Latest / Investor Exchange / TT International: FY2025 Financial Results
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- 0:02Time for another Investor Exchange podcast. Here are your hosts, Matt and Sally.
- 0:08Okay, welcome back. Today, we're doing a deep dive into TT International Limited.
- 0:13We've got their latest full-year financials for the fiscal year ending March 2025.
- 0:18That's right. Unaudited results, plus an interesting correction notice they
- 0:21put out shortly after the initial announcement.
- 0:23So we have the main report and that little adjustment to consider.
- 0:26Right. And our mission, as always, is to really unpack what these documents tell us.
- 0:30We want to understand the numbers, sure, but also the story behind the numbers. Exactly.
- 0:35And with TT International, there's definitely a story. You look at the headline
- 0:38figures and it seems a bit, well, contradictory at first glance.
- 0:43Yeah, that's what caught my eye.
- 0:44So let's start at the top. What are the headline numbers telling us about,
- 0:47say, revenue compared to last year, FY 2024? Okay, so revenue first,
- 0:52it's down quite significantly, actually.
- 0:54It decreased by 22.1%. 22%, wow.
- 0:58Yeah, it went from $25.7 million in FY 2024 down to $20.1 million in FY 2025.
- 1:05So a noticeable drop in sales.
- 1:07Okay. And does gross profit follow that trend? I assume it would.
- 1:10It does, and even more steeply.
- 1:13Gross profit fell by 29.5%. It went from $7.9 million down to $7.7 million.
- 1:20Ouch. So less money coming in and keeping less of it as gross profit,
- 1:25too. What did that do to the margin?
- 1:27Yeah, the gross profit margin dipped. It was 42.5% in the previous year,
- 1:31and it fell to 38.4% in FY 2025.
- 1:34So pressure on profitability right from the start. Okay, so far it sounds pretty
- 1:38challenging. Weak sales, lower margins.
- 1:42That usually points towards bigger losses or smaller profits if they were making
- 1:45any. That's not quite the story here, is it? No, it's not. And this is where it gets interesting.
- 1:49Despite that weaker top line performance, the loss from operations actually
- 1:53improved significantly.
- 1:55Improved. How much are we talking? Well, in FY 2024, they reported a loss from
- 1:58operations of $10.6 million.
- 2:01But in FY 2025, that shrank quite dramatically to a loss of $3.3 million.
- 2:07Whoa. OK. So they cut the operating loss by, what, about two thirds,
- 2:10even with revenue falling sharply. Exactly.
- 2:12It's a big swing. And that improvement flows further down, too.
- 2:15The overall net loss for the year also got much smaller.
- 2:17Right. And this is where that correction notice comes in. Yes, precisely.
- 2:20Initially, they reported one figure, then corrected it slightly.
- 2:23The final corrected net loss for FY 2025 stands at S3.607 million dollars.
- 2:31That's compared to a net loss of S11.1 million dollars in FY 2024.
- 2:36So again, a huge improvement on the bottom line.
- 2:39And what about the loss specifically attributable to the owners of the company?
- 2:43Sometimes that differs.
- 2:44It does. And that figure saw an even more dramatic improvement.
- 2:48The loss attributable to owners went from $7.9 million in FY 2025 down to just
- 2:53$6 to $7 million in FY 2025.
- 2:56That's the corrected figure again, almost breaking even from the owner's perspective.
- 2:59Sales down over 20 percent, gross margin down, but operating losses slashed,
- 3:04net loss slashed, and the loss to owners almost vanishes.
- 3:07How does the company explain this? What reasons do they give in the report?
- 3:10Well, for the drop in revenue and gross profit, they point to what they call
- 3:13a challenging operating environment.
- 3:15Okay, standard phrase. Do they get specific?
- 3:17They do. They mention a significantly weaker retail industry,
- 3:21which they explicitly link to the ongoing impacts of COVID-19.
- 3:25Plus, they talk about increasing margin pressures, rising costs in general,
- 3:30and difficulties due to manpower tightening policies.
- 3:33Right. Those are definitely headwinds we've seen affecting many businesses,
- 3:36particularly in retail over the past couple of years.
- 3:39Labor shortages, supply chain costs, lingering pandemic effects.
- 3:43Exactly. So that covers the why sales are down part. But as you said,
- 3:47that doesn't explain why the losses got so much smaller.
- 3:50So what's the explanation for the improved bottom line? It wasn't core sales, obviously.
- 3:55No, it seems to come from other areas of the financial statements.
- 3:58The source material highlights a couple of key things.
- 4:01First, other operating income went up a lot by 48.0%. Other operating income?
- 4:06Like what? The report mainly credits that increase to income from events held
- 4:10by subsidiaries. And importantly, there was also a one-off non-cash gain.
- 4:15This came from the deconsolidation of a subsidiary that's currently under liquidation.
- 4:19Ah, okay. Okay, so some extra income streams, maybe not directly related to
- 4:24their main retail business, and a significant accounting gain from sorting out
- 4:28a troubled subsidiary. That sounds like it could make a difference.
- 4:31It definitely seems to have played a big part, but that's not all.
- 4:35They also managed to decrease other operating expenses quite substantially down
- 4:39by 29.7%. Okay, and what drove that decrease?
- 4:44Cost-cutting measures. The report mainly attributes this decrease to lower unrealized
- 4:49foreign exchange losses.
- 4:51Forex losses. So basically changes in currency exchange rates hurt them less
- 4:55on paper this year compared to last year.
- 4:57That seems to be the main factor mentioned, yes. It's an unrealized loss,
- 5:01meaning it's more of an accounting adjustment based on currency values rather
- 5:04than cash actually spent.
- 5:06So less of a negative paper adjustment this year helped the expense line. Right.
- 5:09So if we put it all together, the core business struggled with sales and margins
- 5:13due to tough market conditions.
- 5:15But the bottom line improved drastically because of extra income from things
- 5:20like events, a significant one-off gain from shedding its subsidiary,
- 5:24and lower paper losses on foreign exchange.
- 5:27Is that a fair summary? I think that captures the essence of what the financial
- 5:30statements are showing, yes.
- 5:32It's a mix of operational struggle offset by other financial factors. Okay.
- 5:36Now, improved losses are one thing, but what about actual cash?
- 5:40Did the company generate cash from its operations during the year,
- 5:43especially with that smaller loss? That's a really important question. And interestingly, no.
- 5:47The cash flow picture wasn't quite as positive.
- 5:50Cash flow from operating activities actually worsened year over year.
- 5:53Oh, how so? In FY 2024, they generated a positive S1.3 million dollars from operations.
- 6:00But in FY 2025, that flipped to using S65,000 dollars in cash for operations.
- 6:06So despite the lower accounting loss, the actual cash generated from day-to-day
- 6:10business went negative. Hmm.
- 6:12That's a crucial detail. It suggests the underlying operational profitability
- 6:16might still be under pressure from a cash perspective, even if the accounting
- 6:20loss looks better due to non-cash items like that gain or reduce forex losses.
- 6:26It certainly highlights the difference between accounting profit and cash generation,
- 6:30which is always important to watch.
- 6:32What about the balance sheet? Did anything significant change there? Debt levels.
- 6:36Equity? Well, the company's overall equity position remains negative.
- 6:40That's not ideal. Obviously, liabilities exceed assets.
- 6:44However, total liabilities did see a small decrease compared to the previous year.
- 6:49Borrowings like bank loans and such were mentioned as being largely stable.
- 6:52Okay, so still in a tough spot financially overall with negative equity,
- 6:56but maybe some slight stabilization or reduction in liabilities.
- 6:59Now, this brings us to the broader context, which seems really critical here. Absolutely essential.
- 7:04You can't look at these FY 2025 results in isolation.
- 7:08The source material, both the financial statement commentary and potentially
- 7:12other announcements referenced, makes it very clear that TT International has
- 7:16been operating under a court-sanctioned scheme of arrangement for a very long time.
- 7:19And when you say a long time? Since 2010. 2010.
- 7:23So we're talking about 15 years under a formal restructuring process supervised
- 7:27by the courts. That's correct. 15 years.
- 7:30This isn't a company just having a bad year or two. It's a company that has
- 7:33been in a deep, protracted financial restructuring for over a decade and a half. Wow.
- 7:39That context completely reframes these annual results, doesn't it? It absolutely does.
- 7:44The source documents actually detail numerous court applications,
- 7:48creditor meetings, requests for extensions, and amendments to this scheme of
- 7:53arrangement and related funding agreements over the years.
- 7:56It's clearly been a long and complex process.
- 7:58Are there recent developments mentioned? Like, is this scheme concluding?
- 8:02Not concluding, apparently.
- 8:04The latest information mentioned in the source points to further adjournments.
- 8:08There is a court hearing that was adjourned to August 11, 2025,
- 8:12and a crucial scheme meeting with creditors adjourned to July 14, 2025.
- 8:16So the process is still very much ongoing, with key dates pushed out again.
- 8:21This isn't just historical context, it's the current reality influencing everything. Exactly.
- 8:26It underscores the immense financial pressure and uncertainty the company continues to operate under.
- 8:32Their ability to continue as a going concern likely hinges on the successful
- 8:36continuation and eventual completion of this very long-running scheme.
- 8:40Okay, so looking ahead, what does the company itself say about its outlook in
- 8:45the commentary, given this context and the recent performance?
- 8:47The commentary, according to the source, states that the operating environment
- 8:51remains more challenging.
- 8:52They essentially reiterate the same issues, the weak retail sector,
- 8:56COVID impacts, margin pressures, costs, manpower issues.
- 9:00There isn't a particularly optimistic tone about the immediate operating future described.
- 9:05Right. So they're signaling that the tough conditions that impacted FY2025 sales
- 9:10are expected to persist while they continue to navigate this very complex,
- 9:15long-term restructuring. That seems to be the picture painted by the source material.
- 9:20Ongoing operational challenges coupled with the overarching legal and financial
- 9:25restructuring framework. OK, so let's bring this back to the listener.
- 9:28When you encounter a company report like this, maybe not always with a 15 year
- 9:32restructuring, but with complexities, what does it all mean for you?
- 9:36What can you take away from this kind of deep dive? Well, I think it's a fantastic
- 9:39real-world example of several key things.
- 9:42First, you see how broad economic factors like the post-COVID retail environment
- 9:47directly impact a company's top line.
- 9:50It's not abstract. It shows up in the numbers. Right. Connects the macro to the micro. Exactly.
- 9:54Second, it highlights the critical difference between revenue performance and bottom-line results.
- 9:59You absolutely cannot assume that falling sales automatically mean worsening losses or vice versa.
- 10:04You have to dig into why the profit or loss changed. Yeah, the importance of looking at.
- 10:10Other income, other expenses, one-off items, non-cash items,
- 10:15all those lines below gross profit. Precisely.
- 10:18Those items, like the deconsolidation gain or the forex changes here,
- 10:22can dramatically swing the reported profitability, sometimes masking or,
- 10:26conversely, exaggerating the underlying operational health.
- 10:30And third, it shows the immense importance of context. The scheme of arrangement in this case.
- 10:35Yes. Knowing about that longstanding restructuring completely changes how you
- 10:39interpret the results and the company's overall situation and prospects.
- 10:43Financial statements never exist in a vacuum. You need that narrative, that background.
- 10:47So it's about looking holistically, the P&L, the cash flow, the balance sheet,
- 10:51and the commentary, and any relevant external context like legal proceedings.
- 10:55Couldn't have fed it better myself.
- 10:56You need all the pieces to understand the full picture, especially with a company
- 10:59facing significant challenges. Okay, we definitely unpack quite a bit there
- 11:03from TT International's latest reports and the crucial background context.
- 11:08Lower sales, but much smaller losses due to other factors, all happening under
- 11:13the very long shadow of a court-supervised restructuring. We have,
- 11:17and maybe a final thought to leave you with, drawing from that context.
- 11:20Consider this company operating under a scheme of arrangements since 2010.
- 11:24Think about the sheer persistence required, the repeated negotiations with creditors,
- 11:29the constant court dates, the uncertainty documented in these sources with adjournments
- 11:33stretching into late 2025.
- 11:35Fifteen years is an incredibly long time in the business world. It really is.
- 11:39So the thought is, reflect on the immense difficulty, the complexity,
- 11:43and the deep uncertainty that must be involved in such a prolonged corporate restructuring?
- 11:48What does that sheer duration tell you about the challenges involved?
- 11:52What aspect of that long ongoing process stands out most to you?
- 11:56Something to ponder. A powerful point to end on. That's all the time we have
- 12:00for this deep dive. Thanks for joining us.