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  Speaker 1: We got to get into this Philadelphia Phillies team, Yes
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  Speaker 1: we do, folks, and joining us to talk about this
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  Speaker 1: roller coaster, the up and down season that this Philadelphia
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  Speaker 1: Phillies team has gone through, and what we can expect
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  Speaker 1: from them perhaps in the future. From the good Fight
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  Speaker 1: dot Com The Hitt and Season podcast over at why
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  Speaker 1: y Our good Friend.
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  Speaker 2: He's been coming on for so many years.
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  Speaker 1: Very much appreciated, John Stalmus, my friend, thanks so much
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  Speaker 1: for taking the time this week.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we have been doing this a long time,
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  Speaker 3: and you know it's the same a lot of the
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  Speaker 3: same players, just a different year, and every year is
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  Speaker 3: its own thing.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly a lot of same themes that we're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we wait for talent from perhaps the farm system.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we hold out that hope that the farm
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  Speaker 1: system is going to develop some nice talent. And for
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  Speaker 1: years and years we've been waiting for one gentleman named
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Paynter. And I wanted to start off with some
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  Speaker 1: pitching with this Phillies team. First, get into Andrew Paynter
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  Speaker 1: with you, John back in the starting rotation now. And
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  Speaker 1: it's it's astonishing that he went there. I believe it
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  Speaker 1: was sixteen straight outings, winless, absolutely winless. Just incredible how
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  Speaker 1: that worked out. Since he has been back from Triple
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  Speaker 1: A Lehigh Valley, I believe his era is about a
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  Speaker 1: two point six' two to two point sixty four somewhere around.
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  Speaker 1: THERE a lot of folks were saying that there was
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  Speaker 1: An Andrew painter. Problem i'm seeing him coming back into
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  Speaker 1: this rotation as other folks, are and the question marks
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  Speaker 1: are still in the air and what he's going to
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  Speaker 1: end up meaning to this back end of the rotation
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  Speaker 1: because he's not pitching terribly right now at this particular
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  Speaker 1: point in time in Mid. August so talk about his
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  Speaker 1: return if you can with, Me, john your, thoughts what
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  Speaker 1: you've seen from him and what he inevitably means to
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  Speaker 1: the back end of the rotation.
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  Speaker 3: Here, well The phillies did not get another starting pitcher
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  Speaker 3: at the trade deadline because they believe that some of
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  Speaker 3: the things that some of the adjustments that he made
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  Speaker 3: down In TRIPLE a were really having an. Impact and
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  Speaker 3: we've seen that so far in his first three starts
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  Speaker 3: since he came. Back because what he's, done And i'm
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  Speaker 3: not the first person to report, this Cole wine Traub
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  Speaker 3: ON Nbc Sports philadelphia has talked about. THIS i THINK
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  Speaker 3: i Heard Jim salisbury talk about. It you, know what
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  Speaker 3: we're seeing is that you have And Andrew, painter a
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  Speaker 3: guy who's changing his pitch mix. Up he's doing different
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  Speaker 3: things because he was throwing a split finger fastball quite a.
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  Speaker 3: Bit and what he was doing when he would get
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  Speaker 3: in the ready position on the mount is he'd have
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  Speaker 3: his fingers split far apart. Repitch he would load up
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  Speaker 3: with that pitch right and then when he would go
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  Speaker 3: to throw a fastballs forcing, fastball he realized that his
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  Speaker 3: fingers when he would regrip for the fastball were further
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  Speaker 3: apart than they had been before The Tommy john. Surgery
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  Speaker 3: and since ditching the, splitter he's not going to a
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  Speaker 3: new circle. Change he's holding it a little differently on
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  Speaker 3: the baseball and that's causing a little bit more velocity
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  Speaker 3: on the, change but a little bit more drop and the.
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  Speaker 3: Fastball we're seeing more RPMs on the, fastball so it's
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  Speaker 3: got a little bit more life to. It and that's
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  Speaker 3: what was really missing From Andrew painter since he came
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  Speaker 3: back from The Tommy john surgery was the. Fastball he
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  Speaker 3: didn't have the command on it that he should have
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  Speaker 3: and didn't have any. Life and so what we've seen
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  Speaker 3: in these last three starts is a better, fastball a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more, jump a little bit more, movement and
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  Speaker 3: this change up that he is really starting to rely.
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  Speaker 3: ON i think he threw it a third of the
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  Speaker 3: time in his start On Monday night against The cardinals
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  Speaker 3: when he went five no hit innings and give him
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  Speaker 3: a couple runs in the. Six but this is everything
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  Speaker 3: you could have wanted From Andrew painter as your number five.
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  Speaker 3: Starter this is all you need from. Him you need
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  Speaker 3: five to six good where he keeps you in the ball,
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  Speaker 3: game and then maybe some of that elite talent that
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  Speaker 3: we saw before he got hurt pops up every once
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  Speaker 3: in a. While that's kind of what you're looking for
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  Speaker 3: from him from this point out until the postseason rolls
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  Speaker 3: around and then you throw them in the bullpen and
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  Speaker 3: you see what happens.
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  Speaker 2: There.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely AND i think we can go back to let's,
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  Speaker 1: say let's go back To. May, okay a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people back In may were saying he was a complete.
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  Speaker 2: Bust and, again how many times have we talked.
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  Speaker 1: About the fact that it takes baseball players, time especially
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  Speaker 1: when they enter the big, leagues to get used to
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  Speaker 1: the game at the big league. Level AND i never
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  Speaker 1: wanted to throw him aside and cast him. ASIDE a
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  Speaker 1: lot of folks, did AND i hope they're eating their,
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  Speaker 1: words to be honest with, you AND i have hope,
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  Speaker 1: that you know, what maybe he won't be just the
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  Speaker 1: fifth starter in this rotation in the. Future perhaps he's
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  Speaker 1: the number, four perhaps he's the number three at some
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  Speaker 1: point down the. Road who, knows and who knows what's
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  Speaker 1: going to happen with.
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  Speaker 2: This team in the.
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  Speaker 1: Future BUT i still have hope For Andrew paynter at this.
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  Speaker 1: POINT i hope others others do as.
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  Speaker 2: Well, YEAH i did.
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  Speaker 3: TOO i think the the issue is that he was
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  Speaker 3: being talked up as as a bona fide, Ace he's
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  Speaker 3: an untouchable, Prospect he's going to front a. Rotation he
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  Speaker 3: had comparisons To Garrett cole at one. Point that's that's
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  Speaker 3: the trajectory he was. On and you're talking about now
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  Speaker 3: the best case scenario Where painters a number four, starter
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  Speaker 3: number three, starter and that's. Disappointing you would have Traded
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  Speaker 3: Andrew painter before now in twenty twenty three or twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty four or twenty twenty, five whatever it may have.
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  Speaker 3: Been if you thought the ceiling was going to be number,
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  Speaker 3: four number three, starter he had ace potential and he
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  Speaker 3: still hasn't gotten. That he's hasn't gotten that back yet
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  Speaker 3: since the. Surgery and the reason a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: bailed was because The Tommy john surgery is a serious
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  Speaker 3: surgery and some pitchers don't come back from it the.
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  Speaker 3: Same some pitchers never get the velocity back on their,
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  Speaker 3: fastball some people the juice on their breaking pitches and
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  Speaker 3: their four, seamers it doesn't. Return that was my worry
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  Speaker 3: With Andrew painter is, LIKE i don't know that we've
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  Speaker 3: got the same picture. ANYMORE i don't know if it's
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  Speaker 3: the same, guy and SO i think the jury is
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  Speaker 3: still out on. THAT i think we can we can
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  Speaker 3: be encouraged by these three outings and hope that it
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  Speaker 3: continues here through the rest Of august and Into, september
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  Speaker 3: and maybe he does find something this offseason where you,
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  Speaker 3: know he's he's feeling better about where he, is where
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  Speaker 3: his pitches, are and he can really work on improving
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  Speaker 3: his fastball and getting back to that elite prospect that
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  Speaker 3: he was a few years ago before he got.
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  Speaker 1: Hurt, Yeah AND i think when we talk about guys
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  Speaker 1: having certain time on the mound and needing certain time
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  Speaker 1: on the, mound next up is a guy who's had
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  Speaker 1: a lot of time on the mound in A phillies,
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  Speaker 1: uniform and that Is Aaron. Nola my, gosh, man what a.
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  Speaker 1: Season last season was rough for. HIM i, mean, yes
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  Speaker 1: he's turned things around a bit. Here he's been performing
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  Speaker 1: better as of Late, John but the real crux of
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  Speaker 1: this situation With Aaron nola is can they count on
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  Speaker 1: him when it actually Matt over his last seven, starts
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  Speaker 1: he's had A era of four point two. Eight that's
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  Speaker 1: over forty innings with forty two, strikeouts which isn't terrible
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  Speaker 1: considering where he was back In. May how are you
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  Speaker 1: assessing Where Aaron nola is right? Now what you're seeing
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  Speaker 1: from him at this, point of, course seems like he's
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  Speaker 1: on the. Downslide but in terms of that, question can
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  Speaker 1: they count on him when it?
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  Speaker 2: MATTERS i think that's the real question. Here, YEAH i think.
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  Speaker 3: IT i think it depends on what count on him.
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  Speaker 3: Means at this point in a postseason, Game he's only
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  Speaker 3: going to see game four of a. Playoffs he's gonna
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  Speaker 3: be number four in the pecking, order and he's gonna
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  Speaker 3: be piggybacked By Andrew painter or somebody. Else they're not
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  Speaker 3: going to ask him to go deep into a game
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  Speaker 3: here in The pennant race, though here In august and In,
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  Speaker 3: september that's where you're Really you just you need what
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  Speaker 3: he's been giving, you and you really don't need a
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  Speaker 3: whole lot more than. That you'd love to get more than,
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  Speaker 3: that given how much you're paying, him and you know
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  Speaker 3: what he has done, historically but that guy's just. Gone
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  Speaker 3: he's not around. Anymore and you, know every Start Aaron
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  Speaker 3: nola is going to give up one or two early
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  Speaker 3: home runs and you're kind of going to kind of
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  Speaker 3: fall behind a little. Bit the offense isn't ever going
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  Speaker 3: to give him any run, support and that's just kind
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  Speaker 3: of the way it. Is but in eighteen of HIS
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  Speaker 3: i think it's eighteen of his twenty five appearances this,
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  Speaker 3: year he's given up three runs or. Less SO i
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  Speaker 3: think you know he's he's giving you what a number
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  Speaker 3: four starter should give, you AND i think we can
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  Speaker 3: depend on what we're seeing right now from him for
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the season because it's not, special it's nothing. Great,
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  Speaker 3: yeah but it's also better than last. Year he's doing
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  Speaker 3: a better job at limiting the. Damage he's doing a
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  Speaker 3: better job at avoiding the big catastrophic innings right, now
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  Speaker 3: and that's really just kind of what you need from
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  Speaker 3: him is to not blow. Up, Absolutely so, YEAH i
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  Speaker 3: think That's if that's what you mean by counting on,
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  Speaker 3: him then, yes we can COUNT i THINK i think
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  Speaker 3: we can count on. That he's going to have a
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  Speaker 3: blow up here and, there BUT i think we can
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  Speaker 3: count on.
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  Speaker 1: That the one aspect of this pitching staff in general
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  Speaker 1: that we haven't been able to really count on is the.
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  Speaker 1: Bullpen we, know over the course of this past, Week holy,
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  Speaker 1: cow they needed to add a reliever to the. Roster
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  Speaker 1: they ended up calling Up Alan wrangle From TRIPLE A Lehigh.
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  Speaker 1: Valley a new acquisition is and why AM i forgetting
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: his name right? Now my gosh from The, giants Good.
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  Speaker 3: Lord Luis arias and the bullpen guy you're talking.
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  Speaker 1: As the bullpen guy who's on THE il Cal. Killian,
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  Speaker 1: yes yes's who's on THE il fifteen DAY i l
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  Speaker 1: and you Know caleb we couldn't wait to see what
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  Speaker 1: he was gonna do first time really on the, bullpen
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: coming out of the bullpen for the pills not the,
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  Speaker 1: greatest BUT i mean Recently Don maddingly has really been
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  Speaker 1: forced to use the bullpen heavily as we. Know And i'm,
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  Speaker 1: wondering how do you Think alan wrangles role may end
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  Speaker 1: up evolving here and what are you looking to see
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  Speaker 1: from him if he remains in the bullpen here for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the.
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  Speaker 2: Season, JOHN, i you.
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  Speaker 3: KNOW i HOPE i don't really a And ron hell
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the. WAY i just he's, okay you.
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  Speaker 3: Know but even in the game On monday, night they
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  Speaker 3: needed two innings from, him two three innings from, him
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  Speaker 3: and he almost gave the store. Away you. Know he
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  Speaker 3: had a six to two lead and gave up three
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  Speaker 3: runs and came within an eyelash of given up a
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  Speaker 3: fourth and leaving the game. Tied SO i JUST i
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  Speaker 3: DON'T i if you need him in an, emergency that's
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  Speaker 3: kind of what he's there. For he's an emergency pitcher for.
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  Speaker 3: You he shouldn't get any high leverage. Innings he shouldn't
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  Speaker 3: pitch in any game where you know the game is
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  Speaker 3: any closer than three or four, runs like it was
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  Speaker 3: On monday. Night they had to use him On monday.
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  Speaker 3: Night they were out of. Pitchers like you, said they
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  Speaker 3: had no. Choice even if Ron hell had given up
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  Speaker 3: six runs in that, inning he was going to stay
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  Speaker 3: in the. Game there's just no other way around. It
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  Speaker 3: they didn't have anybody. Else and you, know it's just
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  Speaker 3: the bullpen. Is he can't call it a work in.
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  Speaker 3: Progress it's just it is what it. Is and the
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  Speaker 3: hope is that a couple of these guys get. Hot,
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  Speaker 3: YES i will remind fans that the twenty twenty Two
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  Speaker 3: phill bullpen was awful down the stretch In august And.
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  Speaker 3: September remember they they. Were they couldn't decide on a.
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  Speaker 3: Closer you Had Zach eflin closing. Games you Had David
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  Speaker 3: robertson closing, games you Had Jose alvarado closing. Games like
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: you just Sar Anthony dominguez was closing. Games they just
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  Speaker 3: they Were they were blindly throwing darts at a dartboard
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  Speaker 3: to figure out the order in which they were going
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  Speaker 3: to go with, somebody and they were just trying to
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  Speaker 3: find whoever the hot hand. Was and it Was David
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  Speaker 3: robertson when he first came on board after the, trade
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  Speaker 3: and then that petered, out and so, Well Zach eflin
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  Speaker 3: missed the whole, season but we're throwing him in the bullpen,
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  Speaker 3: here so let's see if he can do. It and
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  Speaker 3: he had a couple of nice outings and then in
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs they, Realized so that's not a good. Idea
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  Speaker 3: SO i, MEAN i don't think we're there with this.
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  Speaker 3: Bullpen you Have Juan durant and And Jonathan, bolan WHO
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  Speaker 3: i think are two reliable. Arms, no, yeah but it
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  Speaker 3: is it is tricky after. THAT i Think Brooks raley
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  Speaker 3: didn't have a great first, impression but he's been, very
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  Speaker 3: very good each of the last four, years SO i
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  Speaker 3: really think he'll probably continue to be. Good, oh be
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  Speaker 3: your best left hander out of the. Bullpen Don mattingley
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  Speaker 3: needs to use him in high leverage situations and Not Jose. Olivarado,
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  Speaker 3: Yes moving, forwards they need to keep A Ryan kirkering
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  Speaker 3: away from the sharp, knives you, know don't let him
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  Speaker 3: play with anything dangerous because he is a big problem right.
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  Speaker 3: Now They i'm JUST i Think alex McFarlane getting called
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  Speaker 3: up is going to be something they need to try
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  Speaker 3: out and see see how he. DOES i know he
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  Speaker 3: gave up the only run that's been scored in The
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  Speaker 3: cardinals game that's on as we're talking right. Now and
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  Speaker 3: then you have Gauge wood who's still sitting there in
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  Speaker 3: the minors as a, starter working on becoming a starting. Pitcher.
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  Speaker 1: WELL i thought it was interesting because you all on
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  Speaker 1: The hid And season podcast were talking about Gage wood
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  Speaker 1: and whether or not he should be brought.
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  Speaker 2: UP i Think justin made some very interesting points with it.
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  Speaker 1: TOO i am under THE i am under more hesitation
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  Speaker 1: to SAY i don't want him getting messed. Up from
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  Speaker 1: a psychological, standpoint if something doesn't go, right then it.
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  Speaker 1: AGAIN i feel Like i'm usually, mister let's just go all.
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  Speaker 1: In if we got, talent let's see what's. THERE i
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  Speaker 1: feel that with the up and down nature and roller
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  Speaker 1: coaster season that this bullpen has been going through here
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  Speaker 1: and as of late just not things not being, GREAT
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  Speaker 1: i feel like the energy is not there to do,
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  Speaker 1: that to put Gauge wood in that.
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  Speaker 2: Situation that's Where i'm at right.
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  Speaker 3: Now, yeah and you don't want to put a prospect
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  Speaker 3: in a situation where he has to be a savior
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: or he has to be a hero where he has
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  Speaker 3: to rescue. Anybody, yea but you, know The Tampa Bay
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  Speaker 3: rays did it With David price in two thousand and
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  Speaker 3: eight on their run to The World series against The.
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  Speaker 3: Phillies it's been done. Before THEY'VE i, think who was
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: it The angel's, pitcher The angels. Closer they brought him
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  Speaker 3: up now he was a reliever in the. Bullpen was
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  Speaker 3: It Frankie? Rodriguez Francisco. RODRIGUEZ i was his name the,
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  Speaker 3: game and they brought him up When John wetland was
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  Speaker 3: the closer to have him be a setup man before they,
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  Speaker 3: eventually you, know turned the keys over To rodriguez during
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: That angel's. Run so it's been done. BEFORE i don't
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  Speaker 3: know if Gage wood is the guy to do that,
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  Speaker 3: with BUT i do Gauge wood was a closer in
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  Speaker 3: college until his senior. Year he was. Hurt they didn't
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  Speaker 3: want to give him starters, innings and so he closed
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  Speaker 3: and closed in some really big. Events he closed in
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  Speaker 3: the in The College World. Series he has that in his,
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  Speaker 3: background he has that in his, pedigree and SO i
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  Speaker 3: would do. IT i would bring him. UP i, WOULD i.
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  Speaker 3: WOULD i MEAN i would give him a.
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  Speaker 2: Chance i'm, Scared. John you know how.
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  Speaker 3: Many starting pitching prospects have to fail before we just,
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  Speaker 3: say you know, what.
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  Speaker 2: There's No that's a good, Point.
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  Speaker 3: JEFF i remember all of the articles written in the
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  Speaker 3: spring of twenty twenty three About Andrew, painter all of
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  Speaker 3: the things they were doing with drive line and the medical,
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  Speaker 3: staff and all how careful they were being with his
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: pitch counts and his workload and everything. Else and he
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: throws one inning in spring training and blows out his.
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  Speaker 2: Army SO i just.
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  Speaker 3: You, know you you might put Gage wood in there
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  Speaker 3: and he might help you win A World. Series and
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  Speaker 3: then he goes and pitches For TRIPLE A Lee High
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  Speaker 3: valley right in twenty twenty, seven or on the big league,
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  Speaker 3: roster in the. Rotation you, know it's Just i'm done
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  Speaker 3: trying to trying to think about like conventional wisdom and
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  Speaker 3: that you go go for, it bring him. Up you
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  Speaker 3: know it's probably not gonna work out.
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  Speaker 2: Anyways very very good, Point very good. Point, well, folks we're.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna take a. Break when we get, back we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be talking a little bit, more of course about this.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Team But lewis arrise what he has meant to the
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: team thus far after being acquired by The San Francisco,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: giants and some under the radar storylines as. Well we're
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: gonna take a. Break we'll be back in just a,
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  Speaker 1: bit all. Right we are back with our good, Buddy
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: john Stalin is from The Good fight Dot com and
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  Speaker 1: The Hitting.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Season podcast over At Why Why?
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Buddy you want to get any other promos out there
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  Speaker 1: in CASE i forgot him, here BECAUSE i THINK i
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: forgot your handle On twitter and, Everything feel free to
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: get all that out.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: There, yeah the handles on the screen At John stileness
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  Speaker 3: ON x And Blue sky And Green nation dot com
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: for Some eagles content as, Well but THAT'S i think
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: you pretty much you locked it all in.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: There but all, right all, right well look WE i
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: want to get into some positive talk here Because Lewis,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: arrise LIKE i said right before the, break has been
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: a bat that this team is obviously. Needed great to
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: see what he's capable of in the batter's, box and you,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: know whether whether it's leaping over a tag at home
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: plate this past, week he's doing push ups right over
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: home plate last night's, game or just overall from overall.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: PERSPECTIVE i he's getting on. BASE i think he's been
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: a welcomed addition to the. Lineup how would you categorize
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: What arise has meant to this team in such a
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: short period of, Time, John.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah he's brought a, bolt a jolt of energy to
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: the to the lineup and to the, team WHICH i
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: think is really. Good, unfortunately he has entered his most
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: prolonged slump of this. Season here has these last few.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Games in the game On tuesday night against The, cardinals
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: And phillies are down one nothing in the eighth, inning
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: and he comes up with the bases loaded and nobody
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: out and grounds into a double, play and it's, just you,
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: know he's he's feeling with over six in the extra
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: in a game On, sunday he didn't get a hit On,
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: monday didn't get a hit On. Tuesday, like it's, just,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: uh it's very unusual to see him go through a
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: streak like. This so you just hope that the laundry
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: he's wearing isn't infecting him with The phillies streaky disease
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: because it does usually affect everyone in the. Lineup so
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: that being, SAID i don't Expect Luisa riahs to be
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: in the throes of it for very. Long he is
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: exactly what this team. Needs they needed a high contact.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Guy he's having good he's having good plate. Appearances Bryce,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: harper hitting in front of, him has walked so much
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: more Since arias came on, board BECAUSE i Think harper's
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: relaxing a little bit at hitting third in the order
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: with the riaz hitting behind him in the cleanup, spot
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: and it's an unusual spot in the lineup For ariaz to.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Hit usually a guy like him isn't your cleanup. Hitter
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: but generally, speaking when he's doing the things that he
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: normally does really, well which is converting with runners on
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: third base in less than two, outs get a KEY rbi,
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: single as he did in his first few games with The,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: phillies when he was very productive in his first three.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Games that's why you want him, there is because a
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: strikeout in some of these spots is just. Deadly and
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: we've seen The phillies in the. Playoffs so get a
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: rally going and you just see, strikeouts strike, up ground,
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: out you. Know and so what you want is to
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: have a guy in the middle of that order, who
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: if you do have some swing and miss at the
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: beginning of, it and some swing and miss after. It
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: you've got one contact guy in there who you really
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: think is going to execute the. Fundamentals and so What
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Luisa riaz is generally, speaking a very fundamentally sound. Hitter
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: he can put the ball pretty much anywhere he wants
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: to on the, field if he wants to go the opposite,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: way if he wants to try and take it up the,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: middle if he wants to pull the Ball ariahs can
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: do can do that almost all the, time and he
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: never strikes, out which is something that this lineup really.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Needs SO i like the, ENERGY i, think and, again
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: once this slump is, OVER i think he is going
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: to really provide a lot for this. Offense AND i
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: think you've seen the offense have a little bit more,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: energy a little bit more. Juice, Yes Tuesday night's game, Nowithstanding.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Well this is What i've been.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Thinking i've actually been thinking a lot about the last
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: TIME i made an appearance on The hit And season
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: podcast with, You, john AND i remember you specifically asked
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: me a question About Dave dombrowski how he was, doing
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: AND i WAS i was an absolute apologist with regard
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: To Dave dombrowski WHEN i answered that, question because the
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: hope of this team on paper looked so good and
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: has for some. Time but we know the struggles that
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: this team has had now for well over the past
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: couple of, seasons arguably past three. Seasons AND i think to,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: myself if this move had it been made prior to
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: the start of this twenty twenty six regular, season would
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: we have seen a better start from this. Team would
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: we have seen a different type of, energy a different
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: type of spark back In, april back In may when
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: you want that early momentum right out of the. Gate
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: AND i started thinking about that question you asked me
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: About Dave dombrowski last TIME i was On hit And.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: SEASON i was, like, BOY i was really out.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: In left field killer answer when we were talking about,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: It and you know, What, yes this is something that
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: should have been done in the off. Season it wasn't. Done,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: yes hindsight is twenty twenty all the. Time But i've
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: given it a lot of, thought and, really you, Know
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Dave dombrowski as good as moves as he has, made
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: and he's made some very good, MOVES i think in
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: terms of running this team over the, years he's also
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: made some poor decisions as, well or hasn't made a
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: decision that needed to be.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: MADE i Just I've i've been.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Doing a lot of reflections on, that my, friend AND
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: i think there's something to be said, for you, know
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: where his, Career Dave dombrowski's career is going to be
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: because of these type of moves that haven't been, made
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: but once they, are they provide something very special to the.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Team, Yeah Dave, DOMBROWSKI i don't think he could have
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: made this move in the off. Season it would have
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Required Bryce harper playing in the outfield for a full.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Season that's, TRUE i, think, yeah. YEAH i think one
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: of the Reasons harper was open to this is because
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: it's just for a couple of. Months he's going to
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: be back at first base next year and you'll be able,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: to you, know Move you'll be able to have more
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: flexibility in the. Infield With Alec bohm not. Here you're
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: probably Moving Trade turner to the outfield next, year but
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: this year wasn't the year they were going to do. That,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: now maybe A rise would have been open to playing
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: a position other than second. Base he would have gone
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: to first, base and you. Put but either, WAY i
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Think harp ends up in the outfield With Luisa rias
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: here at the beginning of the. Season so my guess
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: is that that was kind of a non starter adding
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: an infielder at the beginning Of during this past, offseason
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: my criticism Of Dave nebrowski has always been he's not
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: a creative general. Manager he's not a creative team. President
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: he doesn't think outside the, box he doesn't make a creative,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: moves he doesn't think about his roster in elastic. Ways
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: but this time he, did AND i want to give
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: him credit for. THAT i Think i'm not going to
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: be The i'm not gonna be an apologist for, him
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: BECAUSE i do think his trade deadline was kind of.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: MIXED i think it's kind of like A c plus trade.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Deadline they didn't do enough to shore up the. Bullpen
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: there are no big relievers were really moved at the
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: trade deadline this, year which is really really. Strange but
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: you really wanted to see them try and get somebody like.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: That and really the only guy like that that you
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: would have wanted to see The phillies squad and get
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Was Luke. Weaver and so that just wasn't gonna, happen
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: given how much they had to give up to Get Luke.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: WEAVER i forget who ended up trading for, him but,
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: regardless The phillies are not going to go. There and
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: there really wasn't anybody else who was moved at the
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: trade deadline who was going to be your lockdown eighth inning.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Guy so you, KNOW i give him some grace for.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: That but you did want to see them add more
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: in the. Bullpen you wanted to see them add another
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: starting pitcher just for a little bit of a little
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: bit of depth. There and you, know you could. Have
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: you and this is the complaint that a lot of people,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: have you could have decided to go out and get
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: a right handed hitting outfielder like A Tailor ward And Benj.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Boom you could have done. THAT i think that might
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: HAVE i think that would have made the team. Better
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: BUT i ALSO i also get why that probably wasn't
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: possible For Dave dombrowski to do here at this trade.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Deadline so you, know The Luisa riah's deal was a
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: fascinating one because he was the best hitter dealt at
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: the trade. Deadline and so these last two trade. Deadlines
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Dave debrowski went out and got the best, Closer, nah
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: maybe the second best closer Because Mason miller went at
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: the trade deadline last, year but the second best closer
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: on the trade on the trade. Market and he went
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: out and got the best hitter this time. Around SO
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: i think we wanted them to improve the offense more
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: than anything. ELSE i think he's done. THAT i don't
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: know if it's going to be, enough, right AND i don't,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: again the trade deadline was a c. PLUS i think
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: there were things not done that should have been. Done
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: but you, know now it's up to the players to
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: figure it. Out it absolutely.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Is and you mentioned one that absolutely needs to figure something.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Out and you know this.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: May be a quick this may be a quick part
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: of our conversation, Here But Alec bohm been getting a
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: ton of hate on the interwebs as of. Late AND i,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: look AND i know you have not always been a
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: fan Of Alec. BOHM i certainly know That Justin, clue
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: your your co, host certainly has not been a fan
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: of just Or Justin. BOEM i really want to call
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Him Justin boem, NOW i really want.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: To call Him. JUSTIN i like you that's gonna be.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Great i'm gonna have to call Him Justin boum the
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: next time he's on. Anyway But i've always been again
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: going back to being an, apologist always been A bom.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Apologist but, man it is tough to defend some of the.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Stuff as of, late you mentioned he's probably not even
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: gonna be on the team next, year AND i think
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the vision to Give bom a rest or give him a,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: RESET i, mean was a good. Idea certainly has been
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: resting as of, late at least one, game but things
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: are just sour with him at this, point AND i
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: just wonder if his everyday spot in the lineup at
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: this point is in jeopardy for the remainder of this.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Season if, so you, know.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Is it a good thing to kind of just recalibrate
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: at this. POINT i think it should.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Be AND i don't think he's gonna play every. DAY
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: i think he'll probably play most, days BUT i think
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: there might be days where you Get brian de La
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: cruz And Edmundo sosa into the. GAME i Think sosa
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: has not had a good, season So i'm not anxious
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: to jam him into the starting. LINEUP i know they
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: want to Get Bryce harper off his feet a little
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: bit more often as. Well SO i do Think alec
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: the bloom is. Off alec the The Alec bohm rose In.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: PHILADELPHIA i think The phillies are a better team when
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: he doesn't. Play, honestly if you Had Brian de La
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: cruz starting in right field And harper at first, base
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: starting pretty much every, GAME i would rather see that
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: than See Alec boum out. There it's just AND i
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: said this on the Latest Hitting season episode as, WELL
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: i think if you gave these players truth, SERUM i
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: think they would tell You Alec bohm is kind of
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: a bummer to have out on the. FIELD i think
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: the energy, stinks, yes when he's out on the, field
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: AND i think that affects the play of people out.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: There SO i JUST i just DON'T i don't think.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: IT i don't think it's. Working and his time In
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: philadelphia is absolutely running. Short he's just not going to
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: be here next year for.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Sure. Yep Absolutely.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: So as we conclude things, Here, john you, know even
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: though where many of us are skeptical about the rest
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: of The phillies, season here the, roster what they can
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: do down the, stretch this team does have a lot of.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Talent it, does And i'm one of those people that
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: consistently is holding out hope that things.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Are going to get. BETTER i do that with The Flyers.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Sixers it's working out with The sixers so far that
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: we haven't seen play on the.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Court but even with The, Eagles i'm that.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Eternal optimist here holding out hope that things are going
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: to get. Better but that being, said you, know what
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: do you think is the biggest under the radar, storyline
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: whether it's positive or, negative that's really on your mind
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: as we are here in the middle Of august that
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: can really take this team one way or the other.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Here So i've been thinking about this question and under
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: the radar STORYLINE i THINK i think it's really going
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: to be how is the bottom of the lineup going
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: to fare as these games get a little bit more.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Important bryson's thoughts been on. Fire Justin crawford has been really.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Hot but is it? Enough are they going to get?
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Enough is the lineup long? Enough it's kind of, FUNNY
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: i DON'T i don't really know that there is a
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: true under the radar storyline with The. Phillies you, know
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: you look at the different areas like the. Bullpen we
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: know what the issues with the bullpen. Are there's nothing
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: under the radar there right with with the with the.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: BULLPEN i mean maybe you could say The Gauge wood
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: situation isn't under the radar situation because it's not being
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: talked about a lot nationally with regards to The phillies. Bullpen,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Right i'll give you one right. Here biggest under the
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: radar storyline is it possible that A Ryan kirkering And
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Jose alvarado could be left off the postseason? Roster? Ok
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: and if, so which? One could it be? Both or
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: if you had to choose, one which one would you
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: would you leave? Off we talked about that on the
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: last podcast as, well because those guys have been mainstays
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: over the last couple of years in the. Playoffs BUT
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: i don't know how you can start him in a playoff.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Game And i'll give you another under the radar storyline
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Is Don. Mattingly you, know he has not managed well
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: over these last few. Weeks he's made some poor decisions
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: AND i think there's a real question whether or not
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: he's back as the manager next. YEAR i don't think
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: he is AND i think that makes for kind of
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: a weird, dynamic a weird situation here down the stretch
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: and into the playoffs if The phillies end up getting.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: There so just those are just a COUPLE i got
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: are rolling.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: AROUND i.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Had it took me a minute to think about to
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: think about. Him but you, know it's not like nobody's
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: talking About Don mattingly and nobody's talking about the bullpen
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: or anything like. That, likes there's no part of this
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: team that we are not dissecting to within an inch
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: of its.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Life you are.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Absolutely correct for, Me i'll say, this and this goes
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: back to the eternal, Optimist and the hope THAT i
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: do have is that what, if what if from an
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: under the radar, Standpoint Trey turner can actually turn things
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: around slightly with his, defense and what that could actually
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: mean during in game situations where he absolutely needs to
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: catch a ball and get somebody, out what that actually.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Means we have seen so many instances where his defensive
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: screw ups have led to, runs unnecessary, runs.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: And have put this team in a pretty bad.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Position so my under the radar is actually on the
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: opposite side of not necessarily a negative but could be
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: a positive if defensively things start coming together a little
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: bit For Trey. TURNER i think you could SEE i
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: think you could see some positive stuff coming from.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: That, definitely and that's in such an important position on
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: the field to be able to get some better. Production
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: he has cost him runs this, year there's no way around,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: it and he can't do that in the. Playoffs and
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: it's good to see his offenses come around and he
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: has played better defensively over the last few. Weeks so,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: yeah fingers crossed that, continues, absolutely.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Folks he Is John.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Staalin this again from The Hitting season podcast over at
• 29:57
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• 30:02
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• 30:06
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• 30:08
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking the time to join.
• 30:10
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• 30:12
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• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Anytime. Jeff you know that.
• 30:16
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