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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 9-24-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Thunder Thunder Thunder Thunder.
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  Speaker 2: Happy Thursday, everybody. It's the Sean O'Connell Show. Oh, it's
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  Speaker 2: great to be here.
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  Speaker 3: Another gorgeous day in Salt Lake City. An eventful night
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  Speaker 3: in the avenues. I will tell you the story on
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  Speaker 3: the show today. One of the craziest things that's ever
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  Speaker 3: happened in any neighborhood around Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 3: Big football day. Lots to discuss. Devin Dampier edition with Deb.
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  Speaker 3: Eric Weddle is going to join us. We'll check in
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  Speaker 3: on the Iowa State side of things as Utah gets
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  Speaker 3: ready for their first road trip of the year against
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  Speaker 3: a Cyclones team that stands at 2-1 right now, wins
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  Speaker 3: over Southeast Missouri and Bowling Green, bracketing a close loss
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  Speaker 3: to a ranked Iowa team. By the way, tough schedule
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  Speaker 3: for Iowa State in the early portion of the season,
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  Speaker 3: at least as conference play goes.
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  Speaker 2: They host Utah.
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  Speaker 3: Then they've got a game against a much better West
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  Speaker 3: Virginia team than I think any one of us thought
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  Speaker 3: you'd be facing. Then they're on the road in back-to-back
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  Speaker 3: weeks against BYU and Arizona. And you're like, oh, wow,
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  Speaker 3: that's a tough little stretch. Yeah, and then guess what? Halloween,
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  Speaker 3: Oklahoma State comes to Ames. So you've got five in
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  Speaker 3: a row that are at least stiff tests, if not worse.
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  Speaker 3: Good luck, Iowa State Cyclones. Good luck figuring out the
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  Speaker 3: passing game. Good luck doing that against the University of Utah.
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  Speaker 3: We'll talk about all that on the show today. We
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  Speaker 3: have some things. The Utah Mammoth social media team, shout
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  Speaker 3: out to them. They asked one of the important existential
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  Speaker 3: questions of life. Whether maple syrup belongs in the pantry
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  Speaker 3: or the fridge.
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  Speaker 2: And I love that that's where they went with it.
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  Speaker 3: And you got a bunch of hockey guys, of course,
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  Speaker 3: half of whom are Canadian, telling you whether maple syrup
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  Speaker 3: belongs in the pantry or the fridge. So that's a
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  Speaker 3: great debate that we can have. I put a poll
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  Speaker 3: question up to see what you guys think about it.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, the pantry is winning in a landslide. Pantry
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  Speaker 3: or fridge wins. I've stole the question from the Utah.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't steal it. I am conveying further the Utah man,
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  Speaker 3: but I tagged him and I didn't pretend.
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  Speaker 2: It was my idea.
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  Speaker 4: 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 2: Always good to hear from you.
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  Speaker 3: Of minor note for me, Utah football made the social
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  Speaker 3: media announcement as we often get. They're wearing the traditional
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  Speaker 3: all red on the road. So I guess Iowa State,
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  Speaker 3: as the home team, opting.
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  Speaker 2: To wear whites. That's interesting. I like that.
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  Speaker 3: As most of you who've listened to the show know,
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  Speaker 3: I am always red is bed-er. Red is better for
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  Speaker 3: the University of Utah. The more red you get, the better.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like maybe Morgan Scali feels the same
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  Speaker 3: way because they've gone very heavy on the red stuff.
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  Speaker 3: We obviously saw the proud white helmet last week, but...
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  Speaker 3: We got a fun show lined up. We'll talk about
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  Speaker 3: all of it and more.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to have to pull some sound.
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  Speaker 3: The most recent comments from Joel Klatt about Utah football,
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  Speaker 3: Tyson and James behind the glass. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: you saw Joel Klatt has some words about Utah football.
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  Speaker 3: We'll have to cut some of those up and bring
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  Speaker 3: them to the show today. A conversation from baseball actually
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  Speaker 3: has me intrigued today. So, I get it. A lot
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  Speaker 3: of us, until we get our own Major League Baseball team, which,
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  Speaker 3: knock on wood, should be sooner than later, we don't
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  Speaker 3: pay as much attention to baseball as a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the country does. However, when something is said or done
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  Speaker 3: in baseball that crosses over to the business of sport
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  Speaker 3: in general, I think it's worth having a conversation about.
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  Speaker 3: And in an era of NIL now... where you've got,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a guessing game. It was always a guessing
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  Speaker 3: game in recruiting, but you've got a guessing game now
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  Speaker 3: that is incredibly high stakes and incredibly costly when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to NIL. And you've got real life general managers
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  Speaker 3: in college football that are working in conjunction with head
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  Speaker 3: coaches and not necessarily owners in the same way that
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  Speaker 3: NFL teams have and NBA teams have. But there are
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  Speaker 3: authority figures that fill the role of owner in college
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  Speaker 3: sports as well. The owner in a college sports team
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  Speaker 3: is the university president or the chancellor, or as we
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  Speaker 3: have seen in the case of places like Texas Tech
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  Speaker 3: and maybe BYU basketball, it is a cabal or maybe
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  Speaker 3: even sometimes an individual that controls the money, the inflows
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  Speaker 3: and the outflows of booster cash. they function as the owners, right?
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  Speaker 3: It's a real business now. It was always a business
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  Speaker 3: in that the university has always made money and there
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  Speaker 3: was always balance sheets and there's always profit and loss
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  Speaker 3: and things like that. It's a business now in that
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  Speaker 3: the roster management, the HR component is more of a
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  Speaker 3: business than it's ever been. And because of that, you
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  Speaker 3: have contracts effectively. And we have, we've seen now battles
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  Speaker 3: over the enforceability of NIL contracts. The NIL, battles over,
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  Speaker 3: you know, what's proper and what's not in a non
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  Speaker 3: collectively bargain space where there is no association for players
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  Speaker 3: to protect them. There is no, you know, everyone can
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  Speaker 3: find their own lawyer and we've seen all the injunctions
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  Speaker 3: granted and then killed and then regranted and then restraining
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  Speaker 3: orders placed and all that crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It's, it's a wild, wild, wild West because of this
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  Speaker 2: business aspect to it.
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  Speaker 3: When you hear a star player talk about their view
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  Speaker 3: on compensation, talk about their view on what I am
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  Speaker 3: owed or what I am not owed, and to speak
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  Speaker 3: truthfully about that, it's really fascinating to me. And even
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  Speaker 3: though Vlad Guerrero Jr. is right now a Canadian baseball
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  Speaker 3: player playing for the Toronto Blue Jays, his thoughts on
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  Speaker 3: this I think are potentially reflective of what the attitudes
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  Speaker 3: in college football, in the NFL, in Major League Baseball,
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  Speaker 3: in the NBA might be. And I think he brings
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  Speaker 3: up a problem that hopefully we can get around conversationally
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  Speaker 3: and hopefully we can get around philosophically in.
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  Speaker 2: A meaningful way up on the Hill. But I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: a lot of you have seen this. He made comments
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  Speaker 2: last week and then doubled down. about the idea that he,
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  Speaker 2: he got a $ 500 million contract. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: He's having a really disappointing year. It's a 14 year deal.
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  Speaker 3: He is a first baseman who's in the first season
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  Speaker 3: of a 14 year deal, the largest in franchise history
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  Speaker 3: for the blue Jays, but that is par for the course, right?
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  Speaker 3: Your star player for every college team and every professional franchise.
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  Speaker 3: When payday comes up, they're going to sign the biggest deal.
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  Speaker 3: They're going to sign the best deal, right? They're going
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  Speaker 3: to be like, oh, there's going to be an offensive
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  Speaker 3: like Kelvin Obot someday for the.
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  Speaker 2: University of Utah.
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  Speaker 3: If the Utes want to keep him and he lives
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  Speaker 3: up to his potential, you're going to have to pay
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  Speaker 3: that guy more than you paid Spencer Fano. Even if
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  Speaker 3: he's not a better player ever than Spencer Fano, even
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  Speaker 3: if he's not a first round draft pick and he's
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  Speaker 3: a second round draft pick instead, you're going to have
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  Speaker 3: to pay more than you.
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  Speaker 2: Paid, right?
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  Speaker 3: The most likely scenario is that if you get another
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  Speaker 3: year out of Devin Dampier after this one, you got
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  Speaker 3: to pay him more than you paid him this year.
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  Speaker 3: If you want to keep bird Ficklin around for the
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  Speaker 3: longterm for his entire career, you're probably going to have
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  Speaker 3: to pay bird Ficklin more than Devin Dampier ever made.
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  Speaker 3: That's just the escalation and the inflation of a market
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  Speaker 3: in college football. Of course, the protect Scott to protect
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  Speaker 3: college sports act is trying to, uh, to put a
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  Speaker 3: cap on these things and make it so that we
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  Speaker 3: don't have just this ever ascending arms race.
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  Speaker 2: But Vlad Guerrero was, I guess, kind of trying to
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  Speaker 2: justify his, his bad season or talk about his thoughts on, well, man, the,
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  Speaker 2: the bad season is unfortunate, especially because of the timing
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  Speaker 2: when I just got my big payday and I've been
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  Speaker 2: guilty of, I know that a lot of people might
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  Speaker 2: dispute this. Other people might agree.
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  Speaker 3: I've been guilty of saying when a guy gets paid,
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  Speaker 3: he loses some of that hunger.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 2: And we've seen it in other leagues. We saw it
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  Speaker 2: with Hainsworth.
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  Speaker 3: We saw it with Chris Johnson, who we only wish
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  Speaker 3: good things for now as he's battling a very debilitating
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  Speaker 3: and serious illness.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, it happens. I'm sure any sports fan knows.
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  Speaker 3: Can bring up an example or two of like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this guy got paid and then he fell off. And
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  Speaker 3: to combat that and maybe to justify it in his
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  Speaker 3: own mind so that he's not blaming himself the same
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  Speaker 3: way that the fans are blaming him, Vlad Guerrero effectively said,
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  Speaker 3: you're paying me for what I already did, not for
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  Speaker 3: future production, not for continuing to hit 40 home runs
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  Speaker 3: a year.
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  Speaker 2: And that.
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  Speaker 3: Rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. That was
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  Speaker 3: jarring for a lot of people to hear. Because that
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  Speaker 3: is not the stance that a lot of sports fans take.
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  Speaker 3: And I doubt that that's the stance that management takes.
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  Speaker 3: There are very few people that are in good enough
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  Speaker 3: standing from a sports business perspective to tell their bosses, well,
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  Speaker 3: you're paying me because you owe me from before. Not
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  Speaker 3: you're paying me for what I'm supposed to do now.
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  Speaker 3: There are, I mean, very few guys like the, the
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  Speaker 3: golden state warriors.
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  Speaker 2: Are in some form or fashion.
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  Speaker 3: They are paying Steph Curry for what Steph Curry has
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  Speaker 3: already done for the franchise, right? He is 37% of
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  Speaker 3: their entire salary cap in golden state right now. Steph
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  Speaker 3: Curry is being paid, uh, like an emeritus professor. They
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  Speaker 3: don't want him to leave. They don't want to have
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  Speaker 3: to pay him max money. But if he's not going
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  Speaker 3: to sign for less at this juncture of his career,
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  Speaker 3: cause he's not like over the hill, over the hill
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  Speaker 3: and his playing style translates for longer, but he's like
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  Speaker 3: one of the rare people. that is being paid for something,
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  Speaker 3: the groundwork that's already been done. I make an argument
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  Speaker 3: that George Kittle, with the San Francisco 49ers, got a
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  Speaker 3: deal that's probably more indicative of their appreciation for what
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  Speaker 3: he's already done for them than what they expect him
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  Speaker 3: to do in the future. You can get away with
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  Speaker 3: these things more effectively in the NFL because if it's
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  Speaker 3: not fully guaranteed money, you can give aging players $ 50
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  Speaker 3: million average annual value, and if it's not working out,
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  Speaker 3: you just cut them and you take a dead cap
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  Speaker 3: hit potentially, but it's.
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  Speaker 2: Different in the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: Vlad Guerrero saying to the media, well, yeah, I know
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  Speaker 3: I'm having a bad year and I know that it
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  Speaker 3: makes all of you upset. His words were the contract
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  Speaker 3: I got was based on what I did, not necessarily
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  Speaker 3: what I'm going to do. I understand fans believe it's
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  Speaker 3: the other way around. Sometimes I think that way too. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: they gave me this money and I'm not doing enough,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, I try my best and I'm working hard. Look,
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  Speaker 3: fans are not expected to be rational about this. I
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  Speaker 3: think players need to be a little bit more rational
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  Speaker 3: about this when we're talking about massively inflated salaries at
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  Speaker 3: every level. I think that for Utah football, every NIL deal,
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  Speaker 3: is quite obviously paying someone for what they are supposed
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  Speaker 3: to do moving forward. I think Vlad Guerrero's comments, if
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  Speaker 3: they do apply at all in baseball, certainly do not
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  Speaker 3: in college football. In the what have you done for
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  Speaker 3: me lately, everything is year to year to year. The
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  Speaker 3: contract I got was based on what I did, not
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  Speaker 3: necessarily what I'm going to do.
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  Speaker 2: This is a brutally toxic....
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  Speaker 3: Mentality for any athlete to have. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 3: incredibly damaging, especially for college age athletes, for young athletes.
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  Speaker 3: If you think you deserve and deserve is such a
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  Speaker 3: funny word, but if you think you deserve some crazy
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  Speaker 3: paycheck because, oh, you did something, it's already done. I
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  Speaker 3: proved to you what I'm capable of. So give me
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  Speaker 3: the money because I proved that to you, but don't
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  Speaker 3: expect me to continue performing in a way that confirms
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  Speaker 3: your now newly held beliefs that I confirmed for you.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: That is a crazy, crazy mindset. We all know for
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  Speaker 3: a fact that Devin Dampier and bird Ficklin were available
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  Speaker 3: to Utah football last year on a, on a compared
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  Speaker 3: to this year. A bargain basement discount. He got paid
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  Speaker 3: for what he had already done at New Mexico, but
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  Speaker 3: the expectation was, we expect you to do that and
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  Speaker 3: more at the University of Utah. And then he did that,
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  Speaker 3: and the salary goes up. And what was your expectation?
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  Speaker 3: What is my expectation? What is Devin's expectation? What is
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  Speaker 3: Morgan Scali's expectation when he shows up at Devin Dampier's
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  Speaker 3: door and knocks on it and says, hey, I know
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  Speaker 3: Jason Beck is going to Michigan. I know Kyle Whittingham
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  Speaker 3: is going to Michigan. I want you here at Utah.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do something special together. I know that when Morgan
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  Speaker 3: Scali had that conversation, he knew it was going to
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  Speaker 3: come with a price tag, and that price tag was
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  Speaker 3: not based on, guess what, I'm going to pay you
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  Speaker 3: back for what you already did. I know what you're
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  Speaker 3: capable of because of what you already did. And let's
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  Speaker 3: say it doubled his money. I'm going to double your
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  Speaker 3: money because I think you can take us to even
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  Speaker 3: higher heights. I think you can win us even more games.
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  Speaker 3: I think you can stay even healthier. I think you
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  Speaker 3: can be an even better leader. And so far, Devin
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  Speaker 3: Dampier is on pace for a better season than he
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  Speaker 3: had last year from an offensive production standpoint.
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  Speaker 2: A better season than he had last year from a
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  Speaker 2: turnover standpoint. I knock on wood.
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  Speaker 3: A better season than he had last year from a
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  Speaker 3: leadership standpoint, although that one is not as easy to measure.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone that we have talked to would say so, and
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  Speaker 3: our own experience in speaking with him, and he's joining
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  Speaker 3: us for addition with Dev today, I think indicates this.
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  Speaker 3: I think we can make an argument, and I have
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  Speaker 3: made this argument, that the only Utah football player, multiple,
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  Speaker 3: that maybe get to have this Vlad Guerrero mentality about
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  Speaker 3: their NIL deals were Cam Rising and to some extent,
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  Speaker 3: Brant Keithy. Cam Rising, a lot of people were really
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  Speaker 3: bothered by the fact that he didn't play. And I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what missing time for injury did for his
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  Speaker 3: bottom line. I don't know if there was anything written
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  Speaker 3: into his contract.
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  Speaker 2: We have not had those detailed conversations. I'm not sure if.
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  Speaker 3: Cameron rising, you know, thought he was going to get
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  Speaker 3: a million bucks. And because he didn't actually play any games,
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  Speaker 3: only got a couple hundred grand. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: he thought he was going to get a million and
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  Speaker 3: he got a million without playing any games.
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  Speaker 2: I truly don't know.
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  Speaker 3: However, cam rising was an undercompensated performer for Utah in
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  Speaker 3: two of its greatest seasons in history. And if he
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  Speaker 3: got everything he was promised, without playing another down effectively,
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  Speaker 3: without ever being healthy again, I'm okay with it.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to be as a Utah fan.
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  Speaker 3: If Cam Rising got his full paycheck for the years
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  Speaker 3: that he missed so much time, I'm okay with that
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  Speaker 3: because he didn't get a big fat paycheck for the
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  Speaker 3: Rose Bowl years and for the conference championship years.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, second year he did.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe not as high, but second year, both years were
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of NIL season. But second year was like
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  Speaker 1: year two. He certainly got like.
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  Speaker 2: Think of, think of what cam rising. Think of if
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  Speaker 2: you knew, right.
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  Speaker 3: If there was a crystal ball available to you and
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  Speaker 3: you knew what cam rising season in either of those
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  Speaker 3: years was going to be camera kept rising. Didn't get
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  Speaker 3: to start the first season of the PAC 12 championship.
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  Speaker 3: I promise you he wasn't getting a fat bag, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That that's where I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: The first year, 2021, even though that was the first
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  Speaker 1: year that you could give kids NIL, he wasn't getting much.
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  Speaker 1: I think he certainly got his market value.
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  Speaker 4: 2022.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and he, he.
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  Speaker 3: Probably got, he probably got somewhere close to market value.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he got, he it's almost certain that
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  Speaker 3: he didn't get a value that.
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  Speaker 2: Compared to how much value he brought. Right. And that's
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  Speaker 2: probably right.
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  Speaker 3: That's always been the argument with player compensation in college football.
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  Speaker 3: Like Johnny Manziel, whatever illegal money in that hundred dollar
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  Speaker 3: handshakes he got when he was at Texas A & M,
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  Speaker 3: we've all seen the untold.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen the 30 for 30. They did the, the,
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  Speaker 2: they crunched the numbers. Johnny Manziel was worth $ 300 million
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  Speaker 2: in a season to the university, right? Because his Heisman
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  Speaker 2: trophy season was worth like $ 300 million to Texas A
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  Speaker 2: & M. He did not get even a fraction of that, right?
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  Speaker 3: I think you could look at what happened with cam
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  Speaker 3: rising and his injury and the mishandling of it. And
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  Speaker 3: the fact that his reputation got dragged unjustifiably in a
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  Speaker 3: lot of cases. And even if, and I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if he did, but even if he was given every
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  Speaker 3: single dime that he'd been promised without playing, I'd be like,
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  Speaker 3: you know what?
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  Speaker 2: That's payback for the Rose bowls. Thank you. We're good.
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  Speaker 3: You should have made a lot of money that, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, maybe we'll get cam rising back on the
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  Speaker 3: show and we can get into some of the details
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  Speaker 3: on this, uh, to a lesser extent, maybe brand Keith,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: he deserves the same treatment. Every other athlete in pro
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: sports and in college sports, in my opinion, has to
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: see what Vlad Guerrero jr. Is saying and reject this
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: wholesale because Don't even allow your dark lizard brain to
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: think this thing. If that thought enters your mind, get
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: rid of it. All of us as humans should do it.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: As a professional athlete, a pseudo-professional athlete, you have to
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: feel a need to earn the next paycheck. Vlad Guerrero Jr.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: 's comments, whether he intended them or not, by the way,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: he doubled down. He went on a Dominican podcast or
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: a Dominican broadcast, and he doubled down on this. And
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: he said, no, like, people, that's, you can't expect somebody
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: to keep hitting 40 homers a year.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can. That's what the expectation is. And I
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: get it.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: There's some market economics in here where you probably can't say,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: all right, he's not going to have his best season
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: every single year, so what kind of average numbers do
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: we need from him? And if he stays near this average,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: we'll feel like we got our money's worth. If he
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: doesn't stay near these averages, and they don't have to
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: be all that lofty, if he doesn't stay near these averages,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: then this is a waste of money for the Toronto
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Blue Jays. College football is in a place now where
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: you don't get to do the long-term extrapolation. These are
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: one-year deals, even when they're not one-year deals. We learned
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: that from Nico Iamaleava. We learned that to some extent
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: it looked like from the Bryce Underwood conversation, like, Hey man,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: we're throwing a bunch of money at you. And it's
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: supposed to be a three-year deal or a four-year deal.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: And then a lot of these guys are going back
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: to their schools and saying like, I'm glad I signed that.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: And it was good for me then. However, now you're
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: going to pay me for what I already did and
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: what you think I'm going to do next. I was
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: blown away by not only this conversation from Vlad Guerrero Jr.,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: but then the doubling down on this conversation and the
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: toxic mentality that it represents. In competition in a highly
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: demanding industry, you do not deserve, quote unquote, deserve competition.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Jack bleep for what you did yesterday.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: That is why the NFL is like the most cutthroat
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: of all businesses. The NBA is so incredibly cutthroat. You
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: know what else is tough? Broadcasting man, our business. If
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I tell ESPN 700 James for the next 30 seconds,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: you get to be the boss again. You don't know.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Okay. Wow.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I all of a sudden I feel differently.
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: So you're the boss again. And I tell you, you
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: know what? Our ratings last year were good. I need
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: you to pay me and extend me, but don't expect
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: that you're paying me to continue getting those ratings. You're
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: paying me for the ratings I had last year. If
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: my ratings tank, like his, my performance stinks like Vlad's does.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: You can't question whether or not that was a good
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: decision because you're paying me for what I already achieved.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds fair. Absolutely.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I will say this as a counterpoint to what you're saying.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, his last contract was paid for his 20
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: years of being an awesome Laker.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: And there are some people.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: There are examples of megastars getting paid for their legacy
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: and not for, hey, we expect you to continue to
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: be a superstar. Because Kobe's last two years, he was like,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: He was an all-star his last year because he decided
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: to tell everyone it was going to be his last season.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: He was a terrible player compared to what he used
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: to be. He was nowhere near an all-star. So there's
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: examples of that.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: But you have to be Kobe, Bird, Magic, LeBron, Steph Curry.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Even Klay Thompson, who's a future Hall of Famer, Klay
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Thompson doesn't get paid based on what he does.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Used to do.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, the warriors just let him go and free
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: agency because he was not the same player.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. You have to be.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: And look, Vlad Guerrero maybe thinks that he's there already,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: which is another toxic mentality.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: That's another problem. If you, if Vlad Guerrero.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Justifies this or any athlete, I'm using him because he's
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: the verbal example here. If any athlete carries this mentality
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: into a contract negotiation, a future season, a current season,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: the game you're playing tonight, practice this afternoon, if you
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: carry that with you, you are not what you think
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: you are. You are not the dog that your teammates
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: need you to be, that your coaches need you to be.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: If you are a person like black Guerrero, who's obviously
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: in other worldly talent, he's an incredible player who has
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: achieved a great deal. He's already had more of a
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: career than a lot of guys in major league baseball
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: ever will. However, if he looks at it and says, well, yeah, see,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: I am, I am in baseball. Like Steph Curry is
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: for the golden state warriors.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: No, you're not. Yeah.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Like Steph has delivered championships, MVPs, and, and, probably a
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: billion dollars worth of merchandise sales. So yes, Kobe Bryant
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: and LeBron James, who, by the way, you notice how
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: LeBron James. is like LeBron James is playing for $ 3
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: million this year, three and a half million dollars this year.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Even LeBron doesn't get to do this. Not for the
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia 76ers, not for somebody new that like the NBA
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: owes LeBron James and immense debt financially, even though he's
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: already a billionaire based on his star performance in the NBA.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: What he has done in the NBA and done for
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: the NBA and the way that he has carried the
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: mantle for 20 years of being the guy and done
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: so with mostly zero reproach and utmost class. And if
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: you don't like his politics, that's fine. But he's not
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the dude who you hear stories about with domestic violence.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: And he's not the dude you hear stories about with drugs.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: And he's not the dude that you hear stories about
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: with a bunch of business fraud or any of the
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: other things that athletes get caught up in. If anybody
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: deserves that emeritus status that, you know what? Pay this
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: guy his golden parachute money for however long. It's LeBron James.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: And even he doesn't get that from a new franchise.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: So like because no franchise had enough money to give
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: him that, I think he would have gotten that.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: But he would have demanded it. He would have demanded it.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: If anybody had that kind of cap space and look,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: he didn't because they didn't have the caps and.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: He's, he's probably passed. He's certainly passed the need for
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: any more money. And now it's about, you know, like
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: seeing if he can win another championship and further himself
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: in that conversation.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: But regardless, right.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: And it's different in the NBA and it's different in
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: the NFL because of the existence of the salary cap.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: But if you're a, if you're a baseball player or
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: I think more important, if you're a college athlete right now,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Who's just like, yeah, man, you're paying me for what
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I did last year. No, we are not. That's not true.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: This mentality needs to be stricken from the record.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Get it out of here.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Vlad Guerrero needs to be castigated. This is not the
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: way that a top level athlete should think.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: If you're a high school player and you've got any
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: of this, like evil.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Little worm living in your head or your heart, If
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: you're someone at the start of the journey, not in
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: the middle like Vlad Guerrero is, this is not the way.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: It's a conversation in sports. I think it should be
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: a bigger conversation in sports. The contract you are paid
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: is for continuing your production or even better, Increasing your production.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: The reason they gave you the big number is because
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: you proved something that says, I know what this person
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: is capable of, and I can expect.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: This moving forward. You have to. Wild stuff from Vlad Guerrero.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Do you want my take on the maple syrup thing?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Pantry or fridge maple syrup.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: So not enough information to answer the question. I know
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: you're going to say, is it open or is it
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: not open?
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say, is it real maple syrup or
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: is it log cabin, high fructose corn syrup?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Well, that stuff is disgusting. First of all.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: So if it's a real maple syrup, it'll spoil in
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the pantry. So it's got to go in the fridge.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: You know how long it takes to spoil in the
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: pantry though? Yeah, probably a long time. Like a really
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: long time.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: But that's, I mean, that's the way it, the high
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: fructose corn syrup stuff, log cabin, whatever brand, put that
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: in the pantry.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: That, that, that fake maple syrup is shelf stable until
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: the earth hurdles into the sun in several million millennia.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Like that stuff will be, it'll be that log cabin
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: stuff and cockroaches with the robot cockroaches will be eating
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: the log with the robots from Wally, like building trash
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: castles around all of it.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: I'm a pantry guy. We're we're, we're pantry for the
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: maple syrup. All right.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: And I was like, Oh, I'll just like, When the
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Utah mammoth put out the social media video, I was like, okay, I'll,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: I'll just defer to the expertise of the Canadians.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Cause that's like their thing. And then a bunch of
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: them were like fridge. And I was like, what?
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: And then the other Canadian guys were like, ah, Quebec,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Quebec is the fridge. I was like, oh, well, French Canadians,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: do we want to emulate French Canadians? Even Canada doesn't
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: like them.
• 29:42
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• 29:46
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• 29:51
  Speaker 3: We got to take a break here. Eugene repay covers
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: the Iowa state cyclones for the Des Moines register.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: He joins us next to talk about this weekend's game.
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: In Ames.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: It's Utah's number one sports talk in your home of
• 30:03
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• 30:04
  Speaker 8: You're listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 30:12
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• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Welcome in Eugene Rapay,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: who's kind enough to join us from the Des Moines Register.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Covers Iowa State University. You can see him there at
• 30:38
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• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Some of the writing. Eugene Rapay, welcome to the show.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: How are you?
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: I'm great.
• 30:44
  Speaker 9: Thanks for having me on, Sean.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you giving us some time here.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: So give me the overall outlook right now in Ames
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: and in Iowa in general of this matchup as the Utes.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Come to town.
• 30:56
  Speaker 10: I think if you're an Iowa State fan, you're excited
• 30:59
  Speaker 10: for this. So far, the Cyclones have exceeded expectations. When
• 31:03
  Speaker 10: you bring in a new coach, you have 84 newcomers.
• 31:06
  Speaker 10: It's a massive roster turnover after the most successful coaching
• 31:10
  Speaker 10: era in program history. There was definitely a lot of uncertainty,
• 31:14
  Speaker 10: a lot of skepticism. They showed that they can hang
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: with power conference opposition. When they played Iowa rival Iowa
• 31:21
  Speaker 10: close in the Cy Hawk game, they bulldoze their way
• 31:24
  Speaker 10: past inferior competition like SEMO and Bowling Green last week.
• 31:28
  Speaker 10: And now you finally start big 12 play against, but
• 31:32
  Speaker 10: in my opinion, one of the best teams in the
• 31:34
  Speaker 10: big 12 and in the country, probably.
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: Going to make a championship game appearance.
• 31:39
  Speaker 10: But you know, you finally get to see how you
• 31:41
  Speaker 10: measure up in conference play against the Utah team. That's
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: just so dynamic on both sides of the ball. And
• 31:47
  Speaker 10: now we're going to get to see like, or have
• 31:50
  Speaker 10: another data point to figure out how legitimate or how
• 31:54
  Speaker 10: can Iowa state hang or how competitive will they be
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: as we start to go deeper into conference play and
• 31:59
  Speaker 10: into the season.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: When you, when you threw out that number of newcomers,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: even though I like, I think I already heard it
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: or I'd read it somewhere.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I balked at it again. Like what?
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: No, that can't be like, it's just such an insane
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: thing in college football. And, and, you know, in the,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: the big 12, especially sure. If you're, if you're talking about,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: you know, an FCS program that. lost the coach to
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: a higher division, and maybe got picked over roster-wise.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: All right, makes sense.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: But Iowa State, they're at least a marginally proud football program.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: It feels like this kind of thing should not happen.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Was there a sense of injustice for many of the fans,
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: or did their names feel like it was inevitable that
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Matt Campbell would eventually move on and that under the
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: new rules he'd take a lot with him?
• 32:49
  Speaker 10: I think just with the way that college sports is,
• 32:51
  Speaker 10: you definitely expected some players to leave, but for Iowa
• 32:54
  Speaker 10: state fans, it just seemed like heartbreak every day from
• 32:57
  Speaker 10: December 5th, when Campbell announced that he was leaving for
• 33:00
  Speaker 10: Penn state and then Jimmy Rogers was hired. It felt
• 33:03
  Speaker 10: like every other day, there was a new player announcing
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: that they were leaving. And so for Iowa state fans,
• 33:08
  Speaker 10: there was getting their heart ripped out every other day,
• 33:11
  Speaker 10: every week. And there was definitely a sense of injustice.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 33:14
  Speaker 9: People anticipated departures, some departures, some.
• 33:17
  Speaker 10: To go with Matt Campbell, but 84, that was not
• 33:21
  Speaker 10: what anybody expected. And you also have to factor in
• 33:24
  Speaker 10: the guy that graduated last year as well. So there
• 33:26
  Speaker 10: was even way more guys that were gone from, from
• 33:29
  Speaker 10: last season. So it was definitely a bitter pill to
• 33:32
  Speaker 10: swallow for Iowa state fans. And it's been a surprise
• 33:36
  Speaker 10: so far with just how well they've been able to
• 33:38
  Speaker 10: do in this early part of the season.
• 33:40
  Speaker 9: But now Utah is going to provide a whole other challenge.
• 33:43
  Speaker 9: And I think there's definitely.
• 33:44
  Speaker 10: Excitement to be able to host a top 25 team
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: for the first time under Jimmy Rogers and also the
• 33:50
  Speaker 10: first Big 12 opponent or the first Big 12 game
• 33:53
  Speaker 10: of the Jimmy Rogers era.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: I'll start with the positive for Iowa State offensively. They've
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: got right now the top producing running back, in the conference,
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: although we're just now getting into conference play in earnest.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: And the run game overall is respectable, kind of right
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: in the middle of the pack in this conference. Give
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: me a sense of how sustainable that is as the
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: competition ramps up with Utah coming to town.
• 34:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 34:19
  Speaker 10: So new offensive coordinator, Tyler roll, who was previously the
• 34:23
  Speaker 10: tight ends coach at the Detroit with the Detroit lions.
• 34:26
  Speaker 10: He also was the running backs coach at Iowa state
• 34:28
  Speaker 10: two years ago under Campbell. He came back and his
• 34:31
  Speaker 10: philosophy on offense is run, run, run, run a lot,
• 34:34
  Speaker 10: build off the run, use RPOs, use play action. So
• 34:37
  Speaker 10: the rushing attack is just paramount to what Iowa state
• 34:40
  Speaker 10: wants to do. So far, the offensive line has done.
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: A great job.
• 34:43
  Speaker 10: They've given up only one sack minimal TFLs. So they've
• 34:47
  Speaker 10: been paving the way against Iowa. I think was a
• 34:50
  Speaker 10: big barometer to show that this offensive line and this
• 34:53
  Speaker 10: rushing attack can move the ball. They weren't able to
• 34:56
  Speaker 10: finish drives, which is something that I would state is,
• 34:58
  Speaker 10: is harping on and, and the passing game still needs
• 35:01
  Speaker 10: to open up, but the rushing attack and what Aiden
• 35:03
  Speaker 10: floor has been able to do along with complimentary backs,
• 35:06
  Speaker 10: Cameron Petaway and Arnold Barnes of third has been, given
• 35:10
  Speaker 10: Iowa state a good foundation or a good way to
• 35:13
  Speaker 10: push forward on offense, but there's still more work that
• 35:15
  Speaker 10: needs to be done. But Aiden floor has been a
• 35:17
  Speaker 10: tremendous surprise. The guy was a walk on two years ago.
• 35:20
  Speaker 10: He's now the premier running back and.
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: He's a co-captain. He stayed for the Jimmy Rogers there.
• 35:26
  Speaker 10: And he's been one of the pivotal guys on offense
• 35:29
  Speaker 10: this season.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: On the flip side of that offensive coin is a
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: passing game that has struggled to get going so far.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Is this a targets problem, a protection problem, a quarterbacking
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: problem for Iowa State?
• 35:45
  Speaker 10: Right now, I think it's a combination of the wide
• 35:47
  Speaker 10: receivers haven't really stood out yet. There isn't really a
• 35:51
  Speaker 10: receiver you could look at right now and be like, man,
• 35:53
  Speaker 10: when it's third and long or when it's second and long,
• 35:56
  Speaker 10: this is the guy that Jalen Rainer needs to get
• 35:59
  Speaker 10: the ball to in order to advance the change or
• 36:01
  Speaker 10: look for a big play or a spark when you
• 36:03
  Speaker 10: need it. Jalen Rainer himself, while he has been pretty
• 36:07
  Speaker 10: good at making decisions and taking care of the ball,
• 36:10
  Speaker 10: his accuracy and his efficiency in the passing game. Hasn't
• 36:13
  Speaker 10: been what anybody expected it to be or what, what
• 36:16
  Speaker 10: they want it to be. He's only completing about 52%
• 36:19
  Speaker 10: of his passes. The ball placement hasn't been ideal. He'd
• 36:22
  Speaker 10: been missing open guys. It seems like that this is
• 36:25
  Speaker 10: still a Patrick offense. That's still getting used to one another.
• 36:30
  Speaker 10: There's a whole new coaching staff, obviously, but all these
• 36:33
  Speaker 10: players haven't played together. And there's just a lack of
• 36:36
  Speaker 10: cohesion that hasn't really shown itself yet. It seems like
• 36:39
  Speaker 10: the running game has improved week to week. The passing
• 36:43
  Speaker 10: game has just continued to be very inconsistent. There are
• 36:46
  Speaker 10: definitely moments, but for the most part, like you mentioned,
• 36:49
  Speaker 10: it hasn't been pretty so far.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: For the small contingent of Utah fans, they're going to
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: travel and see this game on the road in Ames.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: What should they expect?
• 37:00
  Speaker 10: I think they should expect Iowa state fans to still
• 37:03
  Speaker 10: come out. I think the weather is not supposed to
• 37:05
  Speaker 10: be ideal. And also for just for Iowa state fans,
• 37:09
  Speaker 10: you know, you go from the back Campbell era, you
• 37:12
  Speaker 10: loved what he was able to do and a successful
• 37:15
  Speaker 10: run of players and all the standouts, you lose all
• 37:18
  Speaker 10: of that.
• 37:19
  Speaker 9: And despite everything.
• 37:20
  Speaker 10: That has happened over the last eight, nine months, the
• 37:22
  Speaker 10: fans have been crazy loyal.
• 37:24
  Speaker 9: Like I, you know, I I'm, I'm from New York.
• 37:26
  Speaker 10: So I'm used to Ben Waggoner's like, Oh, This is,
• 37:29
  Speaker 10: this team has lost this player.
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: This team lost this.
• 37:32
  Speaker 10: Coach fan interest plummets and Iowa state, the fans still
• 37:37
  Speaker 10: come out and they provide a crazy game day experience.
• 37:40
  Speaker 10: I think the tailgating to the fan atmosphere in the stadium,
• 37:43
  Speaker 10: like they still show up weekend and week out. And
• 37:45
  Speaker 10: I think they're going to be very charged up for
• 37:47
  Speaker 10: a top 25 matchup.
• 37:48
  Speaker 9: So it's going to be a, an interesting environment.
• 37:50
  Speaker 10: Even in the rain.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: What is the what is sort of the hierarchy of
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: sports interest between men's basketball and football in names? Like
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: if you if you go to an Iowa State alum
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: who still lives nearby and they've got a finite budget
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: and you say you get season tickets to either football
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: or basketball, what are they choosing?
• 38:12
  Speaker 10: I think if you ask them over the last few years,
• 38:14
  Speaker 10: it was definitely football, then men's basketball. But I feel
• 38:18
  Speaker 10: like after the turnover and what has happened with football,
• 38:22
  Speaker 10: it seems like some of the fans that I've spoken
• 38:24
  Speaker 10: to or just know from the few years I've been here,
• 38:28
  Speaker 10: it seems like some of them are starting to move
• 38:29
  Speaker 10: some of that interest or move some of that ticket
• 38:32
  Speaker 10: investment into men's basketball now. Now that TJ Otzelberger has
• 38:35
  Speaker 10: done a great job with just consistency and consistency There's
• 38:38
  Speaker 10: still a lot of uncertainty with the Jimmy Rogers era,
• 38:41
  Speaker 10: despite it being off to a pretty good start so far.
• 38:43
  Speaker 10: But I think for a long time, it was football,
• 38:47
  Speaker 10: a pretty sizable gap that meant basketball. Now the gap
• 38:50
  Speaker 10: has shrunk a lot.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I was mentioning this in my opening segment today before
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: you came on. Look, it's always a tough out when
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Utah comes to town. It's not going to be an
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: easy game for the Utes either. The schedule for Iowa
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: State in these next four or five weeks is Looks
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: like kind of a bear.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Utah, West Virginia, both of those at home.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Back-to-back road games, I'm not telling you anything you don't know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: against BYU and Arizona. I still think Arizona's a good team.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: And then Oklahoma State, we'll find out before then what
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: they really are, but at their ceiling, they're good enough
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: to beat a very, very talented Oregon team.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: He got back.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: To back to back to back to back. Really tough
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: test for this Iowa State team.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: What is that stretch going to look like?
• 39:37
  Speaker 10: I think this is going to be a very telling stretch.
• 39:39
  Speaker 10: I think that's going to be one that's going to test.
• 39:42
  Speaker 10: I was state not only on the field, but also
• 39:45
  Speaker 10: just in the locker room.
• 39:46
  Speaker 9: How are they going to handle this? There's going to.
• 39:48
  Speaker 10: Be inevitable losses. I looked at this going into the year.
• 39:51
  Speaker 10: Like if they don't win against West Virginia, they're going
• 39:55
  Speaker 10: to be underdogs and all these other games that you
• 39:58
  Speaker 10: Matt mentioned in these, in the five game stretch. they
• 40:01
  Speaker 10: could potentially start conference play one and four. Oh, and five,
• 40:06
  Speaker 10: two and three. Like that's not what Iowa state fans
• 40:09
  Speaker 10: are used to. That's not what, the program has done
• 40:12
  Speaker 10: in recent years, like it's going to be rough at times.
• 40:15
  Speaker 10: And the opponents that they're facing too, are just all talented.
• 40:19
  Speaker 10: Like I really love this Utah team. Then, like you
• 40:21
  Speaker 10: mentioned after this, they got to play West Virginia, who
• 40:24
  Speaker 10: seems beatable on paper, but can cook and that rushing attack.
• 40:27
  Speaker 10: And they got that big win against Virginia recently. So
• 40:31
  Speaker 10: they're looking better. And then of course, you know, you
• 40:33
  Speaker 10: got BYU, Arizona and all that. And I, I still
• 40:35
  Speaker 10: think that, you know, anytime you go on the road, it's,
• 40:38
  Speaker 10: it's never easy. So this is going to be a
• 40:41
  Speaker 10: very telling stretch.
• 40:42
  Speaker 9: For Iowa state to see.
• 40:43
  Speaker 10: How competitive are they, but also how are they going
• 40:46
  Speaker 10: to handle the shortcomings or if the losses come, because
• 40:50
  Speaker 10: if you're one in four to start big 12 play,
• 40:53
  Speaker 10: can you rally back from that? How do you handle that?
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: Does the conference go, does the confidence go out the window?
• 40:59
  Speaker 10: Does the morale go down the toilet? How are they
• 41:01
  Speaker 10: going to handle this stretch? So I think it's going
• 41:03
  Speaker 10: to be very telling in many ways.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I know that there's, Programs are in two different places,
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: but both Utah and Iowa state have brand new coaches
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: and I don't expect fans to be reasonable, but I,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: I asked the question before the season began for Utah fans,
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: what is an acceptable first year for Morgan Scali? And
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: there were a lot of people who with a straight
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: face said, he's got to go 10 and two.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, this is a first year head coach.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: What are we doing? I don't necessarily feel that way.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: And I don't know the level of like insane fanaticism
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: in Ames, Iowa, but what would be a reasonable baseline
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: performance for Jimmy Rogers in his first year as the
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Cyclones head coach?
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: I think the expectations and uncertainty was so all over
• 41:48
  Speaker 10: the place that it felt like people would have been
• 41:50
  Speaker 10: happy with like a five and seven season. And then
• 41:53
  Speaker 10: you come back and then, you know, given all that
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: you lost, you have another year and you go right
• 41:57
  Speaker 10: back at it. I think the best case scenario was
• 42:00
  Speaker 10: a bowl appearance. You get six wins and you get
• 42:03
  Speaker 10: to the post, you know, no one really thought would happen.
• 42:08
  Speaker 10: And I still think that that's kind of like the
• 42:09
  Speaker 10: same sense, especially now that I was stated started two
• 42:12
  Speaker 10: and one and they've looked better than fans and media
• 42:16
  Speaker 10: and people seem to have initially thought they would do.
• 42:19
  Speaker 10: So now a bowl game is pretty doable. It's pretty,
• 42:22
  Speaker 10: it's not a unreasonable ask anymore. So now I think
• 42:25
  Speaker 10: the expectation really is if they can get to a
• 42:27
  Speaker 10: bowl game, six wins or keep it interesting where they're
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: possibly in position For that six wins, you don't want
• 42:34
  Speaker 10: it to be where they're out of the running early.
• 42:37
  Speaker 10: Like if they're going into November and they're at five
• 42:39
  Speaker 10: wins or they're at four wins and they're searching to
• 42:41
  Speaker 10: get the six, I think that that would be a
• 42:43
  Speaker 10: successful first season for Jimmy Rogers. And I think that
• 42:46
  Speaker 10: was the sentiment that I've gotten from a lot of
• 42:49
  Speaker 10: fans this offseason.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Home whites for, it looks like a whiteout game for
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: the Cyclones. Did you know that was going to be
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: a thing? I was surprised to see Utah wearing red.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: On the road.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah. They usually do their white out game.
• 43:05
  Speaker 10: And I, and I think going in, usually it's like
• 43:07
  Speaker 10: the first, I don't know if it's always this way,
• 43:10
  Speaker 10: but it seems like it's always the first big 12
• 43:13
  Speaker 10: home conference game. They do a white out. It's not
• 43:16
  Speaker 10: going to be great weather. So I don't know, you know,
• 43:18
  Speaker 10: they'll get those white shirts or white clothes dirty, but yeah,
• 43:22
  Speaker 10: it should add to the atmosphere on Saturday.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: When an Iowan says it's not going to be great weather,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: it's probably different than when a Utah says it's not
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: going to be great weather. So how much rain are
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: we expecting here?
• 43:35
  Speaker 10: So I just saw a headline this morning, and I
• 43:37
  Speaker 10: was joking with a colleague earlier that it feels like
• 43:39
  Speaker 10: we're in the Pacific Northwest and we feel like we're
• 43:42
  Speaker 10: in Britain. And I think the headline said that we've
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: seen more rain over the last three weeks than Seattle did.
• 43:49
  Speaker 10: And that's something that I've never really seen since we
• 43:52
  Speaker 10: were in Iowa. It's been a very rainy stretch. And
• 43:55
  Speaker 10: then I saw that it's supposed to turn back out.
• 43:57
  Speaker 10: We get a little break today, but it's supposed to
• 43:59
  Speaker 10: turn back on tomorrow and Sunday. Sorry, tomorrow and Saturday.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: Eugene.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: I hope you enjoy the weekend, although not too much
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: because we're the home of the Utes and a loss
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: would be very bad for me to have to talk
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: about coming up on Monday, but I appreciate you giving
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: us some time today.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 44:18
  Speaker 9: Thanks for having me, Sean. And I hope you guys
• 44:21
  Speaker 9: enjoy the game.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Eugene repay kind enough to join us as an Iowa
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: state insider from the Des Moines register.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Big thanks to him. And look, this is Iowa state.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: When you've got anything more than like 40 newcomers in
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: your program, you can really start to ramp your expectations down.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: 50, 60.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: It's probably a loss, an extra loss on the schedule.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: When we're talking 70 and 80 newcomers in a program,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, anything positive is a positive. That is a,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: A complete remaking of a roster. That's like being a
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: first-year school in Division I football almost.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: That's bananas. Big thanks to Eugene Ruppe.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: All right, a Thursday night football preview as the Packers
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: and Falcons square off tonight at 615 on Prime. PGA
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Tour leaderboard update. And I tweeted about it. I'm going
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: to tell the story in hour number two. I touched
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: a wild bear. With my fingers. I touched a wild bear.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you the story. It's ESPN 792 on FM.
• 45:39
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• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Believing.
• 45:46
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• 45:49
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• 45:56
  Speaker 4: Don't stop believing.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: Eric Weddle going to join us here in about six
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: minutes on the Sean O'Connell show. First up a PGA
• 46:11
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• 46:39
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• 46:41
  Speaker 1: golf play coming later at the president's cup, whatever.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: The letter board does not yet exist.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: That's perfect because it gives.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Me time to tell you the harrowing tale of the
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: avenues bear yesterday. My neighbor, Mike shout out to Mike,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: my neighbor, Mike text me a video and he says,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: this is in the house, the backyard of the house
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: across the street from me.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Now Mike lives around the corner from me. So he lives.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Probably 600 yards away from my house.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: The house across the street from him is actually closer
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: to my house.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: So that would be probably like, I don't know, 500
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: yards away from my house.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: And I play the video and And it's this little
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: dark shape of a critter, you know, smallish. Like, oh,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: what is that thing? Is that a giant raccoon? Nay,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: not a giant raccoon. That's a bear.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: That is a baby black bear in the avenues in
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: the neighborhood. And I was like, whoa. I've lived in
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Utah pretty much my whole life.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: I've only seen one bear in the wild, one wild bear,
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: one bear outside of captivity. I've only seen it one time.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: And now there's one in the neighborhood. And I text
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Mike back and I said, wow, did they already get it?
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Did animal control already get it?
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: And he said, yeah.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, man, I wonder what happened. I
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: wonder where the mama bear is. Because obviously that's what
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: you worry about when you see a bear cub. Where's
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: mama bear? Well, a little bit of research will tell
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: you that you don't want to know what happened to
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Mama Bear if a baby bear is wandering in a
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: neighborhood by itself. However, I shed a little tear for
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: the bear, not literally, and was just like, all right,
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: I'll move on with my day. Then, about 11 p.m.,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: I'm getting ready to go to bed. I'm trimming my
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: unruly facial hair, and I walk, and I look out
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: the back window, and I notice that down the hill.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: From my house, there is a tree that is just
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: lit up with spotlights, just shining like it's Christmas, but
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: lit up. And then, you know, there's those high-powered flashlights
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: that almost create like a solid beam of light.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Those are wanding into the branches, just like lightsaber style.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like, you know what they're looking for?
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: They're looking for a bear in that tree.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: And I understand fully that you should allow authorities and
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: professionals to handle things on their own, that you should
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: not be a looky Lou who needs to get down
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: there and see what's going on. However, inside, I am
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: a five-year-old who cannot battle down the curiosity of, Hey,
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: is there a bear in that tree? So I, I
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: head down the hill and I go to see if
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: there's a bear in that tree.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: And guess what? James Peterson, there's a bear in the tree.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: Whoa.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: In fact, they think it is the same bear cub
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: because they did not. In fact, already arrest the bear
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: as my neighbor incorrectly had been told.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: So what did the bear do to get arrested?
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: That's trespassing on public lands.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: We take that seriously with the animal trespassing very seriously
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: in the avenues.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Welcome around here, baby bear. So bear in the tree.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Salt Lake City Fire Department.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Shout out to the police department and the. DNR folks,
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: there was like a whole crew down there. And then
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: there was a couple of neighbors and I wandered in
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: amongst them.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: And was just like, Hey, what's going on guys?
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: And they had already fired a dart into the, the
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: rump of the baby bear.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: He was already asleep. He was slumped over the branches,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: totally out cold. So the fireman got the ladder truck
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: out and they took the ladder up into the tree.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: And instead of pulling a lost cat out of the tree,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: they pulled a baby bear out of.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: The tree and he was asleep. This was my favorite
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: part of the whole experience. The department of natural resources,
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: the bear expert is down at the bottom looking up
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: with the rest of us.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: And she goes, make.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: Sure it's asleep before you try to grab it. And
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: the fireman was just like, how should I make sure
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: it's asleep? She said, tickle his ear. So the sleeping
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: bears in the tree and the fireman reaches out from
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: the ladder and just gives them a little scratch behind
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: the ear.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: And then they brought him down.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: That's how my wife makes sure I'm asleep. She just
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: tickles my ear.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: It's like when you're checking on your baby when you
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: first have a newborn.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: That's how we check if the boy's asleep, too, now
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: that I think of it. So he might be a bear,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: and you weren't aware. It was awesome.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: All the professionals did an incredible job. All of us
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: obnoxious looky-loos did not get in their way. They were
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: really gracious and really kind. And we're like, yeah, you
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: could take pictures of it. Please don't post and sensationalize
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: this on social media.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: So I did not.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to cause a bear panic in the avenues.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: And they were like holding it and checking its breathing
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: and stuff.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: I was like, can I touch it?
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: And the guy, the supervisor for the DNR people was like, yeah, sure.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: So I got this pet a baby bear while he
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: was sleeping. Did a lot of other people touch the bear?
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: That's amazing. And the cops... Well, I'll let them tell
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: their own story.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Let's just say that everyone got really great photos of
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: the baby bear who was sleeping peacefully. And I hope
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: he's doing all right today. He or she is doing
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: all right today because it was an exciting time in
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: the avenues last night, a wild bear on the loose
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: in the neighborhood.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: And someone got to tickle his ear and I got, yeah,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: the first, you got to pet him.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Someone else got to tickle.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: The fireman, got to tickle his ear. And then, uh,
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: I got to scratch his little nape of his neck.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Just hello, little bear.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Do the Salt Lake City Fire Department, do they take
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: advantage of this and do a social media campaign? They're like,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: we don't just rescue cats from trees.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: They should. You got a cat in a tree? How
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: about a bear in a tree?
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: So way less unlikely occurrence, but it still made me go, seriously?
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: We can find that here in someone's yard. So over
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: at Muir Park area in Bountiful, there's the Muir Park Trail.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Those really big houses in that area, very wealthy neighborhood.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: I'm driving around there a few weeks ago, trying to
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: get the boy to fall asleep in the back of
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: the car. So we're just going on a long drive.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: And saw a family of deer in someone's front yard.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: out there now, Mueller park area, you gotta, it's, you know,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: right into, if anyone knows it, the forest is basically
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: right there. So it makes a lot of sense, but
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: still it's like, so what's got deer in their front yard.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Bear in the avenues, a lot less likely or a
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: lot less likely to see something like that, but it's,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: it's crazy to see things out of place like that
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  Speaker 1: in the suburbs. Um, that's a cool story you got
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  Speaker 1: about the bear.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't get to touch the deer. You got to
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  Speaker 2: touch the bear. So you want to up to me?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I wouldn't have been able to, if he'd stayed
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  Speaker 3: awake and I'm sure that you're staying awake.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. All right.
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  Speaker 3: We got to take a break here. We'll ask Eric
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  Speaker 3: Weddle if he's ever pet a bear. That might be
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  Speaker 6: Here's OC from the Murdoch Hyundai Studio of ESPN 700
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Welcome in the
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  Speaker 2: Utah football legend.
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  Speaker 3: The Super Bowl champion, the head coach of the Rancho
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  Speaker 3: Bernardo Broncos, Eric Weddle.
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  Speaker 2: Kind enough to join us. EW, back in the USA.
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  Speaker 4: I'm back.
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  Speaker 2: How did Italy go?
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  Speaker 4: It was good. Makes you appreciate the land of the
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  Speaker 4: free and the home of the brave. We missed America.
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  Speaker 4: Italy's cool, but I'm glad to be back. Glad to
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: be back with the team. It was great to be
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: there for Silver and her teammates. And they didn't do
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  Speaker 4: as well as they could have done. unfortunately, and didn't
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: make the finals on Sunday, but it was a good
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  Speaker 4: experience and one that they'll remember for a lifetime. But
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  Speaker 4: it's back to work.
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  Speaker 2: And your team won without you, right?
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  Speaker 4: They won without me. It goes to show you, you
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: set a good culture and standard, and you coach your
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: coaches up, and then you just let it go. I mean,
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: I came back, you know, I met with it. You
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  Speaker 4: get a kick out of this, sir.
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  Speaker 10: Met with the leaders.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, hey, I just want to check in.
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  Speaker 4: We've got a bye this week, which is much needed.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, hey, I just want to check in.
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  Speaker 4: How did everything go last week? The flow, what you
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: guys liked, didn't like, et cetera. And one of the
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: guys goes, hey, coach, don't take this the wrong way, but,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we actually, it was much more loose and
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  Speaker 4: we kind of had a lot more fun without you around.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, Hey man, it's good. It's good to know.
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  Speaker 4: It means I need to lighten up a little bit
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  Speaker 4: and not be such a heartache all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, so you're more, you're more Kyle Whittingham than Morgan Scali.
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  Speaker 4: It sounds like, well, you know, I just, you know,
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: I am who I am. So when, when things aren't
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: going awry, I'm going to tell you. And I expect,
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: I expect things to go a certain way. I could
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: have fun too now, but having fun is kicking people's
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: faces in the ground, not having false start penalties and discipline,
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: you know, those types of issues. So, you know, we
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  Speaker 4: all have things to work on. I'm not perfect.
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  Speaker 2: Speaker 0 7, 0 All right.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: 33 to zero drubbing of the Aggies for this Utah
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  Speaker 3: football team last weekend. Again, it was a home game,
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  Speaker 3: Rice-Echo Stadium packed out, beautiful sunny day in Salt Lake City,
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  Speaker 3: and a really clean first half for the offense and
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: the defense. Both things got a little bit funky in
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: the second half, but we can get to that. What
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  Speaker 3: were your thoughts on the game, especially that first half?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I was getting kicked off about 9.45
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  Speaker 4: my time, 9.30, 9.45. So I stayed up and watched it.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: Lucky enough, I was able to stream it, so... It was,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, just the efficiency, even though we at times
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  Speaker 4: had some third and longs, I believe, we were able
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  Speaker 4: to keep the drives going. And, man, I was just
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  Speaker 4: really impressed on some of the throws Dev made, especially
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  Speaker 4: on the sideline. The one over the defender was probably
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: like a, gosh, a 20-yard completion on the far sideline,
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  Speaker 4: opposite hash. And I'm just like, man, that is an
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  Speaker 4: incredible throw. And so I felt just I like the competitiveness.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: I like the energy. You know, Utah State did some things.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: They're a good, well-coached team. Like, you know, who did
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: they play a couple weeks before? Washington, at Washington. And they,
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: you know, we made them look way worse. So people
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: keep talking about, who we've played and this, that, and
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: the other. We just smoked Arkansas, and Georgia just plays
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: them and plays them the same. So does Georgia get
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: looked at the same as us, or is it because
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: Georgia has the name and the championships that they get
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: the pass? So I think every week that passes, every
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: week that we play well, obviously there's room for improvement.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: but we continue to show like people are realizing that
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  Speaker 4: like i said before the season i think this could
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: be a special year we got to go do it
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  Speaker 4: but there's no reason why we can't continue to climb
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  Speaker 4: and show.
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  Speaker 3: What we're about Put yourself back on this Utah football
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  Speaker 3: team and know that you've played three home games on
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: the bounce, right?
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  Speaker 2: Back to back to back at home.
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  Speaker 3: And now you're going to start Big 12 play, and
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: it's your first road game of the year. And there
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: are new starters on this team. There are guys who
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: are important players on this team who haven't done this
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: exact thing.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: They haven't done a lot of this, at least.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: What do you do to make sure guys are the
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  Speaker 3: same and perform the same on the road game from
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  Speaker 3: a leadership perspective as they did at home?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, keep the main thing, the main thing you
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: try to keep the same routine. Like even though the
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  Speaker 4: home game you're at home, you're still doing the same
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  Speaker 4: routine as if you're on the road, right? Like you'll
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: still have the same night meetings. You still have the
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  Speaker 4: same team movie. If they do that, you'll still have
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  Speaker 4: team dinner. You'll wake up, you'll have your walkthroughs and,
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  Speaker 4: and businesses will be the same. Yeah. You're not in your,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: you're the normal hotel room, but you're still in a
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  Speaker 4: hotel room. Uh, And so I think, I think it
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  Speaker 4: comes out, comes more as, as the leadership and, uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, those guys have been in big games on
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  Speaker 4: the road, uh, just reminding them like, Hey, we're here
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  Speaker 4: to get a job done. Let's do what we do. Right.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's supposed to be like raining and this
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: and that, and everyone's trying to hype up. I would
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: say has a chance. Like they don't have a chance.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go out and, and treat them as such, uh,
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  Speaker 4: and play our style of football. Let's continue to play.
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  Speaker 4: I know we had the second half of Utah State
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: was kind of ugly in some areas. Let's just try
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  Speaker 4: to clean that up and continue to try to strive
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  Speaker 4: for four quarters of football.
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  Speaker 3: Wet games, muddy games, gross games are good for slow
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  Speaker 3: guys like me, for real athletes like you. Did you
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  Speaker 3: enjoy a wet game or a muddy game?
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  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, defensively. Yeah. Cause, uh, well, it just depends. Like
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  Speaker 4: if you're, if you're on grass or turf, I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: Iowa state, if it's turf or grass, it's grass. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So that, that could honestly, that, that could affect a lot. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: now that you say that just for the receivers getting
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  Speaker 4: in and out of the breaks, uh, the advantages, you know,
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  Speaker 4: where the ball is coming and the time is coming.
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  Speaker 4: So being able to, to, uh, finagle and shift how
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: you run your route to make sure that you're getting
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  Speaker 4: in and out of breaks, you're not slipping where the
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: defense are reacting, so it's much more difficult. Understanding what
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: type of cleats and spikes, if I need longer cleats
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: or studs, making sure that we have that available. But
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: it just becomes much more of a dirty run-the-ball type game.
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  Speaker 4: And that's who we are, so we should be confident
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: going in I think we're confident anyways. I think it
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  Speaker 4: stems from our head coach and how we respect our opponent,
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  Speaker 4: but also we understand that we fear nobody, and we
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  Speaker 4: are the ones that put the gas pedal down and
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: don't change who we are. But it can affect. How
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  Speaker 4: are you going to handle the rain? Do you still
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: wear gloves? Do you not? Defensively, like, opportunities come, and
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: then it slips through your hands. So you definitely got
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  Speaker 4: to handle it, and we'll see how they do. It's
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  Speaker 4: the unknown.
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  Speaker 3: As a coach, how do you handle, like, what is
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  Speaker 3: the conversation like with, with distributing touches and making sure
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  Speaker 3: you're getting the ball in the hands of the guys,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: your playmakers, this is a good problem for Utah to have,
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  Speaker 3: but it is something that needs to be figured out
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  Speaker 3: in big 12 play where, you know, like last week
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  Speaker 3: in a, in a really nice offensive performance way, Sean
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  Speaker 3: only had like 13 touches instead of, I think the
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  Speaker 3: 20 or so that we're going to want to see
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  Speaker 3: him get.
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  Speaker 2: And that's fine.
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  Speaker 3: Cause you know, didn't play fourth quarter, that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, a week before that it was Braden
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  Speaker 3: Pagan didn't really get involved in the offensive game plan.
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  Speaker 3: And there are some guys that it feels like, you
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: probably want to get them the ball every single game
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  Speaker 3: on a relatively consistent basis. As long as the team
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: is winning, that's the most important thing. But to maximize
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: your entire season, do you have to get certain guys
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: the ball multiple times a game?
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  Speaker 2: How do you manage that as a coach?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's a very, very good point and question. Like,
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  Speaker 4: for me, in my opinion... I try to stress that
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  Speaker 4: the ball finds out, finds the ball goes where the defense,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: defense dictates where the ball goes, especially in the passing game.
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  Speaker 4: So it then incentivizes always running my routes hard and
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: knowing like, Hey, yeah, I know I'm primary in this concept,
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  Speaker 4: but depending on the defense and the structure and how
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: they cover it, like I could end up not getting
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  Speaker 4: the ball. So I got to make sure I run
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  Speaker 4: my route hard, no matter what, because whether I'm one, two, three,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: or even the check down, like I could be getting
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  Speaker 4: the ball in this place. So, I try to emphasize that,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: but you do have your studs, and you always, like,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: when I script, I try to make sure, like, I
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  Speaker 4: get those guys that you identify get a touch or
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: two within the first 10, just to get them going,
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  Speaker 4: get them in a rhythm. How are they going to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: defend Pagan, right? Like, how are they going to load
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: the box up on way, Sean? Like, those are the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: things you're trying to identify, how they handle emotions and
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: shifts and stuff. and reloads and all the, all those
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: types of things. But for me, I think it's a,
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  Speaker 4: it's a positive when way Sean doesn't have to, to
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  Speaker 4: get 20, 25 touches in a game, knowing that this
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: season is going to be a long season. We know
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: like we're going to rely on him and know that
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: we need a strong running game to win a championship.
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  Speaker 4: So I almost look at it as a positive that
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  Speaker 4: we didn't have to use them a bunch, but also
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: know like guys want the ball there. It's not like
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: so much of a selfish desire. It's just, offensive guys
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: want the ball. They want to make an impact. So
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: you gotta, you gotta make sure you tote that line
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: of keeping them engaged and encouraging them. And it seems
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  Speaker 4: like there is no drama per se of a me type.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: Like I'm not getting the ball. Like you see, you
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: see those runs happening in birds, like running down 50 yards,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: trying to get a block and pagan block on the perimeter.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: And like, you're seeing just so much great team football that,
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  Speaker 4: I think that is who we are, and it's not
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: about how many touches. So at the moment, I don't
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  Speaker 4: feel like it's an issue. But as a coach, you
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  Speaker 4: want to make sure those guys are making a difference,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: and you keep them in the game. You want to
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: keep those guys mentally in the game. You don't want
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: to go a quarter or two without touching the ball
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: if you're one of our studs. It just doesn't make sense.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: Some of this is dictated when you're still in an
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: early season by who you have played. So I don't
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: want to read too much into it, but Iowa State,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: is right now the least productive passing offense in the
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: Big 12 Conference. They've only thrown 54 passes in three games.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: You're a defensive back playing against this team and knowing
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: that that has been the trend so far.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: How do you prepare for this game?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you probably understand that I'm going to be on
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: an island the majority of the game, so I've got
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: to be locked in every single play. The fear I
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: always had as a defense and a defensive coordinator was,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: I don't really like selling out when I know a
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: team's going to run maybe 70% of the game. I
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: like to be sound. I like to be structured and
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: play good football. When you start bringing those safeties down
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: and now you're going zero or you're bringing the post
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: player down to get that extra defender because you're struggling
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: with the run, it just opens up for BS plays
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: on the perimeter that they have no business doing if
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: we just play normal defense. So That's what I would–
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: I'm always a little nervous when we sell out to
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: stop the run because it is a heavy run team
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: that you're leaving those corners out to drive. They can
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: just get lucky, right, like a lucky tip, and the
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: guy makes a catch for a 40-yard gain just because
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: he's playing press man all game. That's not– you don't
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: want to give easy things up. You want to make
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: them work for it philosophically-wise. But I would just make
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: sure our corners are locked in and understand I may
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: not get help much this game, I've got to be
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: on point every single snap, and that one play could
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: be the difference. It's that way anyways for corners, but
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: through scheme and different coverages, you do have some leniency
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: on I'm just over the top, I'm bailing out, I'm
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: playing the flat. But in this type of game, you
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: have to take that mindset. I'm not letting one catch
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: get on me.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: Eric Weller is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: Show talking all things football. We started with the Utes.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: I want to transition here a little bit. to the
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: National Football League. This one, I know there's not a
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: lot of love here in the Salt Lake City market
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: for Caleb Williams because of his time at USC and
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: his antics and things like that. you have to tell
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: me how guys in the NFL are processing and talking
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: about him weeping his way off the field on a
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: cart for a hamstring strain. I mean, it's been turned
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: into a meme online plenty, but inside of NFL conversations
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: in locker rooms and group chats with guys from the league,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: how is something like this handled?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, it's just embarrassing. I was shocked when
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: I heard it was a grade one hamstring strain. I'm
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: not the toughest guy in the world, but I played...
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: a lot of my career with a grade one hammy,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: like everybody's hammies hurt. I've torn a hamstring before and it,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: it wasn't, it wasn't like, I've, we just never seen
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: something like this. I mean, it's from, for a lot
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: of guys and just everybody is, is just taken back.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: Like you've made that much of a scene over a
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: hamstring and it's not even a like torn off the bone,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: I could see like being in that much pain, but
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: it was a, it was a mild strain. Like you
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: could have kept playing. I'm shocked. I mean, I've just,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: I don't know how he comes back from this, honestly, as,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: as the perception, like he is a stud and he's
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: a really good quarterback. I'm not going to say he's
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: a great quarterback. I think he does some crazy things
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: and he gets away with it, but How do you
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: come back from this? It's Paul Pierce 2.0. At least
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: Pierce came back out of a wheelchair with nothing wrong
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: with his knee. I mean, at that point, you go
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: back in the locker room. How do you not come
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: back in the game? That's the more telling thing. Like,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: you got carted off. We all thought it was an Achilles,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: even though we didn't see that movement. And then you
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: don't come back? I mean, goodness gracious, how soft is
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: this generation that these injuries... I mean, I don't want
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: to go off tangent on just the way things are nowadays,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: but you got guys so quick to go to the
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: doctor and get a doctor's note to not have them
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: play than just tough it out and play. When did
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: it turn that I'm going to do whatever it takes
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: to play rather than I don't want to play. I
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: don't understand that mindset. But that's like a lot of
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: kids and athletes nowadays, and it carries over to the NFL.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: I made the point on Monday when we found out
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: that it wasn't anything serious and he hadn't had that
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: reaction to it. I was like, he has now put
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: himself in a situation where where he almost can't get
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: back onto the field as quickly as he should because
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: he's got to pretend that the hamstring is a bigger
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: problem to justify getting carted off. He almost has to
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: be like, well, I'm fine, but I've got to make
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: it look like I wasn't overreacting, so I'll miss one
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: more game, and then I'll come back after that. I'm like, man,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: you've really shot yourself in the foot there.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, you have a valid point. You have a
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: valid point. I mean, people are saying he'll be back
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: this week. And that's just like, it's crazy.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: That's probably the right thing to do, come back this
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: week and just face the music that you overreacted and
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: you get made fun of.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: Seriously, I mean, hey, man, I thought my leg was dead. Seriously,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: I didn't know. When I looked down, I didn't think
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: my leg was attached to my hip. So I was like,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: I freaked out. I'm sorry. I freaked out.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: Uh, did you ever get fined for like a celebration
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: or an obscene gesture or anything like that.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: In the NFL?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: No, definitely not.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: You saw what happened to your boy juice, right?
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: It's getting out of control. Uh, like I'm all for like, man.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: And then at the pit, like I try to teach
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: my guys, like, You celebrate with your teammates. It's respecting
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: your opponent, but I don't mind celebrating and having fun
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: with your teammates. Just don't direct it at your opponent.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: I don't like to see that. I don't want to
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: see that. Because the game will humble you in an instant,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: and you don't need to put that in the air.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: And it's just not good football. But when you're doing
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: something like that, you're taking the fun, the little fun
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: that we have, you're taking it away over stupid stuff.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: I get just, it's like the umpire given a ball
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: to that pitcher because his hat was crooked.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: And then like, now that the whole team's cracking in
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: their hat, like, what are we doing? What like, are
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: we really, you're really going to put your foot down? Like,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: this is the mountain you're going to stand on because
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: of the hatch cricket. Like you're going to really make it.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: So guys just don't have fun out there. Like, you
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: have to have fun playing football. That's when you play
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: your best. And that's the joy of, of football is
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: having fun. So I don't know. I think it's a joke. And,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: and sometimes people get in these positions where they just
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: want to puff out their chest instead of just knowing
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: where they stand. Like the game's not about you ref,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: like just let them do their thing. They're not affecting anybody.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: For those who don't know what I'm talking about against
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: the dolphins, 49ers fullback, Kyle use chick. He, he, He
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: did his signature celebration that he's been doing for years
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: where he was chugging. Like he's not really chugging anything.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: It looks like he's drinking something. He's drinking his juice
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: because they call him juice. And the NFL find him
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: 15 grand for engaging in offensive demonstration for imitating chugging
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: a beer, which is, he's like, no, it's.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: Juice, man.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: It's imaginary is what it is. NFL. Nobody knows what
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: it is. It's chocolate milk. My favorite drink.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: And even, Even more, you're selling alcohol in the stadium.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: They got billboards everywhere of alcohol and you're going to
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: find a guy for, you know, what he's doing and
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: you know, his nickname, like that should be rescinded out
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: the gate because it's a mistake. But it's like, it's
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: so hypocritical. Like the NFL, like they, they want to
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: say don't gamble, but every gambling resource business is, is
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: funding the NFL and funding these owners. So it's like, Like,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: what are we doing? Like you got rules for the,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: but not for me. Like it's typical, typical NFL garbage.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: By the way, Kyle, you six response was, dude, I
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: don't even drink beer. So that's like, if you, I would,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: I would feel very upset. I don't drink beer either.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: If somebody find me for pretending to drink beer, I'd
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: be like, dude, I don't even in real life drink beer.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: Even when I actually have a beverage in my hand,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: it's not beer. That's a, it's gotta be annoying.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes sense. The NFL does a lot of
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: dumb stuff, and they do a lot of things that
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: don't make sense.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: All right, last thing before I let you go. The
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: Giants are now going to be without Jackson Dart for
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: an extended period of time. Young player, season-ending knee surgery,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: bum deal for a guy that is obviously a huge
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: part of what a young team with a new coach
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: that you know well wants to do. If you're in
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: that locker room, how are you processing the loss of
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: your starting quarterback?
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's a bummer. Obviously, he looked outstanding
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: that first game. It's not just like an ascending quarterback
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: in this league, but you can tell the guys like him.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: They play hard for him. I don't know if Abdul
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: Carter likes him, but what he does and what he
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: presents on the field and just how he's fun, he's
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: Runs the ball hard, and he's getting better at throwing
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: the ball. So it just is a huge hit, huge hit. Now, man,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: Winston looks so bad. So if a week of practice,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: is that the guy, or is it someone else out
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: there that they may want to bring back? But I
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: feel like the team is good enough with a competent
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: quarterback to be competitive, but you don't want to, like,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: make this season out to be like a 4-13 season. Right.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: if you don't have a quarterback, that's what it could
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: go to. Because if you don't have a quarterback, you
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: don't have a chance. But it's really unfortunate. And as
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: a player, you're just trying to pick it up and
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: try to keep the morale high, especially as a veteran.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: And honestly, like, yeah, it could get bad, but you
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: still have to put on good tape and you still
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: have to, like, play well and do your job. Because
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: at the end of the year, like, you have a
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: tough year, like, you'll be on the chopping block, too,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: just because you didn't play well. It doesn't matter what
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: the quarterback situation is.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: What are you going to do during the bye week?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: Gage and I are going up to Cal tomorrow for
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: Cal Clemson. And so that should be a good atmosphere,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: see what that's all about. And then chilling, watching the
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: game Saturday. We get back early Saturday morning so I
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: can watch the game and... Prepping for next week. We've
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: got Del.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 9: Norte at home.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: It's a huge game there. 4-1, more 4-1. League opponent.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: And got to get some guys off of injury. So
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: just get ahead on that with prep and enjoy the
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: weekend with the fam. Outside of that, I think all
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: the kids don't really have anything this weekend, so we'll
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: be able to just hang out and spend some time together.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: The biggest part of me wants Gage to end up
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: as a Ute, but a very wicked little part of
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: me wants you to have to spend a lot of
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: time in Berkeley. around a bunch of hyper-liberal people, because
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: I know how much you would enjoy that.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: Well, there's a reason I'm flying in right before the game,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: going to the game, and then coming back. Me meandering
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: around Berkeley probably won't ever happen. And that's cool, man.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: We all know our lanes and what we like to
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: be around. Me and some of that demographic not happening.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: Love you, dude. Thanks for jumping on the show again.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: You got it, bro.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: Eric Weddle, the Utah football legend. Bye week for the
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: Broncos of Rancho Bernardo. Big thanks to him for jumping on.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: The Daily Dump is next. Greg Popovich. Did Greg Popovich...
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: violate bro code in an unforgivable way. We have to
• 1:19:40
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• 1:19:43
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  Speaker 2: All right, how important is bro code?
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• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: important in your life. Maybe like girl code, whatever you
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: call it on that side of things, may or may
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: not be more important in your life based on the
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: area in which you work as an adult. I think
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: when you get to a certain age, you worry less
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: about the cultural norms and convention.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: And I think when you're a.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: Highly accomplished person who has also had, to be indelicate,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: a brush with death, you probably just don't care about
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: social convention or breaking unwritten rules or not.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: But let's process this.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: Greg Popovich, former San Antonio Spurs head coach, is remarried.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: And it feels icky because this is a sourcing from TMZ,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: but they got the marriage license. He married a woman
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: named Mary Barth Budenholzer, formerly known as Mrs. Mike Budenholzer. Oh,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: I thought it might've been a different Budenholzer. It's a
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: very common name.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: It's like Smith or Jensen here in the state of Utah. Look,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: this is.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: Apparently they were, they got married September 16th. So what's
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: that eight days ago in Texas and Mike, Mike Budenholzer
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: coached under Greg Popovich for 20, almost 20 years, 1996
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: to 2013. This is not like Derek Fisher was with
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: the Utah jazz for five minutes. These guys, these guys
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: worked together for a long time.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: He was the the lead protege of Greg Popovich for
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: a very long time. It's no surprise he turned out
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: to be a great NBA head coach himself because he
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: was literally at the feet of Greg Popovich for so long.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: So Mike Budenholzer and his wife, Mary Budenholzer, got divorced
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: 10 years ago.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: So it's, you know, water well under the bridge. It's
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: a long time ago.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: Uh, Popovich has been a widower since 2018. So like, look,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: everyone's entitled to happiness. Is this a violation of bro
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: code given the timeline and given like, I, this is
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: really funny. Cause my, my wife and I had a
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: conversation about this literally last weekend because somebody texted me.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: One of my friends texted me and was just like, Hey,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: I have an opportunity to go out with somebody I
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: didn't know. I have an opportunity to go out with
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: my friend, this person. We're not mutual friends. I have
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: an opportunity to go out with my friend's ex-wife.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: Should I do that? And I was like, no. If
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: you're friends with them while they're married, you can't. That's
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: a no. You cannot.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: That's a no matter how long it's been after they've
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: been divorced?
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: Well, and then I had a conversation with my wife,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: and she's like, why not?
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: She's like, think about it. If it's like.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: The spouse of your friend is probably like you and
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: your friend have things in common and like the same
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: kind of things. So you probably like the same kind
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: of women. So there's not just unlimited great bachelorettes out there.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: Why not? And I was like, I would think that.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: The feminine perspective on this would be like, no, absolutely not.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: But she was like, why not? If they're not married still,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: if it's like, you know, everything's cool.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: Why not?
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, maybe I should think more
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: about this. So I I'm keeping an open mind here
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: for Greg Popovich. And I do think that Popovich is
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: in the phase of life like that.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: I don't, I think he's always been in.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: This phase of life to a certain extent, but especially
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: now given his health challenges, his.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: Age, he's not coaching.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: He's, he's in a front office role where he's not
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: doing a lot of day to day anymore.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: And I imagine at some point he probably was just like,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: he either said, Mike, how do you feel about this?
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: And got Budenholzer's blessing. Or he just said, Mike, how
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: do you feel about this? And maybe he was just like,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: are you crazy, Pop? Don't do that. And Pop was like, dude,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: I'm like 80 years old and I don't care what
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: anyone thinks anymore.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: So it's just a wild story.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: Mike Budenholzer's ex-wife, who of course knew Greg Popovich during
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: the entirety of her marriage experience, to Mike Budenholzer is
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: now married to Greg Popovich, but it is 10 years
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: removed from when she was married to Mike Budenholzer.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: So 10 years is a lifetime, dude. I don't know
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: how I feel.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: I here's, it's definitely nuanced.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: I think the way that I think about it, one
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: is how much time has passed since your friend and,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: and his wife, significant.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: Other, whatever separated 10 years. Okay.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: That, to me would seem like long enough time, but
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: then also you probably need to have a conversation with
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: your friend and make sure and, and tell him, Hey, listen, we've,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: we've reconnected.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: We, we like each other. What do you think?
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: And at.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: Some level it's you, it's you and this person's happiness, right?
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: And if you're happy together, It doesn't necessarily, it shouldn't
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: necessarily matter what someone else thinks, but you got to
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: at least do the courtesy of asking, okay, how do
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: you feel about this? We're friends. I don't want this
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: to affect our relationship.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: I would make an argument that if you work in
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: the NBA, which Popovich still does, like you, you do
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: have to at least give some thought to bro code
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: because there are going to be people around you, locker
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: room culture and stuff.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: They're going to have thoughts.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: You know, they're going to, there's, but it's not like
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: this is the first time anything similar to this has happened.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: There's been a lot of like, you know, celebrities that
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: an actor and an actress get married. And then when
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: they divorce or separate, it's, uh, you know, they, they,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: they marry another actor or actress or whatever.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: So like in all of it is we are insular
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: as people, right?
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: This, this happens in every community where you're just like, look,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: that's my, That's my whatever. That's my ex-husband's cousin or
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: my ex-husband's like mission companion or my ex-husband's old college
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: baseball teammate.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: Or whatever it is.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: The links are probably things like subconsciously that make you
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: already like and trust the person.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: So I don't know. Sure. Yeah.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: I think if you're going to do it, if you're
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: going to go into it rashly where either you Not
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: that much time has passed, less than maybe a couple
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: years has passed since your friend and their significant other separated.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: Or it's been a long time, but you haven't even
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: talked to the friend about it.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: You're probably doing it the wrong way. So I'm hoping.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: That Pop had a conversation with Bud before he married Mrs.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: Bud.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: Ex-Mrs.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: Bud.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: That's, that's where it's at with, uh, with Greg Popovich,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: really fascinating, really interesting stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of the last person you'd think would in, in,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: in NBA circles, you'd think would do something like this though. Well,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: but also no, because like Greg Popovich strikes me as
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: someone who really, truly just doesn't give a bleep.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: You know, he's always like, he, he's the guy who would,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: And he still does. He says he shares his political opinion.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: He's a guy who's just like, I'm going to be
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: who I am. I'm going to say what I say.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: And people respect him for that. Whether or not this
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: is viewed positively in the NBA matters on some level,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: but also not because he's not directly having to deal
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: with teams and players and things like that in a
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: certain way so it's just it's fascinating it's a little
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: soap opera action in the nba uh how about this
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: james brought this to my attention during the break I
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: must not have gotten the email. The Utah jazz are
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: holding an open practice Monday, October 5th at the Delta center.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: It is free to the public. There's no Dick ticket required.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: Starts at five. The doors open at four and J
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: dogs for everyone in attendance.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: A free J dog voucher. For everyone in attendance. So
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: free J-Dog voucher. I think you got to probably go
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: to the J-Dogs on the concourse to redeem the voucher.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's interesting. Because they've had, like, remember the plaza
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: party they had for the, like, Shibuzee and all that
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: stuff at the Delta Center? They just had, like, Tupperware
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: bins full of J-Dogs.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: The big pep rally type thing when they announced that,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: NHL is coming to Utah that they had that.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: I probably took like three home. It was just, wow. Okay.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: It was supposed to be one each James. Let me
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: just hold on. It was after we left. Okay. I'm
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: calling Ryan Smith.
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  Speaker 4: Hold on.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: Let me get her on the phone.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: Uh, James J dog abuser abused his J dog privileges. Proud,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: proud J dog abuser.
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  Speaker 2: This is great.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: By the way, by the way, this, uh, the Delta center,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: the newly remodeled refurbished, uh, shiny Delta center starting next
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: week is just like back to back to back to
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: back events.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: They're getting people through those doors.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: They must be incredibly proud of what is going on
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: and incredibly confident that there is no issue with any
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: of the construction and the reconstruction, because it's like, You've
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: got the first Utah Mammoth game. You've got a UFC
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: event that Saturday. You've got an open practice the Monday
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: after that where people can just come in there for free.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: They're showing off. Smith Entertainment Group is strutting it a
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: little bit. They're flexing.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: You just mentioned the schedule of events there for sports
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: events there. You'll have an opportunity if you've got tickets
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: to the Mammoth game to see... the new hockey configuration
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: since the renovations. And then this will be your first
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: opportunity to see the jazz configuration after the latest round
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: of renovations. So this, I think this is a savvy
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: move by them to be like, Hey, come see the
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: Delta center for free. See what it'll look like during
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: jazz games and watch our guys make a bunch of
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: watch our guys do a bunch of layup lines and
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: throw down three 60 dunks.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: For your entertainment.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: Bear with me. This is a big announcement. In the
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: world of combat sports. Long time heavyweight champion. One of
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: the biggest British stars in the sport. Is now taking
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: on another one of the biggest stars in the sport.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: Anthony Joshua. Tyson Fury.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 9: Years.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: I mean they've been trying to make this fight for
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: 15 years. And it is finally happening. Friday December 11th.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: This is another venture of Netflix into the combat sports space,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: into the sports space in general. AJ versus Tyson Fury
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: heavyweight championship fight.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: A big thing about this is both of these guys
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: are British. Okay.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: And this is something that I appreciate immensely about like
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: promoters in boxing are blech for the most part, right?
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: Promoters are, combat sports are really kind of hard to stomach.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: And you guys already know the reputation of people like
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: Dana white, the Saudis have gotten involved and they've thrown
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: an immense amount of money at boxing.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: It's real.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: And like they did with golf, it's really interesting to
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: see the Saudi public investment fund is like peeling a
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: lot of stuff back. They're not just like throwing money
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: at things anymore, getting kind of out of the MMA business.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: They're being more cautious with their spending in the WWE
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: and the, in the, the sports rate, the, um, like
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: formula one space. Uh, but it's, it's been fascinating to watch. Anyway, Turkey,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: LL chic is the name of the guy who kind
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: of spearheaded all that for the Saudis. Uh, they wanted
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: this fight in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Dana white and TKO
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: and several other American promoters wanted to make this fight,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: which is by a lot of people, uh, like this
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: is a super bowl level event in boxing. They wanted
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: this fight at Madison square garden at the Mecca and
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua are proud Brits. And both
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: of them wanted the fight to happen in England or
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: wanted the fight to happen in the UK. And there,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: it would be like, you know, the NBA finals playing
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: game seven in Mexico city to have a fight like
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: this happened on American soil, or maybe to have to
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: have it happen in London, right?
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: Where, yeah, sure.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: It's like a huge market and it totally justifies taking
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: an event like that to London or whatever. There are
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: people who've talked about like a London super bowl is
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: probably an eventuality that feels icky to me because it's
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: an American sport holiday.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: It's the super bowl is our thing.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people in the boxing world felt
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: like this fight, if it ever did materialize, belonged to
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: great Britain, belonged to the United Kingdom and, Part of
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: what made it take so long was Vegas, Madison Square Garden,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia. The numbers that you could throw around with
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: some of those venues are potentially a lot different than
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: what you can do in London or where it's ending
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: up now, which is crazy. It's not even in London.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: This is going to happen in Cardiff, Wales. One of
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: the coolest cities I've ever had an opportunity.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: To visit, by the way. Cardiff is great.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: I had not heard of Cardiff before this, so I
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: wondered if it was a place where it actually, within
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: the UK, justifies having a fight this big.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: Honestly, James, I would not have thought it is big
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: enough of it, because it's like a.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, when I think of it, and I've been
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: there for one week, so it's not like I know
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: exactly what I'm talking about.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: Was it a PFL?
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: We had a PFL event. Principality Stadium is the name
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: of the venue. The same venue you guys were at?
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: No, we were at the smaller one. Okay.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: This is a stadium. This is like a stadium show.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: Like a soccer stadium? It's a rugby stadium. Rugby stadium, okay.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: And it's got a roof on it, so I think
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: that's how they're able to do it for boxing. But
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: this is a big deal. And yeah, the, like they
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: play mostly rugby here there. In fact, if you want
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: to head over there a couple of weeks before the
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: Anthony Joshua Tyson fury fight, you can watch the, uh,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: the Welsh rugby union team take on the all blacks
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: of New Zealand and then take on Australia in rugby.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: So like big time thing, this is cool.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: This is incredible that, uh, Um, and, and look, it's,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: it's probably not altruism from promoters. They they're doing it
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: in a way that's going to make them a huge
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: amount of money. But the fact that this is a
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: celebration of British boxing talent and they, they're keeping it
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: in Britain to do it. They're keeping it in, in
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: the United Kingdom to do it. I think feels like
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: we should all get on board with it. It's harder
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: for you or I to go attended in person.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: Now you got to make the trip over to Cardiff.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: More likely you're just going to watch this thing on Netflix,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: but it's, it's sort of an anti-sellout sentiment from the fighters.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: I'll go and I'll do it in Vegas. I'll do
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: it in New York.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: This was, this is like the super bowl being kept
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: in the United States for boxing.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: And I like that. You don't get a lot of
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: feel good out of boxing. This makes me feel good.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: That's cool. I, I wonder locally within the UK, within
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: great Britain, England in particular, How many people are like,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: you put it in Wales, though? These are English fighters.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: I wonder if there's that sentiment locally. Obviously, us far
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: removed from there, we don't have that same tribalism that
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: I know exists over there.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: So that's a curiosity.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: It's actually really interesting because when you talk like, okay,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: let's say you go to Dubai where there's just expats
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: all over the place, right? If a fighter from England
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: walks into the cage or into the ring in a
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: situation like that, anyone from the UK is going to
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: be like, that's our guy.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Right.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: If you do it in England and a Welsh fighter
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: walks out, they're getting booed. If you do it in
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: Wales or something, if you do it in Wales and
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: an English fighter walks out like Scotland and Wales, both
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: we've done events in both places. We've had Scotland fighter
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: versus English fighter. The English fighters, they hate them when they're,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: when they're, it's like, Within the UK, you know how
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: this manifests itself here in the state of Utah. So
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: if you are, if you're going to like, um, if you're,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: if you're a rugby event or if you had a
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: fight event or something like that. that, and there is
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: a Samoan or a Samoan team on one side and
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: there's a Tongan or a Fijian on the other side,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: that's a rivalry, right? However, if it's, a Polanyi like
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: you or me on one side, and it's a Polynesian
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: of any origin on the other side, then the more
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: likely scenario is that the, right. It's like, yeah, it's
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: like a proximity level of tribalism where it's just like, well,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: I'm not Samoan, but I'm Samoan adjacent as being a
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: fellow Polynesian. So if I have to keep up with somebody,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: one of us in this case, but not one of
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: us in specific cases.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it. One of us
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: in this case, not one of us in every case.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: I think that's what we're getting here in the UK.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: If it's, Hey, this is either going to happen in
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: Las Vegas or in Cardiff, every English person is just like, yes, Cardiff,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: don't take it to Vegas. If they were like, it's
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: either going to happen in Cardiff or London, then they're like, dude, London.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: It's a no brainer. These guys are Brits. I had a,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: someone in my mission.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: Um, he's from, he was from Birmingham and he clued
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: me into a lot of the tribalism among the UK nation,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: the nations in the UK.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: He talked about, he was a big tennis fan.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: And so he talked about like Andy, they in America,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: or they're always talking about Andy Murray. Like he's this
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: great British hope. It's like, he's a Scott. What's the
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: way that was his response to me. And I'm like,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, interesting. Cause over here, we just, yeah.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: Like it's all, it's the, it's the United kingdom. They're
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: all probably the same, but over there, it depends on
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: which country you're from before they get on board with you.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: That's your daily dump here on the Sean O'Connell show.
• 1:40:25
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• 1:40:30
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• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: Utah versus Iowa State. You'll get another one today. You'll
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: get another one tomorrow. The Wednesday report, which was issued
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: last night. Marcus Wimberly is out for the University of Utah.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: You're like, who?
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: He's a backup backup safety. Can I Lopez is also
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: out backup, backup tight end. Monica Carvalho listed as questionable.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: Carson Cal Fousey listed as questionable. Ike Garcia still listed
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: as questionable on the report for the university of Utah.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: Mana has been having some issues with fielding punts. I
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if we don't see Creed Whittemore, especially
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: if Mana is not a hundred percent healthy. Carson Kalfusi,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: if he can't go or if he's compromised in some way,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: big loss. He is your biggest, scariest defensive lineman. This
• 1:42:30
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• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: an adept, at least, run offense for Iowa State. You
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: need Carson Kalfusi plugging some gaps and keeping blockers off
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: of your backers. So hopefully they can get him right
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: and he can make the trip and actually play in Ames.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: That being said, can you probably get past Iowa State
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: without your full, full go, your full, full roster?
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: Maybe so.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: And so you've got to play that game of balance of, hey,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: if I give him a week to rest, is he
• 1:43:05
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• 1:43:07
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• 1:43:09
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• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: But that's your injury report. The initial report for Iowa
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: State has a lot more names on it. So that's
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: a total of five guys from the University of Utah.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: There's about 20 on the list for Iowa State. Trey Verdon,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: Daniel Howard, and Kamari Moore are the only ones who
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: are out. The reason I bring that up is because there's...
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: There was a question about how Morgan Scali was going
• 1:43:45
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• 1:43:50
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• 1:43:52
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• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: I think we're finding a middle ground here.
• 1:43:57
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• 1:44:00
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• 1:44:04
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  Speaker 7: Always better after a win.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: Not just a win, a shutout.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: Now, I know the credit goes to the defense for
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: the shutout part, but everybody gets to enjoy that. It's
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: nice to see a goose egg on the other side.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: I don't know the last time that's happened, but pretty impressive.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: We looked it up.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: The last FBS opponent, so non-FCS opponent, the last FBS
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: shutout was 2019.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: Dang. So seven years ago.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 7: That's crazy.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, that means.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: like potentially two whole classes of football player went through
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: the university of Utah without blanking an opponent.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: And you guys did it last Saturday.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 7: That's shout out to defense for sure.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: Cause especially even like with my fumble, I put them
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 5: in a rough situation and rap gets a pig, like
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 5: boys capitalize every opportunity.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 7: So shout out them.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't going to mention it, but you did
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: the fumble. Tell me what happened. Tell me how it felt.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: You know, how did it come about?
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 5: Um, I mean, I'm always disappointed in myself when I
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 5: fumble the ball, but just it was something we brought
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: up this week, just ball security while falling. Like when
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 5: you fall, especially forward, it's like your arms is going
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 5: to brace you from falling. So is this a way
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 5: of cradling and kind of laying on your shoulder rather
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: than trying to brace yourself with your arms?
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: That's the only negative thing we have to say today,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: just a review of something.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: So, look, this was a fun game, and it's a
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: game where there's some familiarity.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: There's crossover, right?
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: We asked you last week what it was going to
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: be like seeing Bronco Mendenhall and some of the coaches
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: that were on that New Mexico staff. Did you have
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: a chance to catch up and say hello? And like
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: you said, you were going to love up Bronco and
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: expect him to do the same thing.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: Did that actually happen?
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, I won't claim anything. I don't know for sure,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 5: but it looked like he honestly waited. He didn't get
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 5: off the field until I said something to him because
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 5: he was kind of just looking there.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 7: I think he was looking for me. So, yeah, I'm glad.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: I was just excited to find him, too, after I
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 5: dapped up a couple of the players. It was a
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 5: very emotional hug he gave me. We bonded a lot
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: when I was at New Mexico and things like that.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 5: So just good to see a good person like him.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 7: Hey.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: Before the game happened, he had nice things to say
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: after the game happened.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: He had nice things to say.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: I actually talked with a couple of coaches on the
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: staff and like, you always hear respect from opposing coaches
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: about good players like yourself, but to hear like genuine
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: love and affection for a player because of the relationship.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: And because you know them, it's part of the new
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: landscape of college football, but it talking to those guys,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: there's a man.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: Dev is good.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: He's better now than when we had him in New
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: Mexico too. So You know, that's really an interesting dynamic
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: for me, that that coaching staff knows you as a
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: player but also knows you as a human being. And
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: it's like, even though they wanted to beat you, it
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: seemed like they were also kind of impressed and happy
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: for your success.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 5: I always try to surround myself in, like, that's kind
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 5: of the coaches I pick to play under is the
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 5: coaches that care about more than just the game and
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 5: all that. So I'm not saying I didn't expect it,
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 5: but just how much we've been through and just knowing
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 5: who they were, that was the reason why I stayed
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 5: at New Mexico my second year and got to know
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 5: them pretty well.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: Your guy Braden Pagan went off in this game.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: Now, I don't know if that's something that you guys
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: planned is a corny way to say it. Because, of course,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: you're always planning to have big games and a couple
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: touchdowns and eight catches for 122 yards.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: But....
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: That's also his former team. He came down from Utah
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: state and I didn't hear much, but I saw, you know,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: there was a little extracurricular conversation, probably good fun, whatever. Uh,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: did it seem to you in practice and maybe during
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: the game that this one meant a little extra something
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: special for Brayden?
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 5: Um, definitely Brayden and, uh, Maggie, you know, we kind
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 5: of knew they just came from there. This game was
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 5: going to mean a lot to them to be able
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 5: to script some and, you know, get things to work
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 5: for sure. So, uh, I mean, BP, I think he's
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 5: shown that, you know, he's our one receiver.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 7: He's that guy.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: And personally, you know, he told me, he was like,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: if there's any point where it's one-on-one, throw me the ball.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: So kind of just that mentality of him also, though.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 5: He wanted it this game. And, you know, every situation,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 5: he's definitely capitalizing on it.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: So one of the touchdown passes you threw to him,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: the play before– You got pressured and I think had
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: to throw it.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: Away or something.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: And I think it was a backer was chirping. You
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: would run like 30 yards back behind the line of
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: scrimmage or whatever and to the Utah State sideline. And
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: he was chirping and talking to you and you were
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: talking back. And then the very next play, you found
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: Braden Pagan for a long touchdown pass.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: And I think, correct me if I'm wrong, I think
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: you found him again and maybe said a little something.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 8: Now.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: That's how it goes, Battle of the Brothers, right? But
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: please give me some insight into both ends of that conversation.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 5: Again, Scali was telling us beforehand, everybody keep your composure.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 5: And I feel like I was keeping my composure for
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 5: the most part of the first half.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 7: And then I.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 5: Got a club to my face mask or hand to
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 5: my face mask, and then he was talking trash.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 7: I'm looking at the ref like, You ain't going to
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 7: call that.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: And then we get to that drive, and, yeah, I
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: think I threw the ball out or something. And then
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 5: it was just the fact they were like, they thought
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 5: they had me or something. They were like, yeah, we're
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 5: on that. You can't do nothing against us.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: Which, like, I get it if it was a sack
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: or a true negative play.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: Like, let a defense sell, right, or whatever. I was laughing.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: I was sitting with one of my former teammates from Utah,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: and we're laughing because, like, He basically ran you out
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: of bounds.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: You threw the ball away, and it's just like.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he tripped at the wrong guy. I was hot.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: I was like, what are you.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: That's not a play to celebrate and talk trash on
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: the quarterback. But anyway, and then the very next play
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: was like, gotcha.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 7: Well, yeah. I looked at the ref again. I was like,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 7: are you not seeing it?
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 5: I think, like, not only were they talking trash, they were, like,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 5: bumping me while they were doing it.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 7: I'm like, ref, are we serious? Like, I'm getting harassed.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 7: I was, all right, but... So then, next play, BP was...
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 7: Went on with the corner, and then, yeah.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, as soon as I let that ball go, I
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 5: kind of knew BP was going to go get up
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 5: there and get it. Yeah, I don't know what I said,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: but some words definitely came out.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I believe that. It doesn't know
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: what he said on that one, but it's okay.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I, like, blacked out. Like, I was hot. I
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 7: was in the moment.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: We had another big run, by the way. I always
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: read off the stats.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: 22-32, 2-53.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: Just under eight yards per completion, two touchdowns, no interceptions.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: When you went back, you watched your own film, not
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: just those highlight plays, but you know, the, the everyday play,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: so to speak. Did you feel like this was the
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: execution you wanted from yourself in the game?
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 5: Um, from a past standpoint, I would say, yeah, there
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 5: was a couple, um, there's early, early down motions that
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 5: I forgot or, uh, this decision-making on handing the ball
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 5: off or not. I could have been cleaner on, but, um,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 5: That pass game was pretty solid. One of my better
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 5: games I've had in that area of the game.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: What was Utah State doing well against the inside run?
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: You know, Wayshon didn't really break any big ones inside
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: the tackles. Uh, obviously Bray had the big one that
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 3: went around the edge way. Sean had a huge one
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: called back. Uh, so maybe our conversation would be different, but, uh,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: you know, you gotta give credit to the Aggies. That
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: is one area leading into the game. We were talking about,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: this is something they're very good at defending. The run
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: is maybe like the only thing they're very good at
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: this year. And while the team finished with five yards
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: of carry, there were a lot of like two and
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: three yard runs where those could be considered defensive wins.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: What were they doing well against the run?
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 5: Um, yeah, we've seen that from, When they play Washington
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 5: right before us, yeah, that's just something they're dialed in on,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 5: on stopping the run. And just also, I mean, that's
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 5: Broncos mentality. Like, even when I played under them, it's
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: to be tough. It's to win in the box. Make
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 5: sure those guys are prepared to win in the box
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 5: in any situation. And Maggie talked about that going into
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 5: the game.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 7: Just even he knows the culture, too. That's something, you know,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 7: they thrive in.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: Um, we talked about this last week. We'll probably talk
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: about this every single week. You know, you get a
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: few of the really interesting, fascinating plays, the unique kind
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: of stuff with the two quarterback, two quarterback system. Um,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: and you know, we saw a little bit of that.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: I think maybe less of that in the Utah state
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: game than we saw against Arkansas. Was that a by
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: design thing or are those plays situational? And you, the
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: situations didn't arise where you were going to use like
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: the really super creative stuff.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 5: I would say it's kind of situational again. Like the
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 5: defense doesn't kind of show us that we should do
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 5: it then.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah. We don't run it.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 5: We, we go to our other things. Our offense is
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 5: so versatile. So, um, we just had to kind of
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 5: take whatever, whatever makes sense.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: We, uh, what, what day was it, James? We had like,
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: was it Thursday or Friday on the show last week?
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: We were trying to come up with like a catchy
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: name for the two quarterback thing. And I put it
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: out on the text line. I put it out on Twitter.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what should we be calling this thing? And
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: we got a bunch of like play on words with
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: like the bird and the spider, like the, What we
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: decided was the favorite is two quarters, two quarterbacks. That's
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: 50 cent. Same guy came in. He said, we'll call
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: it the 50 center of the half dollar. I was like,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: half dollar is a pretty, the half dollar offense sounds
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: pretty awesome. But, What do you like best? Is there like,
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what the package is called,
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: but if it's going to get nicknamed, do you want like,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: what was the other one?
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: Spider Hawk, they kept calling it.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 7: Spider Hawk. Because you're the.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: Spider, he's a bird. The Hawk is the Utah mascot, whatever.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: Got a lot of Spider Hawk.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: Someone brought in like the native language word for spider
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: and hawk. I mean, there was a lot of creativity
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: going on.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: I like 50 cent or half dollar the best, but
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: what do you like as a nickname for that offense?
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 7: Those are all new.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 5: Um, bird definitely has, I think three or four formations
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 5: named after him for him to get in with different personnels.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: So we'll have to brainstorm on that.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah. I'm about to get back to that though.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: I'm going to, Oh yeah.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: The McDouble was also a really good one because it's
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: Mac G's double quarterback offense.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: I like McDouble.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 7: McDouble. The Mac double. The Mac double.
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  Speaker 3: to have three in a row kind of tune things
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: up at Rice-Eckel Stadium, not like you haven't played on
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: the road before. Even the guys that were backups last
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: year played on the road. What do you expect from
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: the first road game of the season at Iowa state?
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, definitely expected a good crowd. I think they
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 5: played Iowa pretty solid just coming off momentum. You know,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 5: I think this game's matters to them as well. So,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 5: and I mean, yeah, they're, they're a strong, tough team
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 5: and chances of rain coming out there, you know, that
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 5: game can go either way. Just in the standpoint of,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 5: we don't know if it's going to be sunny or,
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 5: It's going to be truly raining. We have no clue
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 5: what the circumstances will be, but we're prepared. I think
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 5: Skyler's doing the right thing. Week by week, we're throwing
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 5: the ball wet and just small stuff like that just
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 5: to make sure we're dialed in for any environment we
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 5: go into.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: Playing your prep ball in Arizona, you probably didn't have
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: a lot of super bad weather or rainy games. In
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: high school, I don't know how many of you played
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: in college, but do you like a messy game, a
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: muddy game, a wet game?
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: Like some football players enjoy that.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: Usually it's guys who are slow because it's down, right.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: And everything's straight line and it's harder to be twitchy
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 3: on a wet surface. So guys like me enjoy a
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: muddy game. Do you like that stuff?
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 7: No, it's cool. I mean, that's what I signed up for.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 5: I signed up to, play football in any environment but
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 5: uh yeah i would say cool is the word i
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 5: wish i wish i could get the whole like i
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 5: guess there's somewhat of like you dial down on some
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: things just because of yeah again speed the speed you're
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 5: able to run at on that on the grass and
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 5: stuff like that but yeah i'm definitely an arizona boy
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 5: though i'm all about the.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 7: Sun being out.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: So Iowa state, like you said, they're, you know, they're
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: a solid team. They had a really close loss to Iowa.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: Who's a top 25, big 10 team right now. That's
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: an in-state rivalry for them. That's obviously something, a game
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: that really matters. And those things are sometimes hard to
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: judge by, but what are you seeing from this defense
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 3: on film in terms of like how quick they swarmed
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 3: to the ball? Maybe some exotic things, the pressure that
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: they usually bring. I know you're just starting this film study.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 3: Just getting this stuff rolling, but what are you seeing?
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, honestly, just a little bit of everything. Disguising things.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's definitely different than, I guess, you could
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 5: say the old Iowa State meta they used to always run.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 5: Like there was an Iowa State kind of thing everyone
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 5: knew they were in, three safety things. So just kind
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 5: of them starting their new defense in a way.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, we're all– getting used to it. Now you,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: you experienced it. So I'm sure you're used to it,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 3: but like, this is for Iowa state. You got a
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 3: lot of new, a lot of new players, a lot
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: of new staff. And we have not been able to
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 3: put our finger on it with you. Like exactly why,
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: but like, it seems like everything about you in year
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: two at the university of Utah is better, more comfortable, smoother, whatever, like,
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 3: and I attribute it to people ask all the time, what, like,
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 3: Why is it different this year? And I'm like, well,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: I think part of it is he's just more comfortable.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 3: I don't want to put words in your mouth. I
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 3: think part of it is he's more comfortable. He's just
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: used to the routine and things like that. And I
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 3: think also part of it is, especially when we talk
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: about what we saw later in the season, I was like,
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: now you're healthy.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: Knock on wood. And I've answered those questions to people
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: when we're just casually having conversation. If you can.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: Describe for me the difference you feel just being in
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 3: a program for a second year, because there's a ton
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 3: of Cyclones that are great players, just like you were
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: a great player last year, but it is still their
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 3: first year. And maybe that full comfort of that full
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: integration hasn't happened yet.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah. I'd say probably leadership is the biggest part of that.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 5: Like coming into this program, I mean, we talk about
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 5: it like I'm not. set to be a leader just
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 5: because I play quarterback like I still had to earn
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 5: that respect last year and um and I wasn't a
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 5: captain last year but just again I got to kind
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 5: of see the the way people carried themselves as you
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 5: uh Lander and Spencer Jaron all those guys um so
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 5: yeah that was big for me to just kind of
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 5: notice that what leadership looks like at the next level
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 5: and um yeah I just feel like I've kind of
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 5: fully taken that this year where like I could just
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 5: tell the whole team I made it important to me
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 5: this offseason to make sure the whole team kind of
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 5: respects me as their leader and someone they can trust
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 5: when things are hard or when things are going good.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 7: I'm always going to be the same individual.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 5: Just that respect for my team that I was able
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 5: to gain this year, I think it just, again, allows
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 5: me to play confident in myself.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 7: Also, yeah, being healthy.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 5: Is probably definitely the biggest one. I'm able to do
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 5: what I do out there. There's no second-guessing. What I
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 5: can and cannot do.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: The respect thing.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 3: We saw in pro football, I don't know if you
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 3: saw Kayla Williams getting carted off for a hamstring strain
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 3: and rolling around and screaming on the ground. I was
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 3: making fun of that. Everyone in the NFL is making
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 3: fun of that. It's easy to make fun of when
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: you're an armchair quarterback, right? I feel a little more
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: entitled to make fun of people for not being tough
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: because I spent 12 years of my life getting beat
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 3: up for a living.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 3: That's neither here nor there. When it comes to football,
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: playing the quarterback position, right? How important is it for
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 3: you to, to be thought of as like tough, right?
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 3: If you're a linebacker, you gotta be tough. If you're
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 3: a fullback, you gotta be tough. If you're an offensive lineman,
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 3: you better be tough quarterbacks. You want to be known
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 3: as tough, but being skillful and a good decision maker
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 3: and having a great arm are all much more important
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 3: for you personally. How much do you want toughness to
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 3: be part of your reputation as a QB?
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 4: A lot.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you should just know.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 5: I want people to be able to tell whoever they're
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 5: talking to, yeah, my quarterback's going to do whatever it takes.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 5: Simple as that. You never know if he's hurt for real.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 5: You never know if he's having a bad day for real.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 5: He's always that guy. That's kind of the mentality I
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 5: always wanted as being the QB. I think it matters.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: I think it matters a lot, too. I think we learned.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 3: we didn't know until after the season was over, but
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 3: I think we learned that about you last year, that
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 3: he's going to show up.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: He's not going to complain.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: There's not going to be any excuses because you, you
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 3: hit a lot of bumps, bruises, injuries, right? You never
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 3: said a word about any of it, never complained about
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 3: any of it. And there's a way you could even
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 3: do that with your body language, right? Where like you
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: make it obvious that you're hurting when you get up
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: after being hit or something, you never really played up
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: that sort of thing.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: And so, I appreciate that about you.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 3: I also, when I see it from someone at the
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: very highest level, who's a Heisman trophy winner in college
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 3: and a first round draft pick and all these things,
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I wonder how that affects his teammates and
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 3: his locker room. We know that fans in a city
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 3: like Chicago are going to hate on you for it.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 3: If you don't redeem yourself with great play, but when
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 3: you see it at the very highest level, it's like,
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 3: doesn't that matter also to someone like that? Don't you
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 3: want people to know that you're not, you're not only
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 3: great and skilled, but you're tough.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: Like, Football matters. Toughness matters in football.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 5: I strive on toughness. That's part of the reason why
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 5: I'm here at Utah. That's our culture. That's what we preach.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 5: Hopefully he was that hurt where he really felt like
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 5: it needed to be what it was, the situation.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 7: But, yeah.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 3: I'm not worried about our guy. I'm not worried about
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 3: Devin Depp here being, being turned into a meme. Like
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 3: we saw on Twitter with the cart and the tears
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 3: and the thumbs up and all that stuff. Back to
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 3: more important things back to big 12 play. There's, you know,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 3: some of the results I won't say have been surprising,
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 3: but as we've looked around the conference, it's like, okay,
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 3: Houston and Texas tech played a great game last Friday.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 3: Both teams looked awesome. Texas tech ended up winning that game.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 3: BYU looked really good again. You guys looked really good again.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 3: Kansas State looks awesome. West Virginia all of a sudden
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 3: belongs in the conversation. I don't know how much you've
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 3: been able to watch of the rest of the conference.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 3: You had a day game, so maybe caught some night
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 3: action and things like that. But it seems like the
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 3: race is shaping up at least a little bit, and
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 3: maybe there's some surprises in there.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I honestly think our conference is getting pretty good.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 5: better like we're starting to we're starting to average out
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 5: and you know hopefully all of us are able to
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 5: show that like going into these weeks where we are
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 5: playing each other and stuff like that people are playing
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 5: at a high level just because like even at the
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 5: top 25 I think there's like 10 SEC in there
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 5: there's like eight big 12 four ACC and then like
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 5: four of us or something something like that I forgot
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 5: what what it was but I just think we're showing
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 5: that it should be a little bit more leveled out
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 5: where maybe you take two of those SEC teams out
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 5: and maybe one of those Big Tens, and you start
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 5: putting a couple of Big 12s in there just because
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 5: I think, honestly, our conference is playing at a high level.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 3: Three Big 12 teams in the top 15 right now, BYU,
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 3: Texas Tech, and Utah.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: Houston is in the top 25 at 25. West Virginia,
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma State. They're in that also getting votes category. Arizona's
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: some people cast a vote for Arizona, but they're a
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: little bit further back. So I think the conference is
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: getting a decent amount of respect. I just think that
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: everyone then gives even more to the sec and the
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: big 10, which is annoying, but it's something you're just.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 5: Going to have to deal with for a while, Sally.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: So day game, what, what was the rest of the
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 3: day like for you on Saturday? Obviously celebrating a big win.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: You iced it up, or did you get to go
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 3: hang out with the family? What did you do with
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: the rest of your day? Yeah, I always get dinner
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 3: with my family after games. This is some– I.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 5: Don't know why, but I love the environment of just
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 5: being with my family, going to get dinner and sit down.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 5: So we went to Capitol Grill last week, and, yeah,
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 5: it was great.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 7: Just good vibes. And then went home.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 5: We actually got to watch the– it was Ole Miss–
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 5: Ole Miss and LSU that night.
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: Ole Miss and LSU.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we got to watch that game, which was– that
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 5: was fun, entertaining. For me to be a fan with
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 5: my family, like be able to watch games together. But, yeah,
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 5: there's so many vibes after the game.
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 3: Last thing before we let you go, the schedule on
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 3: the road, like, Each head coach has their own routines, right?
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 3: And Morgan Scali strikes me as a guy who's going
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 3: to keep things more the same than try to change things.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 3: But do you know yet what the routine for the
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 3: road game is going to look like? I imagine it
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 3: was probably similar to what you guys did in the bowl.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess it would be similar to even what
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 5: we've been doing here. We'll probably leave earlier just so.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 5: what our day normally starts like on Friday feels the
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 5: same as what it starts like when we're out there
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 5: to give that same vibe of what time we eat dinner.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 7: Um, what's up?
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 5: Rather we watch a movie or not. Rather we, um,
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 5: just chill and hang out as a team. He probably
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 5: keep that all the same. Just so, you know, we
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 5: feel good about going into the game, feel normal.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: Uh, for my sake, I hope there's rain for Devin,
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: Dan Pierce sake. I hope it's a nice dry game.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 2: In, Iowa.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 3: When they take on the Iowa state cyclones at Jack
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 3: tri stadium, that'll be a one 30 mountain time kickoff.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 3: The game is on Fox and QB one Devin Dampier.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: We wish you luck. Stay healthy. Thanks again for giving
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 3: us some time. Maybe a little stuffy feel better. We
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 3: hope for that.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 4: I know. Yeah.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: Good thing.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 5: It's early in the week. It should be gone by weekend.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: We're recording this early in the week. So you should
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: be all right. Just a little vitamin C. Thanks for
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: being here, Dev. Thank you. That's dishing with Devin Dampier.
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  Speaker 3: But if you are a Utah football fan and you
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  Speaker 3: were a Utah football fan last year, you may remember
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  Speaker 3: a young man who goes by the name of the
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  Speaker 3: Kerry Rogers. Well, he's been trying to battle his way
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  Speaker 3: back onto a football roster here in the fall because.
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  Speaker 2: Utah would be the one that he's trying to get
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  Speaker 3: You would think so, but actually he's committed to West Virginia. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I do not like this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Screw that guy. No, that's That's unexpected. We heard this
• 2:15:16
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  Speaker 1: started to be put in place for these fifth-year guys
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  Speaker 1: who are not part of the.
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  Speaker 2: Five-for-five rule yet.
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  Speaker 1: We thought, okay, maybe that opens the door for Nakari
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: to come back, but apparently come back for the Mountaineers.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: Last year, you had 10 rushing touchdowns from Devin Dampier.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 3: You had 10 rushing touchdowns from Bert Ficklin. You had
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 3: six rushing touchdowns from way.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 2: Sean Parker. Guess which? You had 11 rushing touchdowns last year. Rogers.
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: He was the short yardage Rogers. The goal line was
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: his neighborhood.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 4: Nice. Nice. All right.
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: That's actually pretty good. Most, most of the time you
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: get a want wall. That one was, that's a, that's good.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: I liked that. It's a laugh about a quarter of
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: the time. Oh, so look.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 3: Again, it kind of sneaks under the radar a little
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 3: bit because like, you know, Arizona got their leading rusher
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 3: from last year and their leading tackler from last year back.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: Indiana is getting a couple of big time defensive players back.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 3: after winning battles in court, legal injunctions and such. But, uh, yeah,
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 3: this one, it's, uh, Stephen Daly and Kellen Wyatt are
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 3: now eligible to play for Indiana. A judge granted a
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 3: preliminary injunction in their case against the NCAA. There's dozens
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 3: of athletes still trying to fight this battle.
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: And Rogers, Dakari Rogers was one of them.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 3: And, uh, He is now committed to play for West Virginia.
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 3: Even if this gets tied up a little bit more
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 3: and if there's another court reversal, they've got until the
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 3: final game of the year to get him ready to
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 3: play against his old team, the University of Utah. And
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 3: this team already runs the ball incredibly well because they've
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 3: got the next Michael Vick, the next Pat White is
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 3: the right way to say that. You don't want to
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 3: call him Michael Vick. The next Pat White at West
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 3: Virginia right now.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: Rich Rod didn't coach Michael Vick anyway, so Pat White's
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: the one that's out.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: It's like he found Pat White Jr. And that's a problem, man.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 3: And this game, right, final game of the season where
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 3: we had it, and we're always wrong. when we pencil
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 3: things in and we have expectations. If it keeps trending
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 3: the way it's trending, West Virginia is going to be
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 3: as difficult to stop in the run game as anyone else.
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 3: And now they get a guy that we know up
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 3: close and personal is a quality running back, especially like
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 3: you said, in those short yardage situations, uh, He scored
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 3: 11 touchdowns for the Utes last year. He was under
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 3: four yards a carry, but they gave him timely carries.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 3: He was good at running through contact. Did not catch
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: the ball out of the backfield particularly well. Seeking his
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 3: fifth year, and he got it. Over the course of
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: his career, he had 357 carries for just about 1,600 yards,
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 3: four and a half yard average. 26 touchdowns so far
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 3: and whichever ones he can score now will be for the.
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 2: West Virginia mountaineers. I, I would have liked to see him.
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: Pardon me.
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 3: I would have liked to see him come back and
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 3: be part of this Utah football roster. I understand that
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 3: they already have a lot of depth in the running
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 3: back room and it's probably a difficult thing, especially when
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 3: you're a newly established head coach. to say, I made
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: a certain promises to Daniel Bray. I made certain promises
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 3: to Steven Chavez Soto. I made certain promises to bam.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 3: I made certain promises to way Sean Parker and then say, oh,
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 3: by the way, we're bringing in another horse in this race.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: I do believe there will be a time when Morgan
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 3: Scali gets to a point in his career where he's
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 3: just like, yeah, man, just deal with it.
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: It's competition.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 3: Maybe he's already there, but I think it, you know,
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 3: and maybe, maybe Roger, maybe the car didn't really like
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 3: it in Utah, but he was productive and he was
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 3: a good player. It sucks to see him go into
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 3: West Virginia. I think this is like quietly a big,
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 3: big move for the Mountaineers.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: It could be also, he came to Utah from New
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 1: Mexico with Devin, with Jason Beck. It could be as
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 1: simple as, Hey, the guy who recruited me, no one
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: in that building actually recruited me anymore. And maybe his
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: guys reached out to Michigan and they were good at
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: running back. And so they took the best offer besides that.
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: And maybe that's West Virginia.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 1: I wonder also, since we're hearing about this now, after
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 1: three games have been played, I wonder if he's also observed, hey,
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 1: they don't hand the ball off nearly as much under
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: Kevin McGiven as they did under Jason Beck last year.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 4: So.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe as much as.
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: I would like to reunite with Devin and come back
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: to Utah, maybe that's not the best place for me
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: as a running back this year. Maybe that's a reaction
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: to the first three games of the season, which is
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: not that fair because, for all we know, McGiven's conference
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: play is going to start.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 2: He's going to start being run heavy. Who knows? That
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: would be surprising. But, yeah, we'll see.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 3: Look, there's... Any number of reasons why Nakari Rogers could
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 3: have said, the grass is greener somewhere else. And you
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 3: have to allow for the fact that maybe this could
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 3: just be an NIL thing. Also, if he is watching
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 3: the teams and still being selective, if he's watching all
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 3: these different teams, maybe West Virginia was just like, dude,
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 3: we don't want to have to run our quarterback this much.
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 3: We need you more than Utah needs you. And if
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 3: that's the case, then Rich Rod and company would be like,
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 3: We're going to back up the coal truck for you.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, I want good things for the guy.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 3: I just don't want bad things to happen to Utah's
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 3: final game of the season because of it. But sneaky
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 3: major development in Big 12 play as West Virginia so
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 3: far has been kind of one of those surprising teams
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 3: that is overperforming the non-conference expectation and the off-season expectation.
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 3: One more segment to go here on the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 3: Is Spence around today? Will he be here, or is
• 2:22:09
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• 2:22:11
  Speaker 2: He's here. You never know.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's here. We have some remotes next week, I think,
• 2:22:16
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• 2:22:18
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 2:22:19
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  Speaker 2: Spence, how are you? Hey, Sean. There we go. I'm
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 2: a little tired today.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 11: I don't know anything about dentists and what they do,
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 11: how that works.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 11: So your boy got a little loose with a high
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 11: chew over the weekend. Popped a high chew, a little stale, boom.
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 11: Molar pops out.
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 2: Implant, right?
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 11: And I can feel with my tongue there's like a
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 11: little screw because it's an implant.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 4: Uh-huh.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 11: And luckily my dentist is a friend of mine, so
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 11: I just text him like, hey, can I come in
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 11: next week and you can just screw the thing back in?
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 11: He's like, that's not really how it works, but go ahead.
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 11: So rolling this morning, I'm expecting like a, 10, 20
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 11: minute situation, 90 minutes. Cause it's not a screw. It's
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 11: like a piece of the implant. So he had to
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 11: take that out. So a little numb.
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 2: There are very few things.
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 11: So the old question is, would you rather have a
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 11: root canal or move?
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: Would you rather move into a new home or an
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 2: apartment or would you rather have a root canal?
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 3: I guess I would, I'll take the move because there's
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 3: at least some fun. There's like a, there's a good
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 3: part of the move like oh you're at a new
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 3: place you like the new place you're excited about settling
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 3: in the moving part is abysmal it's awful yeah but
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 3: root canals i don't know if there's any good part
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 3: of a root canal no.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 11: There's zero good parts of a root canal uh but
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 11: moving such a pain in the ass yeah when you
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 11: talk for four hours in the afternoon spending 90 minutes
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 11: in a dental chair because i'm still a little numb
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 11: on the left side you.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 2: Can have a little drool on the youtube page potentially
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: today um can i tell you why i was up
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: late last night Did it have to do with your children?
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 4: Nope.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 3: But there was an unruly young creature that caused me
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 3: to stay up late.
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 2: An animal of some sort? It happened to be a bear.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: A bear? There was a bear in the avenues last night.
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 2: That's rather rare, correct?
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 2: Doesn't happen often. There was a bear in the avenues.
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 2: What kind? A young black bear.
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 3: Little tiny thing. I got an update, by the way,
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 3: on the text line. That was someone who was also
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 3: following the story. And apparently they have decided to relocate
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 3: after a health assessment, relocate this bear to natural bear
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 3: habitat in Utah County, placed in a culvert trap and
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 3: released into better habitat than, you know, the upper avenues.
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 2: How does one how does a bear find its way
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 2: to the Alps?
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 3: Well, I was told by the Department of Wildlife Resources
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 3: that there's a lot of cub abandonment happening right now
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 3: because it's been a very stressful summer for bears.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: We had a late frost.
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 3: The stone fruits, the berries, the acorns did not grow
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 3: like they're supposed to. So food sources in the high
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 3: country have been tough. And the mama bears are having
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 3: a hard time keeping their cubs going and feeding themselves.
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 3: So there's been some cub abandonment. Now, We had this, like,
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 3: latchkey bear in the avenues last night, and it was awesome.
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 2: I got to pet the bear. You actually were able
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 2: to pet the bear?
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Wow.
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I was supposed to.
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 3: I just kind of inserted myself into the operation of
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 3: the Department of Wildlife Resources.
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 2: But I did get to pet a wild bear.
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 11: I'm more surprised that bears are deadbeat parents these days.
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 11: I didn't know that.
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that. Can't feed you anymore, kid.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 3: It's honestly distressing to learn something like that when you're
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 3: just like, oh, mama bear, don't go anywhere near mama bear.
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 2: She'll rip your face off.
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 3: Or she'll just completely abdicate her responsibility and peace out
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 3: on the poor baby.
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: Or is it deadbeat dads? I mean, I think we
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: need to look into this.
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 3: I think that in the animal kingdom, like 90% of
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 3: the dads are deadbeats.
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 11: It sounds like a problem if cubs are going to
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 11: be wandering around Around the avenues. I've never seen a
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 11: bear up close. What was it like? Did they look scary?
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 11: Were there claws involved?
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 2: He was like 25 pounds. So you could have taken
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 2: him if you wanted.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 4: To.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: I wanted to take him home and make him my friend.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: He's like a cuddly little bear. Did you have your
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 2: dog around?
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: I wonder what that would.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 4: Have been like.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 11: Because your dog is a very friendly dog, but he's
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 11: very big and strong.
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: He was. Well, I'm glad it all worked out.
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 11: Yeah, there was a bear up at our mountain home
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 11: once upon a time, but just wandered in the backyard
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 11: and then just left.
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 2: Big boy. But yeah, I've never had the opportunity to
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: see a bear up close. Yeah, so follow the story
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 2: of the Avenues Bear.
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 3: Hopefully they put like a tracker on him so we
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 3: can know if he or she ends up having a
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 3: great life down in Utah County.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 2: They won't, but speaking of bears, you ever eat dinner naked?
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 2: Don't do this. You didn't talk about this?
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 3: I don't want to talk about this. It deserves to
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 3: be talked about. Okay, so this is from two weeks ago.
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 3: I watched the game live.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 2: So did I.
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 3: I was watching when RG3 told the story of the
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 3: Bachmeier family eating dinners together naked. And I was like,
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 3: there is something weird going on here. There must have
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 3: been some miscommunication that happened.
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 2: There's no way that's real.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 11: So we had a texter send in, because I didn't,
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 11: I watched the game live and did not hear it.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 2: I must have missed it.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 2: Maybe I was flipping around. I heard it, and it
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 2: freaked me out. So I saw, for some reason, it
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: blew up yesterday on the interwebs.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 11: And I saw it, and we were discussing it, and
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 11: we had a texter send in that the story Bear,
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 11: not Little Cub Bear, but Bear Bachmeier told, was he
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 11: was eating dinner with his shirt off one night, And
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 11: his dad is like, you're in bad shape.
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, told me he was fat.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and so the texter claimed RG3, who's kind of
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 11: a weird cat himself, took that and ran with it
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 11: and decided to create a viral moment that there are
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 11: four kids and two parents and they're just dining nude.
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 2: I can't, there's no way that's the case. There's no
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: way that's the case.
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 3: You've got all, like, college-age or older children, and they're
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 3: just sitting around naked together?
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 2: Three boys and one girl?
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and mom and dad. I mean, things start to
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 11: sag as you get older. No one wants to see that.
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 2: I'm the oldest of six, and I mean... Was this
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 2: something that happened in the Checketts' household?
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 11: No, I just was trying to draw a parallel between, like,
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 11: what would that be like?
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was.
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 3: There's got to be some, like, has anyone asked Bear
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 3: about it yet? Has there been a rebuttal?
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 11: Hank, his older brother, sent out, like, a funny tweet. Like,
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 11: there was a highlight of one of the throws that
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 11: Bear made. He's like, we were discussing this over dinner.
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 2: The other night. Nice, Hank.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 11: So I think he's having fun with it. But none
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 11: of it makes sense. Like, hey, how's your steak? Please
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 11: tuck that in. It's so weird.
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 2: I don't like it. I don't like it one bit.
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 2: But we need to get to the bottom of this.
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 11: Someone needs to ask Bear Bachmeier, do you guys really
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 11: dine nude as a family?
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 7: That's what I mean.
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 2: I need clarification. That's all I want. I just want
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 2: to know what's real.
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, so because we have become the champions of the
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 3: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints here on ESPN
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 3: 700 with the... We're both firmly anti-Bleep the Mormons chant.
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 7: Same page.
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 4: And.
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 3: A lot of people took this as an opportunity online
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 3: when this was starting to go viral.
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  Speaker 2: See, aren't the Mormons so weird? The Bachmeyers aren't. No,
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  Speaker 2: they're not. They might be weird, but they're not Mormon. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're not LDS. Which, if.
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  Speaker 3: You're a non-LDS family and you send all your kids
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  Speaker 3: to BYU, maybe you're just already eccentric.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I would like to be very clear about one thing.
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  Speaker 2: I dine nude often.
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  Speaker 4: Rose.
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  Speaker 2: I live alone.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: No one's still gross. No, no, it's actually, it's lovely.
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  Speaker 2: That's gross. You should try it. I'm not gonna, when
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 2: you're home alone, don't try with the kids. We get
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 2: in trouble.
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  Speaker 3: We've all seen that episode of Seinfeld. There's good nude
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  Speaker 3: and bad nude.
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  Speaker 2: My dude is good. Is bad nude. No, it's good nude,
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  Speaker 2: but I live alone.
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  Speaker 11: It's just me in all of my glory with a
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  Speaker 11: burrito flapping around. But if you're, if you're so, if
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 11: you're solo, it's fine. Or maybe you and your partner.
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  Speaker 11: Have you ever dined nude with a partner? I guarantee
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  Speaker 11: you have. I don't think I have.
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  Speaker 2: No, you have. I saw the look on your face.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I have. What's her name?
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  Speaker 3: What happens if you're eating a burrito?
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  Speaker 2: I have a napkin where I... What if melted cheese
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  Speaker 2: slips out of the burrito? Things are covered with napkins.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not risking burning the thing that can't be burned.
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  Speaker 2: Your burrito?
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  Speaker 7: My mouth.
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  Speaker 2: We're covered up. We're fine.
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  Speaker 11: We're fine. where it needs to be covered up, but
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 11: like get out of the shower. You're feeling good. Grab
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 11: a sandwich, get in your skin suit and watch a game.
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  Speaker 11: But the family dynamic is by far the strangest piece.
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  Speaker 3: Of this completely disconcerting. And I think untrue. I have
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  Speaker 3: to believe. Cause I look, I like watching bear Bachmeier
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  Speaker 3: play football.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He's an awesome player.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want that mental image to creep in anywhere
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 3: or anytime ever.
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  Speaker 11: It already there's no way there's no escaping at this point.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 11: What happens when grandma and grandpa come to the house?
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  Speaker 3: That's don't, I did see there was a thread, I
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 3: believe on Cougar board where somebody jumped on and was
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 3: just like, if, if you get invited to the Bachmeier's
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  Speaker 3: for dinner, are you accepting the invitation? And everyone was like, yes,
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  Speaker 3: with bells on a hundred percent, very on brand.
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  Speaker 11: Before I set you loose, um, I was listening to
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  Speaker 11: one of the Big 12 pods that I found to
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 11: kind of get a feel for what it's going to
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  Speaker 11: look like. Apparently, they're like Noah's Ark rain going on
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 11: in Ames. Like the rivers are overflowing. That's a grass stadium.
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 11: This could get a little hairy. I mean, initially when
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 11: the line went down, everyone's like, is Devin healthy? I
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 11: can report with no doubt that both Devin and Bert
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 11: are healthy.
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 2: He does have a cold. I think he'll be fine.
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 2: But it is.
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  Speaker 11: Raining and wet with a grass field. And Iowa State,
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 11: 17th in the country right now in yards per carry allowed.
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 11: That run defense is pretty good. Level of concern for
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  Speaker 11: this Saturday's game?
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  Speaker 2: Minor.
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  Speaker 3: I think Utah's a better team. I think that Iowa
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 3: State has a lot more deficiencies. Iowa State cannot throw
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  Speaker 3: the ball. And I know everyone's just like, oh my gosh, if...
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 3: If it's a wet game, you're not throwing the ball anyway. Well,
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 3: when you actually do the breakdown of play-calling splits in
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 3: rainy games versus in dry games, it's not a significant
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 3: variation from the norm. What does happen is maybe one
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 3: or two more deflected balls, one or two more balls
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 3: that slips out of your hands, more drops in rainy games.
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 3: It's not like the offensive coordinators stop throwing the football.
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: You can't.
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  Speaker 3: Otherwise, everyone just stacks the box and you play 1930s football.
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: If you have to do that, Utah should still win
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 3: that game.
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  Speaker 2: You don't like too many variables.
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  Speaker 3: I'm more concerned about it being their first road game
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 3: than I am concerned about it being rainy.
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 2: These guys know how to play in the rain. These
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 2: guys know how to coach in the rain.
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  Speaker 3: What I'm worried about is you do have a bunch
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 3: of new starters on this team, a bunch of new
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 3: full-time starters on this team, even if they're guys who
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 3: have played or been spot starters in the past, that
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 3: have to go about the rhythm of a road game
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 3: and they have to do it a little bit differently.
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 3: It is very comfortable at Rice Eccles stadium, right? Communication
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  Speaker 3: along a new offensive line in a loud stadium with
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 3: rain spattering on your helmet and a crowd of angry
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 3: Iowans is going to be a little bit more difficult.
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  Speaker 3: I'm more worried about that than I am about any
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 3: kind of weather.
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  Speaker 4: Iowans.
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  Speaker 2: Is that what we call them?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: My parents are both Iowans.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 11: You have experience in middle America that I simply do not.
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  Speaker 2: I have been to Iowa once. A hundred times. Have
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 2: you been to Ames? I've only been to Ames one time.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: It's not near Dubuque where my parents are from.
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  Speaker 11: I've heard a lot of people draw parallels between game
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 11: day vibes with Rice-Eckel Stadium and Jack Trice.
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 2: About the same size, right? Similar size.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it has the reputation as nearly as
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 3: intimidating of a nighttime environment, at least.
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 2: That grass you're talking about, by the way?
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 3: Was at one point named the nicest grass field in
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 3: all of college football.
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 2: They won that award.
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 3: It's like all the way back in 2016 or something.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 3: But still, something Iowans would be very proud of. They're
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 3: a very agricultural community.
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 2: And very kind people. The nicest people in our country
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 2: live in the Midwest. And Utah. Depends on the county.
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 4: Got him.
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 3: Watch out for bears out there, and honestly, if Spence
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 3: is going to keep talking about this Bachmeier dinner thing,
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I can endorse you listening to
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 3: the drive, so proceed with caution.
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  Speaker 2: We'll do the Sean O'Connell show again tomorrow on ESPN
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 2: 700 and 92.1 FM.