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MOM SUZANNE SHOT WITH RHINO, ELEPHANT TRANQ HUBBY “SNEAKS” INTO MEMORIAL · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace breaking news tonight. Missing mom
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Speaker 1: Suzanne's remains found miles away from home, but the killer
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Speaker 1: thought that would never happen. Suzanne found shot full of
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Speaker 1: animal trank to bring down rhinos. You heard me right,
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Speaker 1: strong enough to bring down rhinos, an elephant, a giraffe,
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Speaker 1: a bear shot into the body of one hundred and
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Speaker 1: twenty pounds woman. This as Suzanne's hubby reportedly sneaks into
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Speaker 1: her invite only memorial. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Oh Suzanne, if anyone is out there you can hear
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Speaker 2: this that has you. Please, We'll do whatever it takes
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Speaker 2: to bring you back. We love you when you miss you.
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Speaker 1: Your girl's eView, No questions asked, however much they want.
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Speaker 2: I will do whatever it takes to get you back
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Speaker 2: from me. I love you and I'll.
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Speaker 3: Let you back.
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Speaker 1: So Bay, really, will you really do everything it takes
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Speaker 1: to bring her home? Well, how come you didn't tell
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Speaker 1: police that her number one favorite sweatshirt was missing? And
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Speaker 1: that's what your wife was probably wearing when she disappeared.
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Speaker 1: Aka WI was the Murder Guys with Me an all
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Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of what we know right now.
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Speaker 1: We know that Suzanne shot full and I mean full
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Speaker 1: of animal trank. Trank I have now learned, thanks to
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Speaker 1: my friend, the zoologist Grace Stafford, is strong enough to
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Speaker 1: bring down a rhinocerous. Okay, but let me just set
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Speaker 1: the table before I go to doctor Gray Stafford. Joining
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Speaker 1: me also is renowned forensic professor Joseph Scott Morgan, author
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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet and host of a wildly
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Speaker 1: popular podcast, Bodybags That Joe Scott Morgan Joe Scott for
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Speaker 1: Gray's understanding, he deals with animals that don't typically murder
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Speaker 1: each other. Could you explain how we know Suzanne is
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Speaker 1: shot with so much animal TRNK that was still in
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Speaker 1: her system years later.
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Speaker 4: This is the fascinating part about this case and that
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Speaker 4: very abbreviated autopsy report that we had Nancy, and that
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Speaker 4: is this concentration of BAM. This animal TRNK was actually
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Speaker 4: located in the head of her femur, which is a
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Speaker 4: long bone in our leg, at the top where it
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Speaker 4: joins in to.
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Speaker 1: The hip socket.
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Speaker 4: They actually cut the top of that off of these
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Speaker 4: skeletal remains, and they were able to render it down
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Speaker 4: to the point where they could extract this chemical compound
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Speaker 4: contained therein. That was probably for me, one of the
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Speaker 4: Biggas reveals. But the problem is is that right now
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Speaker 4: we only have a qualitative suggestion that it is there.
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Speaker 4: We know nothing about the quantitative level.
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Speaker 1: Well, I know this, Joe Scott Morgan. I know that
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Speaker 1: as when you shoot a rhino, a rhinoceros. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to go to Gray on this, you know, Gray Stafford.
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Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer, all right. Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: he's a death investigator. Joining me right now is a
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Speaker 1: renowned expert in his field. Great Stafford, host of podcasts
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Speaker 1: Zoo Logic, Wildlife Expert, Animal Trainer. He's a zoologist. He's
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Speaker 1: written a book, Zuomility Keeper, Tales of Training with Positive Reinforcement.
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Speaker 1: Grace Stafford. I'm very confused about why a sedative, a
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Speaker 1: tranquilizer powerful enough to literally bring down an elephant or
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Speaker 1: a charging rhinoceros or a bear, would be used on
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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty pound woman who was just recovering
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Speaker 1: from cancer. The reason I believe she was shot with
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Speaker 1: a tankful of this stuff is because, just like with animals,
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Speaker 1: it wears off and a pretty short period of time,
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Speaker 1: so it wears off and dissipates out of the system.
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Speaker 1: She had so much in her system they had to
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Speaker 1: cut off saw and half the top of her leg
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Speaker 1: bone to get out DNA, and that is where they
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Speaker 1: found the TRNK. What is b brother M mother A alpha?
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Speaker 1: What is it?
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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, it's a three drug cocktail. There are a
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Speaker 5: lot of different sedatives and tranquilidders that veterinarians and wildlife
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Speaker 5: managers use, but some of them are more safe than others,
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Speaker 5: Some are more effective than others, some are quicker acting
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Speaker 5: than others in some work in certain species and don't
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Speaker 5: work in other species. All that well, So BAM is
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Speaker 5: a safer opioid, but it is an opioid and it
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Speaker 5: can cause all sorts of side effects that can be
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Speaker 5: dangerous in the hands of someone who doesn't know what
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Speaker 5: they're doing.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me just ask you a couple of street
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Speaker 1: vernacular questions, doctor Gray, Stafford Gray, isn't true. Civilians aren't
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Speaker 1: supposed to have BAM. And here is my attempt at
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Speaker 1: pronouncing beutrophenol, metadamidine, metadamidine and a zaprn. Regular people are
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Speaker 1: not supposed to be walking with this in their dart gun.
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Speaker 5: You're absolutely right. These are controlled substances, and they are
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Speaker 5: opioid derivatives or analogs or synthetics. And we know what
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Speaker 5: happens with opioids, right, We've got a pend a crisis
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Speaker 5: with fetanol and so forth. So yes, these don't belong
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Speaker 5: in the hands of lay people like you and me.
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Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. I'm not going to take
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Speaker 1: the trends for a walk down Fifth Avenue or B
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Speaker 1: Street Street. If somebody can walk by with a TRNK
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Speaker 1: gun over their shoulder full of BAM, B brother A
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Speaker 1: Alpha M mother, no, I'm not, because it's strong enough
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Speaker 1: to take down literally a wild animal. Imagine a rhino
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Speaker 1: charging straight at you, and that's what Suzanne is shot
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Speaker 1: full of.
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Speaker 6: That's right.
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Speaker 5: And some of these drugs are very potent, so you
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Speaker 5: don't need a lot of volume. I mean you imagine
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Speaker 5: a rhinoceros is two pounds or more. Certain drugs you
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Speaker 5: would need large volumes of sedative to subdue them. But
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Speaker 5: some of these, like BAM, are more concentrated, more potent,
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Speaker 5: so you need less volume, which is important if you're
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Speaker 5: darting an animal. Because you can't sit there with a
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Speaker 5: large plunger and a large volume and hope that you're
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Speaker 5: going to get it all on board.
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Speaker 1: How quickly does it leave an animal, say a rhino system.
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Speaker 6: Well, some of these.
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Speaker 5: Drugs can be reversed, so they can be reversed rather quickly,
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Speaker 5: but if they wear off, it could take minutes to
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Speaker 5: hours or longer.
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Speaker 1: You mean, like with narcan correct.
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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, there are. There are different drugs that can
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Speaker 5: reverse the effects of the individual drugs within this cocktail,
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Speaker 5: and that's often the case when it's applied by a veterinarian.
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Speaker 5: Once we're done treating an animal, we reverse it, but
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Speaker 5: still the animal has some lingering effects for several minutes.
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Speaker 1: I remember something about you, doctor Stafford. When I first
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Speaker 1: met you, we were showing the twins a baby, I
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Speaker 1: mean baby white tiger, just as small as an actual
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Speaker 1: human baby. And at first I wouldn't let the twins
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Speaker 1: get near it because I didn't know what was going
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Speaker 1: to happen. And he said, it's fine, they can get
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Speaker 1: near it, and so we got close to it. And
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Speaker 1: I remember that in that facility there was a trank gun.
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Speaker 1: I looked at it and I recognized it wasn't a
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Speaker 1: regular gun, and I figured out what it was. How
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Speaker 1: do you get your hands on this powerful tranquilizer? How
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Speaker 1: would a civilian get their hands on this kind of trunk.
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Speaker 5: A prescription by a licensed veterinarian or medical doctor in
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Speaker 5: the case of human use, So I'm not exactly sure
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Speaker 5: how an average person would get this through legal means.
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Speaker 5: The guns themselves are harmless, and we keep those in position,
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Speaker 5: but the drugs themselves are under lock and key until needed.
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Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen to this.
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Speaker 7: According to a twenty twenty one affidavit, Barry Morphew admitted
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Speaker 7: to police that he frequently used BAM and other tranquilizers
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Speaker 7: to sedate deer to remove antlers for his hunting business.
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Speaker 7: BAM is the commonly used abbreviation for beutrophenol as zepperone
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Speaker 7: and metadomitting as zepperone is used as a sedative for elephants, rhinos,
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Speaker 7: and giraffes, while medetomitting facilitates a mobilization of large carnivores
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Speaker 7: and great apes. These same three drugs found in the
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Speaker 7: bones of Suzanne Morphew. The autopsy report says Suzanne died
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Speaker 7: by homicide by undetermined means in the setting of beutrophenol
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Speaker 7: as zepperone and medeto midting BAM intoxication.
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Speaker 1: So we know that Harry Morphew admits that he uses BAM,
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Speaker 1: betrophinal a, zapron and meta my dean he has them. Wow,
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Speaker 1: what a co inky dink. He has the very same
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Speaker 1: thing that turns up in Susanne Morphew's system. We are
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Speaker 1: analyzing the autopsy report and bringing in experts to make
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Speaker 1: sense of what we're learning. Wow, that's a coincidence, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: But I'm not asking you to pass judgment or make
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Speaker 1: a legal or evidentiary conclusion, doctor Gray Stafford. But it
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Speaker 1: would be like me walking up to my grandma and saying, hey,
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Speaker 1: can you can you score some myth for me? She
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Speaker 1: would have no idea how to get her hands on
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Speaker 1: a head of myth than the man in the moon.
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Speaker 1: So how just like you, Gray, you're saying, I don't
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Speaker 1: know how a person would get their hands on rhino tranquilizers,
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Speaker 1: but somebody did crime stories with Nancy Grace Guys joining
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Speaker 1: me a renowned expert and author, Doctor Gray Stafford, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to open it up to the rest of our panel,
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Speaker 1: our All Star panel, as we try to decipher what
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Speaker 1: we are learning. It's not just that the husband, Barry Morphew,
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Speaker 1: admitted that he had this very powerful rhino tranquilizer civilians
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Speaker 1: are not supposed to have their hands on. He also admits,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to let Lauren Colin correct me if
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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I want you to take a listen to this, Lauren,
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Speaker 1: that oh, he may have accidentally, on purpose, thrown away
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Speaker 1: the rhino tranquilizer and immediately after his wife goes missing. Listen.
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Speaker 7: A search of Morphuse property turns up empty darts, a
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Speaker 7: dart package, and a dart needle. Morphuse questioned about a
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Speaker 7: dart needle cap found in the laundry room dryer with
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Speaker 7: wash sheets, Morphew says he has no idea how it
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Speaker 7: got there, claiming the last time he used band tranquilizers
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Speaker 7: in April, he shot from a window near the breezeway,
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Speaker 7: the same breezeway near the spot Suzanne with sunbathing the
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Speaker 7: day she died. A one hundred and thirty page arrest
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Speaker 7: affidavit details Morphuse involvement with the same tranquilizers found in
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Speaker 7: Suzanne's body. He admits to frequently handling these drugs and
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Speaker 7: says it makes him look bad. When asked about the
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Speaker 7: tranquilizer cap and the dryer, Morphew admits it looks suspicious.
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Speaker 1: Lauren Conlin is joining me, investigative journalist, host of The
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Speaker 1: Outlier podcast. Lauren, thank you for being with us. Let
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Speaker 1: me understand this. So Suzanne morphus remains, their skeletonized remains.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about that sweatshirt you
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Speaker 1: and Joe Scott morgan skeletal remains are found miles and
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Speaker 1: miles away from the home beat the killer thought that
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Speaker 1: would never happen. And when someone put Barrie's alleged location
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Speaker 1: we're referring to the husband, Barry Morphew. We see where
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Speaker 1: her remains were found, we see their residents miles and
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Speaker 1: miles away, We see where her bike and helmet were
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Speaker 1: found in two separate locations, and we see Morphew's alleged location. Okay,
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Speaker 1: hold it, hold everything. Is this right? That Barry Morphew
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Speaker 1: admits number one, that he uses rhinoceros tranquilizers and that
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Speaker 1: he happened to be using the same tranquilizer that was
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Speaker 1: found in Susanne Morphew's kneecap in her body in her DNA,
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Speaker 1: and he admits in a one hundred and thirty plus
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Speaker 1: page Affidavid that yeah, I threw all away that animal
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Speaker 1: train right after Susanne went missing. Why why to do that?
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Speaker 1: If you need it for your business? Why did you
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Speaker 1: throw it away? I mean, I'm no way throw away
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Speaker 1: this microphone right here or the cell phone right here,
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Speaker 1: because I nade them, I named them to work. So
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Speaker 1: why did he suddenly the day his wife goes missing
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Speaker 1: or honor about throw away all his animal trunk which
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Speaker 1: he's not supposed to have anyway? Explain that, Timmy, Lauren Cotlin.
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Speaker 8: You're exactly right, Nancy, and you you nailed it.
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Speaker 9: I know he is not considered a suspect right now.
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Speaker 8: But the empty trnk right found in the dryer, and
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Speaker 8: then you have the trank gun he threw away which
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Speaker 8: he needs for work, very suspicious.
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Speaker 9: And then the fact that the trunk was actually.
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Speaker 8: Found tangled up in his sheets, in his daughter sheets,
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Speaker 8: who's a weight at college, in the dryer. I mean,
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Speaker 8: I don't know about you, but washing sheets are a
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Speaker 8: big pain in the butt.
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Speaker 9: I don't really wash sheets that I don't have.
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Speaker 8: To, so that in a flag for me, and then
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Speaker 8: something else about so.
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Speaker 9: Watch where she was found.
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Speaker 8: That the bones that were found that were obviously Suzanne's.
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Speaker 9: I mean, this is a very secluded area. This is
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Speaker 9: called the bone yard.
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Speaker 8: So whoever did this, they most likely thought that these
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Speaker 8: remains would never be found.
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Speaker 1: Lauren Colin, You're absolutely correct. Listen.
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Speaker 10: Morphew says he has no idea how the needle cap
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Speaker 10: got in the dryer. He said the last time he
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Speaker 10: used BAM tranquilizers and shot from the window near the
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Speaker 10: breezeway was in late April. Investigators asked more few whether
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Speaker 10: he might have thrown those tranquilizers away in one of
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Speaker 10: his five trash runs he made immediately after his wife disappeared.
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Speaker 10: After hearing, investigators tracked down surveillance video for McDonald's, a
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Speaker 10: bus stop, and a men's warehouse and actually saw morep
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Speaker 10: you throwing items into multiple trash receptacles. Morphew then says
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Speaker 10: he may have thrown some tranquilizer materials away.
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Speaker 1: Why did Barry Morphew, the husband, who is not a suspect,
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Speaker 1: has not been named a person of interest again. He
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Speaker 1: was charged earlier in Suzanne's death and then those charges
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Speaker 1: were dropped. Why is it when your wife goes missing
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Speaker 1: you turned into a neat Nick? He was so hell
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Speaker 1: bent on throwing away the trash he went to five
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Speaker 1: trash cans at McDonald's, a bus stop, at a men's warehouse.
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Speaker 1: Chris mcdunn ad joining me, Director Cold Case Foundation, former
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Speaker 1: homicide detective, and hosts of a YouTube channel, The Interview Room.
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Speaker 1: That's where I found him during the Moscow, Idaho Quadruple
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Speaker 1: Slagh case. Chris mcdona, you think you've seen it all right,
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Speaker 1: Well you haven't. I bet you never had a case
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Speaker 1: with rhinoceros tranquilizer, did you. I didn't till now.
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Speaker 2: No, Nancy, I've never had a case where tranquilizer was utilized,
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Speaker 2: and that is a very creative way of, obviously to
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Speaker 2: incapacitating somebody. And the fact that he had experience with
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Speaker 2: it is just at the top of suspicion.
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Speaker 1: Can I just ask you a question on a personal note,
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Speaker 1: Chris mcdunna, I know you live with your wife aka
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Speaker 1: honey as you call her, but you may have to
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Speaker 1: take the trash out sometimes, you know, when I or
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Speaker 1: my husband take the trash out. We just walk to
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Speaker 1: the end of the driveway where we have the trash
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Speaker 1: cans hidden, and we put we don't go to McDonald's
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Speaker 1: or the bus stop. Oh please, let me see those
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Speaker 1: photos again. There's the bus stop, then there's a McDonald's,
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Speaker 1: then there's a men's warehouse. Oh my goodness. He was
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Speaker 1: certainly a neat neck. Check it out. All the way
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Speaker 1: through this parking lot, he's throwing trashway and then he admits,
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Speaker 1: does he not, that he may have thrown away the
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Speaker 1: animal tranquilizer paraphernalia the very day's wife goes missing.
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Speaker 11: Darn Yeah, go figure right, I mean here, you know,
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Speaker 11: he's got to make five trash runs. I mean how
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Speaker 11: many how many of us, just in normal everyday life
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Speaker 11: do we utilize, you know, five separate trash cans outside
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Speaker 11: of the trash cans that we have in our own garage,
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Speaker 11: potentially at our house. And and the fact that he's
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Speaker 11: thrown away boots, he's throwing away his mail because they
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Speaker 11: found some items in the hotel room and he mentions
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Speaker 11: it during their FBI interviews.
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Speaker 2: This is all very very high, highly suspicious activity and
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Speaker 2: to the point where the FBI went back, and they
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Speaker 2: pulled the video and they confronted her with him.
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Speaker 1: Joining you right now is high profile lawyer from the
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Speaker 1: Tate Law Group joining us out of Savannah. Mark Tate
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Speaker 1: is joining us now. I became familiar with Tate not
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Speaker 1: only because of his trial record, but during the Alex
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Speaker 1: Murdog double murder trial near Savannah. Mark Tate, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. Could you give us in a nutshell?
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Speaker 1: This is not an appellate argument to the Georgia Supreme Court. Nutshell, Okay,
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Speaker 1: ping pong, Not just what exactly is circumstantial evidence?
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Speaker 3: Well, a circumstantial evidence is anything other than direct evidence.
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Speaker 3: And so if you are prying to that someone was
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Speaker 3: hiding something from being discovered by the police, then you
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Speaker 3: can argue that there's proof of that attempt to hide
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Speaker 3: by taking trash cans to multiple locations to get rid
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Speaker 3: of their contents. That would be circumstantial evidence. Direct evidence
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Speaker 3: would be someone's, for example, eyewitness testimony that I saw
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Speaker 3: this guy load his trash bags with tranquilizers and put
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Speaker 3: them directly in the McDonald's trash can. So you know,
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Speaker 3: there's a whole lot of language that's grafted on the
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Speaker 3: notion of circumstantial evidence. But really, everything except direct evidence
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Speaker 3: is circumstantial evidence. It doesn't necessarily mean it's weaker, it
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Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily mean it's stronger. It's just something that is
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Speaker 3: evidence from which a jury can draw conclusions, you know,
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Speaker 3: so long as they're reasonable. And it allows a prosecutor
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Speaker 3: to argue in closing argument why there should be a conviction.
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Speaker 3: And it also because of the weakness that is generally
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Speaker 3: perceived in circumstantial evidence, it allows for defense lawyers.
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Speaker 1: To argue, Mark Tate, this is a yes, no lightning
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Speaker 1: around for you. Isn't it true that the black and
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Speaker 1: white letter of the law judges is struck the juries
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Speaker 1: before they go to deliberate, And one of those instructions
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Speaker 1: is circumstantial evidence can be as strong or probative as
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Speaker 1: direct evidence. Circumstantial evidence that's nothing to sneeze at. Everything
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Speaker 1: that's direct is either an eyewitness and by the way,
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Speaker 1: your example was circumstantial. Just because you see the husband
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Speaker 1: throwing away an animal tranquilizer and there's animal tranquilizer in
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Speaker 1: her body, that doesn't mean he killed her. It's circumstantial evidence.
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Speaker 1: Direct evidence would be an eyewitness to the crime. The
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Speaker 1: murder or DNA or maybe a fingerprint. All of that
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Speaker 1: would be direct evidence. But can I just throw a
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Speaker 1: hypothetical at you, Mark Tate, You deal with this every
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Speaker 1: single day in court where you earn all that money,
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Speaker 1: Mark te Bary Morphy, who is not a suspect in
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Speaker 1: this case. He has not been named to suspect a
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Speaker 1: person of interest this time. He admits to police. I've
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Speaker 1: read a one hundred and thirty page affidavit. He admits
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Speaker 1: he has bam amb torphenol, a zappron and meta demiding metademiding,
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Speaker 1: which is a rhinocerous tranquilizer. Civilians aren't supposed to have it.
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Speaker 1: He admits he has it. He admits he shot the
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Speaker 1: animal dark tranquilizer gun in the breezeway. We know that
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Speaker 1: Suzanne was sunbathing in that breezeway the day she went missing,
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Speaker 1: and we know that he admitted that he threw it
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Speaker 1: all away and that was on the day she went missing.
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Speaker 1: Would you call that circumstantial evidence because I would.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's circumstantial, Leven. It's very powerful evidence. Though
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Speaker 3: it links this man with all of the things that
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Speaker 3: were used apparently that were found on the remains that
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Speaker 3: had the hoodie that this young lady was wearing when
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Speaker 3: she was cooking dinner with her mother, you know, a
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Speaker 3: few months before she was dead or was killed or
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Speaker 3: went missing at that time. So this is really difficult
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Speaker 3: evidence I think for a lawyer to overcome for the defendant. However,
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Speaker 3: this guy does have apparently resources, and he has a
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Speaker 3: lot of money, and so that means he has the
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Speaker 3: ability to retain lawyers, retain experts, and really put the
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Speaker 3: state through everything they possibly can to prove guilt beyond
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Speaker 3: a reasonable doubt. And so it's not going to be
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Speaker 3: an unchallenging task for a prosecutor. There's no such thing
21:50
Speaker 3: as a slam duck case. And if a defendant has resources,
21:53
Speaker 3: they can mount a serious defense that will make the
21:56
Speaker 3: state mount equally as serious as a prosecution. And remember,
22:01
Speaker 3: he knows enough now not to talk to the police,
22:04
Speaker 3: and police love it when suspects talk because they know
22:08
Speaker 3: how to get them to confess, even when they're not
22:10
Speaker 3: necessarily confessing.
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Speaker 6: Suzanne that maybe SEUs you get that up to the
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Speaker 6: road and then take.
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Speaker 9: The ceial over or call.
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Speaker 11: The husband, see what kind of bikes he had.
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Speaker 5: Slightly checking on it, can you try to call the
22:47
Speaker 5: husband and see that type of bights she has.
22:50
Speaker 1: Am I supposed to believe that Suzanne was riding her
22:53
Speaker 1: bike along that stretch of highway. I was there and
22:57
Speaker 1: it was so cold and the snow. We were looking
23:00
Speaker 1: at that spot, and I supposed to believe that she
23:04
Speaker 1: was riding along on her bike. Somebody shot her with
23:06
Speaker 1: rhinoceros tranquilizer and she fell off. Then that person moved
23:14
Speaker 1: her helmet miles away, and then her body's found miles
23:18
Speaker 1: away from there. Wow, that looks staged. That looks stage,
23:22
Speaker 1: the way that bike is placed there. That's for a
23:25
Speaker 1: jury who would stage as scene. Let me remind everybody,
23:29
Speaker 1: Barry Morphew, the husband, has not been named a suspect
23:32
Speaker 1: or a person of interest. Just recently, after digging and
23:37
Speaker 1: digging and digging through social media, we find posted on
23:43
Speaker 1: Insta a shot of Suzanne Morpheu, the missing mom, and
23:47
Speaker 1: she is wearing a gray Crista Butte hoodie that we
23:52
Speaker 1: believe she was wearing at the time she was murdered
23:56
Speaker 1: or she was placed in it. This photo is Suzanne
24:00
Speaker 1: cooking breakfast with her mother in law. Surely in Suzanne's
24:06
Speaker 1: slide up Colorado home in twenty eighteen. Tisha Leeway is
24:13
Speaker 1: with me, very dear friend of Suzanne Morpheus, And I've
24:18
Speaker 1: asked you in the past about how she would appear
24:22
Speaker 1: when she came into your salon, and you always said, oh,
24:25
Speaker 1: she would never wear like, you know, flip flops and
24:28
Speaker 1: a sweatshirt, that she was always dressed up. Is that true?
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Speaker 9: Yes?
24:34
Speaker 1: So you never saw her in this sweatshirt, did you?
24:38
Speaker 12: No?
24:38
Speaker 1: I didn't, Tisha Leeway. Let me ask you. Do you
24:40
Speaker 1: have certain things you wear around the house that you
24:42
Speaker 1: wouldn't be caught dead in at the grocery store? Yeah?
24:46
Speaker 1: I do. I remember one night my son John David
24:49
Speaker 1: had to asking a girl to Hoko homecoming and their
24:54
Speaker 1: school they give the girl a poster in candies. We
24:57
Speaker 1: had to go to Kroger at like midnight. I had
25:00
Speaker 1: on my pajamas. I wore three pair of sunglasses the
25:03
Speaker 1: whole time. Okay, that said Suzanne would never have gone
25:08
Speaker 1: out in public in that sweatshirt. Would she know? Suzanne
25:11
Speaker 1: didn't wear this out? And about what does that prove?
25:18
Speaker 1: Just like you to she Lee Waite may not go
25:21
Speaker 1: out in your pjs, she wouldn't go out and that
25:25
Speaker 1: yet her body was found wearing that. Why? Why? Because
25:31
Speaker 1: I would argue to a jury she was still home exactly,
25:35
Speaker 1: that she was still home. And that's not all I
25:40
Speaker 1: happen to know. This is one of her favorite sweatshirts.
25:43
Speaker 1: What does this tell me? I'm going to go straight
25:47
Speaker 1: out to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University
25:51
Speaker 1: and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon Star
25:55
Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, you have
25:59
Speaker 1: investigated well over one thousand death investigations. This is a
26:04
Speaker 1: shirt she only woren't home that we know of. This
26:08
Speaker 1: is a shirt that her body was found in. And
26:13
Speaker 1: my husband, my boy, and girl would know if my
26:19
Speaker 1: Fulton County Fire Department sweatshirt was gone. They would know.
26:25
Speaker 1: I've had to call hotels across this country looking for
26:28
Speaker 1: that sweatshirt. They would know if it was gone. But
26:31
Speaker 1: I don't recall Barry Moore for you ever telling anybody
26:35
Speaker 1: these clothes were missing.
26:37
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a signature of home, isn't it. You know
26:39
Speaker 4: it's something that you have there. Kim my wife, she's
26:41
Speaker 4: got a jack State sweatshirt that she exclusively wears. Wears
26:46
Speaker 4: at home, and woe into me if I ever put
26:48
Speaker 4: my hands on it, because it's like a blanket for her.
26:51
Speaker 4: You know that she enjoys it's soft, it's familiar. But no,
26:55
Speaker 4: she's not going to go wear it to the grocery
26:57
Speaker 4: store or wherever. And that goes to the intimacy of
27:01
Speaker 4: the environment that you're in. You know, if you're going
27:03
Speaker 4: out to go for a ride or this sort of thing,
27:05
Speaker 4: you're going to leave the house, You're probably not going
27:07
Speaker 4: to go in your favorite sweatshirt, particularly in the temperatures there.
27:11
Speaker 4: You're going to want something that's more layered. Perhaps that
27:15
Speaker 4: is meant for working out in this is meant for comfort,
27:18
Speaker 4: for lounging. But you know, Nancy, here's the interesting thing.
27:22
Speaker 4: That sweatshirt can really tell a tale about what happened,
27:27
Speaker 4: perhaps in the moments leading up to her death. Now
27:31
Speaker 4: you have to factor in the sweatshirt is going to
27:33
Speaker 4: be greatly degraded because of the location that was found
27:36
Speaker 4: in those circumstances, But there could potentially be evidence on
27:41
Speaker 4: that sweatshirt any kind of hole or as we refer
27:43
Speaker 4: to it as a defect, perhaps in that sweatshirt where
27:47
Speaker 4: it's something other than the natural decomposition of that sweatshirt
27:51
Speaker 4: could be telling a tale that's going to be interesting
27:55
Speaker 4: for the criminalists back at the crime lab to do
27:57
Speaker 4: their assessment on. We don't have that report yet.
28:06
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Back to Tisha Leeway, a
28:15
Speaker 1: very dear friend of Suzanne Morphew. Tish, you have been
28:21
Speaker 1: very open about your feelings regarding this case. Were you
28:24
Speaker 1: invited to the memorial? No?
28:26
Speaker 12: I have never even been talked to by Barry or
28:30
Speaker 12: the girls.
28:30
Speaker 1: Repeat, Very Morphew is not a suspect in the case, Tisha,
28:37
Speaker 1: who was there? Barry Morphew's family was. Were Suzanne's family invited?
28:43
Speaker 1: Did they come?
28:44
Speaker 12: I don't believe they were even invited to join them? Why,
28:49
Speaker 12: which is to me is sad because it's not about
28:52
Speaker 12: anybody else but Suzanne. So, I mean, we're having ours
28:56
Speaker 12: this Saturday, and you know everybody's invited. Last year I
29:01
Speaker 12: did reach out to Barry's attorney and invite them to
29:04
Speaker 12: our last year's, but this year I just didn't because
29:07
Speaker 12: every time I do invite them, they decline.
29:11
Speaker 1: So why this is news to me? Tisha Leeway, a
29:15
Speaker 1: very dear friend of Susanne Morphew. Are you telling me
29:18
Speaker 1: you invited the husband, Barry Moorephew to multiple memorials or
29:24
Speaker 1: rallies and he never came. Yeah.
29:26
Speaker 12: I did invite through his attorney last year and I
29:31
Speaker 12: got back that they are declining.
29:34
Speaker 1: Do they say why? No, Well, why do you have
29:36
Speaker 1: to go through a lawyer to invite a man to
29:38
Speaker 1: his wife's memorial service?
29:40
Speaker 11: Yeah?
29:41
Speaker 12: Exactly, That's what I'm thinking. But I did it that
29:44
Speaker 12: way just to protect myself, I guess why, just to
29:47
Speaker 12: protect myself.
29:48
Speaker 1: Because I don't want to be on that on that lawsuit.
29:52
Speaker 1: You know, I hear you. I hear you on that,
29:55
Speaker 1: which reminds me Barry Moore, for you has not been
29:58
Speaker 1: named a suspect, a personer just in this case. So
30:01
Speaker 1: you were not invited. Suzanne Morphew's family was not invited.
30:06
Speaker 1: Can I ask you something, Tisha, When you think about
30:11
Speaker 1: Suzanne's body decomposing out in that boneyard as they call it,
30:19
Speaker 1: her in her little lounge shirt, what goes through your mind?
30:23
Speaker 9: Horrible? I mean, this whole thing is a it's horrible.
30:26
Speaker 12: Like obviously we know she was shot with tranquilizer, right,
30:30
Speaker 12: Like that's a horrible death right in there.
30:34
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not just tranquilizer, Tish, it's rhino elephant
30:41
Speaker 1: bear tranquilizer.
30:43
Speaker 12: She was what one hundred and ten pounds, probably soaked, wet,
30:46
Speaker 12: like not even close to what a rhino and it
30:50
Speaker 12: knocks down a rhino.
30:51
Speaker 1: Can you imagine what it did to her, Joe Scott
30:53
Speaker 1: Morgan can think about it. This woman, I think was
30:57
Speaker 1: around one hundred and twenty pounds shot full of rhino
31:00
Speaker 1: rank and even more poignant, she was still wearing her
31:05
Speaker 1: leukemia her cancer port.
31:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's recovered at the scene. Nancy, this is fascinating,
31:10
Speaker 4: you know, it's fascinating as the contents of that bone are.
31:14
Speaker 4: We have yet to hear anything about this port other
31:17
Speaker 4: than it was found. This is a plastic port that's
31:19
Speaker 4: in dwelling beneath the skin. And look, when we go
31:23
Speaker 4: to the doctor, we get three types of shots. You
31:26
Speaker 4: either get a SubQ fat shot think diabetic shot, an
31:29
Speaker 4: IM which goes directly into the muscle, or an IV
31:33
Speaker 4: which goes into the venus system. If this thing is
31:37
Speaker 4: plugged into the venus system. When we begin to think
31:39
Speaker 4: about this, this is a quick acting delivery. Who would know?
31:43
Speaker 4: Who would know? What intimates in her circle would know
31:46
Speaker 4: that she has this port available. And you know, people
31:49
Speaker 4: keep talking about this dark that's flying through the air
31:52
Speaker 4: presumably and lands in the body. Okay, that's an im
31:56
Speaker 4: shot that goes into the muscle, but what what would happen?
32:01
Speaker 4: Just think about this, if you had through a struggle,
32:04
Speaker 4: you had access to that port and you could jam
32:07
Speaker 4: one of these darts into it or a syringe. That
32:10
Speaker 4: is a direct delivery that even works quicker than say,
32:14
Speaker 4: for instance, being shot with a tranqueiser dart. Here's where
32:18
Speaker 4: the tale is going to be told. The medical examiner
32:20
Speaker 4: would have seen that thing, but guess who still has it.
32:23
Speaker 4: The State Crime Lab has it. They will take that
32:26
Speaker 4: thing apart, and what they're going to do is they're
32:28
Speaker 4: going to look within that port. It's a plastic port,
32:31
Speaker 4: so it's kind of protected, and see what residual chemicals
32:35
Speaker 4: might be in that thing. That might be a big
32:37
Speaker 4: piece of evidence here.
32:38
Speaker 10: Nancy Suzanne Morphew and her husband Barry Morphew moved to
32:42
Speaker 10: Colorado from their hometown of Alexandria, Indiana, two years before
32:45
Speaker 10: she vanished. But now Morphew has left Colorado to move
32:48
Speaker 10: back to Indiana, where, according to reports, Morphew is living
32:52
Speaker 10: with Shashawana Dark, who also lived near Suzanne and was
32:55
Speaker 10: allegedly spotted leaving a hotel with Barry Morphew on Valentine's
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Speaker 10: Day twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 1: What a girlfriend leaving a hotel in twenty twenty one
33:06
Speaker 1: on Valentine's Day. There's nothing good about that. Let me
33:10
Speaker 1: go to Lauren Colin, joining US Investigative journalism and host
33:13
Speaker 1: of the Outlier podcast and of corruption. What happened to
33:17
Speaker 1: Grant Solomon? Lauren, thanks for being with us. Can I
33:20
Speaker 1: just ask you very quickly? Why is it being reported
33:24
Speaker 1: that Barry Morphy sneaked into the memorial? Why is that
33:28
Speaker 1: being said?
33:29
Speaker 8: Well, in my opinion and all of the threads here
33:32
Speaker 8: saying that he wants to keep a low profile. He
33:35
Speaker 8: did not speak at that celebration of life for a reason.
33:38
Speaker 9: He showed up with his daughters, it was his.
33:40
Speaker 8: Family, and it was one of Suzanne's.
33:43
Speaker 9: Friends and a pastor that spoke.
33:45
Speaker 8: So yeah, in my opinion, he just wanted to sneak in,
33:49
Speaker 8: sneak out.
33:49
Speaker 9: And call it a day and not be a spectacle.
33:51
Speaker 1: Now, what is this I'm hearing about? Shoshana Dark.
33:56
Speaker 9: Who is that?
33:57
Speaker 1: Is that a girlfriend? I knew that there was a
34:00
Speaker 1: ruck us about her going to the Morphew home and
34:02
Speaker 1: taking a package. It was caught on somebody surveillance video
34:06
Speaker 1: and she landed in a whole bunch of trouble for that.
34:08
Speaker 1: But apparently she was house sitting. Well, I don't care
34:12
Speaker 1: about the package. I'm curious about the title of girlfriend.
34:17
Speaker 1: Who is this person?
34:18
Speaker 8: Yeah, so, as far as I know, she is a housekeeper.
34:21
Speaker 8: And Barry and Shoshana denied being together and having a relationship,
34:27
Speaker 8: but again, it was reported that they were seen leaving
34:30
Speaker 8: a hotel on Valentine's Day in twenty twenty one, and
34:35
Speaker 8: that obviously is very suspicious.
34:37
Speaker 9: When Barry is on Earth is under so much scrutiny.
34:40
Speaker 8: I'm just not sure why they wouldn't come out and
34:43
Speaker 8: just be honest.
34:44
Speaker 9: Here.
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Speaker 1: Morphy was seen with the alleged girlfriend, Shoshannah Dark, during
34:50
Speaker 1: a trip to a storage unit in Salida, Colorado. So
34:56
Speaker 1: was that incapacity as a girlfriend or a housekeeper? Don't know,
35:00
Speaker 1: But I don't know what your housekeeper's doing with you
35:02
Speaker 1: at a hotel on Valentine's Day? You know again, Mark
35:06
Speaker 1: Taite I guess that's what you would call circumstantial evidence.
35:09
Speaker 3: Well, that would be circumstantial evidence. And again, these are
35:12
Speaker 3: all things. And you talked a little bit about the
35:15
Speaker 3: Murdock trial, and obviously this has some things that are similar,
35:20
Speaker 3: but one glaring difference, and that is I would say
35:23
Speaker 3: that in this instance, the fellow you know who allegedly
35:29
Speaker 3: killed his wife, at least in the last case, that's
35:31
Speaker 3: been dismissed, and he's not a suspect now at least
35:35
Speaker 3: he's being quiet. He doesn't owe anyone an explanation about
35:38
Speaker 3: why he went to his wife's funeral. This idea that
35:41
Speaker 3: he sneaked in is something that we have and grafted
35:43
Speaker 3: upon the circumstances and the story that we're seeing. He
35:46
Speaker 3: doesn't know an explanation for that. He's not speaking to
35:49
Speaker 3: the police. The whole issue about was that bicycle dumped.
35:53
Speaker 3: The only way you're ever going to know that is
35:55
Speaker 3: if the officers who are investigating this case get more
35:58
Speaker 3: few to essentially say that he did it. And he's
36:01
Speaker 3: not talking to them. And when you don't talk to
36:04
Speaker 3: the police. And I know you don't like me saying this, Nancy,
36:06
Speaker 3: but I know you agree because prosecuting these cases where
36:09
Speaker 3: the defendant doesn't talk are multiple harder than it is, say,
36:14
Speaker 3: prosecuting the Murdoch who wouldn't shut up talking. So it
36:20
Speaker 3: is a good valuable example to people who want to
36:22
Speaker 3: watch how to defend cases. And it's interesting to watch
36:25
Speaker 3: how he acts while he is not a suspect. I
36:28
Speaker 3: think the girlfriend, pardon me, I think the housekeeper at
36:31
Speaker 3: a hotel room on Valentine's Day is damning circumstantial evidence,
36:36
Speaker 3: but it's not a murder, and so there would have
36:39
Speaker 3: to be some bridge built. I believe between having your
36:42
Speaker 3: housekeeper at a hotel on Valentine's Day and perhaps that
36:46
Speaker 3: provides some incentive to do someone harm or to have
36:49
Speaker 3: harm done to them, depending upon you who's sneaking with
36:53
Speaker 3: who I like.
36:54
Speaker 1: That, depending on who is sneaking with A Hey, you're right,
36:57
Speaker 1: Mark Tita. I don't know that he's snuck in to
37:00
Speaker 1: the memorial. I know that he didn't speak, and that
37:02
Speaker 1: the majority of the people there were his friends and family,
37:07
Speaker 1: or so I've been told. Believe me, I was not invited.
37:10
Speaker 1: That said. Does that make him mkiller? No, it does not.
37:14
Speaker 1: But he's got a lot of explaining to do. About
37:17
Speaker 1: all of that rhino TRNK found in her body, that
37:22
Speaker 1: he suddenly went on a cleaning tear and threw out
37:24
Speaker 1: at five public dumps trash cans and was caught on camera.
37:29
Speaker 1: There's a lot of explaining and letting me reiterate. That's
37:32
Speaker 1: why I've got Mark Tate on with me today to
37:34
Speaker 1: take a different side. Barry Morphew has not been charged
37:39
Speaker 1: in the murder of Suzanne Morphew. Again, he was charged
37:44
Speaker 1: and it was dropped. We wait as justice unfolds. Let's
37:50
Speaker 1: stop and remember American hero Deputy US Marshal Thomas Weeks, Charlotte,
37:56
Speaker 1: North Carolina, US Marshal Weeks, Gundawn, three others trying to
38:02
Speaker 1: serve an a rest warrant. He leaves behind a grieving wife, Kelly,
38:08
Speaker 1: and four beautiful children, Patrick, Abby, Mackenzie and Brady. American
38:14
Speaker 1: hero Deputy US Marshall Thomas Weeks. Thank you to all
38:21
Speaker 1: of our amazing guests that joined us tonight. Nancy Gray
38:25
Speaker 1: signing off, good night friend,