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David Bowen: What I Learned On The Ground With The IDF In Israel · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Friends, family and Christ, thank you so much for tuning in, for watching, for listening,
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  whatever platform you are, you're going to be in for a treat today.
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  We're going to get a behind-the-scenes report on Israel, a friend and brother in Christ who
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  recently took a trip there and spent some time with the IDF.
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  We're going to bring in Dr. David Bowen.
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  First time on the podcast, it's a blessing to catch up with this brother.
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  He's a pastor of standing stones, community church in Phoenix, Arizona, and he teaches
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  at Grand Canyon University.
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  Well, he just returned from Israel.
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  He worked with the IDF for 10 days when he was there, and I'm sure he saw some eye-opening
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  things, and he's here to report about his experience, and we'll learn a lot more today.
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  Brother, welcome to World View Matters, so good to see you.
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  David, thanks for having me.
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  I've been a fan of yours in the show for a while, so it's a joy to be on your show, brother.
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  Oh, my goodness.
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  You're too kind.
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  So let me give the websites real quick.
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  The first one, standingstonescc.org, that's Standing Stones Community Church.
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  So standingstonescc.org.
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  And then his other website is interpretingthetimes.com, interpretingthetimes.com.
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  And I see videos there, I see all kinds of things, I know I connected with you on Facebook
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  as well.
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  Is there anything else as far as how people can find out more about you or get a hold
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  of you that you want to mention on their website, I know your Facebook, anything else,
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  David?
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  Yeah, the best way is interpretingthetimes.com, as you mentioned there.
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  And if you're in the Phoenix area, Standing Stones Community Church, we're northeast Phoenix,
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  love to have you with us, but basically online, interpretingthetimes.com will be where you
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  can find everything you need to know about us.
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  Awesome.
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  Awesome.
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  So, brother, I almost don't know where to start, but when you were showing some videos
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  about, you know, behind the scenes there, you were in a helicopter with the IDF, first
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  I'm going, man, that would be a great experience, but was there any sense of danger?
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  Obviously, you're with guys that knew what they were doing, but as an observer there, just
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  tell us a little bit about the overall sense of your experience there.
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  And then we'll get into some of the specifics of where you went.
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  Yeah, what's in the helicopter?
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  It was a Humvee, you were on the ground with that.
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  You didn't get me air, but it's just, being with, being with these guys, I was amazed
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  at them.
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  What I don't understand is, you know, they have a military of about 20,000.
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  The IDF, the soldier is about 20,000, that's strong.
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  But the reserves, they just called up almost 300,000 reserves in the last two years since
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  the war started over there.
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  So the reserves don't get the equipment that the IDF gets.
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  They're pretty much on their own to get things.
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  So one of the things I went over that, I wanted to say firsthand, what I wanted to say,
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  what I was like to literally walk in their footsteps and to be with them, to find out
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  what their needs are, because I wanted to come alongside and help them with whatever
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  needs they are.
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  And David, I found out, you know, they have vests, but they're not, they don't have the
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  steel in their vests, they're not protected.
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  They don't have boots, they don't have the right kind of boots.
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  They don't have basic equipment.
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  The reserves are basically on their own to get their own stuff.
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  They might be given a gun and a couple of them showed me their guns.
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  They're from the 1970s.
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  So it's just really heartbreaking to see what they have and what they need.
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  I mean, they're in the middle of war, defending a country, defending righteousness.
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  And I'm not even calling it a war.
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  It's not a war.
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  They're fighting terrorism, which taking place over there is not war.
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  It's terrorism.
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  Thank you.
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  And they're taking the stand for righteousness.
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  So to be with them, it was just a joy and an honor.
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  Let's go back to the equipment briefly.
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  Don't they get money from the United States?
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  Where does that money go for fighting the war that obviously doesn't get to their equipment
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  and what their armor and whatever else they need?
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  Can you explain a little bit more of that in detail?
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  Well, the IDF itself is not supposed to take any kind of donations.
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  They want them to have the best equipment.
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  And it kind of goes from the Air Force, the F-35 pilots get top-notch, then special
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  ops, and then you get the fighting men and they get the reserves.
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  So 20,000, they kind of cover that.
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  When you get to 150, 200, 300,000 reserves being called up, there's just not enough equipment
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  and funds to go around.
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  That makes sense.
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  And now they're calling up a no, Gaza City is on the radar, and that's going to be happening
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  in the next few weeks.
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  There's something going on in Lebanon right now, and we were right there on the border in Lebanon.
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  We were in Syria.
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  We were in Gaza.
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  So there's things happening now that just now calling up another 60,000 reserves.
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  So you have to be in the military.
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  Guys, when you're 18, you have three-year commitment, girls, you have a two-year commitment.
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  But even when you go in, you get a uniform, and you get some boots, and you get a gun,
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  and that's about it.
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  The parents actually have to provide the rest of it.
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  And many parents over there will open an Amazon account, and they will have things like
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  socks and things that their child's going to need to serve for the next two or three
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  years.
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  They get the basic equipment, and then they're on their own for the rest.
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  But some of this stuff, I mean, again, you're talking about night goggles.
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  You're talking about boots, that are real boots.
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  You're talking about vests that are really protected, vests, and helmets.
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  That's what we're coming in and bringing some funds in and helping.
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  Can you talk a little bit about the young girls, young women, the two-year commitment?
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  I mean, over in the West, we almost find that unheard of.
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  That women are fighting in the Israel defense forces.
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  Ideas.
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  Yes.
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  Wow.
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  It actually begins in high school.
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  So on grade 11, they start having their first meetings.
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  They have to go in for different tests.
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  They actually take a test in Hebrew.
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  How well do you speak Hebrew?
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  And what's interesting, David, I know we're in the end times, because God is bringing people
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  back to Israel.
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  People from other countries who feel called whole are coming home.
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  I met groups from Ethiopia.
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  I met Americans who went over there and they're serving in the IDF.
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  They didn't have a job.
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  They didn't have family.
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  God just called them back.
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  But they have to speak in Hebrew.
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  So one of the tests they have is a Hebrew test.
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  And they get greater from one to 10.
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  Then they have an intelligence test.
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  Then they have a physical test.
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  So from grade 11 up until they graduate, they're taking all these tests, and they get to
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  find out what their job's going to be, where they're classified, what they're qualified
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  for, and they kind of get placed.
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  So when they turn 18, they're ready to start serving in the military.
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  The females, it's a two-year commitment, the males, it's a three-year commitment.
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  So in high school, I was talking to an 18-year-old over there who just graduated, and she wants
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  to be an F-35 fighter pilot.
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  Now, this 300 beginning that class, it's a three-year program.
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  They can cut you at any time, and about 10% of them will actually make it, about 1% will
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  be female.
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  So the numbers are against her, but she's determined to do it.
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  She just had a friend of hers who was in the program for two years, and he was just cut.
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  He was cut because they qualified him as not being motivated.
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  He passed all his tests.
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  He was doing everything, but they said he wasn't motivated enough, so he got kicked from
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  the program, and you can get cut at any time in the three years.
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  Wow.
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  So to follow up on what you just shared a part of it about young women, a lot of people
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  might be wondering, well, still, why women, they don't understand, think about the population
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  in Israel, think about the ongoing wars and threats and attacks from other nations
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  for decades and decades, how long this has been going on, that there's a constant threat,
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  they live under constant threats, and then think about who needs to be called up, who
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  needs to be ready for what border are they going up to the north, they're going to Gaza,
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  so can you explain any more of that a little bit better than I just did, David, because
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  people still might be wondering, wow, why do they need so many reserves?
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  Well, they are fighting everywhere with this, and when I really learned over there too,
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  and I was guilty when Lebanon at fire rockets into Israel, you would hear, they would hit
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  the field, and I'd go, oh, one article was it hit a cow and killed a couple cows, and
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  I kind of said, well, they missed, it's okay, they took out some farm land or something.
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  Well, families kind of taught me a lesson over there, they're saying, you don't understand,
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  that was somebody's orchard.
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  Hit that chicken coop, it wiped out 40 years of farming, it caused fires, it caused destruction,
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  it was, it's taking lifestyles and turning it upside down, so when the rockets come in,
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  if it's not killing life, it's destroying their livelihood, and then another thing they do,
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  and they're not firing up military people, they're not firing up military facilities,
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  they're firing into civilian populations, and seeing the rockets that they fired,
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  they're wrapping them with nails and with ball bearings, so that, when they hit, they explode,
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  and the Shapiro goes out and to lame and kill and hurt people, it's designed to take away civilian
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  lives, not military lives, they're aiming for the civilian, so you got to protect yourself constantly.
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  We were up in the Syria border, we just crossed over in the Syria, and there was a family parked
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  a car next to us, there was a public area, not too far away, and they opened their trunk, and I
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  went over and said, can I get a picture of your trunk? And they kind of looked at me like, yeah,
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  but why? In it was vest, helmets, boots, it's a regular family going out for our outing,
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  they always have to be prepared, never knowing what's going to happen. We went down to Samaria,
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  it's not the West Bank, it's Samaria, and to the farmers, the farmers are being killed,
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  the farmers are being slaughtered, it's amazing it's taking place over there. The IDF is just
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  put technology in place with them monitoring 100 farms over there now, they will say, hey,
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  let's go kill some Jews, and they'll go to the farmland, and they'll wipe out families on farms
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  that have no protection for themselves. Up in the north, in Golden Heights, we met a militia,
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  basically, it's 120 men strong now, because the Golden Heights is expanded, it's a mountain range,
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  and you can come over and attack, and you can't cover all that ground, it's not enough manpower,
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  so they've got a volunteer force, it was a volunteer force of 120 militia, they are now part of,
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  they're not reserved now, they are now part of the IDF, but they're on their own for their own
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  equipment. Wow, let's talk about that because before we got on the podcast, you said there is a way
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  that your church or your ministry can help with donations that come in, you can send money over
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  for equipment, do I have that right, and how do people donate if they want to?
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  Yeah, interpreting the times is our ministry, we started that about 20 years ago, and up until
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  a month or so ago, you could not donate to us, because never about money, we always wanted to be
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  a resource of teaching ministry. Well, now with my experience with Israel, we just now put a
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  donate button on interpreting the times, so if anybody wants to help, they can go to interpreting
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  the times as a donate button, just if they want to make any donation, just move it, say it's for
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  blessed Israel, we call it the blessing Israel account, and any money that comes in, we will
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  accumulate it and send it off immediately to buy things over in Israel. Just for an example,
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  the boots cost about $500 a pair, what they need, the vest, what the armor inside of it,
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  is about $2,500 a vest, nighttime goggles, which we were using over there, they run between
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  nine and $12,000, what they really need is drones, drones will cost between $12,000 and $15,000.
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  I have one church right now raising money to buy one drone to send over there, so whatever the
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  needs are, whatever people can do, I have a list, a priority list of what the units are looking for,
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  I connect it with four or five units over there, and I know what their needs are, it's an ongoing
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  presence, it's an ongoing situation, so we will get as much material to them as possible.
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  So again, friends, that's that's so important, interpreting thetimes.com, I'd encourage you to
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  donate, this is a great cause, something that really is a need, and if you want to connect with
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  David on Facebook, it's at interpret times on Facebook, you can look that up, connect with them
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  there. David, you also do a podcast, right? I do, it's called the final hour, correct.
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  And people can obviously you post it on your Facebook page, but it's also at interpreting the
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  times. That's correct, everything's on interpret times, correct. Okay, my personal Facebook page as
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  well. Okay, so I saw some of the videos you shared, cause we're friends, and I followed you there.
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  You showed so many pictures and videos, one of them was of all the carnage of the cars,
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  and that was outside the Nova, or how do they do that? And then there's a memorial there,
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  just walk us through that part of the trip, please. When October of 2023 happened, October 7th,
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  what Hamas did is they formed groups of 30, and they were attacking certain areas. There was
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  7,000 Hamas soldiers that came over, so there was there was 33,000 that were trained, there was
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  2,000 that were just fighters, believe it or not, there was 1,000 volunteers who breached into
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  Israel and attacked Israel. And this was not a war, again, this was terrorism. So actually,
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  the Nova Festival was not a main site, they were just north of that, and they were moving towards
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  Tel Aviv, that was their direction. When they saw what's happening at Nova, groups of 30 started to
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  attack. I had an interview, which I'm going to release later on with the intelligence officer
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  there, and we sat down and talked, it's about 11 minute interview, and he gave me details that
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  are just graphic and what they did, especially to women. Again, this was not war, this was the
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  monarch what they were doing. It's two years past this almost, and he was about breaking down,
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  explaining to me what was taking place. So that memorial there on the site where the stage was,
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  what the festival was, over in the parking lot as they were trying to escape the planting trees.
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  And again, there was thousands of people who were killed here. On the main highway, there's
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  1300 cars, and I lost track of how many, I mean, it's over 1300 cars that were caught on fire
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  and burned and destroyed, and there was people in them. And they've put them now, they've stacked
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  them and you can go and you can see where they're at, and it's breathtaking to know what's happening.
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  And what the IDF told me was, in Israel, in the culture, blood is sacred. So when they were
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  cleaning the cars, and again, it's like you're back in the 1930s, this ashes, you know, human body
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  ashes in Israel, it would take them sometimes three weeks to clean out the ashes because they were
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  very sacred and they took their time with it. And if the blood spilled on any part of the car,
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  that part of the car also was taken and buried with them because the blood was sacred. And when
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  they did this, again, the road itself was burned. You go over there, the road is refreshed because
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  it was burned too. That's how terrible this was. And it's just the carnage, the death, women,
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  children, animals, it didn't matter. Pramascus went crazy and destroyed all this. Again, that's
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  terrorism. It's not war. And it's just walking through the memorial and they have pictures there.
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  So everybody who was killed is a picture of them. And you get a little story, a little bio,
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  a lot of them were female. And on the bottom of it, the parents, the family has put a little memorial,
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  personal items from each one. So each one's different. And to walk through and see the smiling
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  faces, the innocent faces. And this was a park. I mean, this was where families were there with
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  their kids. This were athletes were there, you know, playing pickup games. This was a sad day
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  morning. This was a Shabbat morning that they were just trying to enjoy themselves when this
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  terror attack came upon them. We have to take a brief pause. It's hard to understand how the world
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  has just demonically and deceptively turned against Israel calling them the ones that are
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  causing genocide. It really is demonic. What's happening? The anti-Semitism we're seeing,
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  it's off the charts. Maybe we'll speak to that in a moment with Dr. David Bone right back.
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  So David, really quick, we didn't mention this at the beginning. You have authored a few books,
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  but what I also find interesting is you served as a chaplain in professional baseball,
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  and you wrote a movie script for worldwide pictures. Can you tell us a little bit about that?
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  Oh, you're going back quite a way to that back in my seminary days.
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  That's okay. I was a ball player. That was my dream. I didn't grow up in church. You know,
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  baseball was my God back then. I was able to get to a certain level and then injuries ended
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  that, but God brought that back into my life years later. I spent almost seven years as a chaplain
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  in the Seattle Mariners organization with baseball chapel. The way baseball chapel organized it,
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  it wasn't by league or division, it was by team. So I was assigned to the Seattle Mariners and
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  had a wonderful time, you know, get to be back in professional baseball as a chaplain.
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  And then I was doing, I was in the movie business after I got out of baseball, I was in the movie
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  business making stuff in Hollywood, and I quit, walked away from that. In a few years later,
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  worldwide pictures gave me a call. They were looking for a movie that Billy Graham could
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  preach in, and it was about cowboys and kids, and that was the criteria. So I wrote a movie called
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  The Ride. It was shot in 1997, released in 98 around that time frame, and it did quite well.
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  So it was a blessing and being involved with that too. The ride, that's interesting. So I see
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  that Jeff found the title of your books. Finally, the book of Revelation made easy. Yes.
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  Yeah. And then again, I didn't go up in church. So when I read the Bible, I just thought the
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  Bible was literal. I didn't understand what I didn't know what prophecy was. I had questions.
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  I wanted to learn. And I realized when we get to the book of Revelation, people weren't talking
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  about it or understanding it. And I read the first chapter, verse three, there's two promises
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  there. I said, well, God's not going to give us a blessing and a promise and make it hard to
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  understand. So I dove into it. And what people need to understand in order to understand the last
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  book of the Bible, Revelation, you have to understand the entire Bible. So I explained the book
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  of Revelation through the Old Testament. I have hundreds of verses from the Old Testament explaining
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  everything that it's explained in the book of Revelation. So yeah, you're blessed if you read it,
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  right? And it's just like so simple. Another one, the color coded gospel tells briefly about that.
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  I was just doing a study with that. I wanted to okay, how many stories are compatible in the
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  gospels? How many cross over and what aspects does Mark tell you something that Luke doesn't tell you
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  and to see how John is separated from that and how unique that is. I took all four gospels.
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  I laid them over top for each other and I colored colored them and that became the book.
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  Awesome. So David, back to now what we were talking about. You were doing an interview there.
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  I mean, we've heard and read some of us graphic information about what happened, how brutal and
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  horrific those Hamas attacks were on Israel. And the media probably tried to shy away from a lot
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  of the details for obvious reasons. But again, there's the worldview issue there, which they do not
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  support Israel. And you don't want to make them a victim or give them sympathy. But it is horrific.
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  Anything else you want to share before we move on about the Nova festival, the memorials there,
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  other people you've talked to, go ahead. There's hours and hours and hours and hours of stuff with
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  that. But we were unique. There was a power plant there that Hamas attacked. Israel took it and
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  reestablished it and got it going again. It's going right now. It's operational right now. Israel
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  could have kept it offline, but they would not do that because they would not affect the civilian
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  population in Gaza. It was power for them. They wanted the hospitals and the schools and the
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  civilians to have power and electricity. So Israel keeps the power plant going. Israel makes sure
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  that there is food down there. There is plenty of food down in Gaza. There is not a crisis there
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  that they just told everybody to doctors. They just released a report saying move out. They told
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  all the medical people you have time to get out because Gaza City is going to be wiped out and
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  that needs to be done. Just seeing the livelihood there and what's happening. I had an IDF soldier.
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  I was sharing with him. He took his cell phone out and he showed me a picture. And what it was,
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  it was four terrorists on his grass. It was October 7th that day. The day the attack happened.
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  It was late in the day and they weren't shot and killed. They were arrested. But they took
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  their uniforms off. What they realized was that Hamas was in a group of 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30,
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  and they didn't know each other. So what they did, they took some of the uniforms off,
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  the ones that they're arresting. They put the uniforms on IDF and IDF was able to go in and
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  take down more terrorists because they didn't know each other. They didn't know who they were.
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  But the fact that they did not shoot and kill these terrorists, they put them on the ground and
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  they arrested them. And I have a photo that shows that. That's the kind of news that's not,
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  you know, the mainline news just ignores and the world does not know. Wow. And another thing that
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  I don't know if everybody understands when they are about to make some sort of action,
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  they sometimes fly over and pass out leaflets or drop leaflets, warning the people to get out.
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  Who does that in more? Go ahead.
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  Well, they have something called knocking on the roof. It's a grenade-sized thing and it was a
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  bomb that doesn't explode. So if you're in your building and this grenade comes through,
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  it's a warning saying, hey, you have a few minutes to get out of the building because what's in
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  here needs to be destroyed. And then they will drop leaflets as well saying, we will,
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  God's the city's coming up. They're going to see that. They're going to tell the people now.
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  They're telling doctors and medics. What's the news doing? This is about a million people in
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  God's the city rate. That's the population. So the news is now broadcasting that if they do this,
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  it's going to put at risk a million people who are in hospital beds right now.
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  The entire city is not in a hospital bed, but they're telling the doctors and medical staff
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  and any kind of humanitarian aid to get out and go south. They're making sure they have a way out,
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  but they need to go in there and take care of the tunnels and take care of Gaza.
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  There is over 100 tunnels in between Gaza and Egypt. You don't hear about Egypt but what they're
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  doing. And I was there with the IDF, 20 of those 100 tunnels, the 20 was so big you can drive
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  trucks through them. So we're not talking about small little things. These are things where they
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  can move ammunition. They can move weapons and the IDF needs to go out of the and destroy those.
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  Wow, really fascinating. So what else is going on as far as the the humanitarian aid? We hear
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  the lies. We see the news reporting that that Israel is starving people, which is a lie. I mean,
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  I think if I'm not mistaken, Candace Owens was one who also put that out. She's a big influencer
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  in social media, but the trucks are literally being hijacked by Hamas. Is that not correct?
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  There is plenty of food down there. In fact, it was interesting. A Germany paper just came out and
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  there was a picture of women and children hanging over a fence with empty pots and pans and the
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  headline was Israel is starving these people in Gaza. Germany came out and said that was a fake
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  picture and that was posed. So the truth is starting to come out, but there is plenty of food there.
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  If the civilian people want to stay, they have the right to stay. They can stay, but Israel is saying
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  we are going to take this and we are going to eliminate the terrorists and we are going to protect
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  our people. There's 20 hostages that are still alive there. We don't know what kind of condition
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  they're in. We don't know what's going to be like, but it's time to end this and Israel is getting
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  ready to do that. So David, I know this is an obvious answer or question to you and I, but
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  this Israel is a secular nation. Why are we in America? Why are Christians interested in
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  supporting or helping Israel? Well, the reason I love Israel is because God does. I love the Lord
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  and I know that throughout scripture, I have a hundred, I have a handout I give out, so 170
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  verses from the Bible that says the land belongs to Israel. God created everything. He's the creative
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  of it all. He owns it all. He does what he wants to do with it and he gave the land to Israel.
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  We know that God has not done with Israel going back to Abraham. There was promises made. Those
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  promises will be kept. Now, one of the, there's two regathering in scripture, one from Babylon when
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  they were, when they were just a, discipline, a sense of Babylon. The second regathering is
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  in the end times and we're seeing that now. In fact, David, we're in the first generation since
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  AD 70 that where there's more Jews living in Israel than outside of Israel. So God is regathering
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  his people. However, he's regathering them in the same condition they left, which is a condition
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  of unbelief. And that won't, that won't change into the tribulation period. We're just setting
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  everything up for that timeframe. Romans 11 is true. Romans 11 will come true and all the promises
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  that we have. So why should Christians care about that? Well, we need to be praying for them.
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  Zachariah, you know, the prophecy Zachariah said that in the end times two thirds of the Jews
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  won't survive. Being over in Israel, being a Christian, being excited about the rapture,
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  being excited about end times, they get offended by that because they're saying, don't you realize
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  what you're getting excited about is two thirds of my people won't survive? Because Zachariah is
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  the Old Testament. They're aware of that. But I have a dear friend, Olivia Melvick, who says his
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  wife explained to him, I say, Olivia, it's not a number. It's a percentage. All we need to do is
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  reach more Jews and lower that percentage. And that's what his ministry's all about.
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  Yup. Shalom and Messiah. We've had him on many times. I love that brother. In fact, he was just
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  there too. He was with me. Okay. So I haven't caught up with him yet. And I'll get his report too.
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  So David, this is going to have to be continued. I would love to have you back. There's so much more
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  that you could share from your experience being there because we're not getting the truth from
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  the liberal progressive Marxist media in America from anyone else who claims to do reporting on the,
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  you have to find conservative outlets and there are some, but not enough. Most of Americans maybe
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  still watch the main networks. They're not getting the truth about what's going on on the ground
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  and behind the scenes there. That's why I love this report personally. And I would love to do more
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  and we'll continue this conversation. But brother, I want to make sure to people, people can know
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  they can donate for the first time. You've got that donate up at interpreting the times.com.
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  Interpreting the times.com. Friends, if you click on donate, you can donate and be a blessing to
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  Israel by getting equipment needed equipment for the IDF reservists. Just for their safety as you
• 27:13
  heard this explanation of how their parents have to help them sometimes get the, the proper equipment.
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  But David, any closing thoughts we just have like 20 seconds.
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  What we're seeing over there is spiritual warfare. What the media is doing is spiritual warfare
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  and we need to stand strong and stand righteous. So just help support and pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
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  Thank you, brother. God bless you. I'm so glad we connected. Dr. David Boeing. Again, friends,
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  standing stonescc.org and interpreting the times.com. Lord willing, we will do this again. Thank you.
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  Thank you. Thank you. All right, friends. Share the podcast. Get this out there. He said so much
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  from just being over there in Israel and spending time with the IDF that you and a lot of people
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  haven't had no idea about. And we don't understand all the workings behind the scenes. Thank you
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  for sharing the podcast. God bless you. And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.
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  you