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The Palantir Manifesto · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Oh hey sure, everybody. Welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I
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Speaker 1: am one of your hosts, Adam Todd Brown, who is
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Speaker 1: joining me today as co host.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about the pal and Tier manifesto that has
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Speaker 1: been tearing up the internet. I don't think there's any
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Speaker 1: other conspiracy theory related news we could be talking about
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Speaker 1: right now, not this week. No, Yeah, I think this
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Speaker 1: is dominating the headlines. As far as I know. It
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Speaker 1: was getting a lot of media attention before someone tried
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Speaker 1: to kill Trump again. I am going to do an
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Speaker 1: episode about that, but for now, we should talk about
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Speaker 1: this pal Andeer thing.
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Speaker 2: By the way, no company should have the word pal
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Speaker 2: in its name less.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, these people are not your pal whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: I can't start something called friend Tier and have it
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Speaker 2: just be what we provide fluorescent lighting for ice concentration camps.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, having tear in the name is appropriate, even if
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Speaker 1: it's spelled wrong.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do evoke a lot of those.
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Speaker 1: This manifesto, it is basically a twenty two bullet point
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Speaker 1: summary of the twenty twenty five book The Technological Republic,
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Speaker 1: Hard Power, Soft Belief in the Future of the West,
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Speaker 1: written by Vallunteer CEO Alex Karp in his right hand
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Speaker 1: man Nicholas W. Zamiska, who is legal counsel and who
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Speaker 1: the fuck knows what else at Tallenteer.
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Speaker 2: Who would have known this whole time? We should have
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Speaker 2: been suckond up to Nicholas Zamiska, right, That's who we
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Speaker 2: had the answers.
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Speaker 1: And if people are unfamiliar, Alex Karp is the CEO
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Speaker 1: that you saw recently being all fidgety and shit in
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Speaker 1: that interview on stage and people were like, see on
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Speaker 1: drugs And I saw another interview with him, and I
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Speaker 1: want to assure people, Yes, he was definitely on drugs
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Speaker 1: in that interview, because he's not always that fidgity.
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Speaker 2: I think all these tech people and CEOs are zuited.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would be too, obviously if I had
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Speaker 1: that kind of money. I mean, I'm high all the
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Speaker 1: time now, and I don't have that kind of money.
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Speaker 1: I'm just not high on no tropics or whatever. The fuck.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're getting an economical hide at last all day
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Speaker 2: smoking that rock.
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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, it's just pounding the crack while we record
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Speaker 1: this crack count. People don't know that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you got to be a psychopath to be
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Speaker 2: one of those people, so cocaine would be great. It's
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Speaker 2: like I laid off twelve hundred people.
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Speaker 1: So Pallunteer claims they get a lot of people asking
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Speaker 1: for a summary of this book that Alex Karp wrote,
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Speaker 1: which that's got to be a bad sign.
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Speaker 2: You know who asked for a summary of it Alex
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Speaker 2: Karp's kids, so we wouldn't have to read the fucking thing.
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Speaker 2: He's like, can you just give me the broad strokes
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Speaker 2: so I can act like And.
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Speaker 1: This book was written in twenty twenty five and they're
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Speaker 1: just now posting this summary now. So how many times
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Speaker 1: before this do you think they were like, no, we're
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Speaker 1: not going to give you a summary, go read the book.
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Speaker 1: And most people were like, I'm fine not knowing. I'll
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Speaker 1: just never know.
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Speaker 2: I can die with that mystery.
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Speaker 1: So they're like, fine, we'll post it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like a lot of people posting on
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Speaker 2: the internet is just the answer a fake question that
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Speaker 2: nobody asked, and even sometimes saying like in the post,
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Speaker 2: like a lot of people have been asking me blah
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Speaker 2: blah blah, and it's like they have a lot of
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Speaker 2: people that have been asking you, a lot of people
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Speaker 2: a large amount.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, whenever someone says that on the internet, they mean
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Speaker 1: one maybe two. Yeah, most people engaging with your content
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Speaker 1: don't care enough to message you about fucking anything.
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Speaker 2: Most people's going through your content is like, are there
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Speaker 2: your tits in this? Immege or not? That's that's my
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Speaker 2: numbers exactly. That's the number one filtering on Instagram.
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Speaker 1: Are there tits, cats or dogs.
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Speaker 2: Or it's something horrible happening in Gaza. Yeah, they curtailed that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, they cut down on that because they cut
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Speaker 1: down on all the atrocities happening in Gaza. Connor, but
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Speaker 1: I think things are running pretty smooth there now.
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Speaker 2: I hear her like nine months away from having the
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Speaker 2: bitch in skyscraper luxury hotel.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the president of Piece swooped in, took care of it,
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Speaker 1: problem solved.
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Speaker 2: President of Piece says, and he's getting himself a piece.
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Speaker 1: Uh ooh, got him. He probably is, though, I bet,
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Speaker 1: I bet Trump's doing some fucking right now. He's certainly
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Speaker 1: not running the country.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know all then I can't rattle them
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Speaker 2: off at the top of my head. But there's a
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Speaker 2: bunch of instances of him being of like just quietly
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Speaker 2: having he does something and he's like and then the
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Speaker 2: money will go to a private account that I control.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's fucking nuts. And so because we go
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Speaker 1: the extra mile around these parts, I read the actual
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Speaker 1: book this weekend. I can tell a lot ab outlets
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Speaker 1: reporting on it are not doing that part. If for
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Speaker 1: no other reason, then they will all tell you this
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Speaker 1: is a three hundred and twenty page book. Not really.
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Speaker 1: It's around two hundred pages of manifesto followed by another
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Speaker 1: one hundred plus pages of acknowledgments, notes, bibliography, index, What is.
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Speaker 2: This one of my projects in eleventh grade? It's all
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Speaker 2: padding and those substances used a twelve point font.
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Speaker 1: And it speaking of no substance. Really is him making
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Speaker 1: one point over and over and over, which is that
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Speaker 1: Silicon Valley needs to partner with the government, and there
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Speaker 1: needs to be another Manhattan project.
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Speaker 2: That's it.
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Speaker 1: That's really all he's getting at. But it's a little
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Speaker 1: scarier than that. But that's the big overarching point.
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Speaker 2: Okay, it's this big goal.
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Speaker 1: And so we're going to go through the twenty two
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Speaker 1: points that were posted on Twitter currently known as x.
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Speaker 1: We won't dwell on each one because that would take
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Speaker 1: fucking forever, and me and Connor are not made of
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Speaker 1: free time. But some of them feel a little more
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Speaker 1: important and ominous than others. And I will say one
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Speaker 1: thing that doesn't come through in this manifesto, at least
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Speaker 1: in these twenty two points, that definitely comes through in
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Speaker 1: the book is this guy absolutely thinks we need a dictator.
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Speaker 1: I don't think he necessarily thinks it needs to be Trump,
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Speaker 1: but he is very much on the side of one
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Speaker 1: person at the top is in charge and then no
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Speaker 1: one else is in charge. Everyone under that is equal
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Speaker 1: and gets to have the same say and everything. But
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Speaker 1: we absolutely need a guy at the top. And one
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Speaker 1: of the things he uses to drive that point home
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Speaker 1: also not mentioned in these twenty two points. There's a
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Speaker 1: whole chapter about improv comedy and how improv can inform
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Speaker 1: decisions a business and a government makes.
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Speaker 2: I knew one day that improv would be linked to
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Speaker 2: some of the most despicable people on the planet Earth. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: When I saw that, I was like, there you go,
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Speaker 1: this all makes perfect sense now, you fucking Weirdoh.
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Speaker 2: They've just been yes ending the apocalypse.
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Speaker 1: So let's go through some of these points. The first one,
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Speaker 1: and this is a big one. This is, I would argue,
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Speaker 1: the biggest point in the book. Silicon Valley owes a
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Speaker 1: moral debt to the country that made its rise possible.
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Speaker 2: This sounds like snarre like something you'd hear at the
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Speaker 2: beginning of like a Purge movie. Oh.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And he's referring to the Manhattan Project. He's basically saying, Hey,
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Speaker 1: remember how great that was when science came together and
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Speaker 1: leveled two fucking entire towns in Japan and killed countless
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Speaker 1: numbers of innocent people.
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Speaker 2: More of that, And honestly, this is a much more
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Speaker 2: minor gripe compared to what Adam just said. If you
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Speaker 2: want your own Manhabitan Project, you're gonna need to give
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Speaker 2: it its own city. You got to call it the
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Speaker 2: San Francisco Project or the fucking say whatever, you know,
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Speaker 2: Project Reno.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Berkeley Project that actually doesn't sound bad.
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Speaker 2: Berkeley sounds like it could be a pretty good band too.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is a quote from the book. The
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Speaker 1: central argument that we advance in the pages that follow
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Speaker 1: is that the software industry should rebuild its relationship with
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Speaker 1: government and redirect its effort and attention to constructing the
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Speaker 1: technology and artificial intelligence capabilities that will address the most
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Speaker 1: pressing challenges that we collect actively face. The engineering elite
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Speaker 1: of Silicon Valley has an affirmative obligation to participate in
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Speaker 1: the defense of the nation and the articulation of a
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Speaker 1: national project. What is this country? What are our values?
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Speaker 1: And for what do we stand? And by extension, to
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Speaker 1: preserve the enduring, yet fragile geopolitical advantage that the United
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Speaker 1: States and its allies in Europe and elsewhere have retained
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Speaker 1: over their adversaries. End quote. This guy's running for president, right.
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Speaker 2: Sounds like it. I hope he gets an editor when
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Speaker 2: he runs for president. That was exhausting, just that one paragraph.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the only reason I was able to read
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Speaker 1: the whole thing I figured out. I mean, I didn't
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Speaker 1: figure it out. It's probably existed for a long time.
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Speaker 1: But if you have the audiobook and the Kindle book.
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Speaker 1: You can listen to the audiobook and it follows along
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Speaker 1: in the Kindle book and just highlights the text as
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Speaker 1: it's re and if you want to take a note
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Speaker 1: and stop and highlight something in the book, it pauses
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Speaker 1: and then starts playing again after you highlight it. So
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Speaker 1: I got through this book really fucking fast. I would
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Speaker 1: not have been able to just read this book. It
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Speaker 1: would have been fucking exhausting.
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Speaker 2: I do have to say respect on one small aspect
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Speaker 2: of the writing. When he says, what are our values
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Speaker 2: and for what do we stand? I respect him doing
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Speaker 2: the gymnastics of not ending that sentence on the preposition.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's attention to detail.
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Speaker 2: It's good writing.
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Speaker 1: He talks about how instrumental Silicon Valley was during World
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Speaker 1: War Two and on into the eighties and nineties. He's
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Speaker 1: got this quote that for some reason did not write down.
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Speaker 1: Who said this? No reason why? The lessons to be
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Speaker 1: found in this experiment that is directing the resources of
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Speaker 1: an emerging scientific establishment to help wage the most significant
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Speaker 1: and violent war that the world had ever known cannot
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Speaker 1: be profitably employed in times of peace. So he's just
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Speaker 1: saying all that shit we did during World War two.
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Speaker 1: You know, we banded together, we ration supplies, we recycled,
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Speaker 1: we did all that shit. We need to do it again,
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Speaker 1: but for some other reason. He never really specifies what
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Speaker 1: the reason is. That's for us to figure out. One
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Speaker 1: of the first things that bothers me about this whole
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Speaker 1: idea is he keeps bringing up that American ingenuity has
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Speaker 1: ushered in half a decade or more of peace, and
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Speaker 1: that all these people working in Silicon Valley, all these
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Speaker 1: people doing coding for the past twenty thirty years, they've
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Speaker 1: never known war, They've never known turmoil, they've never known unrest.
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Speaker 1: It's like, what in the holy fuck are you talking about.
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Speaker 1: Tell it to Vietnam, tell it to the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: Just because we haven't had another World war doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: people don't know war.
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Speaker 2: We've had large skirmishes on our large but we've had
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Speaker 2: skirmishes on our own soil.
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Speaker 1: The Vietnam War, if nothing else, definitely drove home what
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Speaker 1: the horrors of war are like for people in this country.
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Speaker 1: Because we still had the fucking draft, And that's another
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Speaker 1: thing he brings up, We need the draft again, why
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Speaker 1: because it went so well last time? That really fostered
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Speaker 1: a lot of trust and love for the American government
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Speaker 1: last time around.
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Speaker 2: If they do have a draft, they're going to find
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Speaker 2: out real quick that there's not even that many able
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Speaker 2: bodied men in this country in the first place. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: everybody is playing fucking arc raiders for nineteen hours a
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Speaker 2: day and eating hydrogenated oils for every meal. Maybe you're
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Speaker 2: gonna get fifteen to twenty percent that can even go
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Speaker 2: across the monkey bars and hold a rifle, and.
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Speaker 1: Half of them are going to show up to whatever
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Speaker 1: initial meeting you have about enlisting. They're going to show
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Speaker 1: up high, having pissed all over themselves, just trying to
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Speaker 1: look like the biggest fuck up possible.
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Speaker 2: That's what I would do, Golden, because I got a
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Speaker 2: fifty one to fifty, so I'll just I can just
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Speaker 2: be like, hey man, you don't want you want to
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Speaker 2: give me fucking hand, greanee, I'm gonna do something stupid,
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Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna have to stay back, and then
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Speaker 2: I'll be one of the only single guys in America
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Speaker 2: because they'll all be away at the war.
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Speaker 1: There it is. That's a plan.
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Speaker 2: And then I start I just start cleaning up, you
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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: And I'm good. I don't have a fifty one fifty,
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Speaker 1: but I do have a fifty in that that's how
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Speaker 1: old I am. And they're not drafting motherfuckers in their
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Speaker 1: fifties to go to war, not yet, not yet. And
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Speaker 1: even if they do, I bet it's gonna be some
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Speaker 1: office shit, which, yeah, for I would guess, like if
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Speaker 1: if I'm gonna be drafted, I want to like.
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Speaker 2: You'd be like the greeter at the base.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to do the driver updates for the
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Speaker 1: drone software or something like that. Like, just stick me
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Speaker 1: in a room somewhere. I'm not gonna help on the battlefield.
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Speaker 1: I will defect, probably to whatever country will take me.
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Speaker 2: Adam does love defecting.
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Speaker 1: I sure do, goddamn right. So, yeah, he's basing this
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Speaker 1: idea on the fact that we haven't had another world
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Speaker 1: war and just glossing over all the other shit that's happened.
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Speaker 1: It's also glossing over the fact that a lot of
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Speaker 1: those wars have come to be viewed as unjust and
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Speaker 1: as a waste of lives and resources that we didn't
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Speaker 1: need to spend, we didn't need to engage in those wars.
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Speaker 1: He never addresses that part when he's like, why aren't
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Speaker 1: these youngsters more beholden to the government. It's like, that's
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Speaker 1: why these wars that you're pretending didn't happen are why
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Speaker 1: people don't want to fuck with the government. Dipshit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I know a lot of people that
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Speaker 2: you know, we're in Iraq and Afghanistan and regret it entirely.
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Speaker 1: And he talks about how the Internet was the result
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Speaker 1: of military funding, which, yeah, everyone knows that, But then
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Speaker 1: he goes on to say that the failing of the
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Speaker 1: Internet was that it rushed to serve the needs of
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Speaker 1: the consumer at the expense of the nation state or public.
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Speaker 1: So I think he's advocating for more of a China
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Speaker 1: type Internet, where it's more a tool to kind of
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Speaker 1: restrict information.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was going to say dispense propaganda.
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Speaker 1: It seems like that's more what he's advocating for. Either
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Speaker 1: that or he wants it to just be purely informational,
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Speaker 1: in which case it would die because people would not
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Speaker 1: be making money on it and therefore would not keep
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Speaker 1: it alive. So point number two we must rebel against
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Speaker 1: the tyranny of the apps. Is the iPhone our greatest creative,
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Speaker 1: if not crowning achievement as a civilization. The object has
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Speaker 1: changed our lives, but it may also now be limiting
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Speaker 1: and constraining our sense of the possible. Who the fuck's
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Speaker 1: saying the iPhone is the crowning achievement of civilization. Motherfucker,
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Speaker 1: we built a large hadron collider.
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Speaker 2: It's like this guy is writing about modern news from
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Speaker 2: the voice of like a Roman play, like a real antigony,
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Speaker 2: or something like. I'm like, can you speak English, Tucker?
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Speaker 2: This is the most dense, unparsible language I've ever fucking
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Speaker 2: encountered in my life.
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Speaker 1: All that said, he does make one decent point here
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Speaker 1: in this section. I'll read the quote and then i'll
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Speaker 1: explain it in regular people terms. When emerging technologies that
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Speaker 1: give rise to wealth do not advance the broader public interest,
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Speaker 1: trouble often follows. Put differently, the decadence of a culture
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Speaker 1: or civilization and indeed it's ruling class, will be forgiven
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Speaker 1: only if that culture is capable of delivering economic growth
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Speaker 1: and security for the public. End quote. What he's getting
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Speaker 1: at here, and I do kind of agree with him,
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Speaker 1: is that we have ceded a lot of money and
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Speaker 1: power to Silicon Valley and the tech bros. And all
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Speaker 1: we've really gotten out of it is apps and things
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Speaker 1: that make like mundane shit about life seem easier. It's
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Speaker 1: easier to get a cab now.
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Speaker 2: I was about to say, now you can take a
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Speaker 2: sketchy cab rid wherever you want to go.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's really all we're getting. And meanwhile, they're
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Speaker 1: getting so rich, they're stockpiling so much money, and now
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Speaker 1: we've got motherfuckers like Elon Musk meddling in our elections.
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Speaker 1: The point he's getting at here is that's only going
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Speaker 1: to hold for so long, and eventually Silicon Valley needs
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Speaker 1: to start doing some shit that actually improves lives in
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Speaker 1: a real way or they will be eaten. And on
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Speaker 1: the one hand, facts, but on the other hand, we're
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Speaker 1: gonna eat you too. Alex Karp, you're part of the problem.
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Speaker 1: You're not doing shit that improves people's lives. You think
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Speaker 1: you are, but you're not. You're aiding in a betting,
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Speaker 1: fucking tyranny is all you're doing.
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Speaker 2: That's this curious thing to me about a lot of
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Speaker 2: these people, whether they're politicians or high ranking businessmen, is
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of them actually believe that they're
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Speaker 2: doing something righteous and they've worked with that prerogative.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's insane, and this guy is absolutely among those people.
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Speaker 1: The one thing he brings up that I guess no, no,
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Speaker 1: I'm not even okay with that because of the reasons
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Speaker 1: we were there in the first place. But one of
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Speaker 1: the first uses of Pallanteer equipment by the government was
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Speaker 1: to find IEDs in Afghanistan. And on the one hand, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's good. I'm not going to advocate for fucking poor
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Speaker 1: people getting blown up by IEDs in the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, we shouldn't have been in
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Speaker 1: the Middle East at all. So even that, he's still
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Speaker 1: just kind of helping the United States be the destructive
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Speaker 1: force it's been on the world stage, while at the
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Speaker 1: same time being like, but look at all this piece, Eh, Like,
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Speaker 1: you're fooling yourself, dude.
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Speaker 2: I think we should give them all IUDs if they
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Speaker 2: want one, you know, just it helps foster save sex.
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Speaker 1: Point number three is pretty much the same as point
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Speaker 1: number two. Free email is not enough. He's just saying
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Speaker 1: the same thing. Silicon Valley has all this money, has
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Speaker 1: all this power, and we're just getting like free email
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Speaker 1: for it.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, they haven't started charging for email yet.
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Speaker 2: They're going to. That's insane that they haven't already.
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Speaker 1: I am legitimately surprised that email hasn't been I think
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Speaker 1: they just know people. I mean, unless Google started charging
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Speaker 1: for it, then I think people would pay for it
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Speaker 1: because people are so married to their Gmail addresses.
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Speaker 2: I think they would do it slowly until one day
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Speaker 2: we look up and we're like, wait, am I fucking
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Speaker 2: paid for email? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Is this fifteen ninety nine a month? What the fuck?
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Speaker 1: Number four? The limits of soft power of soaring rhetoric
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Speaker 1: alone have been exposed. The ability of free and democratic
19:55
Speaker 1: societies to prevail requires something more than moral appeal. Wires,
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Speaker 1: hard power, and hard power in this century will be
20:03
Speaker 1: built on software. This is just saying we need to
20:06
Speaker 1: invest in software more as a means of control and shit.
20:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure. I guess if I had a
20:15
Speaker 2: you know, a bicycle country, I'd in my manifesto, I'd
20:19
Speaker 2: say we've all got to invest in bicycles, you know, Yeah,
20:23
Speaker 2: And I'd probably mean it too. I'd be like, you
20:24
Speaker 2: fucking knew they're great for the environment. It's still the
20:27
Speaker 2: most efficient manpowered vehicle. Man, isn't that crazy bicycle is
20:31
Speaker 2: still like the most efficient human powered vehicle?
20:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a quote about point number four. This
20:37
Speaker 1: is the software century, and yet our challenge is that
20:40
Speaker 1: the generation that is most capable and best positioned to
20:43
Speaker 1: construct this next wave of offensive capabilities is also the
20:47
Speaker 1: most content to retreat from projects involving national defense or
20:52
Speaker 1: communal purpose. End quote. I think another point he's kind
20:57
Speaker 1: of low key getting at here is well, when Trump
21:01
Speaker 1: stops letting foreign workers into the country, we're not gonna
21:06
Speaker 1: have any workers left, So we need to rally the
21:10
Speaker 1: troops here at home and get a little bit of
21:13
Speaker 1: nationalism going in them so they can help us build
21:16
Speaker 1: the bombs that we will use to ravage the rest
21:19
Speaker 1: of the world over the next few decades. Because I
21:22
Speaker 1: don't think people coming here on like j One visas
21:26
Speaker 1: and shit to work in Silicon Valley are having these
21:29
Speaker 1: same qualms.
21:30
Speaker 2: This is again it's so like hark ye heech bros,
21:35
Speaker 2: hear me. Now doth the software protests the.
21:38
Speaker 1: Van Point number five This is an easy one. The
21:41
Speaker 1: question is not whether AI weapons will be built, it
21:44
Speaker 1: is who will build them and for what purpose. He's
21:48
Speaker 1: obviously saying we need to build them and that we
21:51
Speaker 1: need to use them.
21:52
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean it's Fritz. This is pretty
21:55
Speaker 2: you know, it's saying it's mutually assured destruction. We've got
21:58
Speaker 2: it has to be done.
21:59
Speaker 1: Number. This is where people got a little tense when
22:04
Speaker 1: they read this manifesto. National service should be a universal
22:08
Speaker 1: duty duty. We should as a society seriously consider moving
22:15
Speaker 1: away from an all volunteer force and only fight the
22:19
Speaker 1: next war if everyone shares in the risk and the cost.
22:24
Speaker 2: Good lord, do we need to be more like Israel?
22:26
Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly. And he's framing it in the book as like, well,
22:34
Speaker 1: these politicians who are you know, voting to send kids
22:39
Speaker 1: off to fight in wars. Their kids aren't at any
22:43
Speaker 1: risk of going to war, so we need a draft.
22:46
Speaker 1: It's like, bitch, you know, and I know that those
22:49
Speaker 1: kids still will not be at risk of going to war.
22:54
Speaker 1: That's how it worked during Vietnam. It's how it will
22:56
Speaker 1: fucking work now. The rich kids will get.
22:59
Speaker 2: Out, you'll have bone spurs and a family doctor.
23:03
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not fucking buying it. I'm not
23:05
Speaker 1: buying this argument at all. I get that he's trying
23:08
Speaker 1: to frame it as will the politicians. Kids aren't at risk, yeah,
23:12
Speaker 1: and they never will be, so fuck yeah with your draft.
23:15
Speaker 2: Other the politicians will be like, hey, Spencer, come on,
23:18
Speaker 2: can you help me out here. If you if you
23:20
Speaker 2: went and served in the war, it would be great
23:21
Speaker 2: for my numbers.
23:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then Spencer is over there taking my job
23:27
Speaker 1: updating the drone software drivers, and now I'm out on
23:31
Speaker 1: the battlefield and we lose that war number seven. If
23:35
Speaker 1: a US marine like Adam O'Connor asked for a better rifle,
23:39
Speaker 1: we should build it, and the same goes for software.
23:43
Speaker 1: This he was just belly aching about admittedly pretty crazy
23:47
Speaker 1: situation that happened during the war in Afghanistan where we
23:53
Speaker 1: needed a bunch of radios in the field, like just
23:56
Speaker 1: the fucking cheap twenty dollars walkie talkies you can buy
24:00
Speaker 1: at Walmart. But because of some law that had just
24:04
Speaker 1: been passed, we as a government, as a military could
24:08
Speaker 1: not just say, go to a Walmart and buy a
24:11
Speaker 1: bunch of fucking walkie talkies and ship them to the troops.
24:15
Speaker 1: There were all these fucking hoops that people had to
24:18
Speaker 1: jump through, to the point that the solution ended up
24:21
Speaker 1: being Japan bought them and sent them to us because
24:25
Speaker 1: Japan can just go buy shit if they want. They
24:29
Speaker 1: don't have any of those restrictions, and because they're an ally,
24:33
Speaker 1: they just it was just easier instead of us just
24:36
Speaker 1: buying them.
24:36
Speaker 2: I can't believe there's someone who wants walkie talkies more
24:39
Speaker 2: than ten year old Connor that was so into the
24:42
Speaker 2: idea of having walkie talkies. Dude, I couldn't fucking get over.
24:46
Speaker 2: And I waited all year for my birthday just to
24:48
Speaker 2: fucking talk to my cousin from ten feet away.
24:50
Speaker 1: Did you you get one?
24:51
Speaker 2: Yeah? Disappointing, like all things in life.
24:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had the same thing. I had a cousin
24:57
Speaker 1: who lived right next door to me, and we had
24:59
Speaker 1: wal talkies for a while, and we use them for
25:02
Speaker 1: about two nights. It's like, I've been talking to you
25:05
Speaker 1: all fucking day. I don't want to talk to you
25:06
Speaker 1: when I'm going to bed.
25:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like too much. And you never you don't
25:11
Speaker 2: exactly have any secret missions to go on like you
25:13
Speaker 2: think you're going to.
25:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gonna kick start the espionage career.
25:18
Speaker 2: You buy some of a bunch of gear and then
25:20
Speaker 2: you're like, wait a second, I'm not a spy. All
25:22
Speaker 2: I can do is fucking sleep on my neighbors.
25:24
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, Number eight public servants need not be
25:28
Speaker 1: our priests. This I also don't completely disagree with. He's
25:34
Speaker 1: making the same argument that we make for teachers right now,
25:40
Speaker 1: which is we should be paying teachers like we pay doctors,
25:43
Speaker 1: because we want the best fucking people doing teaching jobs,
25:47
Speaker 1: and if there was more money in it, you'd get
25:50
Speaker 1: more people applying for jobs. All he's arguing here is
25:54
Speaker 1: maybe we should consider paying elective officials a little bit
25:58
Speaker 1: more money, and then maybe we'll get some who one
26:02
Speaker 1: are just in it for the salary, but you keep
26:05
Speaker 1: that job by being good at it. And two maybe
26:07
Speaker 1: you won't get all these people who are like, well,
26:10
Speaker 1: it doesn't pay much, but I can certainly use that
26:12
Speaker 1: job to enrich myself. I guess I'm on the fence
26:16
Speaker 1: about this. It's not the most offensive suggestion in here
26:19
Speaker 1: by a fucking long shot.
26:21
Speaker 2: I think the public servants should be our priest because
26:23
Speaker 2: then they would have to wear funny hats and stupid outfits.
26:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't think about that. I mean, they're already
26:28
Speaker 1: halfway to be in priest because they're all pedophiles of all.
26:31
Speaker 2: Right, Oh hey, come on now, conspiracy the show show show.
26:37
Speaker 1: Number nine. We should show far more grace towards those
26:41
Speaker 1: who have subjected themselves to public life. It's just him
26:45
Speaker 1: railing against cancel culture.
26:47
Speaker 2: I think we should be nice to famous people. I've
26:50
Speaker 2: worked with a lot of famous people, and don't worry
26:53
Speaker 2: that your mean words are working.
26:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is another one that I'm not really against.
27:00
Speaker 2: You come up with twenty two points in a manifesto,
27:02
Speaker 2: I'm going to agree with three or four of them, you.
27:04
Speaker 1: Know, And I do think there is room for forgiveness
27:09
Speaker 1: in the world and understanding that sometimes people make mistakes,
27:15
Speaker 1: Sometimes people have mental health situations that make them do
27:18
Speaker 1: crazy shit. Absolutely, I feel like we a lot of
27:21
Speaker 1: times do not have a lot of grace for stuff
27:24
Speaker 1: like that, unless it's someone we really really like.
27:28
Speaker 2: Like Kanye West.
27:30
Speaker 1: Number ten. Psychologization of modern politics is leading us astray.
27:37
Speaker 1: Those who look to the political arena to nourish their
27:39
Speaker 1: soul and sense of self, who rely too heavily on
27:43
Speaker 1: their internal life finding expression in people they may never meet,
27:46
Speaker 1: will be left disappointed. I don't think that's necessarily wrong.
27:50
Speaker 2: It kind of sounds like people that get too involved
27:53
Speaker 2: in other people's lives will feel bad, and I think
27:57
Speaker 2: that that's probably true.
27:58
Speaker 1: And I think he's also talking about, you know, the
28:02
Speaker 1: blue versus Red.
28:03
Speaker 2: Thing in this country, coke versus PEPSI.
28:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are just some people where, you know, that's
28:11
Speaker 1: the side I vote with, So everything they say is right.
28:14
Speaker 2: Obviously, if there was a Republican politician whose only platform,
28:18
Speaker 2: his only stance was I will give Connor's father four
28:21
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars every year for the rest of time
28:25
Speaker 2: if you elect me, he would still vote for the Democrat.
28:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean kind of the same. Like I've never
28:32
Speaker 1: once voted Republican in my half a century on this earth.
28:37
Speaker 2: I haven't either. I've voted for you know, Adam Todd
28:40
Speaker 2: Brown and Keith Carey before, though quite a few times.
28:43
Speaker 1: Oh you mean it's like ride ins.
28:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, as of I think both of these candidates are
28:47
Speaker 2: bad and I will not endorse either of them.
28:49
Speaker 1: Yeah. The only time I ever registered with a party
28:53
Speaker 1: was to vote for Bernie in the California primary same
28:59
Speaker 1: against Hillary Clinton. Other than that, I've always registered as
29:02
Speaker 1: fucking independent. But the same also, never voted Republican.
29:05
Speaker 2: I voted libertarian once. I do regret that, but I
29:09
Speaker 2: have the most chaotic voting history out of anyone. You
29:12
Speaker 2: can't talk My voting history is insane. I voted for
29:14
Speaker 2: Gary Johnson, Hillary Clinton, Kanye West, and then Mary Anne Williamson.
29:20
Speaker 1: So that is a wild voting history.
29:23
Speaker 2: I'm determined to have the weirdest one ever, but I
29:26
Speaker 2: like to vote for someone that actually is in the race.
29:29
Speaker 2: Kind of. Yeah.
29:30
Speaker 1: Number eleven. Our society has grown too eager to hasten
29:34
Speaker 1: and is often gleeful at the demise of its enemies.
29:38
Speaker 1: The vanquishing of an opponent is a moment to pause,
29:41
Speaker 1: not rejoice.
29:42
Speaker 2: Okay, that's something I would write as like a mice
29:45
Speaker 2: based bulletin with a picture of me with a Samurai
29:48
Speaker 2: sword when I was fourteen.
29:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, and sorry, Bud. It depends on what enemy you're
29:52
Speaker 1: talking about. The Nazis were a lot of people's enemy,
29:55
Speaker 1: and I think it was very, very right to sell
30:00
Speaker 1: break the end of that goddamn regime.
30:02
Speaker 2: So remember, when you kill a guy, you don't need
30:04
Speaker 2: to fucking at that moment t bagging like Halo, or
30:09
Speaker 2: maybe you do. I don't fucking know.
30:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm very much. Not a celebrate gun
30:14
Speaker 1: violence on the internet kind of guy, no matter who
30:17
Speaker 1: it's happening to. Another thing that really bothers me about
30:20
Speaker 1: all this is he's clearly pitching a right wing government
30:25
Speaker 1: to take on this plan and put it in action.
30:29
Speaker 1: Are you asking them about being gleeful at the demise
30:34
Speaker 1: of their enemies? Because another thing that comes up a
30:37
Speaker 1: lot in this is him criticizing the left. He never
30:41
Speaker 1: mentions right wingers. Never, it's always, Oh, the left is
30:46
Speaker 1: so intolerant of religion. The left is so intolerant of
30:51
Speaker 1: other people's viewpoints. It's like, motherfucker, So is the right.
30:55
Speaker 1: Go talk to someone on the right about Islam? Are
30:58
Speaker 1: they receptive to that shit? Are tolerant to other people's viewpoints?
31:03
Speaker 2: No? And then he said it was a religion of peace.
31:08
Speaker 1: But this fucking Nazi wants you to think it's just
31:12
Speaker 1: the left and fucking us colleges that are the problem
31:17
Speaker 1: in this country. They've fostered all of this mistrust in
31:21
Speaker 1: the military, in the government. The government's done nothing to
31:25
Speaker 1: deserve that, by the way, They've done nothing but usher
31:27
Speaker 1: in peace and prosperity for all of us, all of us.
31:31
Speaker 1: And this is how we repay them. Thanks Connor, thanks
31:34
Speaker 1: a lot.
31:35
Speaker 2: I bought all of his commemorative coins. I don't know
31:38
Speaker 2: what you want from me.
31:39
Speaker 1: I bought a Trump Phone gold one.
31:42
Speaker 2: We get the Watch coming next week.
31:44
Speaker 1: Number twelve. The Atomic Age is ending. One age of deterrence.
31:48
Speaker 1: The atomic age is ending, and a new era of
31:51
Speaker 1: deterrence built on AI is set to begin. Does it
31:55
Speaker 1: feel like the atomic age is ending?
31:57
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's still like one of the
31:58
Speaker 2: most competitive ways to produce energy.
32:01
Speaker 1: It also feels like if the atomic age is going
32:04
Speaker 1: to end for any reason, it's going to be because
32:06
Speaker 1: we all use our nukes on each other. Yeah, we
32:10
Speaker 1: still got them and we're still threatening to use them.
32:13
Speaker 1: But he's just saying, let's build a better nuke with
32:15
Speaker 1: the robots.
32:16
Speaker 2: We're just we're making that machine and Star Trek that
32:20
Speaker 2: where you can they just simulate the wars and then
32:23
Speaker 2: they just kill that many people because it's more humane
32:26
Speaker 2: than just doing it in the battlefield.
32:28
Speaker 1: Oh man, you saying that reminded me. I was looking
32:32
Speaker 1: into maybe doing this episode about the Trump assassination plots
32:37
Speaker 1: and whatnot, and I was looking into all of the
32:40
Speaker 1: attempts against Obama's life and at one point the FBI.
32:46
Speaker 1: They had informants there the whole time, but they did
32:49
Speaker 1: that thing where they show up and they're like, hey,
32:51
Speaker 1: you guys want to build a bomb, and then when
32:54
Speaker 1: the bomb is built, they're like, just joking, you're under arrest.
32:56
Speaker 1: We're the FBI. But in this case, the guy wasn't
32:58
Speaker 1: building a bomb. He was building a functional microwave ray
33:03
Speaker 1: weapon capable of killing a person from a significant distance.
33:08
Speaker 1: And it says the FBI rendered the device inoperable for
33:14
Speaker 1: the safety of the public. I fucking bet they did.
33:19
Speaker 1: I bet they rendered it inoperable as long as they
33:21
Speaker 1: could get it back to the fucking lab and tell
33:24
Speaker 1: someone to build a thousand of these things.
33:27
Speaker 2: A bos, I got this really powerful invisible laser.
33:31
Speaker 1: What should I do with this thing? Throw it in
33:33
Speaker 1: the garbage? No way did that happen. We still got
33:38
Speaker 1: that thing somewhere.
33:39
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, and they burned Nikola Tesla's papers. Okay,
33:44
Speaker 2: I think that's my ultimate If I could be going
33:46
Speaker 2: the vaults of the government Nikola Tesla's lost ramblings.
33:50
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, number thirteen, no other country. It's hard for
33:56
Speaker 1: me to even say this one without laughing. He's talking
33:58
Speaker 1: about the United States. No other country in the history
34:01
Speaker 1: of the world has advanced progressive values more than this one. Well,
34:05
Speaker 1: the fucker Mexico beat us to having a woman president.
34:08
Speaker 1: Mexico was macho goddamn country on Earth. They elected a
34:11
Speaker 1: woman before us, and we are somehow the standard bearer
34:15
Speaker 1: in progressive values. We do alright by rich white people
34:19
Speaker 1: in this country. That's about it.
34:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're a rich white guy, it's a pretty
34:23
Speaker 2: al right place to live.
34:25
Speaker 1: Yeah. Beyond that, by every metric, we're like middle of
34:29
Speaker 1: the pack when it comes to fucking literacy, press, freedom,
34:33
Speaker 1: all of those things, healthcare, birth weight, Yeah, infant mortality.
34:38
Speaker 1: We are so further down the list than we should
34:42
Speaker 1: be in all of those fucking ways, except for the
34:45
Speaker 1: part where if you want to become a trillionaire, we're
34:49
Speaker 1: fine with that.
34:50
Speaker 2: You just got a hustling grind, dude.
34:52
Speaker 1: Goddamn right, wake up on that grind. So yeah, number thirteen,
34:56
Speaker 1: that's some bullshit. I already talked about this one. Number fourteen.
35:00
Speaker 1: American power has made possible an extraordinarily long piece. Too
35:04
Speaker 1: many have forgotten, or perhaps take for granted, that nearly
35:07
Speaker 1: a century of some version of peace has prevailed in
35:11
Speaker 1: the world without a great power military conflict. At least
35:16
Speaker 1: three generations. Billions of people and their children and now
35:20
Speaker 1: grandchildren have never known a world war. Meanwhile, I can't
35:24
Speaker 1: set off firecrackers on the fourth of July because my
35:28
Speaker 1: Vietnam Vet neighbor will gun down the entire.
35:30
Speaker 2: Neighborhood if you do that, party pooper.
35:33
Speaker 1: But this world has never known the horrors of war.
35:39
Speaker 3: American power has made possible an extraordinarily long piece.
35:45
Speaker 1: That does sound like the opening line of a fucking
35:47
Speaker 1: superhero movie, and the villain would absolutely be saying that shit.
35:51
Speaker 3: Too many have forgotten or perhaps taken for granted, that
35:56
Speaker 3: nearly a century of some version of peace has prevailed
36:00
Speaker 3: the world without a great power military conflict.
36:03
Speaker 1: That is kind of the vibe of this book. What
36:06
Speaker 1: he doesn't realize is all he's saying is, Hey, you
36:10
Speaker 1: haven't had to go kill brown people in the Middle East.
36:13
Speaker 1: That's been poor people. I think he's just assuming poor
36:16
Speaker 1: people aren't reading this book, because.
36:18
Speaker 2: Why would you I live so far from Barnes and Noble.
36:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, why would you read this shit?
36:22
Speaker 2: I said that because sorry, I just found out that
36:24
Speaker 2: Barnes and Noble literally purposely put their stores in rich
36:28
Speaker 2: neighborhoods because they didn't think poor people read books.
36:32
Speaker 1: Oh, come on, Barnes and Noble. I thought you were
36:34
Speaker 1: the good guys. You're what Amazon was supposed to be,
36:37
Speaker 1: just selling books.
36:39
Speaker 2: We all, look, let's all just be fucking honest. We
36:41
Speaker 2: missed borders and we've resented Barnes and Noble for being
36:45
Speaker 2: like this. Like we can't exactly criticize him as a stepdad,
36:48
Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean I love him or alike, and
36:49
Speaker 2: we respect him.
36:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's a lot like Uber and Waimo.
36:55
Speaker 1: You know, right now we're up in arms about Oh,
36:59
Speaker 1: Amazon's putting all these companies out of business, and how
37:02
Speaker 1: long's Barnes and Noble got before there's no more bookstores?
37:06
Speaker 1: How long did bookstores have before Barnes and Noble came along.
37:09
Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble did the same exact same thing, just
37:12
Speaker 1: like Uber did the same thing to cab drivers that
37:14
Speaker 1: Waimo will eventually do to Uber.
37:17
Speaker 2: And then we'll traveling in tubes.
37:19
Speaker 1: Hopefully I want those fucking Jetson's tubes.
37:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems fun. I mean, I like the idea
37:24
Speaker 2: of getting kind of a rush every time I go someplace,
37:27
Speaker 2: like I go to the liquor store and I'm.
37:28
Speaker 1: Like, we yeah, that would be great. So point number fifteen,
37:33
Speaker 1: this is where things start getting a little uncomfortably white supremacist,
37:39
Speaker 1: I would say, because one of the things that also
37:42
Speaker 1: doesn't come through in these twenty two points that were
37:46
Speaker 1: shared on Twitter is there are several points when he's
37:50
Speaker 1: railing against how the left doesn't let you have thoughts
37:56
Speaker 1: or ideas or there's just certain things that if you
37:58
Speaker 1: try to talk about them, you're going to shut down.
38:00
Speaker 1: One of the things he brings up more than once
38:03
Speaker 1: is well, what about how there's some cultures that have
38:07
Speaker 1: been more productive and better than others. Why can't we
38:11
Speaker 1: talk about that? And it's like, go on, who you're
38:14
Speaker 1: referring to? And that brings us to point number fifteen.
38:17
Speaker 1: The post war neutering of Germany and Japan must be undone.
38:21
Speaker 1: The defanging of Germany was an over correction for which
38:24
Speaker 1: Europe is now paying a heavy price. A similar and
38:27
Speaker 1: highly theatrical commitment to Japanese pacifism will, if maintained, also
38:32
Speaker 1: threatened to shift the balance of power in Asia. You
38:35
Speaker 1: know who else wants Japan to have a military again,
38:39
Speaker 1: right wingers in Japan. It is at first one of
38:42
Speaker 1: the reasons people assumed Shinzo Abe was assassinated. Turns out
38:47
Speaker 1: that was not the case. It was a whole other thing.
38:49
Speaker 1: But that's what right wingers want in Japan. This is
38:53
Speaker 1: a very right wing talking point coming from this guy.
38:57
Speaker 1: Everything about this is right wing, as.
39:00
Speaker 3: The defanging of Germany was an over correction for which
39:04
Speaker 3: Europe is now paying a heavy price.
39:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, all of these points sound like that.
39:10
Speaker 2: Shit, Yeah, that sounds about right. I guess I'm not
39:13
Speaker 2: as racist as I thought I was, because I've never
39:16
Speaker 2: even considered this position before, that we should allow Japan
39:19
Speaker 2: and Germany to have a standing army again.
39:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know that it's even a matter
39:25
Speaker 1: of us allowing it. I think in the case of Japan,
39:28
Speaker 1: they just choose not to. Oh interesting, and if you
39:32
Speaker 1: look at the things that army was getting up to
39:36
Speaker 1: when they did exist, it fucking makes sense. I mean,
39:40
Speaker 1: the Nazis get all the credit, but Japan got up
39:43
Speaker 1: to some fucking atrocities in World War Two. Google Unit
39:48
Speaker 1: seven three to one sometime. But also don't unless you've
39:53
Speaker 1: seen the film Human Centipede, and it didn't bother you
39:56
Speaker 1: that much because they were getting up to shit like that.
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Speaker 2: Gross. That also sounds like a gundom Ova.
40:05
Speaker 1: I get that reference, you know I do.
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Speaker 2: Adam loves that reference.
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Speaker 1: Number sixteen, motherfucker can miss me with this. We should
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Speaker 1: applaud those who attempt to build where the market has
40:16
Speaker 1: failed to act. The culture almost snickers at Elon Musk's
40:20
Speaker 1: interest in grand narrative, as if billionaires ought to simply
40:24
Speaker 1: stay in their lane of enriching themselves. Any curiosity or
40:28
Speaker 1: genuine interest in the value of what he has created
40:31
Speaker 1: is essentially dismissed, or perhaps lurks from beneath a thinly
40:35
Speaker 1: veiled score. What has that motherfucker done that we should
40:39
Speaker 1: be praising him this much for he makes cars?
40:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, he brought to market a pretty okay car. Yeah,
40:46
Speaker 2: big fucking deal, using like other people's platforms and research
40:51
Speaker 2: and buying a brand from some more interesting guys that
40:55
Speaker 2: started the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, Number sixteen fuck off, and he made a
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Speaker 1: bunch of rockets of blue. Number seventeen can fuck right off. Also,
41:03
Speaker 1: Silicon Valley must play a role in addressing violent crime.
41:07
Speaker 1: Many politicians across the United States have essentially shrugged when
41:11
Speaker 1: it comes to violent crime, abandoning any serious efforts to
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Speaker 1: address the problem or take on any risk with their
41:17
Speaker 1: constituencies or donors in coming up with solutions and experiments
41:22
Speaker 1: in what should be a desperate bid to save lives.
41:26
Speaker 1: I cannot stress enough violent crime rates have been dropping
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Speaker 1: in this country for like forty years now. Go look
41:34
Speaker 1: at murder rates in a place like New York City
41:37
Speaker 1: in the seventies. It is nightmare fuel.
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Speaker 2: I think there's just more homeless people, and people don't
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Speaker 2: want to see that, and they just assume they're committing
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Speaker 2: crimes when most of them are just like I'm trying
41:47
Speaker 2: to have a beer and take a nap.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I do think that is a big part of it.
41:52
Speaker 2: Everyone's like the crime in Los Angeles, and I was like,
41:54
Speaker 2: I lived in Los Angeles for ten years. There's no
41:57
Speaker 2: fucking crime. I walk around a night in horrible neighborhoods all.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I fuck around in downtown LA at night all
42:03
Speaker 1: the time, and I guarantee you downtown LA is probably
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Speaker 1: more dangerous than most parts of most major cities.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
42:11
Speaker 2: I had gain tags on my fucking trash cans when
42:14
Speaker 2: I lived in Echo Park.
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Speaker 1: One of my favorite statistics from history, along with Dan
42:21
Speaker 1: Marino only having eighty rushing yards his entire career. Downtown
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Speaker 1: LA is the only part of the country where gentrification
42:29
Speaker 1: caused crime rates to go up. Because the thing about
42:34
Speaker 1: Downtown LA. Sure, there's skid row, there's you know that
42:38
Speaker 1: section that we associate, Oh, that's where all the homeless
42:40
Speaker 1: people are. No, they're everywhere. They are everywhere in downtown LA.
42:45
Speaker 1: And when they gentrified Downtown LA, they didn't move anyone.
42:49
Speaker 1: They just dropped a bunch of rich people there. And
42:52
Speaker 1: those rich people started getting robbed in droves.
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Speaker 2: It's like kind of funny and there's a kind of
42:58
Speaker 2: a fuck around and find out. Yeah, aspects to it.
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Speaker 2: That's satisfying.
43:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the circle of life.
43:04
Speaker 2: Baby. That's also just supplying demanded action. If the supply
43:08
Speaker 2: of purses, with the large amounts of loose cash and them,
43:12
Speaker 2: it gets high enough, it's like, well, we got as
43:13
Speaker 2: start committing some crimes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it would be fool as not to makes sense.
43:18
Speaker 1: This is a quote from the Violent Crime section. The
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Speaker 1: challenge for police officers in New Orleans and across the
43:23
Speaker 1: country was similar to what the US Army had faced
43:26
Speaker 1: in attempting to disrupt the proliferation of bombs that were
43:30
Speaker 1: killing soldiers. Too much information and a complete lack of
43:34
Speaker 1: the underlying software architecture that would allow such information to
43:38
Speaker 1: be integrated and analyzed in any meaningful way. Criminal investigators
43:43
Speaker 1: and police officers in New Orleans needed a better system
43:46
Speaker 1: for stitching together the patchwork of information they had about
43:50
Speaker 1: criminal networks and tackling gun violence end quote. So nothing
43:55
Speaker 1: about the social or environmental issue us that lead to
44:01
Speaker 1: gun violence. Nothing about the need to invest in impoverished communities,
44:08
Speaker 1: provide more jobs for people. It's just the robots got
44:11
Speaker 1: to round up these fucking criminals.
44:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, and nothing about mental health.
44:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the whole solution.
44:18
Speaker 2: Let the homeless die, you know.
44:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, So fuck this Nazi fuck number eighteen. The ruthless
44:25
Speaker 1: exposure of the private lives of public figures drives far
44:29
Speaker 1: too much talent away from government service.
44:32
Speaker 2: It's like, just would you let us molest a few
44:35
Speaker 2: teenagers here?
44:36
Speaker 1: That's absolutely what he's getting at here? Is hey, cool
44:41
Speaker 1: it with the political scandals. If your government is doing
44:45
Speaker 1: everything else they're supposed to do and it's like, ah,
44:47
Speaker 1: that's the caveat. They're not they're not doing all the
44:50
Speaker 1: other things. They're doing all the bad shit without doing
44:52
Speaker 1: any of the good things.
44:53
Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk about those private lives, Bud, Yeah,
44:56
Speaker 2: we got bad things all the court.
44:58
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Number nineteen. The caution in public life that we unwittingly
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Speaker 1: encourage is corrosive. Those who say nothing wrong often say
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Speaker 1: nothing much at all. This is another quote from the
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Speaker 1: book The soul of the Country was at stake, having
45:14
Speaker 1: been abandoned in the name of inclusivity. The problem is
45:18
Speaker 1: that tolerance of everything often constitutes belief in nothing.
45:23
Speaker 2: This sounds like one of those Winston Churchill lines those
45:26
Speaker 2: who say nothing wrong often say nothing much at all.
45:29
Speaker 1: And he keeps hitting on this point that Okay, well,
45:34
Speaker 1: we're encouraging inclusivity in all of that, but inclusivity into
45:39
Speaker 1: what what are we?
45:40
Speaker 2: Like?
45:40
Speaker 1: What is what is the American way?
45:43
Speaker 2: Like?
45:43
Speaker 1: What is an American And it's like, bitch, that's it,
45:47
Speaker 1: that's the American way. It's that you're supposed to be
45:50
Speaker 1: able to come here and do whatever the fuck you want,
45:53
Speaker 1: worship whatever God you want, fuck whoever you want, as
45:56
Speaker 1: long as it's not a kid, and you're not also
45:58
Speaker 1: a kid.
45:58
Speaker 2: You get it.
45:59
Speaker 1: No sex crimes, but like, that's been our whole bag forever.
46:04
Speaker 1: Bring us your tired, you're poor, your huddled masses yearning
46:07
Speaker 1: to be free. That's the fucking identity you don't that's it.
46:12
Speaker 1: And he is like, yeah, but what no we need
46:16
Speaker 1: what are you being included in? It's like, this isn't France, motherfucker.
46:20
Speaker 1: That's France. France is the country where they're like, yeah,
46:23
Speaker 1: you can come live here, but you're French. Once you
46:26
Speaker 1: get all that other shit, you leave that behind. You're French.
46:28
Speaker 3: Now.
46:29
Speaker 1: That's always been our thing to not be that way,
46:31
Speaker 1: and that's what he wants to replace. He's preaching about
46:36
Speaker 1: upholding the American way when he's really talking about undoing
46:40
Speaker 1: it entirely.
46:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we needed with our society. It wasn't
46:44
Speaker 2: homogeneous enough. Yeah, exactly, there's nothing enough people drinking mountain
46:47
Speaker 2: dew and watching America's got talent. We got to get
46:50
Speaker 2: those numbers up number twenty.
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Speaker 1: This is another one where he is pointing a whole
46:56
Speaker 1: lot of fingers at the left and just ignoring the
47:00
Speaker 1: right entirely. The pervasive intolerance of religious belief in certain
47:05
Speaker 1: circles must be resisted. The elites. Intolerance of religious belief
47:10
Speaker 1: is perhaps one of the most telling signs that it's
47:14
Speaker 1: political project constitutes a less open intellectual movement than many
47:19
Speaker 1: within it would claim. Are you also talking about right
47:23
Speaker 1: wingers in Islam or are you just talking about the
47:26
Speaker 1: left in Christianity? It feels like he's just talking about
47:30
Speaker 1: the left and being like, why can't you be more
47:33
Speaker 1: open minded like the right wingers over here? It's like
47:37
Speaker 1: those motherfuckers hate religion too, they just hate a different one.
47:40
Speaker 2: I swear to God, I cannot understand anything this guy writes.
47:43
Speaker 2: I sit here staring at this tax waiting for some
47:46
Speaker 2: kind of meaning to jump out at me. But it's
47:49
Speaker 2: like he's constantly referring to things I have no concept of.
47:53
Speaker 2: I don't know.
47:54
Speaker 1: I mean, it really is two hundred pages of a
47:59
Speaker 1: sales pitch about why Pallunteers should be the chosen AI
48:03
Speaker 1: company of the next Nazi regime. That's pretty much all
48:07
Speaker 1: this guy's getting at, and he's trying to wrap it
48:09
Speaker 1: up in this flowery ass language, but he's just saying, Hey,
48:13
Speaker 1: I want to be a Nazi too.
48:14
Speaker 2: Daddy, Can I be a Nazi.
48:17
Speaker 1: Number twenty one? Some cultures have produced vital advances, others
48:21
Speaker 1: remain dysfunctional and regressive.
48:24
Speaker 2: I wonder which ones he means exactly.
48:27
Speaker 1: All cultures are now equal, criticism and value judgments are forbidden.
48:32
Speaker 1: Yet this new dogma glosses over the fact that certain
48:35
Speaker 1: cultures and indeed subcultures gay people have produced wonders. Others
48:42
Speaker 1: have proven middling and worse, regressive and harmful. Wah wah wah.
48:49
Speaker 2: And they mean you furries, not me, though I accept you, guys.
48:54
Speaker 1: This is an extra quote from the book. What began
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Speaker 1: as a noble search for more inclusive concept of national
49:00
Speaker 1: identity and belonging in a bid to render the concept
49:04
Speaker 1: of the West open to any entrance interested in advancing
49:08
Speaker 1: its ideals, over time expanded into a more far reaching
49:12
Speaker 1: rejection of collective identity itself, and that rejection of any
49:17
Speaker 1: broader political project or sense of the community to which
49:21
Speaker 1: one must belong in order to accomplish anything substantial is
49:26
Speaker 1: what now risks, leaving us rudderless and without direction.
49:30
Speaker 2: This is how you're right when you're tweaked a medafinilin
49:32
Speaker 2: adderall all day and fucking research chemicals, like you know,
49:36
Speaker 2: taking a ketamine to chill out in between vibe coding sessions.
49:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if he's the lenin of this pairing
49:44
Speaker 1: and the other guy is McCartney. And just like polishing
49:47
Speaker 1: off all the really sharp drug addled edges off this
49:51
Speaker 1: guy's writing.
49:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would like to see some more polishing.
49:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, but more editing, especially even for it takes a
49:59
Speaker 1: lot a book to be about two hundred pages, and
50:02
Speaker 1: you're like, this is way too long. Yeah, this is excessive.
50:06
Speaker 1: He goes on several tirades about this thing in the book,
50:12
Speaker 1: and it's the idea that, well, why can't we talk
50:14
Speaker 1: about some cultures being superior to others? And it's like herd, chef,
50:19
Speaker 1: I get what you're cooking up right now, you fucking
50:22
Speaker 1: Nazi piece of shit.
50:23
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anything that like that, Well, they're always trying to
50:26
Speaker 2: get they've gotta take baby steps, and they're always like, well,
50:30
Speaker 2: we can agree that some cultures are better than others, like,
50:33
Speaker 2: you know, we invented penicillin, and they still blah blah
50:35
Speaker 2: blah blah blah.
50:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, and finally, point number twenty two, we must resist
50:40
Speaker 1: the shallow temptation of a vacant and hollow pluralism.
50:46
Speaker 3: See, we must resist the shallow temptation of a vacant
50:50
Speaker 3: and hollow pluralism.
50:53
Speaker 1: We in America and more broadly the West, and for
50:56
Speaker 1: the past half century, resisted defining national culture in the
51:00
Speaker 1: name of inclusivity. But inclusion into what. And that's it.
51:06
Speaker 1: That's the manifesto. It's basically, AI should be the government
51:11
Speaker 1: and the police and the military, and we should talk
51:14
Speaker 1: about whether people of color are inferior. That's all.
51:18
Speaker 2: That's it.
51:19
Speaker 1: It's just tech bro stuff.
51:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't I'm trying to. I was trying to say,
51:23
Speaker 2: I hope some sort of blah blah blah and then
51:25
Speaker 2: the solution happens. But I couldn't even think of what
51:28
Speaker 2: that is.
51:29
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. There are no solutions in this
51:33
Speaker 1: other than why don't we run it through palant here
51:35
Speaker 1: and see what happens.
51:36
Speaker 2: That's it.
51:37
Speaker 1: Like, he's not proposing any actual solutions. He's just saying, Oh,
51:42
Speaker 1: we need to come up with something. We need to
51:43
Speaker 1: come up with an identity, and while we're deciding, we
51:48
Speaker 1: should figure out what cultures we want to allow to
51:51
Speaker 1: be part of that identity. Because some of them suck
51:54
Speaker 1: unlike us, who are the best.
51:55
Speaker 2: This can only mean that they're developing a facial detection
51:59
Speaker 2: tool where they can distinguish what race you are. Oh.
52:03
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah, So that's our episode. That is your volunteer
52:08
Speaker 1: white power manifesto in one brief podcast episode. We read
52:13
Speaker 1: it so you don't have to. Connor, thank you so
52:16
Speaker 1: much for doing the pod. As always, what the fuck
52:19
Speaker 1: do we have to plug before we get out of here?
52:21
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52:24
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52:41
Speaker 2: When fucking Elvis is a live story at a time,
52:46
Speaker 2: do what.
52:46
Speaker 1: Everybody and I think.
52:47
Speaker 2: That's it.
52:48
Speaker 1: Let's get the fuck out of here. Connor say goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, everybody.
52:51
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