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Nervous System Healing, Trauma, and Faith | Why You Keep Getting Stuck and How to Break Free with Heather Shriver Burns · Cortisol Coach

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Welcome to the Cortisol Coach Podcast. If you're exhausted, gaining weight,
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losing your hair, your anxiety is through the roof, or the depression and emotional
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overwhelm have completely consumed your life, or maybe you're not showing up
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as the wife and mom you want to be.
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You've spent years never feeling good enough, taking care of everyone else while
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you quietly fell apart, and your body has been keeping score of every single bit of it.
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The chronic stress, hormonal shifts, perimenopause, menopause,
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whatever season you're in, cortisol is making all of it worse.
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And until you heal the root, nothing changes.
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But this show here is about to change that.
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I'm your host, Christine Marie, Holy Spirit-led Biblical Mindset Coach,
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and I have helped thousands of women heal their hormones and cortisol levels.
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Every week, I bring you leading experts, doctors, and coaches who will help
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you heal your body, mind, emotions, and your spirit so that you can step into
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every kingdom purpose that God has planned for your life. So go grab your cup
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of coffee and let's jump in.
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My guest today is someone who's had a profound and personal impact on my life.
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Her name is Heather Shriver Burns. She's a master coach, spiritual director,
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and founder of Seek First Sisterhood.
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For the past decade, she has coached ambitious women of faith from stay-at-home
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moms to eight-figure business owners, helping them break the internal patterns,
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keeping them for freedom, peace, and joy.
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Her work blends neuroscience, nervous system restoration, soul work,
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and kingdom principles to help women align their body, soul,
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and spirit and build that life that feels just as good as it looks.
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But what I want you to know before we begin is that Heather is not just a guest on the show.
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She was my personal coach for many years.
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I earned one of my certifications through her, and she is the woman who helped
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me step into healing my nervous system from trauma.
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I could not be more excited to have her here.
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Heather, oh my goodness, I cannot believe this feels so full circle,
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but welcome to the Cortisol Coach Podcast.
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I am so excited to be here. It is absolutely a full circle moment.
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Oh my gosh. Well, it's crazy because I was thinking back.
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I mean, you know, you know everything, everything all my stories all the details
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all the bolts that were unlocked working with you and I was just sharing in
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my stories that you know we all have that decision you know can we go to therapy
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which I have done a lot of therapy so do I go to see a therapist do I see a coach
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and I didn't know that I had the option until,
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I met you that I could work with somebody in this space and work on brain science
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and nervous system healing and kingdom principles. And can you tell us a little
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bit more about you? What led you to where you're at?
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Oh my gosh. Yes. It truly has been an honor to watch you flourish.
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I think that is the most rewarding thing as a coach and now friends.
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And so, oh gosh. Okay. So teacher turned corporate executive,
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fell in love with business.
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And then I became a mom and I did not want to be a stay-at-home mom,
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but I didn't have any idea how this baby was going to impact my life.
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I'm on maternity leave and I'm weeping. I couldn't believe what was I thinking.
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How could I have thought? I wanted to go back to the corporate world.
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And I ended up stumbling into network marketing. And I had a lot of success in that space.
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I experienced the best of the best. And I also experienced the worst of the worst.
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I ended up losing an eight-figure business overnight at 27 seven weeks pregnant
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with my third child. And it was the most excruciating traumatic event of my
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life. I didn't think I had any other kind of trauma, and that was the thing.
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But as I was trying to pick myself back up and really reevaluate my life and
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what God was calling me to, I fell in love with neuroscience because I thought, well, it's my brain.
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It's my brain. I just need to change my mindset, right? Your mind is everything.
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And so I dove deep into the world of neuroscience, got a master neuroscience
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certification and fell in love with the power of our words our thoughts and
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the bible's full of that but as i was going through the program the holy spirit
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was really connecting scripture to the science and it was like i've never
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why i have no why has no pastor ever shared this with me before and so i made
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it my like mission to help my clients see how we can have science and scripture
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and how really science is just telling us what scripture has always said it's
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just giving us a different language.
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As I continued to build this business and know that I wanted to scale back to
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seven figures, I kept getting stuck over and over and over again.
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The science and the brain was only getting me so far and I couldn't figure out what else was it.
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I already had all of the tools and I was helping all my clients,
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but for me, I didn't understand the body, the role of the body and the nervous
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system and how our bodies and our brains talk to one another.
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And so then I dove deep into understanding trauma and nervous system work.
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And so I have so many certifications. All of those certifications have come
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out of my own journey of trying to answer the question.
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What am I missing? Where am I off?
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What is it? I have a good prayer life. I'm doing all the right things and I'm
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still feeling stuck or I'm still feeling like I'm not where I could be.
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And so really the work that I do is not theory. It is my lived experience.
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It's so crazy. You're taking me back now because I'm remembering that's why
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I wanted to work with you so much because you were so successful in network marketing.
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And that was my dream. And my vision was to build this massive business just
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like you and other people out there who were really truly paving the way.
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And I remember once I started working with you, I was like, wow, I am really broken.
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And I just had, I, you know, I'm part of the women, right, who just stuff it
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and stuff it and stuff it and think that we can just push harder and it's going to be fine.
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Christine and I feel like for most of my life I did do that and I remember one
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thing you told me because I thought
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I'm going to build this network marketing business and I want to coach women
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and you said well Christine you really need to make sure that you heal first
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so you don't bleed on other people.
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And I remember you said that and I was I was so taken back because I I realized
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I was gushing all over everybody and and my mindsets and maybe this is just
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where we're supposed to go.
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Because for me, I grew up in the church.
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I grew up Baptist. And then we switched to non-denominational.
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I was so black and white. I was so filled with religion. And I thought religion was Jesus.
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So as I started healing and walking through this journey with you, I remember having to.
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Take a look in the mirror all the time and say, wait a minute,
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because you worked on money mindset with me.
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You worked on trauma from childhood, trauma from our foster parenting journey,
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all these different pieces,
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which I was at the point, I wasn't even at the point yet where I had connected
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it to high cortisol levels, but I knew I was living in fight or flight.
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And so it It was just this piece of what have I known as truth that actually isn't true?
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Yes. Yeah. You will know the truth and the truth will set you free.
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And that has been the verse that has been one of my anchor verses to my business.
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And a lot of Christian women know in their head the things like I'm loved,
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I'm chosen, I'm free, I'm a daughter of the king.
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We love to wear the T-shirts and claim that. And yet we don't live that out.
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And so how do we transfer that head knowledge of scripture and of what we know to the heart?
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Because it doesn't really matter what kind of denomination you sit in, right?
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We're all being fed something. And everyone has their own angle,
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which my story is exactly like yours. I was actually raised fundamental Baptist,
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then went to non-denominational. And I've experienced like fire tunnels and
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total charismatic stuff that I'm like, is this real? I don't know.
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And I've dated a Greek Orthodox to where it's super traditional.
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And I've played the organ in a mass before.
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I have experienced such a wide range of religion or theological beliefs.
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And at the end of the day, we can know all of these things in our head.
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But the reality is, is what have we lived and what have we experienced?
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Yeah, that verse alone, let me just dive into this. I feel like saying this,
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that the word no in that verse that Jesus says, you will know the truth and
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the truth will set you free is gnosko.
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And it's a Greek word that means experience.
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This is where the body comes into play.
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The body is such an important part because in order for us to,
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yes, God loves us, But we have to experience that for it to solidify,
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into the heart and the soul and the fibers of who we are. And so this is the work.
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It's identifying what you believe. One, is it true?
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If you're not free, you're believing a lie. But then also, knowing it in your
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head is very different than believing it and living it out in your heart.
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It's amazing because I feel like when I look back at my life,
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and I look back at some of the things that I've said to people and ways that
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I've judged them and the ways that I've thought about them, it makes me cringe.
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I genuinely 100% believed that I was right and I was standing on the principles
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of the Bible and I was speaking truth to them.
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And that's what I was supposed to do. Yeah, because I think,
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you know, when we talk about essentially deconstructing, right?
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I know it's such a bad thing.
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Like a bad reputation, like people are like, oh, you're deconstructing.
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Are you like figuring out how you don't have to follow God's rules or his plans?
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And I don't know. I have not really personally my own deconstruction journey,
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which has happened multiple times over my life.
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I can think of four specifics and they usually are tied to some sort of traumatic
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event that I'm like, wait a second. Also, I'll say this too.
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My clients have led me down rabbit holes because I have seen the repetitive.
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Beliefs that they carry. And it's not even just one denomination.
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I've literally worked with women from all different backgrounds.
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When you have black and white thinking, it is a form of safety for the nervous
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system because it's a guarantee of a right or a wrong.
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This path we follow, this path we don't. And if you believe that you either
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obey and you live in heaven or you disobey and you don't live the life that
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you're supposed to live in and you're going to spend eternity in hell.
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It's very fear-based. And so fear is going to make you want to have certainty.
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And a nervous system loves certainty. And so religion, it plays a big role in
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that black and white thinking.
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And you were trying to probably, you had a good heart posture of like, I want to help you.
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I want to save you. But saving someone out of fear versus saving someone out
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of love is two totally different energies brought into the actions of what you're doing.
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One of the biggest principles that you helped me walk through was finding the lie and uprooting it.
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A lot of times for this cortisol, this fight or flight, this nervous system
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healing journey, you have to go way back to like the earliest childhood memories,
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even stuff you don't remember because the body keeps the score.
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It's been this journey for me. And even last week, I found a lie that was connected
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to the deepest rooting of not
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being chosen, which is the most amazing thing, because if you seek God.
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With your whole heart, he will give you the answers.
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Now, it hasn't been fast at all, but he did. But all these other pieces had
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to be. And I like when you say deconstruction, because it's truly like when
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I imagine like an onion, you have to pull layers off.
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And that's what healing looks like. Can you talk to us about the importance
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of nervous system healing for women?
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Yes, absolutely. So, like you said, the body keeps the score.
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And so we can think things in our head all day long and yet not actually believe
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them or not live them out.
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And so I think that's where you get to get curious around, what do I know in
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my head, but I'm not living it out in my life?
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Because your body holds on to its experiences. 3 John 1-2 says,
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may you prosper in all things and be in good health as your soul prospers.
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And the Bible talks a lot about the body parts, right? The body,
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the soul, the spirit. Love the Lord with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength.
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So paying attention to those parts of who we are.
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I think another thing about some theological beliefs that I grew up with was
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that like your body is your flesh is evil and sinful and you have to die to
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it and you have to deny it.
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And even fasting can get very punishing rather than I'm going to eliminate the
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distraction so that I can connect to the father.
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It's again, the act of fasting can be really good. Physically, it's really good.
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That'll reset your system. You know that. but also spiritually but it's all
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in the reason of why we're doing it like if we're doing it from a place of deny myself because,
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and so this whole idea of nervous system is that there's the body and so interesting
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you hear these verses of like well your body is a temple.
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And then we hear the verse that your heart is deceitful. Like,
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no wonder a lot of believers are confused because it's like, well, which one is it?
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And this is where we need to understand context. It's also where I love going
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deep into Greek and Hebrew and understanding Aramaic and just the original language
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and what some of the scripture and the context in which it was written in.
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Because when we understand sarx and soma, which are the two words for body in
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scripture, the sarx and the soma, it's a different meaning.
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And so when we understand that, wait, your body is a beautiful thing to God.
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Like it's not meant to be punished. You mentioned in the very beginning of this
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episode is women like you and I have learned to cut off our feelings for many
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different reasons. Maybe you grew up in a home where it was like.
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Don't cry or I'll give you something to cry about.
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You learned at a very young age that crying, showing emotion was going to get
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you in more trouble. So you, what did you do? You stuffed it.
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There's there's there's so much to go into in that but a lot of us have learned
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to shut off our nervous system to keep us in belonging and love and safety within
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the environment in which we grew up in and so
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the nervous system is always talking to you but if you've learned how to shut
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it off you won't know what it's saying so i remember when i was a teenager,
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and i was rebellious in a good Christian girl way.
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And what if, so here, I'm going to coach you here. What if he was curious?
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And maybe it wasn't rebellion.
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Maybe it was curiosity.
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Okay, there's that. Go ahead.
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I love that. Well, and it was truly every week we would go to church.
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And I felt like I had to reaccept Christ as my savior because I somehow lost
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it during the week. Mm-hmm.
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And then you grow up feeling, I'm just not worthy.
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As you read your Bible and you truly get to know the heart of the Father,
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He's nothing like that at all.
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But I truly think it is that fear-based, God is watching, that we were told
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as kids, God's watching you, you better behave, you better do well.
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And that just makes you nervous all the time.
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You're always evaluating, am I going to get in trouble? Am I doing what's right?
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And plus, if you have the, if you're weighing hell, if you're weighing heaven
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or hell at the end of the day, right?
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Well, that's a big question to start asking. And I know I said the sinner's
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prayer at least a thousand times in my life, at least.
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Because I just wanted to make sure, you know, they ask you the question,
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like, if you have any shadow of a doubt.
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I'm like, well, I don't know. Maybe there's like a little shadow.
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It's like over in the corner. And I probably need to say it just in case. But.
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It's such a confusing way to teach somebody how to try to nurture a relationship with their creator.
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Well, and I didn't even realize I could have a relationship with Jesus.
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And it was, I can have these conversations with him.
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And I don't have to wait till Sunday. And I don't have to pull out my Bible.
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Like, there's no ritual that I had to do in order to be connected to him.
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That I could talk to him all day long. And I could ask him for direction.
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And I could ask him for peace. And I could ask him for wisdom.
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And that he was the same God today, yesterday, tomorrow.
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And in the bible he's he's still the same god and that we have the gifts like
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i didn't understand there's so much i did not understand,
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yeah well if you grew up baptist there's a chance that you grew up as an incestationist
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which they don't teach that they believe that the gifts of the spirit that's
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that's at least what i grew up right yeah my first really encounter with,
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the holy spirit It changed my life.
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And I'm like, what part of God is this? Because like, give me more of that.
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I want more of that. And so, yeah, absolutely.
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It's all of these things that we get to explore. You know, I think that the
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tricky part about religion is it tells you what to believe instead of getting you to think.
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Right. I don't know. But originally, like Jesus didn't tell us to be Christians.
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He told us to be followers of the way.
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And I understand that most people, you know, as they say, Christianity,
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it is following the way. But following the way is not following a set of rules.
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Jesus came to fulfill the law.
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So there isn't a set of rules to follow, but there is a person of God to pursue and to follow.
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And I don't know about you, but that looks a lot more like an uncertain journey
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than a set of things that we need to do in order to fall in right standing with God.
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And that has been a huge part of my, you know, we could say deconstructing.
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I could say unlearning and relearning, right? It's like, oh,
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who I thought God was, who I thought Jesus was, who I thought Holy Spirit is,
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is like completely different than what is true.
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Tell me a little bit more about who you work with, how you help them.
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Yeah. Because I know I worked with you for many years and it changed my life.
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This is funny you're asking because I think I'm always asking God, God.
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How do I word this? Because no one wants to sign up to excavate their heart and like go deep.
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You came to me because you wanted to scale, you wanted to grow your business
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and you knew that there was just something.
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And so we did all the work. And so I've asked God many times,
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like, do I just tell people what they're doing?
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You know, the marketing scheme of like, tell them what they want,
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give them what they need. I'm like, I hate that because I always feel like God
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pulls a Jehovah sneaky on women and they come into my world and they're like,
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oh, this is not what I asked for, but it's exactly what I needed.
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And so I'm always asking God, like, how do I, how do I word this?
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But all that to say, I have a passion for, first of all, all women who love
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God and feel like they're so thankful, but they know that there's more.
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Like if Jesus came to set the captives free, why don't I feel free?
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Where's this peace, this freedom, this abundance, this joy that I have access to as a believer?
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Because I think a lot of people are trying to convince themselves that the gospel
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is good while also trying to convince other people that the gospel is good,
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which is why the kingdom is confusing for people. It's like,
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well, this is good. Follow this way, but your life's going to be really hard. I don't know.
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Anyways, who do I help? I really have been asking God, am I only working with
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leaders, high performers, business owners, founders?
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Because that's really been the majority of who I've helped over the past decade.
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But my heart is lately, literally within the last.
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Couple months has just felt such a heart just for all of God's girls that are
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frustrated because they're reading their Bible. They're going to church. They're praying.
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And they're even doing the typical self-care stuff.
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Like they're working out. They're journaling. They're going to Pilates.
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They're doing all the things. And they still can't figure out why internally do I not feel at peace?
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And so for me it's looked like layers of the belief system and the nervous system
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and how those things intertwine so to answer your question,
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i really just want to see god's girls set free because that's the whole point,
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and not on like on this side of heaven not like after we die like i think so
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many people are living for like oh well it's just going to be good after but
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i don't know the Bible says Jesus' prayer on earth as it is in heaven.
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How do we experience heaven here on earth so that we can actually be conduits
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of the kingdom, of the joy, the peace, the freedom that Jesus actually came
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to resemble in the world?
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So when I think about the work that you do with women and what you did with
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me is I went to see Ed Milet speak one time and he talks about the story,
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about when he gets to heaven and when he's standing there with God And God is
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going to tell him, the person here standing next to me,
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is who you were meant to be.
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This is what you were meant to do and meant to produce on earth.
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He said he wanted it to be a mirror of himself when he gets to heaven.
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And I truly believe that we are made in the image of Christ, as the Bible tells us.
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So do we have the mind of Christ? Do we have the giftings? Do we have the heart posture of Jesus?
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And so I truly believe that by healing those wounds and addressing what broke
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you, that's how you're able to step into that peace. And when you get to heaven,
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like, isn't that the goal? Yeah. Yes.
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I call it soul care, right? It's your soul.
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It's connecting your body, your soul, and your spirit to truth, to capital T truth.
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And if you were created in God's mind before the foundations of the earth existed,
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God dreamt you up. And he's like, I want one of her, one of him.
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That is our original design.
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Right. Theologically, we can, you know, there's a lot of like, were you born sinful?
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Were you born, did God, like, were you born sinful? Are you from Adam?
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Are you from Jesus? Like, what is that? And again, these are theological beliefs
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that you get to question and say, hold on.
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And so at the end of the day, what I hear you saying, Christine,
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is that I've called myself a transformation coach, an identity coach.
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Like, I literally don't know what to call myself. I do a lot of things, right?
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Right. It's pretty complicated for me. But at the end of the day,
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how we walk in freedom is restoration of our identity, the original design.
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If we are heaven made, we are made, we are like heaven sent.
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We say that, heaven sent, heaven made. But what if we truly believed that God
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fashioned us and he fearfully and wonderfully made in our mother's womb?
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Who is that? Who is that version of you?
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Before you were now earth side in a fallen world, this system that you were
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born into, you had to learn how to conform to match that system.
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But we were never meant for the world systems. We were meant for the kingdom.
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And when we can re establish our kingdom identity and realign our body,
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our soul and our spirit to the kingdom, then we walk out the freedom the peace
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the joy looking back even last week and finding this this,
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rooting of trauma and saying whoa absolutely not you do not that that's a lie it made me excited,
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and now i see healing and i'm like let's go for it let's run through walls let's
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find out wherever it is so that yeah so that we can return to the original design,
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and step into where god is leading.
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And is this is this what you feel happens with the women who work with you,
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Yeah, 100%. And they usually do come in just like you. It's overwhelming.
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You want to figure out what's wrong, especially if you're like,
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oh my gosh, I don't believe the right things.
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And so we really look at ourselves as a project. And one of the things I tell
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my clients all the time, you are not a project to be fixed.
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You are a daughter to be loved. It's the kindness of the father that leads us to repentance.
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What is repentance? To change your mind, to go in the other direction.
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And so in order for us to repent, we've got to connect to the kindness of a
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father who's like, baby girl, that is not, you are chosen.
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Like, I know you experienced something on earth that made you feel not chosen,
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that gave you the impression that you were, but your true identity is chosen,
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is loved, is a one of a kind, a masterpiece, all the things.
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And so we have to heal the area that where the enemy came and stole,
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killed and destroyed, like your identity, right?
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Which often happens in childhood, which again, is an adult that's trying to
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like do the right thing. And it's maddening because you're like,
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I know the truth in my head, right?
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Oh, and so yes to, and let me say this because I feel like this is really important
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for the person listening, like who wants to figure out everything that's wrong
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with you. Pause. Here's what I encourage you to do.
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First of all, we have to get so clear on the vision that we want.
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That's the first step because what is sin? Sin is missing the mark.
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So I think of a target and the bullseye in the center is the perfection.
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That could be our identity. That could be our calling, whatever.
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We're going for that thing in the center.
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Now, as we're going, we have clear definition of what is that in the center.
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As we're going toward that, we're going to miss the mark sometimes.
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We're going to, life is going to life, you know, we're just going to make us
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miss the mark. Okay. And when we miss the mark, oftentimes that happens by triggers.
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Pay attention to the things that trigger you. Instead of going to look for what's
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wrong, we aim for the target. We aim for the bullseye. We aim for the vision.
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And then as life lives, we have tools and skills to be able to deal with what
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is happening inside of me so that we can get to the root of what is this belief?
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What is this experience that I've had that is not from the tree of life?
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It's from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and really the evil part.
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And so it's like, oh, we were meant to eat from the tree of life,
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but we haven't because we live in this world.
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And so we get to say, hey, why did that bother me?
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Or why did that hurt my feelings? Or why am I feeling angry? Why am I feeling sad?
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Pause. What is that? What does that trigger? And the trigger is a teacher.
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It's trying to show you something. Really, usually it's a wound that Jesus hasn't
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got to heal yet. And so get curious around those instead of getting critical
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around those. I feel like the more healing I've done, too, the more compassion I've had for people.
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I don't know if you have that same piece.
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You can't give what you haven't received. And so in order for you to,
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help other people in a very authentic way, I think, again, a lot of a lot of
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a lot of well-meaning people in in religious circles are,
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they spiritually bypass because they're so uncomfortable with somebody else's
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pain or sin or discomfort or whatever.
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But when you've been able to sit with your own pain, your own mindset that is
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like so off, then you're able to have compassion on somebody else and say, oh, I've been there too.
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And it doesn't make logical sense because, again, we can say part of me knows that that's not true.
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Yeah, what we want to tend to is the part of you that doesn't know,
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the part of you that agrees with the thing.
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It's so interesting because there's a friend of mine who is walking in their
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faith journey. They're just learning so much. And then there's another friend
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of mine who is very much further in their religious journey.
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And they've been a believer for so long.
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And they were so judgmental to this other person and said something that I could
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have seen myself saying myself a couple years ago.
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But it was that church hurt piece, right?
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That piece where you're just saying something and you have no idea how painful
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that message was for somebody else. And when I heard of this happening...
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It makes me sad, where before I would have been mad. But then you look at it
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through a different lens, and my response was, this is not the heart of Jesus,
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and I'm sorry that this happened to you.
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And that judgment, and for somebody else to speak such words of judgment to
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somebody else without knowing their heart or their journey, that's not the heart of Jesus.
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Yes. That's why I'm trauma informed, because I had realized that most of my
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beginning part of my entrepreneurial journey was just behavior modification, work harder.
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You are just you're willing to work harder than anybody else.
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And anybody else is just not worth.
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They're just whatever, lazy or don't want it bad enough. But then I,
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in my own journey, after losing everything and trying to get back up on my feet
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and couldn't figure out why, I had so much frustration with myself.
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I'm like, I've already done this before. Like, I've already built massively successful things.
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What is my problem? And I didn't have any of that compassion for myself either.
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But then I learned how trauma impacts people. And I think that the church at large,
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could really use some sermon series on what is trauma and how does it affect
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our ability to see and think and feel,
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like I have the mind of Christ, like all the things like God is not looking
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for us to bypass our feelings and our.
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All the stuff, the fears that we have.
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He wants us to bring them to him so that he can disciple us as a good father
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in that. And so, yeah, I think it's so interesting that you saw yourself.
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Maybe you could have been judgmental before.
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But yeah, when you, I always say honesty is kindness.
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When you've been honest with yourself, other people's honesty doesn't offend
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you. Yeah. Well, and I think it's just truly also understanding that the Bible
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tells us if you ask for a loaf of bread...
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You're not going to get a stone. Jesus is, God is, the Holy Spirit is loving
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and kind and going to help you heal and step into that and understand.
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But you also need to go to the Father and ask for what you need.
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And I think have those conversations.
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I think we had a conversation one time and you're like, if you're mad,
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if you're upset, if you're sad, tell God.
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Like, tell him, talk to him. Here he knows. And he is not offended.
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I think God is very confident in his character and his nature.
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And even though you may feel he's one way, I think the whole point is him to
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show you the side of him that is Jehovah Rapha, Jehovah Nisi,
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Jehovah Jireh. He's like, let me show you.
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Because it's one thing to know it in your head, but it's another thing to experience it.
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And so I've told God many times, hey, talk is cheap. Talk is cheap.
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I've read the verses. I already know that you are X, Y, Z, but I'm going to
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need you to like show up and reparent me,
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refather me in this because it doesn't feel like you love me or you're protecting me or whatever.
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And show me the lie. Show me where I originally experienced some pain like this
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that created an imprint in my nervous system
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that I came into agreement with this thought, belief, whether it was about myself
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or about God or about someone else, that is keeping me stuck.
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And some people might be offended by that. But I think for me,
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my ability to ask God the hard question shows how tight we are. A hundred percent.
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I remember the past many, many weeks as I've been working through something,
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it's always something new. And I was.
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Have cried so many times asking God like please just show me where is this coming from
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why can't why do I keep doing the same thing why do I keep walking myself into
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these same situations or circumstances and he showed me and it wasn't quick
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but I think he really wanted me to get to the point,
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where I was ready to hear what he had to say,
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yeah and that goes back to why healing happens in layers.
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If God would have showed, so I just walk, I have been walking a really hard
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season with God, really actually probably the hardest season.
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And I've done, I've walked through some hard things.
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And so if God showed me a year ago or three years ago, even,
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you know, five months ago, what he showed me recently, I wasn't ready for that.
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And I think God in his kindness allows healing to happen slowly,
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even though we want, like you said, the microwave, like, can I push a button?
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Can it be a minute and it's ready to go? And I'm, you know, yeah.
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And we usually miss out on an experience. Like we don't need more information.
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One of the things I tell clients all the time, you don't need another Bible
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verse. And that might sound heretical, like, but you don't need another Bible
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verse. You need to understand why the ones you already know aren't true for you.
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And so cause, like, hey, get curious around that. Why do you read it,
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but it doesn't feel true to you?
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Well, there's a story attached to that.
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God wants to show us. He wants us to experience the truth, gnosko, know it.
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And then the truth sets us free. God is an experiential God.
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He wants us to, this is a whole Bible, right?
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People are taking accounts of their encounters with God.
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And that's why Jesus came, because a lot of the Old Testament got it wrong.
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They misunderstood him. And so Jesus is like, okay, I'm going to come show you
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exactly who the Father is.
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Otherwise, Jesus didn't need to come. If they already knew exactly who he was,
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Jesus didn't need to come because they just would keep pleasing the God.
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But he's like, no, let me actually show you who God is. I'm going to come and I'm going to show you.
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Everything I say, everything I do is only from the Father.
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Oh, and that was a radical difference than some of the other stuff that we see
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people thinking about God and who he is. And that's our journey,
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too. Just because somebody told you it's what God is, it's like he wants you
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to experience. It's like knowing a celebrity.
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Okay, you might have seen where they ate on Friday night, but did you go eat with them?
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Like, God wants us to sit at the table and eat with him. So good.
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Well, I know working with you changed my life, and it's led here.
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So tell our listeners if they are truly ready to step into this next episode.
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Level of healing and the desire to work with somebody personally.
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Tell us what avenues, what do you offer for people to partner with you?
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Yeah, so I do have for entrepreneurs the Seek First CEO Academy.
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It's teaching you all the brain science, the nervous system, goal setting.
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Like it's really geared toward that entrepreneurial person. I have been prayerfully
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considering teaching the same framework that I teach in there,
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but making it not so businessy because I do believe that the framework is really.
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It's freedom for people.
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I'm not there yet, but stay tuned for that. You can follow me on social media.
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And then I do offer one-on-one for the right people, like you,
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for that really, really intimate space. And so that's just like a one-to-one.
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We can kind of see if we would be a good fit together. Can you share with us
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your Instagram, your podcast, all of the information? And of course,
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we will have all this in the show notes.
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Yeah, so Seek First CEO is the podcast. and then all of my Instagram.
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I'm really mostly only active on Instagram these days, but it's my first Heather Schreiber Burns.
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So thankful you were on here today for this conversation and everything,
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this gift that you've poured into me for years. So thank you for being here.
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What an honor. And I just want you to know, I am so proud of you that seeing
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the fruit of your life today is a direct reflection of the work that you did years ago.
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And so I know for someone else coming upon you, like falling,
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you know, stumbling on you and like, who is this girl?
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And like, oh, look at look at all the fruit. Yeah, it was from you going deep
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into the soil, pulling out the weeds, planting new seeds and watering the soil of your heart.
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And so it's been such an honor and a pleasure to be your friend and to be able
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to celebrate all that you've been doing.
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Thank you so much. And just as Heather shared, if you are ready to step into
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that work, there is truly nobody better to partner with.
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Friend, I am so thankful that you are here today. I pray this episode blessed you big time.
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And if it did, would you do me a favor and leave me a review on Apple Podcasts?
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It helps more women just like you find the show. And it may be the very reason
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that somebody else gets the answers that they need.
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I would also love to connect with you personally on Instagram.
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You can find me by searching cortisol underscore coach.
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That's where I show up every single day. And send me a DM. I would love to connect
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with you. I'll see you next time.