend ourselves. Mr. Trump.
• 1:33:22
  One thing I'd like to add to what the governor
• 1:33:24
  is saying. I think that we are now in a position,
• 1:33:27
  we owe $19 trillion. Because of the horrible
• 1:33:31
  omnibus budget that was approved six weeks ago,
• 1:33:33
  it's going to be $21 trillion. We can no longer
• 1:33:37
  defend all of these countries, Japan, Germany,
• 1:33:40
  South Korea. You order televisions, you order
• 1:33:43
  almost anything, you're getting it from these
• 1:33:45
  countries, whether it's a Mercedes -Benz or whether
• 1:33:48
  it's an air conditioning unit. They're coming
• 1:33:51
  out of these countries. They are making a fortune.
• 1:33:53
  Saudi Arabia, we are defending Saudi Arabia.
• 1:33:56
  Before the oil went down, now they're making
• 1:33:58
  less, but they're making plenty. They were making
• 1:34:00
  $1 billion a day. We defend all of these countries
• 1:34:04
  for peanuts. You talk about budgets. We have
• 1:34:06
  to start getting reimbursed for taking care of
• 1:34:09
  the military services for all of these countries.
• 1:34:13
  Dr. Persson, Dr. Persson. Hey, Walt, let me just
• 1:34:17
  say this, because he mentioned... He mentioned
• 1:34:20
  this. Look, we're all in agreement that the Japanese
• 1:34:21
  need to do more. We're all in agreement that
• 1:34:23
  the Europeans need to do more. But I hate to
• 1:34:26
  just tell everybody we are the leader of the
• 1:34:27
  world and we should put the pressure on them
• 1:34:29
  to do their job. There is no question about it.
• 1:34:33
  But at the same time, we also have to rebuild
• 1:34:36
  the military. Look, I have a balanced budget
• 1:34:38
  plan that cuts taxes, reforms regulations, but
• 1:34:41
  also builds the military, puts $100 billion more
• 1:34:44
  in defense. We need to rebuild our defenses.
• 1:34:47
  But I must also tell you, as a longtime reformer
• 1:34:50
  of the Pentagon, we must reform that building.
• 1:34:53
  We can't have a weapons system take 22 and a
• 1:34:56
  half years. We have 800 ,000 bureaucrats working
• 1:34:59
  for DOT. performing bureaucratic functions when
• 1:35:03
  we ought to be putting these resources into strengthening
• 1:35:06
  the military. So we can do it all. We can do
• 1:35:09
  it all. How would you deal with North Korea?
• 1:35:12
  Okay. Well, first of all, people say that I whine
• 1:35:16
  a lot because I don't get time. I'm going to
• 1:35:18
  whine because I didn't get asked about taxes.
• 1:35:21
  I didn't get asked about Israel. Hugh, you said
• 1:35:25
  you're going to be fair to everybody. You didn't
• 1:35:26
  ask me about taxes. I had something to say about
• 1:35:29
  that. Now, Go ahead. This is your moment. Okay.
• 1:35:35
  We have a system of taxation in this country
• 1:35:38
  that is horribly wrong. You know, I never had
• 1:35:42
  an audit until I spoke at the national prayer
• 1:35:45
  breakfast. And then all of a sudden, they came
• 1:35:48
  in, they said, we just want to look at your real
• 1:35:50
  estate dealings. And then they didn't find anything.
• 1:35:53
  So they said, let's look at the whole year. And
• 1:35:56
  they didn't find anything. So they said, let's
• 1:35:57
  look at the next year and the next year. And
• 1:35:59
  they didn't find anything and they won't find
• 1:36:01
  anything because I'm a very honest person. But
• 1:36:04
  the fact of the matter is the IRS is not honest
• 1:36:07
  and we need to get rid of them. As far as Israel
• 1:36:17
  is concerned, you know, when I was there several
• 1:36:20
  months ago, I talked to a lot of people. I couldn't
• 1:36:22
  find a single one who didn't think that we had
• 1:36:25
  turned our backs on Israel. You know, they are
• 1:36:28
  a strategic partner for us, but also recognize
• 1:36:31
  that we have a Judeo -Christian foundation. And
• 1:36:34
  the last thing we need to do is to reject Israel.
• 1:36:38
  Doesn't mean that we can't be fair to other people.
• 1:36:40
  We can always be fair to other people. But, you
• 1:36:43
  know, it's like when you have a child, you know,
• 1:36:45
  you want to be fair to all the children around,
• 1:36:47
  but you have a special attention for your own
• 1:36:51
  child. And now as far as North Korea is concerned.
• 1:36:54
  Kim Jong -un is an unstable person, but he does
• 1:36:59
  understand strength, and I think we have to present
• 1:37:01
  strength to him. We should be encouraging the
• 1:37:05
  alliance with Japan and South Korea. We should
• 1:37:10
  be encouraging the placement of the THAAD, the
• 1:37:13
  Terminal High Altitude Area Defense, because
• 1:37:16
  that seems to disturb not only the North Koreans
• 1:37:19
  but the Chinese as well. And we also need to
• 1:37:23
  have a much more robust naval presence in that
• 1:37:27
  area. And I think we need to be developing a
• 1:37:30
  strategic defense initiative because this man
• 1:37:32
  is going to have long -range missiles. He is
• 1:37:35
  going to have nuclear capabilities. We need to
• 1:37:37
  be able to defend ourselves. And lastly, we should
• 1:37:40
  make sure that he knows that if he ever shoots
• 1:37:43
  a missile at us, it'll be the last thing he ever
• 1:37:44
  does. Thank you. Thank you. We're going to continue
• 1:37:49
  national security. Go ahead, Hugh. Thank you,
• 1:37:52
  Wolf. Mr. Trump, we are less than 24 hours away
• 1:37:56
  from a ceasefire in Syria that has been brokered
• 1:37:59
  between the U .S. and Russia. Do you support
• 1:38:02
  this ceasefire? I really don't because it's not
• 1:38:04
  working and the countries aren't agreeing to
• 1:38:06
  it and the rebels aren't agreeing and Syria is
• 1:38:08
  not agreeing to it. It's a meaningless ceasefire.
• 1:38:10
  I love the idea of a ceasefire. I love the idea
• 1:38:13
  with a total cessation. But it's not working,
• 1:38:16
  as you know very well. It's not working. We can
• 1:38:18
  do all we want with Russia, but nobody else is
• 1:38:21
  adhering to it. So I certainly support it. I
• 1:38:24
  would certainly love it. But all parties have
• 1:38:26
  to be part of it. Senator Cruz, your opinion
• 1:38:27
  on the ceasefire? Well, look, we're certainly
• 1:38:30
  hopeful that the violence will cease, but there's
• 1:38:33
  reason to be highly skeptical. Russia has enhanced
• 1:38:36
  its position because of Obama's weakness in the
• 1:38:39
  Middle East, weakness in Syria. And, you know,
• 1:38:42
  as we're headed to November, We need to nominate
• 1:38:44
  a Republican candidate that can lay out a clear
• 1:38:46
  difference with both Barack Obama and Hillary
• 1:38:49
  Clinton on foreign policy. One of the real challenges
• 1:38:52
  with both Donald and Senator Rubio is that they
• 1:38:55
  have agreed over and over again with both Hillary
• 1:38:58
  Clinton and Barack Obama. So, for example, in
• 1:39:01
  Libya. Both of them agreed with the Obama -Clinton
• 1:39:04
  policy of toppling the government in Libya. That
• 1:39:06
  was a disaster. It gave the country over to radical
• 1:39:09
  Islamic terrorism and it endangered America.
• 1:39:12
  Another example is John Kerry. John Kerry, Senator
• 1:39:16
  Rubio voted to confirm John Kerry as Secretary
• 1:39:18
  of State. I voted against him and Donald Trump
• 1:39:20
  supported John Kerry. against George W. Bush
• 1:39:24
  in 2004, gave him a check, and John Kerry has
• 1:39:27
  been the most anti -Israel secretary of state
• 1:39:29
  this country has ever seen. His diplomacy has
• 1:39:33
  been a disaster, and if we nominate someone who
• 1:39:36
  agreed with John Kerry, Barack Obama, and Hillary
• 1:39:38
  Clinton on foreign policy, we're not in a strong
• 1:39:40
  position to win the general election. A response,
• 1:39:43
  Mr. Trump, then Mr. Rubio. Again, I think I gave
• 1:39:48
  them both checks, to be exactly honest. I think
• 1:39:50
  they both like me very much. But the fact is
• 1:39:53
  that... You called for Bush to be impeached.
• 1:39:54
  Well, I think Bush did a hell of a bad job as
• 1:39:56
  far as that's concerned. You know it, and so
• 1:39:58
  do I. But you gave him a check and called for
• 1:39:59
  him to be impeached? No, this was before. The
• 1:40:02
  check came early. But let me just tell you, Syria,
• 1:40:05
  he's saying that I was in favor of Syria. He
• 1:40:07
  said I was in favor of Libya. I never discussed
• 1:40:11
  that subject. I was in favor of Libya. We would
• 1:40:13
  be so much better off if Gaddafi... We're in
• 1:40:16
  charge right now. If these politicians went to
• 1:40:19
  the beach and didn't do a thing, and we had Saddam
• 1:40:21
  Hussein, and if we had Qaddafi in charge, instead
• 1:40:24
  of having terrorism all over the place, would
• 1:40:26
  be at least they killed terrorists, all right?
• 1:40:29
  And I'm not saying they were good because they
• 1:40:31
  were bad. They were really bad. But we don't
• 1:40:33
  know what we're getting. You look at Libya right
• 1:40:35
  now. ISIS, as we speak, is taking over their
• 1:40:37
  oil. As we speak, it's a total mess. We would
• 1:40:41
  have been better off if the politicians took
• 1:40:43
  a day off instead of going into war. Senator
• 1:40:46
  Rubio? Yeah, a couple points. Number one, on
• 1:40:49
  the Libya situation, we didn't topple Qaddafi.
• 1:40:51
  The Libyan people toppled Qaddafi. The only choice
• 1:40:53
  before America that this president had to make
• 1:40:55
  is does it happen quickly or does it take a long
• 1:40:57
  time? And I argued if it takes a long time, you're
• 1:41:00
  going to have rebel forces emerge like these
• 1:41:02
  radical Islamists to take advantage of the vacuum.
• 1:41:04
  And that's what happened. That's where the term
• 1:41:06
  lead from behind came. And that's the foreign
• 1:41:08
  policy that apparently Senator Cruz appears to
• 1:41:10
  agree with. On John Kerry, yeah, you know why?
• 1:41:12
  Because every day John Kerry wasn't appointed
• 1:41:13
  was another day Hillary Clinton was still in
• 1:41:16
  charge of the State Department. And she was absolutely
• 1:41:18
  horrible. I couldn't imagine that they were going
• 1:41:19
  to find somebody even worse than her. But this
• 1:41:22
  president never ceases to amaze. And the last
• 1:41:24
  point I would make on South Korea. Now this is
• 1:41:27
  important. Because we're asking to be commander
• 1:41:30
  -in -chief. Donald is asking to be commander
• 1:41:31
  -in -chief. And he's saying these guys need to
• 1:41:33
  do more. South Korea contributes $800 million
• 1:41:36
  a year to that effort. And Japan contributes
• 1:41:38
  as well. And here's why our commitment to that
• 1:41:41
  regional security is so critical, Donald. Because
• 1:41:43
  if we walk away from them, both Japan and South
• 1:41:46
  Korea will become nuclear weapons powers. They
• 1:41:48
  can do that very quickly. And that's what they
• 1:41:50
  will do if the American defense agreements withers
• 1:41:53
  away, which is why we have to rebuild the military,
• 1:41:55
  but why we can't walk away from our Asia -Pacific
• 1:41:58
  defense status. Mr. Trump, I never said walk
• 1:42:00
  away. I wouldn't want to walk away. I want them
• 1:42:03
  to pay us much more money. We cannot afford to
• 1:42:07
  subsidize. A lot. I'll negotiate a lot more money
• 1:42:10
  than you'll ever get. As far as John Kerry is
• 1:42:14
  concerned, there has been no tougher critic of
• 1:42:16
  this man. I think he negotiated one of the worst
• 1:42:19
  deals in the history of our country, the Iran
• 1:42:21
  deal, where they get their $150 billion and all
• 1:42:24
  of the other things that take place. It is a
• 1:42:27
  disaster for this country. And speaking of Israel,
• 1:42:30
  it's a disaster for Israel. I'm no fan of John
• 1:42:33
  Kerry. Hold on, hold on. Governor, Senator Cruz.
• 1:42:36
  You know, it's interesting. Donald just said
• 1:42:38
  that he never came out in favor of toppling Gaddafi
• 1:42:40
  in Libya. Well, he stated that in an interview
• 1:42:43
  that will be on our website, tedcruz .org. You
• 1:42:45
  can see and hear the exact words from Donald's
• 1:42:47
  mouth. And I assume when he sees that interview,
• 1:42:49
  maybe he forgot about it, that I assume Donald
• 1:42:52
  will apologize where he sees that he said exactly
• 1:42:54
  that. With regard to John Kerry, I will say John
• 1:42:57
  Kerry's foreign policy has been a disaster for
• 1:42:59
  decades. That's why I voted against him when
• 1:43:02
  he came up. And the fact that Donald Trump would
• 1:43:04
  write him a check and support him against George
• 1:43:06
  W. Bush shows exceptionally poor foreign policy
• 1:43:09
  judgment. And I'll give one more example in Israel.
• 1:43:12
  When the Obama administration canceled civilian
• 1:43:14
  air flights into the nation of Israel, when Hamas
• 1:43:17
  was raining rockets down on them, I publicly
• 1:43:19
  asked, is this an economic boycott against Israel?
• 1:43:22
  the next day Michael Bloomberg another New York
• 1:43:25
  billionaire got on a plane a commercial flight
• 1:43:27
  and flew to Israel from London Together, the
• 1:43:30
  heat and light that was put on the State Department
• 1:43:32
  was so great that within 36 hours, they lifted
• 1:43:35
  the ban on air flight into Israel during that
• 1:43:38
  entire battle. And indeed, during every battle
• 1:43:41
  on Israel, the natural question is, where was
• 1:43:43
  Donald? If this is something he cares about,
• 1:43:45
  why has he supported anti -Israel politicians
• 1:43:48
  from Jimmy Carter to Hillary Clinton to John
• 1:43:51
  Kerry for four decades? If you care about Israel,
• 1:43:54
  you don't write checks to politicians who are
• 1:43:57
  undermining Israel. Instead, you stand and support
• 1:44:00
  the national security of America and the alliance.
• 1:44:03
  There's a critical point that needs to be made
• 1:44:05
  here. Governor, Governor, he attacked, he attacked
• 1:44:09
  Mr. Trump. Mr. Trump has a right to respond.
• 1:44:12
  Well, look, my response is very simple. There
• 1:44:14
  is nobody on this stage that has done more for
• 1:44:17
  Israel than I have. Nobody. You might say, you
• 1:44:20
  might talk, your politicians all talk, no action.
• 1:44:23
  I've been watching it all my life. You are all
• 1:44:26
  talk and no action. What I've seen up here, I
• 1:44:30
  mean, first of all, this guy's a joke artist
• 1:44:31
  and this guy's a liar. You have a combination
• 1:44:33
  of factors. He can't do it for the obvious reason,
• 1:44:39
  and he can't do it because he doesn't know how
• 1:44:41
  to tell the truth. Other than that, I rest my
• 1:44:44
  case. This is the typical thing he does. In any
• 1:44:46
  debate about policy, he goes right for the outrage.
• 1:44:49
  Governor Kasich, you have the floor. You will
• 1:44:52
  have a response, but I promise Governor Kasich
• 1:44:54
  he could respond. Can somebody attack me, please?
• 1:44:56
  Wolf. Wolf. There's something... I want to...
• 1:45:08
  I want to point out something here today that
• 1:45:10
  is so critically important about how the Obama
• 1:45:13
  administration has really done such a ridiculous,
• 1:45:16
  feckless job here in foreign policy. First of
• 1:45:19
  all, we should have been supporting the rebels
• 1:45:21
  long ago. They could have taken Assad out, and
• 1:45:24
  because we did nothing, the Russians are now
• 1:45:27
  in, and they're sitting in the catbird seat.
• 1:45:29
  We should have been helping them. I'm thankful
• 1:45:31
  that the aid trucks are finally getting into
• 1:45:34
  Syria, but the fact is, had we had acted, we
• 1:45:36
  would have solved that problem. Now, let's talk
• 1:45:38
  about Libya. Libya didn't go down because it
• 1:45:41
  was some people revolution. Hillary Clinton,
• 1:45:43
  Samantha Power, and all these other people convinced
• 1:45:45
  the president to undermine Gaddafi. They undermined
• 1:45:49
  him, and now they have created a cesspool in
• 1:45:51
  Libya. And let me just say to you, we have ISIS
• 1:45:55
  beginning to get a foothold in Libya. We're going
• 1:45:58
  to have to deal with it. There are not many major
• 1:45:59
  cities in Libya. They're on the coast. Mostly
• 1:46:02
  it's desert, but it's a problem. Then we have
• 1:46:04
  ISIS in Syria, and we have ISIS in Iraq. Because
• 1:46:08
  this administration has not had a strong and
• 1:46:12
  firm foreign policy, we are going to inherit.
• 1:46:15
  One of us here is going to inherit a total mess,
• 1:46:17
  and we're going to have to work our way out of
• 1:46:20
  it. including the need to arm the Ukrainians.
• 1:46:23
  They have been ignored, and we need to help them
• 1:46:25
  as well and assert ourselves as America. Let's
• 1:46:27
  continue the questioning on ISIS. Maria. Hold
• 1:46:30
  on, Wolf. You said I got a response. You'll have
• 1:46:33
  a chance. Maria will pick up the question. Hold
• 1:46:35
  on. You called me a liar. You're saying I can't
• 1:46:36
  respond to being called a liar? Go ahead and
• 1:46:38
  respond. You know, what we're seeing with Donald
• 1:46:41
  is actually the pattern of Washington, the pattern
• 1:46:45
  of Washington dealmakers, which is they make
• 1:46:47
  promises, they break their words, and then when
• 1:46:49
  anyone calls them on it, They call you a liar.
• 1:46:52
  And so that's Donald's pattern over and over.
• 1:46:54
  And he said, for example, seven months ago, this
• 1:46:56
  is Donald speaking, quote, I, Donald Trump, was
• 1:46:59
  a member of the establishment. There's a reason
• 1:47:01
  Harry Reid thinks he's the best Republican up
• 1:47:04
  here. There's a reason Jimmy Carter said he would
• 1:47:06
  support Donald Trump over me because he said
• 1:47:08
  Donald Trump is malleable. He has no fixed set
• 1:47:11
  of beliefs, whereas Ted Cruz is not malleable.
• 1:47:14
  And every time anyone points at Donald's actual
• 1:47:17
  record, what he said on national television,
• 1:47:19
  Donald yells liar. Let me tell you something.
• 1:47:22
  Falsely accusing someone of lying is itself a
• 1:47:25
  lie, and it's something Donald does daily. Go
• 1:47:26
  ahead, Mr. Trump. I watched. I watched the lobbyists.
• 1:47:38
  I watched what this man did to Dr. Ben Carson,
• 1:47:43
  who I respect in Iowa, where he said that Ben
• 1:47:46
  Carson is out of the race. He has left Iowa and
• 1:47:49
  he's out of the race. And I thought it was disgraceful
• 1:47:52
  and got a lot of votes because of that. A lot
• 1:47:55
  of votes took him away from Ben Carson. I watched
• 1:47:57
  that probably took him away from me, too. But
• 1:47:59
  I watched it. I also watched where he did a form
• 1:48:02
  that looked like it came right out of a government
• 1:48:04
  agency. And it said on top, voter violation.
• 1:48:08
  And then it graded you. And it scared the hell
• 1:48:10
  out of people. And it said the only way you clear
• 1:48:13
  up the violation, essentially, is to go and vote.
• 1:48:16
  for Ted Cruz. I watched that fraudulent document
• 1:48:19
  and I said it's the worst thing I've ever seen
• 1:48:21
  in politics. To me, that was even worse than
• 1:48:23
  what he did to Ben. Senator Cruz. I know politicians,
• 1:48:26
  I know politicians, believe it or not, better
• 1:48:28
  than you do. And it's not good. Oh, I believe
• 1:48:31
  it. No, no, I believe you know politicians much
• 1:48:33
  better than I do because for 40 years you've
• 1:48:36
  been funding liberal democratic politicians.
• 1:48:38
  And by the way, I funded you. I funded him. You're
• 1:48:41
  welcome to have the check back. I funded this
• 1:48:43
  guy. Because let's get clear. I gave him the
• 1:48:44
  check. Yeah, you gave me $5 ,000. You never funded
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  me. And by the way, let's be clear. Donald claims...
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  Donald claims to care about... You know why?
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  I didn't want to, but he sent me his book with
• 1:48:56
  his autograph. Donald, Donald, Donald, I understand
• 1:48:58
  rules are very hard for you. Mr. Trump, you're
• 1:48:59
  doing a great job. I have his book. Yeah, on
• 1:49:01
  your reality TV show, not in... Thank you for
• 1:49:04
  the book. Donald... Thank you for the book. Go
• 1:49:06
  ahead. Donald, you can get back on your meds
• 1:49:08
  now. We had a lot of fun up here tonight, I have
• 1:49:09
  to tell you. Thank you for the book. Donald,
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  Donald, relax. Go ahead. I'm relaxed. You're
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  the basket case. Go ahead. Go ahead. Don't get
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  nervous. Go ahead. I promise you, Donald, there's
• 1:49:23
  nothing about you that makes anyone nervous.
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  You know, people are actually watching this.
• 1:49:28
  You don't know what's happening. Gentlemen, gentlemen.
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  Wolf, I'm going to ask that my time not be deducted
• 1:49:32
  when he's yelling at me. The time is up, Wolf.
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  Gentlemen. Take control. Okay, now. The latest
• 1:49:34
  debate. Gentlemen, please. Hold on. I'm going
• 1:49:36
  to get my answer. He doesn't get to yell at me
• 1:49:37
  the whole time. I want to move on. These are
• 1:49:39
  the rules. He called me a liar. He interrupted
• 1:49:42
  the whole time. Wolf. Wolf, do I not get a response?
• 1:49:47
  Wolf, you should move on. You'll get plenty of
• 1:49:50
  response, so stand by. I want to talk about ISIS
• 1:49:54
  right now and the federal government. How best
• 1:49:58
  to keep Americans safe from ISIS? There's a huge
• 1:50:01
  battle underway right now between the tech giant
• 1:50:04
  Apple and the federal government. The federal
• 1:50:06
  government wants Apple to unlock the phone used
• 1:50:09
  by that San Bernardino. terrorists to prevent
• 1:50:11
  future attacks. Apple has refused, saying it
• 1:50:14
  would compromise the security of all of its customers.
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  And just this afternoon, they went to court to
• 1:50:20
  block the judge's order. Dana Bash, pick up the
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  questioning. Senator Rubio, you say it's complicated
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  and that, quote, Apple isn't necessarily wrong
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  to refuse the court order. Why shouldn't investigators
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  have... everything at their disposal. No, in
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  fact, what I have said is that the only thing,
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  the FBI made this very clear 48 hours ago, the
• 1:50:38
  only thing they are asking of Apple is that Apple
• 1:50:41
  allow them to use their own systems in the FBI
• 1:50:43
  to try to guess the password of the San Bernardino
• 1:50:46
  killer. Apple initially came out saying we're
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  being ordered to create a backdoor to an encryption
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  device. That is not accurate. The only thing
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  they're being asked to do, and the FBI made this
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  very clear about 48 hours ago, is allow us to
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  disable the self -destruct mode that's in the
• 1:50:59
  Apple phone so that we can try to guess, using
• 1:51:01
  our own systems, what the password of this killer
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  was. And I think they should comply with that.
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  That's all they're asking for. They are not asking
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  for Apple to create a backdoor to encryption.
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  So just to be clear, you did say on CNN... A
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  couple of weeks ago. This is a complicated issue.
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  Apple is not necessarily wrong here. Because
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  at the time, Apple was portraying that the court
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  order was to create a backdoor to an encryption
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  device. Just to be clear. If you are president,
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  would you instruct your Justice Department to
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  force Apple to comply or not? To comply with
• 1:51:30
  the order that says that they have to allow the
• 1:51:32
  FBI the opportunity to try to guess the password?
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  Correct. Absolutely. That Apple phone didn't
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  even belong to the killer. It belonged to the
• 1:51:38
  killer's employee, who have agreed to allow them
• 1:51:41
  to try to do this. That is all they're asking
• 1:51:42
  them to do, is to disable the self -destruct
• 1:51:45
  mode or the auto -erase mode on one phone in
• 1:51:48
  the entire world, but Apple doesn't want to do
• 1:51:50
  it because they think it hurts their brand. Well,
• 1:51:52
  let me tell you, their brand is not... or the
• 1:51:53
  national security of the United States of America.
• 1:51:56
  Jim Cook says this would be bad for America.
• 1:52:04
  Where do you stand? National security or personal
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  privacy? Well, as you know, at that same CNN
• 1:52:09
  forum, both Marco and I were asked this question.
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  His answer, he was on both sides of the fence.
• 1:52:15
  He's now agreeing with me, and so I'm glad. What
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  I said is, yes, Apple should be forced to comply
• 1:52:20
  with this court order. Why? Because under the
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  Fourth Amendment... A search and seizure is reasonable
• 1:52:26
  if it has judicial authorization and probable
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  cause. In this instance, the order is not...
• 1:52:31
  put a backdoor in everyone's cell phone. If that
• 1:52:33
  was the order, that order would be problematic
• 1:52:35
  because it would compromise security and safety
• 1:52:37
  for everyone. I would agree with Apple on that
• 1:52:40
  broad policy question, but on the question of
• 1:52:42
  unlocking this cell phone of a terrorist, we
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  should enforce the court order and find out everyone
• 1:52:47
  that terrorist in San Bernardino talked to on
• 1:52:50
  the phone, texted with, emailed, and absolutely
• 1:52:53
  Apple doesn't have a right to defy a valid court
• 1:52:56
  order in a terrorism investigation. Dr. Carson.
• 1:53:00
  Tim Cook, again, the CEO of Apple, says that
• 1:53:02
  this would be bad for America. What do you think?
• 1:53:06
  I think allowing terrorists to get away with
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  things is bad for America. You know, we have
• 1:53:12
  the Constitution. We have the Fourth Amendment.
• 1:53:18
  It guards us against illegal and unreasonable
• 1:53:21
  search and seizure. But we have mechanisms in
• 1:53:24
  place with the judicial system. that will allow
• 1:53:28
  us to gain material that is necessary to benefit
• 1:53:33
  the nation as a whole or the community as a whole.
• 1:53:36
  And that's why we have Pfizer courts and things
• 1:53:38
  of that nature. So absolutely, I would expect
• 1:53:42
  Apple to comply with the court order. If they
• 1:53:46
  don't comply with that, you're encouraging chaos
• 1:53:49
  in our system. Mr. Trump. I want to weigh in
• 1:53:53
  on this, please. I want to just tell you that...
• 1:53:56
  The problem is not right now between the administration
• 1:53:59
  and Apple. You know what the problem is? Where's
• 1:54:01
  the president been? You sit down in a back room
• 1:54:04
  and you sit down with the parties and you get
• 1:54:07
  this worked out. You don't litigate this on the
• 1:54:09
  front page of the New York Times where everybody
• 1:54:11
  in the world is reading about their dirty laundry
• 1:54:15
  out here. The president of the United States
• 1:54:17
  should be convening a meeting, should have convened
• 1:54:19
  a meeting with Apple and our security forces.
• 1:54:22
  And then you know what you do when you're the
• 1:54:23
  president? You lock the door. And you say you're
• 1:54:26
  not coming out until you reach an agreement that
• 1:54:29
  both gives the security people what they need
• 1:54:31
  and protects the rights of Americans. This is
• 1:54:33
  a failure of his leadership to get this done
• 1:54:36
  as an executive should be doing it. And I'll
• 1:54:39
  tell you, that's why you want a governor. I do
• 1:54:42
  this all the time. And we reach agreements all
• 1:54:45
  the time because an executive, you've got to
• 1:54:48
  solve problems instead of fighting on the front
• 1:54:50
  page of the newspaper. Thank you, Governor. Thank
• 1:54:54
  you. Mr. Trump. You have been very vocal about
• 1:54:58
  securing the Mexican border. But ISIS has called
• 1:55:03
  upon its supporters to conduct attacks in our
• 1:55:06
  neighbor to the north, Canada. As a matter of
• 1:55:09
  fact, U .S. officials have warned that it is
• 1:55:13
  the Canadian border which is the most significant
• 1:55:16
  threat. You have said that you will not build
• 1:55:18
  a wall in Canada. When it comes to national security
• 1:55:21
  and the threat of terrorism, Why does Mexico
• 1:55:24
  need a wall and Canada doesn't? Isn't that like
• 1:55:27
  closing the front door and leaving the back door
• 1:55:30
  open? First of all, you're talking about a border
• 1:55:32
  that's many, many, many times longer. You're
• 1:55:34
  talking about a massive border. We have far less
• 1:55:36
  problem with that border than we do with our
• 1:55:38
  southern border. And tremendous amounts, you
• 1:55:41
  know, I won, I had the privilege of winning by
• 1:55:43
  a landslide, by the way, New Hampshire. You go
• 1:55:45
  to New Hampshire, the first thing they talk about
• 1:55:48
  is heroin. and drugs pouring in. And you wouldn't
• 1:55:51
  think this beautiful place is beautiful with
• 1:55:53
  the trees and the roads and the countryside.
• 1:55:55
  Their biggest problem is heroin. And it's such
• 1:55:59
  a shame to see it. They're pouring in from the
• 1:56:02
  southern border. So I'm talking about great security.
• 1:56:04
  I'm talking a wall that can absolutely be built.
• 1:56:07
  And I'll build it on time, on budget. It'll be
• 1:56:09
  a very high wall, a great wall. It's going to
• 1:56:11
  be built. It's going to be paid for by Canada,
• 1:56:13
  by the way. It's going to be paid for. Maybe
• 1:56:15
  I'll get Canada paid. It's going to be paid for
• 1:56:16
  by Mexico. The problem with Canada, You're talking
• 1:56:20
  about a massively long piece. You're talking
• 1:56:22
  about a border that would be about four times
• 1:56:26
  longer. It would be very, very hard to do, and
• 1:56:29
  it is not our biggest problem. I don't care what
• 1:56:31
  anyone says. It is not our big problem. Our problem
• 1:56:35
  is not only people coming in, and in many cases
• 1:56:37
  the wrong people, it's the tremendous amount
• 1:56:40
  of drugs that are coming in. I want to talk to
• 1:56:46
  you, Senator Rubio, about Puerto Rico. As you
• 1:56:50
  know... Puerto Rico is in the midst of financial
• 1:56:52
  collapse, unable to pay its debt of $72 billion.
• 1:56:56
  Puerto Rico is asking for bankruptcy protection,
• 1:57:00
  which will give Puerto Rico and Puerto Ricans,
• 1:57:02
  which are US citizens, you know that, the tools
• 1:57:06
  to restructure the debt that is the same debt
• 1:57:09
  other 50 states have. You oppose granting Puerto
• 1:57:13
  Rico that bankruptcy protection. You say that
• 1:57:16
  it is only... last resort measure, but the government
• 1:57:21
  of Puerto Rico has said that bankruptcy is its
• 1:57:24
  last resort, that that's where they are now.
• 1:57:27
  How do you explain this very strong stance to
• 1:57:30
  the hundreds of thousands of Puerto Ricans that
• 1:57:32
  vote across the U .S., and particularly in your
• 1:57:34
  state of Florida? Sure, because bankruptcy doesn't
• 1:57:37
  work unless you change the way you're operating
• 1:57:39
  or you're going to be bankrupt again. And the
• 1:57:41
  problem with Puerto Rico is its economy is not
• 1:57:42
  growing. It has a massive exodus of professionals
• 1:57:45
  and others that are leaving to my home state
• 1:57:47
  of Florida and all over the country. They're
• 1:57:48
  coming to the mainland from Puerto Rico. Because
• 1:57:51
  the economy there is not growing. It's too expensive
• 1:57:52
  to do business here. The tax rate is too high.
• 1:57:55
  The government regulations are too extensive.
• 1:57:58
  This year alone, with all the problems they're
• 1:58:00
  having, they barely cut their budget from one
• 1:58:02
  year to the next. So I think the leadership on
• 1:58:04
  the island has to show their willingness to get
• 1:58:06
  their house in order and put in place measures
• 1:58:08
  that allow the economy there to grow again. If
• 1:58:10
  the economy in Puerto Rico does not grow, they
• 1:58:12
  will never generate the revenue to pay this debt
• 1:58:14
  or the billions of dollars in unfunded liabilities
• 1:58:17
  that they have on their books. of promises they've
• 1:58:19
  made to future generations to make payments.
• 1:58:21
  So yes, if they do all of those things, then
• 1:58:24
  we can explore the use of bankruptcy protection,
• 1:58:26
  but not as the first resort, which is what they're
• 1:58:28
  asking for, because it will not solve the problems
• 1:58:31
  on the island, and you're going to continue to
• 1:58:33
  see hundreds of thousands of people leave that
• 1:58:34
  beautiful place and coming to the mainland. They're
• 1:58:37
  United States citizens. They're obviously entitled
• 1:58:39
  to do so, and we welcome them, but we would also
• 1:58:41
  prefer to see a Puerto Rico that once again is
• 1:58:43
  growing economically and is robust, and the leaders
• 1:58:46
  in charge there now are doing a terrible job.
• 1:58:48
  their previous governor, Luis Fortunio, was doing
• 1:58:50
  a great job until he barely lost that election
• 1:58:53
  to someone who has taken him in a big government
• 1:58:55
  direction once again. Senator, thank you very
• 1:58:56
  much. I want our viewers to stay with us right
• 1:58:59
  now. There's still more to come, including the
• 1:59:01
  last pitch in the final debate before Super Tuesday.
• 1:59:14
  Welcome back to the University of Houston. It's
• 1:59:17
  time now for closing statements. All of you will
• 1:59:19
  have 30 seconds. Dr. Carson, we'll start with
• 1:59:22
  you. Well, first of all, I want people to think
• 1:59:25
  about what kind of leader do you want and what
• 1:59:27
  kind of person do you want your kids to emulate?
• 1:59:29
  Think about that. Secondly, several years ago,
• 1:59:33
  a movie was made about these hands. These hands,
• 1:59:38
  by the grace of God, have saved many lives and
• 1:59:41
  healed many families. And I'm asking you tonight,
• 1:59:44
  America, to join hands with me to heal, inspire,
• 1:59:51
  and revive America. If not us, who? And if not
• 1:59:55
  now, when? Governor Kasich. Well, the last USA
• 2:00:04
  Today poll had me beating Hillary Clinton by
• 2:00:07
  11 points, more than anybody on this stage. Secondly,
• 2:00:10
  I hope you saw tonight that executive experience
• 2:00:12
  really matters. It matters in terms of growing
• 2:00:15
  our economy, balancing budgets, cutting taxes,
• 2:00:18
  reforming regulations. I've done it in Washington.
• 2:00:20
  I've done it in Ohio. And I can go back to Washington
• 2:00:23
  and do it again. But I hope you also notice tonight.
• 2:00:26
  that I do have the foreign policy experience,
• 2:00:28
  not just a few years, but a lot of years, and
• 2:00:31
  working with some of the great, great minds in
• 2:00:33
  this country to develop the expertise, the confidence,
• 2:00:36
  the firmness, the toughness, and the ability
• 2:00:39
  to bring people together. I hope you all think
• 2:00:41
  about giving me your vote. I would appreciate
• 2:00:43
  it very much, and I tell you, we won't have to
• 2:00:46
  spend time figuring out what we're going to do.
• 2:00:48
  I will hit the ground running, and we will get
• 2:00:50
  America moving again. Thank you all very much.
• 2:00:56
  Senator Rubio. Well, thank you for having us
• 2:00:59
  tonight. You know, this campaign has come a long
• 2:01:01
  way. It was just a few months ago there were
• 2:01:03
  15 or 11 of us on the stage, and now it's narrowed
• 2:01:05
  and the votes are starting to count. And we have
• 2:01:07
  an incredible decision to make, not just about
• 2:01:10
  the direction of America, but the identity of
• 2:01:12
  our party and of the conservative movement. The
• 2:01:14
  time for games is over. I know you've had a lot
• 2:01:17
  of choices to make, but now it's time to narrow
• 2:01:19
  it down, and I'm asking you to get behind me.
• 2:01:21
  Go on my website and join our effort, MarcoRubio
• 2:01:24
  .com, so we can bring an end to this silliness,
• 2:01:26
  this looniness, and once again re -embrace all
• 2:01:29
  the things that made America and the Republican
• 2:01:31
  Party the bearer of the conservative movement
• 2:01:33
  in this country. Senator Cruz. Washington deals
• 2:01:43
  are bankrupting this country. There are several
• 2:01:45
  dealmakers on this stage, but there's only one
• 2:01:47
  person who has consistently stood up to both
• 2:01:50
  parties fighting for the American people against
• 2:01:52
  the Washington deals. If I'm elected president
• 2:01:54
  on the first day in office, I will rescind every
• 2:01:57
  single illegal and unconstitutional executive
• 2:02:00
  action. I will instruct the Department of Justice
• 2:02:02
  to open an investigation into Planned Parenthood
• 2:02:05
  and prosecute any criminal violations. I will
• 2:02:08
  instruct every federal agency that the persecution
• 2:02:11
  of religious liberty ends today. I will rip to
• 2:02:14
  shreds the catastrophic Iranian nuclear deal,
• 2:02:18
  and I will begin the process of moving the American
• 2:02:20
  embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. We will repeal
• 2:02:23
  Obamacare, abolish the IRS, secure the border,
• 2:02:26
  and bring back jobs. Mr. Trump. Thank you. Nobody
• 2:02:37
  knows politicians better than I do. They're all
• 2:02:41
  talk. They're no action. Nothing gets done. I've
• 2:02:44
  watched it for years. Take a look at what's happening
• 2:02:47
  to our country. All of the things that I've been
• 2:02:50
  talking about, whether it's trade, whether it's
• 2:02:52
  building up our depleted military, whether it's
• 2:02:55
  taking care of our vets, whether it's getting
• 2:02:57
  rid of Common Core, which is a disaster, or knocking
• 2:03:01
  out Obamacare and coming up with something so
• 2:03:03
  much better. I will get it done. Politicians
• 2:03:06
  will never, ever get it done, and we will make
• 2:03:09
  America great again. Thank you. Mr. Trump, thank
• 2:03:16
  you, and thanks to each of the candidates on
• 2:03:19
  behalf of everyone here at CNN and the Telemundo.
• 2:03:22
  We also want to thank the Republican National
• 2:03:24
  Committee and the University of Houston. My thanks
• 2:03:27
  also to Hugh Hewitt, Maria Celeste, and Dana
• 2:03:29
  Bash. Super Tuesday is only five days away. Right
• 2:03:34
  now, Anderson Cooper picks up our special coverage.
• 2:03:37
  Anderson.