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Wet Hot American Summer with Allison Raskin · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies
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  Speaker 1: have women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends
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  Speaker 1: and husbands, or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef
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  Speaker 1: and best start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin
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  Speaker 1: Darante Jamie, and we host a podcast about the representation
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  Speaker 1: of women in film. It's the one you're listening to, right,
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  Speaker 1: is it at this very second? And Jesus Christ go on, well, no,
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  Speaker 1: like I feel like we should go home there. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so this is our podcast about the portrayal of women
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  Speaker 1: in movies. We use the Beck Delf test as a
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  Speaker 1: jumping off point to start a larger discussion about the
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  Speaker 1: portrayal of women in movies. Jamie, let's pass the Bechdel
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  Speaker 1: test by explaining what the Bechtel test is. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: you went some crazy paradox. What you can't describe what
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  Speaker 1: the Bechtel test is without breaking the right because you
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  Speaker 1: have to say, man, I also just said Bechtel test wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even notice there. Let's let's try this, Hey, Jamie, Hi,
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  Speaker 1: can you explain to me what the Bechtel test is
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  Speaker 1: please not without breaking it. It's like fight club in
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  Speaker 1: that way, or maybe it isn't that. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: The first rule of the Bechtel test is that you
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  Speaker 1: cannot talk about the test, the Bechtel test. And that's
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  Speaker 1: why this is the last episode of our podcast because
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  Speaker 1: we realized we've been breaking the first rule of the
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  Speaker 1: Bechdel test. We just never talk about it. I thought
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  Speaker 1: this was fun. Well, I think that passed the Bechdel test.
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  Speaker 1: It did. Wow. Okay, so we're good. So now we
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  Speaker 1: can actually explain what it is, which is, thank god,
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  Speaker 1: we can talk about men again. Thank God is getting
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  Speaker 1: very stressed out. So if you if you don't know already,
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  Speaker 1: the Bechtel test is a test applied to fiction. Old
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  Speaker 1: media requires that a movie, let's say, has two female
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  Speaker 1: identifying characters in it. They have to have names, they
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  Speaker 1: have to speak to each other, and their conversation has
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  Speaker 1: to be about anything besides a man. We just did that, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: we did. We just did that. But then because I
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  Speaker 1: just said, man, that's what fun. Where you break it? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's tricky. It's a paradox, it really is. Anyhow, So
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  Speaker 1: we're here with a guest to talk about wild summer flick.
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  Speaker 1: She is the creator and star of Gossip, which is
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  Speaker 1: a scripted comedic soap opera podcast fun Alison Ruskin, Hi, Hi,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for being here. Thank you so much for having
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  Speaker 1: me anytime. So we're talking about what hot American summer
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  Speaker 1: love it? Yeah, that's true. I had never seen this
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  Speaker 1: movie really before. I've never seen I've rarely seen any movies. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen it before. I'd heard a lot about it. Honestly,
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  Speaker 1: based on a poster and knowing who's in the cast
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  Speaker 1: and knowing the year it came out, I assumed it
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  Speaker 1: was going to do way less well than I think
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  Speaker 1: it actually does. Like it seems like you hear like
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  Speaker 1: was this came out about two Yeah? You hear? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: a two thousand one summer comedy. I don't think this
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  Speaker 1: is going to be a progressive piece of work in
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  Speaker 1: any way. Like I don't think anything that came out
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  Speaker 1: that year is like whoa, this is well? Like, um,
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  Speaker 1: are you forgetting about Shrek? I was about to say Shrek, Caitlin,
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  Speaker 1: do we know what month this came out? Because Shrek
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  Speaker 1: came out in July and was there of course, the
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  Speaker 1: last bit of innocence we had as a country with Shrek.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, with Shrek in this year. But anyways, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Shrek is obviously a feminist text. But most movies I
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  Speaker 1: would say that came out in the in the early
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  Speaker 1: Bush administration through literally today are are not progressive text.
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  Speaker 1: Raunchy summer comedy is generally not good to women. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I meant for sure. Yes, by the way, this
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  Speaker 1: movie came out in July. Oh wow, this was up
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  Speaker 1: against Trek at the box this movie was Yeah, nobody
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  Speaker 1: saw this movie's story wise, Shrek one, money wise, Shrek
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  Speaker 1: continues to win. Yeah, this movie what had American summer.
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  Speaker 1: It was a critical and box office failure, huge flop,
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  Speaker 1: but it has since developed a cult following and has
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  Speaker 1: gotten its own TV show, a couple of different variations
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  Speaker 1: of it because they've done the First Day of Camp
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  Speaker 1: Netflix series and then the ten year Reunion. Right, I
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  Speaker 1: think I only saw the first Day of Camp one.
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  Speaker 1: I think same. Yeah, So what's your history with the movie.
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  Speaker 1: My history with this movie is like, I know that
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  Speaker 1: I love it, but I don't ever remember anything about it.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, you know those movies where you're like
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  Speaker 1: that's a good time, but like the specifics of it
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  Speaker 1: allude you, Like you know that at one point they
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  Speaker 1: go into town and get so high like past that
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, it's a bunch of funny people. Well, it's
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  Speaker 1: probably because there's no cohesive story that really unfolds, so
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to remember what it's about. It's just a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of little, like micro stories, which is like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's just like the weird thing about any like ensemble
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  Speaker 1: cast is you're like, okay, so a bunch of small
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  Speaker 1: things will happen and eventually the movie will end, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what will happen. I feel like a good ensemble
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  Speaker 1: movie though you do have the right like the normal arc.
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  Speaker 1: But it's because it's David Wayne, right, So it's he's
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  Speaker 1: he's not looking to do the normal thing now. He's
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  Speaker 1: such an avant garde different artist. So yeah, I saw
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  Speaker 1: this movie for the first time in college, I want
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  Speaker 1: to say, probably around like two thousand five, and I
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  Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. I thought it was really funny and
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  Speaker 1: really silly. You know, it's just a silly, vaguely satirical.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know quite how to classify this movie.
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  Speaker 1: In terms of it's like approach to what it's about,
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  Speaker 1: and I feel like it's like making a big nostalgia appeal,
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  Speaker 1: like that's most of it is, like the era. But
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  Speaker 1: I also felt pressured to like it did. Like I
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  Speaker 1: feel like it's like weird if someone says they don't
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  Speaker 1: like this movie. Sure, yeah, Like it's like you're especially
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  Speaker 1: it feel like the comedy community. I think where some
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  Speaker 1: of his other movies, I feel like I can be
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  Speaker 1: like that made no sense at all, But like, what
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  Speaker 1: are other movies he'd made? Oh? Man, he made this
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  Speaker 1: one with m Paul Rudd and Jennifer Anderson. That was
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  Speaker 1: like one of the worst things I've ever seen where
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  Speaker 1: he went they went to that cult and Justin Thureau
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  Speaker 1: was in it. Oh I don't I don't know. Was
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  Speaker 1: that called wander Loss? Yes? Yes, oh yes. He I
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  Speaker 1: think directed a movie called The Ten, which I think
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  Speaker 1: I'm maybe the only person who saw that and the
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  Speaker 1: only person who liked it. What was it about? It's
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  Speaker 1: based on the Ten Commandments and it's like all these
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  Speaker 1: little videos he did. Why did't you see The Ten?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I it really resonated with me
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  Speaker 1: in a way that I can't explain. And um, people
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  Speaker 1: who had seen it, who saw me like online saying
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  Speaker 1: that I enjoyed it, they're like, Caitlin, what the freak
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  Speaker 1: is wrong with you? As far as to publicly state
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  Speaker 1: that you like you didn't keep that to yourself. I
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  Speaker 1: stand out for the t look please tweet at me.
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  Speaker 1: It's really your thoughts on the it's not you're the
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  Speaker 1: only one who saw it. But it's like similarly like
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  Speaker 1: silly and goofy, like Wet Hot American Summer, but it's
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  Speaker 1: certainly not a good movie. Well anyways, so so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I enjoyed Wet Hot American Summer, the film the artistic
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  Speaker 1: masterpiece that it is, of course, and uh yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was really silly and funny, and I liked
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  Speaker 1: that it's pretty much just like a goofy movie that
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  Speaker 1: is not taking it. I'm sorry, seriously, it's a goofy movie.
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  Speaker 1: It's that's a different thing. But is it an is
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  Speaker 1: it an Extremely? Is that the sequel? Because that's another yeah,
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  Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite. I think that all
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  Speaker 1: Sea Celery and extremely and then Extremely went Hot Americans
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  Speaker 1: and Extreme Oh, I have extreme doubts, right, I think
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about this before because I can't stop saying
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  Speaker 1: an extremely doubtful movie. Sorry good So yeah, so this movie.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's silly, and I enjoy it. I argue
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  Speaker 1: it has more heart than other movies that go this crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Like I think that like with Coop, like we're like
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  Speaker 1: tracking him and his love for Katie. There is like
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  Speaker 1: an emotional there's a center to this. Some of the
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  Speaker 1: characters do care, and that's unusual for this type of
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  Speaker 1: broad comedy. That's true mostly. I mean, I love Niles
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  Speaker 1: his uh David David H God, God, I love him
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  Speaker 1: so much. He was one of my major childhood crushes.
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  Speaker 1: WAS loved Niles so much. I'd stamp every night to
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  Speaker 1: watch Frasier and I had a crush on Frasier, but
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  Speaker 1: I knew he was so unattainable and so in your
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  Speaker 1: fantasy world, you had to settle for Niles. Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: was just like Daphne. I had to settle for Niles.
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  Speaker 1: There was I was like Fraser. I would be so
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  Speaker 1: scared to talk to him. Niles would approach me, we
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  Speaker 1: would get along great. We would have a marriage of
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  Speaker 1: convenience for years. I just oh God, I love Niles
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  Speaker 1: and he and David hid Peers is so great. No
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  Speaker 1: one sees much of his work outside of Niles, so
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  Speaker 1: I've seen him on Broadway. And the thing about The
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  Speaker 1: Detective no Um, it was like a movie. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that wasn't a movie. Was definitely not a movie.
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  Speaker 1: It was I can't remember what it was, but he
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  Speaker 1: was very good in it. Yeah, he's the absolute best
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  Speaker 1: at the end. Well, speaking of not being able to
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  Speaker 1: pass the Bechdel test, alright, it's quite all right. Shall
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  Speaker 1: I do a recap of the story of What Hot
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  Speaker 1: American Summer? Good Luck? Thank you? Can I can I
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  Speaker 1: recap the Can? I just read off the list of
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  Speaker 1: names in this movie, because it is it is pretty
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  Speaker 1: significant in terms of like most people were either famous
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  Speaker 1: or became famous, and I don't think they were famous
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  Speaker 1: at the time. I think it's Bradley Cooper's first movie.
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  Speaker 1: It is Bradley Cooper's first movie. It's like Amy Poehler
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  Speaker 1: is not quite it's people on the CUSP at this time.
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  Speaker 1: So Janine Garofalo, who was famous already, David Hyde, Pierce already, Niles,
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  Speaker 1: Molly Shannon I think had already been on SNL. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, yeah, Paul Red we knew him
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  Speaker 1: from Clueless. Because for Maloney, I don't know who that is.
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  Speaker 1: Michael Maloney's from Lawn Order, but I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, he's the she's the chef. Okay, chef in
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  Speaker 1: Law and Order, the famous at the show about a
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  Speaker 1: chef that Selve crimes. I guarantee that has been pitched.
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  Speaker 1: Michael Showalter and Michael ian Black from the State, Ken Marino,
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  Speaker 1: Amy Poeler, Bradley Cooper, Elizabeth Banks early role for her,
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  Speaker 1: Joe lo Trulio, Judah Friedlander, and um h John Benjamin
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  Speaker 1: as Can of Vegetables. Lots of names, big names, all
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  Speaker 1: star casts. If you're white, I was like, is every
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  Speaker 1: white person? Yes? Okay. So the loose narrative that this
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  Speaker 1: movie follows is that it's the last day of camp
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  Speaker 1: at Camp Firewood, which is a I think like Jewish
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  Speaker 1: summer camp in Maine, in Maine. I think in the
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  Speaker 1: set somewhere in the eighties, an eighties baby myself. I
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  Speaker 1: I'm very good at recognizing the eighties. Um So, so
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  Speaker 1: you listed the big ensemble cast. We follow different characters around.
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  Speaker 1: Each of them has like a little story arc where
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  Speaker 1: like Coope has a crush on this girl named Katie.
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  Speaker 1: They're both counselors at this camp um, but she's dating
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  Speaker 1: Andy played by Paul rudd Us. I feel like we
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  Speaker 1: should point out that they're all clearly adults, sixteen year
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  Speaker 1: old for sure, So that's a large part of the humor. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's like when Katie's like, I'm sixteen, I think I
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  Speaker 1: literally yelled at my television, no you're not. But the
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  Speaker 1: movie is like self aware enough that it knows that
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  Speaker 1: that's a big There's another scene where they're like making
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  Speaker 1: a plan to do their like ten year reunion at
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  Speaker 1: some point, and they're like, we're all going to be
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  Speaker 1: in our late twenties by then, and it's like, you
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  Speaker 1: guys are already thirty five. It's a joke. It's hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: So we've got Coope, Michael shell Walter is crushing on Katie,
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  Speaker 1: who I think that's one of the few people in
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  Speaker 1: the movie who didn't go on to more like mainstream success.
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  Speaker 1: She's done stuff. I've definitely been a big fan of
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  Speaker 1: hers for years because she's so beautiful. She like started
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  Speaker 1: this like really like fun dramay where she played his
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  Speaker 1: teacher who slept with her high schools, didn't. I think
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  Speaker 1: I was the only person who watched that show. And
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember the name. Cool. Yeah, but she's been
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  Speaker 1: and stuff, Yeah, but I think not recently. She was
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  Speaker 1: also in the O G. Mighty Ducks cast. Whoa we're
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  Speaker 1: saying she is one of the Mighty Ducks kids. I guess, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's a teen. She was a teen when Mighty Ducks
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  Speaker 1: came up. I gotta we gotta read what we gotta
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  Speaker 1: do an episode on the Mighty Ducks. Worth looking. She's
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  Speaker 1: plays Connie Morrow and three Mighty Ducks movies. There you go,
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  Speaker 1: good for her. So, so we've got Coope, he's crushing
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  Speaker 1: on Katie. She's dating Andy, who feels very suffocated by
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  Speaker 1: her existing in the world. Um, then we've got a
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  Speaker 1: character named Victor. That's Ken Marino. He's trying to get
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  Speaker 1: with this girl named Abby. But the camp director, Beth
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  Speaker 1: played by Janine Garofalo, was like, you got to take
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  Speaker 1: these kids out rafting, so sakes. Yeah, but then can
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  Speaker 1: Marino does kill some kids and sort of they don't die,
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  Speaker 1: they die, they disappear. So no, he's saying one drowned.
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  Speaker 1: He saves them. Oh, No, that's Paul Paul Rudd. Definitely,
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  Speaker 1: I kill some kids. Some kids. Yeah, uh, sorry, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't mean to throw Ken Marino under the Paul red
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  Speaker 1: You're unnoticed. You killed a bunch of kids. Uh. Then
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  Speaker 1: we've got Beth, the camp director. She is interested in
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  Speaker 1: Henry played by David Hyde Pierce. He is an associate
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  Speaker 1: professor of astrophysics. So they're like trying to learn each
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  Speaker 1: other's interests and get to know each other. Love them
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  Speaker 1: together so great. Another storyline we see is Gayle played
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  Speaker 1: by Molly Shannon. She's like the arts and crafts teacher.
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  Speaker 1: She's dealing with a divorce, right, and then she gets
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  Speaker 1: close to a very young camper. I love where that storyline.
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  Speaker 1: It's so dist At the end of the movie she
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  Speaker 1: marries the It's very funny the way they play it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then we've got Susie Amy Poehler and Ben Bradley
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  Speaker 1: Cooper are producing, directing, choreographing, choreographing. That's how you say that.
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  Speaker 1: A talent show, which is sort of the big event
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  Speaker 1: at the end of this day and the end of
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  Speaker 1: the movie. Then we've got also been and McKinley played
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  Speaker 1: by Michael Ian Black. They're like developing a romantic relationship.
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  Speaker 1: They're gay together, they get married at some point in
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  Speaker 1: the movie, and had they have the hottest scene. I've
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  Speaker 1: watched it. I think four times. I was like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, I've never in my life and like, Michael
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  Speaker 1: Ian Black is so less a lie. I used to
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  Speaker 1: have a crush on him when he was on I
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  Speaker 1: love the seventies, but also he's very hot in this movie.
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  Speaker 1: It's what I was like, crazy. I mean, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: we'll get to it, but I honestly think that that's
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  Speaker 1: one of the most progressive scenes from that time that
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  Speaker 1: I've seen. Yeah, absolutely agree. I feel like that whole
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  Speaker 1: scene I was because two thousand one I was waiting
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  Speaker 1: for a homophobic joke that didn't come. It was great,
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  Speaker 1: but then everyone came in a way because that scene
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  Speaker 1: is so hot. I see what you mean, Okay. And
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  Speaker 1: then there's a few like kind of more secondary characters
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  Speaker 1: like Jean played by Christopher Maloney. He's like the chef
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  Speaker 1: of the camp. He has to learn to accept himself
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  Speaker 1: for who he is, which is someone who fondles sweaters,
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  Speaker 1: humps his fridge, etcetera. And Journey we've all been on
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  Speaker 1: a class. So throughout the day, you know this stuff
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  Speaker 1: is happening. Everyone's gearing up for the talent show. There's
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  Speaker 1: like a game of Capture the Flag. There's a baseball
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  Speaker 1: game that doesn't actually happen. There's like just different little
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  Speaker 1: things to like fill in the time. And then at
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  Speaker 1: the end, like kind of there's no conclusion at all.
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  Speaker 1: Coop and Katie. I feel like they're probably the main
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  Speaker 1: storyline and the characters we meet first, so you just
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  Speaker 1: kind of first yeah, and then like I'd say, it's
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  Speaker 1: even with Beth and the oh that's true, or because
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  Speaker 1: like the closest we get to like the straight men
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  Speaker 1: of the movie would be like Coop and Beth kind
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  Speaker 1: of and this and the shot that I guess the
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  Speaker 1: movie ends on a shot of the two of them,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, I guess, oh yeah, because he's just been
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  Speaker 1: dumped by Katie Katie, which is yeah, and then Beth
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  Speaker 1: goes okay and he's like yeah, and then cut to
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  Speaker 1: black cute at the end. It was really cute. So
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  Speaker 1: that's the movie. That's the story, if you can call
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  Speaker 1: it that. There's okay, I have a quick story that
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  Speaker 1: has nothing to do with anything. Uh, there's a girl
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  Speaker 1: in the little Science club that Niles creates in the movie,
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  Speaker 1: a woman in STEM, A woman and a young woman
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  Speaker 1: in STEM. She's I think she's like fourteen or something.
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  Speaker 1: She's like one of the actual campers. And she wears
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  Speaker 1: a Cure t shirt and I guess she goes by
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  Speaker 1: Cure Girl. That's the name of her character. And I
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: a year and a half ago, I would always have
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  Speaker 1: this picture of this particular actress sent to me in
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  Speaker 1: a very specific episode of Law and Order where at her.
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  Speaker 1: So I reached out to her. I was like, because
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  Speaker 1: she still lives here, she's still working at dress. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, do you want to hang out and see
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  Speaker 1: if we still look alike? And so we we've hung
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  Speaker 1: on a couple different times, and we don't look at
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  Speaker 1: anything like, Wait, you hung out with someone just because
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: people thought you looked alike? Yes? So I mean, did
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I did for the photo or just because you thought
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: you'd have stuff in common? I don't know, I will
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I just like I never get dopple, Like I never
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: no one ever tells me I look like anybody. And
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: then it was like this girl who in the Law
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: and Order episode she's in, she's twelve years old, and
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: they're like, this looks like you today, and that's true.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I've seen the photo that I can. We'll we'll put
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: up the photo. It does look exactly like me. It's
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: like a kid who's committed a cyber crime on Law
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: and Order. I was like, you always do as I'm
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: a hacker and so I do a lot of cyber crime.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: It makes sense our vibes are similar, but it is.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: It's like a screenshot where I every time this syndicated
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: episode come on, I get it from like ten different
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: people because it's and it's all of like my aunts
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: are like, did you get a job? I'm like, no,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: a child got a job twenty years ago. Thanks so much. Anyways,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: very important question, when you hung out, did you call
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: it a dopple hang I'm not sorry for that, and
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: because I know you're proud of it, just give five.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: She didn't turn I earned it. Anyways, Let's take a
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: quick break and then we'll be back for some hot,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: spicy discussion discourse. We'll be right back and we're back.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: It's us again. We'll post that photo of Jamie's dopple
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: gang or who she does dopple hang out with? And okay,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I like to better. The second time, I think so much.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I was more confident in my delivery that time. Yeah,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: confidence is key, Thank you so much. We'll post it
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: to our Instagram and you be the judge Bechtel Heads,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Bectel Heads. Yeah. So yeah, this movie, I mean it's
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: like a parody satire thing, but not like a very
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: extremely mart one. It's an extremely good movie. So it's
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: kind of hard to take anything at face value with
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: this movie because it's just so silly and it doesn't
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: really have any sort of agenda except to like just
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: be as silly as possible. I think so. But that said,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I mean I think that there's there's there's stuff for
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: us to talk about. Yeah, let's start with Beth. Sure.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Beth is planned by Janine Garfflo. She is the head
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: of the camper, a woman in charge business owner, female business.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: She isn't charge and I mean I like her character
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, she's she seems to be generally respected,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: like even if they're not doing what she's telling them to,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: they still respect. Like she's not like a monster and
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: she's not like a control freak or you know, she
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: assiciates a gay wedding like there people like her, right,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: because a lot of times you see like a woman
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: in her position in media, she's like depicted as like
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: a shrew, like a devil wears product, Like, oh my god,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: what a horrible bitch, what a heinous I feel like,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: especially because it's like a like an eighties movie like
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: send Up, that would be like a very easy choice
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: for the movie to have made, and they don't or
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: like that she's completely incompetent that too. Yeah, she's like
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: but she's like right down the middle of like great
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: but not like to like attainable, you know, like I
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: really I like her character. Yeah, it's like she runs
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: the camp offficiently, clearly cares enough about it that David
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Hyde Pierce has to purchase a book or like already
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: get a book about running a camp to press her.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: So it's like she cares about her job, but she
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: also gets all her teenage cams counsels high. She's officiating
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: weddings right and laughed. It's there's a lot she's really
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: she doesn't. She approaches that kid and I don't remember
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: that character's name, but it's like the kid who hasn't
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: made any friends, and he's like speaks in a robot voice,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: and she's like, isn't that also Michael Showalter or is
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: that a different no? That he right? Oh, I don't know.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I really didn't want that show. I don't know. I'm
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: so sorry, Michael show Walter. Does m see the Talent
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Show as a different characters like that corny like stand
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: up comic maybe laughs so much? That was they just
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: they love I'm so old. I Ate wrapped her eggs
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: for breakfast. It's like it's so good. Um, But she like, yeah,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: she cares enough to like she approaches that kid, She's like,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: it seems like you haven't made that many friends, and like,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: you know, what can I do to help? And she's like,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: why don't you do something in the Talent Show? Meanwhile,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: like Amy Poler is like, no, it has to be perfect.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: And then I feel like he's a very important character
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: because he like conjures up the wind because it like
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: blows the like space equipment away. I don't again, because
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: we haven't even touched on them. We have anyone told
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: anybody about that whole plot. I forgot about that. It's
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: crazy that you can just drop out that plot and
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: have the movie still sort of makes sense just the
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Doom's day of a satellite hitting the camp, pausing everyone
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: to die, right, So David Hyde Hyde Pierce's character Henry
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: figures out that there's like this piece of space equipment
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: like hurling towards them, so they like build this machine
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: to calibrate exactly where it's going to land because and
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: then they figure out that it's gonna land right on
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the building that the talent show is in, so like,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: how can we use this machine to like deviate its course?
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: So then they do that, But it also might have
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: been like the wind that the kid at the end
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: like conjures up who this movie is, Chrisy Like also
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: you're like you buy it immediately, of course, like within
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: five minutes. You're like, literally, anything could happen in this movie,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: and I'd be like, sure, exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah. And
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: then the relationship between Beth and his name is Henry
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna keep saying Niles, I'm sorry, but the
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: relationship between Beth and Niles is really I don't know.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like there are definitely some trophy parts
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: about it, but I feel like almost every trope is
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: commented on in some way to the point where I
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: was basically satisfied with how they treated, Like in the
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: first scene where she approached him first and she's like, Hi,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I'm Beth. I run the Campo a lot. And then
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: there's that great line read where she's like asking him like, oh,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I'd love for you to like to to the kids,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, no, I kid and then she's like, oh,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: but it would be great if you did. He's like, no,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I don't want to. And then she's like, but if
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: you He's like I said no, And that's the greatest
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: scene I've ever seen. But you know, she's like pretty
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: proactive in like pursuing that relationship. She does get a
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: makeover at one point sort of, and then she swoops
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: her hair to one side and that's basically all that happens, right,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, how have you ever tried that? I mean,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: that will change your life? She did, you know, ensnare
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: her one true love? After she did that, and then
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I almost thought it was going
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: in the direction of like, oh, the woman needs to
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: learn everything about the male character in order to impress him,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: but then he does the same thing, so I was like, oh,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: it's actually kind yeah, like that relationship, and then I
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: don't know, I liked it a lot. Yeah, and then
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: there's like that funny like a comment on the trope
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: at the end where they're like, we've been trying to
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: get pregnant and it hasn't been working even though they've
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: known each other for like less than twenty four hours.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: So it's a hilarious joke. And then marries a kid, right,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: so good. Yeah, So that relationship, I mean, I feel
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: like there's really not that much to say about it.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I thought it was very sweet and funny. Yeah, it's
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: a rare example, I would say, of a romantic relationship
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: in a movie where the male character isn't like stalking her,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: trying to trick her vera or vice versa. Yeah, they're
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: just like they see each other from afar. They seem
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: interested in each other, so they very respectfully just like meet,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you know, respectful, you know, said a relative term, but
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: within the rules of this world. And that's exactly they
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: figure out what each of the other person is interested in.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: They go and do research on that so that they
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: have more things to talk about. And yeah, she does
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: lie at first, and it's like I know all about astrophysics,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: but then she goes out and learns all about that
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: one day. I love how this movie operates it within time.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: That's my favorite in the movie, because she's like, oh no,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I don't actually anything about astrophysics, How can I get
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: out of this convo? And she's like, um, what time
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: is it? And then he looks up at the sky.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: So great, what a great joke. Um. But yeah, So
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: it's like in so many movies we see like a
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: man lying to a woman, manipulating her for the sake
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: of like a romantic pursuit or like stalking her, and
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: that's supposed to be romantic, like all this stuff. So
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: this movie doesn't subscribe to any of those very problematic things.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And I guess so like points for that, but yeah
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: it is. I didn't give it that much thought when
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I was watching it, but yeah, it's like actually a
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: pretty well handled like budding of a romantic relationship. Yeah.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, I also think that, like the movie is
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: about sex and love, you know, that's like what the
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: majority of the characters want and desire and so like
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: in the sense that like, for the most part, women
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: are talking about men like the men are talking about women.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I think that's okay though them, and that's like what
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: the movie is about. But then I think that they
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: handled those relationships well right for being a movie about
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: that stuff, right, because you know what movie like that
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: that doesn't handle it well at all? Is love actually
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: worse ensemble? That's a hot take. I think I haven't
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: looked at it with my with my new eyes. Well
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: give the Love actually episode. We did listen, and it
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: is don't ruin the movie? It is, Yeah, it is.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: If you want to continue to enjoy that movie, you
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: can never watch it again. That's really the only way
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: you can continue to love it. No, I'm already just
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: thinking about moments of that movie and I'm like, oh no,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the whole the most famous scene is scary, that with
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: with the que cards and the horrible Yeah. Can I
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: jump ahead to Katie please? Well? I think that so
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Katie is the one that Coop likes, and she's she's
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: like the popular girl whose boyfriend Paul Rudd is like
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: constantly cheating on her with Elizabeth Banks. And I think
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: that we expect her to end up with Coope and
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: to be like, oh, I eat, this guy is an asshole.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I should be here with this nice guy who's like
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: always been there for me and like it's obsessed with me,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: and that sort of plays into like the nice guys
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: deserve the pretty girls, but instead she's like I just
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: want to fuck and you're not who I want to
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: do that with, and my boyfriend is and I'm sorry there,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: but there is like there, there's a moment where for
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: a second, for one scene, you think that she is
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: going to end up with she like rushes out of
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the Talent Show and she's like, I love, You're gonna
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: be with you, bah bah and he so you get
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: that moment that like feels disappointing of like really like
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: he's really gonna that doesn't make any sense, and you
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: get that kiss, and then it's like the next scene
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: where she's like I don't wanna fuck you, blah blah blah.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: And then she also calls out because the whole time
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I was like, how does she not
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: know that Paul Read is cheating on her because a
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: child literally drowned while he was cheating on her blatantly
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: doing it, But she says, I mean, she's like, I
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: know he cheats on me all the time. I don't care.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I want to suck him as much as I can
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: because I'm quote unquote seventeen. I mean in a way,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: isn't that so empowering? I thought it was great. We
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: never see women say that, right, This is the thing,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: is like cheating is this thing that I think is
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: in a lot of relationships going away because people are
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: just in open relationships. So like if you put that
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: lens on their relationship, then they're just in an open
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: relationship and like who cares, you know what I mean,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: she doesn't care about cheating, then that's basically what it is.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Then it's not I mean it's not it is still
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: cheating because he's lying to her about it. But like
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: they could have easily just been in an open relationship
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: and she would down. Yeah, so very progressive. Yeah, yeah,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: it's rare that you see a woman who's just like
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: so sexually empowered that she's like, I don't really care
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: what the circumstances are. I just want to fuck because
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: she's not like hurt by him cheating, right, Like, she
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: doesn't care. She doesn't care. Even she's like, I know,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: my boyfriend's pretty lame, but like he's extremely high. So
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: arguably she's like a little superficial, but like but like
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: she's open about it. The only thing that I thought
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: that that was like that was definitely and that's within
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: this world that makes sense. But her character at the beginning,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I think part of the reason that that end, her
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: ending is so like impactful and kind of like whoa,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I didn't see that coming is because she doesn't act
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: that way for a lot of the movie, where at
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the movie, we see her ask for
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: more attention from Paul Red's character sick not sex. No,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: there's a there's a scene where she literally says like,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: uh oh, I don't know if I read an the
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: exact quote, but there's a scene where she's just like,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: why don't you like pay more? She's asking him for
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: more emotion, She's asking him, and then she basically says
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: like I feel you're like you're paying attention to other
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: people and not me, And so you don't get the
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: vibe from her of like all she wants to do
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: is fuck. But then in the journey of this twenty
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: four hours, at the end she's like, Okay, no, now
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I understand what he's At the beginning, I feel like
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: we're supposed to think she has no idea he's cheating
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: on her, so it is kind of like a change.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Although I would say if you rewatch the movie knowing
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: how like horny she is at the end and like
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: how much she just wants to have sex, if you
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: look at her character and like what she says through
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: that lens by rewatching the movie, she's always like, come on,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: like when are we going to hang out and like
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: go off and like hang out together. So you could
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: kind of read it as like when can we go
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: off and have sex sort of thing, So it's not
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: it's certainly not explicit until the very end. Yeah, she's like,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I just want to spend time with you, and then
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: he says fuck you. So Paul Rud's character, that's he's
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: wild because like but he's playing what's very clearly like
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: a kind of aggro toxic masculinity. He's he's bad boy.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: He's wearing Aviator sunglasses. He's always like, yeah, he doesn't
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: give us she's his girlfriend and kills a child in
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the same scene. Like he's that kind of guy, right,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: But I think that's all played up for humor, and
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: if anything is being commented on in this movie, I
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: think like toxic masculinity in the form of his character
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: is sort of like being commented on or like when
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I was at camp, like of course you love that guy,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: and so it like makes you realize what a loser
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: that guy was. And I also think the fact that
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Paul Red, even though he is eternally young, he's clearly not,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: you know, a teenager in that movie. He's like it,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: well into his thirties. But it is cool to see
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: someone with like a teenager ish swagger, like in the
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: body of a thirty three year old man looks he
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: was thirty three, and Paul Red is born to thirty two.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: He's born in sixty nine, which is what Paul Red
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: is fort nine years old. Just so everyone knows, there
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: is a Dorrian Gray portrait somewhere rotting away as Paul
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: drinks people's blood and grows more powerful. I'm assuming we
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's a theory. But Paul Red
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: is forty nine years old. He's thirty two years old
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: in this It's it's insane, it's unfair, it's violence against
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: all humans. I also want to talk about Coop's approach
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: to his crush on Katie, because at one point he
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: says something like, you know, I love you, and I
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: love the way you laugh, and I love I don't
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: care that you're bilingual. A bunch like silly stuff, but
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: like he's mostly saying that he appreciates her for her
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: like personality, her intelligence or sense of humor. But also
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the movie, they have a very
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: brief conversation and he says, that's the longest I've ever
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: talked to her. So I think that they don't really
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: even know each other. I think he's just saying that
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: stuff because that's like what he thinks, he thinks, but
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: really he just thinks she's beautiful. Yeah, I think that
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: they're I mean, I feel like Coop is one of
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the more subtle uses of common terry in a very
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: unsettle movie where he is kind of like set up
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: to be this typical like you know, nice guys finished
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: last but until the end of the movie, and then
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: he gets the girl like you were just saying, Elison,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: But then he doesn't like he you know, like he
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: doesn't get what he wants. And I think that that's
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: cool and it calls out that like he barely does know,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: so like the things he says at the end are
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: kind of empty platitudes. But then also like they do
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: become friends throughout the weird amount of time that the
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: movie takes place, and because there's a few scenes of
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: them alone together, there's like when everyone finds out that
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: like he hasn't you know, like gotten laid, and she
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: is saying, I guess, like she's like, well why not.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: You should be sucking as much as possible, and he's like, uh,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: you know, like sluts Rock, it just has to be
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: the right slut. Like that's very He's very sex positive
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: and not slut sham. So sluts Rock, said feminist icon
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Coop about, well, then that reminds me of another character,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Victor ken Marino's character, where he is like putting on
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: this like persona of like being this like macho stud
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: who fox everyone, and he's like so good at sex,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: and then he reveals to draw the trilio that he
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: is a virgin. He's never had sex before, and it
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: was this big shocker for us as him, the guy
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: constantly talking about sex has never had sex. So if again,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: that might be intentional commentary on sort of you know,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: toxic masculinity, or it just might be a silly joke.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to tell, but um yeah, I
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: don't know. Like his character is just like so absurd.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Although man, I'm just I keep thinking of all the
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: very funny things that happened this movie. When he's like
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: running back to camp the bail of Hay because he
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: has to like jump over. Oh another scene. This is
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: a different character, but another scene that I love so
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: much is Andy Paul Rod finishing his lunch or something
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: and then like flinging his plate and then Beth is like,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? Pick that up right now? And
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: he's just like, I'll get it later, and she's like, no,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: pick that up now. Yeah, And then he respects her
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: authority because she's a respectful figure. There, let's let's go.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: There's so many characters. Gail the Molly Shannon character. Yes,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: this is another character where at first I'm like, uh,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: this is one of the characters I probably like the least.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: But then she still has an arc, like they all
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: have tiny arcs that are mostly effective where we're introduced
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: to her and kind of like another trophy character of
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: like the divorced woman who can't get over it, and
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: she's so she's so divorced, she's handicapped. Yeah, yeah, like
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: she can't even do her job right that she's so
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: upset about her divorce from Judah Freelander, which is like,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: talk about a twist right to Freelander thinking he could
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: deserve Molly Shannon. But by the end it's like it.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: First the laughs are coming from the fact that it's like, oh,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: she's so pathetic, she can't move on, she can't do
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: her job. But then her students, especially one special guy
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: who she does marry, even though he's a loving like
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: coach her and get her confidence up. And then we
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: she has a moment at the talent show where she
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: stands up for herself. Judah Freelander shows up and he's like,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: take me back, and she's like, no, I'm with She
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't even say I'm with him now, which is great.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: But later we're like, she she do what she was
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: gonna do. She's going to marry that kid, she's already
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: there's another man's let's try to unpack that. Okay, Okay,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: never mind, I want that could not have been gender reversed.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: That would have been it would be having a very
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: different Let me keep that. Okay, So are we say
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: that at least we never see them kiss, because we
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: do see Abby kiss that kid named Moose. At the end,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I just say that I don't support older women and children.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like in our society tends to be
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: more accepted, even though it shouldn't be. Let the let
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the record that we hear on the Bectel Cast do
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: not support adults in romantic relationships with children. I know
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: that's a hot take, but but we are not for that. Um.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just like I get it, they're doing
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: it for the joke, and it is, but again it's
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: the older woman and the younger boy. But it's like
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I feel like, until very very recently, that's always been
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: you as like great job man, for sure, like cool
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: you you've got an older woman, great for you, And
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: like only like like in the last two weeks people like,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: actually that's not still statutory, right, Yeah, yeah, because you
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: hear stories about like teenage boys having sex with their
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: like teachers, female teachers, and like the idea for a
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: long time and still a lot of people think this
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: is just like yeah, way, just like good jobs, like
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: this belief that like boys can't be taking advantage of
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: which which doesn't make any sense because when they're taking
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: advantage of by men, everyone understands that that's like not appropriate. Right,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: let's unpack that out. I mean there's perhaps hyper masculinity
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: is alive and well and what no, I agree with
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: everything that was just said. Let the record show it
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: made me laugh. Um and okay, one one more note
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: on the Gail character. Inside of that storyline, there were
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: a few like cool lines from whenever the kids are
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: pumping her up, which is not problematic for kids to
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: be supportive of their perhaps suffering teacher. I mean, it
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: is problematic for her to be like, here are my
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: very personal issues, but it's a movie. But there are
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: female students that are encouraging her as well, like they're like,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: there's a lot that men do that's inexcusable, and they're
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: basically her like young students are rejecting like hyper masculinity
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: in theory, and she's like, oh, I've never thought of
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: it this way. Maybe Judah Freelander is a loser and
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And so I thought that was good.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I started anti this storyline, and
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: then for some reason just like violently defended so the
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: youth is the future. That's it's true. All right, we
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: still have four characters to talk about, So let's take
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll be back in a second.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: And we're back, So who do we want to do next.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: There's a few small quickies. There's Lindsay, the Elizabeth Banks character.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Her thing is that she sucks. She's very horny. She's
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: a woman aggressively going after Andy. Paul Rudd. He is
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: receptive to it, even though oftentimes his girlfriend Katie is
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: right there. Um. But then he decides, so they make
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: out a few times. One of those times a kid
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: does drown on his watch, and then he throws another
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: kid who was like his swimming partner out of a
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: van to like the kid killer nothing. But also those
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: scenes make me laughing. Really, the drowning scene, I was dying.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: I will say Elizabeth Banks early in her career, and
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I think she's so interesting. I really like her, and
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: she like once she and I feel like this is
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: a kind of a common path for female actors almost
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: by nature of how the careers were. Yeah, by by
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: default is what I'm gonna say. She's look out about
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: it later, but early in her career there's a lot
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: of roles like this that she's given over and over
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: and over. I think I mean pretty clearly because she's
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: she's very talented, she's so funny in this movie, but
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: she's not given much to do kind of because of
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: her body type and because of how she looks. She
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: plays a very similar role that is not commenting on
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: anything in The forty year Old Virgin, just like early
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: in her career Old Virgin, she sucks Steve Carrell for
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: no reason. It's a very frustrating movie to watch her
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: and like it's basically pick up that bar. She's the
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: one who's like wasted, No, that's Leslie Man. She works
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: at like a bookstore. And Seth Rogan, who should be
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: deported back to Canada. I can't say it enough. Basically,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Seth Rogan sends Steve Carrell's character and to be like, hey,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: she's wearing a thong so you could suck her. And
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: then Steve Carrell goes to her and she's like, who's
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: this hottie? Like it's just the whole scene is insane.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: But like Elizabeth Banks's early career is littered with characters
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: like this in a way that makes me like frustrated
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: for her because we know now she's capable of so
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: much more, and it's done a lot of good stuff,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: and I think that's what Joe herd to produce and
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: to direct and to be more in the creative positions,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: that she could have those roles that were meteor. So
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: even though she's like good in this movie, we know
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: that she's capable of much more. I was like a
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: little frustrated. Also the founder of who Ha ha, which
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: is a celebration of women in comedy and like empowerment
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: of women doing comedy stuff, very true. And then the year,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I mean this is like the year before, she's like
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: rejected from being given the part of Mary Jane Watson
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: in the first Spider Man movie because she was too old,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: even though she was the same age as Toby McGuire. So,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: oh my god, really, yeah, she's she's has a very
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: small part in Spider Man, but the part, I mean,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Toby McGuire was too old to play Spider Man. It
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: was like twenty eight or something, and Elizabeth Banks was
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: twenty eight and they're actually told me the Wuire's Kris
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: and Dunce is seventeen, so she was only seventeen. She
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: was only seventeen in that Movie's just a bunch of
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: upsetting fun facts about So in this movie, I'm like, man,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: this is the era where Elizabeth Banks is not getting
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: her do right. Yeah, well, um she's shown us though.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah wait wait seventeen years and then we see her
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: full potential, right. Yeah, She's basically only in this story
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: to be seen making out with Paul Red a few
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: times and to have barbecue sauce all over her face.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: That was fun, that was fun. But her talents are
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: under utilized in that character is barely written. Like, yeah,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: she's kind of I thought for some reason when I
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: before I started rewatching this, I thought that she had
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: a much more like crucial role in the story. And
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: then I was like, oh no, she like hardly does anything.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: She's only there to make it. Yeah, Like when we
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: think of the movie with her, we're like, oh, she's
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: going to be the star, gonna have a big role.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: No one uses Elizabeth Banks in a meaningful way until
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: like two thousand and eight. It's crazy. Yeah. Anyways, shall
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: we talk about Susie Amy Poehler's character. Yeah, she, I
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: think is the only female character whose storyline does not
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: deal with a romantic relationship to a man. Yeah, yeah,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: so that was interesting. She's all about making the talent
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: show the best it can possibly be. Peak theater kid,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. So, so she's working closely with Ben
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: played by Bradley Cooper, and I can't remember which of
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: them is like the she's the producer and he's the
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: director of choreography or vice versa. I forget who exactly
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: has I think she'd have to be the producer, right,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: she has such a she's so intense, right, Yeah, So
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: she's working closely with him, and they're both like these
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: like kind of authoritarian like artistic types to be like
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: what this has to be like this, and these kids
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: fucking suck singing and such a travesty, which I find
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: to be very funny because then the kids do fine,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: really good job and she's like, oh, that's horrible bullshit.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: But yes, I enjoyed that there was at least one
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: storyline that doesn't tie her to like a romantic interest,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: and another character who we see a few different sides
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: of where most of her spoken lines are very uptight,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: like oh, I'm a theater director. But then she's also
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: heavily featured in the scene where they get so high
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: they almost die and she's like having fun and she's
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: like she's friends with Katie. Apparently there's like a few
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: different scenes where they're like like you know, friend cuddling
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and so it's like it's also like so
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: supportive of the marriage. Yeah, she's like playing a flute
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: or a recorder. Yeah, she's like super okay with that,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: and like, so he's got a bunch of stuff going on.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: We don't see a full life. We don't see that
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: much of her on screen. We're kind of filling the blanks.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: But like an Amy Pool is just so good that
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I feel, yeah, like you feel like you see her
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: more than you actually do, because every time you see her,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah she I mean she buries Bradley Cooper every time.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Sorry Bradley, but can you imagine them now? She would
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: still now, she would still him. That's why they have
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: not appeared on screen. Who else do we have? We
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: have Abby? Abby? Yes, Abby is the another very horny girl.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of really into how horny all the girls are,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: especially because they're not ever like shamed. They're never shamed,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: and the boys are too, Like I think it's just
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: a commentary on like this time in your life when
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: like your hormones are just like out of control and
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: you're like in this contained space with like very minimal supervision.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: And then they just turned it to eleven because the
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: movie starts with like a bunk full of like what
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: do they like eleven year olds? Everyone is just making
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: out under the verse, and then they like sneak out
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: and then there's like the shot of like all the
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: campers from every cabin having to run back to their
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: horny movie at all time. So much horny depth, but
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: like what jew camp is like from what I never
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: went to a Jewish camp. I went to regular camp,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: but I heard that JUW camp was like I'm Jewish,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I can say it was like even more like sexed
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: up than like regular sleepboy camp. Fun and my sleepboy
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: camp wasn't horny at all. I went to girl Scout camp.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Was it horny? Guys? It was unfortunately not that horny.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Goddamn it. I want to go to horny camps too late,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: you know what, I don't think so Abby and Lindsay
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: make out at the end. Yeah, there's a scene between
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: the two of them where how did you get at
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: where did you fall on that? I wasn't sure. I
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: was hardy well that because I'm like, isn't being played
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: for last it kind of? I think it is, Yeah,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: And I think these are two of the horny's characters
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: we see, let's put them together and have them. I
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: think the idea is that they're so horny that it
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter who they're kissing. So I don't know if
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: it's even like there like queer characters. It's more that
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: they're just like, these are two such horny people that
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: they'll make out with a kid, they'll make out with
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: a woman, even if they aren't queer, like obviously one
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: that makes that with a kid, right, yes, yeah, okay,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: so I seed this movie out loud. There is a
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: lot of problems. So yeah, I think it was played
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: more as a joke and less as although like who
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: knows they might be by they might be you know,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: pan sexual? Who knows? We simply don't know them very
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: well exactly. So I think with the context were given
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: about their sexuality, it's not that much because up till
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: then we've only seen them kissing men were literal boys,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: so that they're there's their sexual preferences aren't really explored
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: enough to know whether or not they're actually queer, which
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: is which that that moment, I was like, Oh, this
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: is kind of a bummer a little bit, because it
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: is kind of being played for last in a movie
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: that otherwise dealt with queerness, I thought, in a way
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: more mature way than most movies and it's genre would
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: And so I was like, Oh, that's kind of a
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: throwaway joke because I think we're led to believe that
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: they are not queer, and there's nothing in the subtext
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: of the movie that would suggest right otherwise except for
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: that one. Except for that one. But it's a joke,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: So I didn't like love that. But also I don't know,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I'm kind of just like,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: there's another kind of problematic moment where um, a lot
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: of the counselors are kind of taking off their clothes
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: and like getting into their their like in their bikinis,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: and they're about to take a dip in the pond
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and I think it's J J. Gary and
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: McKinley is there too, I think, and they're basically just
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: like watching them. So it's like, but the way it's
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: shot is like very male gaze, where it's like panning
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: up and down there like scantily clad bodies, and like,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: so I get it if you want to show kind
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: of toxic male characters gazing at women and like make
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: a commentary on how like that's kind of gross because
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: that's what's happening. But also the way it's shot means
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: that we're seeing it through their lens, which is still
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: the male gaze, and it's still like leaves lingering ways. Yeah,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: like here's he's so gross, but also you get to
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: see it, dude. Yeah. Yeah, So that's when like McKinley,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: who has no interest in women, sneaks off and he's
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: like I don't care about what seeing girls in their bikinis,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: and then we see him go into like the shed
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: and start having sex with Ben. So let's talk about that.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: We've been waiting so long to talk about that. It's
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: a great scene. Yeah, yeah, it's like steamy and hot.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: It's not like for laughs at all. I'd say it's
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: like the most genuine of this, like the makeout scenes,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: and like, I mean, it's a beautiful moment. Great because
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of the other sexy moments in the movie
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: are played relax because it's like either characters like shoving
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: gum into their mouth right before they make out, or
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: like a character taking your shirt off for no reason,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: or like a character's face like covering in barbecue sauce.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: So it feels like it was so planned or like
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: it was like a goal versus just like a genuine
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: attraction between two people. And this is just like they
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: have just like incredible chemistry. Straight sexuality as portrayed by
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: this movie is fucking gross, nasty, yeah, and and and
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: it's stinky and it's dirty, and then you see this
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: like incredible sex scene in a shed where you're just like, I,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't know, I wanted to see Michael Ian black shirtless.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I didn't know, and then I did and know they
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: never go back. And then and then the way their
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: story lamp plays out, I thought it was like cool
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: to see how many you know, because there are like
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: gay slurs used in this movie, but the characters who
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: use them then witness the wedding and you see that
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: there's a good portion of this camp in that is
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: so supportive of this setting. We're playing flutes where you know,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: like the head of the camp is officiating the wedding,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: and then those characters come around because they change so
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: they use like the homophobic slurs and there it seems
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: like they're grossed out at first, but then and this
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: is all this is that one day and this is
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: played as a joke, but I think the joke works
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: because you think that they're horrified and disgusted by their
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: same sex relationship. And there's a scene where they, like
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: where j J and Gary go and like confront McKinley
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: and Ben and they're like, hey, McKinley, this is for you.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: And you think they're gonna like like assault them or
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: something like that, but they buy them like a chaise
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: lounge and they're like, hey, here, we just bought this
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: for you. I hope it matches with your other frontitor whatever.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: They're like, oh my gosh, it does. Then and then
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: queer bashing is resolved at this camp forever. So yeah,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: those like characters that start out being homophobic like very
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: quickly learn their lesson and come around. If only it
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: were that easy. Um, I want to go back to
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: their sex scene. Though. Queer characters are so underrepresented in
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: media that it's horrible travesty when they are represented, it's
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: usually a horrible misrepresentation, and even if they're represented in
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: a positive light, we usually don't get to see especially
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: men kissing other men and definitely not gay mail sex,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: like we only it'll maybe like cut off right at
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: the kiss or like you don't. So even mainstream movies
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: about queer characters in a romantic context, we might if
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: we're lucky, we get to see two men kiss, and
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: even that's rare. You know, I got my fingers crossed.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: I just want to see kiss, which is true for me. Um,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: But the fact that you like see it's not a
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: epic sex scene. It's the way that you treat a
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: sex scene between like a straight couple in like a
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: like a PG thirteen movie. You know, like it's like shade.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: It's like kind of like a cruel intentions level, like
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: a sex scene where it's like really hot and like
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: when you're a kid and you watch, you're like this
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: is incredible, but then like as an adult, like, oh,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not actually seeing anything scandalous, but they created this
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: feeling in this moment that felt very sexual for sure. Yeah,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: so I just even though it's just like close ups
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: on their socks yea. Even so, like I think it's
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: pretty fascinating, and does this movie handle queer culture super well?
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: And is it super responsible? I would argue, like, you know,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: it's it could be worse, it could be better. But
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: the fact that you do see like a same sex
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: male sex scene in this movie, when that almost never happens,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: and it's and they then get married, Yeah, they're like
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: in love. It's not just like, oh I experimented right right, Yeah,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: I can't get beautiful. It's it's like really hot and
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: then later it's beautiful. Great, what's a journey that one day? Yeah?
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: I mean as a straight person, I see scenes like
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: this and I'm like, there's probably something problematic here, but
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know quite what it is because I'm like
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: seeing it through the lens of a straight lady. But
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: if any listeners have additional thoughts on this scene, please
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: let us know, yes, yes, yes, please, if anyone just
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: wants to talk about it, if anyone just wants to
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: watch the scene with us. We really like the scene
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: that we think it's very hot, yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Who else do we have to talk about? We could
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: talk about Gene. I don't know, I mean Gene is
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: the lunchman. The lunchman there, I mean there, It's It's
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: it's hard with a movie like this because I could
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: say perhaps that they are because he his whole storyline
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: is he when he got back from Vietnam, he was different,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: and so his whole storyline is a veteran PTSD joke
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: that's worth saying, and how he has multiple personnelity like
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: it plays multiple personality disorder as a jog, that plays
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: PTSD as a jug, It plays being a veteran as
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: a joke. It portrays veterans that are crazy, but then
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: it's portraying veterans that have mental illness but are also
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: really cool with it, which is not really a realistic
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: portrayal of anything in the world of the movie. I
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: honestly don't know where to fall on it, but it's
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: worth acknowledging that his whole character is a big PTSD
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: mental illness joke and that has maybe manifested into like
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: some interesting kink things that he is now into fondling
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: sweaters and having Dick cook cream and so yeah, the
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: way that whole thing is handled hallucination is in the
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: form of a stron Benjamin. I would argue that that
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: character is real and a camper at the camp. I
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: think that can of vegetables is I think. I think
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: our vegetable listeners are cans of vegetable listeners, of which
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: we have many. Sorry if I made you not feel seen, right,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: I think, Um, they're real and we need to respect
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: them as they are. My deepest apologies. It's okay. Um, yeah,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: I think that we touched on every There's one other
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: named female character of the adults, and there might be
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: some like of the campers the kids, but um, they
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: so rarely play into the story that yeah, the character right. Um,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: there's Nancy, the nurse. She works at the infirmary. The
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: big moment that she she has a few moments. She
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: like basically has to remind several adults what a library
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: is and how do you use it? I forgot about that.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: And she goes up to Beth whenever Beth is saying
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: that she's going to go into town, and Nancy says,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: if you're going into town, can you pick me up
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: something at the drug store. My husband's coming today and
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: I need some lube for my pussy. Uh does that
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: seem pass the bacto test? We'll find out, but stay tuned. Yea.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: So she is also extremely horny and sexual. So another
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: example of a sexually liberated progressive gal in the movie.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: And I guess she's meant to be older if she
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: has a husband, because I feel like some of the
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: characters are like some are older. Gail, Yeah, Gail, who
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: is like married and divorced, and Nancy must be so
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: they're not like the counselors who are like, you know,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: these sixteen year old kids. But um, yeah, I mean
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: there's hardly anything to say about her aside from the
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: fact that she is very horny and wants to have
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: sex with her husband. Everyone in this movie is very horny.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: An equal opportunity you know, provider. Yeah, yeah, I mean
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: I support that. Literally every person in this movie can
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: of vegetables is horny for someone. He said something. He
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: sucks his own dick, So there's like, I do it.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: This is the dumbest movie, but so fun, so much fun.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other thoughts about the representation of
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: women in White Hot American Summer? I think pretty good. Well,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: let's talk about whether or not this movie passes the
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: backtel test. By everything I could tell for sure, it
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: does a lot of different times. Yes, I don't know,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: so by our standard, we just need a two line exchange.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: So it's a low bar for us. Uh And yet
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: so many movies don't bother to even try. But there's
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: a scene um in like the arts and crafts classroom
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: between Gail and then Valerie is named um. Valerie is like, hey,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: we could draw with some markers and carols like listen, Valerie,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: I need you to be helpful here. I do not
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: need you to undermine me, and felleries like but there's
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: only one crayon, like we could color with these hundreds
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: of colored markers, and then Gail starts sobbing. But does
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: that count because there are there are male campers in
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: the scene? Um, right, for the way that we do it,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: our interpretation of it, it does. Okay, I played by
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: your rules. And the first time I had it counting
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: was there's like a very dumb exchange between Beth and
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Nancy where like Beth says, like, we got through another
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: summer except for a couple of kids who became lepers,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: and then Nancy says, good one. Beth, You're like, yeah,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: that's technically fast unless the campers who are now lepers
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: were all boys. We don't. Uh. Then there's that scene
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: between Beth and Katie that is the text of it is, yeah, Katie,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: you're hot, right, But that's about seducing a man, right,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: that one I in the subtext it's it's tricky, I
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: don't know this one. Ann is never mentioned until the
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: very end of that conversation, which this conversation maybe like
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: a minute or too long. So it's Katie's like, you dog,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: you have a crush on someone, and she's like, I
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: do have a crash. I just don't think he's interested.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: But up until that part of the conversation, a man
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: is not mentioned. But you're right the whole but we
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: know why she's asked. The subtext of that conversation is
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: so that she can be more physically appealing to a man.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: So I would say that does not pass for that reason. Um,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: and let's say that that context isn't there, and they're
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: just talking about, like how do I be more hot
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: to feel better about myself? They are talking about clothes. Pants.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Pants get brought up a lot. It's like, what is
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: this the sisterhood of the Traveling Pants? Um, unbelievable reference.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: You're welcome, and yeah, they talked about like clothes and
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: hair and like, you know, stereotypically feminine things. Um so
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: still not great even if it did. There's another Beth
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: and Nancy passing moment where Beth that's Nancy what? And
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: again it is the subtext would be she's getting something
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: to impress David. I'd pierce on paper. She asked Nancy
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: where she would find a book and Nancy tells her
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: a library, right, and then she's just like, all right,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: great work. So that passes. But again, yeah, Beth is
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: asking so that she can impress a man. So with
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: the subtext, I would say it does not pass. I
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: don't know, it's just a man. It's almost as if
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: the BECO test is imperfect and not the greatest litmus test.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Let's see there's an Oh, there's a scene between Susie
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: and Beth. It's after Beth is like, hey, like, nerdy camper,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: why don't you do something at the talent show? And
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Susie's like, how dare you ussert my authority? I've been
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: busting my balls to make this thing great and everything's
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: still a mess and the kids are a bunch of amateurs.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: So she's like going on this long tirade to Beth,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: but Beth never responds, so that all that doesn't I
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: would say, actually that this movie does not pass. That's
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: what I thought, because of all of the sub subtext.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah but wait, what was the one? There was one
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: where you guys commit the one about the crayons and
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: the markers. But that scene. But I think if we're
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: going in on the subtext, that series of lines is
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: just a run Yeah, that's a run up to her
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: person into tears over her ex husband. Right, Yeah, she's
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: breaking down emotionally because she's so distraught because of her husband.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that that whole the subtext there is still
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: revolving around a man. So let's say this. If you're
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: just reading a lot of these conversations on paper and
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: don't know the subtext of them at all, the movie
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: would technically pass a few times. But when you add
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: then the subtext back in, all of those conversations have
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: to do with a man, which, as you said, it
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: makes sense. This is a movie about romance, largely hetero romance,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: so it makes sense that you know, if women are talking,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: it's because of a romantic interest in some regard so yeah,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I would say that with subtexts, the
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: movie does not pass. I'd still say it's rather progressive
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: for the time age. Yeah, so well, let's let's write
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: the movie on our nipple scale zero to five nipples
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: is our range, and we rate based on its portrayal
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: and representation of women. I would say, for me, it's
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: weird because this movie is so silly and so stupid that,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: like I said, it's hard to take anything kind of
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: at face value because the intent of the filmmakers is
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: often not very clear. The jokes kind of maybe undermine
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: some of the stuff. And it's like, does this movie
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: have so many horny women in it because the filmmaker
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: wanted to portray like a sex positive narrative of like
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: female characters like owning their sexual reality. Or is it
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: because the filmmaker just wanted to have like a bunch
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: of horny teens, Because that's funny, kind of hard to say.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: What does come across? Is it? Maybe? I can't think? Okay,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: so let's say it's both because there's no there's no
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: slut shaming. That's true. Normally, when it's just the second one,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: there would be some of like oh, she's a horror
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: you know, and there's not there's none of that. I
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: mean compared, there's a bit too abby. There's a few
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: moments where they're like, she's the sluttiest girly camp. There's
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: a few true if you compare this movie to like
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Sleepaway Camp, which is another movie about teens away at
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: a summer camp and very different genre, but in that
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: movie you follow the tropes of like, any women who
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: have sex get murdered because horror movie. Um so at least,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: and that's just you know, a way of like shaming
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: women for having sexuality. Basically, so, um at least no
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: women getting murdered in this movie, so and that stuff.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: For that, I give it five nipples. No, I would say,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give us like a two and a half.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: It's progressive for its time, but it's I don't think
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: this movie is going out of its way to like
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: be progressive or toold make any profound statements about like
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: gender politics or anything like that. I think because of
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: the movie being is like silly as it is, it's
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: sort of by accident, has some like interesting female characters
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: who have agency over their own sexuality and things like that.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: But we also see, you know, fairly well fleshed out
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: female characters in like Beth and her being in charge
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: and like the respected leader in the community, stuff like that.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: It's nice, But I also think that it's just it's
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: almost too stupid to be like a movie that we
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: can classify as a feminist text. I would argue that
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: that that's not fair, Like I don't think that you
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: can you can say that based on a genre, Like
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: I think if a movie follows through on like what
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: type of movie it is, it can still be excellent
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: as that type of movie. Sure, And this is not
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: to say that I'm putting comedies in this. This is
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: a broad, absurdist comment. But I think that it's still,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: like I'm going to rate it three point five interesting, Okay.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: I think that that Beth very easily could have been
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: a male character and she wasn't. And she's the leader
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: of the entire camp, and she's like our our backbone
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: of the story, and I like her as a character.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: And I also like how sex positive the movie is
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: and how progressive it is about that the gay couple.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: The perfect I mean, because this movie happened the world's
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: most perfect scene was to film, and for that we
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: have to be grateful. I'm gonna hit with three for
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: all the affirmation. I mean, it is great to see
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: like a teen female character like embracer sexuality and not
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: be punished. Especially I think that was a really good
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: point gal of like in the context of Camp, where
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: teenage girls are always punished for sexuality at camp. Something
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: with our Listen to our Friday the thirteenth episode where
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: we talk a lot about murder Camp. Uh. Yeah, so
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: it's good to see a bunch of horny nastiness. That's great.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love that scene. Obviously, it is
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: the whitest movie of all times worth mentioning. But for
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: I agree, especially considering this came out in two thousand one,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like, as far as two thousand one goes,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: this is pretty much as good as it's going to get.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: My rating was for two thousand and one because the
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: ethnicity issues, like the diversity issues are huge in Again,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: I've only seen the Netflix series of this, like the
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: I think the first day of Camp I've seen. I
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: think I watched that the whole way through. They'd introduce
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: a few new characters. I can't remember if any of
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: them are people of color or I think it stays
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: pretty white. We found the fatal flaw right and this
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: otherwise perfect movie. Yeah, So I'm gonna go to two
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: point five nipples and I'm going to um give mine
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: aipples to one to McKinley, one to Beth, and my
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: half nipple will go to Susie because I appreciated that
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: she was an artistic director of talent, which is something
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: that I used to do. So like I really identified
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: with prayer. I know I'm gonna give I had three,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: Give one to Beth and give one to Abby, and
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give one to Gale. All right, ye would
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: you like to give your nipples away rewards? Give one
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: to Beth, one to McKinley, one to Katie, and then
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: half to Susie. Great, cool, excellent, Allison, Thank you so
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: much for being here. Where can people follow you? What
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: would you like to plug? I'd love to plug my
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  Speaker 1: my own podcast, Gossip, which is a scripted comedy um
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  Speaker 1: that's available wherever you can find podcasts. You can also
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: go to Gossip podcast dot com, and then you can
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  Speaker 1: find me personally at Alice and Raskin wherever, and then
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  Speaker 1: my YouTube channel is just between us and my book
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  Speaker 1: is I Hate everyone but you and just between is
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  Speaker 1: with a friend of the cast, Gabby Done. Yeah, same
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  Speaker 1: with the book awesome. You can follow the backtel Cast
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  Speaker 1: on social media, you can write and review us on iTunes,
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  Speaker 1: you can go to our website backtel cast dot com,
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  Speaker 1: and you can subscribe to our Matreon gets you to
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  Speaker 1: bonus episodes every month, and it's only five dollars a month. Well,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: shall we all go off and be horny at camp? Yeah?
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: All right, I'll see you there. Okay, bye bye