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Hypno 5 - Question's Roundtable · Kinkyboys Podcast

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Buck: Hello, and welcome to the show.
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This will be a little bit different as far as, , episodes go.
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So this is actually a round table that kind of sprang up, , on its own with a
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lot of the guys from the hypno community who were meeting at Darkland wanting to
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do a round table, and they went round and asked for questions to answer.
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Now, I offered to host the recording here, and I was very glad I did
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because when it came time to do the recording, my voice was shot from a
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throat infection, so I couldn't speak.
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So I'm not actually in this episode.
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, So I'd like to thank everyone who took part, , for making it happen, for getting
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the episodes together, for their input and all their wonderful, , contributions.
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I'd also like to especially thank David, Hairy Hypnotist, as my co-host
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for basically taking the lead and being the host for this episode.
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And of course, before we begin, I do have to thank our
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daddy's favorite level patrons.
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That's Time to Tinker, Frank and Nell, Adam NYC, Southern Suitor, Ocknerb, Banjo
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Stewie, Brian C, and Hairy Hypnotist.
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You are all daddy's favorites.
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So yes, without further ado, this is the Kinky Boys presents
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the Hypno Question Roundtable
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David: All right.
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Welcome everyone to this very special episode of the Kinky Boys Podcast.
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name is David or Hairy Hypnotist, and I'm joined by several other hypnosis
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experts, both subjects and hypnotists, to address some questions that we've received
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online from several different people who are curious about different aspects of
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hypnosis, how it works, how they can apply it to kink practises, and a lot more.
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So I'm gonna let the rest of the group introduce themselves.
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Mike: Okay, I'll be next then.
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Hi, I'm Mike.
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I'm a psychologist.
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I'm cl, I'm a clinical hypnosis practitioner.
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I write, I also educate.
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I have a background in Ericksonian therapy, emergency
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Therapeutic Interventions.
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also do community-based workshops.
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In hypnosis, I'm mostly interested in trends as connection, not as a mind
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control and also not as a performance.
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And yeah, I bring both clinical knowledge and lived community experience to this
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podcast with an open mind, and I hope the questions will be really interesting.
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Frank: I'll take the next.
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I'm Frank, I'm a subject and recently started to also try and hypnotise
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other people besides being a subject I've been into hypnosis for a long
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time, but really gotten to do that in practise as a subject for the
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last three, three and a half years.
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I'm really looking forward to discussing some of the questions because we
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had some really interesting ones.
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Coach Apollo: And my name is Coach Apollo.
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I am a hypno switch.
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I've been self hypnosis for many years but I've been in the hypno kink communities
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for the last about three years with my specialties being, pup and little bit
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of some of the other areas as well.
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And with that, I think what we can do is go ahead and get
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started with these questions.
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The first question that I have here is from Pup Fido who asks, is the
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state attained in hypnosis the same as that attained through meditation?
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And Mike, if you can get us started off with that one.
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Mike: Okay.
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Sure.
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I would say they are not the same state, but they are indeed related.
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Both hypnosis and meditation can involve indeed focus, attention
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reduce awareness of the outside world.
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Also changes in how the body sees and feels things.
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Even time distortion and relaxation.
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But the intention is often different since meditation usually trains awareness,
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noticing, observing, hypnosis uses focus, attention to respond, to suggestion,
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relax, change sensation, amplify.
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So, yeah.
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Not the same, but they're related.
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David: And I'm gonna continue on to with that, to say that even though they're
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not quite the same for many people, I think especially people who have
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very little experience with hypnosis, they're similar enough that in many
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respects you can treat them as the same.
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There's some details that are different.
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Coach Apollo: Thank you so much.
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We have another question from.
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Lewis 18 USA.
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How will I know when I'm deep in trance?
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Are there specific physical science I should look for?
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And let me start off with Frank for this one,
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Frank: That's really interesting and I must admit, I wonder
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about that myself as well.
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The first few times where I was hypnotised a life, I wondered a lot
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about how well the TRAs was, how it felt, and was I a good subject?
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Was I deep in intro, yes or no?
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And I learned through feedback from the hypnotist that I was.
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I just didn't recognise it in myself.
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And what I learned is not to treat it as a contest and not as a, as an exam to show
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certain signs or have certain experiences.
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And since I stopped focusing on reading into the signs, reading into my own
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reactions I feel I went much deeper.
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It is not so much a physical signs that I, I watch for, but I try
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to observe myself from the side and not analyse things as we go.
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Most of the signs I then discover afterwards, often after being
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brought back out of trance, I noticed that I sagged in my chair or fell
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down on the bed or been drooling.
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And the feedback of the hypnotist as well, of the science that I showed.
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So I would really say take the ride and enjoy it and discuss science afterwards.
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Okay.
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Coach Apollo: And I'll speak from the theist perspective.
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You know, something that I recommend is.
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Not just not doing any analysis during focus on, you know, your job during that
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trance is to to what the hypnotist is saying and follow their instructions.
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And just enjoy the ride while you're there.
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And then afterwards you can look back on it and see what you
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felt, see what you what happened.
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And you know, the hypnotist is going to guide you through
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hopefully doing some fun things.
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They're gonna show you that you're deep in that trance.
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And one other suggestion would be to bring these concerns to your hypnotist.
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They should be able to talk through them and even help show you that you're in
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that space, that you're in that place where you feel that trance and you
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feel that reality kind of taking over.
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So next we have from.
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Pop gunny.
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If, for those who only do audio files and want to transition to in-person sessions,
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how do you recommend helping them relax, especially with the difference between
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multi voice audio files and single voice?
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So
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think there's a little bit of a style preference.
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Obviously I can't do a multi voice audio file live or I can't
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speak multiple voices live.
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But I would recommend just enjoying the process of the live hypnotist where you
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can really focus in on a single voice,
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and just kind of let yourself.
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Let yourself ride that.
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There's, the multi voice files are really good for creating confusion,
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for creating you know, a different vibe, a different scenario.
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And the great thing about Single Voice is you can really just allow
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yourself to focus on every word and every little thing that's going on
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with the scene or the reality that's being created by the hypnotist.
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So just, you know, work on,
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talk to the hypnotist, build that rapport with them, let them build their
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rapport with you and then just enjoy being there, listening to their voice,
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listening to the words that come through.
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Yeah.
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David: And I wanna add into that as well, that just like a book and a movie are
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two different mediums for storytelling.
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And they each have their pros and cons, and you might prefer one to the other,
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but that doesn't mean that they are inherently superior one way or the other.
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I think that audio files for hypnosis and in-person sessions are similarly,
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two different mediums, and they each have pros and cons with an audio file.
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It can be.
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Very polished, very carefully mixed with multiple layers with multiple voices.
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There's a lot that you can do because it's all been prepared in
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advance, but because it's prepared in advance, it also doesn't have any
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ability to react to how the subject is doing and feeling and responding.
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An in-person hypnosis session has the upside that the hypnotist can see how
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things are going with the subject, can ask questions, can see what's working
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well for the subject, and focus in on that and notice what's working less well
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and maybe de-emphasize that as well.
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An in-person session can also involve touch and other modalities
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that are not really possible in a prerecorded audio file.
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So I would say rather than.
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Being disappointed that one modality doesn't have all the benefits of a
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different one, I would say try to lean into the benefits that each
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different format provides, and doing an in-person session can be very
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exciting, very sexy, very interactive in ways that just don't work quite
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as well for a rerecorded audio file.
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Mike: I agree with both David and Apollo.
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I would like to add one more thing.
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Just do not try to recreate the file.
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Enjoy as both Apollo and David have said.
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Coach Apollo: Fantastic.
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Thank you guys.
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So from our next question from Pup similar but a little different.
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My experience is centred around transformation, pup play and
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orgasm control using files.
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What differences in the experience should one expect when doing
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something live with those?
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and want to say real quick on this.
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I guess the difference is that you can do a lot more physical things with
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those for transformation or pup play.
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You can be turned into a pup and roughhouse with your hypnotist
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or whatever you want to do.
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I once did pup play hypnosis with two other pups in a play space and had them
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roam around and play with balls and all kinds of things where obviously that's
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not gonna happen with an audio file.
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And then orgasm control, same thing.
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You can do more physical things in a in that experience.
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But David, do you have some thoughts on this?
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David: Yeah, this is very similar to the point that I just made earlier.
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Different formats have different benefits and drawbacks, and I think that
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talking about the specific fetishes and curiosities that puff to that pup tofu
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asked about for transformation play.
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You can not just have a transformation in your mind, but you can, for
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example, have your voice change, have your physical movement change, have
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the way that you interact with your surroundings, change as part of your
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transformation in doing something live.
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If you're doing orgasm control, then you can integrate touch into the
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genitals and drawing the person who's being hypnotised towards an orgasm and
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then stopping them just before that point, backing off, releasing the touch
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and playing around with all of the sexy benefits that having an actual
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in-person interaction can provide.
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So.
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I think there's a lot of fun that you can do with doing things live.
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There's a lot of spontaneity, and that also means in a way that there's more
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opportunities for things to go wrong, because once again, a prerecorded session
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is very carefully mixed, edited, prepared to make sure that everything goes
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smoothly, and a live session is not that.
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So you have to be prepared for the possibility that things don't go quite
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the way that you want, but sometimes they go even better than you expect.
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Frank: I'd like to link up to that, what you say David, on the
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spontaneity of a live session you can mix things up, you can do things
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that the subject does not expect.
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And that is, that's generally what I like about the live sessions.
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I also really enjoy prerecorded files, especially for orgasm
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control or edging type sessions.
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And I have a few files that I listen regularly.
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And there, the fun thing is that you kind of know what is coming pun intended,
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and you can still try to last as long as possible when it comes to edging.
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And that is a very different experience.
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So it's really what you're looking for some things.
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Files that are prerecorded work really well because you can you know what to
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expect and you know that it's gonna be fun and it's easily accessible live sessions.
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The the spontaneity and the the interaction with another person
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obviously are a bonus point.
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Coach Apollo: Thank you for those.
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Our next question from Pup Gunny, why do some people fall into trance
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easily with text hypnosis while others struggle or can't do it at all?
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And I wanna start off with you, Mike.
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Mike: Okay.
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So Tech Henosis works for people who can turn words into inner sound that can,
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that have a very vivid Im imagination can see with their mind the voice.
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Some people read the sentence and almost hear it inside their body, so
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their imagination fill in the voice of the hypnotist, the tone, even the
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pauses, and that is what makes it work.
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Other people struggle because reading keeps them way too analytical, checking,
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grammar, interpreting, wondering if they're doing it all right, or putting
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too much pressure on themselves.
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For some text is to slow for others fast.
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Some need vocal tone, some need eye contact.
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We are all different, so, yeah.
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I instead, I would say for whom, in what state with the language
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and which expectation and what kind of imagination can it work?
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Because hypnotic responsiveness differs between people.
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David: Yeah.
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To add on to that, I would say that even though people don't always
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think of it this way, I like to describe going into trance as a skill.
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It's a skill that you can practise and get better at over time, the
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same as you can with any skill.
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And just like with all skills, there's a wide range of natural
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talent that applies to that.
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people are extremely talented at going into trance, and the first time that they
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try it, they go very deep, very quickly.
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Some people are less talented at that, and it takes longer.
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It's a more difficult process to switch their mindset that way, and unfortunately,
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there's not that much that you can do about natural variation and talent.
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That's just the fact that different people are different, everyone, whether they're
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talented or not, can improve at a skill by practising by intentionally learning
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what works for them and finding ways to refine their technique, to go into trance
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more deeply, more intensely, more quickly, generally getting better at this skill.
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Coach Apollo: And a final thought that I'd like to add on to this.
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Whenever from the submissive side, whenever I go under, I actually find that
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sometimes I do better with text hypnosis.
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And the reason is I feel less about responding immediately in the moment.
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And what's really interesting is if I'm mid text hypnosis and I look away
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for a minute to do something, you know, something pops up or whatever and I come
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back to it, I find that I go deeper.
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When I come back and I realise this is a form of fractionation you know,
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I switch my attention away from it.
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And then when I go back, I am going back under into that state because
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I know that in that chat session.
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I am in trance and it actually takes me deeper.
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So, is another form of the medium question.
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Every medium has its mechanisms, its positives, its negatives,
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and text hypnosis is just yet another one of those mediums.
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David: And for the people who are not familiar with that term, Apollo, can
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you explain what fractionation is?
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Coach Apollo: Ah, so fractionation is the, it's a deepener by which you
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take someone completely out of trance and then you take them all the way
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back down into trance over and over.
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And each time you take them into trance they actually go deeper every time.
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I'm sure Mike could tell you more about the, this study that was done about this.
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But it was studied.
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Over a period of time and they found that it could even be done
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immediately within every few seconds.
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Mike: Yes, indeed.
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It's also a technique to, relate also with one of the first
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questions, deepness of trends.
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More fractionation, you get deeper and deeper.
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It's, but yeah, you're, it's Apollo, your completely correct.
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Coach Apollo: All right, so our next question we had a couple
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people ask Mike and Zal about English is not their first language.
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And they asked if they can get around that.
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And if it's possible to go under for someone who.
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Is a hypnotist and a language that's not your first language.
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And I want to go ahead and start with Mike on that one.
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Mike: When I teach in my classes, I rarely speak about language
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because hypnosis is not grammar.
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It's not a grammar exam, it's not a language exam.
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When I teach hypnosis, I always speak about rhythm, attention trust.
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But yes, indeed, in a clinical environment, it can be different
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than in a erotic environment, the differences are not that big.
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You can induce strengths without knowing any word in in that language,
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only by listening to the rhythm of the voice, the way the breeding works.
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And imposing a bit of rhythm with hand gestures.
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no, you do not need perfect English in order to to get into a trance.
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In my private practise, sometimes I even use a second language that the client
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doesn't speak that well because it can help, it focuses their attention a bit
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more, and their analytical mind to, what is he saying instead of analysing, why
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am I saying how my grammar, the effects I'm trying to do the narrative behind
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my message, and so on and so forth.
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So, yeah.
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If if you trust the hypnotic language is not a barrier, even if you don't
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speak it fluently, if you don't speak it at all, but okay, if you don't
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speak it at all, you just go into a trans and then you don't have the
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suggestion and the play with it.
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Indeed.
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David: I'm gonna add as well that there's lots of documented evidence that when
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someone is learning another language and they're not yet feeling very confident
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in that language, sometimes getting them to drop their inhibitions a bit,
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for example, by getting a bit buzzed on alcohol or something like that, can make
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it easier for them to use the skills that they have, even when it's not perfect.
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And sometimes people end up surprising themselves with how well they can
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speak that other language once their inhibitions are dropped.
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it turns out that one particular technique that's very good at helping
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people to drop their inhibitions.
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hypnosis.
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I think that it's not going to give you the skills to speak a language when you
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don't have any of those skills at all.
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I do think that, like Mike mentioned earlier, hypnosis is not about grammar.
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It's not about word order.
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It's not about the careful study of a language.
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It's about intention and focus.
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And if you can communicate well enough to make your intention understood, even
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if you're not speaking perfect English or perfect, whatever language you want
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to do the hypnosis session in, fine.
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fact, being able to just go with the flow, follow the hypnotist, respond as well
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as you can, that's really all you need.
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So I think stressing over language choice is not necessary in a context like this.
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Mike: And there is also the other way around from a hypnotic point of view.
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So if you're the hypnotic and your English is not perfect,
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that's actually quite good.
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Also, your accent, your rhythm, the poses ericsonian work teaches us
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how to use what is already there.
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So if you pause to find a world a word.
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That pose can become trans, it can become expectation.
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It can, if you repeat the phrase, because you are simplifying that
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repetition is becoming great.
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So the goal is not to sound native or to have a perfect English.
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The goal is to have a rhythm and be con a congruent with your inner thoughts and
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your intention, exactly as David said.
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Coach Apollo: Fantastic.
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And the next question actually builds on this subject from
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Romaine Lat. Are there fun things that this difference in languages
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enables that that we've tried to.
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Successfully.
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An example being suggesting that a subject can no longer speak their
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native language and watching them translate, translate mid trance.
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David.
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David: Yeah, so even though a lot of media and content that you find on the
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internet around hypnosis and kink and hypno kink in English, that doesn't mean
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that English is the only language that you can do hypnosis in very much the opposite.
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As long as you can relax, focus, and communicate well enough to get your point
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across, then you can do hypnosis as well.
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when it comes to working with people who are fluent in multiple
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languages, there's a lot of fun ideas that you can play around with.
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For example, having someone change their personality a bit when they
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change which language they use.
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Maybe having someone be very serious and gruff when you speak to them in
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one language, but then as soon as you switch to a different language,
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they get all giggly and lighthearted and they can't stop laughing.
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That could be a fun way of showing just how deeply that hypnotic control can run.
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also ways that you can play around with making someone temporarily
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unable to speak a language.
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As we talked about, watching them translate in mid trance and seeing
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them struggle and then giving them the ability back to speak in their language
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and watching that relief come in.
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are things that you can do around how maybe one language that they speak puts
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them in a very horny mindset or makes them physically behave differently, whereas
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another language can cause other changes.
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I think generally treating a language shift as a mental shift can be
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a very fun way of exploring this idea, or to add onto that concept.
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Using one language to be the context of we are doing hypnosis now.
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We're playing around in a kinky way now.
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another language to be the context of we're going to take a pause and
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check in and see how you're doing.
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And that way you can even have one language, be the voice of the subconscious
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mind and the other language, be the voice of the conscious mind to be able
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to dynamically flip back and forth.
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Now, that might be confusing for the person being hypnotised, but you
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can also use that confusion to your advantage and for other fun things
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that you might do in the trance.
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Coach Apollo: So for our next question we have a couple from anonymous.
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How does one look for a hypnotist for a face-to-face hypnosis session?
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And let's start out with Frank.
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Frank: I think a lot of subjects struggle with this because it is
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in most king and fetish spaces.
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There's always more subjects than there's dominance.
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There's more hypnotist than there's hypnotists of finding
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one can be challenging.
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The way I approach this, and I've met a few hypnotists through online
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media, is find them on social media.
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There's quite a few, if you look for them, on Blue Sky, on Mastodon, there's whole
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servers, a dedicated to this as well.
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There's Discord servers where there's loads of subjects and and
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hypnotists, and there you might find a partner to to play with.
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What I find, though is that and we'll get to talk about this later
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with another question you need to watch some red and green flags.
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And not everybody who's on those media obviously is a suitable partner, but I
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would say reach out online to hypnotist that you follow, maybe on Blue Sky.
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Send them a direct message and try to connect them in that way.
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Then for a face-to-face session it depends a bit what you mean.
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Generally if people feel connected to you, if they're willing to play a video
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session, maybe a good way to start.
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And then potentially if you are in in proximity to each other and can
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actually see each other live, you could arrange a face-to-face meeting.
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So far this has worked well for me.
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Apollo, you and I actually met in a way like like this starting to chat first
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follow each other on social media, do a video session, and and this earlier
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this year at darklands, we we met live for the first time and it works well.
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It does require you to invest a bit of time but it's worth it.
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So short answer check out social media and connect with others online.
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Coach Apollo: Perfect.
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Another question here.
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I've been interested in hypno kink for ages, but never know to get started.
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I'm also in a long-term relationship, so hypno would be a new kink to add.
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What advice would you give to someone starting out and how to share a
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new kink with an existing partner?
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Let's start with Frank on that too.
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Frank: So this basically was me a few years back.
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I've been low key, interested in in hypno King and been doing online
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videos and files for a while.
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I hadn't really discussed it with with my husband.
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And then I met David a few years back and all of a sudden realised that I
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actually have have someone in my in my surrounding that knows how to do this.
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So that led to me having lots of discussions with my husband
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about the interest, about wanting to explore this with David.
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And that generally is the advice I would give if you discover
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a new king or a new fetish.
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Discuss it with your partner.
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Discuss what interests are you, why you find it exciting, if you want to do it
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together with your partner, or if you want to explore it for yourself, if
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your partner is interested, and discuss how you might integrate this into your
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kink life or into your general life.
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And if your partner is not interested, then discuss if it's okay for you
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to explore this with with others.
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But I think in general it takes a lot of discussions being open with your
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partner about your interests, about what attracts you and what you would
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like to do and take it from there.
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David, do you have anything to add?
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David: Yeah, I think I would echo the fact that communicating is really important in
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any relationship, and when you want to get into a kink like hypnosis, which a lot of
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people have a lot of misconceptions about seeing it along the lines as mind control.
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That can be very intimidating for people.
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That can be very scary for the partner of the person who's
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interested in hypno kink wondering.
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But what happens if this other hypnotist takes my partner away from me?
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can be a legitimate fear for some people, even though I
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don't think it's a real fear.
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I don't think it's a fear of something that is likely to actually happen,
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but I do think that the emotion is totally valid, especially because
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of the ways that hypnosis is per are portrayed in our society.
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So being able to be open and honest about what you feel and
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to communicate proactively with your partner is really important.
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And if you're really lucky.
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Maybe you'll find that your partner is interested in the same thing, whether
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or not they have the knowledge or the skills for how to explore this with you.
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you have a pair of people who both have interest in exploring hypnosis
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together, that can be a lot of fun because you already have this
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pairing of a subject and a hypnotist together, and you can learn together.
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I do think that whether you're working with someone within your relationship
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or whether you're seeking a hypnotist or a subject outside of your relationship,
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I do think that if you're getting started, is very important, again, for
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just about any kink, but for a kink like hypnosis, that is so mental, that is so.
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to visualise, hard to see in, for example, a porn context and
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is much more about how you feel, how you interact with each other.
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It can be hard to get a grip on what it is and how to do it properly.
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So I think seeking out resources that can explain things, that can answer
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questions, that can demonstrate and explain those demos, I think that is
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a very good way of getting started.
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And I will point out, if you are listening to this podcast
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episode, then you are already on that path of educating yourself.
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So congratulations.
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Well done.
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Coach Apollo: Thank you for that.
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Our next question, how can I learn to practise hypnosis to play with my husband?
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Let's start with Mike for this one.
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I.
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Mike: Well, as David said, education and it's very important with hypnosis.
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And I would say the, just start small three things before fancy
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introduction, like consent, structure
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and there are a lot of materials out there for beginners.
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There is a book I could recommend called Trends Together.
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And yeah, just start small with body relaxing with breathing focusing.
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Don't start with a lot, with the big scripts out there.
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Just experience talk.
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Feedback is also very important.
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Discuss what work, discuss what didn't work.
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hypnosis, there is no fail.
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There is only feedback.
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So than you discuss more that you understand how the principle works,
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how your body works, how your mind works will help you to develop
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both being a hypnosis or being a subject or switching between them.
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And I would say do not start with trauma work or force amnesia,
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permanent triggers, humiliation.
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Just start with small things with trust and build from there, read
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research and continue if you like it and if it's something that you enjoy.
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Coach Apollo: One of the books that I recommend that has all the
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basics about erotic hypnosis from inductions and how hypnosis works all
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the way through Kinky Things to play with is mind Play by Mark Wiseman.
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it's the first hypnosis book that I read and I recommend it.
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To anyone who's starting out, because it's a great base for
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learning how to do hypnosis and how to tie it in with kinky contexts.
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David: Another resource I wanna drop in.
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It's a website.
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It's learn hypno kink.com,
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Which is made by and for people in the erotic hypnosis community,
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both for subjects, learning how to be a better subject and hypnotist
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learning how to be a better hypnotist.
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And it starts right from the beginning, assuming that you know nothing at all.
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So yeah, learn hypno kink.com.
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I didn't make it.
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I just think it's great.
36:44
Coach Apollo: The next question, is there a way to practise
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hypnosis without dominance?
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Meaning the hypnotist guides and manages the session, but doesn't
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create a master sub bond afterwards?
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Let's start with Frank.
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Frank: Oh, definitely, yes.
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I would say that the sky's the limit of what whatever your brain can do,
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you can do during hypnosis sessions.
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It's not about dominance and submission.
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Granted, the hypnotist does take.
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Control of the session and does guide it as the person asking the question says.
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But there's lots of fun things you can do.
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You can change someone's sensation that they become more sensitive to touch or
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they become less sensitive to touch.
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We've already talked a few times about becoming a superhero or pop play
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or changing your persona, changing the way you respond to things.
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There's lots of fun things you can do that does not require
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a master stop bond afterwards.
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So it's really go with your imagination and try it out.
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Coach Apollo: And to add on to that, just think about the fact that
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hypnosis is used in non kinky context.
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It's used for therapy, it's used in stage shows.
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In those contexts, the subjects aren't submissives.
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And so hypnosis is very flexible, and you don't have to create
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that master submissive bond.
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fact, my my entry into the hypno kink community officially was
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made with a file called Alpha Jock Transformation, and that file.
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Is not the person going under becoming a submissive for me.
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In fact, it's the opposite.
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That file is intended to create effects of confidence and you
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know, alpha dominant feelings.
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And so I pride myself in the fact that I work with a lot of kinksters who
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want to explore that dominant side of themselves, that alpha side of themselves
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and kind of grow and expand that.
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And even some who are normally submissive who come to me and say, I
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want to see what that side of myself feels like and what it looks like.
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Frank: And maybe I can add a bit.
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Still Apollo for people that do want to create a master subtype
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bond, you can be creative.
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The master doesn't need to be the hypnotist subject or the submissive can
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very well be the hypnotist himself and create a dominant that he likes to have.
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Mike: From a clinical perspective, I would say that hypnosis is
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just the tool and how you use it.
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up to the hypnosis and client.
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it's the same.
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It's, you can use it in, into a humiliation way or into a different way.
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It's just a tool and the intent behind it is what it's important.
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Coach Apollo: All right, so let's move on to a question from Pup Gunny.
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What are some of your red and green flags when seeking out a 'tist or sub?
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And to add on to that, there's a another question as well.
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It's a vulnerable connection.
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Hypno is a vulnerable connection.
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How do you maintain boundaries as a sub to make sure emotions are protected and
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lines aren't crossed, hurting either side?
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Let's start with Frank.
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Frank: Yeah, so linking up to what I said earlier and finding a
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hypnotist, you need to spend some time in getting to know the hypnotist.
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It's indeed you need to have trust.
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You are letting someone else play with your mind.
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If you are subject or if you are a hypnotist, finding looking for
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a sub, you need someone that you feel comfortable to play with.
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So in finding someone, I would say it's important that the other person
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shows a true interest, is willing to invest time in getting to know you is
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not rushing through things or trying to be too transactional, if you will.
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Subjects and hypnotists, they're not trans vending machines.
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It's about building a connection and doing fun things with each other.
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So to me, red flags are really and I've had people approach me online that want
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to go right away in arranging a a session.
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So people that, that are too aggressively trying to arrange a session with you
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both from a test side or for a subject side, I would definitely be cautious
41:48
with with that people that want to start something exclusively between
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the two of you that I feel is also a bit of a red flag, but generally people
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that seem not really wanting to get to know you, what you're su, what you're
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seeking, what what your likes are.
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That is definitely.
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A red flag, and especially since as the the second question poses, it's a
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vulnerable connection and you need to make clear what your boundaries are.
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Establishing that trust through multiple messages, maybe having a just
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a normal conversation or a video call before actually going into a session.
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I think that's really good from both sides.
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Expectations need to be clear.
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Boundaries need to be clear.
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Mike: To watch
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Frank: so that is, that's really where I would like to to leave it, but maybe
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someone else can can add to this.
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Mike: too much.
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Always negotiate, always negotiate awake and play in trance.
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And confirm afterwards.
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Do not throw yourself head first, even if you wanted to.
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Do you really want it?
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Never.
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Chum head firstt.
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Coach Apollo: And I would
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David: add,
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Coach Apollo: go ahead.
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I would also say that, you know, the.
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The flags are similar to a lot of other kink, right?
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You have your scene negotiation, you have your consent making sure that the
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hypnotist is going through and following those things and that, you know, they're
43:27
making sure you're aware of the risk.
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Everyone's aware of the risk going into it.
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If you have a hypnotist who, goes into who you meet for the first time, and
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they want to go straight to trance little bit yellow flag there if the trance
43:45
is anything more than just an initial induction as if they start giving you
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suggestions and they haven't discussed them with you then that's a red flag.
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always be discussed beforehand.
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and then David, go ahead.
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David: I will add that being inexperienced is not a red flag.
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I think it's clear that everyone needs to start somewhere.
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And whether you are an inexperienced hypnotist trying this for the first time
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or one of your first few times, or whether you are an inexperienced subject who
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still doesn't quite know what he wants, doesn't know what hypnosis can do, but
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wants to give it a shot give it a shot.
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of those are totally valid.
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But what is a red flag is charging in a head inexperienced and not
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providing that context to your partner to pretend that you know exactly what
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you're doing when you clearly don't.
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That is certainly a concern, and that can happen with people who
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believe that dominance means being loud and in control all of the time.
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And that's not what dominance is in my opinion.
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It's fine to be inexperienced, but you should be very open with the person
45:10
that you're playing with to let them know, Hey, this is relatively new to me.
45:15
Let's take this slow.
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And if they're willing and able to do that, I think that is a huge
45:21
green flag to say that they're willing to communicate even about
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something that is difficult for them.
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Frank: Maybe this is a good time also to bring up that as a sub.
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Object.
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You're generally not fully surrendered to a hypnotist.
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There's still something called subject agency.
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You don't need to follow all the suggestions a hypnotist gives you.
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You are still in control yourself.
45:50
If the hypnotist suggests you to do something that you really
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don't want to your brain will stop following the orders, if you will.
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So there's mechanisms in which you protect yourself from overstepping
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boundaries that you might have.
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But as David said, it is important to discuss upfront what those boundaries
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are and not add into to it too quickly.
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Coach Apollo: Great answers on those, so our next call.
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is from Pop Gunny as well.
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What are some misconceptions about hypno you find harmful to the community?
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And, go ahead, David.
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David: Yeah, so a couple of different layers here.
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One layer that a lot of people initially think about hypnosis, one misconception
46:54
that they have is that H hypnosis is mind control, that when they're
46:58
hypnotised, they will be forced to do things against their will, or that they
47:04
will have no agency whatsoever during the session that they will be just a
47:09
puppet to the will of the hypnotist.
47:12
And the reality is this is not true.
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you're doing hypnosis with someone, you as the subject still need to be engaged.
47:20
You still need to be an active participant in what's going on.
47:25
And while you may like the idea of being totally mind controlled, that's
47:31
not the way it actually happens.
47:33
you actually experience is more like.
47:37
A nudge in your mind when the hypnotist uses a hypnotic suggestion or a
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trigger on you, you feel a certain impulse that you can choose to
47:47
follow or you can choose to suppress.
47:50
And that is very different from this idea of being totally mind controlled
47:55
that a lot of kinksters have, and it can be disappointing when you realise that
47:59
it's not actually what you expected.
48:02
also be a relief sometime to realise that you don't have to dive into this kink
48:07
a hundred percent from the beginning.
48:09
You can, and in fact, should take it slow because this is not mind control.
48:15
Hypnosis is a lot more subtle than that.
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However, the next step, the next misconception a lot of people say
48:23
that hypnosis can't make you do anything that you don't want to do.
48:27
this is mostly true, but there's a very large asterisk that is important to
48:33
keep in mind and to think about, is.
48:37
Hypnosis can't make you do anything that you don't want to do.
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But people experience internal conflicts all the time on some
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level they want to do something, but on another level they don't.
48:52
For a simple example, maybe someone is trying to lose weight and they go
48:56
on a diet and they see some sort of delicious looking ice cream cone, and
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on some level, they want to eat the ice cream cone because it's delicious.
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And on another level, they don't want to eat the ice cream cone because
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they're trying to stay on a diet.
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that internal conflict is something that can be pushed in a certain direction by
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the hypnotist encourage the subject to choose one or the other of those options
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when there's that internal conflict.
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And when you're talking about eating an ice cream cone, that can
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be pretty mild, pretty harmless.
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Of an idea to think about.
49:34
But what happens if you're dealing with a hypnosis subject who has agreed with
49:39
his primary partner that he's not going to engage in certain sexual activities
49:44
with others even though he wants to engage in sexual activities with others.
49:51
But he's made a commitment to his partner, no, I'm not going to do this because
49:56
that would make my partner uncomfortable, and that's not a good thing to do.
50:02
So once again, that is an internal conflict where on one level the
50:06
person wants to do the sexual thing on another level, the person does
50:11
not want to do the sexual thing.
50:13
They want to honour the agreement that they made with their partner.
50:17
once again, this is a situation where a hypnotist can push things
50:22
in one direction or another.
50:23
It is not something that is impossible to resist, but that internal
50:28
conflict certainly makes it harder.
50:31
For someone to keep to their agreements.
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it's important to consider how hypnosis can influence people ways that are fun
50:41
and lighthearted and positive, and also in ways that are a little bit more nefarious.
50:48
Although I also wanna point out that there are some people in the Hypno
50:52
King community that are very excited about the idea of the evil hypnotist
50:57
trope, the idea of being manipulated in a nefarious way is exciting to them.
51:04
have those conversations and as long as everything goes in a way
51:08
that is consensual, that is agreed upon, sure have your nefarious
51:13
fun if that's what you want.
51:15
But yeah, think about these things before they come up in a way that
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is harmful to you and others.
51:29
Coach Apollo: Thank you for that David.
51:32
So for our next question, we have a multi-part here from watcher 0 9 9.
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The first part I think we partially addressed earlier about, he talks
51:49
about how the excessive use of dominant derisive language, pulls
51:54
him out or feels like trauma triggers whenever he's doing hypnosis.
52:00
And asks about ways to brace against those.
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I'm gonna about part two real quick before we get to that.
52:07
Part two is that ed and anxiety are also still there whenever
52:15
going under,
52:18
that a file asks for unrealistic expectations get hard now or
52:24
something like that, it doesn't, it, it breaks the experience.
52:30
So, given both of these parts, his question is, given both of these
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parts, what ways are there to help?
52:43
Deal with these issues especially for someone who has to use audio files because
52:48
they can't get access to live sessions.
52:52
Let's start with Frank.
52:54
Frank: Yeah, so this is a question with many layers, as you point out
52:59
the Apollo, I would generally say, and that if you're looking for files
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what I tend to do is listen through the file without really going into
53:13
the transfer, without going into the experience, but just listen to it.
53:17
What is said what is the vibe, what is the things that that the file asks you
53:21
to do, just to judge if this is okay.
53:25
Sometimes a description of a file doesn't really cover it.
53:29
So that would be one of the advices to find the files that, that you feel
53:34
comfortable with, that do not use language, that you're not comfortable
53:38
with, that don't put expectations on you that you don't think you can.
53:43
You can live up to, and potentially that is started with files that are
53:49
less sexual or maybe outside of the range where you feel there's that
53:55
you have more anxiety and try and do other things with listening to files.
54:02
And if you can do things with a hypnotist live, then again, and
54:07
we've said it a few times, this is things that you should address in
54:12
the pre-talk, which I hypnotist.
54:14
Explain what you're sensitive for, explain what is language that may press
54:20
on old trauma or experience that you had.
54:24
So that's really what I would say.
54:26
Try and prepare, trying to look for content that you feel comfortable with.
54:32
And there's lots of content on the hypno files out there that are not
54:37
sexual, that are not dumps up focused.
54:40
So I would give those a try.
54:46
Mike, do you have anything to add on this?
54:49
Because it's, it seems.
54:50
Mike: Yeah.
54:51
This is a very complex question and yeah, as a therapist it's a lot to discuss.
54:59
So I would first Yeah.
55:02
Start saying that this is one of the places where erotic hypnosis has to become
55:08
more intelligent and not more forceful.
55:12
I also wouldn't frame that the subject fail to respond.
55:16
I, I think it's more that the suggestion are badly matched for for his type.
55:22
So the approach should be to find some audio files or hypnotic
55:28
that can make them for you.
55:30
That has a different approach of instead of saying get hard, and would
55:35
go, you do not have to become hard.
55:37
You give a more permission permissive language.
55:42
The kind of language that gives the body more permission instead of pressure
55:47
that which keeps the person inside the experience instead of pushing pushing
55:52
you outside to ev evaluate whether you're performing correctly or not for.
56:00
I would build hypnosis around sensation more around permission, not demand,
56:06
around safety, not around testing.
56:10
I think this is much more useful and often it can also be much more erotic.
56:18
In the same time, I would also be careful with generic files, because
56:23
generic files assume a body that responds instantly predictably.
56:30
That can be hard for some, but painful for other.
56:33
And yeah, I would say that it is not always just psychological
56:38
anxiety in place, such a big role.
56:41
But yeah, so medication, hormones, health, alcohol, and so on and so forth.
56:47
In, In Hypno King, the most helpful move is often to stop commanding
56:53
and start inviting the body to, to get back into the pleasure.
56:58
And I also don't like the word brace.
57:02
I find bracing sounds like a prepared to be hit or preparing to
57:07
be hit for this kind of situation.
57:09
I would rather think in terms of building some safety anchors.
57:14
If certain words or expectation throw you out of a trance, that is not a failure,
57:20
that is your nervous system doing its job.
57:23
The goal is not to force yourself to tolerate a language
57:27
that feels harmful for you.
57:29
The goal should be to design a hypnosis that works with your
57:33
mind instead of of against it.
57:39
Yeah.
57:40
The, and yeah, that's a discussion with a hypnotic or it's very hard
57:46
to find an audio file that works exactly for you that takes about
57:50
everything that, that you write here.
57:54
That's why I'm saying maybe find someone who can do a file for you or build
58:01
your, also met people who build their own scenarios and they ask someone to,
58:08
to talk in a voice or in a slow rhythm.
58:16
Yeah.
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Coach Apollo: Thank you, Mike, and yeah to actually add on to that.
58:23
What actually got me creating files in the first place was that I was into
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listening to the jock type files, but I didn't want dumbing down suggestions.
58:34
And nearly every Jock file has dumbing down suggestions in it.
58:39
So I actually created my own file to listen to that had the right flow, and
58:47
the right suggestions that I wanted.
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Now I guess what this all comes down to is vet your files.
58:54
Like you vet your hypnotists.
58:55
There are tonnes of files and tonnes of tests with different
59:00
styles that you can go and find you know, follow them on social media.
59:05
I have some files out there and I also frequently recommend.
59:10
other tests who I know have good files as well.
59:13
Hip, hip, hooray, and others you know, vet your files and just go for what you like.
59:21
Don't listen to files just because you wanna get there when it doesn't
59:25
have the suggestions that you enjoy.
59:28
Because if you're not enjoying kink, then why are you doing it?
59:31
There are ways to, to enjoy it.
59:34
And the last thing, of course, if you're not finding the exact things
59:38
and you really want a customised experience, reach out to one of these
59:41
tests who you like their voice or their general style, and ask them for
59:46
if you can do a commissioned file.
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I'm sure that they'll be more than happy to talk through that possibility with you.
59:58
So moving on to the next question from Bluejack.
1:00:03
Is there extra difficulty when your sub wears a hood and he is talking
1:00:09
about a pup hood, or does that assist?
1:00:14
let's start with Mike.
1:00:16
Mike: as a critical hypnosis, I would say both.
1:00:19
A hood can indeed assist because it reduces visual distraction.
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It supports roleplay and can make the subject feel protected,
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pop deeply inside the scene.
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For public transformation, a hood can indeed be psychologically powerful.
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But on the other hand, it also removes information from the hypnotist.
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I cannot read the face as easily.
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I miss very small cues, which I always look for if I have a hood in front of me.
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So if a hood is used, the safety structure must be a bit stronger for me.
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The clear breathing no overheating, nonverbal, safe signals and
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a bit more regular check-ins.
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Yeah.
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For a hypnosis session with someone new, I would usually avoid a full
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hood unless I know the person and I already worked with them.
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The hood should support the trans not hide distress.
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This is my my opinion about.
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Coach Apollo: Exactly.
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If you think about a pup hood, it covers up the whole face except
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for the area right around the eyes.
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So if you're a hypnotist and you're working with a subject, you know, we're
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taking in those micro expressions in order to try to gauge where you are in
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that state and take you deeper and see if the suggestions are having an effect
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that it limits our ability to be able to.
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Assess where you are.
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Now of course if I can see your whole body, that helps you know, I
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can watch your breathing, watch your chest see if there are any movements
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in your hands, anything like that.
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But I do generally watch the face a lot more and that limits
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me to just watching the eyes for micro expressions in the eyes.
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When I first started out doing hypnosis, one of my favourite signals to see if
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someone was going, was actually under was their jaw would actually loosen.
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And the reason this signal was a big indicator for me is someone who's
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consciously trying to relax their jaw a lot of times will still keep it closed
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and a little bit clinched and tightened.
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Someone who actually goes under and,
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finds that actual trance.
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And fully release releases their jaw.
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You'll see that, you'll see the muscle in that area release, and
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that's a wonderful classic sign.
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Now, under a hood, I can't see that, so I just have to rely on their eyes
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and their body and what's happening.
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So for our final question from Pup Vex.
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Pup Vex says he's into CBT play sometimes with gradual intensity, other times
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with harder strikes, however, their body's natural reflexes still kick in.
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He says his legs tend to proactively block access when possible,
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even during softer contact.
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Can hypnosis be used to suppress those?
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Protective reflexes to allow for more consistent physical play.
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And let's start with Frank.
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Frank: I think so, but I'll have Mike and David potentially answer that I
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would take this a slightly different way.
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If Pex is into Coke and Ball torture he could use Hypno King
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to experience that torture without actually the physical touch.
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So without someone beating their balls, you could have the hypnotist put in
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suggestions that with a finger snap, he would feel that sensation it's,
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that could be a really interesting thing to explore in that way.
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You might experience the sensations without the physical touch and without
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the reflexes kicking in, because it would be instant in a finger snap, you
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would start see a hand or a foot coming.
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So that is what I would try.
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Then potentially the body adjusts a bit of not going into a reflex because it
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doesn't know where it's where it's coming.
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And it could be a fun play to do cock and ball torture over
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video or potentially over text.
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If pub text is is open to to text hypnosis or susceptible to text hypnosis.
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But David and Mike, do you have any experience with
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influencing reflexes in subjects.
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David: So I would say that are different kinds of reflexes.
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There is a physical reflex in your body, such as when at the doctor's office, maybe
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they strike your knee with a little rubber hammer and your leg moves automatically.
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That is a physical reflex.
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then there are mental reflexes, which is what Vex is talking about here.
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The idea of, I have adopted this stimulus response combination.
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The stimulus being I see someone reaching for my balls, and the
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response being I try to block.
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I don't think physical reflexes can be.
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By hypnosis.
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But I do think that mental ones can, because that's what a trigger
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is a stimulus response combination.
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And if a trigger can be learned, it can also be unlearned.
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It's harder, but it can be done.
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And maybe the best way to do so is rather than trying to simply unlearn, it would
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be to redirect that in a different way, such as perhaps if Vex sees someone
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reaching for his balls as if to hit them.
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the previous response was to try to block, maybe a hypnotist could try to
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establish a new redirected response where instead Vex will show his balls
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more prominently with pride, that someone is going for them pride, that he
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wants to show off how much he can take.
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So that's one idea.
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Mike, I'm wondering if you have ideas.
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Mike: Yeah.
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Here I want to be very clearly that I. I would not use hypnosis
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to remove protective reflexes.
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Reflexes exists because the body is trying to protect vulnerable tissue.
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What hypnosis can help with though, is aner tension.
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It can help you breathe and prepare.
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you could use hypnosis to create imagined sensations, as frank said, sensation,
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which also prepare you for the real play.
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But removing the protective reflex, I would not, I would
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work with positioning gradual intensity, safe signals distraction.
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And this is my, I, how I would build my approach over it.
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Coach Apollo: All right, on that bombshell, any other questions
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from anyone, resources or ideas?
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David: Not so much a question, but I am gonna call out that for people
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who are interested in hypnosis.
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Especially gay erotic hypnosis.
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I run a Mastodon server where the URL is hypno guys.com and I would love to
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get more people active on this server, meeting each other, virtually providing
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write-ups about what they've done with hypnosis and ideas about things to try.
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So if you're looking for online communities and you're not happy
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with what's been out there so far, maybe check out this Mastodon server,
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because in my experience, Mastodon has been a really fun, really
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friendly environment for Kinksters.
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Frank: I might add we, we've had a few questions from people that
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mostly listen to files and are looking for files that are suitable.
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So I'm sure we all have our favourite sites with with files
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or or online resources for that.
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Maybe we can collect them and add them into the description on this podcast.
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Coach Apollo: Yeah, I think the one that comes to mind for
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me is warped my mind, which
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Frank: Definitely.
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Coach Apollo: the files, need vetting there, whenever you wanna listen to them.
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But I think most of the descriptions are at least of the more popular files
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are fairly accurate and the comments.
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And then of course, you know, following the socials of your
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favourite of your favourite test.
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You can find me Coach Apollo at tree.com/muscle pup Apollo.
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All of my socials use that handle.
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And then Mike, are there any socials people can look for your info on?
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Mike: Instagram DJ Dogo mic.
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It's always open.
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Message me, I. Might, it might take me a while to, to answer, but I usually answer
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all the messages or telegram mic to pop.
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I think so.
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Or king tree, slash mic.
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And then you'll see everything there.
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Coach Apollo: all right.
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So if you have any further questions, feel free to reach out to me.
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Feel free to reach out to Mike.
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And feel free to reach out to Frank or David on the Mastodon server.
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David, they can just go to that link on the MAs or go to that Mastodon
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link and reach you, correct.
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David: That's right.
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Yeah, so you can read through the public posts.
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If you just go to hypno guys.com, you can request.
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To make an account and you just need to put in something that
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indicates that you are a human and not a bot and actually trying to
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learn about or talk about hypnosis.
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And yeah, it's free, it's great.
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And I'll also add that if you're interested in following me online,
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the username that I typically go by is Harry Hypnotist.
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That's H-A-I-R-Y, hypnotist.
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I'm on Mastodon, of course.
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I am also on a couple of other platforms, discord and so on.
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But yeah, feel free to reach out.
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And Frank, did you give your social media information?
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Do you want to.
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Well, thank you all so much for listening to this.
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This has been really interesting, really informative.
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I learned something.
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I hope you all did as well.
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you have further questions for further comments, please reach out
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to any or all of us and we would love to hear from you in general.
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I hope you all have a lot of fun exploring hypnosis in the future.