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WAVE: Big Book Study with Corey Session Seven - More About Alcoholism Part 1 · The Daily Ripples Podcast

• 0:03
  Hey guys, this is the Wave Book Studying. We just got done with, there's a solution.
• 0:09
  We're going into more about alcoholism on page 30.
• 0:12
  Uh, we're still going into like the obsession, the middle side of this thing, but There's a lot of things in here.
• 0:20
  I think that are important that kind of connect, and so what we're going to go through is page 30 through 35, and that's kind of the way I kind of like along with how it's broken down.
• 0:29
  Because, I mean, there's like one part about this that like, when I'm reading with another person, like, time is a big issue.
• 0:37
  Like how much time do they have?
• 0:39
  How much time do I have meeting? Because, I mean, like after you're sitting down with somebody for over an hour, hour and a half .
• 0:47
  They're wondering when they can get back to what they need to do, right?
• 0:50
  So, I think the way this breaks down is like, you know, important because, and if he, I think, you know, sometimes I'm able to meet with dudes more than once a week, you know, two, 3 times a week.
• 1:01
  Do it over the phone.
• 1:02
  Um, but, so we're going to get, get to it and, 1st sentence of this has most of us have been unwilling to admit we were real alcoholics.
• 1:14
  Well, on page 20, top of page, actually, top page 21.
• 1:22
  It talks about what a real alcoholic is.
• 1:25
  So it goes on to say on page 30.
• 1:29
  No person likes to think he is bodily and mentally different from his fellows.
• 1:33
  Bodily.
• 1:34
  When I take a drink, I want more.
• 1:37
  And mentally, what happens when I'm not drinking or when I want a drink or after a certain amount of time, I still drink, right?
• 1:44
  That's the mental part of this, the mental obsession.
• 1:47
  I think he is bodily mentally different from his fellows.
• 1:51
  Therefore, it is not surprising that our drinking careers have been characterized by countless vain attempts to prove we could drink like other people.
• 2:00
  And I think this is the career part's important because, man, I was thinking about this the other day and, you know, so if I like abandoned myself to helping others through this program, I know what that looks like today.
• 2:15
  Well, I knew what it looked like to abandon myself to alcohol.
• 2:21
  And it didn't just take like one hour of my day, one hour of my every night.
• 2:27
  It took, I mean, it took hours and days and day, I spent days drunk, not just an hour a day drunk.
• 2:37
  I mean, I mean, if that worked for you.
• 2:39
  I mean, I don't know what that even looks like.
• 2:41
  I don't think you can get drunk just for an hour.
• 2:43
  I mean, it was a career.
• 2:46
  I spent, when I was, when I was drinking, I spent just as much time drunk as I did at work or more, probably more.
• 2:53
  So, I mean, you know, this is a career, and then like, but the other side of that is the way my life looks like today.
• 2:59
  I try to give that same amount of energy to helping others.
• 3:03
  I don't and I don't think I do.
• 3:05
  I don't think I do my best to that.
• 3:07
  Um, I spend less.
• 3:09
  I spend less time than I was drunk as I do helping others, and I get so much more out of that, but that's just the way I view that.
• 3:19
  Um, The idea that somehow, someday, he will control and he will control and enjoy his drinking is the great obsession of every abnormal drinker.
• 3:32
  I circled obsession.
• 3:33
  So circle obsession right there.
• 3:35
  The persistence of this illusion is astonishing.
• 3:39
  So it's, uh, circle illusion, many pursue it into the gates of insanity or death, insanity or death.
• 3:49
  We learned that we had to fully concede.
• 3:52
  So concede is, you know, it's an important word.
• 3:55
  So the way I was explained, like, you know, when, you know, some people surrendered in a war, you know, it's a couple people still fighting.
• 4:04
  You know, not everybody's just surrendering, but when you concede, conceding is just complete, you know, give up.
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  We're done.
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  No more fighting, nothing.
• 4:13
  It's, I think it's a greater word than surrender.
• 4:16
  But, and we're not using so, you know, I think that's important.
• 4:19
  And, you know, maybe that aligned to that is abandoned, you know, abandoning myself to something.
• 4:24
  Um.
• 4:27
  So it says, we learned that we had to fully concede to our innermost selves that we were alcoholics.
• 4:33
  This is the 1st step in recovery.
• 4:34
  And that doesn't say it's the 1st step in the steps.
• 4:38
  That says it's the 1st step in recovery.
• 4:40
  So I believe in the way that's allowed out is like, man, I can fully concede in my innermost selves that I'm an alcoholic.
• 4:47
  Well, I'm still drinking.
• 4:48
  I mean, it probably happened for me when I was, I don't know, 17.
• 4:54
  18 years old.
• 4:56
  Probably the 1st time I got out of treatment.
• 5:00
  Yeah, but what I'm getting at is that when I went through there, they kind of, you know, they explained to you what an alcoholic and all these things are in there, they have people come talk to you and, you know, I mean, it's very simple.
• 5:13
  You know, when I take a drink I want more.
• 5:15
  After a certain amount of time of getting trouble, wrecking cars, going to jail, doing this, doing this, doing this, for some reason, I still drink.
• 5:26
  So this is the 1st step in recovery.
• 5:28
  The delusion.
• 5:29
  So I have delusion circled right there too.
• 5:31
  The delusion that we are like other people or presently may be.
• 5:36
  So me right now has to be smashed.
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  And that's like the really important line right there.
• 5:43
  So like, the idea that I'm like other people are right now or before has to be smashed.
• 5:49
  I um, I had a different, I had another time.
• 5:53
  in this deal. And, um, Yeah, I noticed like before I, uh, over time, I kind of drifted away from helping guys and really, you know, living in the mayor of with a higher power and amongst trying to help you people.
• 6:11
  I mean, anybody, right?
• 6:12
  Even be observed to my family.
• 6:14
  Um, You know, all that stuff started stopping and it just started being about me.
• 6:20
  I started hanging around some people and, you know, man, the idea that I was like them.
• 6:26
  That's what I thought.
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  I thought I was like a normal person again.
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  And so it happens gradually, or happened gradually for me.
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  It might not.
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  I mean, I have no idea how it happens.
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  I'm powerless to this thing.
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  But it happened gradually.
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  And the delusion, that I was like other people, was real.
• 6:45
  And it happened, and you know, eventually it led me into a drink, and it led me into 4 years of that.
• 6:51
  So, The delusion that we were like other people or presently maybe has to be smashed.
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  We alcoholics are men and women who have lost the ability to control our drinking.
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  We know that no real alcoholic ever recovers control.
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  All the times that we were regaining control, but in such intervals usually brief, were inevitably followed by still less control.
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  Which led in time to pitiful and comprehensible demoralization.
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  We are convinced to a man.
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  Alcoholics of our type are in the grip of a progressive illness over any considerable period, we get worse, never better.
• 7:33
  So I will kind of go back through this a little bit, and, you know, so where it says, you know, at the very top, a little bit above on the 1st paragraph, the idea that somehow, someday he will control, Circle control right there and enjoy his drinking is the great obsession.
• 7:53
  I would underline the great obsession.
• 7:55
  So you already got obsession, circled, underline the great obsession.
• 8:00
  So obsession is, thought that excludes any other thought and, you know, weighs out all every, everything else, right?
• 8:09
  So, thoughts that exclude or weigh out all others.
• 8:13
  That's a simple.
• 8:15
  that the actual definition that I was trying to do it by memory.
• 8:19
  Um, and then it keeps on going and says the persistence of this illusion.
• 8:24
  So illusion is a false perception of reality, right?
• 8:29
  And then we go back down to that other sentence, the delusion that we were like other people or presently maybe has to be smashed.
• 8:36
  So the delusion to mislead the mind.
• 8:39
  So delusion, obsession, and illusion are all lives, right?
• 8:46
  So I'm telling myself a lot.
• 8:49
  And I don't even know I'm doing it because if I'm powerless from it, I don't know.
• 8:52
  I'm telling myself the lie in the 1st place because it's a delusion.
• 8:58
  So I think, you know, those definitions in there are important and I have, you know, it was hard.
• 9:04
  It's hard for me to tell you, uh, everything I have highlighted because I have everything highlighted on this page with some lines here and there.
• 9:13
  Um, So at the bottom of this, at the bottom of the page, it says, we were like men who have lost their legs.
• 9:21
  They never grow new ones.
• 9:23
  So I have out written to the side right here.
• 9:27
  Once a pickle always a pickle, or once a butterfly from a caterpillar, you're not going back to the being a caterpillar, right?
• 9:33
  Like, I don't, and I don't know, man.
• 9:36
  You know, maybe science knows why and how, um, I know it was genetic for me.
• 9:41
  And I don't know if there was ever a moment that I didn't want to keep drinking.
• 9:46
  Um, I always wanted to keep drinking.
• 9:49
  Um, so I don't know when it starts, but I do know once I got to a place of oblivion.
• 9:57
  I always wanted to get to oblivion.
• 9:58
  I wanted to complete.
• 10:01
  I wanted to, I mean, I liked having fun.
• 10:04
  I liked that middle in-between thing, but I never wanted to stop and I felt uncomfortable if I did.
• 10:12
  So it goes on to say, neither does there appear to be any kind of treatment, which will make alcoholics of our kind like other men.
• 10:21
  So other men, most people, and like, so we'll find in like, the, I think these different places in here are important to realize where they're talking about most people, most of us, we alcoholics, the real alcoholics.
• 10:37
  Other.
• 10:39
  I mean, you know, it just tells me that I'm not like these people, but I'll always want to, man, I don't anymore, but man, did I want to be like other people.
• 10:48
  So back to the tax.
• 10:51
  We have tried every imaginable remedy.
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  In some instances, there has been brief recovery, followed by always.
• 10:58
  I've always circled by a still worse relapse.
• 11:03
  Physicians who are familiar with alcohol.
• 11:06
  Well, hold on a second.
• 11:07
  Yeah, that's crazy because, like, I don't, you know, if you even look at my, like, my record, my record gets worse.
• 11:15
  The people that I hurt get worse.
• 11:18
  And, you know, it always, and, you know, it's a, that's a consistent measure.
• 11:23
  Um, maybe it's not for you, but it is for me.
• 11:27
  Physicians who are familiar with alcoholism agree that there is no such, I have no such circled thing as making a normal drinker out of an alcoholic.
• 11:37
  Science may one day accomplish this, but it hasn't done so yet, and that was written in 1939.
• 11:44
  It's been a long time since then.
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  Despite all we can say, many who are real alcoholics are not going to believe that they are in this class.
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  By every form of self-deception and experimentation.
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  I have self-deception and experimentation highway.
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  They will try to prove themselves exceptions to the rule.
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  I've always thought it was an exception to the rule even before I took a drink.
• 12:07
  I didn't think these rules applied to me.
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  And I think I can be different.
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  I think I'm something special.
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  Well, I am somebody special today.
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  I'm someone special, able to help people, but that's it.
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  I'm just an alcoholic.
• 12:22
  It says, therefore, to prove themselves exceptions to the rule, therefore non-alcoholics.
• 12:28
  If anyone who is showing inability to control his drinking can do the right about face and drink like a gentleman, I have this highlighted right here, our hats are off to him.
• 12:40
  Good for you, man.
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  Wouldn't it be cool?
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  Heaven knows we've tried hard enough and long enough to drink like other people.
• 12:48
  I think, you know, for for the sake if you want to.
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  If not, it's cool because there's a 1000 other things right here that you can add to this list, but says here are some of the methods we have tried, drinking beer only.
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  eliminating the number of drinks.
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  That's crazy.
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  Never drinking alone.
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  I would I don't understand why I wouldn't.
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  I mean, I'll drink alone, drink with people.
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  It doesn't matter.
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  Never drinking in the morning.
• 13:16
  Well, you know, I kind of judged for a long time, people that we could drink at work, right?
• 13:24
  have drink at work and I've done everything else at work too.
• 13:28
  Uh, drinking only at home.
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  Never having it in the house.
• 13:34
  I don't, I mean, I would always have it if I, anyways, never drinking during business hours.
• 13:39
  I just said that, drinking only at parties, switching from scotch.
• 13:45
  So brandy.
• 13:45
  Man, I wouldn't really, I would switch up things to appease you or to try to work on the hangover because the hangovers, after you're drinking a handle a day or, I mean, I mean, it doesn't matter how much I was drinking, but like, I was trying to manipulate the hangovers to be less because I couldn't,
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  I mean, my, it was, it was, it was unbearable.
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  The feelings in the mornings, drinking only natural wines.
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  A grain to resign if I ever drink drunk on the job, taking a trip, not taking a trip, swearing off forever without a solemn oath.
• 14:23
  I think Bill put that in there because that was the big thing with his grandfather, right?
• 14:29
  Because they had the, uh,
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  They had the thing where they made the signed the thing, said they'll never drink again.
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  That's what his grandfather believed in.
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  And it says taking more physical exercise.
• 14:41
  We tried that reading inspirational books.
• 14:44
  I know a lot of people around me that have a lot of inspirational books.
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  Going to health farms and sanitariums, yes, accepting voluntary commitment to asylums, yes.
• 14:54
  We could increase the list out of Athenium.
• 14:57
  Yes, I could too.
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  We do not like to pronounce any individual alcoholic, but you can quickly diagnose yourself.
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  Step over to the nearest barroom and try some controlled drinking.
• 15:11
  You know, so back in working with the others.
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  Um, on page 92.
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  It says, on the 1st real paragraph, it says, if you are satisfied that he is a real alcoholic, So this is where,
• 15:31
  So this is where people and meetings get one part, right?
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  We do not like to pronounce any individual alcoholic, right?
• 15:42
  We do not like to, right?
• 15:44
  And I don't.
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  But over here on page 92.
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  It says if you are satisfied that he is a real alcoholic.
• 15:51
  Well, I think that's an important drive right there, right?
• 15:55
  Because like, if I need, well, if I'm going to be working with people, I need to know how to work with them.
• 16:00
  Well, what if this person that I'm sitting there talking to, finding all I can about them, I find out they're not a real alcoholic.
• 16:08
  Well, I can take someone and talk someone in a way that we can figure out really quick.
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  I mean, and this book aligns exactly.
• 16:18
  And it tells you exactly what a real alcoholic is.
• 16:22
  And it's my job to, I mean, what if someone's just a bank robber?
• 16:27
  What if they, what if they're like, man, I came in, I got drunk.
• 16:30
  I got drunk and I went and robbed a bank.
• 16:31
  And then you start talking to them and maybe they've robbed fog banks.
• 16:36
  Maybe that.
• 16:38
  They mean they got a bank robbing problem.
• 16:41
  You know, because, I mean, you can get DUIs, right?
• 16:45
  Anybody can get a DUI.
• 16:46
  You't have to be an alcoholic to have multiple DUIs.
• 16:49
  I think anybody can get one.
• 16:51
  I mean, you can get a D after having a couple beers.
• 16:54
  That doesn't make you an alcoholic.
• 16:56
  But to me, this part is, you know, the bottom of page 31 is very pushed that, you know, you can't call anybody an alcoholic.
• 17:07
  Well, I can sure show them what an alcoholic is, and they can decide.
• 17:10
  But it makes sure I'm satisfied too, because if I'm going to spend my time on you.
• 17:15
  I hope that you're like me, so we got to find common ground.
• 17:18
  That's the most important piece of this.
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  First thing is find common ground.
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  Next, find common solution.
• 17:24
  Anyways.
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  It tells me right here, step over to the nearest bar room and try some controlled drinking.
• 17:33
  Try to stop drink and stop abruptly.
• 17:37
  So this book, you know, it's interesting.
• 17:39
  People, you know, in these rooms today.
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  They'll be like, just don't drink.
• 17:42
  When this book tells me to go drink if you don't think you are.
• 17:44
  I don't think it is that drastic.
• 17:47
  I don't think you have to go to that measure, but if you're not convinced, and you don't want to do all this, and you need more convincing, go do some convincing.
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  And I hope you don't die in between.
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  And kill somebody.
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  It says try it.
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  More than once.
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  It will not take long for you to decide if you're honest with yourselves about it.
• 18:07
  It may be worth a bad case of jitters, if you get a full knowledge of your condition.
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  Well, on the top of page 32,
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  I' sorry.
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  Though there is no way of proving it.
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  We believe that early in our drinking career, circle careers, that's important. Most of us could have stopped drinking.
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  But the difficulty is, and I have this highlighted right here.
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  Few alcoholics have enough desire to stop while they're see at time.
• 18:33
  It says we have learned of a few instances where people who show definite signs of alcohols were able to stop for a long period because of overpowering desire to do so.
• 18:43
  Here is one.
• 18:45
  And, you know, what's really cool about this story is, it kind of aligns to my dad's story, but my dad, he didn't die from alcohol at death, but he, uh, He went to college and, um, when he got out of college, he got really heavy into the church.
• 19:04
  And he quit drinking. And it's crazy. He quit drinking for like 30 years.
• 19:10
  I didn't grow up with a dad drinking around me.
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  I didn't grow up with parents really drinking around me.
• 19:15
  Um, but so it's interesting to me that this is how this story is because my dad, after some time, you know, he drank, I mean, he drank as much as I did at points.
• 19:28
  And I think I just think it's interesting that he didn't drink for so long.
• 19:31
  And, you know, we would talk too, and it was funny because he had this rule when he was a customer.
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  He was, I only have this many drinks when I'm with customers.
• 19:40
  Well, but like when he would get home, those, he would start racking the numbers up, right?
• 19:46
  So it was, it was, it was interesting to, because I was adopted and I just think that whole deal is, it's kind of cool to me.
• 19:53
  But anyway, not cool, but it's interesting to say the last.
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  Amanda, back to the text.
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  Um,
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  A man of 30 was doing a great deal of spree drinking.
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  He was very nervous and I have nervous circle because there's a, and you can put RID up there because there's a lot of these different places where it refers to nervous or these different dispositions and it's restless, irritable discontent.
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  And we talked about that in the doctor's opinion.
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  So it says, he was very nervous in the morning after these bounds and quieted himself with more liquor.
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  He was ambitious to succeed in business, but saw that he would get nowhere if he drank at all.
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  Once he started, he had no control.
• 20:37
  I have no control highlighted, whatever.
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  He made his mind that until he had been successful in business and he had retired, he would not touch another drop.
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  An exceptional man.
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  He remained bone dry for 25 years.
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  And my uh, my sponsor makes a good example of this, and, you know, I could almost say it for the most part, you know, I would, he would stay bone dry every day until 2 o'clock.
• 21:03
  And at 2 o'clock, he was at Buffalo Wild Wings every day and that's where he would start drinking every day.
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  But in between there, he would say bone dry.
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  Says bone drive for 25 years.
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  And retired at the age of 55 after it's successful and happy business career.
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  Then he fell victim to the belief that practically, and I have every alcoholic has, and then I have the rest of this highlighted as well, that his long period of sobriety and self-discipline had qualified him to drink as other men.
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  And I'll tell you, when I went back drinking, for me, I was working out, I had good job, had all this stuff, had everything, had good routine, all these things.
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  And when I stopped during the 1st time, I was 21 years old.
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  And, you know, some of these thoughts came into my mind, like, hey, maybe I was just young and dumb.
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  Maybe, you know, since I have this routine and this and this.
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  You know, maybe it was just, you know, bad time.
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  And I think, you know, so it says, that his long period of sobriety and self-diswoman had qualified him to drink as other men, I have other men circled.
• 22:19
  Out came his carpet slippers in his bottle in 2 months, he was in a hospital puzzles puzzled and humiliated.
• 22:25
  He tried to regulate his drinking for a while, making several trips to the hospital meantime.
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  Then gathering all his forces.
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  He attempted to stop altogether and found he could not have, could not highlight it, then I had the rest of this sentence highlighted as well.
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  Every means of solving his problem, which money could buy was at his disposal.
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  And I have beyond human aid and written right above here.
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  And I had this underlined and highlighted.
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  Every attempt failed.
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  Though a robust man at retirement, he went to pieces quickly and was dead within 4 years.
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  This contains a powerful lesson, most of us.
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  How most of us circled.
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  have believed that if we remained sober for a long stretch,
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  We could thereafter drink normally.
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  But here's a man who was 55 years found he was just where he had left off at 30.
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  We have seen the truth demonstrated again and again.
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  I have this part highlighted and underlined.
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  Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic.
• 23:33
  Commencing to drink after a period of sobriety, wearing short time as bad as ever.
• 23:38
  And this is underline and how I...
• 23:41
  I mean this, because, you know, I, some of the circle twos, but this is really important right here, especially if you're working with somebody.
• 23:48
  If we are planning to stop drinking, there must, circle must, be no reservation, circle, no reservation of any kind, nor any lurking notion that someday we will be immune to alcohol, and you can make that more personal.
• 24:04
  Someday you will be immune to alcohol.
• 24:09
  It says young people may be encouraged by this man's experience to think that they can stop as he did on their own willpower.
• 24:15
  I have own willpower underline because that's I was able to do that.
• 24:19
  It says, we doubt if many of them can do it because none will really want to stop and hardly want of them because the, the, peculiar, the, sorry, peculiar middle twist, I have that underline right there in the highlight is already acquired, we will finally, we can win out.
• 24:38
  So that's interesting, right?
• 24:41
  So hardly one of them because of the peculiar middle twist already acquired.
• 24:45
  So I already have a peculiar mental twist and it doesn't really say when.
• 24:50
  Man, I'll tell you that after the 1st time I got drunk, the next weekend I was drinking, and the next weekend, and then a couple times during the weekdays.
• 24:59
  And, you know, this was all in, like, when I was 13 and 14 and 15.
• 25:04
  So, but, you know, it's that's how it started for me.
• 25:07
  Several, several of our crowd, men of 30 or less have been drinking only a few years, but they found themselves as helpless as those who had been drinking 20 years.
• 25:18
  So I have this highlighted right here these next, uh, this next sentence.
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  To be gravely affected.
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  One circle does not right here.
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  to be gravely affected.
• 25:29
  One does not necessarily have to drink a long time, nor take the quantity some of us have.
• 25:35
  This is particularly true of women.
• 25:37
  The potential female alcoholics often turn into real alcohol and they're gone beyond recall in a few years.
• 25:45
  Certain drinkers who would be greatly insulted if cold alcoholics are astonished that their inability to stop.
• 25:52
  We who are familiar with the symptoms, see large numbers of potential alcoholics among young people everywhere.
• 26:00
  But try and get them we're on the top of page 34, but try and get them to see it. And there's a little markup there.
• 26:08
  And at the bottom of the, you know, so, It says at the bottom with the where the stars, it says, true when this book was 1st published, but a 2014 U.S. Canada membership survey showed about 12% of AAs were 30 and under.
• 26:23
  So there is a lot of young people today.
• 26:27
  I mean, I would consider myself to some degree young.
• 26:31
  Um, back to the text.
• 26:34
  We look back, we felt we had gone on drinking many years beyond the point where we could quit on our own power.
• 26:41
  I have that highlighted beyond the point where we could quit on our power because beyond human aid, right?
• 26:46
  And already behind human aid.
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  Says if anyone question whether he has entered this dangerous area.
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  Let him try leaving liquor alone for one year.
• 26:56
  You know, I was talking to a dude the other day, and he's got some other issues too, and he likes the, uh, he likes the powder goods, and, but he only does powdered goods when he's drinking, and, you know, he, we would talk about it, and he was like, you know, kind of making the light of the drink and be heavy on the powdered things, like the, the drugs, and I, uh, I said, well, you know, do you only do this stuff when you're drinking?
• 27:23
  He said, yeah.
• 27:24
  And I said, well, why don't you just not drink?
• 27:27
  He said, I've tried that.
• 27:29
  Yeah, so they.
• 27:31
  I uh, I don't know.
• 27:34
  Back to the text.
• 27:35
  If he is a real alcoholic, I have real alcoholic circled, and very far advanced, there's a chance of success.
• 27:42
  In the early days of our drinking, we occasionally remain sober for a year or more.
• 27:46
  becoming serious drinkers again later.
• 27:48
  Though you may be able to stop for a considerable period, you know, I mean, I mean, I was sometimes, maybe, you know, do I need to get the girl back to get the job back, to get the cord off my back?
• 28:01
  Then I was back to business as normal.
• 28:06
  So for you, becoming serious drinkers again later, though, you may be able to stop for a considerable period, you may not, may, you may be a potential alcoholic.
• 28:15
  We think few to whom this book will appeal can stay dry.
• 28:19
  I think drives an interesting word.
• 28:22
  I have it highlighted in this book, anything like a year.
• 28:25
  Some would be drunk the day after making their resolutions, most of them within a few weeks.
• 28:31
  And I needed like a few weeks to get like my whole body back to normal where I was going to the bathroom normal where I wasn't shaking anymore, and then I felt like a brand new person.
• 28:44
  So it says, and I have this whole next, this whole, there was this whole paragraph highlighted, um, a couple things that circled.
• 28:53
  So it says for those who are unable to drink moderately.
• 28:56
  I have that circled.
• 28:57
  The question is how to stop altogether.
• 29:00
  We are assuming that, of course, that the reader desires to stop.
• 29:05
  So, underly we are assuming, of course, that the reader desires to stop, or do you desire to stop for good and all, or do you just want this to be another little bump in the road, which is cool, because I've done that too.
• 29:16
  But we're not here for the people that just want to not drink for today.
• 29:20
  We're here for the people that are done for good and all.
• 29:23
  Whether such a person can quit upon a non-spiritual bias that bias depends upon the extent to which he has already lost the power of choice whether he were drink or not.
• 29:34
  Many of us feel that we had plenty of character.
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  There was a tremendous urge to cease forever.
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  Yet we found it impossible.
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  This is the baffling feature of alcoholism as we know it.
• 29:47
  This I have uttering ability, circled to leave it alone, no matter how great the necessity, how great the necessity or the wish.
• 29:57
  Because those are big things, utter inability necessity, impossible, I have impossible circle 2 up there.
• 30:03
  I mean, it's so it's, I mean, that this might not applaud to someone, that's why it's important to take people through this book.
• 30:10
  How then shall we help our readers determine their own satisfaction whether they are one of us?
• 30:16
  The experiment of quitting for a period of time will be helpful, but we think we can render an even greater service to alcohol suffers.
• 30:25
  So this is where, you know, it's like you can either go drink or says we can do a better service to alcoholic sufferers and perhaps the medical fraternity.
• 30:34
  So, I says, so we shall describe some of the middle states that precede a relapse into drinking.
• 30:41
  For obviously, this is the crux and crux means core.
• 30:47
  So this is the core of the problem.
• 30:49
  Or the top of page 351st real paragraph.
• 30:53
  What sort of thinking dominates an alcoholic who repeats time time after time, the desperate experiment of the 1st drink?
• 31:00
  Friends who've reasoned with him after a spree, which has brought him to the point of divorce or bankruptcy or mystified when he walks directly into a saloon, why does he?
• 31:12
  of what is he thinking, right?
• 31:14
  So that's like the faulty emotional appeal, right?
• 31:17
  So like friends telling me why is he doing this, family, doctors, lawyers, all these things, right?
• 31:23
  And that's just frothy, emotional, teal.
• 31:25
  What about the kids, right?
• 31:26
  I drank over my kid.
• 31:28
  I didn't, you know, if it was me being drunk or, you know, him having fun, I'm going to be drunk.
• 31:36
  So, you know, would these things come into my, my, and that's just it, right?
• 31:42
  For all the emotional appeal, quit drinking.
• 31:45
  Please stop.
• 31:46
  You're going to lose your job.
• 31:47
  You're going to lose everything.
• 31:48
  And that does not, that's not enough for me.
• 31:51
  Um, So what we, you know, so the next week we're going to go through the examples and Um,
• 32:00
  Yeah, man, and I think this is really cool because like in the, you know, these 5 pages right here are really important.
• 32:07
  Because it tells me that I don't have any control.
• 32:11
  Um, after I stopped and, you know, what does that look like?
• 32:17
  I mean, I mean, I think everybody's story is different, but everybody's story also can be the same too.
• 32:22
  When I go look at my drinking.
• 32:25
  So, you know, one thing I ask is like, you know, if you hear anything that's not like you, don't, you know, don't look at that as much as look at the part of just the drinking.
• 32:40
  What happens when I start, what happens over a period of time?
• 32:44
  And if you can come to a place of that, you know, just keep on, we'll just keep on going through. But guys, thank you for this, you know, the privilege to do this, man.
• 32:54
  I really enjoy going through this stuff anyways.
• 32:56
  And uh, to be able to do it with some other people for a good cause and to be able to help may possibly, you know, means a lot to me.
• 33:03
  So thank you.