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Speaker 2: Man Hey, Mike i'm doing. Great hope you are as
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well as.
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Speaker 1: Always good to catch up with you and a good
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piece over At inside The birds Dot. Com and you,
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know we talk a little. Bit you. Know one of
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the questions we had on for motion the mailbag was
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about who the number three wide receiver the clear guy.
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Is you wrote About dotson AND i really wanted to
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kind of pick your brain on. Him you have him
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as a guy that you think could be an offensive
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breakout type of, player or at least it improved candidate
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from last. YEAR i wanted to get your thoughts on
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how getting traded for when he did impacted his production
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and what being here for the whole season now could
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do for him this.
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Speaker 2: Season, YEAH i think that was a primary, hindrance right
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because he didn't suddenly have his skills eroded when he
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got To. PHILADELPHIA i don't think enough was Made mike
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about and this isn't just For Johann, vassen but for
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any player that's really put in that situation about how
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difficult it, is especially when you land with a new
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team two weeks before the season, starts when you spent
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all of the offseason and training camp learning an entirely different.
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System you have to get continuity with your. Quarterback you
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have to figure out the ways that this offensive coordinator
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wants the things to be. Done and before you know,
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it they had to go To brazil and play that first,
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game and it never quite looked Like dotson was, comfortable
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nor did it seem Like Jaywn hurt's was overly infatuated
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with getting him the. FOOTBALL a lot of that probably
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has to do, with you, know not having that continuity
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and having those reps together in the. Offseason but then
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you started to see later in the season he made
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some big. Play he'd the twenty seven yard are obviously
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in The Super bowl that was originally believed to be a.
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Touchdown he had the touchdown in the playoffs as well
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a couple of weeks prior against The. Packers So i'm
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thinking that he can possibly build off of this success
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that he had late in the, season and now he
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has the luxury of having the full off season where
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you're able to get those reps and those throwing sessions
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in with the. Quarterback And i'm curious also to see
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How Kevin patulo chooses to utilize, him because if you
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look at, IT i think he just had like eleven
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point four yards per. Reception Johan dotson has a lot
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to offer after the, catch getting him the ball in.
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SPACE i didn't think a lot of the routes that
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he was asked to run were really taking advantage of
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his skill. Set so maybe he might see some different
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utilization For Jahan dotson this. Year, Look i'm not suggesting
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that he's going to overtake Aj, Brown Devonte smith Or
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Dallas goddard and the pecking, order that would be, silly
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BUT i certainly think he can do more than nineteen
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receptions on thirty three targets for two hundred and sixteen.
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Speaker 1: Yards, YEAH i was gonna, say follow up with The
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dotson and people got excited about. HIM i, think you,
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know his first round. Pick he's a guy Wins Penn.
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State people knew who he. Was what are some of
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the things he does well that had people?
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Speaker 2: Excited, well and first and, foremost he's primarily an outside,
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receiver so he was aligning, inside which doesn't necessarily cater
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to what he's good. At, obviously the goal is to
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get your best three receivers on the field when you're
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not utilizing both tight. Ends but he's really good after the.
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CATCH i thought that when he was in his rookie
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season in, particular he was good at going up and
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getting the. Football he didn't seem to have any sort
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of reluctance when the ball was in the. Air it
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was His AND i think he's possibly probably more of
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a number two, receiver maybe even a number three receiver
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on a really good. Team but he does have a
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lot more to, offer especially when you look at some
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of the plays there were lack thereof that were down
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the field for The eagles last. SEASON i think he
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has that ability to really be a vertical slot and
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open things up for The eagles.
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Speaker 1: Offensively Andrew checko football for dots In Johan dotson and
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you Got Terrace marshall another guy that they signed this all,
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season And adam AND i were talking about him the
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other day about you, know when he was in the draft,
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class he had played in college with a ton of talented.
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Guys adding him, THERE i guess should at least push
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Push dotson to let them, know, hey we brought it
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a little competition for you.
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Speaker 2: Too. Yeah i'll be the first to raise my hand
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and SAY i never want to make too. MUCH i
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never made too much off of those signings that are
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late in the. Process if a player hasn't really found
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his footing at multiple stops and they were a higher draft.
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Pick i'm always more along the lines of a wait
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and see type of. Evaluator that's sort of What i've
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learned throughout my. Career but WHAT i will say is
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what the information that we have to go off of
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is OTAs and that one mandatory mini camp practice that
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was that we attended as the, media and WHAT i
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will say is you can see the confidence already there
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From Jalen hurts and finding ways to get him the.
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Football he's a bigger, body wide. Receiver he can shield
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off defenders and if they don't get what they're looking
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for From Johnny wilson this, summer that's a spot Where
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Terris marshall can really fulfill that type of role of
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doing the dirty work and frame other players up for big.
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Plays BUT i think the key here is is that
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he got to The eagles much earlier than someone Like
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johan Das and did last, year so he's able to
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kind of absorb the offense and so when you get
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the training, camp there's not that acclamation. Period you're already
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on the same page as those other.
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Speaker 1: Quarterbacks how much we're talking With Andrew checker For football For,
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Today how big of a Role andrew do you See
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Kevin batula having in kind of. Unlocking he's a pass game,
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Guy he's been a guy who's been a receiver, coach
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pass game. Coordinator do you think that there is now
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more of an opportunity Because patula will be calling the.
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Speaker 2: PLAYS i think so and he might get some pack on,
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that because they're going to say this is the same
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coach who oversaw a very, staggering lethargic passing attack last
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season and even the year. Before but the reality is
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is sometimes you're able to see things through a different,
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lens and, yeah maybe you kind of go back to
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the drawing. Board, okay here's what, Worked here's what didn't.
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Work this is WHAT i can do to put someone
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like maybe A Jahan dotson in a better position to be.
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Successful here's how we can better take advantage of aj And.
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DeVante how about the middle of the. Field we didn't
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use that. Enough maybe we can tap into. That and
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now he has full control over. That AND i really
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do believe that you're going to see him find ways
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to expand the passing, game to add some new wrinkles to,
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it and really take full advantage of the gamut of
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pass catchers that they.
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Speaker 1: Have now here's a kind of a question you might
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not be able to answer in terms of, specifics but
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maybe just a ballpark. Here he played fifty eight percent
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of the snaps last. Year what's kind of an ideal
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share for him to make an? Impact and who's catches
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does he cut Into that's where it's hard For donson
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to make a big impact numerically.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, YEAH i MEAN i think that fifty eight to
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sixty range is kind of WHAT i was. Expecting, however
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a lot of times they just seem like he was
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running routes and getting his steps in and his cardo.
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In this time this, YEAR i think you're going to
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see a player that is running routes with a purpose
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and has that belief that the ball is going to
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come his way and the quarterback is going to have
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a lot more confidence in throwing the ball his way
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because they're on the same. Page there's not that guess
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work or that that's ceiling out. Stage but, REALISTICALLY i
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don't know if he's going To Now CAN i see
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him maybe getting twenty five, Catches, sure that will be an.
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Improvement can he work down the field and have defense
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force defenses to play The eagles a little bit differently
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over the? Top, absolutely that would be an. Improvement making
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plays in space another improvement. There BUT i mean even
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the year, BEFORE i Know i'm going to mention a
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name that's not very popular In Ques, watkins but he
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only had fifteen catches as, well it's very difficult to
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facilitate the ball to all of your playmakers without short
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changing your marquee ones LIKE Aj, Brown DeVante, smith And Dallas.
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Goddard but IF i had to, guess Maybe devonte might
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see fewer targets BECAUSE i think That Dallas godder is
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going to Have and we say this every, year BUT
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i really do believe it one of those seasons that
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we look back on and, say we we we finally
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got the one that we were all.
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Speaker 1: Forecasting you, ALSO i know from last week in the
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mailbag who's gonna have a bigger? Year barkley or Aj?
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Brown you did not hesitate with your answer OF Aj
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brown on that. One let's go to defense where you
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Highlight Jylex hunt as a breakout. Candidate AND i think
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it's either him Or Nolan smith that everybody's you're either
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buying into one or. Both there's a lot of hype around,
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him is? It you Know Vic fangio, Obviously Jeremiah washburn
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don't forget him as. Well working With Jylex hunt, here
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is it too much to think that he could step,
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in replace and exceed what you got From Josh Sweat
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or is that what The eagles are hoping.
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Speaker 2: FOR i don't think it's too much to Ask. Mike
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and the reason WHY i say that Is jalox has
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more juice than someone like A Josh. Sweat jalox has
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in a year's time gone from being a player who
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many were on the fence about that thought The eagles
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reached for in the third, round which was absolutely incorrect
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to a player now who is going to have the
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opportunity to. Start but, moreover in the by, midseason he
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was the third edge, rusher AND i thought it was
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interesting That Dick fanger didn't feel the need to lean
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on A Charles, harris a veteran player who was on
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the practice. Squad, instead he was okay with What Jayalox
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hunt was giving. Them BUT i also think that there's
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another element to, this and it was its run. Defense
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being able to set the, edge and he was a
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willing participant in run, defense which you don't often see
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for players who are sort of learning that position and
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maybe don't haven't quite grown into their. Body AND i
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really do think that he can give you eight or
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nine sacks and be much more of a consistent player
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week in and week out Than Josh sweat is just
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because you've when he's on the, field there wasn't a
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play or there wasn't a game that went by where
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you can't highlight a play where he was running to
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the football with, urgency making a play against the, run
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finding ways to displace offensive. Linemen one thing THAT i
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liked About Josh wett was obviously how he finished last season.
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Strong but there are way too many times over the
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years Where Josh sweat has gone radio silent for a
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extended period of. TIME i don't Think jayalok hunts that
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kind of.
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Speaker 1: Player you Got tim And nolan's with both young young.
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Players are they taking a risk going this young or
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just just kind of kind of the evolution of you,
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know the position at this point where they are.
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Speaker 2: Well Everything neagles have done this offseason is to make
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sure that the roster is built for a sustained success
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and build around as young nucleus and that all the
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good teams tend. To you, know you have these homegrown
10:48
talents and sometimes you have to get those startup costs
10:51
out of the, way And eagles did that over the
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past couple of, years and now it is their time
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to go and take advantage of the. Opportunity it's kind
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of just it's kind of the way that it goes
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in THE, nfl and you can't pay. Everybody there's so
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much money tied into This eagles offense that eventually that
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pendulum is gonna swing and they're gonna have to spend
11:09
and to keep a lot of these players in, house
11:11
like Your Quinnion mitchell's And cooper De jeans And Nolan,
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Smiths Jalen carter And reid blanket. Ships so eventually they're
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going to have to lock these guys in to make
11:20
sure that they're able to ensure that. Success but it's
11:22
just kind of the way that it goes when you're
11:23
trying to build a team to not only be impactful
11:26
for one, year but also be a force for years to.
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Speaker 1: Come All, Right andrew De checko read that full article
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on his breakout players over At inside The birds dot.
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Com you have another piece about the, Corners Ringo. Jackson
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it seems to be a. Battle it's not gonna be Jyr.
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Alexander he signed With baltimore, Yesterday so those two guys
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are in the clear of them bringing in an established
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player at that. Position and as we, know most people
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Think ringo has the inside track on that. Job do
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you think he is ready for a starting role in
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this third?
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Speaker 2: Season? NOW i think that it's now or, never AND
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i think that he has all the ability to be
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able to make that leap, forward and he's going to
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be given every opportunity to win this. Job, look this
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is a player going into his third. Season you like the,
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length you like the. Athleticism now it becomes are you
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a consistent enough player For Vic fangier to trust? You
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are you A simon? Sound are you a highly volatile?
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Player a high variance type of player where on a
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given play it's feast or, famine like maybe A Sidney
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brown has proven to be in his. Past but WHAT
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i will say About ringo is that he talked about
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this offseason about honing in on his. Technique that has
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to be music to the, years to his, coaches Especially Vic,
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vangio because it hasn't been the athleticism where he has
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had some of those hang. Ups it's been with technique
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being too, handsy being a little bit too gravy to
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the point where you didn't really see him on the.
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Field and Eventually Isaiah rodgers leap prognat but WHAT i
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will say to all of that that none of that matters.
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Anymore this is a new. Season players grow and, develop
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And ringo is going to have this opportunity and he
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is to make that. Mistake he is the clear front
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runner to win this. Job But Dority, jackson he's seen it, All,
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mike and he's going to have something to say about.
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It but this is one of those battles THAT i
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am most fascinated to see how it.
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Speaker 1: Unfold, yeah there's no question about. It you, Know jackson
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was kind OF i would imagine he was just kind
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of brought here as like a safety, valve just in.
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Case but you look at it, like For, ringo is
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this The eagles hoping that potential finally meets opportunity because
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this is a guy who has a track record going
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back To, georgia, RIGHT i, mean he was maybe one
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of the most, athletic intriguing prospects in that, draft and you,
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know obviously he gets he comes To philadelphia and he
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just hasn't played all that duc does his potential finally
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meet this Opportunity that will be one of the big stories.
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Here and Then Ringo fangio emphasized That, ringo you know
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needs the. Reps sometimes you just need to. Play sometimes
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you don't show what you could do in practice, settings,
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RIGHT i, mean sometimes you just need to get out
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in the. Field but what do you Think ringo Has
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how he has you, know presented himself when he has
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been out on the field.
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Speaker 2: Really really, Confident, mike and especially it's it's In OTAs
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and he was going to stand out In OTAs last
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year and it didn't always that doesn't always translate to
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having a successful training. Camp but WHAT i will say
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is you look for certain, traits for, one but you
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also look to see how they acquit themselves going against
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some more of the pre eminent players on the. Roster
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and WHAT i mean by that is lining up OPPOSITE Aj,
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brown there wasn't a, Moment there wasn't a snapper or
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play THAT i can ever think Of ringo backing down
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from the challenge or looking like he wasn't up for that.
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Challenge he was run step first step in phase With
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aj and competing throughout the catch and he got his
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hands in there for a couple of breakups on the
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final practice that we were there. For he's a confident
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player AND i think sometimes it takes a little bit
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longer for the light to come. On we often talk
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about his, youth BUT i think right now he has
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the goods to go out there this summer and really
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nail down a starting.
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Speaker 1: Spot so let's bring up With Dory jackson real. Quick
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he is a veteran, player but how much of a
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reat is he to win the? JOB i mean sometimes
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we're just, like, well they Want ringo to win. It you,
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Know ringo's the better, athlete he has got more, Pretend
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but how much is a threat is Adri? Jackson is
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he just, like, hey the veteran break last in case of,
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emergency or is he a guy that still has some you,
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know this guy was a first round pick.
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Speaker 2: Too. Yeah, no the competition's absolutely. Legitimate they're not just
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going to HAND Kii ringo the job and A Dori
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jackson working in his. Favor, yeah he is a little
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bit of an older, player but there hasn't been that
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steep decline in terms of his, speed which he was
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known for when he came out OF. Usc he is
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somebody who can play, outside, obviously but also. Inside and
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he's played in ninety plus games in THE nfl, level
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so there's not a lot that teams can throw at
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him that he hasn't. Seen he doesn't. Mind he doesn't
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have the same. Upside he's always has four career interceptions in.
15:47
Him if you can believe that he doesn't have the
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upside of A, ringo but he is somebody that if
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Fic fangio and we know that he prioritizes steady players
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that don't necessarily go out there and it's not an E,
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kg then that's something that you know he. Does he
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could feasibly work his way into that starting. Conversation but
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If ringo puts it all, together and there's no reason
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right now to suggests that he, won't that job is
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going to go to him because he. Does he's a
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player that has been in this system for three years,
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now they've they've, drafted they have more invested in, him
16:16
and he does offer more. Upside, yeah you know it's.
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Speaker 1: In he's got the upside going for. Him you got
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a guy like A dori jacksonan sound signment play, football
16:25
could be a guy that you, know Maybe fangio feels
16:29
a little bit more comfortable. With we'll, see Maybe dory
16:32
starts has a shorter lease and Then ringo takes over
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or If ringo, starts is there a short least there knowing, That,
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HEY i got a guy waiting in there that knows
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what he's. Doing that will be a very interesting. Storyline
16:43
how that whole, THING i, know that's one that you're
16:45
really looking. At you wrote about it over At inside
16:48
The birds dot. Com one other thing That andrew wrote
16:50
about that really good, piece BECAUSE i love the competition
16:54
That ojalari and Josh usha bring to the table. Here
16:58
and we talked About hunt The, smith the young, guy
17:02
but how big of an impact or having these two
17:05
guys at training Camp they might both make the, team
17:08
maybe only, one but having both of those guys there
17:11
to push those young, guys, well.
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Speaker 2: It's incredibly, important especially when you look at the depth
17:16
Behind Noan smith And jayliksan and really beyond o'jelari and
17:20
the New. Shade both of those players have questions and
17:22
we'll get to that in a. Second but after, That
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mike is Just Patrick, johnson who's more of a special teams,
17:27
Player Antoine Powell ryland who The eagles drafted and probably
17:30
have some you, know some degrees of expectations but maybe
17:33
not quite. Yet and then you Have O'shawn mathis AND kJ,
17:36
henry who were holdovers from last. Season they were on
17:39
the practice, Squad so they really need probably both, players
17:43
but certainly O, jalari who offers a little bit more
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juice as a pass. Rusher twenty two career, sacks twenty
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five years. Old there is one season where he played
17:51
over seven hundred snaps and that was where he had
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the most. AVAILABILITY i don't think there's a coincidence, there
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but he's somebody that has played a lot of. Football
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he's been, available AND i think he offers a little bit.
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More he's less of a one dimensional player than a,
18:04
neuche so he would be the third as rusher in my.
18:07
Opinion and oushe's gotten some compliments From, fangio From Wayne,
18:12
johnson so that's a player that maybe this system really
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caters to what he does well and he might be
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able to tap into the player that he was in
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twenty twenty. Two we have no real way of knowing
18:23
until we get the training camp and the pads come,
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on but it's very Important mike to answer your question
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that both players are really sort of round in the
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form and Give vegles that depth that they really. Need
18:32
at that edge. Position.
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Speaker 1: Yeah Oje lari was a second round pick of The,
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giants Another georgia, guy a lot of. Injuries he's played
18:39
just forty six games since being drafted in twenty twenty.
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ONE i like the of that of those, TWO i
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find him to be the more intriguing, one how about, You.
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Speaker 2: Yeah Ojer laurie is my most impactful for. Age in,
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addition at least right now that that was my pick
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just because you see the. Youth you know he's reuniting
18:58
with a lot of his former, teammates and perhaps he's
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somebody that will just thrive in a change of scenery
19:03
and a winning, organization with the place that knows how
19:06
to to really get the most in terms of health
19:08
from their. Players they have good practices with The Philadelphi,
19:11
eagles AND i think that in this system he should
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be able to. Thrive and you'd be hard press mic
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to find a better third edge, rusher at least one
19:18
with more upside Than.
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