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Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 3: I'm Danicaiti Giorgio filling in for Chris Kenny this week.
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Speaker 3: Coming up tonight, the radical proposals out of Jacinta Allen's
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Speaker 3: truth telling process. It even includes a plan for Indigenous
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Speaker 3: Victorians to be treated as separate nations. Penny Wong comes
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Speaker 3: home empty handed after failing to secure a meeting for
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister with Donald Trump during her trip to Washington,
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Speaker 3: and a major win for free speech as Elon Musk's
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Speaker 3: ex and activist Chris Elston, known online as Billboard Chris,
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Speaker 3: score a court win against the e Safety Commission.
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Speaker 2: He will join me shortly.
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Speaker 3: Australians don't want to be divided by race. The message
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Speaker 3: was loud and clear during the Voice referendum, but it's
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Speaker 3: fallen on deaf is in.
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Speaker 2: The most woke.
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Speaker 3: Government in the country in Victoria might just be about
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Speaker 3: to find out what the Allen government is prepared to
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Speaker 3: freely give away and give up all at the expense
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Speaker 3: of taxpayers as part of its ongoing desperate path to
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Speaker 3: treaty and brace yourselves. A report on the state's four
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Speaker 3: year Truth Telling Inquiry has been tabled in Parliament and
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Speaker 3: has delivered one hundred recommendations for Indigenous Victorians and g
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Speaker 3: what hasn't the eurok Justice Commission asked for in its report.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen to some of the demands and we
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Speaker 3: can already see where this is headed. Among them, that
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Speaker 3: Indigenous Victorians be treated as separate nations, offered tax relief
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Speaker 3: and cash compensation, have land handed back to them to
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Speaker 3: make up for what it says is the impact of colonialization,
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Speaker 3: financial benefits, to make amends for colonial invasion, and for
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Speaker 3: the Victorian government to acknowledge responsibility for the wrongs of
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Speaker 3: its predecessors and offer formal apology. Or who would have
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Speaker 3: thought that reconciliation would be so costly? And let's be honest,
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Speaker 3: if this big push for funding goes ahead, who's going
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Speaker 3: to pay for it? The Victorian taxpayer of course, who
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Speaker 3: have done nothing wrong but are being made out to
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Speaker 3: be the enemy and as the people responsible.
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Speaker 2: For any injustice.
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Speaker 3: So that Jacenta Allen can feel good about herself and
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Speaker 3: have a listen to this. There were also recommendations for
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Speaker 3: the education system that would exclude Indigenous children from attendance requirements,
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Speaker 3: expulsions and suspensions. Now, learning outcomes are already poor for
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Speaker 3: Indigenous Australians, so terrific tell them not to go to school,
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Speaker 3: because that's going to fix all the issues. It also
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Speaker 3: recommended a treaty and that the First People's Assembly may
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Speaker 3: be made permanent, which it already has been. Now, this
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Speaker 3: is a body set up by former Premier Daniel Andrews
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Speaker 3: with thirty three members who are paid almost one hundred
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Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year. It already receives regular funding and
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Speaker 3: oversees a self determination fund with get this, a sixty
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Speaker 3: five million dollar bankroll for treaty negotiations.
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Speaker 2: And yet gi.
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Speaker 3: Cina Allen has left all of the recommendations of the
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Speaker 3: inquiry on the table, not ruling anything in or out.
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Speaker 4: I'm not focused on people who want to divide, people
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Speaker 4: who want to use reports like this as furthering a
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Speaker 4: particular political narrative.
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Speaker 3: Really, I mean, what part of a separatist agenda is
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Speaker 3: not divisive? What part of separating Indigenous Australians from Australians
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Speaker 3: when we are all Australians is not divisive? And what
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Speaker 3: is this disinformation she speaks about? Well, I'll tell you
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Speaker 3: what is disinformation. The Premier has still been unable to
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Speaker 3: say why she is forging ahead with treaty and what
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Speaker 3: it means.
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Speaker 2: For the state.
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Speaker 3: And as for division, as we've already heard this week
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Speaker 3: g Cintera Allen will create a Victorian version of the
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Speaker 3: Voice to Parliament, more division that.
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Speaker 2: Nobody asks for nor voted for.
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Speaker 3: And this latest report by Yuruk is the first glimpse
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Speaker 3: and to where that voice is headed.
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Speaker 2: It's the typical.
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Speaker 3: Tolerant left mentality trying to guilt trip the rest of
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Speaker 3: us so that they can feel something. And what is
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Speaker 3: clear is that left leaning, woke governments won't stray away
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Speaker 3: from a separatist agenda despite the will of Australians. It's
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Speaker 3: that type of division that sixty percent of us said
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Speaker 3: no to and fifty four percent of Victorians. We aren't
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Speaker 3: some sort of apartheid country. But it seems as though
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Speaker 3: Victoria is heading in a direction where it is. I mean,
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Speaker 3: these recommendations are practically calling for a separate indigenous state
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Speaker 3: within the state, and they want their own access to resources,
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Speaker 3: they want separate decision making bodies, the right to govern
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Speaker 3: their own affairs, and it's expensive. We don't know the
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Speaker 3: final amount that could be handed out, but you can
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Speaker 3: expect it to be in the billions if it goes ahead.
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Speaker 2: And Victoria's already in record debt. And what's even.
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Speaker 3: More concerning is that the commission was split over the findings.
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Speaker 3: A majority of commissioners refuse to put their names to
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Speaker 3: all of the findings. In fact three, he even considered
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Speaker 3: writing a dissenting report. So who is telling the truth
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Speaker 3: and whose truth is true in the Truth Telling Inquiry?
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Speaker 3: Because according to the Truth Telling Inquiry, any sort of
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Speaker 3: truth telling involves a lot of money and a lot
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Speaker 3: of privileges. Now, if the state opposition wants any chance
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Speaker 3: of winning the next election, they need to go big
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Speaker 3: and bold and reject this nonsense. And I've got to
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Speaker 3: say it's a good start from opposition leader Brad Batton,
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Speaker 3: who has already rejected a voice to Parliament under his leadership.
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Speaker 3: But jee could the message that the voice vote have
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Speaker 3: been more clearer?
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Speaker 2: Apparently not.
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Speaker 3: The political elites have decided. Well, the Foreign Minister has
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Speaker 3: wrapped up her tour of Washington and it's been a pizza.
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Speaker 3: There's still no meetings secured between Anthony Alberezi and Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: Despite Penny Wong's assurances that all is well, we can't
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Speaker 2: secure a meeting between our leaders. There has been no
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Speaker 2: tariff deal any concerned.
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Speaker 5: I think that the Trump administration and President Trump has
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Speaker 5: made very clear to the world that he envisages a
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Speaker 5: different role for America in the world. What I would
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Speaker 5: say is our strategic partnership is deep, it is trusting,
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Speaker 5: it is to the benefit of both nations, and I
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Speaker 5: think that is understood here in Washington.
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Speaker 3: This was meant to be Penny's peacekeeping mission. Instead she's
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Speaker 3: come back empty handed. And look, it's not all her fault.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister isn't on a plane himself to the
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Speaker 3: White House. He's embarrassingly been reduced to banking on a
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Speaker 3: series of upcoming summits in the hope of getting just five.
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Speaker 2: Minutes with the most powerful man in the world.
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Speaker 3: He's got the Quad Meeting in India coming up, and well,
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Speaker 3: if that fails, the next best bet is a G
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Speaker 3: twenty and then the Apex Summit, but both of those
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Speaker 3: are in November. So he's desperately hoping for a miracle
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Speaker 3: bump into the president moment at one of the three
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Speaker 3: summits or desperately hoping that he doesn't have to head over.
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Speaker 2: To Washington himself.
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Speaker 3: When Albo did once say that Donald Trump scares him
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Speaker 3: hardly a strong man for diplomacy, and the keywords that
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Speaker 3: Labor is now using his schedule and reschedule, Penny Wong says,
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Speaker 3: the US Secretary of State Marco Rubio expressed regret that
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Speaker 3: the meeting was scheduled and they will now wait for
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Speaker 3: it to be rescheduled.
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Speaker 5: I was very grateful that the Secretary again express his
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Speaker 5: regret for the meeting that was scheduled for the G
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Speaker 5: seven having to be rescheduled. I explained to him we
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Speaker 5: perfectly understood why the President had to leave given the circumstances,
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Speaker 5: and we agree that we will reschedule this meeting and
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Speaker 5: we both look forward to the leader's meeting.
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Speaker 2: There it is. And if you don't believe me, he
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Speaker 2: was the Prime minister yesterday.
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Speaker 5: When we have a meeting, we'll have a meeting, and
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Speaker 5: when it's scheduled, that will occur.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: In other words, he's just hoping for the best, sitting
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Speaker 3: idly by waiting for the call up. It's like waiting
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Speaker 3: for the rain in the middle of a drought. And
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Speaker 3: the Coalition has called Pennywongs visit a waste of time.
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Speaker 6: When our Prime minister is not able to sit down
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Speaker 6: and work through critical issues with the President of the
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Speaker 6: United States. It's when we have an Orchest agreement, where
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Speaker 6: there's a review going on, where we don't even know
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Speaker 6: where this review is heading, where we've got an Australian
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Speaker 6: government that is not serious about spending because it's not
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Speaker 6: even spending enough to meet the recommendations of its own
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Speaker 6: Defense Strategic Review.
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Speaker 3: So peacekeeper Penny has come home empty handed. A formal
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Speaker 3: scheduled sorry rescheduled meeting remains a hope and a prayer.
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Speaker 3: But hey, at least Albo can keep pretending that all
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Speaker 3: is okay. Joddy out discuss this and more is One
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Speaker 3: Nation leader Pauline Hanson said, it's a nice to catch
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Speaker 3: up with you, thanks for joining me. So still no
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Speaker 3: meeting in the pipeline. I mean this was meant to
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Speaker 3: be Penny's big peacekeeping mission to get this relationship back
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Speaker 3: on track. Of course, the mid defense spending issues Australia's
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Speaker 3: failure to back the US strikes in Iran, But is
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Speaker 3: this not the job of the prime minister?
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Speaker 2: Correct it?
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Speaker 7: Is the job of the Prime Minister, and he's been
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Speaker 7: badly snubbed by President Trump because if they had a
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Speaker 7: good working relationship, well then Trump would have picked up
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Speaker 7: the phone to him and said, listen, mate, I can't
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Speaker 7: make it right now, but we'll organize something else. And
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Speaker 7: he hasn't had that relationship with Trump.
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Speaker 2: At all, you know, and it's quite obvious.
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Speaker 7: You know, they're call China a great power. Yet I
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Speaker 7: think she just has a sling at Trump and saying
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Speaker 7: Ali's has a lot of place in the world. He
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Speaker 7: thinks America's a different place than the world would used
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Speaker 7: to be. Trump won't be there in four years time,
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Speaker 7: it'll be a different president. But we must have a
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Speaker 7: clear and open, a good alliance with America. As I
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Speaker 7: keep saying this all the time, we will need them
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Speaker 7: to back up if we ever have problems in the world.
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Speaker 7: Alban Easy hasn't you know? She did come back empty hand?
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Speaker 7: You know, where's heels some review of that, what's happened
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Speaker 7: with that, what's happened with the tariffs, also other agreements
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Speaker 7: that we've done. I just don't think that she's actually
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Speaker 7: come back with anything whatsoever. And I see the way
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Speaker 7: that you've said it. Totally agree with you, Danika. I
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Speaker 7: think Alban easy as pathetic as a leader, and I
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Speaker 7: think Trump seen right through him, hasn't got time for him.
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Speaker 2: No, I completely agree.
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Speaker 3: And you know they're coming out every day saying the
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Speaker 3: meeting's rescheduled, rescheduled, rescheduled. You know how many times does
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Speaker 3: it have to be rescheduled before something actually concrete there's
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Speaker 3: some sort of concrete plans. I completely understand what you're saying. Now,
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Speaker 3: let's pivot to energy because there's another fork in the
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Speaker 3: road for the renewables only fantasy offshore wind Giant Blue
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Speaker 3: Flow Energy is considering selling off it's Victorian project, which
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Speaker 3: would really be a spatter in the works for.
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Speaker 2: The green energy transition.
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Speaker 3: But at the same time, the massive V and I
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Speaker 3: West transmission line project, which will link Victoria and New
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Speaker 3: South Wales as energy grids, has now been delayed by
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Speaker 3: two years. I mean, Senator, these are not the first
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Speaker 3: green projects to either be canned or delayed in recent months.
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Speaker 3: Where is the foresight for keeping the lights on in
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Speaker 3: this country?
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Speaker 7: Well, it hasn't. It's been delayed. It was supposed to
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Speaker 7: go ahead by twenty twenty eight. Now they've delayed it
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Speaker 7: for another two years to to twenty thirty because they
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Speaker 7: never had decent consultation with the farmers land owners where
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Speaker 7: the transmission lines are going. Because of the day, it
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Speaker 7: means escalating costs that is going to happen with this
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Speaker 7: as well. So now they're going to pay farmers or
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Speaker 7: neighboring farmers, you know, for putting in transmission lines anything
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Speaker 7: between twenty thousand and forty thousand plus that they're going
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Speaker 7: to get paid for. And also you've got escalating costs
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Speaker 7: on this twenty billion dollar project, and that's been advocated
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Speaker 7: by the energy market that it's going to hit households
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Speaker 7: with escalating costs. Also to put in wind turbines. They're
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Speaker 7: wanting to put one thousand wind turbines in Victoria, which
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Speaker 7: there's been an increase of forty percent cost of wind
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Speaker 7: turbines and this is worldwide. Also to put in five
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Speaker 7: point two million solar panels, so that they've got the
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Speaker 7: power station that's supposed to be closing down by twenty
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Speaker 7: twenty eight. The other one which is you're laying is
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Speaker 7: loy Yang. I should say it is closed down by
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Speaker 7: twenty thirty five. Yet victorious on this trajectory of having
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Speaker 7: ninety percent renewable energy by twenty thirty.
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Speaker 2: Five, it's not going to happen.
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Speaker 7: And businesses are going under, industries and manufacturing going under.
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Speaker 7: Their normal household can't pay their bills, are going under
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Speaker 7: and losing their homes because they want to keep pushing
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Speaker 7: for this renewable energy which is going to cost the
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Speaker 7: taxpayers and ratepayers of Victoria huge amounts of money. Not
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Speaker 7: only is Blue Flot going to consider not going head
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Speaker 7: with the project, also the company that's looking at from
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Speaker 7: Netherlands to put in the wind turbines the shows in
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Speaker 7: New South Amalas they're considering pulling out.
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Speaker 8: Also.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and also let's not forget that our power bills
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Speaker 3: yesterday on July one went up by nine percent, even
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Speaker 3: though we keep getting told that our power bills are
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Speaker 3: going to go down under this renewables only fantasy. Yet
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Speaker 3: we've got delays and cancelations in the pipeline. It's an
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Speaker 3: absolute disaster. Look, I've got to ask you about this
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Speaker 3: because Cricket Australia will avoid playing matches on Australia a
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Speaker 3: day again for a second.
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Speaker 2: Year in a row.
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Speaker 3: After the fixtures were released for the next season. We
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Speaker 3: know that Cricket Australia previously dropped the term Australia Day.
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Speaker 2: From its marketing campaigns. It's been tying.
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Speaker 3: Itself in knots over how to not offend Indigenous Australians. Senator,
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Speaker 3: If we can't play our national sport on our national day,
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Speaker 3: what is the point? Why have these organizations gone so
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Speaker 3: woke they are bending over backwards?
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Speaker 7: Look, Denango, I feel exactly the same, and I believe
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Speaker 7: the majority of Straims feel that way has felt and
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Speaker 7: it's only through backlash from the public that they will
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Speaker 7: actually start thinking twice about it. I think it's disgusting,
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Speaker 7: you know, on that one day, Australia Day, and it
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Speaker 7: is our national sport that they play, apart from the footy,
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Speaker 7: but cricket is very much a love sport by many Australians.
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Speaker 7: And I think it's discussing where we're headed with this
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Speaker 7: work attitude that we have and the state governs and
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Speaker 7: pushing head with it. And you made it in your
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Speaker 7: summary in your editorial about you know what's happening in
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Speaker 7: nation within a nation. I've been saying that Danika since
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Speaker 7: nineteen ninety six, and that was planned in nineteen eighty
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Speaker 7: eight through Peter Joeld. We're supposed to have a nation
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Speaker 7: within a nation, and it breaks my heart to see
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Speaker 7: it slowly unraveling here and politicians are actually dividing us
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Speaker 7: as a nation.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly what.
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Speaker 7: They had it is a nation within a nation. I
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Speaker 7: pity Australians the future generations, and if I have anything
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Speaker 7: to do with it, as long as I'm in Flora Parliament,
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Speaker 7: I am going to keep pushing back and objecting to
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Speaker 7: this and doing whatever I can to turn it around.
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Speaker 2: Good on you, Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 3: You've always kept up the good and you're right, it's
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Speaker 3: like a nation of tribes. It is a real disgrace
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Speaker 3: as to what's going on in your right's being driven
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Speaker 3: by woke governments like what we're seeing in Victoria. Pauline Hanson,
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Speaker 3: nice to catch up as always. Thank you very much
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Speaker 3: for joining me on the show this evening. Really appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's move on now.
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Speaker 3: Because thousands of homes have been left without power and
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Speaker 3: dozens of flights have been canceled as the East Coast
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Speaker 3: is battered by wild weather.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now from Kyama is Sydney.
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Speaker 3: Reporter Crystal Wu. Crystal, thanks for joining me. How much
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Speaker 3: damage has been done so far?
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Speaker 9: Well, Denika, the warring of Dam is expected to spill.
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Speaker 9: There's been a dozens of flight cancelations. There's also been
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Speaker 9: debris on the road because of just how destructive the
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Speaker 9: winds are.
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Speaker 2: As you can see over.
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Speaker 9: The past couple of hours. The temperature here in Kiyama
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Speaker 9: has certainly dropped. The winds are gusty, and look how
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Speaker 9: big the swell is. There are still some surfers in
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Speaker 9: the water as well. They're stubborn as ever, and despite
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Speaker 9: warnings from author already is to stay out of the
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Speaker 9: water due to potential contamination, they are taking advantage of
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Speaker 9: the swells now. In the Greater Sydney area, residents are
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Speaker 9: still affected by power outages right from up north on
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Speaker 9: the central coast, down south Willongong and further south. There's
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Speaker 9: an emergency warning in place in Jarvis Bay as some
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Speaker 9: homes are still partially submerged.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 9: The warning for motorists is to avoid unnecessary travel. These
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Speaker 9: destructive winds have caused trees and power lines to fall down,
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Speaker 9: lots of debris on the road. The ses have reported
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Speaker 9: several crashes on the roads along the New South Wales
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Speaker 9: coast already, it's been a it's been a big few days.
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Speaker 9: We've seen more than two hundred millimeters of rain right
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Speaker 9: across the coast. Here in Cayama, we reported one hundred
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Speaker 9: and thirty millimeters of rain overnight. The advice is to
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Speaker 9: stay home. This weather system is expected to continue until Thursday,
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Speaker 9: so we are expecting more rain and destructive wins until tomorrow.
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Speaker 8: Daneka.
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Speaker 2: All right, Christal, doing a great job out there. Thanks
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Speaker 2: for joining me.
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Speaker 3: But let's return now to the eurok Justice Commission's report
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Speaker 3: in Victoria, which, as I mentioned earlier, included one hundred recommendations,
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Speaker 3: including financial benefits to make up for quote injustice which
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Speaker 3: has occurred during and as a result of the colonial
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Speaker 3: invasion and occupation of First people's territories. Joined me now
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Speaker 3: to discuss this as Deputy Executive Director of the Institute
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Speaker 3: of Public Affairs, Daniel Wilde. Daniel, thanks for your time. Look,
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Speaker 3: I was quite gobsmacked, to be honest, by some of
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Speaker 3: the recommendations, especially this idea of Indigenous Victorians to be
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Speaker 3: treated separately and offered tax relief and cash compensation.
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Speaker 2: What was your read on the report.
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Speaker 10: Well, I was gobsmack too, Dnekia, and I think your
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Speaker 10: editorial was really bang on earlier today, it would create
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Speaker 10: a two tiered society and the permanent racial division of Victorians.
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Speaker 10: It would send us back to the pre nineteen sixty
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Speaker 10: seven days. In nineteen sixty seven, you remember we had
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Speaker 10: a referendum in this country where ninety percent of Australians
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Speaker 10: voted to remove references of race in our constitution to
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Speaker 10: make our society, society more whole and more equal, and
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Speaker 10: to end the racial separatism. This would undo all of
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Speaker 10: the work that has been done by Australians for decades.
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Speaker 10: When I see Indigenous people in our society, I don't
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Speaker 10: see them as separate to me. I see them as
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Speaker 10: equal to me as fellow Australians, and we should all
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Speaker 10: have the same rights and the same entitlements as Australians.
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Speaker 10: I am shocked at this report. This is how democracy dies.
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Speaker 10: By creating a two tiered system. Not only would it,
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Speaker 10: as you rightly say, lead to reparations payments, not only
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Speaker 10: would it mean that Indigenous Victorians would be exempt from
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Speaker 10: certain taxes, it would also pave the way for a
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Speaker 10: certain group in our society to have access to welfare
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Speaker 10: and healthcare ahead of others in our society. I don't
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Speaker 10: want to go down this path. Victorians don't want to
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Speaker 10: go down this path. This is why we voted no
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Speaker 10: to racial division with the Voice to Parliament. But I'm
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Speaker 10: concerned that this government is going to steamroll mainstream Australians
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Speaker 10: and forge ahead with this incredibly divisive set of recommendations.
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Speaker 2: Well it's like just.
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Speaker 3: Cinta Allen wants to make it part of her legacy
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Speaker 3: or something to make herself feel better. What does it
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Speaker 3: say about the contempt that the Victorian premiere is showing.
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Speaker 3: Nobody asks for a state Voice to Parliament, but it's
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Speaker 3: going ahead. Nobody voted for a treaty, but it's going ahead.
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Speaker 3: She hasn't ruled in anything or out for these recommendations.
19:50
Speaker 3: What mandate does she have to pursue this?
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Speaker 10: Well, exactly right, Justina Allan is showing complete and total
19:57
Speaker 10: contempt for mainstream Turians. She's showing contempt for the democratic process.
20:03
Speaker 10: What this shows is that the elites in this society
20:07
Speaker 10: don't care what you think, they don't care how you vote.
20:11
Speaker 10: They've got their own ideology and they are going to
20:14
Speaker 10: implement it anyway. And we've not only seen it with
20:16
Speaker 10: this Tanika, we've seen it with the steamrolling of regional
20:18
Speaker 10: communities in Victoria with the wind farms and the solar panels,
20:22
Speaker 10: where regional communities have said no, and the government has
20:24
Speaker 10: said we're going to take your land anyway. Victorians have
20:27
Speaker 10: said no, we don't want racial division, and Jacinta Allen
20:31
Speaker 10: and her government have said, we don't care what you think,
20:33
Speaker 10: we don't care about your vote.
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Speaker 2: We're going to do it anyway. Too bad.
20:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, and let's not forget as well, Daniel, any talk
20:41
Speaker 3: of compensation.
20:42
Speaker 2: Who's going to pay for it.
20:43
Speaker 3: It's going to be the taxpayer and Victoria is already
20:47
Speaker 3: in a.
20:47
Speaker 2: World of debt.
20:50
Speaker 1: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 10: I mean, when we're talking about compensation, let's be honest
20:53
Speaker 10: about this.
20:54
Speaker 2: It means reparations payments.
20:56
Speaker 10: It means taxes on mainstream Victorians to be distributed to
20:59
Speaker 10: a certain based on their race, in this case indigenous Victorians.
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Speaker 1: For what though? For what claim?
21:05
Speaker 10: The claim that we're a bad country, the claim that
21:07
Speaker 10: our colonial history is one filled with violence and dispossession.
21:12
Speaker 10: Australia is not perfect, but we are without peer and
21:15
Speaker 10: the fundamental problem of this report is that it comes
21:19
Speaker 10: from a place of hate. It doesn't come from a
21:21
Speaker 10: place of unity or a place of love, and it
21:24
Speaker 10: is punishment. This is punishment being meted out by the
21:28
Speaker 10: activist class because Australians voted no to their divisive policy
21:33
Speaker 10: at the referendum.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so well put, it does come from a place
21:36
Speaker 3: of hate, and nobody ever voted for this level of division.
21:39
Speaker 3: In fact, we all said no. And it's a disgrace
21:42
Speaker 3: that just Ciner Allen is ignoring the will of the
21:44
Speaker 3: people and still forging ahead. Daniel Wild, good.
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Speaker 2: To speak with you.
21:48
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for coming on the show this evening,
21:49
Speaker 3: really appreciate it.
21:51
Speaker 2: We're coming up after the break.
21:52
Speaker 3: Billboard Chris joins me to discuss that win against the
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Speaker 3: E Safety Commission plus the growing resistance to Labour's souper
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Speaker 3: attacks plans.
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Speaker 2: That's next, Well, welcome back.
22:07
Speaker 3: Well, there's been a major win for free speech in
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Speaker 3: this country. Halleluliah, the E Safety Commissioner, the chief Censor herself,
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Speaker 3: Julian Marngrant, had attempted to silence Chris Elston, known online
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Speaker 3: as Billboard Chris, by ordering him to take down a
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Speaker 3: social media post on X criticizing the World Health Organization
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Speaker 3: for appointing transactivist Teddy Cook to an expert panel. Chris
22:31
Speaker 3: took on the chief censor and has won. The Administrative
22:35
Speaker 3: Review Tribunal yesterday ruled in favor of the Canadian and
22:38
Speaker 3: with Elon Musk's X. In fact, the tribunal's deputy president,
22:42
Speaker 3: Damian O'Donovan said, quote, when the evidence is considered as
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Speaker 3: a whole, I am not satisfied that an ordinary reasonable
22:50
Speaker 3: person would conclude that by making the posts, mister Elston
22:53
Speaker 3: intended to cause mister Cook serious harm. And I'm very
22:57
Speaker 3: pleased to say that. Chris Elston joins me now, thank
23:00
Speaker 3: you for joining me. Congratulations on your legal victory.
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Speaker 2: How do you feel about it all?
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Speaker 11: I think it's tremendous, to be honest with you, I
23:10
Speaker 11: expected to win, particularly after listening to the so called
23:14
Speaker 11: experts that the Safety Commissioner had brought to the hearing.
23:17
Speaker 11: But this was really a total destruction. All of their
23:19
Speaker 11: expert evidence was basically dismissed. My lawyers are extremely pleased.
23:24
Speaker 11: They think this has a societal impact for all of Australia,
23:27
Speaker 11: and I think this really gives a roadmap for other
23:29
Speaker 11: activists going forward. What's really key in this is that
23:35
Speaker 11: the deputy director even quoted my own testimony where I
23:39
Speaker 11: said that, because I believe sex is immutable, I'm personally convicted.
23:42
Speaker 11: I will not use incorrect pronouns to describe any person,
23:46
Speaker 11: including transit did and find people who identifies the opposite sex,
23:49
Speaker 11: I'll use their preferred names, but I only use sex
23:51
Speaker 11: based pronouns because I don't think it's loving, progressive, or
23:54
Speaker 11: ethical to lie to a person and affirm that there's
23:57
Speaker 11: something or not that they're not. Believe that calling a
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Speaker 11: man a woman and vice versus not only untrue, but
24:02
Speaker 11: has implications for the rights and safety of women and children.
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Speaker 11: And he totally accepted that. He looked at the context,
24:10
Speaker 11: he looked at my entire campaign and saw that I've
24:13
Speaker 11: been consistent in this, and my post itself was not
24:16
Speaker 11: about causing serious distress or harm to Teddy Cook. It
24:20
Speaker 11: was about bringing light to a situation where children are
24:23
Speaker 11: being harmed, and we sometimes forget that this is all
24:27
Speaker 11: about the kids. We have children who are having their
24:30
Speaker 11: natural development stopped with puberty bokas and cross sex hormones,
24:33
Speaker 11: and they're getting surgeries because they've been taught a lie
24:36
Speaker 11: that they were born in the wrong body and need
24:37
Speaker 11: to be something they're not. That's abusive. That's the serious harm.
24:41
Speaker 11: That's what we always need to come back to. And
24:43
Speaker 11: I think for everyone battling this censorship in Australia, they
24:47
Speaker 11: can feel safe now calling a man a man or
24:48
Speaker 11: a woman a woman, and.
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Speaker 2: As they should.
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Speaker 3: But this is the problem with the debate in this country.
24:55
Speaker 3: The a Safety Commission are putting aside. I mean, she's
24:57
Speaker 3: been on a censorship warpath, but the ruling that you
25:00
Speaker 3: had not intended to harm anyone. And this is a
25:02
Speaker 3: problem because we should be allowed to have genuine conversations
25:06
Speaker 3: and genuine debate about what is going on in society
25:09
Speaker 3: and that of course includes the gender debate, without being
25:12
Speaker 3: threatened with legal action and told that we're causing harm.
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Speaker 11: Right, we should be able to talk about anything in
25:18
Speaker 11: society and when kids are coming to harm, obviously we
25:20
Speaker 11: need to talk about that more. But the tendency all
25:22
Speaker 11: across the West, not just in Australia, has been to
25:25
Speaker 11: cancel people, to fire them from their jobs, to instill
25:29
Speaker 11: this entire regime of fear being pushed by these bureaucrats
25:37
Speaker 11: unelected bureaucrats in the case of Julian and Grant, who
25:41
Speaker 11: only censors us in one direction, which is in favor
25:44
Speaker 11: of transactivism and against people who are talking reality and
25:48
Speaker 11: who are actually looking out for these kids and for
25:50
Speaker 11: women who are being harmed. So I think this is
25:52
Speaker 11: a tremendous victory. We're stacking up some wins against these
25:56
Speaker 11: sensors across the globe. This is I think the third
25:58
Speaker 11: victory against the East Safety Commissioner.
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Speaker 1: They keep throwing money.
26:02
Speaker 11: At this though, because they have inexhaustible resources, But we
26:04
Speaker 11: have something they don't have. We have the truth and
26:06
Speaker 11: we're just going to keep spreading it because the truth
26:08
Speaker 11: spreads for free.
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Speaker 2: Oh good on you. Well, why was it so important
26:12
Speaker 2: for you to take this on?
26:12
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't imagine the costs involved with taking
26:15
Speaker 3: on the Safety can mission out commissioner out.
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Speaker 2: Why did you want to pursue it?
26:21
Speaker 11: Well, we really did this on a shoestring budget, and
26:23
Speaker 11: I'm thankful for adieth International and the Human Rights Law
26:25
Speaker 11: Alliance who really did this pro bono for me because
26:27
Speaker 11: I'm just a poor activist, but I'm a father of
26:31
Speaker 11: two girls. That's what drives everything I'm not going to
26:33
Speaker 11: send them out into a world that doesn't know what
26:34
Speaker 11: a woman is, and I'm not going to send them
26:36
Speaker 11: out into a world that's trying to change the sex
26:38
Speaker 11: of children. This is the greatest child to be scandal
26:41
Speaker 11: in the history of modern medicine. I'm a dad. My
26:43
Speaker 11: first job is to act as a dad, and for me,
26:46
Speaker 11: this is how I'm doing that. I quit my job
26:48
Speaker 11: as a financial advisor. I now travel the world raising
26:50
Speaker 11: awareness about this. I'm leading a purpose driven life and
26:53
Speaker 11: as far as I'm concerned, this is war and it's
26:55
Speaker 11: a war we can't lose. So I'm just going to
26:57
Speaker 11: keep fighting.
26:58
Speaker 3: Are you going to come back to Australia every time soon?
27:00
Speaker 3: I know last time, we've got it up on our screen.
27:02
Speaker 3: Now police questioned you when you were in the streets
27:05
Speaker 3: with your billboard.
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Speaker 1: Are you going to come back one percent?
27:09
Speaker 11: So, not only are they trying to censor me on
27:11
Speaker 11: the digital town square, every physical town square I go
27:14
Speaker 11: into in Australia they're trying to remove me. But I
27:16
Speaker 11: stood up for myself there. We just secured another victory
27:19
Speaker 11: against Brisbane City Council. A week or two ago. They
27:22
Speaker 11: issued me an eight hundred and six dollars ticket for
27:24
Speaker 11: having conversations in the corner of the town square, standing
27:27
Speaker 11: quietly waiting for people to.
27:28
Speaker 1: Come and talk to me.
27:29
Speaker 11: We challenged that police had forcibly moved me on because
27:33
Speaker 11: I refused to move because I'm a stubborn old mule.
27:36
Speaker 11: But we won, and this is how we have to act.
27:38
Speaker 11: We can't just let these sensors tell us what to do.
27:42
Speaker 11: I'm having conversations about children who are being harmed. Yeah,
27:45
Speaker 11: other people go to that town square, they do whatever
27:47
Speaker 11: they want. They actually obstruct people. I did nothing of
27:49
Speaker 11: the sort. So I think I'm going to see Brisbane
27:51
Speaker 11: City Council as well now that that ticket has been
27:54
Speaker 11: thrown out, and I'll probably come back just for that.
27:56
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what I think. It's a wonderful
27:58
Speaker 3: win that you had yesterday. Good on you for keeping
28:00
Speaker 3: up the fight, and you're right, we need to talk
28:01
Speaker 3: about this. It's a very important topic when it comes
28:03
Speaker 3: to gender. So congratulations and good on you. Chris Elston.
28:06
Speaker 3: It's nice to speak with you. Thank you so much
28:08
Speaker 3: for joining me on the show this evening.
28:09
Speaker 2: Really appreciate it. Thank you, Thank you. Well.
28:12
Speaker 3: It gets murkier and Murkier for Labour's controversial super tax plan.
28:16
Speaker 3: It's unindexed, meaning more and more people will fall through
28:19
Speaker 3: the trap, and it's looking to become a sticking point
28:22
Speaker 3: at the government's economic reform round table. Joining me now
28:25
Speaker 3: is Judo Bank Economic advisor Warren Hogan.
28:28
Speaker 2: Hi, Warren, thank you for joining me.
28:30
Speaker 3: First up, How significant are these proposed changes to the
28:33
Speaker 3: super tax arrangements?
28:35
Speaker 12: Yeah, good Eving Denica. I don't think we can underestimate
28:38
Speaker 12: how profound this is. Putting aside the detail and the
28:42
Speaker 12: issues that are being debated, we are making the first
28:46
Speaker 12: major change to superinuation or around its taxation rates anyway
28:51
Speaker 12: in thirty is and this is a long term decision
28:56
Speaker 12: making process for people. This is long term planning and
28:59
Speaker 12: certainty is just so important and trying to give people certainty,
29:03
Speaker 12: and of course this is changing the rules. It's a
29:07
Speaker 12: reflection of a range of concerns about Super and the
29:10
Speaker 12: current government finances, but ultimately it's changing the rules on people.
29:15
Speaker 12: And I think this is an issue of government credibility
29:17
Speaker 12: and trust and of course this could change the way
29:20
Speaker 12: Australians think about their Super going forward.
29:23
Speaker 4: If it is.
29:24
Speaker 12: This vulnerable to being chopped and changed by each government
29:27
Speaker 12: that comes through.
29:28
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned trust, it's like trust has gone.
29:30
Speaker 3: Why is labor pushing for this now despite what's been
29:33
Speaker 3: a significant backlash because these changes would create.
29:36
Speaker 2: Long term uncertainty, wouldn't they.
29:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, And of.
29:40
Speaker 12: Course the Treasury and other people involved understand this, and
29:45
Speaker 12: there is a real need for this, and it's because
29:49
Speaker 12: we've got a tax system that is under extraordinary pressure,
29:53
Speaker 12: both in terms of the sheer volume of money it
29:55
Speaker 12: needs to raise to cover the government spending, and we
29:58
Speaker 12: know that that's increasing to called levels as a share
30:01
Speaker 12: of the economy. And of course we have a tax
30:04
Speaker 12: system that's not fit for purpose. We're incredibly reliant on
30:06
Speaker 12: income taxes, and this is an effort to try and
30:10
Speaker 12: put more taxation, which many, including myself, would argue, which
30:13
Speaker 12: is probably fair enough on older people and their higher incomes.
30:19
Speaker 12: But that's not the issue. That is I started with,
30:21
Speaker 12: of course, and that's that, Well, you set the rules
30:23
Speaker 12: up in the past and now you're changing them. That's
30:26
Speaker 12: the issue from a credibility point of view. But the
30:28
Speaker 12: problem for the government is they need to raise money
30:30
Speaker 12: and then they need this tax or some other tax.
30:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all about money, isn't it.
30:35
Speaker 3: But I've been asked, you know, does appoint to a
30:37
Speaker 3: wider issue with our tax system in general.
30:41
Speaker 1: Well, it does, and.
30:42
Speaker 12: The problem is is that we are very reliant on
30:45
Speaker 12: income tax and that is an intergenerational issue. That is,
30:50
Speaker 12: the older Australians with super are getting tax breaks. They
30:55
Speaker 12: therefore the younger a Strainers who are working age are
30:57
Speaker 12: having to increasingly bear the burden and they're a smaller
31:00
Speaker 12: proportion of the economy. The Treasury is none about this
31:03
Speaker 12: for years, but no government since Ken Henry's review, and
31:07
Speaker 12: that's how long ago, fifteen years or more ago that
31:10
Speaker 12: we've known about this has been prepared to address the issue.
31:13
Speaker 12: And it's getting worse and worse every year. In fact,
31:14
Speaker 12: we'll be at a breaking point some stage in the
31:16
Speaker 12: next three to seven years, i'd say. So this is
31:20
Speaker 12: an attempt to deal with that, but we've got to
31:23
Speaker 12: fundamentally change our whole tax system.
31:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a shame.
31:26
Speaker 3: It wasn't something put forward from either side really during
31:29
Speaker 3: the election campaign either. Warren Hogan, nice to catch up.
31:32
Speaker 3: We've got to leave it there. Thank you very much
31:34
Speaker 3: for joining me on the show this evening.
31:36
Speaker 2: We'll stay with us up.
31:36
Speaker 3: Next, Labor is accused of violating international law over plans
31:40
Speaker 3: to recycle a rusting oil rig overseas. Plus a special
31:44
Speaker 3: look at the Japanese ships which could soon replace our
31:46
Speaker 3: outdated and zak frigates.
31:52
Speaker 2: Welcome back Well.
31:53
Speaker 3: Labor is being accused of violating international law with its
31:56
Speaker 3: plan to send an oil platform to Denmark for cycling.
32:01
Speaker 3: The Northern Endeavor is laden with toxic waste and radioactive material.
32:05
Speaker 2: And it needs to be dismantled.
32:06
Speaker 8: Now.
32:07
Speaker 3: The government passed up Australian businesses who said that they
32:10
Speaker 3: could have.
32:10
Speaker 2: Done the job.
32:11
Speaker 3: Johnny now is the Shadow Resources Minister. Susan McDonald. Susan,
32:15
Speaker 3: thank you for joining me. Look, I've got to say,
32:17
Speaker 3: I mean, Labor is always obsessed with keeping business local.
32:20
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you want to foster that sort of capability
32:23
Speaker 3: when it comes to these ships in Australia or is
32:25
Speaker 3: it a case of Australian enterprises can't compete so it
32:28
Speaker 3: has to go overseas well?
32:31
Speaker 4: What this does show is that there was no genuine
32:35
Speaker 4: examination of the alternatives right here in Australia, no proper
32:39
Speaker 4: process of whether or not this could happen in Australia.
32:44
Speaker 4: So whether or not we're exporting hazardous materials, we can
32:47
Speaker 4: be sure that what we've done is export and Australian jobs,
32:51
Speaker 4: Australian expertise, Australian apprentices who might have cut their teeth
32:56
Speaker 4: on this project. All of this we lose because this government,
33:02
Speaker 4: the Federal government, has been too lazy to really assess
33:05
Speaker 4: whether or not this is something that could happen in Australia,
33:08
Speaker 4: and industry is telling us that it absolutely could have.
33:11
Speaker 3: And you know, local manufacturing is so important here. The
33:13
Speaker 3: ship has to be dismantled. We are offshoring so much
33:17
Speaker 3: as it is. Now this what does it say about
33:20
Speaker 3: the state of the industry.
33:21
Speaker 4: Oh well, you know this made in Australia future, made
33:25
Speaker 4: in Australia policy. We've got to stop listening to what
33:29
Speaker 4: labor says and what they do, because this is a
33:31
Speaker 4: perfect example of labor actually undermining Australia's capacity to have
33:37
Speaker 4: a future in Australia. There is you know, manufacturing has
33:42
Speaker 4: being cut out at the knees, whether it be escalating
33:47
Speaker 4: energy prices because of this rushed renewables policy, whether it
33:51
Speaker 4: be you know, labour's approach to union negotiations. But now
33:57
Speaker 4: the very first hurdle, Labor has stumbled because they haven't
34:00
Speaker 4: been able to keep manufacturing jobs right here under their
34:04
Speaker 4: own contract. This is not another country choosing to take
34:10
Speaker 4: their business elsewhere. This is the Australian government not prioritizing
34:14
Speaker 4: Australia in its contracting and sending a big project overseas.
34:19
Speaker 4: It's truly shocking that they can't even prioritize Australian jobs
34:24
Speaker 4: and instead are happy to see them export it off shore.
34:27
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's so many people who want the jobs out there.
34:30
Speaker 2: They're crying out for it. So it's not like we
34:33
Speaker 2: don't have the resources. Now. Look, I want to move
34:35
Speaker 2: on because the US.
34:36
Speaker 3: Secretary of State, Marco Rubio has told foreign ministers, including Pennywong,
34:41
Speaker 3: that the quad Alliance should be prioritizing critical minerals.
34:46
Speaker 2: Is he right?
34:48
Speaker 4: Well, the Labor government had seven months since the election
34:53
Speaker 4: of the new administration to do some work on this.
34:56
Speaker 4: Instead we had the government saying that they spent all
34:59
Speaker 4: week coming up with the critical Minerals policy. But once
35:03
Speaker 4: again they've come up empty handed. They haven't been able
35:06
Speaker 4: to secure a meeting with the President. We're seeing them
35:11
Speaker 4: unable to secure a better alliance with our biggest ally
35:15
Speaker 4: under defense terms, and now that our trade is also
35:18
Speaker 4: slipping away. I mean we cannot even supply to the
35:22
Speaker 4: US something that they say they want and need because
35:26
Speaker 4: of our anti mining, anti resources, anti manufacturing policies here
35:31
Speaker 4: in this country. I think this is a massive fail
35:34
Speaker 4: of the government's handpicked ambassador to the US, Kevin Rudd.
35:39
Speaker 4: But the Prime Minister, Prime Minister Albanezi and Foreign Minister
35:43
Speaker 4: Wong have failed abysmally at every turn. And Australian critical minerals,
35:48
Speaker 4: all Australian minerals are not being prioritized by this company country.
35:52
Speaker 4: They have continued to fund the Environmental Defender's Office, they're
35:56
Speaker 4: not increasing approval times. It's now on average six seen
36:00
Speaker 4: years to get a mine up from a discovery to
36:04
Speaker 4: production in this country. You know, the Labor government again,
36:09
Speaker 4: as I said before, they're talking a big game. But
36:11
Speaker 4: we've got to stop watching what they say and watch
36:14
Speaker 4: what they do because they are failing Australia's future. We
36:19
Speaker 4: are not having manufacturing here, we're not seeing the development
36:22
Speaker 4: of mining projects here, and we're not seeing the development
36:26
Speaker 4: of trade. I mean Australia has had a really long
36:29
Speaker 4: reputation as a reliable trading partner and a dependable defense
36:33
Speaker 4: ally and under labor. In only three short years, we've
36:37
Speaker 4: undermined both of those elements so quickly. So another labor fail,
36:43
Speaker 4: I'm afraid.
36:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
36:45
Speaker 3: I mean there's so much that we could be offering
36:47
Speaker 3: and we're just simply not. We just look like a
36:50
Speaker 3: laughing stock really on the world stage. Susan McDonald, nice
36:53
Speaker 3: to chat with you. Thanks very much for joining me
36:54
Speaker 3: on the show this evening.
36:55
Speaker 2: Really appreciate it well.
36:57
Speaker 3: The Australian government is currently considering acquiring Japanese frigates to
37:01
Speaker 3: replace the ANZAC class frigates. An investigations reporter Jonathan Lee
37:06
Speaker 3: is on the ground for US for a special report
37:08
Speaker 3: from Japan.
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Speaker 13: Danika ship launchers aren't my normal round, but I want
37:13
Speaker 13: to put something into context for your viewers. Almost twenty
37:17
Speaker 13: years ago, Mitsubishi stopped manufacturing vehicles in Australia. A lot
37:21
Speaker 13: has changed in that time. Now Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, together
37:26
Speaker 13: with the Japanese government, are lobbying our government to win
37:29
Speaker 13: a lucrative defense contract that could see it construct nearly
37:33
Speaker 13: a dozen frigates that our navy desperately needs for a
37:37
Speaker 13: ship launch. You might expect more fanfare, but Japan is
37:41
Speaker 13: turning out it's Magami class frigates at a rate of
37:44
Speaker 13: two a year. Soon it will be three. Sky News
37:49
Speaker 13: As a guest of the Japanese government, we're given a
37:52
Speaker 13: tour of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries one hundred and fifty year
37:55
Speaker 13: old shipyard in Nagasaki, a yard targeted by the second
37:59
Speaker 13: atomic bomb. Japan is keen to show Australia it can
38:02
Speaker 13: deliver eleven Magami class frigates to our navy. Our Defense
38:06
Speaker 13: Department is tossing up between the Japanese bid and the
38:09
Speaker 13: rival German bid by shipbuilder TKMS. The first three ships
38:14
Speaker 13: would be built overseas, the first arriving from twenty twenty nine,
38:18
Speaker 13: the rest built in Western Australia. The truth is our
38:21
Speaker 13: navy needs fresh legs and firepower. Our three frontline destroyers
38:26
Speaker 13: require upgrading. Our seven remaining Anzac class frigates are fragile
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Speaker 13: and outdated. Our resupply ships are new but broken. Our
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Speaker 13: six Hund class frigates will be late, undergunned and over budget,
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Speaker 13: leading our government to now decide on who will build
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Speaker 13: our eleven multipurpose frigates and six unmanned vessels some time
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Speaker 13: off in the future. Atsushi Yoshioka is the senior project
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Speaker 13: manager of the team trying to woo our government. What
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Speaker 13: do you think about potential changes? The Australian government is
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Speaker 13: notoriously a difficult buyer.
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Speaker 14: For ourly and we think they should that like that, Tholer,
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Speaker 14: So leave it as it is, is what you say.
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Speaker 14: I think so that is a good thing for them
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Speaker 14: to get the Ardia as possible.
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Speaker 13: Was so if they want to get it in the
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Speaker 13: water as quickly as possible, leave it alone.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, I think so. Off the self is a
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Speaker 14: good thing for them. So of the self off the
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Speaker 14: shelf is a good thing for them, Yeah, I think so.
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Speaker 13: Former PM Tony Abbott says rejecting the Japanese bid wouldn't
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Speaker 13: damage our relationship with Japan, but it would raise serious questions.
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Speaker 15: I don't think it would break the relationship, but it
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Speaker 15: certainly would be a great disappointment and they would be thinking,
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Speaker 15: as I am, what's the hesitation our.
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Speaker 16: Prioriti needs to be just getting a ship. I'm not
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Speaker 16: convinced that we will end up building eight in Australia.
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Speaker 16: I would like to see that continue. Ship building in
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Speaker 16: Australia is critical to our ability.
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Speaker 1: To respond to a conflict.
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Speaker 16: Naval war is a war of attrition, so we need
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Speaker 16: to be able to build ships and repair ships in
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Speaker 16: a conflict. But our priority right now is getting chips.
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Speaker 16: I think the main risk we should be considering right
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Speaker 16: now is which of the capabilities can we integrate into
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Speaker 16: the fleet as quickly as possible. Not which is the
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Speaker 16: best capability, not which is our strategic relationship, It's which
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Speaker 16: one can we actually get into the fleet commonality and sustain.
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Speaker 13: Japan's argument is tell us how many you want and
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Speaker 13: when you want them, Danika. Our government is hoping to
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Speaker 13: decide between the German and the Japanese bids by Christmas,
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Speaker 13: but with defense officials stating that we no longer have
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Speaker 13: a ten year warning time before potential conflict, perhaps the
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Speaker 13: bigger question is did we lose those ten years or
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Speaker 13: did we perhaps waste them?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Good question, Jonathan Lee, Thank you for that.
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Speaker 3: Looking forward to more of joho's investigations in Japan throughout
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Speaker 3: the week.
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Speaker 2: Stay with us after the break.
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Speaker 3: The extraordinary amount the nation's top public servants are being
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Speaker 3: paid and Cricket Australia looks set.
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Speaker 2: To snub Australia Day for the second year in a row.
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Speaker 3: That's next, welcome back, let's get stuck into it now.
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Speaker 2: And joining us is.
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Speaker 3: The Wednesday Rangel Panel columnist Justin Smith, and a Doni
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Speaker 3: Media is Lisa Goddard, heart of both of you.
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Speaker 2: Good to see you.
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Speaker 3: Now, Look, let's start with public service pay because it's
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Speaker 3: been reported that the nation's seventeen top public service mandarins
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Speaker 3: are set to be paid combined packages of up to
41:28
Speaker 3: sixteen point three million dollars. And that's in addition to
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Speaker 3: perk such as travel expenses. The Prime Minister's heads of
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Speaker 3: departments actually one pay bumps following our remuneration tribunal determination
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Speaker 3: which delivered increases for all department secretaries. Look, Lisa, I've
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Speaker 3: got to say, is this not a prime example of
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Speaker 3: why we need a doge sort of system here in
41:51
Speaker 3: this country?
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Speaker 17: It seems a little tone deaf, doesn't it, Dinigrin And
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Speaker 17: just on the back of all of the cross well,
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Speaker 17: the cross bench is being told, look, you have to live.
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Speaker 17: We're going to reduce the number of staff that you have.
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Speaker 17: And now we have this millionaires club being funded in
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Speaker 17: Canberra by us.
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Speaker 8: The tax payer.
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Speaker 17: So I just think at a time when you've got
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Speaker 17: food bank figures showing that more than a third of
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Speaker 17: Australians are in food insecurity, it's a really bad. Look.
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Speaker 17: I understand it under the umbrella of efficiency, but surely
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Speaker 17: you can make the public servants that we have work harder,
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Speaker 17: not actually increase their wages.
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Speaker 8: And look the figures.
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Speaker 17: Were what another three four hundred public servants on the
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Speaker 17: long list by next year, So this is a public
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Speaker 17: service that is blowing out. I just you think you're right.
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Speaker 17: I think we need a doze look at what's going
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Speaker 17: on down in Canberra.
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Speaker 3: I completely agree, justin what does it say about bureaucracy
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Speaker 3: under labor.
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Speaker 1: Look, I don't think it's just it's not just the
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Speaker 1: Labor Party. This is all governments over the last how
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Speaker 1: many decades have allowed these wages to creep up to
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Speaker 1: this unbelievably eye watering set of figures that we're looking
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Speaker 1: at now. And the thing that strikes me about this
43:01
Speaker 1: as we look you know the people who get this money,
43:03
Speaker 1: You're going to say, well, it's an independent tribunal that
43:05
Speaker 1: takes a look at this. So just imagine this tribunal.
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Speaker 1: They sit down, they get their calculators out, and they
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Speaker 1: look at the figures, and they look at the faces
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Speaker 1: in front of the people, and they say, these people
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Speaker 1: need more money. Why can't we give these people more money?
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Speaker 1: I mean, it is just when we've seen so many
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Speaker 1: people that businesses are closing, we're still sort of coming
43:25
Speaker 1: out of COVID, we've had cost of living, we've had
43:28
Speaker 1: energy prices, so many people that are struggling to pay
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Speaker 1: their bills now, and when they see figures like this,
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Speaker 1: it is so far out of the realm of people's imaginations.
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Speaker 1: It's a bloody insult.
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Speaker 3: To be honest, I agree, it's a complete insult and
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Speaker 3: it is totally tone deaf right now in particularly in
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Speaker 3: this current climate.
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Speaker 2: I think you're both spot on now.
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Speaker 3: Look for the second year in a row, Cricket Australia
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Speaker 3: has made the decision not to play a game, not
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Speaker 3: to play a match on Australia Day. The twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: six Big Bash has been scheduled to conclude on January
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Speaker 3: twenty five, even though Australia Day is a public holiday.
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Speaker 2: Look LISTA.
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Speaker 3: This is a second year ri right Cricket Australia has
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Speaker 3: been bending over backwards. As we know, to really avoid
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Speaker 3: any games on Australia Day is to not offend indigenous Australians.
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Speaker 2: Has it gone woke?
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Speaker 10: Well?
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Speaker 17: I thought sport was meant to unite a country and
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Speaker 17: I thought, especially in Australia, cricket on Australia Day was
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Speaker 17: meant to come on, it's meant to unite us or yes,
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Speaker 17: you can back your own team, but bring us together.
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Speaker 8: And that's not what this does. And I don't know,
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Speaker 8: it's July and we're already.
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Speaker 17: Talking about Australia Day. So for me that already makes
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Speaker 17: me roll my eyes. But the fact that here we
44:38
Speaker 17: are again having this conversation, the next question will be
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Speaker 17: which corporates are now going to back out of supporting
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Speaker 17: Australia Day again next year? It's oh, come on, justin,
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Speaker 17: come on, you don't agree justin?
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Speaker 1: Look, no, absolutely not this story. And for me, as
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Speaker 1: a journalist who doesn't mind the odd beat up, I've
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Speaker 1: got to say this is one of the biggest beat
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Speaker 1: ups I've ever seen cricket Australia. From what we're being told,
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Speaker 1: they didn't avoid Australia Day. It is just that they
45:06
Speaker 1: just put it on a different day and it just
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Speaker 1: doesn't happen to be on Australia Day. Isn't it bad
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Speaker 1: enough that we actually have to have a bloody Australia
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Speaker 1: Day on January twenty six to people like you have
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Speaker 1: a problem every time we're not waving the flag enough.
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Speaker 1: It's not Australian enough. I mean, come on, you already
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Speaker 1: won this one, so you know, why don't you just
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Speaker 1: be gracious about it?
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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, you're right, we were having this discussion.
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Speaker 3: Well no, well it's not a beat up. I mean
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Speaker 3: the reality is it is our national sport. Why can't
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Speaker 3: we play it on our national day? But what have
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Speaker 3: Cricket Australia got to hide? You can well you can't
45:43
Speaker 3: apparently according to Cricket Australia, according to the latest fixtures,
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Speaker 3: you can't justin And this is this is the problem
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Speaker 3: with these woke corporate elites.
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Speaker 2: But you know, we'll disagree.
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Speaker 1: It's so it's woke to disagree on something, and it's
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Speaker 1: woke not to have cricket on a date.
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Speaker 2: Should should have?
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Speaker 1: We should have less you sit there. I think that
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Speaker 1: this is the ridiculous thing about Australia Day. Unless you
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Speaker 1: zinc on your nose, or you cook sausages or you
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Speaker 1: fly the flag, it looks like you're not being Australian enough.
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Speaker 1: I'm not Australian enough for this country.
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Speaker 2: It's just.
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Speaker 1: I'm not proud of January.
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Speaker 3: But a lot of people say if you do wave
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Speaker 3: a flag in Australia Day that you're a disgrace.
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Speaker 2: I mean, gosh, where does it anyway? Look, let's move on.
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Speaker 3: Because the South Australian government is facing backlash over its
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Speaker 3: ban on junk food ads on public transporters. They've included
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Speaker 3: rice cakes and soy milk under this bad and at
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Speaker 3: least I'm no nutritionis no health expert myself.
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Speaker 2: But soy milk and rice cakes? Can you explain that.
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Speaker 8: You've obviously tried one of these rice cakes?
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Speaker 7: Right?
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Speaker 8: But not exactly the.
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Speaker 17: Most delicious thing that you can ever eat eating a
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Speaker 17: piece of cardboard.
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Speaker 8: It's about what you put on top of it. No
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Speaker 8: one's out there. It is ridiculous.
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Speaker 17: This is the point where you've got rice cakes and
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Speaker 17: you've got soy milk and soy milk.
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Speaker 8: If you look at that as what it's compared to
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Speaker 8: cow's milk.
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Speaker 17: Nutrition is the recommending it, and you've got the South
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Speaker 17: Australian government that's decided not it seems on nutritional advice
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Speaker 17: to go out there and declare this in the same
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Speaker 17: bucket as what fries, hamburgers, hot dogs.
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Speaker 8: Everything else has been wiped off the list.
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Speaker 17: I just think at some point you have to allow
47:17
Speaker 17: people to make decisions for themselves.
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Speaker 8: And if it goes as far as rice cakes, what's next? Lentils?
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Speaker 3: Well, lentils, lentils, any sort of beans exactly Next next
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Speaker 3: is vegetables.
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Speaker 2: I mean, god knows what. Now. Look before I let
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Speaker 2: you go, I.
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Speaker 3: Want to ask you justin about Donald Trump, because this
47:32
Speaker 3: so called big beautiful bill. It's narrowly past the US Senate.
47:37
Speaker 3: But Elon Musk has been quite a vocal critic of
47:39
Speaker 3: the bill and has even threatened to state to make
47:42
Speaker 3: a new political party if passed. But it seems to
47:45
Speaker 3: look this romance as well and truly over The President
47:48
Speaker 3: even said he would perhaps look at the possibility of
47:51
Speaker 3: deporting Elon Musker.
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Speaker 2: What is going on over there? Do you think, justin?
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Speaker 1: Oh, look, thank god, this grudges back on. You know,
47:58
Speaker 1: I was sad there for a while because it looked
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Speaker 1: like that it was just going to fizzle out and
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Speaker 1: go away. But then goodness, something reunited again. There's one
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Speaker 1: thing that the Golden Prince that the Orange Prince does
48:09
Speaker 1: so well is he says the word maybe. So people say, Tom,
48:12
Speaker 1: I've even thought about deporting Elon Musk. He says, maybe,
48:15
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe you know, maybe I might do that.
48:18
Speaker 1: You know, you're going to put on a two tube.
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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. So then the press say, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: look Donald Trump is not ruled out deporting Elon Musk.
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Speaker 1: It's just good. I love it. I love the circus.
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Speaker 1: I can't get enough.
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Speaker 2: I know, but hey, look it is quite funny. I
48:31
Speaker 2: think that's probably a little bit of a joke.
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Speaker 3: I don't think he's being particularly serious, but it keeps
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Speaker 3: us entertained and gives us something to chat about. Justin Smith,
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Speaker 3: Lisa god Art, thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 2: We'll see you again soon. Appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's all we've got time for tonight. Up next
48:44
Speaker 3: is Kredlin with Steve Price.
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Speaker 2: Good Night,