Latest / Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo / Olivier Melnick: New Day And Age Of Collateral Antisemitism
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- 0:00Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
- 0:10defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
- 0:16And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
- 0:20Welcome, family and Christ.
- 0:21Thank you so much for tuning in.
- 0:24Olivier Melnik is going to be with us today and he's also coming to Green Bay in a
- 0:28couple of weeks.
- 0:29But the good news first, the World View Matters conference is sold out.
- 0:35Well, and there is a little bit more good news.
- 0:37If you bring up the speaking schedule, Jeff, there it is, worldviewmattersconference.com,
- 0:42worldviewmattersconference.com, Olivier is going to be speaking twice.
- 0:47There's the schedule, it's on the website and we have both nights, Q&A panels, like a round
- 0:54table with all the speakers that are available for that night and both Friday night and Saturday.
- 1:00So I'm looking forward to that one.
- 1:01The audience can ask whatever they want to ask the speakers, we're going to limit it
- 1:06to an hour though.
- 1:07So the schedule is up if you want to check that.
- 1:10If you already have tickets, check that.
- 1:12If you don't have tickets and you go, oh no, I wanted to go, well, we are looking into
- 1:17live streaming.
- 1:18So I'll let you know when I know if that's going to happen and how you can connect.
- 1:23But we have a little bit of time to work that out since we sold out before the conference.
- 1:29So ShalomInMassaya.com is the website, ShalomInMassaya.com, Olivier Melonick, welcome back
- 1:38to Brother Good to see you.
- 1:40Hey David, good to be on the show again.
- 1:42I can't wait for the conference.
- 1:44You know, I have never been to Green Bay.
- 1:47Oh my goodness.
- 1:48I know, I know.
- 1:49It's like it's going to be the first many, many first, but you know, I've never been
- 1:52in that area.
- 1:53So I'm looking forward to that.
- 1:54Well, early May, it should be nice.
- 1:57We've been getting pounded with rain.
- 1:59Oh, it's like Seattle's like, what the heck?
- 2:01Where do we live?
- 2:02We're in Wisconsin.
- 2:03Anyway, by that time, hopefully all the rain's done and we'll have some sunshine.
- 2:07But let's start with just saying, hey, I caught you with our brother, Pastor Brad Reeves,
- 2:13coming soon ministries in Maryland.
- 2:14You spoke at a conference there.
- 2:17I caught one of the interviews.
- 2:18I don't know if you did more than one, but I really liked your conversation with him.
- 2:21Just tell us a little bit about that in any of your recent conferences.
- 2:26Well, the, so I, what did we talk about with, with Brad?
- 2:31Did we talk about?
- 2:32Oh, well, part of it was the stickers people were putting on gas pumps.
- 2:35I thought, wow, really?
- 2:37Oh, yeah.
- 2:38Okay.
- 2:39So yeah, thanks for reminding me, I mean, you could have reminded me off the air before
- 2:44we started the show.
- 2:45So I, so I looked and sounded more professional.
- 2:48So you, you exposed my, my lack of knowledge to the masses now.
- 2:53You're busy.
- 2:54You're all over the place, speaking everywhere.
- 2:55How could you possibly keep up with yourself?
- 2:57So yes, the sticker, it's a sticker that came out of Ohio at a gas pump and basically
- 3:02it, it pictures an orthodox Jew and it's the, it's the typical caricature of, of the
- 3:09negative caricature of the Jew with a big, big curly nose, dark, I mean, the big, big
- 3:14nose, crooked nose, curly hair, black hat, the beard, with the, with the, the, the, the
- 3:19mean look and, and it's pointing like this and it's a, it's a, it's a sticker that looks
- 3:26very, very similar to the sticker that popped up during the Biden administration where
- 3:35price of gas was going up and, you know, there was a sticker of Biden pointing and it says,
- 3:40I did this.
- 3:42So now we have this Jewish man and it says they, they are, they did this, you know, the
- 3:50price of gas because of what's happening in the Middle East.
- 3:52And so the first reaction is, you know, you know, when, when that, when that sticker popped
- 3:59up with Biden, conservatives, evangelicals, evangelicals, conservatives and, you know,
- 4:05Republicans, so to speak, we're quick to, you know, kind of poke fun at it and go like,
- 4:10yeah, this is kind of fun.
- 4:11This is, this is true, you know, he's, you know, the price of going up and now we have
- 4:15this sticker with a Jewish man saying the same thing and we are complaining saying this
- 4:21is anti-Semitic.
- 4:22So are we overreacting or what's going on?
- 4:25I don't think we're overreacting because one sticker is basically pointing at a political
- 4:30figure with a track record of actually making things to be the way they were.
- 4:36And the other sticker is, is blaming an entire people group, the Jews for something that's
- 4:43happening in the Middle East.
- 4:44That's not really their fault, but that's the way the world wants, the world wants to
- 4:48see it.
- 4:49So the, the, the stickers are not equal in, you know, you, we can't compare them.
- 4:56It's not Apple, you know, it's, it's like apples to oranges, but that sticker basically
- 5:01is another anti-Semitic trope against the Jews in any chance people have to point the
- 5:08blame.
- 5:09In anything happens in the world today, it's going to be, at some point it will end up
- 5:14being the fault of the Jews, you know, and I wrote something in an article recently and
- 5:19I think it might even be in, in one of my messages I'm going to be doing at your conference,
- 5:23but I, I, I said this, for as long as the Jews are, well, for as long as the Jews are
- 5:32the chosen people of God, they will be the chosen target of Satan.
- 5:37Hmm, yes, agreed.
- 5:39And, and, and we are the chosen people, not because we're better, not because we're smarter,
- 5:44not because we're better looking or we control everything, just because God said in, in Genesis
- 5:4912, I'm just going to make a people for myself that they're going to, I'm going to use them
- 5:54for my, for my grand narrative, my, my divine decree, it's going to be the Jewish people
- 5:59and through them I will be doing great things and, and, and, and if you look at the track record
- 6:03of what the Jews have, have, my dog agrees with me, by the way, for if you see, the track record
- 6:11of the Jewish people and what they've contributed to the world, it's a true, it's a true statement.
- 6:16So, that's God's prerogative, that is not, we haven't done anything, anything, it's just
- 6:23God's choice, that's the way it is. And, and, and, but we will be blamed for anything because
- 6:29Satan wants to destroy us, because he knows the end of the story.
- 6:33And unfortunately, it just seems like the tide has shifted. It's really, it's, I don't,
- 6:40ironic is not the right word since October 7, 2023. The tide seems to be shifting against Israel.
- 6:47When you thought they would get more support, Israel and the Jewish people after the,
- 6:53this is the slaughter on October 7, but I think the college campuses had their so-called
- 6:59protest ready to go. The millions of money, you know, millions in money were coming in
- 7:04funneling all these different propaganda campaigns and they had that ready to unleash in the
- 7:09US. So, that has produced a lot of not only ignorance, but even in the church, ignorance
- 7:15of the Old Testament, but anti-Semitism, really quick Olivia, and then we'll get into some
- 7:19of the things we had talked about for today. Over at the Christian post, this came out last
- 7:24week. And now, according to Pew Research, 60% of Americans harbor unfavorable views toward
- 7:32Israel. It says, Antipathy toward Israel spiked to 70% among those aged 18 to 49. So,
- 7:42this is the propaganda that the, what the media has been successful at doing. I mean, not in a
- 7:48good way. I don't give them credit. It's demonic. So, your response to this unfortunate trend or
- 7:57what we're seeing trending now in the direction it's going? Yeah, it's, those numbers are high in
- 8:02America. Globally, they're also high. It's about 50% of all adults in the world harbor anti-Jewish
- 8:11views now. And it's going to keep going up because of what we see in the Bible in Zechariah 12
- 8:18of Zechariah with the whole world will turn against Israel. It really is, you know, every time I
- 8:24hear those stories, I think of the old show, the twilight zone, imagine a world where the victim
- 8:30is turned into the perpetrator. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's absolutely crazy. What happened on
- 8:36October 7th is, is, is the opposite of what should have happened. And, and, and, you know, the
- 8:43world should have said, okay, we have been pointing the finger at Israel. We've been painting
- 8:48Israel as the enemy, as the, the, the, the party responsible for everything. We are finally coming
- 8:54to a place where we realize we were wrong. And I didn't expect the whole world to, to come to the
- 8:59rescue of Israel, but some people, you know, should have said, okay, enough is enough, we were wrong.
- 9:05This did not happen. This actually reinforced the view that Satan has been pushing on people
- 9:11that Israel is, is, is guilty of genocide and occupation and colonization and apartheid and all
- 9:17those words that we hear. And, and, and, and I think that this is really bad, but it's actually
- 9:27even worse than we think because there is, there is a shift that's happening right now, a,
- 9:33a progression in anti-Semitism that I, I caught in the word about, I want to say maybe three,
- 9:40four months ago, cold, and it's gone, several articles on, on our blog at Chelem and Messiah.com.
- 9:45And I will speak on that in details at your conference. There's this thing developing that
- 9:53called collateral anti-Semitism. Yeah, what do you mean by that? And collateral anti-Semitism,
- 9:59well, it's, you know, when you hear of collateral damage, you think of what it's, it's, it's hurting
- 10:06a, a, a group of people that don't necessarily or, or, or, or property that's not necessarily
- 10:11the prime target, right? So collateral anti-Semitism. Let me tell you, I, I wrote it down so I won't
- 10:18make any, any mistake here. 26 years ago when I started on my journey to fight anti-Semitism,
- 10:25I, I developed a simple definition of anti-Semitism and, and it, it, it started like this.
- 10:34Anti-Semitism is the hatred of the Jews characterized by thoughts, words, and deeds against them.
- 10:40That's been my definition at, at the foundation, at the core. Then I realized I need to be a little
- 10:45more precise than that. So I, I decided to add, and I don't know how it came about, but over the
- 10:51last 26 years, it, it evolved. And then it became anti-Semitism as hatred of the Jews or Israel
- 10:58characterized by thoughts, words, and deeds against them. Okay. And I realized, okay, that's good,
- 11:03but that's not precise enough. That's when probably 10 years into it, I added the word irrational,
- 11:10because I would see that everything that was happening against the Jews, it was, it was very,
- 11:14very irrational. Yes. And I realized it's irrational because it's satanic. And that was a big
- 11:20revolution to me. I have to let people know, this is a, like you mentioned already, David,
- 11:26a spiritual battle. This is a, this is, this is satanic. This is demonic. This is a spiritual battle.
- 11:32So it became anti-Semitism is the irrational and satanic hatred of the Jews or Israel characterized
- 11:40by thoughts, words, and deeds against them. And in the last couple of months, I made one more
- 11:46change. And that's the, that's to, to describe the shift, which, which I call, you know, collateral
- 11:53anti-Semitism. And here goes the current definition. And I, I, I may be able to evolve again, but
- 11:59that's the result of 26 years. Anti-Semitism is the irrational and satanic hatred of the Jews,
- 12:06Israel or their supporters characterized by thoughts, words, or deeds against them. We are now
- 12:16at a place where you, David, if you go on the street to the store anywhere and you wear a T-shirt
- 12:22that says, I love Israel or I'm a Christian Zionist or you have a starved David on a, on a hat,
- 12:27you run the risk of being spit at or even, you know, hit or, or, or hurt in, in any fashion,
- 12:36because now you're openly supporting the genocidal Jewish state. So that's collateral anti-Semitism.
- 12:45You no longer have to be Jewish in 2026. You know, pay attention, people. This is important. You
- 12:52no longer have to be Jewish to suffer from anti-Semitism. All you have to do is support Israel,
- 12:58which is biblical, by the way. Wow. And, and you can see that just as you're explaining that,
- 13:04I'm thinking about different scenarios and different news reports and different, you know,
- 13:08Christians, you know, wanting to stand up for Israel. And what's sad, though, Olivier, and maybe
- 13:14you can explain how your thoughts on how we got here is the confusion in the church, in the Christian
- 13:20church, in the body of Christ, because there's now a division within as well. And we expect it from
- 13:27the world, don't we? We, yeah, we expect it in the world, but there is a division in, in the church.
- 13:35And I would say the, the, the, the biggest problem that, that is at, at, at the, the, the,
- 13:43this division is replacement theology. Is this, this false view of, of the Bible that claims that,
- 13:53it's, it really is a heretical view, if you ask me, that claims that God is done with Israel,
- 13:59and it has replaced Israel with the Christians. Some, some people who promote the view of replacement
- 14:08theology, they understand that when, when they talk about replacement, this has become a negative
- 14:12word in the, in the mind of those who read the Bible and know it's not true. And, and when they,
- 14:18when they receive a criticism for saying replacement, so they've changed the word, so they
- 14:23not call it fulfillment theology. It's the same thing, okay? It's, you know, the fulfillment
- 14:29theology is that now God has, as, as he's done with Israel, Israel had a chance they
- 14:34rejected the Messiah, they, they, they, they ignored God, they disobeyed God, they rebelled against
- 14:39God. So now it's all about the church and the Christians. But if that's the case, then the,
- 14:44the eternal unconditional unilateral promises that God made in the Abrahamic covenant and the
- 14:50Len covenant and the Davidic covenant and the new covenant, specifically with Israel. If that's
- 14:54the case, then God lied. God is a liar and a covenant breaker. And if he's a liar and a
- 15:01covenant breaker, then my friend, if you hold to the review of replacement theology, then maybe
- 15:06your salvation is not that, that's secure because God may be lied about your salvation as well.
- 15:12Wow. Wow. Again, a lot of this comes down to biblical literacy, right? And how churches
- 15:19just have not been teaching the whole council of God and equipping the saints and my goodness.
- 15:25Biblical worldview now between four and six percent in America. It's, it's, it's awful.
- 15:32So hopefully more pastors will get on board and realize we're in dangerous times. I mean,
- 15:37we are teetering here in this country in, in many ways. Go ahead, your thoughts.
- 15:41Well, no, no, no, no, we, we, we are living in very, very dangerous, very interesting times.
- 15:45I, until about a few years ago, David, I, I would tell people, I would encourage people
- 15:52to fight anti-Semitism because, you know, let's fight anti-Semitism, let's bring an end to it.
- 15:57And I realized I was hopeful, but I was a little naive because we will not be able to bring an
- 16:04end to it because the scripture says that the whole world will go against the Jews. So now I'm saying
- 16:11that we continue to fight it. So I say, and I might have said this on your, on your podcast before,
- 16:16I say, we need to expose, we need to oppose, but only when he returns will Yeshua depose.
- 16:26So we, we know we're not going to win until Yeshua Jesus returns, but until then we still need
- 16:32to expose the lies and we need to oppose what they're all about. And, and alongside that we need to
- 16:40make a, a concerted effort as Christians to let our Jewish friends know that not all Americans
- 16:51and certainly not all Christians are anti-Israel. We, we are, our numbers are reducing. We're
- 16:58dwindling down to a very small amount of, of Bible believing followers of Yeshua who understand
- 17:04the place of Israel in the Bible in God's program and who support Israel. That doesn't mean we
- 17:09support every move of the government, but we support Israel's right to exist. That's true. And so we
- 17:15need to make a concerted effort. And towards that goal, we, if I can speak on this for a minute or
- 17:23two, at Chalman Messiah, we started this thing called no synagogue left behind. And I'm thrilled to be
- 17:33able to share with you that it's working, it's working really well. But a year or so ago, I realized
- 17:39I thought, hey, you know what? Only in America, but it could work. What if pastors would co, would
- 17:46identify where the rabbi in a synagogue is in their community and then clergy to clergy, which
- 17:53really is a better way to get started on a project like this. Pastor calling a rabbi because there
- 17:59is a, a, a, a respect, a level of respect that the rabbi will say, the local pastor is calling me,
- 18:04I better take the phone call, as opposed to an unknown person that I have no time for. So,
- 18:10so pastor the pastor, the pastor to rabbi, pastor is calling a rabbi and would say, hey, this is
- 18:16pastor so and so from church of whatever in your neighborhood. And um, just want to let you know
- 18:23that we have a security team on any Sunday of, of the week, of the year that takes care of our
- 18:31flock that keeps an eye on our, of our flock when we have services. But we're usually not using
- 18:37that team of volunteers of train volunteers, a police force, a retired army veteran, you know,
- 18:45all kinds of different people that have a license to carry and protect the flock. So,
- 18:50I'd like to have coffee with you and maybe tell you about our security team and we would like to
- 18:55offer it to your synagogue to bring security for free on Friday night for Shabbat or on the
- 19:01high holidays or any special event that you have. Just let us know if it's something you want to
- 19:05do. And so we did a pilot on the west coast and a pilot on the east coast, the pilot that did
- 19:11on the west coast was with Brandon Holthouse. Oh. And the pilot that, you know, on the east coast was
- 19:16with Brad Raves. Yeah. There we go. And, uh, and man, David, it's exciting. Uh, that's cool.
- 19:23Brandon reached out to the community to two synagogues, the orthodox and the reform. The reform one said,
- 19:30let's talk. They connected with, uh, with Brandon. He's provided security for them several times.
- 19:36He was invited to go to their Passover, which he did and then building a relationship and, um,
- 19:43and then the orthodox rabbi originally said, our people will take care of our people. No thank you.
- 19:50But then what happened and during Passover, somebody came and did an article from the local newspaper
- 19:55in Bakersfield and said, this Christian church is reaching out to help the Jewish community.
- 20:00We have not seen this in a while. This is really a wonderful story. Guess what? The orthodox rabbi
- 20:05on Monday, following Monday, called Brandon and said, hey, can we talk? So he was, you know,
- 20:12he was, I guess, you know, interested now in finding out how you can get security. And then Brad
- 20:18also did the same thing. Pastor Brad in, uh, in Maryland and he's got a relationship with the rabbi
- 20:25and, uh, yeah, even had people from the synagogue come to visit his church.
- 20:30Unannounced because they wanted to see in, in person, who are these Christians who care so
- 20:36much about us that they would spend time to provide security, no charge, free of charge. So it's
- 20:42all our website. It's at ceilamonmissai.com. No synagogue left behind. There's basically,
- 20:48it's not a program. You don't have to sign up for it. You don't have to pay anything. You don't
- 20:52have to, you all you have to do is if you're a pastor, find out the rabbi where they are,
- 20:57call them and let them know any. We even says in that little sheet of instruction that you're
- 21:02showing on a screenwriter, it says what, what to say in your own words. It's really simple. It's
- 21:07just a matter of having the, the heart and the time to just pick up the phone and call the local
- 21:11rabbi. And David, it's working. I also have my friend, uh, Mike Spolding in Ohio doing it. And,
- 21:19and, and other pastors in the process of doing it. So I want this to take off and, and, and I want
- 21:25all the pastors in America who love Israel to get skin in the game. Awesome. Uh, real quick, uh,
- 21:30Olivier, and I do want to get to Christ's king. Um, but what about people who are neutral?
- 21:36We talked about people who are openly supporting the Jews. We may get a little bit of pushback.
- 21:40We may get some hate collateral anti-semitism. And then there's those who do not support the
- 21:46Jews that are against the Jews. What about neutrality? I know what Dietrich Bonhoeffer would say about
- 21:51those who are neutral. But, um, how can we reach Christians who just don't want to take a side?
- 21:58Maybe they're not willing to go ahead your thoughts. Well, go back to Genesis 12, uh, verse three.
- 22:08If you read it and in any version you can find, it says, I will bless those who bless you.
- 22:15I will curse those who curse you and I will look the other way for those who sit on the fence.
- 22:23Then I would say, okay, you can remain neutral. But the word does not say that. The word says,
- 22:30God will bless those who bless Abraham and his descendants to Jewish people. And he will
- 22:34curse those who curse him. There's no middle ground. And by virtue of only having those two,
- 22:41you can, it's black or white. If you do one, you're not doing the other one. But guess what?
- 22:47If you're not blessing, if you choose like, I don't want to get involved, then you might not be
- 22:53actively cursing. But you, in a sense, you become like the bystanders of the war in the 30s and 40s.
- 23:05The bystanders who said, you know what? This is not my battle. This is not my problem. I'm not Jewish.
- 23:10I don't know anybody Jewish. I don't want to be involved. I got to protect my own family.
- 23:14You become a bystander. And I have said this for years now, probably at least for two decades,
- 23:20that a bystander who does nothing only facilitates the work of a perpetrator. So if you're neutral,
- 23:27you're not neutral. You're helping those who go against Israel.
- 23:33Good point. It's sobering. But we all have to decide what we're going to do. And whether we're
- 23:38going to stand for truth and stand for Israel, stand for the biblical worldview. Now,
- 23:43four minutes left. Christ is king. You mentioned something about seeing these, is it memes or
- 23:48something on the internet? Explain. There is a, and I have an article that I just posted today
- 23:55on our blog at Solomon Messiah. And so it just got there. Satan trying to paint Yeshua into an
- 24:02anti-Semitic king. That's that's the article. And so in the article, the short answer is yes.
- 24:08And what it is is that the statement Christ is king has been used as a quick response
- 24:18slap in the face to the Jewish community by a lot of unfortunately conservative evangelicals,
- 24:28people within the Magah movement that are stating, making that statement, weaponizing a statement
- 24:38that is biblically true is Christ's Messiah. Yes, that's Yeshua, Jesus. Easy king. Well, right now,
- 24:45he's not raining out of Jerusalem like you will during the kingdom. We're not there yet. He's
- 24:50at the right hand of God in heaven. He's going to come down and he's going to reign. You'll be
- 24:55sitting on a throne on a throne of David, David, you know, he's the David King par excellence.
- 25:00And you'll be reigning from Jerusalem. So he is the king of the Jews. What did his silver is
- 25:05head when he was crucified? You know, Jesus king of the Jews. He is the king of the Jews. So it's
- 25:11a true biblical statement, but it has been it has been used in a negative way all over the internet.
- 25:19It's thrown at the Jews all over like the age old accusation that goes way back to the first century
- 25:32of Jews being Christ's killers. So Christ is king. Christ is taken over. Christ is better than
- 25:38the new crisis, better than the Jews and the Christians win. And so that's not helping the Jewish
- 25:45people to look at Christianity and say, Hey, I'm jealous. And you look at Romans 11, 11 and the Christian
- 25:53Gentiles, people like you, David, now you get it. But you know, people like you, the Christian
- 25:58Gentiles are supposed to do what to make my people jealous. And all that this is accomplishing,
- 26:06it is making my people angry and forcing them to distance themselves further and further and
- 26:13from Christianity and from Yeshua. And that's exactly what Satan wants. Because if the Jews don't
- 26:19call on him, if the Jews don't believe that Yeshua is the Messiah, then he's not coming back.
- 26:25Because he said to Israel right before the ascension, surely you will not see me again until you say
- 26:32Baruch Habab Hashem, I don't know. Blessed is you comes in the name of the Lord. If he doesn't say,
- 26:37if Yeshua doesn't hear that, then he's not coming back. That is Q to come back at the second
- 26:44coming. And so if that doesn't, if not being said by Israel, it's not going to happen.
- 26:52Satan knows that. Now what Satan also knows is that the battle is already won. But you will
- 27:01inflict as many casualties as you can, because you always think that you can possibly stop it,
- 27:06but you will not stop it because God promised in Jeremiah 31, 35 to 37 that he will never forsake
- 27:12Israel and our love for Israel to be completely destroyed. So it looks dark from a human standpoint,
- 27:18but from a biblical standpoint, there is hope, there's a great future for Israel, and we have to
- 27:23continue sharing the gospel with our Jewish friends. Amen. God so loved the world, not just Jews,
- 27:29Gentiles, the world that he sent Jesus Yeshua, that we might believe in him and have everlasting life.
- 27:35If you know the verse, friends, Shalom in Messiah, Ministries, Olivier, Malnick, we will see you
- 27:40in a couple weeks, brother. Thanks a lot for your time today. That's right. Thank you. God bless you,
- 27:45friends, and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.