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#2104 Are "Bad Fats" Actually Bad? - David Gillespie · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I got our champs at Craig Anthony Harper. It's Tiffany Cook,
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  Speaker 1: It's David James Gillespie. That's not true, it's the U Project.
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  Speaker 1: Gilespow drops in once a fortnite, the great Man and
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  Speaker 1: entertains us and enthralls us and educates us, and every
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  Speaker 1: now and then we have a bit of an argument.
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  Speaker 1: But the coen of the world's been away in Van
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  Speaker 1: Diemen's Land, just toughing it out down there in the
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  Speaker 1: wilds of Tazzi with her new bloke. Now did the
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  Speaker 1: new bloke get the tick of approval from the fifteen
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  Speaker 1: hundred family members?
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  Speaker 2: Mate? I I was just filtering my own phone for
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  Speaker 2: smsages that were getting sent directly to him through me,
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  Speaker 2: not just addressed straight to Scott. I'm like, hi, guys,
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  Speaker 2: high fam, I'm home too. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So in a social setting, I feel like you just
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  Speaker 1: push him in the door, wind up that little thing
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  Speaker 1: on his back, just you know, the little wind up Scott,
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  Speaker 1: and just fucking just push him in and then come
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  Speaker 1: back two hours later and get him.
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  Speaker 2: I could go to family events. I could have just
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  Speaker 2: dropped him off and taken off and went for a
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  Speaker 2: massage and come back and got him.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody would have noticed. And when you came back, they'd
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  Speaker 1: be were like, oh, how great is Scott and you're like,
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  Speaker 1: fucking eye roll. Yeah, he's all right, but fuck, there's
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  Speaker 1: a threshold. Just hang around. No, seriously, before we talked
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  Speaker 1: to gilespa about grown up things, did he get the
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  Speaker 1: tick or no? He did get the tick?
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  Speaker 2: He most certainly did.
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  Speaker 1: Who did he most Enama? Is there someone in the
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  Speaker 1: family who just fucking loves him?
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  Speaker 2: Uncle Greg? I took I took him out to my
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  Speaker 2: uncle Greg's because Greg's got a pristine.
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  Speaker 1: Garat motorbike collection, Yes.
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  Speaker 2: The motor bike Collection. So I just sat there like
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  Speaker 2: Auntie Tiff while those two kids talked bikes and motors
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  Speaker 2: and out for about an hour, and then I just
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  Speaker 2: got text messages from Greg to send straight to Scott.
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  Speaker 2: It's just checking show, old mate, this show this to
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  Speaker 2: old mate.
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  Speaker 1: We'll just call you the conduit. Well it does start
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  Speaker 1: with seeing N and T and the word is conduit. Gleisspo.
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  Speaker 1: How are you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Good? How are you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I'm good mate? What's going on in the thriving metropolis
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  Speaker 1: up there?
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  Speaker 3: Are you?
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  Speaker 1: Do you go to court? These days? Still or do
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  Speaker 1: you try to.
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  Speaker 4: I don't do that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: That's when you've been charged, now, that's right, receiving when
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  Speaker 1: you've got the cuffs on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, nothing much interesting has been going on
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  Speaker 3: up here. I've been writing a few pieces of every
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  Speaker 3: one today, which we'll talk about a bit. Yeah, as usual,
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  Speaker 3: you're profoundly underprepared for the discussion, but I'll try to
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  Speaker 3: carry us through.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to disappoint you. Imagine if I came,
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  Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, I can't make fun of him.
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  Speaker 1: I can't give him shit. I do this. My lack
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  Speaker 1: of preparation is just a sign of respect.
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  Speaker 4: Ah.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to be happy so you can attack me.
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  Speaker 1: And also if you didn't, I wouldn't know who the
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  Speaker 1: fuck was on the other end.
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  Speaker 4: That's right, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So you wrote an article, let me just intro it,
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  Speaker 1: and obviously I know fuck all about it because I
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  Speaker 1: got home at three minutes to recording time. You wrote
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  Speaker 1: an article called one hundred and fifty billion dollar fat scam,
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  Speaker 1: how industrial waste became heart healthy food. And there's a
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  Speaker 1: big Stonking graph in the middle of my page wherever
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  Speaker 1: you want to start.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Well, just a few grabs. First, because you and
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  Speaker 3: I talked about seed oils before, and just to be
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  Speaker 3: really really clear what a seed oil is, it's oils
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  Speaker 3: extracted from seeds or what are generally called vegetable oils
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  Speaker 3: on the labels in Australia. So these are things like
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  Speaker 3: canola oils, sunflower oil, safflower oil, soybean oil, or just
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  Speaker 3: often just described as vegetable oil that you know, no
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  Speaker 3: vegetables were harmed in their creation, so it's a bit
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  Speaker 3: of a misleading description of them, but.
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  Speaker 4: That's what they are, and they are now.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I could say you go looking in the
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  Speaker 3: supermarket for vegetable oils and that will be like directing
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  Speaker 3: you to the ocean to find some water. It is everywhere,
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  Speaker 3: It's in everything. So I've struggled with how to communicate
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  Speaker 3: properly how extremely dangerous these things are. And this is
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  Speaker 3: another bash at it, and I thought I sort of
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  Speaker 3: boil it down to a couple of fairly interesting factoids
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  Speaker 3: that I've come up with.
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  Speaker 4: One is that the average Australian is currently.
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  Speaker 1: Can I read this bit? I just found it because
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to read it, and then new comments on
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  Speaker 1: it because it's fucking amazing. The average Australian is currently
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  Speaker 1: eighteen percent industrial sludge by weights. That's concerning. What does
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  Speaker 1: that mean? Say I'm eighty kilos ock, Well, that's no good.
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  Speaker 1: It takes six hundred and eighty days to listen to this,
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  Speaker 1: six hundred and eighty days for a single hot chips
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  Speaker 1: So for a single cup of hot chips worth of
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  Speaker 1: seed oil to leave your system, your cells are literally
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  Speaker 1: rusting from the inside out. Here's a graph that shouldn't exist,
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  Speaker 1: which you can talk about. Heart disease killed fewer than
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  Speaker 1: ten percent of Australians fewer than ten percent in nine
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  Speaker 1: one hundred. By the nine en sixties it was the
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  Speaker 1: nation's leading killer. If you plot those deaths against butter consumption,
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  Speaker 1: the lines move in the opposite direction. We ate nearly
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  Speaker 1: eight to killograms of butter per person in nineteen hundred
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  Speaker 1: with low heart disease, and today we eat what is
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  Speaker 1: a little bit over a quarter that roughly two point
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  Speaker 1: eight kilograms of butter, and obviously heart diseases through the roof.
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  Speaker 1: Now plotted against vegetable oil in nine to ten, it
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  Speaker 1: didn't exist in our shops. By twenty twenty sixty, average
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  Speaker 1: fuck me drunk. The average Australian consumes over thirty two
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  Speaker 1: grams of vegetable two kilos kilos, sorry kilos, Yeah, kilos
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  Speaker 1: are vegetable oil, my god, annually. The healthy heart advice
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  Speaker 1: of the last fifty years, the era of the Heart Foundation,
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  Speaker 1: didn't just fail at backfight. I'm nearly done. The experts
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  Speaker 1: will point to falling death rates as proof of success,
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  Speaker 1: but don't be filled. We didn't dissolve heart disease. We
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  Speaker 1: just brought more time. We just brought more time with
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  Speaker 1: expensive drugs and emergency surgery. That is kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: how do people even argue with that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's rarely presented in that way. And that's
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  Speaker 3: what I guess I'm trying to do is show the
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  Speaker 3: danger here in a way that makes it clear. And
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  Speaker 3: the graph, which you know, a lot of people don't
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  Speaker 3: like graphs. I love graphs because I think you can
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  Speaker 3: say an awful lot with the graph that we know
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  Speaker 3: you'll take you forever to write. But this particular graph
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  Speaker 3: has two lines on it and they track each other,
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  Speaker 3: you know, at almost one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 4: Match.
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  Speaker 3: And that is the rise of seed oil's consumption and
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  Speaker 3: the rise of incidents of heart disease. Now I should
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  Speaker 3: just use the term incident. Be clear about what I
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  Speaker 3: mean by incidents. Incidence is the rate of heart disease
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  Speaker 3: in the population. So this isn't because the population's rising.
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  Speaker 3: This is what percentage of the population or what number
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  Speaker 3: per hundred thousand people, which is the official measure, have
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  Speaker 3: this disease, And that tracks almost perfectly. You know, it's
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  Speaker 3: at a ninety eight percent match to the line of
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  Speaker 3: consumption of seed oils, so practically zero at the turn
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  Speaker 3: of the twentieth century up to almost identically in the
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  Speaker 3: same place by twenty twenty. And if you put on
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  Speaker 3: that same graph mortality, so the number of people who
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  Speaker 3: die from heart disease, that tracked the same line up
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  Speaker 3: until the nineteen sixties. But then that line started declining.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the one we always hear about. That's the one.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we've solved heart disease, We're getting on top
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  Speaker 3: of it. It's dropping fast. But the reality is that
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  Speaker 3: what happened in the nineteen sixties is we we invented
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  Speaker 3: ways of curing or at least delaying heart disease with
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  Speaker 3: surgery most often, so we got brand new types of
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  Speaker 3: surgery on the heart which started to come into effect
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  Speaker 3: in the nineteen sixties and which is still there today.
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  Speaker 4: We got better.
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  Speaker 3: I've got drugs that are better at prolonging people's lives,
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  Speaker 3: blood thinners and so on once they've had a heart attack,
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  Speaker 3: and we're better at keeping people alive. So that line
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  Speaker 3: has improved. But that's not the line of concern. The
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  Speaker 3: line of concern is that the incidence just keeps rising
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  Speaker 3: for as long as we keep consuming seed oils and
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  Speaker 3: just for fun. On the same graph, I put our
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  Speaker 3: consumption of butter, which, as you pointed out, dropped significantly
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  Speaker 3: from about a kilos to two point a kilos over
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  Speaker 3: the course of the same period of time. Now we've
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  Speaker 3: been told by all the experts, but the reason that
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  Speaker 3: heart disease was a problem was everyone was eating too
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  Speaker 3: much saturated fat, and butter was often touted as the
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  Speaker 3: primary source of that, but also milk. You know, you
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  Speaker 3: would have grown up in the a so you were
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  Speaker 3: told to eat low fat milk and trim this and
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  Speaker 3: trim that, and you know, low fat everything, no saturated fat,
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  Speaker 3: it's the deadly thing. But the reality is that graph
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  Speaker 3: shows us that saturated fat, if anything, has dropped significantly
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  Speaker 3: in the last century, but the incidence of heart disease
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  Speaker 3: has just kept on rising because the amount of polyunsaturated
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  Speaker 3: fat or seed oils that we consume has grown at
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  Speaker 3: the same rate. And that's what I'm trying to bring
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  Speaker 3: to the surface here and then and then if we
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  Speaker 3: take a little bit further into the so what category, come.
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  Speaker 4: Back to those those.
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  Speaker 3: Facts that I that you read out before, which is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if we're if we're one fifth seed oil
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  Speaker 3: one fifth polyunsaturated fat, Because humans, polyunsaturated fats like the
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  Speaker 3: amiga six and the amiga three that are found in
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  Speaker 3: seed oils are really really rare in our natural environment.
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  Speaker 3: In evolutionary terms, they were hard for us to come by.
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  Speaker 3: The only way to consume them was to, I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: come across a crop of lind seeds and eat them all.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it was in the wild, in the wild, and.
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  Speaker 4: It was It's difficult.
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  Speaker 3: And because of that, we're optimized to conserve them if
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  Speaker 3: we find them, so our bodies don't get rid of
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  Speaker 3: those fats if they encounter them, because we use them,
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  Speaker 3: we need them, We need them to run our immune system.
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  Speaker 3: Amega six of pro inflammatory omega three are anti inflammatory,
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  Speaker 3: We run them in balance, we need them in our
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  Speaker 3: immune system. We can't manufacture them ourselves. We have to
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  Speaker 3: get them from our diet. We're often told to eat
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  Speaker 3: fish because they contain them. Fish have no more ability
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  Speaker 3: to generate them than we do. It's just that they
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  Speaker 3: eat a lot of seaweed, well a lot more than
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  Speaker 3: I do anyway, and so they like us when they
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  Speaker 3: capture those fats, store them because they're actually really.
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  Speaker 4: Important to have in at certain levels. Now, in cattle who.
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  Speaker 3: Eat a diet that consists entirely of food that contains
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  Speaker 3: those fats, they have built in limitters to make sure
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  Speaker 3: they don't have too much of it in their fat.
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  Speaker 3: So the optimum amount of these things in your body
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  Speaker 3: is about three percent of your body fat. So about
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  Speaker 3: three percent of your body fat should be these things
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  Speaker 3: to help build brains, run your immune system, all that
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  Speaker 3: kind of thing. And we've talked before about how a
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  Speaker 3: good sign as to how brainy a woman's first child
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  Speaker 3: is likely to be is how much of this fat
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  Speaker 3: she's managed to store on her body.
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  Speaker 4: So the really bad thing, though, is.
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  Speaker 3: That, unlike cattle who can optimize and manage it at
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  Speaker 3: three percent, we don't do that. We're omnivores, and because
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  Speaker 3: it was so rare in the environment, we just hang
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  Speaker 3: on to everything we can get. Not a problem when
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  Speaker 3: there isn't that much of it in our environment, but
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  Speaker 3: is a problem when it's in every single piece of
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  Speaker 3: food on the supermarket shelf. That's why eighteen percent of
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  Speaker 3: the average Australian is now this fat. And that's a really,
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  Speaker 3: really bad thing because this fat oxidizes inside our bodies,
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  Speaker 3: and when it oxidizes, it interacts with our DNA is.
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  Speaker 3: It interacts with our DNA, It interferes with our mitochondria,
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  Speaker 3: our ability to produce energy. It interferes with our insulin reception,
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  Speaker 3: encouraging us to be heavier than we otherwise would be
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  Speaker 3: in creating insulin resistance. It interferes with a lot of
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  Speaker 3: other metabolic processes in the body. When we have excessive
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  Speaker 3: amounts of a.
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  Speaker 4: Mega six and I would say twenty percent by body
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  Speaker 4: weight is an excessive amount of anything, let alone Omega six.
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  Speaker 3: But that's where we are. And the reason is that
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  Speaker 3: other point that I made, which is it takes two
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  Speaker 3: years to get this out of your system. You consume
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  Speaker 3: a hot chip today, the branched canola oil that was
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  Speaker 3: cooked in is with you for the next two years.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. And I'm just looking at this graph and
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  Speaker 1: what is interesting is that around you know, like from
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  Speaker 1: the nineteen hundred's ish, it's just like the heart disease
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  Speaker 1: has kind of steadily climbed and seed oil use has climbed.
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  Speaker 1: So as you said, it's relatively neck for neck. But
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  Speaker 1: I just had a quick squeeze when heart surgery started
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  Speaker 1: and in kind of a common not like a rare
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  Speaker 1: case thing or a rare use, but kind of sixties
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  Speaker 1: and seventies where heart surgery became more normalized and obviously
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  Speaker 1: through the eighties, but also the use of all the
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  Speaker 1: you know, the medication is too lower cholesterol and blood
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  Speaker 1: pressure and all of those things. And so it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of misattribution because they're saying, oh, no, we started this
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  Speaker 1: much healthier vegetable oil option over unsaturated versus saturated, which
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  Speaker 1: I grew up being no pun intended saturated with that
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  Speaker 1: message and thinking, well, this has gone down and we
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  Speaker 1: introduced vegetable oil, Therefore that's the cause. And bibbity Bobby boo.
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  Speaker 1: But it's kind of perhaps got nothing to do with
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  Speaker 1: it well, definitely got anything nothing to do with it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, one other interesting thing is you might have noticed
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  Speaker 3: looking at the graph that for the first bit of
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  Speaker 3: the journey, the heart disease incidents actually tracks quite a
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  Speaker 3: bit ahead of the seed oil It's only in the
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  Speaker 3: last since the nineteen eighties that they have sort of
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  Speaker 3: matched up in terms of their trajectory. So heart disease
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  Speaker 3: was actually growing more rapidly than seed oil consumption. And
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  Speaker 3: the explanation for that, By the way, I had a
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  Speaker 3: different graph that had this on it, but I thought
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  Speaker 3: it was just getting too confusing. Is smoking. Smoking peaked
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  Speaker 3: in the nineteen sixties. It had explosive growth from the
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  Speaker 3: start of the century through to the nineteen sixties, and
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  Speaker 3: then dropped off very, very suddenly after that. Smoking produces
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  Speaker 3: aldehydes which are just as bad for you as seed oil,
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  Speaker 3: and everyone in the medical profession is quite happy to
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  Speaker 3: accept that. But when you say to them, actually, the
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  Speaker 3: alder hides produced from your heart healthy seed oil loaded
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  Speaker 3: breakfast cereal or mayonnaise or whatever you want to name,
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  Speaker 3: is producing alder hides which are at least as dangerous
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  Speaker 3: as the ones that you accept come from smoking. So
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  Speaker 3: that's The reason that the heart disease lines actually go
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  Speaker 3: ahead of the seed oil lines up until the nineteen
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  Speaker 3: sixties is it was seed oil plus smoking. Then now
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  Speaker 3: it's just seed oil or largely seed oil. So I
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  Speaker 3: guess one of the things that might be occurring to
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  Speaker 3: you is, Oh, by the way, I want to talk
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  Speaker 3: to you about the Sydney diet heart study. Now, we
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  Speaker 3: talked either last time or the time before about the
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  Speaker 3: Minnesota County experiment, which was a massive experiment in the
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  Speaker 3: United States where they wanted to prove that if you
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  Speaker 3: gave people corn oil they instead of eating saturated fat,
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  Speaker 3: they would lower their cholesterol and they assumed would also
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  Speaker 3: lower mortality, etc. It turned out it did lower the
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  Speaker 3: cholesterol as predicted, it just didn't have any well. It
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  Speaker 3: had the opposite effect on mortality. It significantly increased mortality,
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  Speaker 3: not just from heart disease but from all causes, which
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  Speaker 3: usually means cancer as well. So there was a Sydney study,
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  Speaker 3: a study done in Sydney at around the same time,
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  Speaker 3: using pretty much the same methodology, and it found it's
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  Speaker 3: called the Sydney Diet Heart study. It found that those
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  Speaker 3: who replay, who replaced the use of butter, and this
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  Speaker 3: one was a direct replacement. Take butter out of people's diets,
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  Speaker 3: tell them to use margarine made with ceflower oil instead,
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  Speaker 3: which was the common margarine at the time, and they
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  Speaker 3: recorded a sixty two percent higher death rate.
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  Speaker 1: How did they remember, you told me. I can't remember
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  Speaker 1: the answer. How did they explain that in the write up?
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  Speaker 3: Like they didn't. They didn't explain it in the write up.
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  Speaker 3: What they explained was that it reduced the level of cholesterol,
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  Speaker 3: which it did. They just didn't mention the bit about
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  Speaker 3: Oh and the rest of the data you might want
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  Speaker 3: to know about just happened to kill.
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  Speaker 4: A lot more people. But let's not worry too much
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  Speaker 4: about that detail.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, this is one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that and I don't even pretend actually to be
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  Speaker 1: a great scientist science, ye, but yeah, over the years
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  Speaker 1: doing my bits and pieces at Union, more recently in
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  Speaker 1: my PhD. But that's just how unethical research is. When
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  Speaker 1: people are trying to demonstrate something and then when they
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  Speaker 1: get data that either disproves it or doesn't prove it,
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  Speaker 1: or kind of highlights other really really interesting and potentially
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  Speaker 1: important outcomes. If that convenient once inconvenient or deadly ones,
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  Speaker 1: and it doesn't suit their narrative. They just don't like
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  Speaker 1: imagine if they reported that, they went, you know what, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the cholesterol thing, bibbity bobby. But but listen to this
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  Speaker 1: because but fucking sit down. Let me tell you what
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  Speaker 1: else we discovered. They're not going to do that.
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  Speaker 4: No, And it took people going back and looking at
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  Speaker 4: their original data to have that fact come out. And
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: it was researcher, Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: It's the same researcher, a fellow by the name of
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  Speaker 3: Ramsden at the National Institute of Health in the United
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  Speaker 3: States who redid the Minnesota County experiment data, like found
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  Speaker 3: the data and redid the experiments and reanalyzed the data
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  Speaker 3: and concluded it was deadly. He did it with the
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Sydney diet heart study as well. And even when that
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: was reported in twenty.
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  Speaker 4: Sixteen, the Hard Foundation and various dieticians still came out
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  Speaker 4: and said, oh, you confusing, it's out of context, et cetera,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: et cetera. But it's nonsense.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: It is thorough and it is complete, and it shows
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  Speaker 3: death rates increased by sixty two percent.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and yet twenty to thirty years later, all the
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: experts were telling us to do exactly the thing that
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: that study said would increase death rates.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, this we'd have.
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  Speaker 3: Lower cholesterol, which would mean, you know, we'd only our
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: corpse would have a much better blood result.
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  Speaker 4: But that I would have thought is largely irrelevant to
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: someone who's dead.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: It's probably not top of the list. I mean, Brian,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Brian's dead, but fucking check out his calesterolesterol.
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  Speaker 4: Man, Ye, how clear is that?
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Wow? If Funny wasn't dead, this is be super helpful. Yeah, yeah,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: it's it's like, I know it's not funny, but it's
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: kind of funny. And the problem is that, and I
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: know I'm getting more broad and I'll come back, but
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: it's like people who don't really understand, you know, science
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  Speaker 1: at that level because they're not doing that, or they're
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: not researchers, which is cool. They look up to people
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: who are researchers and scientists, and you know, when somebody
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: writes science tells us, most people just think, well, that's
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the truth then, but science tells us bullshit all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a there's a number around that which is
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: veniently escaped my brain. But it's something like eighty percent
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  Speaker 3: of published studies are subsequently proven to be false.
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  Speaker 4: It's some enormous.
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  Speaker 1: Number, crazy, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, what I did with this article though, is I thought,
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  Speaker 3: this is all very thrilling, but how do you apply it?
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  Speaker 4: You know, what do you actually do?
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: And so what I've done is I've this time, I've
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  Speaker 3: included sort of a list of the top ten places
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  Speaker 3: you're going to find seed oils in the supermarket, and
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 4: What you should be looking at there, so you know.
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  Speaker 3: Number one is all these Barista plant based milks, you know, oat, almond,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: soay milks, everything like that. They're all full of conolerants
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: and some fowl oil. Okay, it's it's added in there
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: to create the froth and the creamy mouthfeel that mimics
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: theiry because there is three percent fat, so they've got
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: to put three percent fat in these things, and so
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: they're not going to put milk in there, So what
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  Speaker 3: they do is they put seed oil in there instead.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, I ask people to keep an eye
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  Speaker 4: out and.
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  Speaker 3: Avoid white to soy, almond breeze, and a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the coals and alwors home brands. Number two is all
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: the healthy you know, musely granola type stuff, right, that's
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: to get.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: That crunchy cluster texture that you get on thense things.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: They're often full of sunfloil oil or just you not
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: described to vegetable oil, which is going to be a
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: seed oil.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Whole egg and olive oil. Mayonnaise.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: People see whole egg on the label and think to themselves, oh,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: whole egg must be good. Well, sure it has an
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: egg in it, but it's an egg in seed oil.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: There isn't a commercial brand on the shelves that isn't
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: made with sunflower oil. So yeah, Actually a couple of
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: American brands use soybean oil, which is even worse.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: But they they're all bad bad news.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: The old bachelor's handbag, you know, the supermarket roast chickens. Yeah,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: you might look at that and think, well, there's not
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: gonna be any seed all there. They didn't cover it
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: in seed all before they roasted it.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: No, they didn't. But the seasoning and stuffing is often
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: pretty heavy and canola oil. It's to keep the meat
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: moist under the heat lamps and give that skin sort
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: of a golden sheen. So you gotta watch that one.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Dips always seed oil. There are very few exceptions to that.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: You know, artisan and multi grain breads, a lot of
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: a lot of canola used in those things. You know,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: rice crapper crackers and veggie chips. You know, they often
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: say things like baked not fried, but the oil is
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: sprayed on after the baking to help the season stick
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: to it. So you know, frozen pies and pastries, yeah,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: you know they're gonna they're using oil to get the crunch.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: And all the nut butters you know, often very very
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: high in seed oils. So I'm not going to read
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: out the rest of it to you, but I also
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: go on and talk about there's a whole bunch of
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: products that are that are guaranteed to be seed oil free,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: and more importantly, how do you stop consuming them? If
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: it's going to take you two years to get this
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: stuff out of your system, what do you have to
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: do to make it happen? Aside from just not eating it, well,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: not eating it is a good start. But you also,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: and this might sort of play into an area that
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: you have an interest in, is making sure that what
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: you're doing exercise wise is burning fat and not carbohydrate.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Because the goal here is to burn this stuff up
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: and get it out of your body. So you want
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: to do things that you know that what's it called
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: the crossover. I don't know your views on the you
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: know that there's all those graphs or crossovers and things.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: You probably know more about it than I do.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: So you're burning both carb and fat no matter what
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: you do. But it's the percentages. It's the percentages. So
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: you know, higher intensity, more carbohydrate, but it's but it's
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and also anyway, the bottom line is kind of lower
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: intensity ish stuff anywhere sort.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Of sixty sixteen percent ish, sort of up to sixty
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  Speaker 3: percent sort of thing.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Heart rate.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: So, and then I also put a bit in about
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: some things that will help you liver because a lot
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: of this, all this fat has to make its way out.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Via the liver and having increasing your antioxidants, so vitamin
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: is a good one, you know, those sorts of things.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: But and while I mentioned you could do this with supplements,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: you could also just do it by eating eggs, you know,
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: for the for the colleen, and the you know.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: A handful of for the vitamin E.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: It's it's relatively you don't have to be popping pills
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: to do this, but it doesn't hurt to.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: To give you a liver some help.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So for our listeners, I'm just doing some quick
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: maths here like, and this is not perfect science, everyone,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: feel free to jump on ai. But a relatively recent
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: formula for figuring out your maximum heart rate, remember this
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: is just ballpark, is two hundred and eight minus your
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: age times point seven. So two O eight minus your
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: age times point seven. So let me give you an example.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: So let's say you're thirty five, or let's say you're fifty,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: so that will be two O eight minus fifty times
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: point seven, which comes out to thirty five. Of course,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: thirty five away from two to eight comes down to
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: one seventy three, so that would be your maximum heart
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: eight safely maximum heart rate one seventy three is or
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: one seventy five whatever, and then you just work down
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: from that. So if you wanted to work out sixty percent,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: you would just go one seventy three times point six
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: or seventy percent one seventy three times point seven. So
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: that's just kind of a kind of a guide that
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: you probably didn't need, but you might want to know,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: how the fuck do I figure out sixty percent of
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: my maximum heart rate.
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  Speaker 3: There you go, but let's just emphasize why it's important.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: You know, aside from you know, the fabulousness of exercise.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: It's it's ha.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: The worst ad ever for exercise. You're like the advertising booze.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd probably be just as bad advertising booze as
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: you would. But the point here is what we're trying
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: to achieve is we want the body to get to
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: burn fat as much as possible, because you know, if
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: twenty percent of your body is a fat that is
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: active hurting you, then we wanted out of your system
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: as quickly as possible. And some people might go there
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: and say, well, then what I've got to do is
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I've just got to exercise like a loan, and that
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: will actually be counterproductive because then you're into carbohydrate burning
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: and it's blocking your body removing fat. What you want
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: to be doing is exercising at you know, that sort
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: of up to sixty percent range, so that the body
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: is utilizing fat and preferably you know, the fat you
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: want to get rid of, but it'll be utilizing all fat,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: but targeting getting that fat out of your body.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I have a quick story. The other day I finished
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: a workout and I don't drink many protein drinks these days.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: But I stopped in two old seven eleven, where I
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: usually get a coffee debuted anyway. I went, I'm going
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: to get a protein drink, an up and go of
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: got well new to me thing, and it's just like
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: up and go protein. I had to look at the
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: protein's forty so I'm like, that's a lot of protein
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: that'll do me. I was in a hurry, paid for that,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I got in the car, got in the car, I thought,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I better look at what's in it. It's like, really
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: quite high. Up was canola oil. Yep, and seven fucking
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: teaspoons of sugar.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, And is seed oil and sugar
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: and whatever protein pill or whatever else they've thrown in
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: there for good measure. You're essentially drinking seed oil and
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: sugar and the worst possible combination of things you could consume.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I know. I didn't drink it. I'm like, god, God, yeah.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: And it's just like you want protein anyway, because.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I hadn't eaten for a while and I just needed
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: a little something. I know. I know you live on
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: fucking go go Yeah, yeah, you live on lard and bacon.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Uh mate, where can people access that article?
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: I just saw usual spots, but just Facebook, LinkedIn or
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: over at David Gillespie dot org.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Just before we go, I said, does I asked chatters
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: about the use of these oils, specifically products made by Sanitarium,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: typically less vegetable oils in ingredients. Depending on the variety,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: this may include canola oil, sunflower oil, palm oil. The
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: oil is usually added to one improved texture and mouthfeel.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Two fucking hell. Two provides fat soluble vitamin absorption.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Really free vitamin E that is required to stop them oxidizing.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Yes. Three increased calorie density. Oh, that's what we need
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: in the world. More calories fucking l Anyway, all right mate,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: we'll chat off there, but to add something no, no, no, no, yeah,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: good chat See you next time. Thanks buddy, Thanks, thank.
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  Speaker 4: You, see you. Tiff M.