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47. Finding Healing and Connection through Voice and Family Constellations with Yee Ley Lau · Constellations and all that...

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  Tracy Cartwright: Kiona and welcome to Constellations and all that.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I'm your host, Tracy Cartwright, and together we will be exploring the world of family constellations with facilitators for and clients from around the world, looking at different perspectives and experiences in the work, having a cup of tea, and just chatting with some friends around their experiences in constellations.
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  Tracy Cartwright: We'd love for you to join us.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I hope that you enjoy this series as much as I have loved making it.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Kde, everyone.
• 0:34
  Tracy Cartwright: Welcome to Constellations and all that.
• 0:37
  Tracy Cartwright: We are nearing the end of August already.
• 0:40
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, and we're just starting to come into spring, which is, is so exciting.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And today I am super excited to have my friend and colleague, Yle Lao joining me today for a conversation, for a chat.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And I was just saying before we started push record, this feels juicy.
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  Tracy Cartwright: It feels like there's gonna be some, yeah, some great topics that come up.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So, welcome you
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  Yee Ley Lau: lay.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Really
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  Tracy Cartwright: excited to have you here.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Thank you, Tracy.
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  Yee Ley Lau: It's good to be here and, uh, I can fill my heart beating with anticipation and excitement.
• 1:10
  Yee Ley Lau: Yay.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yay.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Um, for those who dunno, you, would you like to share a little bit about yourself, whatever is there for you, whatever sure is present.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Yee Ley Lau: I'm currently living in Wnu, New Zealand.
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  Yee Ley Lau: I've been in New Zealand for.
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  Yee Ley Lau: 11 years now and um, I was born in the uk.
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  Yee Ley Lau: My parents are Hong Kong Chinese.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Um, so I feel like I have a international flavor after being what they call BBC, British born Chinese brought up there and now over here, the other Southern hemisphere, I, um, used to be a a IT business analyst and moved into all things weird and wonderful.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Um, my energy healing.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Uh, sound is what I use now.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Sound healing, and I help people facilitate a space for people to connect with their voice.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And I love constellations and yeah, I just love exploring different ways of accessing and connecting to ourselves.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So that's me.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I think we, you and I met probably about 10 years ago, maybe, maybe 10, 9, 9 or 10 years ago, and I remember seeing you driving through there.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Coming into the car park.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And then we met at the beginning of a beautiful weekend at Orang Ma Marai in the upper.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, that's right.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So, um, one of the questions, and you may have heard this on my podcast before, is how did you meet constellations?
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  Tracy Cartwright: Just for the
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  Yee Ley Lau: Mm. Um, I'll mention two touch points with constellations.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Uh, one, whilst I was in the UK before I came to New Zealand, it was introduced very.
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  Yee Ley Lau: In a very abstract way, meaning my friend, uh, or my reiki teacher at, so, um, he experienced it and we do, did a lot of earth, what I call earthworks and working with lay lines.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And we were out in looking at the Mary Magdalene line, I can't remember now, which part of, I think we're in south of Wales somewhere.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And he said, oh, I've learned the single constellations and so be thought I am.
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  Yee Ley Lau: We were representing towns in this situation.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, wow.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And we
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  Yee Ley Lau: just, you know, trusted that flow.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And I was representing a town.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Other people were represent, uh, representing towns and the energy flow between them.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So that was like one little glimpse I've heard about it, and it's like, we could really feel the energy.
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  Yee Ley Lau: My arms were swinging up for connection or disconnection to the next town.
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  Yee Ley Lau: It's quite interesting.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So that was my first.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Hint of constellations.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And then when I moved to, uh, New Zealand, came to New Zealand all those years ago, I was doing house set in, and that's where I met a lot of the healers in the area.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Hence, our connection at oray, the Marai.
• 4:01
  Yee Ley Lau: And one of the people there I think was just training.
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  Yee Ley Lau: In fact, you, I think you're both training.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And so I think I attended her first public constellations.
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  Yee Ley Lau: I think that's where I was.
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  Yee Ley Lau: I can't remember the timeline of it.
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  Yee Ley Lau: It's either there or, or wrong or my.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And it was my first experience of family constellations in its originality.
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  Yee Ley Lau: If that's, if that's the word to use.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So actually having family members represented.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So I had a session and it was so amazing because the people represented, you know, one was my mother, my father, and this blind spot was my grandmother.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And um, just the emotions that came up in my.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Body just as the seeker.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Uh, it was just so interesting and even more so as a representative to actually feel the feelings and then have the facilitator help me with the words.
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  Yee Ley Lau: That was a big thing for me is to have some sentences or words to acknowledge what was going on.
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  Yee Ley Lau: 'cause I was very much in freeze mode pretty much.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Or, or fa Yeah.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So for years I was new.
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  Yee Ley Lau: My body was contracted or I was stuck in freeze mode going, something's not right here, or something's off.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And then having the facilitator give those words, my body was like, oh.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Wow.
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  Yee Ley Lau: It made sense.
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  Yee Ley Lau: It made sense.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So that was a big, that was a big aha moment of like, wow, what is this?
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  Yee Ley Lau: What is this thing?
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  Yee Ley Lau: What is this stuff?
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  Yee Ley Lau: What is this stuff?
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  Yee Ley Lau: So having for me words, I know people other way around, but that was my gateway into wow, having relief of.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Oh, so finally there's some words that match the energy.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So I just became a Constellation rep junkie and I was just super fascinated with dynamics.
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  Yee Ley Lau: I had so many questions I think I remember asking you and um, the other facilitator, and I'm, how do you know what to say?
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  Yee Ley Lau: How do you know what to say and give the sentences?
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  Yee Ley Lau: That was my thing, I think.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Was it Mark who was the Mark Johnson?
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  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah.
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  Yee Ley Lau: He was asking and you were flanking or you're beside him and you.
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  Yee Ley Lau: I remember him asking you.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So yeah, how are you gonna respond, Tracy?
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  Yee Ley Lau: I don't know.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So yeah, really fascinating.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Those early days are quite, um.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, it can be a little bit overwhelming stepping in as a facilitator in those early days when you may have done some training or, or experienced many workshops and then you're stepping in to facilitate and all of a sudden you are, how do I do this?
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  Tracy Cartwright: How, you know, like, how does this come through?
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  Tracy Cartwright: How does.
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  Tracy Cartwright: My biggest thing that I say to the people that are training with me is trust.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Trust the field.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Trust that when you stop and listen, the answers will come forward.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Every now and then I have a what?
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  Tracy Cartwright: The moment.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I have no idea.
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  Tracy Cartwright: No idea.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And I'll walk around and I'll go, Hmm, no idea.
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  Tracy Cartwright: No idea what's to do now.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And then suddenly maybe a representative will bark an answer for me, or, or, or, or say something or I've got this, um, the field speaks to me and says, oh, he's just stand still here for long enough.
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  Tracy Cartwright: There'll be an answer for you.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So that's, I do it now.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And at the time, Mara just remember being like, I dunno how I'm gonna answer that one.
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  Tracy Cartwright: That when Mark asked me those questions.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Mm, you look very contemplative for that
• 7:17
  Yee Ley Lau: one.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Let me buy some time here.
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  Yee Ley Lau: If I pretend like I know what I'm doing,
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  Tracy Cartwright: something might happen.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And that's true for all of us.
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  Yee Ley Lau: For anything, right?
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  Yee Ley Lau: When we, when we start out, when we're the student and, and, and I think we're a forever student, it feels like in, in the field.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And thanks to you, Tracy.
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  Yee Ley Lau: 'cause I, uh, for those such to know Tracy, Tracy's been my mentor in this, in this field to own.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Facilitator hat.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Um, and to have that, I said that trust in the field, but also that relationship with the field or And yourself, yourself and the field and to, yeah, claiming that facilitator space, not in a kind of a authoritarian or controlling aspect, but I really appreciated the difference between a rep being a rep.
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  Yee Ley Lau: 'cause the rep. As a rep, I had loads of points of view of where this should be going, and then go hang on a minute.
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  Yee Ley Lau: But as the facilitator, it feels so different and they have their own relationship with the, with the seeker and the field, it feels like.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And there's no right or wrong, but there's just a different um.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Order if I think.
• 8:20
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I'd love to just jump in and talk about your sound healing 'cause you use constellations and sound.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah.
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  Yee Ley Lau: That was like a happy accident.
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  Yee Ley Lau: If that's the word.
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  Yee Ley Lau: If that's the phrase like I've been working with sound for.
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  Yee Ley Lau: That was probably my first, one of my earlier segues into energy healing.
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  Yee Ley Lau: I was back in 2007, I did reiki and then.
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  Yee Ley Lau: A few, you know, through my Reiki teacher, he thankfully offered lots of different, um, classes including, um, vocal toning.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And then there was a lady in town in London, this was back in London, um, who a thing called Divine Light Sound Baths.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And, um, oh wow.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And it was, she was an opera singer.
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  Yee Ley Lau: She's an opera singer, and she works with the angelic realm.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And she, her, her, back in the day it was called, I, I think the term was coined in London, I'm not sure.
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  Yee Ley Lau: But it, she was, we're all there sleeping on the floor in our sleeping bags.
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  Yee Ley Lau: 'cause Oh, well that's, that's a great way to just be compact with your, you know, what you take.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Um, and then she sang.
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  Yee Ley Lau: In her voice in, in this, um, for those that dunno the, uh, uh, language of light or, or, um, in a different language.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And walked around with chimes and I cried.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And so with the sound, that was my start of my sound journey.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So I went along to her voice.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So that was the start of my sound journey and it was my voice.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And then a few classes with her.
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  Yee Ley Lau: She just provided the space of gentleness and no judgment and that.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Had awoken something within me and this other voice came through me and my mind couldn't work out what was going on.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So long story short, she'd just say, you'll be doing this in New Zealand.
• 10:06
  Yee Ley Lau: I was like, what?
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  Yee Ley Lau: As in teaching classes.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Like I, what?
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  Yee Ley Lau: Well, since I've
• 10:12
  Tracy Cartwright: known you, I associate you with sound.
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  Tracy Cartwright: 'cause you Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: You always, yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: You had so many beautiful instruments and I see some in the background there, but that is, it is yle and, and yle sound as well, so,
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  Yee Ley Lau: yeah.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And it's
• 10:25
  Tracy Cartwright: magical.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So it's been a thank you.
• 10:27
  Yee Ley Lau: So it's been a bit of a journey, meaning that I wanted to, I, as you do you, you copy your mentors for a little bit until you find your own style.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And so I asked her permission like, can I deliver those classes?
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  Yee Ley Lau: But I just found that people were a little bit shy with connecting with their voice.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So I ended up buying some.
• 10:45
  Yee Ley Lau: Crystal Bowls as one, a security blanket for me and Soundbars as a, as an accessible way for people to meet me.
• 10:55
  Yee Ley Lau: But it actually then became a thing'cause I then starting creating Soundbars.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So this is again, probably about that time when I, when I moved to New Zealand.
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  Yee Ley Lau: The whole sound thing came out more into the public rather than private practice, as in practicing for myself.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So a few instruments later, um, actually do like magpie.
• 11:16
  Yee Ley Lau: Ooh, what's that one?
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  Yee Ley Lau: So I started connecting and creating a little.
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  Yee Ley Lau: A group of friends with my instruments and using my voice to create soundscapes for people and just notice people go, wow.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And they felt so relaxed and especially with the voice.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So then I started doing the voice, um, classes as soon as they got to know me.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So this is interesting 'cause I was repping as a Eller in, you know, in parallel and not making an association.
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  Yee Ley Lau: 'cause with the voice workshops, what happened was I started crafting that.
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  Yee Ley Lau: My own, like my own way and influences from different teachers.
• 11:54
  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Not just the lady in London, but I went a lot of, on a lot of voice classes.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And I created this thing where someone sat in the middle and the other people, um, I invite them to then.
• 12:09
  Yee Ley Lau: Just follow their body intelligence and stand in proximity to the person in the middle.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So after a few warmups with their voice, I'm inviting them to tune into the person in the middle and gift whatever sound that wants to come through.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So the person in the middle may ask for something.
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  Yee Ley Lau: They go, I want more peace.
• 12:25
  Yee Ley Lau: I would like more joy, I want more confidence.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So it can be an emotion or an archetype.
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  Yee Ley Lau: And so the Sounders are then gifting and voicing, giving voices to that.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Request in response.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So that was happening parallel.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So it took me a while to go, hang on a minute.
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  Yee Ley Lau: I'm doing voice constellations where?
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  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah, and the constellation's all about relationships.
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  Yee Ley Lau: It's like it's always you and something or the people, emotions, situations, places.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So I just realized that.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Where people were standing were giving voice to perhaps unexpressed emotion, a conversation with the parent inspiration that wanted to come through.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So people were kind of like voicing those things.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So they, they were coming outta their mind of, oh, this is what it is.
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  Yee Ley Lau: But they were just being the conduits for the sound in the field in relation to the person receiving
• 13:19
  Tracy Cartwright: fabulous.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So, yeah, that's.
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  Yee Ley Lau: How, and then I was like, oh my God, there's a voice const.
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  Yee Ley Lau: I'm doing a some form of constellations with voice and sound.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful.
• 13:32
  Tracy Cartwright: And have you seen that evolve over time?
• 13:34
  Yee Ley Lau: I have.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So thanks to landing here in Nui.
• 13:39
  Yee Ley Lau: Um.
• 13:40
  Yee Ley Lau: 'cause I've moved around quite a lot in New Zealand.
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  Yee Ley Lau: I started creating, um, the class as a more regular class, like a choir format, which meant I could see the development of people and also their suggestions.
• 13:53
  Yee Ley Lau: 'cause I always ask people, what would you like to sound?
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  Yee Ley Lau: And we've been.
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  Yee Ley Lau: All over.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Like, I would like to sound motherhood.
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  Yee Ley Lau: I'd like to sound like, um, hurt or anger.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So quite interesting.
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  Yee Ley Lau: So one I get to embody is it comes back to the somatics, I guess the felt sense in the field.
• 14:10
  Yee Ley Lau: This is a really good practice to try, try a jacket on, sound it, and go, oh, okay.
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  Yee Ley Lau: I've integrated that or.
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  Yee Ley Lau: I that's now dissipated or it doesn't fit anymore.
• 14:21
  Yee Ley Lau: And we've done things like astrology.
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  Yee Ley Lau: You know, someone represent my son, my moon, my ascendant, and we've sounded that, so we've gone really ap.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Did they know
• 14:31
  Tracy Cartwright: what this their signs were or they just No, they didn't
• 14:33
  Yee Ley Lau: have to know.
• 14:34
  Yee Ley Lau: They just stood in the place of, yeah, of what that is for the person.
• 14:40
  Yee Ley Lau: We've sounded for the Wonga River here, we've sounded for how's wie feeling?
• 14:45
  Tracy Cartwright: Can we just touch on that?
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  Tracy Cartwright: Because.
• 14:48
  Tracy Cartwright: The Wang River is the only river in the world of farm, correct.
• 14:52
  Tracy Cartwright: That has a legal identity of a living being.
• 14:55
  Yee Ley Lau: That is correct,
• 14:57
  Tracy Cartwright: yes.
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  Yee Ley Lau: It's quite interesting.
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  Yee Ley Lau: I have so many
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  Tracy Cartwright: questions around that.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Fantastic.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So you sounded.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And Constellated for that.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah.
• 15:05
  Yee Ley Lau: From people for the mountain, and it's giving, for me, it's giving voice for the UN, for those that don't have a voice or have not been given a voice, which is the same.
• 15:14
  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah.
• 15:14
  Yee Ley Lau: Well, for me it's like you're speaking to constellations in that sense of what.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Was unconscious is being made conscious.
• 15:22
  Yee Ley Lau: What was hidden is now being seen, seen, felt, heard.
• 15:26
  Yee Ley Lau: I really love this.
• 15:27
  Yee Ley Lau: Where I'm coming to is like, oh, what am I, what?
• 15:30
  Yee Ley Lau: Sometimes you go, what the heck am I doing in consternation?
• 15:32
  Yee Ley Lau: What are we supposed to be doing here?
• 15:34
  Yee Ley Lau: So for me it's like we're really uncovering things and things are being seen, felt, heard in some way.
• 15:40
  Yee Ley Lau: Mm-hmm.
• 15:41
  Tracy Cartwright: I love that analogy of you put on a jacket and you sound it, and then you've integrated it and you can take it off.
• 15:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Being able to see or or hear your anger in the field and it might sound differently to what you are holding onto and think that it has to sound like, you know, like or the grief or,
• 15:59
  Yee Ley Lau: yeah, I love that.
• 16:00
  Yee Ley Lau: Absolutely.
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  Yee Ley Lau: There's been some really interesting ones where people think.
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  Yee Ley Lau: For example, angers are, I guess a quite a common one that's requested actually.
• 16:09
  Yee Ley Lau: Um, and I think it's gonna be this way, but actually I think actually, no, I think it's rage.
• 16:13
  Yee Ley Lau: Rage.
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  Yee Ley Lau: Um, they think it's gonna be look and sound a certain way, but when people drop into it and they tune into it, something else comes out.
• 16:22
  Yee Ley Lau: That's actually, it's like the thing sitting behind the rage and it's like creativity or passion or powers that, that it is, that, that has that flavor instead.
• 16:32
  Yee Ley Lau: And it's like, oh, that's really interesting.
• 16:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 16:35
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, you've got me thinking now, all sorts of things.
• 16:38
  Tracy Cartwright: How do you describe constellations or your style of constellations to someone who, who hasn't experienced it before?
• 16:46
  Yee Ley Lau: Good question.
• 16:46
  Yee Ley Lau: I'm having different variations depending on who the recipient is, but the one I'm using, the words I'm using is an experiential learning process.
• 16:56
  Yee Ley Lau: Where you get to uncover and understand the relationships and the terms and conditions that have been placed on those relationships.
• 17:06
  Yee Ley Lau: You get to review them to see if they're still valid and working for you.
• 17:12
  Yee Ley Lau: And we do that by representation through standing in the field to get, you get to stand in the field in your system or the systems to which you belong, gain a different perspective.
• 17:25
  Yee Ley Lau: So that's,
• 17:26
  Tracy Cartwright: and for someone who doesn't know what the field is, because I had a friend who who said to me, can you just explain some of this lingo that you talk about?
• 17:36
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 17:36
  Tracy Cartwright: It sounds a little cliquey like.
• 17:39
  Tracy Cartwright: 'cause she didn't understand the, you know, the, like when you say you're gonna be constellated or when you are going to have a constellation or, or the hot seat and what is the field, you know?
• 17:50
  Tracy Cartwright: So how do you describe it to people?
• 17:54
  Yee Ley Lau: Again, it depends with the recipient is so.
• 17:56
  Yee Ley Lau: I'm gonna tune in now just to see what words can come out with that will be useful for people listening.
• 18:01
  Yee Ley Lau: So for me, it's allowing oneself to tune into their own awareness.
• 18:05
  Yee Ley Lau: Mm-hmm.
• 18:06
  Yee Ley Lau: Like people use a field of field of consciousness.
• 18:08
  Yee Ley Lau: Really it's a field of awareness.
• 18:09
  Yee Ley Lau: So when you give your opportunity and give the yourself the time is supposed to tap into your own awareness.
• 18:16
  Yee Ley Lau: And there's a collective dynamic there that, you know, there'll be common themes like this.
• 18:22
  Yee Ley Lau: An experience that's happened like with your parents and the children, there's always some mainstream themes that we all resonate with or we all recognize or have experience, so, so it's kind like stepping into that field of your own awareness of, and the experiences that's in your own field, but also is available in the collective field.
• 18:44
  Yee Ley Lau: Great description.
• 18:46
  Tracy Cartwright: It's, it's just don repeat.
• 18:47
  Tracy Cartwright: Don't ask me to repeat what I've just said.
• 18:49
  Tracy Cartwright: It is, it is really, you're, you're absolutely right.
• 18:51
  Tracy Cartwright: It's like who you are with, how do you describe this?
• 18:54
  Tracy Cartwright: Where, what is their understanding?
• 18:56
  Tracy Cartwright: And sometimes you can start talking and you see the, they've gone blank.
• 18:59
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, okay.
• 19:00
  Tracy Cartwright: I need to reframe this in a different way.
• 19:02
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, absolutely.
• 19:03
  Tracy Cartwright: Come.
• 19:03
  Tracy Cartwright: I think
• 19:04
  Yee Ley Lau: that's what I've realized is.
• 19:07
  Yee Ley Lau: Even though I say it one way, it can be one way for someone who knows how, like you said, those words are familiar.
• 19:13
  Yee Ley Lau: If they're unfamiliar, then it's like, okay, and go, oh, I'm kind of checking out or even asking them what their background is.
• 19:20
  Yee Ley Lau: If they've come from, like me, I've come from an IT background.
• 19:23
  Yee Ley Lau: I can use that lingo.
• 19:24
  Yee Ley Lau: I can use that language.
• 19:26
  Yee Ley Lau: But if I don't, then I'm, you can see it on their face, huh?
• 19:30
  Yee Ley Lau: Like, is this landing?
• 19:32
  Yee Ley Lau: Not quite.
• 19:33
  Yee Ley Lau: And then maybe there's some metaphor that can be used in a language that's accessible to them.
• 19:38
  Yee Ley Lau: Um, so just finding out,
• 19:40
  Tracy Cartwright: yeah, I remember meeting, um.
• 19:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Lip Fung, I think it was, I think I've said his name right in Sydney years ago.
• 19:48
  Tracy Cartwright: And he described that in China because the young ones are no longer as connected to the ancestral, um, practices as their elders.
• 19:58
  Tracy Cartwright: And they, they weren't understanding what he was saying.
• 20:00
  Tracy Cartwright: So he's, he refers to.
• 20:03
  Tracy Cartwright: The field that we're working in right now as your wifi hotspot.
• 20:07
  Yee Ley Lau: Oh, yes.
• 20:07
  Yee Ley Lau: Oh yes.
• 20:08
  Yee Ley Lau: I remember you saying yes.
• 20:09
  Tracy Cartwright: And that worked really well.
• 20:10
  Tracy Cartwright: They were like,
• 20:11
  Yee Ley Lau: oh, yeah, yeah.
• 20:12
  Yee Ley Lau: And
• 20:12
  Tracy Cartwright: then they were saying, you know, like, we're going to, and in this work we will, you know, put things back into order.
• 20:18
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, like defragging your computer.
• 20:20
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, yeah.
• 20:21
  Tracy Cartwright: They, they got those.
• 20:22
  Tracy Cartwright: Terminologies.
• 20:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 20:24
  Tracy Cartwright: So it is putting it into a language that, um, you know, well, obviously it's not exactly the same, but it's it was similar enough that they could understand it.
• 20:33
  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:34
  Yee Ley Lau: That they could get the concept of what's happening and the components involved.
• 20:37
  Yee Ley Lau: Mm-hmm.
• 20:38
  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah.
• 20:38
  Yee Ley Lau: I think it's just practice.
• 20:40
  Yee Ley Lau: Like, you're gonna come, we were gonna come across different walks of life and go, okay, what analogy can I use here that resonates?
• 20:45
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 20:46
  Yee Ley Lau: And, uh.
• 20:47
  Tracy Cartwright: Do you have any facilitators that you're, that you've, um, worked with or that you've seen working online or something, someone that you would say, oh, that's one of my top favorite facilitators.
• 21:00
  Yee Ley Lau: I'm really, yeah.
• 21:02
  Yee Ley Lau: I find a lot of, there's a lot of facilitators I find inspiring and.
• 21:05
  Yee Ley Lau: I just love watching the different flavors and styles and that to even know that there are different flavors and styles.
• 21:12
  Yee Ley Lau: For start, I've been drawn to, like, I've done a little bit of journey with Suzy Tucker.
• 21:17
  Yee Ley Lau: I live, I love her poetic way.
• 21:21
  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah.
• 21:21
  Yee Ley Lau: Um, with words and, and how, how she speaks to things and I, the, the take homes I, I got from her.
• 21:29
  Yee Ley Lau: Well, one of the take homes was about how, when.
• 21:32
  Yee Ley Lau: People are speaking, they're often speaking in metaphors.
• 21:36
  Yee Ley Lau: So that's really helped me hone into the essence of what people are saying and yes, honoring their story, but not getting lost in their story, but listening to the symbolisms and the metaphors that are going on so we don't get caught in the story.
• 21:51
  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah.
• 21:51
  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah.
• 21:52
  Yee Ley Lau: I really enjoying, I'm really enjoying attending, um, Barry Cross, um, workshops.
• 21:57
  Yee Ley Lau: I like, um, that he.
• 22:00
  Yee Ley Lau: From a more educational teaching stance where he's presenting the topic and he does it, chunks it up by topic and that's really good.
• 22:07
  Yee Ley Lau: And then how that relates to the system.
• 22:10
  Yee Ley Lau: For me it has more of a, from my IT business analyst, um, brain, that it comes back to the systemic view.
• 22:18
  Yee Ley Lau: It looks quite co, it seems quite cold, but is if you look at it as systems and the flow, I can.
• 22:24
  Yee Ley Lau: Relate to that.
• 22:24
  Yee Ley Lau: And so the information, yeah.
• 22:26
  Yee Ley Lau: Gosh, who else I'm really enjoying me, Megan Kelly's approach.
• 22:30
  Yee Ley Lau: She's very gentle and I'm just fascinated'cause she also does, um, constellations with astrology and I'm just like, wow.
• 22:36
  Yee Ley Lau: Like, of course, it's again, relationships.
• 22:38
  Yee Ley Lau: It's all about relationships and how they impact the self.
• 22:42
  Yee Ley Lau: So there's kind
• 22:42
  Tracy Cartwright: of, I haven't, I haven't, I haven't witnessed that yet, but I am, I'm going to, and, uh, Megan's on my list of people that I'd love to, to interview as well.
• 22:51
  Tracy Cartwright: So.
• 22:52
  Tracy Cartwright: And
• 22:52
  Yee Ley Lau: I, I, I love, enjoy how she presents.
• 22:54
  Yee Ley Lau: Very calm, very safe.
• 22:55
  Yee Ley Lau: And I guess she also works with the somatic as well, and the nervous system stuff.
• 23:01
  Yee Ley Lau: And no, I, I just really find it, um, fascinating how people can apply seemingly abstract things, but make it relatable to the everyday life.
• 23:13
  Yee Ley Lau: I think that's the important thing.
• 23:14
  Tracy Cartwright: Great reminder about how all things are interconnected.
• 23:17
  Yee Ley Lau: Yes.
• 23:18
  Yee Ley Lau: So.
• 23:20
  Yee Ley Lau: I quite love dabbling into that quote unquote abstract, but again, that reminder of what's the symbolism and what's the, for me, what's the archetype?
• 23:31
  Yee Ley Lau: Here.
• 23:32
  Yee Ley Lau: You know, for example, you know, if an alien ate my homework, it's still, there's a still an archetype of a dominant figure and a, a, a subservient figure or something like that.
• 23:43
  Yee Ley Lau: And it's like, okay, what, what's playing out here?
• 23:45
  Yee Ley Lau: I'm just reading a silly example.
• 23:47
  Yee Ley Lau: But that's like what language is suitable for the seeker?
• 23:51
  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah.
• 23:52
  Yee Ley Lau: And then what works for the seeker?
• 23:53
  Yee Ley Lau: And it's like, okay.
• 23:55
  Yee Ley Lau: It's interesting.
• 23:55
  Yee Ley Lau: I, I love.
• 23:56
  Yee Ley Lau: Just getting down to the essence of what people are saying.
• 24:01
  Yee Ley Lau: What are they really saying?
• 24:03
  Tracy Cartwright: The hidden language?
• 24:04
  Yee Ley Lau: Yes.
• 24:05
  Tracy Cartwright: So with your IT background and your business analysis background, uh, you are now doing some work in constellations and business
• 24:15
  Yee Ley Lau: A
• 24:15
  Tracy Cartwright: little
• 24:16
  Yee Ley Lau: bit.
• 24:16
  Yee Ley Lau: I've kind of, because I have come from that corporate background, I guess people, um, associate there.
• 24:22
  Yee Ley Lau: That sounds weird saying that word.
• 24:23
  Yee Ley Lau: Corporate background, I think people relaxed a bit more, um, to revisit my life.
• 24:30
  Yee Ley Lau: Then, if that makes any sense to those people.
• 24:32
  Yee Ley Lau: 'cause that, and so yeah, I've been, I've been revisiting and even for myself, like business consultations that how's my business doing?
• 24:38
  Yee Ley Lau: And then, um, there's a lot of solo printers out there, small businesses.
• 24:43
  Yee Ley Lau: I wrote definitely feeling the heat and pressure in this, in this climate.
• 24:48
  Yee Ley Lau: So just exploring that a little bit and offering that out in the community.
• 24:51
  Yee Ley Lau: Um, and uh, yeah, it's been interesting.
• 24:54
  Yee Ley Lau: And again, it's all, all relationships, all all the business analysis stuff I did back in the day I was looking at.
• 25:00
  Yee Ley Lau: Processes and people are behind those processes and how they talk to each other or don't talk to each other.
• 25:06
  Yee Ley Lau: What's controlling the flow of communication, the data and the IT system.
• 25:12
  Yee Ley Lau: So they're all that, I guess I call it fractal view.
• 25:16
  Yee Ley Lau: 'cause the outer is in kind of also, um, versions of a smaller community.
• 25:24
  Yee Ley Lau: And then obviously internal, you know, our internal working.
• 25:27
  Yee Ley Lau: So having that view.
• 25:29
  Yee Ley Lau: From the business analyst to constellations and then applying it with that lens is quite fun.
• 25:35
  Yee Ley Lau: I like, yeah, I just love the application of this work.
• 25:38
  Yee Ley Lau: There's many things.
• 25:39
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, fantastic.
• 25:41
  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah, so you can have like, you know, the business, the, the person's vision, or if their language is sole vision or sole purpose.
• 25:48
  Yee Ley Lau: You put sole purpose, the business, the business owner, the offerings and target audience for example.
• 25:56
  Yee Ley Lau: And you can see the dynamics of that.
• 25:58
  Yee Ley Lau: Um, and one recently that she wanted to review her business, she felt like she was spinning too many plates.
• 26:04
  Yee Ley Lau: And then the other thing was money.
• 26:06
  Yee Ley Lau: So it's like, okay, let's break this down.
• 26:09
  Yee Ley Lau: What's your relationship with money like?
• 26:11
  Yee Ley Lau: And so if the person's willing and able to, 'cause you can keep it at business level.
• 26:15
  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah.
• 26:15
  Yee Ley Lau: But for me.
• 26:16
  Yee Ley Lau: You are your business.
• 26:18
  Yee Ley Lau: So whatever we've inherited from our family system, um, if you know Uncle Joe Flo is not, you know, lost their business back in the day, does that have some impact on our current choices and the way we handle and relate with business and money?
• 26:36
  Yee Ley Lau: So for those that are new to it, I guess it's like, you know, we can take them so far, like, oh yeah, they can see their relationship with money and in this case, this lady was willing to.
• 26:46
  Yee Ley Lau: And able to go, I want to go a bit further.
• 26:48
  Yee Ley Lau: Well, what's blocking?
• 26:49
  Yee Ley Lau: What is this block?
• 26:50
  Yee Ley Lau: And for her, the person came into mind and we didn't need to go deeper.
• 26:55
  Yee Ley Lau: It was, oh, I know who that is.
• 26:58
  Yee Ley Lau: Fantastic.
• 26:59
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 26:59
  Tracy Cartwright: 'cause you can look, uh, I, I've seen situations where people have been entangled with their grandparents or great grandparents who, who lost the farm and the depression, you know, and then that sense of struggle at end.
• 27:13
  Tracy Cartwright: Grief is tied up around money and belonging and, you know, and, and a sense of failure.
• 27:19
  Tracy Cartwright: So, and unconsciously, you know, the descendants carrying that and being entangled with, with those things too.
• 27:26
  Tracy Cartwright: So, yeah, it comes in all forms, doesn't it?
• 27:29
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 27:30
  Tracy Cartwright: And like you say, we are our business and often businesses, even some those big ones are, can be started as uh, family businesses and then they grow into being big corporate entities.
• 27:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Absolutely.
• 27:44
  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah.
• 27:44
  Yee Ley Lau: Entities, corporate entities, and yeah.
• 27:46
  Yee Ley Lau: You may have like, um, directors that have had their vision.
• 27:49
  Yee Ley Lau: They come with their vision, remodel the business.
• 27:52
  Yee Ley Lau: And then is there that buy-in, is there, um, do people have a, it's the same principles where you, you know, do people feel they belong?
• 28:00
  Yee Ley Lau: Is there a position for them?
• 28:02
  Yee Ley Lau: Are people doing more than one role?
• 28:04
  Yee Ley Lau: Some people feeling like they're doing two jobs, and then when the director leaves and the new one comes in, does that director have the same vision or do they want to take it somewhere else?
• 28:13
  Yee Ley Lau: So there's quite a lot of change in that.
• 28:16
  Yee Ley Lau: And with the people in it, like, do they still feel like.
• 28:19
  Yee Ley Lau: They belong to that tribe or they're still honoring the previous director.
• 28:23
  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah.
• 28:24
  Tracy Cartwright: And where do you see yourself going with this?
• 28:26
  Tracy Cartwright: Is this something that you are looking to pursue further or?
• 28:30
  Yee Ley Lau: I'm open.
• 28:31
  Yee Ley Lau: I'm open to be guided by the field.
• 28:33
  Yee Ley Lau: I always ask who and where can I be a contribution next?
• 28:37
  Yee Ley Lau: I mean, the people that tend to see me tend to be practitioners or therapists themselves at the moment.
• 28:44
  Yee Ley Lau: I'm open.
• 28:45
  Yee Ley Lau: Mm-hmm.
• 28:46
  Yee Ley Lau: Mainly people, it's people come forward, um, other ones that are feeling stuck and they want change.
• 28:51
  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah.
• 28:51
  Yee Ley Lau: So whether that's business or individuals or organizations, it's whoever's willing and able and ready to have a look in this way.
• 29:01
  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah.
• 29:03
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, it's such a good tool.
• 29:05
  Tracy Cartwright: There are so many avenues that you can implement constellations in.
• 29:08
  Tracy Cartwright: Ah, let me just check in.
• 29:11
  Tracy Cartwright: What else do I need?
• 29:12
  Tracy Cartwright: Does the field want me to ask today?
• 29:15
  Tracy Cartwright: Is there another way that you use constellations?
• 29:17
  Tracy Cartwright: So you use sound, you do that and you working with the business, and then only you do traditional constellations as well.
• 29:25
  Tracy Cartwright: Kind of if you, if you recall it, that.
• 29:28
  Tracy Cartwright: Is there another way that you incorporate it?
• 29:31
  Tracy Cartwright: Sound voice?
• 29:31
  Tracy Cartwright: Maybe.
• 29:32
  Tracy Cartwright: Maybe not.
• 29:32
  Tracy Cartwright: Maybe it's coming.
• 29:33
  Tracy Cartwright: 'cause I can feel like this.
• 29:34
  Tracy Cartwright: It's like there's something else.
• 29:36
  Yee Ley Lau: Garden Omes.
• 29:37
  Yee Ley Lau: No, I dunno.
• 29:38
  Yee Ley Lau: Know knows.
• 29:39
  Tracy Cartwright: Garden Omes.
• 29:40
  Tracy Cartwright: They could be quite handy to talk to Garden.
• 29:43
  Tracy Cartwright: No.
• 29:43
  Tracy Cartwright: When you're feeling into the field,
• 29:45
  Yee Ley Lau: I get well to, for me, I guess li Well, life is a constellation.
• 29:49
  Yee Ley Lau: It goes, it goes back to relationships.
• 29:51
  Yee Ley Lau: All are this.
• 29:53
  Yee Ley Lau: Plane of living is relational.
• 29:55
  Yee Ley Lau: Mm-hmm.
• 29:55
  Yee Ley Lau: So for me, like whether we have that objectified as in things represented, I know some people do internal constellations where it's in the mind's eye and it's it, that's it.
• 30:06
  Yee Ley Lau: We're shifting our internal image of what we think is or was into something else.
• 30:11
  Yee Ley Lau: So yeah, relationships to how we feel about our emotions, our choices.
• 30:17
  Yee Ley Lau: And I think the creative, I think what I love about this is the creative ways you can have that.
• 30:22
  Yee Ley Lau: Be seen, felt heard in some way.
• 30:25
  Yee Ley Lau: So whether that's people felt, felt pieces on the floor and we walk around life, if we're a, and this is something I've learned recent, well not, uh, reminded of recently, is strengthening the observer part of ourselves in life.
• 30:39
  Yee Ley Lau: So we can still have our body suit interact with another person because I like hello, but also have the observer part going Well.
• 30:48
  Yee Ley Lau: This is interesting dynamic.
• 30:50
  Yee Ley Lau: Mm. I'm now finding myself in this pattern.
• 30:53
  Yee Ley Lau: Wow.
• 30:54
  Yee Ley Lau: Geez.
• 30:54
  Yee Ley Lau: That's just like my mom and me, and I'm now have this person in my life.
• 31:00
  Yee Ley Lau: Then I'm now replicating that.
• 31:02
  Yee Ley Lau: And then you kind of, the observer's going, so what are you gonna do this time?
• 31:06
  Yee Ley Lau: Are you, you didn't play multiple things going if you can.
• 31:09
  Yee Ley Lau: I think that's the practice to go observer and life to go, wow, I just, I just repeated that, but this time I observed it.
• 31:19
  Yee Ley Lau: Mm-hmm.
• 31:19
  Yee Ley Lau: Next time it's like, I think I'm gonna say something different or I now I have more ease with this person.
• 31:25
  Yee Ley Lau: That's not gonna trigger me as much.
• 31:27
  Yee Ley Lau: Or now I'm gonna say something to go, here's my bound.
• 31:31
  Yee Ley Lau: You know, I don't accept that behavior in my life.
• 31:34
  Yee Ley Lau: There's just growth in so many different ways.
• 31:37
  Yee Ley Lau: I think.
• 31:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 31:38
  Tracy Cartwright: I is, is that, yeah.
• 31:40
  Tracy Cartwright: I did a bit of work around that with, um, through Eckhart Toley, through his, um, work and it was quite transformative to step into that observer space and being aware of patterns that I was repeating and, um, yeah.
• 31:57
  Tracy Cartwright: Great reminder.
• 31:57
  Tracy Cartwright: Thank you.
• 31:59
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay.
• 32:00
  Tracy Cartwright: Is there anything that you want to share that I haven't, um, delved into or that is sitting there for you?
• 32:07
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, before start, let's see, how can people get in touch with you?
• 32:10
  Tracy Cartwright: I'm gonna put your link in the comments, but if someone was listening to this and they wanted to.
• 32:16
  Yee Ley Lau: Bacon connects with me through Facebook.
• 32:19
  Yee Ley Lau: Business is called Light Your Life or LAU is the handle name.
• 32:23
  Yee Ley Lau: Instagram.
• 32:24
  Yee Ley Lau: My website are the main touchpoint and I do online sessions as well as in-person sessions.
• 32:32
  Yee Ley Lau: Hope to be traveling.
• 32:33
  Yee Ley Lau: Background New Zealand again.
• 32:35
  Yee Ley Lau: And
• 32:36
  Tracy Cartwright: yeah, let me know.
• 32:38
  Tracy Cartwright: Host you here.
• 32:38
  Tracy Cartwright: Absolutely.
• 32:39
  Tracy Cartwright: Magic.
• 32:40
  Tracy Cartwright: Um,
• 32:40
  Yee Ley Lau: Jesse, in response to your previous question, I think this is where I'm at at the moment, is learning how to really slow down and listen and like meditation's really helped me and that craft of the listening in the field.
• 32:57
  Yee Ley Lau: Yeah, that's what I, I'm learning how the art of the, the beauty and the power of slowing.
• 33:04
  Yee Ley Lau: Down and being with the thing that's show wanting to emerge.
• 33:09
  Yee Ley Lau: Mm. Because the thing I, I feels like for me, I've, I've realized for myself and noticed in others, it's like, oh yeah, I got this.
• 33:16
  Yee Ley Lau: And I'm like, sit there longer.
• 33:18
  Yee Ley Lau: And they go, oh.
• 33:18
  Yee Ley Lau: 'cause there'll be thoughts that come through and then sensations in the body.
• 33:24
  Yee Ley Lau: There's the wisdom that comes through beyond the thoughts.
• 33:29
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 33:30
  Yee Ley Lau: So the art of slowing down,
• 33:32
  Tracy Cartwright: which is, is not something that we tend to do a lot of in this modern day and age is it?
• 33:39
  Tracy Cartwright: But yeah.
• 33:39
  Tracy Cartwright: Great reminder.
• 33:40
  Tracy Cartwright: Great reminder.
• 33:42
  Tracy Cartwright: And do you have any events
• 33:44
  Yee Ley Lau: coming up?
• 33:45
  Yee Ley Lau: I will have, I'm gonna be start to put the monthly.
• 33:49
  Yee Ley Lau: Constellation sessions in here locally, and I'll look to do some more online ones.
• 33:55
  Yee Ley Lau: Again, it feels like spring energy is springing, so I hope to get them out soon.
• 34:00
  Yee Ley Lau: And there'll be voice related ones as well, so those that are curious about playing with their voice and constellations, we, yeah, I love, I love doing those.
• 34:12
  Tracy Cartwright: Great.
• 34:13
  Tracy Cartwright: Awesome.
• 34:14
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, thank you so much for.
• 34:16
  Tracy Cartwright: Spending some time with me.
• 34:18
  Tracy Cartwright: I love hanging out with you, so it's awesome to have you here and, uh, and great sharing.
• 34:24
  Tracy Cartwright: And yeah.
• 34:25
  Tracy Cartwright: So for the listeners, get in touch with the, if you are and have a look on her website and see, because like she said, she's gonna be doing a bit of a, a tour around New Zealand, so do yourself a favor and check out her dates and, and her events.
• 34:40
  Yee Ley Lau: So
• 34:40
  Tracy Cartwright: thank you Lee Yle.
• 34:42
  Yee Ley Lau: Thanks
• 34:42
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