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#107: The future's so bright I gotta wear shades · Blind Guys Chat

• 0:14
  Welcome to blind guys Chest, where this guy, Orrin O'Neil.
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  Hello.
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  And this guy, Jan Bloom.
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  Hello.
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  Talk about the a to z of life.
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  Well, hello, ladies and gentlemen, and you're very welcome to episode 107 of Blind Guys sat. Now, unfortunately, Pugot did not make a 107.
• 0:39
  No, it's the 208.
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  I think we have to wait for the 208.
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  Yeah, because 207 didn't make it or something. Or the 204.
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  No, that's. There was no 204 nowhere.
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  No, I don't.
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  Anyway, we're going to hear later on from Roxio Quesada from Spain, Roccio. Rocky.
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  Rocky or Rocio, I don't know. She's Spanish. Yes, that explains a lot.
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  She's going to be talking about her latest film, Rocky five or seven or whatever that's called. No, she's great. She's a localization of language and spanish language in Spain. And we had a great interview with her during the week, so stay tuned for that.
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  Especially for when you like guide dogs, you know.
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  Oh, yeah, she actually stole one from France.
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  Yeah, yeah, she's on the international list, you know. Oh, poor Rossio. Sorry, Rosseo.
• 1:42
  Well, you probably heard this news already, but just in case you haven't, ladies and gentlemen, we got some good news earlier this week from be my eyes. Be my eyes have teamed up with men who are basically Facebook and they are going to be. They've amalgamated the Be my eyes app or will shortly amalgamate the be my eyes app into.
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  It's a nice word. How do you say that? Emiguated?
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  Amalgamated. To join. To merge. Coy, I think.
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  Yeah, sophisticated.
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  Claire's not here, so she could have corrected us on.
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  Yeah, that's true, but I was not aware. What do you.
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  Yeah, I'm just saying I'm rising up.
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  Yeah.
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  But the idea is that when you buy a pair of these meta ray ban glasses, which you can. Which is basically the same as the ray ban glasses, but they have a little camera in, I presume. I don't know if it's right in the nose of the bridge or is it on the side of the glasses?
• 2:42
  I think it's in the nose when you make.
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  So supposedly you'll be able to say like, hey, meta, call a volunteer or something. Voice control. And then the volunteer will be able to see this camera that's located on these meta ray ban glasses. And then you can talk to this person, this volunteer, because you. I think they're bone conducting headphones that are just over your ears. And you will be able to be guided with what you are seeing, and the volunteer will see exactly the same thing, which is brilliant. And I understand that later on. Now, I didn't read this today, but I heard later on, sometime next year, they will also bring in the AI technology. So that if, for instance, I suppose, I don't know if you're looking for cross the road or something or you want to find the traffic light or you want to use more of the AI technology, rather than calling a volunteer, you will be able to do that as well.
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  Did you ever try to call a volunteer via be my eyes? I've done it.
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  Yes, I do. Yeah. Yeah. I've done it. Yeah.
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  Oh. And how is the. What is the experience?
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  What I would say about it is it can be hit and miss, as we would say here.
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  Oh, yeah. Yeah. You can be lucky.
• 3:54
  It really depends on the person you get. And it's not. It's not in no way to be critical of the people who are volunteering. Some of them, you know, some people, I think can immediately guess that you don't have any vision and, you know, you need a little bit more help. I've. Where I kind of started using it initially was when I'd be going up to taking Larry for a walk and we'd have to put something in the post for Clodagh. And the post box was outside of our estate. So I would call be my eyes then and ask them to find the post box for me. Yeah. And I mean, it works out very well. But there was a couple of occasions where I think one of the problems was they were looking for a different color post box. So it depends what country they're in and you're in. So I think our ones are green or something. And I know he was kind of saying, maybe I had the color wrong. Maybe I said, oh, you're looking for an orange box or something like that. And they said, oh, I can't see anything orange, but, you know, there is something green down there. So maybe that's it. Maybe that's it. I don't know.
• 4:57
  And they speak all English then?
• 4:59
  They all speak English, yeah. Yeah. And it's very often that I get somebody who's Irish.
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  Really?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  That's funny. And is there a limit to your, for the time you can make use of this?
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  No, not as far as I'm aware. I mean, I've heard of stories of people who have two days, two days later, there was a story very early on about a woman who had brought her iPad to her child's football game and she just wanted to. She called be my eyes, just to see if they could tell her where he was, just, you know, what number he was. And the guy who answered, she panned around with the camera and he said, yeah, there's number seven, or whatever, and he's standing where he was in the pitch. And she said, oh, great, thank you very much. And he said, no, hang on, I'll describe the match for you. I don't know what else to do. So he did that very, very kindly for her. These glasses. I just looked on Amazon before we went on air, and if you want to buy a standard pair of ray ban wayfarers, which I think were the first style that were available in english pounds, they are 329 pounds, about €394. Okay.
• 6:21
  But that is not so exclusive or whatever. Yeah, it is.
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  Whereas when you look at. Yes, but when you're looking at envision, the glasses, I think are around €3000.
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  Exactly.
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  So I would wonder or envision a bit miffed now, are they going to have to up their game in terms of the service? And maybe this is why they have teamed up with IrA. Maybe this is part of the whole deal, is that you're getting a live volunteer and you can use the AI technology in envision with those glasses. But I think it's a bit of a shot and bit of a shot for those who are creating the wearables. And now all you'll have to do is just buy these ray ban glasses.
• 7:04
  And Ireland is one of the countries?
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  Ireland is one of the countries, yeah. So I think it's Canada, uS, Canada, Ireland, parts. Some parts of Europe. I don't. I don't think. I didn't see the Netherlands being mentioned.
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  No, no, no.
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  But I'm sure that that's only going to be a matter of time.
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  Yeah. And is it? Do you know whether it's connected to your mobile or do you need to continue to have your smartphone?
• 7:27
  Oh, yeah. No, I think it's connected to the mobile. So they say in their bump. I'm not sure if this is literally the case, but they say for the meta glasses anyway, you need a 5g connection. I'm not sure if that's actually true. Will 4g do you? But yes, to use the meta glasses as they are now, you need mobile. And I suppose you look at it this way, you're also getting a pair of sunglasses that, you know, you want to protect your eyes anyway on those sunny days and you're getting these, these smart glasses and, you know, you don't have to use it for I am assuming that this will integrate with, as we'll go on to now, iOS 18. And then I'm presuming that Siri will be able to tell you. If you want to take a photograph, for instance, I'm assuming that Siri will be able to tell you, look left, look right, or you need to move your head left or right when you're wearing these glasses. So I think the potential for this is great. Well, tell me, have you upgraded to iOS 18 at the moment recently?
• 8:31
  Yes, my friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did. And how does it look? It's a good one, according Tjo, because he pushed me a little bit. Are you alright? And then I was earlier than him because he, he did it in nighttime. But you need to approve also again, whatever, an extra step. So I was earlier than him and so he was a little bit negative about it. I was, you know, but then he said, it looks so nice that. Oh, yeah. You know, because I don't see really much differences, to be honest. It is since also theory with AI that is not in our countries, you know, that is. It is different. But yeah, it is more of the same. Voiceover has a little bit the rotor. It is doing not languages, but it says voices. So you switch voices. Now the braille input when you have sideways, so you can type braille on the actual iPhone, that really has changed. That is improved. It has more sounds as well. So that is quite an improvement. They put more advertising into that. It seems also that to look for an app, I found then the app, for example, and then I want to press enter, but then it does not really make sense. It doesn't do it. So perhaps a listener can.
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  If you're in braille keyboard mode, can.
• 10:16
  We throw Daryl Laurel Friday? Yeah, because please help me out.
• 10:24
  Yeah. How do you press enter if you're in braille mode? On the IO? On the iPhone?
• 10:29
  Yeah. For starting up an epic, because it is quite useful because you know where to go. And Siri, it's not really helpful because it's sometimes misunderstanding me.
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  All right, well, we hear from our guest. You can email blindguyschatmail.com or tweet us at blindguyschat if you have any comments or questions.
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  We are now with a special guest that I have the honor to introduce to you, Madame Rocio Casati from Madrid, Spain. Rosio, nice to meet you. And also nice to speak to you in this, the blind guy chat.
• 11:08
  Hello, Rocio.
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  Thank you for your invitation. Nice to be here with you.
• 11:13
  Ooh la. La, la. You're sounding already very formal, you know, because I know you already for a long time. Rocio is my colleague from. From Spain and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 11:27
  Sorry about that, Rocio.
• 11:29
  Nothing we can do about it now. There is a big distance, you know, from. From Madrid to Den Hake, where we. Where I live. But Rocio is responsible for the localization into Spanish of our software and manuals, etcetera, isn't it, Rosio? But we always start with one big question, Rocio, and that we are always keen to know. How is the weather in Madrid?
• 11:57
  Oh, it's really autumn right now. Very nice temperature, maybe Max 20. It's yesterday it rained heavily, but not for a long time. But it was a nice rain because I think Madrid always needs the rain and we hadn't had any for a few months now. So I welcomed it, even if my dog got wet and I got a bit wet too, but it was.
• 12:28
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. Because in the summertime you escape really, to the countryside.
• 12:35
  I try, yes, you try now. Not. Not so much that in. As in previous summers, but yeah, this. This summer at least all of August. I'm not. I have not been here.
• 12:47
  No, because where would you head to? Have you got a villa in the north of Spain somewhere? That's what I.
• 12:53
  No, no, that's what I want to have when I win the lottery, you know, not for the moment.
• 12:59
  You do a play with the lottery of onse or once you.
• 13:03
  Not really. That is a problem. It's like the joke we have, you know? God, God, please make me win the lottery. Yes, but you have to buy the ticket.
• 13:11
  Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But where is your villa now, Rosio?
• 13:17
  I know, but please, it's in a region in. In the west of Spain, very close. Well, close to Portugal. And it's hot there, but we have a swimming pool and I'm with my mom and my family and I'm taken care of. And it's nice, although it's a bit too hot, but. Well, this summer I've also been somewhere where it was a bit cooler because it's in the mountains. So we try to choose places where it's not so hot, you know.
• 13:49
  How cool does it get then in Madrid during autumn and winter then?
• 13:54
  Well, it used to be much colder than it. Than it is now. This is what I really think. We can notice the climate change because of the winters, because it could be years ago, it could be minus four, stuff like that. But now it's raining even in Madrid, in the city, I've been waiting for the bus at 630 or so, at minus four, but now that's not common at all.
• 14:22
  And snow, you have snow as well?
• 14:24
  Rarely. We used to have more snow than now after Filomena. Remember that, you guys? In 2021.
• 14:32
  Yeah, that was the storm.
• 14:35
  And there was snow all over Madrid. And everybody criticized politicians because we were not ready. But I mean, how could we be ready? That's ridiculous. That never happens to. You're gonna have those cleaning machines, snow cleaners or whatever.
• 14:52
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Like crazy. If we're not gonna use them, it doesn't make any sense.
• 14:56
  So, yeah, we're never prepared in Ireland for snow either. And the three things that are usually bought when it starts snowing is toilet roll, bread and milk. Yeah, that seems to be the only thing people need when there's snow in.
• 15:15
  Oh, really?
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  Yeah.
• 15:16
  Oh, that's fine.
• 15:17
  Don't need anything else. All of a sudden we're out of bread, milk and toilet roll.
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  Okay, okay. Those are the main basics then, for irish people then. My God, I thought it was irish whiskey that they were, but probably that's what they stoked themselves already.
• 15:31
  Exactly. That's.
• 15:32
  Well, yeah. Okay.
• 15:34
  How long have you been working for Prospero, then?
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  Well, from 2007, so quite a while now.
• 15:41
  Quite a while.
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  And before rocio was working for Onse, Orenae and onse. Yeah. And onse is the famous. Well, we all know, I think, onse from the wheeler, you know, the. Yeah. Is that correct English with the Wheeler, the Viking group, you know.
• 16:05
  Yeah. So tell us about the translation into. Into Spanish, then. What's your role entail on a. What are you doing on a day to day basis.
• 16:15
  Mainly? Well, there are changes in the translation or features that added. And I have to take care of all that every day. I have to look and see what's new. I also test new features. I take care of braille issues, too. And sometimes I get manuals, you know, big documents to translate for different devices. We have could be braille displays, magnifying devices or whatever. So I usually take care of that.
• 16:53
  Well, Rosio is also my first passionate colleague, who is also very passionate about braille.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  I'm going to ask you because I haven't asked this question in many, many months because we haven't really been talking about braille so much. But in your view, then, given that you're working for a prospero, this could be a bit of a troubled answer from your part. Do you prefer a Perkins braille keyboard on a braille display? Or would you be inclined to look at a QWERTY keyboard and a braille display unit? Do you favor these new devices that are coming up which are not Perkins braille keys on a braille display but are something like the mantis where it's a keyboard, a QWERTY keyboard.
• 17:45
  My personal view is a Perkins keyboard and the computer keyboard. A QWERTY keyboard. Well, I don't say could not be used for some people, but I would rather use the normal keyboard on my computer. And because you can choose right which keyboard you want, either extended or smaller or whatever, and have your braille display. And if you. I don't with my telephone, I use the Perkins keyboard with my telephone, but on the computer I don't use it. I use the computer keyboard and I just use my braille display without a keyboard. I would do with a braille display without a keyboard at all, but just for my computer. The problem would be if I want to use that with my telephone, I would want to have it because we write a lot to, with a telephone, but I'd rather keep it to the, to the computer keyboard. But I understand that this is a matter of taste, you know.
• 18:48
  Yeah. Oron is a favor of the QwErty keyboard.
• 18:51
  Yeah.
• 18:52
  So just because I'm slower on, on the Perkins and on typing.
• 18:56
  Yeah, but that's it. I don't type with the Perkins keyboard.
• 18:59
  Yeah, yeah. See, I want to, I want to drive my computer with, with the focus 40 that I have, but I just can't type to respond to an email or write a document as quickly as I can if I have a QWERTY keyboard in front of me.
• 19:14
  Of course, that is true. I don't do that. You know, I use the computer keyboard because actually, if you want to do everything, you know, control all, of course you can do it. But I find it very convoluted if.
• 19:26
  You scuttle men playing.
• 19:27
  No, that's too many. Too many chords. Too many. No, no.
• 19:32
  You are really an advocate of braille, etcetera, because you read also a lot of books in braille, isn't it, Rocio? Do you do that more on paper or more digital as well?
• 19:45
  No, I've been doing digital, but that for many, many, many years. And actually for practical reasons, because carrying around all those big volumes, I used to get braille books from the English Library of New York. Then when it was absorbed by the. Sorry, maybe I shouldn't say this, but anyway, RNIB. Then problems started. No, I cannot send you this because of the copyright. No, I cannot send you that. And I understand, but I do. I did my whole college degree with the books that the english library sent me, american literature, everything. And I know probably. Probably that was not exactly allowed, but they sent them to me, and otherwise I could not have really passed that course. I mean, there would have been no way.
• 20:41
  But anyway, what did you study then, Rocio?
• 20:46
  Well, I study in my town, actually, where the university is small and it's not famous, but it's really a good one for my degree.
• 20:57
  Okay.
• 20:58
  That was english language and literature.
• 21:00
  Okay.
• 21:01
  Yeah. Because really, we were not so many students. Well, maybe a hundred or, you know, per course, class, whatever.
• 21:12
  Okay. Yeah.
• 21:13
  And teachers took care that we learned good English. We were always encouraged to go to England in the summer to get, to improve our English. And you could see that at the. At the end of the degree.
• 21:30
  Yeah.
• 21:31
  People really could kind of master the language. So. Yeah, but then after that, I went to the US, and I spent. I did a master's degree in translation and interpretation in California. But that was later, after I finished my first master ma in Spain, then I did another one.
• 21:50
  You are a real traveler then, Rocio? Yeah. You travel. And how do you travel? Are you on your own, Rocio, or what kind of mobility do you use?
• 22:02
  Well, no, I use my dog. I walk with my dog.
• 22:08
  You walk with your dog?
• 22:09
  I walk with my dog.
• 22:11
  Ah, so you are using it. And what is the name and the. The brand, I would say, but the breeding of. The breeding of your dog? What kind of.
• 22:21
  Well, I have Nosha. She's a black lab, and she's French. Actually, Nosha is my fourth dog. Actually, I've had a dog since I was 21.
• 22:36
  Wow.
• 22:36
  So, yeah.
• 22:38
  And you're not now 25, so that's.
• 22:41
  No, I'm a bit older than that, you know. Yeah. And so my third dog, my third dog was from a small school in Spain that is not in operation anymore. And he was fine. He was. He had some stomach problems, but not very serious. Anyway, I lost him a week before lockdown with the pandemic, you know, and, well, things were difficult back then.
• 23:12
  Yeah.
• 23:13
  My dog was not from the school at onset, and so they. They did not consider me a replacement student, as they said in the US.
• 23:23
  Like I, because Bruno was not, because.
• 23:26
  Bruno did not belong to them. And they have this, this policy which is not shared by all schools, but they. They apply this. So I appealed to them, but they said, well, because of that and also because of the lockdown and all that, stuff. They said they would not be able to help me for maybe two years or so. And I had always had a dog. Of course, you can live without a dog, but for me it was really hard. I was so used to walking with a dog. And so a friend who had worked with guide dog schools and stuff told me to call. To call the school at Bordeaux in France.
• 24:13
  Okay.
• 24:14
  And I contacted them and I explained my situation. One of the first questions the director asked me was, do you think you have authority over dogs? Yes, I hope so. This would be my fourth dog and says, okay, send all your documentation, required documentation, immediately, because we may have dogs for you. And this was June, and I sent all the paperwork, all that. And they called me and said, could you come in July for a pre visit? You know, prestige, they call it. Where to meet your dog, you, you.
• 25:02
  Or to introduce. To be introduced to it.
• 25:06
  Yeah, for the tests. Because you take tests. You test. Take tests with. With a white cane too.
• 25:13
  Yeah.
• 25:13
  To see if you can handle your mobility skill. Yeah.
• 25:17
  Okay.
• 25:17
  Okay. You talk to a psychologist too. They ask you all kinds of questions. Well, in Spain you do that too, but it's a bit different. But they're here.
• 25:28
  I. That's probably why I have a dog.
• 25:32
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:34
  No, all of us could just not have a dog because of that, oren, believe me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. And actually you test dogs. They give you dogs to. To walk with, and they ask you, what do you like this dog? And the first dog they gave me, well, yes, I think I could adjust. No, no, we don't want to know if you could adjust or not. You're not offending anybody. Tell us what you like about this dog and what you don't like. So that's what I did.
• 26:07
  How many did you get? How many?
• 26:10
  Probably three the first day. Three the second day.
• 26:14
  Okay.
• 26:14
  And one of the dogs that I tested was. Was Nosha.
• 26:18
  Yeah.
• 26:19
  And I said, you like? I say, I love her. I mean, she's perfect for me. What is it you like? She's fast, she doesn't hesitate. Okay. Many things. So the next day they said, okay, you're gonna test this dog. This dog and also Nosha again. And you still like her? I love her.
• 26:36
  They were teasing you, actually.
• 26:38
  No, but they said they. Not necessarily. They would give you the dog you liked or the dog you tested. That dog could even be assigned to another person already. But they wanted to know your profile, you know, to find the best suitable dog for you. So I left for Spain, and then they came to Spain to evaluate my cane skills again, because in France, I was. Yeah, in France, I was so nervous that I think I said something wrong about the traffic. I don't know what that was, you know, because I was really stressed out. I said, they're not going to give me the dog. I was like, you know, really stressed out. So they came to Spain, and they saw that everything was okay. And the mobility instructor who came said, which thought you said, you like, was that not. She said, yes. And I didn't dare ask what she given to someone already. I didn't ask anything. Okay. And so this was September 8, 2020. Okay.
• 27:41
  Yeah.
• 27:41
  And he said, someone will call you at the end of the month. I said, okay. And three days later, the director called me and said, could you come on the 20th? We're giving you no shot. And I jumped alone. I just cried here, you know, alone in the house, you know, I was so happy.
• 28:04
  So that was just over a month between when you contacted the amazing guide dog organization and when you got your fourth dog. That's amazing.
• 28:18
  That's.
• 28:19
  I am extremely grateful to them. I was lucky, you know, because then I knew that Nosha was not suitable to everybody. They said, in general, people did not say, I want her because she's too fast and a bit crazy, you know, but I love her. She's a great, great guy. Believe me, those dogs are the best because they have so much energy. They are always on the alert, and they're great observers. And Nosha is a fantastic guide, you know, a great dog, but a great guide, too.
• 28:56
  Chef knows Nosha as well. Oh, yeah, they met. Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:02
  And how long was the training then? In Ireland, the training period is about three weeks.
• 29:07
  Well, in principle, it's a week there, and then the trainer comes over with you for another week. But in my case, everything was so different. I was there for four days and a half.
• 29:19
  Yeah.
• 29:20
  And when. When that was over, we were told that the trainer could not come because actually, Madrid started to be locked down by districts, and the school decided that it's too dangerous. We cannot allowed our workers to go there and get the virus and stuff like that. And I understood there are two choices. Either you leave Nosha here and we keep it for you. And my face was like. They started laughing because I didn't say anything. They just looked at me. She said, no, or you take her with you. And without the hard. I mean, with the hardness. But you cannot work until we can go.
• 30:03
  Okay.
• 30:04
  Okay. And I say, no, no, I'm not leaving her. Here. I remember my family, a family member told her, I don't let go of her, Ruthie, under any circumstances. Don't worry, I'm taking her with me, you know. So we came back and it was a week, another week in ten days. We were just walking, going for walks with other people without the harness.
• 30:26
  And I said, without harness?
• 30:28
  Yeah.
• 30:29
  I mean, you really did that? I was.
• 30:31
  No, no, no.
• 30:32
  I thought, you know, you simply. Nobody sees it. And then I hope I.
• 30:35
  No, no, no, no. You are so you have to be legal. You have.
• 30:40
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:41
  The school.
• 30:42
  You learned us a lesson now.
• 30:46
  I mean, the school had trusted me. They had done me a huge favor. I was so grateful. I could not really betray.
• 30:55
  No.
• 30:56
  You know, they're there.
• 30:58
  You're right.
• 30:59
  No, I could not do that. So I went for walks with other people. But I saw this. Nosha wants to work. I mean, this is. So in ten days, I called the school and I asked for permission to make very small routes, whatever. And they say, okay, and they said this because you've been so honest and you asked and you didn't do it without permission. We say yes. And because you were a great team and we saw how well Nosha was working for you and how well the match was and everything. We allow it. And they were amazed, you know, Nosha was, like, working super well. And in the. In the. In the. In the underground, I sent videos. Nocha had never used it because in. In Bordeaux there's no. There are trains, but not that.
• 31:50
  I think you speak French quite well, because when you say Bordeaux, you say Bordeaux, you know, you hear that, Oren? It's really like you speak French.
• 31:59
  I'm just wondering. What I'm just wondering is, were you not in lockdown as well at this stage? It was.
• 32:05
  It was by district. You could walk. Walk through your district. And actually, I was not sure exactly where my district ended. And so I think I. In that, I think I did. No, no idea. You know, I said, and maybe one. One side of the street was my district and the other was not. Believe me, that was very strange.
• 32:27
  Basically, your. Your district started in Madrid but ended in Naples.
• 32:31
  Yeah, yeah, something like that. I don't think I completely disobeyed. Probably. I had not.
• 32:39
  I'm. You say you. You do the underground, but are there lifts all over the place, Rosio?
• 32:50
  No, we have. When the lines are not too deep, you know. Yeah, it's normal, normal, normal stairs. And if there's two. Two way, way down there, then you have escalators or lifts escalate this.
• 33:07
  Can you go and. Sorry. Go on. I know what the question is going to be, because I have the same question, but you go ahead.
• 33:13
  No, I leave the honor to you.
• 33:26
  We need to interpret it. I think.
• 33:28
  I think Oren wants to ask, you know, if you take the escalator with nausea.
• 33:35
  Ah, yes, we do.
• 33:37
  Oh, yes, it is. Yes. Wow.
• 33:39
  Yes, perfectly. I've done that with my four dogs. Really? She's been trained for that.
• 33:46
  But there are no escalators in Bordeaux, you say, oh, no. Underground. Okay. Yeah.
• 33:52
  No, but there are escalators at the airport and in.
• 33:55
  That's true.
• 33:57
  In shopping centers.
• 33:58
  But what is then your procedure then, CEO? You tell her.
• 34:02
  You tell her search data p. And she goes to the. To the beginning, you know, of the escalator. And when she's there, you stop. You. You make sure that you are at the right place. You say, Anna Van. And she would go, yeah.
• 34:16
  You let the dog jump.
• 34:19
  Yes, I do. You. You. You cannot just grab the dog. No, you have to go loose with the dog so that she has room to jump, you know? And you. You have to be on the alert to go after her. Yeah, of course. It depends on if you. If you are afraid that that's not gonna work. If you are a person who are not very agile, you would say, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe not. That's not for everybody, but in general.
• 34:54
  But I think you have always gotten one burning issue. You have always a parachute in your back.
• 35:03
  No, no.
• 35:03
  When you're jumping, you, you know, you never know.
• 35:05
  No helmets. No parachute.
• 35:07
  No helmet.
• 35:08
  No, no, no.
• 35:09
  Oh, sorry. I'm.
• 35:10
  And I mean, one piece.
• 35:11
  You know, I think we need to ask also listeners, oren, if they have also, we know from Nora in Boston. In Boston. But from other listeners, we can ask as well if they have these kind of good experiences.
• 35:26
  That's a. I understand from Jan that you are quite a music buff and you like opera and classical music and such. Does Dougie go with you to the concert hall?
• 35:42
  Yeah, yeah.
• 35:43
  Grin and bear it. Or does Dougie like the music as well?
• 35:46
  Well, I don't. I don't go to the opera itself. I go to orchestras, piano concerts, recitals and leader.
• 35:57
  Have you been at one of Jan's piano recitals? No, thank you.
• 36:03
  Thank God. That's better. Also, I will go, oh, la, la, la. Yeah. When I play piano, you know, on a weekly basis, basically here, half an hour. Then when it's enough, after Chef knows exactly 30 minutes, then he walks up, you know, put his head on my lap, you know, and then he said, you know, it's time to go now.
• 36:31
  That's amazing.
• 36:32
  Yeah, it's really funny.
• 36:33
  Yeah. In terms of braille in, in Spain, what's the, what's the state of play, as we would say here? Are there, is it popular? Is it diminishing in terms of people reading and writing embrail?
• 36:46
  Well, there are many people using it because I know many people have the focus, but I think it was more my generation and younger generations that have used it. And from what I've heard, now they're promoting braille. But I mean. What do you mean, promote braille? That sounds like, like if you promote, I know, reading or eating, you know, to me. But anyway, lately, or in the, you know, in the latest years, children have not used braille that much. Probably. There are many, many low vision children now, many more than totally blind people.
• 37:29
  Yeah.
• 37:29
  And that means that there's this trend that they should use their vision as much as they can, which is great, you know, but some of them, many of them lose, lose sight with age. And I think everybody should be ready because, really, Braille adds another dimension. You know, I have friends who, when they write something and they say, no, this is written like this, or this is because they've never seen it written.
• 38:00
  Oh, just what a spelling, you mean?
• 38:01
  Exactly. Or new words or names of people or of applications, whatever, they don't write it well because they've never seen it. To me, for languages, Braille is very important to learn a language.
• 38:16
  Rocio, we can talk like ages with you. It is big fun, and we share a lot of passions, especially braille and guide dogs, in a way, and far more. But thank you very much for your time. We enjoyed this very. We learned a lot, to be honest, and I think life goes on, even with the training the guide dog for the escalator. I will really move on with this one. But many thanks again, and then hope to see you again once in a while at the blind guys chat.
• 38:52
  Okay. Thank you. It's been a pleasure, really. Bye bye.
• 38:57
  Thanks, Rocky.
• 38:58
  Rocio Rossio.
• 38:59
  Yeah, Rocio, we wish you best with the film.
• 39:03
  Yeah, yeah. Rocky eleven. No, when you. When you meet Rocio, you will. Well, it is not a rocky kind of girl, you know. No, she's very like a wonderful. Yeah, yeah.
• 39:18
  Beautiful person.
• 39:19
  You see her playing a real concerto, you know, at the piano.
• 39:23
  Oh, really?
• 39:24
  At the, at stage? Yeah. And then the dog, Nooshka, is laying next to her, like chef is doing with my piano lessons, you know, and that's after 30 minutes easy. Walking up to the. And put his head on my lap. Time to go now. You know.
• 39:47
  We'Ve got, we've only got a little bit of time left. We're going to just mention some things in the news that you may be interested in coming up shortly. If you remember, we were talking to Amos Miller from Glidance recently in episode 106. And he has confirmed to us, we will reconfirm this again, but he has let us know that he will be at site village London.
• 40:15
  Oh, that's great.
• 40:16
  On the 5 November. So that's site village London on the 5 November in the town hall, Kensington. So he will have the glide there. And I can't wait. I'm. We're going over hopefully and Jan hopefully and we can see what it's all about because I said there'll be a lot of people very interested in that. Also there is an event.
• 40:39
  Yeah, November 6. Yeah, November 6.
• 40:41
  November 6. Yeah, November. That week is going to be very busy for us.
• 40:44
  Yeah, it's a really busy.
• 40:46
  Yeah. Because the week before you're coming to Ireland.
• 40:48
  Yeah.
• 40:49
  So on November 6 we have Stuart from sight and sound, Stuart Lawlor and ourselves, blind guys chat and also beautiful women from Vespero, Rachel and Liz are all going to be doing a webinar, a sight and sound webinar on teams. So if you remember, which you may not remember Jan and I and Stuart, but this is where I am at yan. But Stuart got us, two of us together to do a teams webinar back in 2020 for sight and sound. So we think that, well, Stuart thinks it because there's been some changes with the teams that we should do another one and Jan and I are going to be there.
• 41:31
  We are helping him. You know, there's no problem.
• 41:33
  He needs a lot of help. But that's going to be on the 6 November. So watch out for your. I think there may have already been some communication from sight and sound about that. But if you don't know where to get a link in the mail.
• 41:48
  And will be a part of also shark fember.
• 41:50
  Oh, shark fember. Of course.
• 41:51
  Yeah. You know, freedom, scientific. Fitzperro is doing this shark femur again like last year. Yeah. That you can, they organize all kind of items and also that you can bring up the next big thing, isn't it? Yeah, the next big thing.
• 42:07
  And the last one I want to be just before we go again, I don't know why we're promoting Stuart so much on this show, but Stuart Lawler, sight and sound have an assistive technology event. They had one last year in Grange Gorman in Dublin and this is happening again. It's the 9 November in Dublin. Grange Gorman will be the location and it's sight and sound and they will have most, if not all of their products available for you to look at and peruse and give a go at and see if you like it and get your checkbook out and buy some.
• 42:43
  And you can meet up with Stuart again, you know, so like, again, if.
• 42:47
  You want to know about that. Sure. I know he did send out a, something in the newsletter about that event, but I would go to the site and sound website just to check that out. And again, if you have any, if you do have any difficulties, give us a, give us a bell, give us an email blindguyschatmail.com and I can send on the information to you if you wish.
• 43:05
  Hey, what? I have another because I was at the symposium last week and it was. Marcel Janssen was there, you know. You know, he was celebrating an anniversary with Ficcio.
• 43:16
  40 years, wasn't it?
• 43:17
  Yeah. And then we. When, when he was at stage, you know, we were in the audio audience, etc. The. How do you say that? The burgameter. The chairman of the local government.
• 43:31
  Oh, is he the mayor?
• 43:33
  That's. Thank you very much. Yeah. So he was there and he was so official, my God, dressed up, etc. And then he was giving a. How do you do that in correct English? Help me please, Oren, that he got an ring in the, you know, of the Royal Highness gave him. So he's not Sir Marcel, but he was an officer the royal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he was so proud. And his wife was, Marelle was there as well. So congratulations to Mister Marrell.
• 44:11
  That's lovely.
• 44:12
  Yeah, yeah. So he was quite honest.
• 44:15
  He gets free food.
• 44:17
  We can ask him.
• 44:21
  Fair play, Martha, that's brilliant.
• 44:24
  We meet nice people in this podcast.
• 44:26
  We certainly do. All right, listen, we're going to go. We're out of time. Thanks, ladies and gentlemen, we'll see you in two weeks time.
• 44:33
  Bye.