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Speaker 1: He's the report it tonight.
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Speaker 2: And a new report confirms the olbanies of governments and
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Speaker 2: that zero Plans are in big trouble. And Australian children
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Speaker 2: were today kicked off social media. The Prime Minister said
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Speaker 2: he was giving power back to parents. Was it power
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Speaker 2: to his government? The Federal opposition works out a new
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Speaker 2: immigration program, let's hope, while Donald Trump announces his own
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Speaker 2: it's a travel ban on people from countries he doesn't like.
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Speaker 1: I didn't say all you did.
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Speaker 2: And a new poll gives the verdict on the stunt
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Speaker 2: that commentators said would cost Paul In hands and support.
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Speaker 2: I'll give you those stunning results later, but first, and
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Speaker 2: before I get to the latest proof the Abeneze government
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Speaker 2: in Zero Plans are falling. Apart to its newer scandal
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Speaker 2: that just won't go away, we now have four examples
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Speaker 2: of Labor Minister Anika Wells being shot by her own behavior,
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Speaker 2: videos and posts which I'll show you showing how utterly
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Speaker 2: shocked she really is when taxpayers are forced to pay
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Speaker 2: for a boss's lunch unless that lunch is her own,
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Speaker 2: and that's different then. As I've told you before, the
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Speaker 2: Abeze government Sports and Communication Minister is off to a
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Speaker 2: mitchellin Star a restaurant in Paris for the Olympics. Then
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Speaker 2: it's you know, way to drinks all around, more oysters,
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Speaker 2: caviat whatever taxpayer pays. It's this dinner and drinks in
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Speaker 2: Paris last year that dams Wells most completely, more than
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Speaker 2: all her other shameless spending of taxpayer money on herself
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Speaker 2: and a family, like trips of the snow and the
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Speaker 2: sports and con card drivers being made to wait up
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Speaker 2: to ten hours while she was at the tennis and.
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Speaker 1: Free flights friends' party.
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Speaker 2: Now it seems to a labor fundraiser in Sydney as well.
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Speaker 1: No, but this dinner.
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Speaker 2: Is worse, not just because that dinner and the drinks
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Speaker 2: were so inexcusably expensive seventeen hundred dollars according to Wells receipts,
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Speaker 2: but because of wells hypocrisy. You see, it was only
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Speaker 2: this year that Wells was flung the Coalition for promising
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Speaker 2: to let busses claim a business lunch against their tax
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Speaker 2: like this.
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Speaker 3: For instance, we didn't have come up with the cost
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Speaker 3: of living policy that not even the cookie monster would
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Speaker 3: gobble down free.
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Speaker 4: Lunches for bosses paid for by you. The taxpayer. This
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Speaker 4: have you heard abot Peter In this new policy offering,
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Speaker 4: he wants taxpayers to fund business lunches underdetermined expenses for
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Speaker 4: businesses up to ten million bars. The Liberals want government
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Speaker 4: to get you to pay for the boss's lunch.
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Speaker 1: No, Wells was really hot on this point.
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Speaker 5: Here's more, According to the coalitions publicly defined parameters of
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Speaker 5: their own policy, business could spend up to twenty thousand
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Speaker 5: dollars of Elizabeth's own taxpayer funds to attend something like,
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Speaker 5: for example, the Super Bowl, to lather themselves in buffalo
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Speaker 5: wings and baby back ribs, nodding along to Kendrick Lamar,
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Speaker 5: all subsidized by the Australian taxpay.
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Speaker 2: Even back into twenty twenty one, Welles was still you know,
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Speaker 2: she's been going on and like this for ages. She
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Speaker 2: posted this. I don't know about you, but I've had
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Speaker 2: a gutfull of the Morrison government treating taxpayer money like
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Speaker 2: their own looting, rotting piggy bank. So I wonder what
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Speaker 2: Wills was thinking last year when she slugg taxpayers seventeen
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Speaker 2: one hundred dollars for that dinner and drinks in Paris,
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Speaker 2: a splurge that was by the way, just for herself
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Speaker 2: two staff an Australian ambassador. Well Well Today's sister, she'd
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Speaker 2: done nothing wrong with any of this spending and all
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Speaker 2: the other examples I refused to admit it was really
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Speaker 2: a bit over the top.
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Speaker 3: What is clear is people do not want parliamentarians to
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Speaker 3: set these rules. So whatever my opinion is, it shouldn't
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Speaker 3: matter because I should not set the rules. Parlamentarians should
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Speaker 3: not set the rules. These things should and do operate
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Speaker 3: at arm's length for us. My job is to follow
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Speaker 3: the rules I have followed.
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Speaker 2: And some of the excuses I heard made for her today,
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Speaker 2: even on sky, like excuses for her flying her husband
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Speaker 2: to three AFL Grand Finals, two boxing day tests, one
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Speaker 2: ski trip to Threadbow and more, all on her family
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Speaker 2: reunion allowance. Oh you know, but this kept her in contact,
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Speaker 2: this working mum with a family while he's busy doing
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Speaker 2: government business. Really, watching sports is work now? And if
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Speaker 2: it was a family reunion, why did Wells most homes
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Speaker 2: leave the kids back home? Then there were the usual
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Speaker 2: excuses that here made for powerful leftist women when they
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Speaker 2: get into strife. You know, all the criticism of her
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Speaker 2: failings that's gendered the promise to himself played that gender
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Speaker 2: card today.
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Speaker 6: One of the issues of mister Wells, for example, has
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Speaker 6: three young children, so you go birth to twins while
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Speaker 6: in office.
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Speaker 7: I think it's a good thing.
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Speaker 6: That Parliament is more representative than it used to be.
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Speaker 6: People have a long time away from their families, from
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Speaker 6: their children, and from their partners.
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Speaker 2: I don't think the rules in place for that. An
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Speaker 2: excuse of the criticism was gendered. Let let's take pityon
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Speaker 2: a poor working mom of twins. It really does break
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Speaker 2: down when you think, particularly of that dinner in Paris.
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Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, does anyone seriously think that we wouldn't
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Speaker 2: care if it was a male politician spending seventeen hundred
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Speaker 2: dollars of our money on himself at a fancy.
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Speaker 1: Restaurant, as if.
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Speaker 2: Navil Wells herself once flayed a man of Scott Morrison
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Speaker 2: and his ministers for you remember, for treating taxpayer money
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Speaker 2: like their own looting, rotting piggybank. Well Wells wouldn't accept
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Speaker 2: it from a man, so why should any of us
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Speaker 2: accept it from a woman?
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Speaker 1: Now?
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Speaker 2: Today more proof that the Albanezi governments and A zero
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Speaker 2: plans they are collapsing. The Strand Energy Market Operator or
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Speaker 2: a EMO, today released its annual roadmap on how to
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Speaker 2: get to net zero. That that's the government's big wish,
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Speaker 2: and there are warning lights flashing all over the place.
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Speaker 2: I'll give you three of them. One EMO last year
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Speaker 2: thought that we could close our last coal fire power
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Speaker 2: station by twenty thirty eight, just thirteen years from now.
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Speaker 2: Now it says, whoops, we'll still need coal power for
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Speaker 2: another eleven years after that in Queensland, which wreckons it
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Speaker 2: can't afford or find the green.
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Speaker 1: Energy it would need.
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Speaker 2: Instead, a second warning sign MEMO now admits its estimate
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Speaker 2: for the cost of going to net zero by twenty
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Speaker 2: fifty they're wrong again. The cost of the transmission network alone,
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Speaker 2: the thousands of kilometers of wires to hook up all
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Speaker 2: these wind and solar plants says we'll double in real
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Speaker 2: terms double and only got it wrong by one hundred percent.
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Speaker 1: And the third big warning among many.
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Speaker 2: The cost of wind generators also shut up and communities
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Speaker 2: tape them, investors are backing off them. So EMO slashed
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Speaker 2: its guess of how much extra wind power will need
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Speaker 2: to meet the governed submission target by twenty thirty and
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Speaker 2: claims it will find even more solar approaches and batteries
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Speaker 2: somehow to make good the shortfall.
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Speaker 1: Yeah right.
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Speaker 2: Batteries, by the way, only store power, they don't generate it.
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Speaker 8: The cost of wind has increased over the past two years,
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Speaker 8: The cost of transmission has also increased, the cost of
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Speaker 8: solar has come down, the cost of batteries has come down,
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Speaker 8: and we're seeing greater momentum in home batteries as well.
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Speaker 8: And so the inputs into this analysis have changed. You'd
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Speaker 8: expect that with wind being a little bit more expensive,
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Speaker 8: solar and storage being a little bit less expensive, then
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Speaker 8: there is less wind and more solar and storage.
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Speaker 1: And there's more in this report.
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Speaker 2: You know, bold predictions that eighty percent of our passenger
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Speaker 2: cars will be electric twenty fifty, I say bold, But
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Speaker 2: that's still way down from the ninety seven percent the
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Speaker 2: government had expected.
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Speaker 1: So something that's not going right there.
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Speaker 2: And then there's a belief that you'll be happy to
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Speaker 2: keep digging into your own pockets and spend fifty billion
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Speaker 2: dollars on home battery, solar panels and ev charges. But
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Speaker 2: there's one other thing I want to call out. Why
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Speaker 2: are we even doing this when we know none of
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Speaker 2: it will make any noticeable difference to the climate. As
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Speaker 2: a former chief startist have said, Well, the government keeps
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Speaker 2: telling you don't worry because wind and solar are the
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Speaker 2: cheapest form of new energy.
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Speaker 1: A EMO has said so.
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Speaker 2: For this EEMO report does not say that you are
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Speaker 2: being lied to. This report says only and multiple times,
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Speaker 2: that renewable energy, firmed with storage, backed up by gas,
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Speaker 2: and connected by upgraded networks presents the least cost way
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Speaker 2: to supply secure and reliable electricity to consumers while meeting
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Speaker 2: government policies, which means renewables only the cheapest if you
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Speaker 2: have to cut a missions and at zero as the
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Speaker 2: government says, and I doubt that even then it is
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Speaker 2: the cheapest. Joining me Isaid Morrison, director of Energy research
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Speaker 2: at the Center for Independent Studies, aiden great to see you. Look,
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Speaker 2: you're a very knowledgeable man in this area. What did
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Speaker 2: this report tell you when you read through it?
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Speaker 9: The sad thing about this report in its current state
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Speaker 9: is that tells you absolutely nothing about the reality of
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Speaker 9: what actually is going to happen to our grid. What
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Speaker 9: it tells you only is what the government's hopes and
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Speaker 9: dreams are for what might happen to the grid. And
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Speaker 9: they really are just hopes and dreams, and we're starting
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Speaker 9: to see that exposed more and more every day. For example,
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Speaker 9: to reach that eighty two percent target by twenty thirty,
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Speaker 9: as you pointed out, we need to build in just
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Speaker 9: four years more wind and solar at a grid scale
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Speaker 9: than we've built in the last fifteen or twenty. There
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Speaker 9: is just no one serious who anymore who thinks that's
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Speaker 9: plausible to happen. Investment's been falling off. There's been less
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Speaker 9: investment in this new projects over the last couple of years,
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Speaker 9: and yet the pace at which we're projected to build
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Speaker 9: them is accelerating rapidly each two years goes by. And
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Speaker 9: so it tells us nothing about reality. It only tells
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Speaker 9: us about the wishes and dreams of what the government
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Speaker 9: wants to happen. And that's a really disastrous thing for
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Speaker 9: what should be a core planning document that forces us
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Speaker 9: to spend lots of money on the supporting infrastructure like transmission.
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Speaker 1: So why has it all gone so wrong? What are
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Speaker 1: the problems here?
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Speaker 2: I mentioned a doubling of the costs of the transmission network,
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Speaker 2: extra costs on wind farms, more community opposition.
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Speaker 1: What's the big picture here.
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Speaker 9: Look, I think at the very start of a transition
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Speaker 9: towards renewables, people get a false sense of hope for what.
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Speaker 1: It could do.
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Speaker 9: Because the very beginning of renewable energy, the start is
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Speaker 9: not too hard because there's some spare capacity in the
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Speaker 9: grid and the networks. There's spare capacity in our big
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Speaker 9: thermal generators they can dial down a little bit just
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Speaker 9: to make some room for the renewable energy to go
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Speaker 9: into the grid. So at the start things proceed relatively easily.
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Speaker 9: But what hasn't been grasped, and this is what's gone
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Speaker 9: badly wrong, is this period is simply a honeymoon. Okay,
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Speaker 9: at some point you end up with so much wind
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Speaker 9: and solar in the grid. And we're already at this
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Speaker 9: point where you have too much wind and solar at
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Speaker 9: some times and places, and still not enough at other
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Speaker 9: times in places, And then the hard work starts. Then
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Speaker 9: you have to start moving energy around through space using
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Speaker 9: extra big transmission lines, through time, using batteries, and there's
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Speaker 9: more technical problems as well, And we're just hitting that
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Speaker 9: point now where the honeymoon is over and the serious
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Speaker 9: costs are hitting us, and our previous expectations about what
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Speaker 9: look like relatively easy progress are not coming to pass,
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Speaker 9: and yet we're not readjusting our expectations and reconsidering the
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Speaker 9: path that we've considered.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's it seems to me a failing of all revolutionaries.
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Speaker 2: They never work out that things don't always go to plan,
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Speaker 2: and they almost never do. Just try to pack for
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Speaker 2: a picnic without forgetting something. But here we go revolution
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Speaker 2: that needs reality and falls apart. I think it's now
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Speaker 2: too late aiden to fix all the damage without a
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Speaker 2: lot of money now being spent. But what sources of
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Speaker 2: new electricity do we need to look at in a hurry?
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Speaker 2: Is the government right more wind and solar because that's
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Speaker 2: the cheapest, or should we looking at nuclear coal?
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Speaker 1: What would you look at?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, look, you're absolutely right. What the government's claimed, or
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Speaker 9: what this report has claimed, is that we had the
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Speaker 9: right direction. We just need to do it better and harder, faster,
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Speaker 9: more of the same, and it'll somehow get better, which
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Speaker 9: quite frankly is not going to be the case. So
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Speaker 9: to make a system that stays low cost, what you
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Speaker 9: need to have is you need to have reliable thermal
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Speaker 9: generators that have dig spinning turbines in them at the
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Speaker 9: strong points in the grid that we already have. So
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Speaker 9: what that looks like for sure is probably more coal
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Speaker 9: until you're able to replace that eventually with nuclear, and
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Speaker 9: nuclear I think would be an excellent like for like replacement.
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Speaker 9: You can't rush it. Of course, gas might also be
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Speaker 9: able to help and have a role in there. Emissions
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Speaker 9: intensive than coal, but I don't think it is going
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Speaker 9: to be lower cost in the very long term than
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Speaker 9: coal and nuclear. So we have to basically put a
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Speaker 9: big pause on this adventurous project to get huge amounts
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Speaker 9: of weather dependent energy from far away, away from all
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Speaker 9: the place we've generated in electricity before, and try to
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Speaker 9: basically preserve and keep an increase the steady, reliable electricity
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Speaker 9: that we've got in the existing strong points. Because any
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Speaker 9: engineer will tell you steady state is an engineer's friend
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Speaker 9: things that produce consistently and reliably a lot of power
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Speaker 9: coming from a little bit of machinery. What we're building
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Speaker 9: now is the opposite. It's a lot of power that
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Speaker 9: comes from a stupendously large amount. So that's why it's
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Speaker 9: going to be high coldin Morrison.
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Speaker 1: You haven't said it to so say it for you.
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Speaker 2: You did tell us this would not work and we're
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Speaker 2: going to see it in very slow motion.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's not just that Anika Wells who's giving
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister a headache, or the rising power prices
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Speaker 2: we've been talking about.
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Speaker 1: There's also now the economy.
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Speaker 2: It's not going as the government thought or hoped, inflation
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Speaker 2: rising again, and yesterday the Reserve Bank governor warned the
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Speaker 2: next movement in your interest rates your mortgages is likely
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Speaker 2: to be up, not down.
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Speaker 10: We didn't consider the case for a rate cut at all.
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Speaker 10: We didn't explicitly consider the case for a rate rise
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Speaker 10: at this meeting, but we did consider and discuss quite
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Speaker 10: a lot the circumstances and what might need to happen
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Speaker 10: if we would decide that interest rates had to rise
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Speaker 10: again at some point next year.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is the political panel, Camery Milner, former chief
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Speaker 2: of Staff, the Labor leader Bill Shorten, now Director of
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Speaker 2: g XO Strategies, and Michael cost the former New South
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Speaker 2: Wales Labor Treasurer. Michael what is the biggest problem for
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Speaker 2: the government is at Anika Wells, is that this energy
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Speaker 2: report we were just discussing, or the Reserve Bank warning
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Speaker 2: that rates next year could be rising again.
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Speaker 11: I think it's the cost of living, Andrew, and every
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Speaker 11: one of those issues rolls into that Anika Wells.
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Speaker 12: I mean, look, she's living high on the hog when
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Speaker 12: people are struggling. And you know, I'm sick of hearing
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Speaker 12: about politicians working hard. I've been in that job, and
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Speaker 12: I've been in other jobs.
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Speaker 11: I can tell you yes, there is a lot of time,
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Speaker 11: but there's also a lot of downtime too. Parliament doesn't sit,
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Speaker 11: you know, twenty four to seven. And there are other jobs,
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Speaker 11: you know, nurses, emergency service workers even though poor fellows
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Speaker 11: out there on the weekend, the volunteer firefighters where we
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Speaker 11: lost a life.
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Speaker 12: You know, these are tough jobs too that people give
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Speaker 12: up time.
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Speaker 11: And I'm sick of hearing from people that are earning
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Speaker 11: four hundred thousand dollars before expenses how tough it is. Look,
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Speaker 11: the problem there is Albo. If he doesn't change those rules,
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Speaker 11: he'll wear this all the way through. I think there's
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Speaker 11: a reluctance on the opposition to pursue it because clearly
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Speaker 11: they're in the hog is in the trough as well.
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Speaker 11: So I think it's cost of living, and you know
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Speaker 11: this notion that the rebates.
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Speaker 12: Are going to come off. I'll see how long that lasts.
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Speaker 11: With those reports showing that you just quite rightly pointed
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Speaker 11: to the power prices are going to go up, I'll
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Speaker 11: see them coming back in early next year. The budgets
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Speaker 11: in trouble CPI clearly means no interest rate cuts unless
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Speaker 11: unemployment goes up. And if unemployment goes up, they're in
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Speaker 11: a heap of trouble. So it's all cost of living
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Speaker 11: andrew and arrogance at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Now, I think you're right they are linked to Cameron.
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Speaker 2: Of those three problems, I would have thought that Wells
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Speaker 2: would be the easiest one to fix. I mean, you
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Speaker 2: know Sacker, which seems to be exactly what some of
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Speaker 2: her enemies in the government intended, because there's a lot
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Speaker 2: of people thinking that they believe that some of the
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Speaker 2: leaks at least are.
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Speaker 1: Coming from her own side.
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Speaker 13: Way, is that she sacked Well No, I've got to
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Speaker 13: defend Anaka. I mean, Anika is my local member. I'm
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Speaker 13: actually got the benefitually seeing her as a really hard
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Speaker 13: working local, much harder than a much much harder local
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Speaker 13: work of her predecessor in the in Lily. So no, look,
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Speaker 13: I think she's got seriously Andrew Wayne's one. Yes, so
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Speaker 13: it wasn't that it was a low But the issue
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Speaker 13: here is the issue here is she was It was
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Speaker 13: well known, she was at Grand Fund, well known, she
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Speaker 13: was boxing as does Minister for Sport. That was her portfolio.
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Speaker 13: She brought her husband and children with her. I think
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Speaker 13: that's a good thing that she's done. But the scandal,
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Speaker 13: it's really breaking tonight. Andrew is the one of the
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Speaker 13: Australian in the front page of The Australia, which is
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Speaker 13: that Sarah Hanson Young, the great hypocrite from the Greens.
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Speaker 13: Her husband is a fully fledged, high flying lobbyist and
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Speaker 13: she appears to have flown him to work in Canberra
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Speaker 13: where he works as a lobbyist for big companies, and
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Speaker 13: flowing him back home again. Now, if he did a
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Speaker 13: single moment of lobbying for clients while the taxpayers funded
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Speaker 13: and facilitated that, then that's a huge, huge scandal and
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Speaker 13: that could be breaking in today's Australia.
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Speaker 2: All right now, I'll just think for size the word
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Speaker 2: you used there. If, because we do not know, we
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Speaker 2: make no accusations. If this is since should be asked
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Speaker 2: an answer. Yes, well, I'm sure you're wrong. And one
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Speaker 2: thing you just said there, Cameron, because I don't think
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Speaker 2: he could have flown because you know, contrails global warming.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure she made him write a donkey all the
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Speaker 2: way to Camber or something like that.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Michael, Donald.
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Speaker 2: Trump is now really worrying the Pope, who's getting stuck
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Speaker 2: into world affairs like I don't think i've seen since
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Speaker 2: Pope John Paul two, Saint John Paul now did. The
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Speaker 2: US president has gone back to attacking Ukraine, which I
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Speaker 2: think is very foolish, attacking Ukraine, not Russia, and a
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Speaker 2: savaged Europe in its new security strategy and in a
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Speaker 2: new interview saying it was Europe was committing civilization of
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Speaker 2: Rasia through mass immigration and was weak in defending Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: Hereers, they're not doing a good job.
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Speaker 14: Europe is not doing a good job. In many ways,
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Speaker 14: they're not doing a good job. They talked too much
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Speaker 14: and they're not producing. We're talking about Ukraine and they talk,
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Speaker 14: but they don't produce. Europe they want to be politically correct,
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Speaker 14: and it makes them weak.
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Speaker 15: That's what makes them weak.
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Speaker 1: I think.
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Speaker 16: Unfortunately, some of parts of it that I have seen
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Speaker 16: make a huge change in what was for many, many
20:21
Speaker 16: years true alliance between Europe and the United States. The
20:27
Speaker 16: remarks that are made about Europe also in interviews recently,
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Speaker 16: I think are trying to break apart what I think
20:35
Speaker 16: needs to be a very important alliance today and in
20:37
Speaker 16: the future.
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Speaker 1: Michael Cossa, whose side are you on there?
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Speaker 11: Not on the Post side, that's for sure. I mean,
20:44
Speaker 11: you want to keep to what he's supposed to be
20:47
Speaker 11: good at. I noted that we had the Nicely and
20:51
Speaker 11: the anniversary of the Nicely and Creed, and he's trying
20:54
Speaker 11: to bring the church together, all the different sections of it.
20:57
Speaker 11: He hasn't done too much progress on that. Look, the
21:01
Speaker 11: problem with Trump is it's like everything else. You know,
21:04
Speaker 11: he does a lot of good things, he does a
21:06
Speaker 11: lot of stupid things. And his position on Ukraine is
21:09
Speaker 11: absolutely foolish. You know, he thinks it's a case of
21:13
Speaker 11: you're either for peace or you're a Neocon. Well, there
21:17
Speaker 11: is a sort of middle ground, and that's about the
21:19
Speaker 11: dangers of a peastment.
21:20
Speaker 12: And that's what we're seeing here. And let's not forget Andrew.
21:23
Speaker 11: I mean, the US, the UK, Russia, guaranteed in nineteen
21:28
Speaker 11: ninety four when Ukraine handed over its nuclear weapons. It's
21:31
Speaker 11: sovereignty on the existing borders. Now the US can't walk
21:36
Speaker 11: away from that. They signed an agreement on it. So
21:38
Speaker 11: he's completely wrong on this. The dangers of appeasement are
21:41
Speaker 11: what we ought to be focusing on. And just in
21:44
Speaker 11: another thing, this America first stuff is absolute nonsense. He's
21:48
Speaker 11: surviving on a massive deficit there, a budget deficit and
21:52
Speaker 11: debt that the world has never seen. And the only
21:54
Speaker 11: reason they get away with it is because they've got
21:56
Speaker 11: the reserve currency. And the only reason they've got the
21:58
Speaker 11: reserve currency because they provide a security umbrella for the
22:02
Speaker 11: Western world. Now, if you want to walk away from that,
22:05
Speaker 11: the first country that will suffer.
22:06
Speaker 12: Will be the US. He's just really foolish on this issue.
22:12
Speaker 2: Well it sounds to me actually like you were on
22:13
Speaker 2: another gentleman's side, Cameron Milner the Pope's intervention.
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Speaker 1: There were you cheering it or did you think stay
22:21
Speaker 1: in your lane? No, not at all. I support the Pope.
22:25
Speaker 1: I mean I think the Pope.
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Speaker 13: Trump's any world leader when it comes to talking about
22:29
Speaker 13: peace on earth and goodwill to all people.
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Speaker 1: Andrew I mean, that's the reality.
22:32
Speaker 13: The Church should be speaking for these sorts of things.
22:34
Speaker 13: The Church should be standing up for people in the
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Speaker 13: Ukraine who are suffering from awful attacks where their energy
22:39
Speaker 13: supplies are being attacked. They're going to freeze across the winter. No,
22:43
Speaker 13: the Pope has a role to play, and I think
22:45
Speaker 13: ultimately the Pope Trump's any other world leader when it
22:49
Speaker 13: comes to matters like this, and he should be speaking
22:50
Speaker 13: up on behalf of the church and his role as
22:53
Speaker 13: the Pope.
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Speaker 2: Well, I must say I thought it was refreshing to
22:57
Speaker 2: hear of Pope not waffling on about global warming and
23:00
Speaker 2: like John Paul too was a hero actually talk about
23:04
Speaker 2: practical matters involving people's lives on the line like in there,
23:09
Speaker 2: well again Russia being a focus of at Michael Costa,
23:12
Speaker 2: Cameron Milner, thank you very much to you both.
23:16
Speaker 1: After the break.
23:17
Speaker 2: The children were kicked off social media today, but are
23:21
Speaker 2: they really figuring ways to beat this ban? The Prime
23:29
Speaker 2: Minister is very proud today because thanks to the hint,
23:32
Speaker 2: millions of Australian children were booted off social media today
23:36
Speaker 2: in the world's first ban of children under sixteen.
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Speaker 7: Well, this is a day in which my pride to
23:45
Speaker 7: be Prime Minister of Australia has never been greater. This
23:50
Speaker 7: is world leading, This is Australia showing enough is enough.
23:57
Speaker 7: It is about our family taking back control. Technology can
24:03
Speaker 7: have an amazing impact of making our life easier, but
24:08
Speaker 7: it is important as technology develops that humans keep control.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's not really families taking control, it's the government now.
24:22
Speaker 2: The ban on children is for social media platforms Facebook,
24:26
Speaker 2: kick threads, Instagram, Reddit, Snapchat, TikTok.
24:30
Speaker 1: Twitch x and YouTube.
24:33
Speaker 2: And it's up to those companies that kick off the
24:34
Speaker 2: kids or pay nearly fifty million dollar fines. Although already
24:40
Speaker 2: many children were switching this morning to platforms not yet
24:44
Speaker 2: covered by this band, making sites like Lemonade, Jope and
24:49
Speaker 2: cover Star the top three apps downloaded this morning, and
24:52
Speaker 2: other children claim to have dodged the band by pulling
24:55
Speaker 2: faces during facial recognition checks and things like that. But
24:59
Speaker 2: that is not for long, said the Communications Minister.
25:03
Speaker 3: And because you've had your older brother scanned their face
25:06
Speaker 3: for you today, which has brought you a bit of time,
25:08
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that these accounts aren't going to see you
25:10
Speaker 3: talking to other fourteen year olds tonight about the under
25:13
Speaker 3: sixteen soccer carnival on the weekend, about your upcoming school
25:16
Speaker 3: holidays and what your year ten teacher is next year.
25:19
Speaker 3: They have so many points of data on you. If
25:21
Speaker 3: your VPN overnight has switched to OSLO, but you have
25:25
Speaker 3: for the past few months or years been posting photos
25:27
Speaker 3: from the sunny coast on Queensland, they know speaking that.
25:31
Speaker 2: These social media platforms know so much about you. Joining
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Speaker 2: me is top tech guru Trevor Long, Trevor, great to
25:38
Speaker 2: see you again. Thanks so much for your time. We're
25:41
Speaker 2: not even one day in. I know, but can you
25:45
Speaker 2: already tell how effective this span is going to be?
25:50
Speaker 17: I think it's pretty obvious, and Andrew.
25:52
Speaker 18: Look, there's a lot of kids that are being used
25:53
Speaker 18: in the media advocating for this, that they're happy that
25:56
Speaker 18: it switched off and all those things. But if you
25:58
Speaker 18: talk on in actual play grounds and are around the
26:01
Speaker 18: school gates, kids are talking about how they are getting
26:04
Speaker 18: around it and how they're using different platforms, the existing platforms. Honestly,
26:10
Speaker 18: it's a little bit of posturing more than anything else.
26:13
Speaker 18: It's got great intention, do not get me wrong. And
26:15
Speaker 18: I believe that the next generation, and when I say generation,
26:18
Speaker 18: I mean.
26:19
Speaker 17: Just five years worth of kids.
26:21
Speaker 18: You know, the kids that are eight and nine and
26:22
Speaker 18: six and seven now are going to benefit from this
26:25
Speaker 18: this pushback, which is great.
26:27
Speaker 17: But the kids.
26:27
Speaker 18: Today that at thirteen, fourteen or fifteen have been on
26:30
Speaker 18: social media, they're doing exactly what the minister said. They're
26:34
Speaker 18: getting someone else to scan their face. And it's proven
26:36
Speaker 18: that even the best attempts by Snapchat, for example, to
26:40
Speaker 18: give age verification to kids. My daughter fifteen on Snapchat
26:44
Speaker 18: just scanned her face and it said you're good to go.
26:47
Speaker 17: She's not sixteen.
26:48
Speaker 18: My son who's fourteen, cut as a button, does not
26:51
Speaker 18: look sixteen, but Snapchat said you look sixteen. The technology
26:55
Speaker 18: is not strong enough to actually identify these children, and
26:58
Speaker 18: the government has no that all along. Their own six
27:02
Speaker 18: million dollar trial proved that. So it's kind of weird
27:04
Speaker 18: that we're so joyous about this day when not much
27:08
Speaker 18: is actually changing today.
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Speaker 1: Trevor.
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Speaker 2: I don't think your children are going to thank you
27:13
Speaker 2: for alerting the social media giants to them getting around
27:16
Speaker 2: their band. But let's just pretend you didn't say that.
27:21
Speaker 2: I understand, Trevor, why many people wanted this span. You know,
27:25
Speaker 2: the peer pressure on young users.
27:27
Speaker 1: The bullying online.
27:29
Speaker 2: The suicides, alas the predators hiding behind fake identities.
27:34
Speaker 1: I get all that, but I.
27:36
Speaker 2: Also wonder about these socially isolated children firm social media
27:40
Speaker 2: was their best way of making friends or forming networks,
27:44
Speaker 2: keeping in touch.
27:46
Speaker 1: What's your view about all this?
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Speaker 17: That's the biggest thing I worry about.
27:52
Speaker 18: There's two core worries that I haven't Firstly, as those
27:54
Speaker 18: group of kids, and it might be a small minority,
27:56
Speaker 18: but what happened to having vocal minorities in this world
28:00
Speaker 18: drive so many agendas in politics?
28:02
Speaker 17: Those kids that maybe they're the library kids at.
28:04
Speaker 18: Lunchtime, they don't have a big cohort of mates at school,
28:07
Speaker 18: but when they go home, they're on social media, or
28:09
Speaker 18: they're they're on platforms and they're they're live chatting, or
28:12
Speaker 18: they're chatting in text with people they've known in other
28:15
Speaker 18: suburbs that just have a shared interest that's being ripped
28:19
Speaker 18: away from them. And then you talk about the kids
28:21
Speaker 18: that are going to be pushed.
28:22
Speaker 17: Off these platforms.
28:23
Speaker 18: Legitimately they'll go somewhere else Andrew, they will go to Discord,
28:28
Speaker 18: which is a vibrant platform for chat and will be
28:33
Speaker 18: an absolute hive for bullying and horrible.
28:37
Speaker 17: Activity by kids.
28:38
Speaker 18: Because kids are kids, It's going to happen on other platforms.
28:41
Speaker 18: So the last thing we want is parents going it's
28:43
Speaker 18: all good. The government's got this under control. That is
28:46
Speaker 18: the worst thing a parent can think right now, because
28:48
Speaker 18: their kids are going somewhere else that doesn't have parental
28:51
Speaker 18: controls and maybe as big, if not a bigger problem
28:55
Speaker 18: than the platforms we've already got today.
28:58
Speaker 2: Well, it all comes again to parental control, which should
29:03
Speaker 2: have applied before as well as now. The Prime Minister
29:07
Speaker 2: is making much of the fact that the world is
29:10
Speaker 2: now looking on where the first others want to do it.
29:13
Speaker 2: It's all very exciting Australia leaving the world. Do you
29:16
Speaker 2: think the world's going to follow Australia's lead?
29:21
Speaker 18: I think the world is looking And if you look
29:23
Speaker 18: at the European Union, their parliament resolved that this should happen.
29:27
Speaker 17: But let's be clear, they don't have the ability to
29:29
Speaker 17: make this legislation.
29:30
Speaker 18: The individual countries do, but they've already looked at it
29:33
Speaker 18: differently and said under thirteen's banned, but thirteen to sixteen
29:36
Speaker 18: year olds parents should be involved. And if the parent
29:39
Speaker 18: is involved, like I was, with my kids. When they
29:41
Speaker 18: turned thirteen, their accounts will link to mind. I had
29:44
Speaker 18: profile setups, I had restrictions because all those things existed.
29:48
Speaker 17: If a parent is willing to be engaged, let them parent.
29:51
Speaker 18: If the parents are not willing to be engaged, I'm
29:54
Speaker 18: all for the kids being restricted by the technology. So
29:58
Speaker 18: let's let parents be parents as well as letting kids
30:00
Speaker 18: be kids.
30:03
Speaker 2: Trevor Long, always great to talk to you, Thank you
30:05
Speaker 2: so much. After the break, Donald Trump warns Europe that
30:09
Speaker 2: mass immigration is making it too weak. In the way
30:12
Speaker 2: he expresses himself, wow, The federal opposition's brains trust was
30:21
Speaker 2: today working out their new immigration policy.
30:24
Speaker 1: They'll tell us later.
30:25
Speaker 2: When they finished grilling Anika Wells. They're working out how
30:32
Speaker 2: to how much to cut mass immigration, but also how
30:37
Speaker 2: far to go on keeping out people less likely to
30:39
Speaker 2: be assimilated. Now in America, there has been on that front,
30:45
Speaker 2: no holding back of Donald Trump, certainly not in this
30:49
Speaker 2: big rally overnight.
30:52
Speaker 19: I've also announced a permanent pause on third world migration,
30:56
Speaker 19: including from hell holes like Afghanistan, Haiti, Somalia, and many
31:01
Speaker 19: other countries.
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Speaker 1: I didn't say, oh you did.
31:15
Speaker 2: Oh, Apparently you just heard the words being beat out
31:18
Speaker 2: they were rude words.
31:20
Speaker 1: Trump was also.
31:21
Speaker 2: Blunt in both his new security strategy this week and
31:26
Speaker 2: in the interview that he gave to Politico's Dasher Burns
31:30
Speaker 2: for this week's episode of The Conversation to sell that policy.
31:33
Speaker 1: He didn't specifically mention mass.
31:35
Speaker 2: Immigration from Muslim countries, but that is exactly what he
31:39
Speaker 2: meant when he attacked Europe and especially Germany, France, Sweden
31:44
Speaker 2: and the Muslim mayor of London.
31:47
Speaker 15: Most European nations. They're decaying, the decaying.
31:55
Speaker 20: You can imagine some leaders in Europe are a little
31:58
Speaker 20: freaked out by.
32:00
Speaker 2: Your posture, is and.
32:02
Speaker 15: Europeos should be freaked out by what they're doing to
32:04
Speaker 15: their countries. They're destroying their countries. European Council and the
32:07
Speaker 15: people I like, look, the people I like, I get
32:10
Speaker 15: along with them, you know that. But they can't let
32:14
Speaker 15: this happen and it gets to a point where you
32:16
Speaker 15: can't really correct it. There'll be a point, and it's
32:19
Speaker 15: very close to that point. It will mean that they're
32:22
Speaker 15: no longer going to be strong.
32:24
Speaker 21: Nations, or they won't be all, or.
32:26
Speaker 15: They'll be well, it depends, you know, it depends. They'll
32:29
Speaker 15: change their ideology obviously because the people coming in have
32:32
Speaker 15: a totally different ideology, but it's it's going to make
32:37
Speaker 15: them much weaker.
32:39
Speaker 1: Join me, is Ron Dean.
32:40
Speaker 2: It's you're in chief of the Spectator Australia, host of
32:43
Speaker 2: Outsiders here every Sunday at nine am and host of
32:47
Speaker 2: his own show on Fridays at seven pm.
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Speaker 1: Rowan, that's really interesting.
32:52
Speaker 2: I mean it, does Donald Trump have a point that, well,
32:57
Speaker 2: you know, Europe cannot be strong ally anymore of America
33:02
Speaker 2: with mass immigration changing it so profoundly, or is this
33:06
Speaker 2: an exaggeration just in a distraction from meritus costs the
33:09
Speaker 2: living problems and is falling pole numbers.
33:13
Speaker 21: Andrew, Now, it's not a distraction. Donald Trump's not one
33:16
Speaker 21: of those politicians like unfortunately the ones we are blessed
33:19
Speaker 21: with here in Australia who look at focus groups and
33:21
Speaker 21: run around with media strategists telling them go and say this,
33:24
Speaker 21: and go and say that so that you'll distract from this.
33:26
Speaker 21: I think the Annika Wells whatever we're getting down that
33:29
Speaker 21: the pipeline from labor over Annaka Wells would be a
33:32
Speaker 21: good example of that. Donald Trump doesn't bother with all
33:34
Speaker 21: that rubbish. He says what he means. He's always said
33:36
Speaker 21: what he means. He's been saying the same sort of
33:39
Speaker 21: stuff even before his political career. And the point here,
33:43
Speaker 21: Andrew is Trump isn't saying anything new, He's merely observing
33:46
Speaker 21: what is happening in Europe now. The reality is in
33:49
Speaker 21: Europe we've seen any number of countries, particularly Britain, where
33:55
Speaker 21: immigration has become a big political issue between both If
34:00
Speaker 21: the previous Tory government were accused of not having secure borders,
34:05
Speaker 21: quite rightly, they had very open borders. This argument goes
34:08
Speaker 21: right back to when Boris Johnson was saying, We've got
34:11
Speaker 21: a copy Tony Abbot and close our borders. So it's
34:14
Speaker 21: not a new argument in Britain. Likewise, in Germany, France,
34:18
Speaker 21: much of Europe, much of Northern Europe, governments have fallen.
34:22
Speaker 21: Governments have changed because they haven't managed to secure their borders,
34:27
Speaker 21: or because they've allowed immigration to such an extent that
34:30
Speaker 21: it threatens all sorts of aspects of what was previously
34:36
Speaker 21: the way of life there. So this issue is huge
34:39
Speaker 21: in Europe. You even have countries like Hungary where Victor
34:42
Speaker 21: Orban pays a million euros a day and in fines
34:48
Speaker 21: to the European Union because he refuses to go along
34:52
Speaker 21: with the European Union's open borders policy. And I'll be
34:56
Speaker 21: talking about this on my Friday show that you kindly mentioned.
35:01
Speaker 21: He's even running ads now inviting people to come for
35:05
Speaker 21: Christmas in Hungary because it is safer there, according to him,
35:10
Speaker 21: because of his order's policies. So if you've got a
35:14
Speaker 21: country running ads tourism ads, forget where the bloody hell
35:17
Speaker 21: are you or anything like that, or Paul Hogan another
35:19
Speaker 21: shrimp on the barbie. When you're running ads saying our
35:23
Speaker 21: country is safer because of our immigration policy. That ad
35:27
Speaker 21: doesn't come out of the blue. It comes out of
35:28
Speaker 21: focus groups, it comes out of research, it comes out
35:31
Speaker 21: of the sort of people who are traveling.
35:33
Speaker 2: When it comes out of brutal reality. I mean, I've
35:36
Speaker 2: been seeing some of the Christmas markets in Germany bollards
35:41
Speaker 2: everywhere to stop more truck bombings or truck rammings. Rather,
35:46
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just disgusting. How can Christmas be a
35:49
Speaker 2: time of fear in Germany's Christmas markets? I mean something
35:54
Speaker 2: I can understand why this is a hot political issue
35:57
Speaker 2: and why politicians have got to grab hole and I
36:01
Speaker 2: don't think that Donald Trump is saying much that a
36:03
Speaker 2: lot of politicians of the right in Europe as saying
36:07
Speaker 2: for themselves.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 21: And you know it's going to be the big issue
36:11
Speaker 21: here because this issue is not going away, and it's
36:15
Speaker 21: you mentioned the A word, the dreaded a word not
36:18
Speaker 21: long ago, assimilation. It was the Whitlam government that cursed
36:22
Speaker 21: the A word and said we're not going to have
36:24
Speaker 21: that any longer. We're not going to have integration, Assimilation,
36:27
Speaker 21: multiculturalism's the way forward. The first cancel culture victim of
36:32
Speaker 21: cancel culture was, of course, the politician Enoch pal who
36:34
Speaker 21: in Britain in nineteen sixty eight warned that you can't
36:38
Speaker 21: have immigration immigration without assimilation and integration policies in place.
36:44
Speaker 21: He was demonized and canceled and called a racist because
36:47
Speaker 21: of that, and ever since then Andrew, anyone who raises
36:49
Speaker 21: this issue is called a racist, which is just a
36:51
Speaker 21: lazy way of the left saying we don't want to
36:53
Speaker 21: discuss the issue. It's too hard for us to defend.
36:58
Speaker 2: Roan before we go the social media ban on children today,
37:01
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister was saying he was giving power back
37:04
Speaker 2: to families. Well, I don't agree with that, whether you
37:07
Speaker 2: back the ban or not, he's not doing that. He
37:10
Speaker 2: is giving power to government.
37:12
Speaker 1: Now what do you make of this ban?
37:16
Speaker 21: Well, I've been against it all along, Andrew. I certainly
37:20
Speaker 21: appreciate that there are issues to do with social media,
37:23
Speaker 21: not only for kids but for everybody, but especially kids,
37:26
Speaker 21: and that there should be the tools in place for
37:29
Speaker 21: parents to be able to say to little Johnny or
37:32
Speaker 21: you know, little Susie or whatever, hang on, we've got
37:34
Speaker 21: to curtail this. And you've got to be aware of this,
37:38
Speaker 21: whether it's education programs, whether it's not allowing the hardware,
37:41
Speaker 21: you know, the phones and so on into schools. There
37:43
Speaker 21: are plenty of other things that could have done rather
37:45
Speaker 21: than blanket bans. And the problem with the blanket ban,
37:48
Speaker 21: like any kind of blanket ban, is it's using a
37:52
Speaker 21: sledge hammer to crack a walnut, and it will have
37:54
Speaker 21: all sorts of unintended consequences, some of which you wisely
37:58
Speaker 21: and accurately mentioned earlier.
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Speaker 17: Andrew.
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Speaker 2: Yes, well, I do wonder about removing this tool of
38:06
Speaker 2: communication from like I say, children who are isolated or
38:10
Speaker 2: you know, the loner in the class or something like that.
38:13
Speaker 2: But you know, there's a cost there as well. Plus
38:17
Speaker 2: you know you can actually learn something from social media
38:20
Speaker 2: as well as being made to pay rondin thank you
38:23
Speaker 2: so much indeed for your sorry.
38:26
Speaker 21: Yeah, thanks Andrew.
38:28
Speaker 1: All right, see you later mate.
38:30
Speaker 2: After the break, we'll talk to the handle about the
38:36
Speaker 2: rudest singer ever visit Australia.
38:39
Speaker 1: Actual was told off by fans. Plus a new pole
38:42
Speaker 1: that gives the verdict on.
38:43
Speaker 2: The Pauline Hansen stunt that appalled the media. I'm sick
38:51
Speaker 2: of giving you bad news about the decline of Australian culture.
38:54
Speaker 1: So tonight good news.
38:56
Speaker 2: The old Australia is not yet dead and you should
38:58
Speaker 2: take heart. Because Scottish singer Shirley Manson of the band
39:03
Speaker 2: Garbage was performing at Melbourne's Good Things Festival when she
39:09
Speaker 2: saw a fan holding a beach ball quite innocently. It
39:11
Speaker 2: wasn't throwing it around or anything. Manson likes dressing like
39:15
Speaker 2: some Palestinian hood, but holding a beach ball apparently, well
39:18
Speaker 2: that crosses a line here she is.
39:22
Speaker 20: You're middle ages man and a ridiculous heart and I
39:29
Speaker 20: wan't literally want to ask people to punch you in the.
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Speaker 1: Lady, but truly violent.
39:43
Speaker 2: And that's only the half of it with the threats
39:46
Speaker 2: of physical violence. Actually, Manson's the last person really to
39:50
Speaker 2: be attacking the middle age someone for being middle aged,
39:53
Speaker 2: but the fan ben He was stunned.
39:56
Speaker 22: And all field hurt that one of my artist stood
40:00
Speaker 22: love for over twenty five thirty years numerous times, had
40:04
Speaker 22: just said that to me and singled me out and
40:07
Speaker 22: made me feel very small and a bit afraid. Especially
40:11
Speaker 22: I don't know how big a crew out that wanted
40:13
Speaker 22: to come and mess me up or the other part
40:15
Speaker 22: of this violence part it was scary. Was she trying
40:18
Speaker 22: to turn the crowd onto me? Was someone going to
40:20
Speaker 22: just blindside punch me out?
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Speaker 1: And now the good news.
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Speaker 2: When Manson went up to Brisbane, she found beach balls everywhere,
40:29
Speaker 2: and this time Manson just said to shut up and
40:31
Speaker 2: cop it. Join me at gem and Tannini columnists and
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Speaker 2: communications consultant. Caroline Derrasso, commentator and president of the West
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Speaker 2: Australian Liberals. I'm sorry that this gema was out of
40:42
Speaker 2: left field, but honestly I was shocked. Is this how
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Speaker 2: singer's now treat fans? Maybe I don't go to uh,
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Speaker 2: maybe I'd choose better concerts. I don't know, but good
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Speaker 2: on the Australian fans for sticking me up for Ben.
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Speaker 23: Oh listen, I don't think it's how Singer's treat fans
40:57
Speaker 23: of thinking more on. She's washed up old more, you know,
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Speaker 23: behaving like an absolutely suboptimal human. And I have to say, Andrew,
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Speaker 23: I did see that story over the wheat last week
41:07
Speaker 23: and I couldn't love it anymore. I mean, good on,
41:10
Speaker 23: good on the good people of the Sunshine State for
41:13
Speaker 23: bringing out their beach balls and shoving them where or
41:16
Speaker 23: shoving them in Shirley's direction, keeping it cleaning. It's a
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Speaker 23: family show, Andrew, but showing showing Shirley their beach balls,
41:23
Speaker 23: I mean, what an idiot. Just pee off, Shirley. Go
41:26
Speaker 23: you have a cup of tea and a Bex and
41:28
Speaker 23: a lie down and consider your actions, because she's a bitter,
41:31
Speaker 23: twisted and miserable and not particularly musically great either. But
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Speaker 23: that's just my choice.
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Speaker 1: Jimmy.
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Speaker 2: I was quite keen on you restraining yourself there, because we,
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Speaker 2: of course have a government that seems to be unusually
41:44
Speaker 2: keen on censoring media outlets at the moment.
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Speaker 1: So thank you very much.
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Speaker 23: Do I do what I can do?
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Speaker 1: What do you make of that? Kron Oh, thank you,
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Speaker 1: Thank Karen. What did you make of all that?
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Speaker 24: Well, it's really hit home with that old saying if
42:01
Speaker 24: you don't want to meet your idols, like you know,
42:04
Speaker 24: you think that these people, you think they're a certain
42:07
Speaker 24: way right, And and I do feel for this bloke,
42:09
Speaker 24: like can you imagine going and you're you're you're a
42:12
Speaker 24: fan of a band for such a long time, and
42:14
Speaker 24: then then there's that real ad hominem attack like it's
42:17
Speaker 24: it and it's totally out of place, totally inappropriate. But again,
42:22
Speaker 24: the good people of the Sunshine Close. Really, you know,
42:25
Speaker 24: I do appreciate the way they just flipped the bird
42:28
Speaker 24: and you know he was just doing what any kind
42:32
Speaker 24: of normal fan at a music concert would do. And
42:36
Speaker 24: and she was really a right pig about it. So,
42:39
Speaker 24: you know, good on the fans up, Good up the
42:41
Speaker 24: fans up in Queensland for just going. I'm sorry, we
42:44
Speaker 24: love you, we want you to come and play here,
42:46
Speaker 24: but you know we're spending good money to come and
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Speaker 24: see you, so how about you treat us with some respect?
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Speaker 1: I know, just imagine.
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Speaker 2: I know I don't get it, I don't get it,
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Speaker 2: but here the big reveal that I've been promising during
43:04
Speaker 2: the night, Pauline Hansen, you know a lot of conversations.
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Speaker 1: Oh she's crossed the line. This is it.
43:11
Speaker 2: The polls will go down now when you wore a
43:14
Speaker 2: burker in Parliament in protests of being stopped from debating,
43:18
Speaker 2: banning the burker in public spaces. But the latest essential
43:22
Speaker 2: poll here it comes, confirms that she has never had
43:25
Speaker 2: more support seventeen percent, now not far behind the Liberals
43:29
Speaker 2: twenty six percent.
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Speaker 1: Jimmy, what does that tell you?
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Speaker 23: I don't think it's singularly related to that stunt, Andrew personally,
43:38
Speaker 23: I'd be interested to interrogate that data a little longer.
43:40
Speaker 23: But there is no doubt, there is no doubt that
43:43
Speaker 23: Australian voters are looking for a point of difference, and
43:47
Speaker 23: they are looking for strong leadership. And there is a
43:50
Speaker 23: big cohort of Australian voters who are looking for a
43:54
Speaker 23: political organization that reflects them, that reflects their views. Now,
43:58
Speaker 23: I wrote for The Australian about that stunt, and my
44:00
Speaker 23: point remains, Andrew, is that if we're going to have
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Speaker 23: a con like she drew attention to that issue, great,
44:06
Speaker 23: but then what you know, then what where's the conversation.
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Speaker 23: It's a non event, so she wanted to continue a conversation.
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Speaker 23: It's I don't believe that was the way to go
44:16
Speaker 23: about it. Did that stunt necessarily contribute to another jump
44:21
Speaker 23: in her primary, I don't know. I'd be surprised if
44:25
Speaker 23: it was that alone. But there is no doubt that
44:27
Speaker 23: one Nation as a party, and it's not the same
44:30
Speaker 23: party it was fifteen ten, fifteen years ago. People who
44:33
Speaker 23: try to say that they're this out and the rest,
44:34
Speaker 23: they're not paying attention. It's a very different party. She's
44:36
Speaker 23: a very different person. But what is the same is
44:39
Speaker 23: unapologetically being straight up. This is what we believe Australian
44:44
Speaker 23: values are and they're connecting with a cohort of the
44:47
Speaker 23: Australian electorate.
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Speaker 2: When I said the Liberals were and twenty six percents,
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Speaker 2: it's actually the Coalition combined on twenty six percent, Caroline
44:58
Speaker 2: Liberals twenty six percent, One Nation seventeen percent.
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Speaker 1: Where's what's the message here.
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Speaker 24: Well, look, Andrew, it's no secret it's been a bit
45:10
Speaker 24: untidy for the Coalition following that pretty shocking result in May.
45:14
Speaker 24: Let's just put it that way. But I think the
45:16
Speaker 24: party getting to a position on net zero, and it
45:18
Speaker 24: would be very interesting to see what happens with those
45:21
Speaker 24: immigration principles that have been spoken about in the media.
45:24
Speaker 24: And I think those two points will really give us
45:27
Speaker 24: a policy difference to labor. And I think it's fair.
45:30
Speaker 24: We've heard it that people do want a policy difference
45:32
Speaker 24: to labor, and look, I think it's I think it's
45:35
Speaker 24: been an interesting week for one nation. You know, I
45:38
Speaker 24: saw that polling. There are people that are perhaps more
45:41
Speaker 24: likely to vote for one nation with Barnaby Joyce there.
45:44
Speaker 24: I mean, Pauline Hanson goes through colleagues like Nickers, so
45:46
Speaker 24: it'll be interesting to see how long she holds on
45:48
Speaker 24: to him for. But ultimately, Andrew, as we get closer
45:52
Speaker 24: to elections, people go, Okay, these are the policies I like,
45:55
Speaker 24: But is that policy within a party? Who's going to
45:58
Speaker 24: be able to implement that policy? And while you know
46:02
Speaker 24: that may be where people sit at the moment in
46:04
Speaker 24: relation to one nation, ultimately you know it's very unlikely.
46:10
Speaker 24: I don't see the way that that could occur, that
46:12
Speaker 24: one nation would be a party of government. So I
46:14
Speaker 24: think as we get closer to an election, yes, people
46:17
Speaker 24: want to see that policy differentiation between liberals and labor.
46:20
Speaker 24: But ultimately it may not go there as their first preference,
46:25
Speaker 24: but perhaps close to the top we'll land with a
46:27
Speaker 24: party of government.
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Speaker 2: I got to say, Look, it's true. I think Susan
46:32
Speaker 2: Lee's improved her performance quite a bit when she was
46:36
Speaker 2: finally given and at zero anti zero policy to fight with.
46:40
Speaker 2: And I think when the immigration policy comes out, providing
46:43
Speaker 2: it's good enough, strong enough, tough enough, I think the same.
46:46
Speaker 1: There, Jemma.
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Speaker 2: One good thing in this other wise grim pole is
46:52
Speaker 2: for Susan Lee. Is that a personal approval or adding
46:55
Speaker 2: with up three points to thirty four percent?
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Speaker 1: Should she take hard from that?
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Speaker 23: Oh, I'd be taking heart for it.
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Speaker 17: For sure.
47:02
Speaker 23: It's better than it going down three percent. I mean,
47:08
Speaker 23: she's look and Caroline and I, unsurprisingly have had many
47:11
Speaker 23: conversations about about this issue about season Lye and I
47:15
Speaker 23: came to the table very agnostic in the sense that
47:17
Speaker 23: you know what, do a good job not because you
47:20
Speaker 23: have a uterus, but do a good job because you're capable.
47:23
Speaker 23: I don't care that she's a woman, and I don't
47:25
Speaker 23: care if the leader is a man.
47:26
Speaker 24: I care that they're capable.
47:27
Speaker 23: And I have to say that in recent weeks, I
47:30
Speaker 23: felt like, as a conservative voter looking desperately for some hope,
47:34
Speaker 23: I felt like I was running out of patience with her.
47:37
Speaker 24: By the same token.
47:39
Speaker 23: You know, it's not an easy job. She has been
47:41
Speaker 23: trying to be collegiate. From what I understand, there are
47:45
Speaker 23: serious policy positions now being arrived at. She should one
47:48
Speaker 23: hundred percent take heart, but she should also take notes
47:52
Speaker 23: from Kemmy Badenock in the UK Parliament because I thought so,
47:56
Speaker 23: I feel like she's just got a grower set. Pardon
47:58
Speaker 23: the analogy, but Susan, just grow a set and lead.
48:01
Speaker 23: Stop trying to please everyone.
48:03
Speaker 21: Just lead.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had the impressure she was I had the impressure.
48:06
Speaker 1: She was getting tougher in a retric in the last
48:09
Speaker 1: two weeks.
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Speaker 2: But obviously it's got to be sustained, just quickly in
48:13
Speaker 2: the minute I've got left, Caroline.
48:15
Speaker 1: I mean, you know Jimmy talking.
48:18
Speaker 2: About about judging not on a uturist but on performance premise,
48:23
Speaker 2: is today playing the gender card to defend Minister Anika
48:26
Speaker 2: Wells getting taxpayers to pay for a husband to go
48:28
Speaker 2: to the cricket football finals and more. It said we
48:32
Speaker 2: needed to help more women to be in Parliament. It's
48:34
Speaker 2: had a good enough excuse to play that gender card.
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Speaker 24: No, and it's never It's never an excuse. The fact
48:42
Speaker 24: of the matter is is regardless of whether it's spending
48:45
Speaker 24: all the performance of our politicians, Australians want to see value.
48:49
Speaker 24: And it's not even that side of it so much
48:51
Speaker 24: that that troubles me. Andrew, I actually think about her
48:56
Speaker 24: trip to the US and to the un Like Genma
49:00
Speaker 24: and I travel for work all the time. I don't
49:03
Speaker 24: even know how she managed to find the wife that
49:05
Speaker 24: were that expensive and the most impressive. And when you land,
49:09
Speaker 24: you know wherever it is you land. Okay, sure you
49:11
Speaker 24: might need to go and meet someone for dinner, but
49:14
Speaker 24: if you're tired and you're going out for dinner, you
49:15
Speaker 24: probably don't need to go to a Michelin star restaurant.
49:20
Speaker 24: Really gets me that there is a severe lack of
49:24
Speaker 24: judgment and regardless.
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Speaker 1: When that you fall a slip at the table.
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Speaker 24: Ship, spare me garbage.
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Speaker 2: I've got to go, ladies, Gimi, Caroline Russo, thank you've
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Speaker 2: got to go. Good night up next to the sherry
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Speaker 2: marks and good night