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  Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to Inside the Data on Inside the Birds.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Mosher, and of course we have our data
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  Speaker 1: expert and analysts with us, Sam Finkel, and the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: are coming off another win. They beat the Lions at
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  Speaker 1: the Link. Very windy game, very interesting game, probably not
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  Speaker 1: a score sixteen to nine that a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: had on their bingo card, but a great display of
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  Speaker 1: efforts on defense. Sam offense, same old song. So we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about that and for our listeners and viewers to
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  Speaker 1: know the running joke going around and Sam at text
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  Speaker 1: to me, can we just do Inside the Data on
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  Speaker 1: defense this week? And I said, you're not the first
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  Speaker 1: person to have that joke, because when we did Inside
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  Speaker 1: the Tape with Greg Cosel, we were joking we should
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  Speaker 1: still do the show in two parts, just front end defense,
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  Speaker 1: back end defense, and then just ignore offense altogether. But uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's not been pretty for.
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  Speaker 2: The offense and we know that, yeah, we do, but
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk a little bit about maybe why. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we've we've done that pretty much all year.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I mean we've beaten the third down
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  Speaker 1: horse to a pulp and it's still remained. Now they
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  Speaker 1: were a little bit better, No, only slightly. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think they had like seven or eight three announce against
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  Speaker 1: the lines, but they had I think three in a
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  Speaker 1: row at one point.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll get into it.
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  Speaker 1: I love it all right. Let's start off like we
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  Speaker 1: always do and get right to the good old charts
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  Speaker 1: that we like to share with everybody that you make.
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  Speaker 1: And we usually start off with the basic data to
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  Speaker 1: remind everybody what happened in the game. So here we
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  Speaker 1: go with the Week ten by the numbers, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Eagles a couple more green. I did think without looking
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  Speaker 1: at the sam I kind of figured when I also
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  Speaker 1: saw the box scare after the game. But even just
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  Speaker 1: watching it, you felt like the Lions had more yards
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  Speaker 1: and a higher yard per play average because of the
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  Speaker 1: five or six chunk plays they had compared to the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles really not having any chunk plays.
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  Speaker 2: But it finally happened. The Eagles won in yards per rush.
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  Speaker 1: They did, they did apparently.
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  Speaker 2: Three point five, but it finally happened.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I don't know if either team is real
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  Speaker 1: proud of their overall number. Eagles at three point seven
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  Speaker 1: and the Lions at three point five just goes to
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  Speaker 1: show how difficult it was for both teams to run
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  Speaker 1: the ball, no doubt, no doubt. You know, we have
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  Speaker 1: an underrated stat here. Maybe we'll talk about this more
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  Speaker 1: on the next episode, because as uh, we'll let our
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  Speaker 1: listeners in and out because they played two games next week.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we felt like it wouldn't make sense to
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  Speaker 1: do an inside the data right after the uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: game against the Cowboys and then right before the game
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  Speaker 1: against the Bear, So we'll do one the following week
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  Speaker 1: that encapsulates both. But maybe at that point we'll take
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  Speaker 1: a look at penalty oartage on the season, because the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles have had a strange false starts and other some
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  Speaker 1: delayed games, just some weird penalties that they normally don't have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd be very interesting. I definitely can take a
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  Speaker 2: look at that. Not a problem at all.
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  Speaker 1: The full starts are really the ones that have sort
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  Speaker 1: of been mind modeling to me, Sam, just because it's
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  Speaker 1: such a veteran offensive line. My lot has had a few.
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  Speaker 1: It's just I don't know. Maybe I guess when you're
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  Speaker 1: struggling right which the old line has struggled to meet
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  Speaker 1: its expectation, it's still good, but maybe you start pressing
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  Speaker 1: and then trying to get a little extra jump before
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  Speaker 1: the snap.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it makes sense to me. One of
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  Speaker 2: their basic stat I'd love to just briefly say is this.
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  Speaker 2: I think this was their best average starting field position
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  Speaker 2: of the year, well since we started tracking it, which
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  Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think I did that the
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  Speaker 2: first two weeks, but after that, So this is the
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  Speaker 2: best since that period.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I also wonder if it's one of their best margins,
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  Speaker 1: meaning that they had their their average starting field position
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  Speaker 1: was thirty six point one Lions twenty eight point eight.
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  Speaker 1: It's a pretty big difference.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a lot of it was just because
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  Speaker 2: the Lions kept going for it on fourth down.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great point.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean that's a lot of where that came from.
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  Speaker 1: Sure. Uh and of course the Eagles did not turn
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  Speaker 1: the ball over rint, swash, repeat, you know. All right,
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  Speaker 1: here's the favorite favorite stat that we like to talk
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  Speaker 1: about with the offense, third down situational stats. Yeah. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so they may have a few er three announced, but
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  Speaker 1: they still weren't good on third down. But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: This is the first time they beat the opponent on
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  Speaker 2: third down.
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  Speaker 1: They did. Oh you know what, my eyes deceived me there.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that's at thirty three percent. You're right, it
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  Speaker 1: said twenty three percent. So that's so that's sort of
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  Speaker 1: like a hold my beer situation for the for Detroit
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  Speaker 1: to Philadelphia, I think so.
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  Speaker 2: And the fact that I think they were like zero
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  Speaker 2: for five on fourth down, So it's just they did
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  Speaker 2: really well on those important third and fourth downs against
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  Speaker 2: the opponent. They didn't do particularly great on their own opportunities, right,
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  Speaker 2: I think they were, oh for one, I think the
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  Speaker 2: only one I could think of was the failed touch push.
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  Speaker 1: I thought there were two failed, but there was a
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  Speaker 1: full start on one, wasn't there the average sing putting
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  Speaker 1: the arm over? So that actually probably doesn't count because
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  Speaker 1: then they wound up punting, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that would not count towards this data for sure.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the only on what I could think of, at
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  Speaker 2: least on the top of my head.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wait, no, hold on, so they were going to
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  Speaker 1: toush yeah, because that was a fourth down play, not
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  Speaker 1: a third downplay, right, all right, So their season average
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  Speaker 1: this year thirty three point nine percent, continues to be
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  Speaker 1: lower than last year, which was closer to forty two percent.
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  Speaker 1: There's opponent's average of this. Amazingly, the Lions going twenty
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  Speaker 1: three percent on third down made the Eagle season average
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  Speaker 1: against at forty point four, which means opponents are converting
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  Speaker 1: forty point four percent of their third downs against the Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: So that number probably drops significantly because of the Lions,
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  Speaker 1: and yet it's still at forty point four percent. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Sort of shows you that Egles have some work to
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  Speaker 1: do here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they certainly do. I think you said it perfectly,
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  Speaker 2: but I will say that because of how this game
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  Speaker 2: went and the you know, three thirteen, it started to
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  Speaker 2: normalize the distribution on the third and short, third and
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  Speaker 2: medium and third and long. Yeah, once we get to that,
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  Speaker 2: it's starting to look a little bit closer to you know,
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  Speaker 2: even true, which is what you kind of want to see, right,
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  Speaker 2: so we don't want to see it even but yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, as we look at the because the big thing was,
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  Speaker 1: I think the Eagles were in third and long more
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  Speaker 1: than third and short and third and medium combined, and
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  Speaker 1: now it's getting well, twice is more, and now it's
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  Speaker 1: not twice as more anymore, right, right, Yeah, So it's
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  Speaker 1: like fifty two snaps of third and short and third
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  Speaker 1: medium combined and seventy two of third and long. At
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  Speaker 1: one point it was like, you know, sixty and twenty
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  Speaker 1: eight or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: It was really not good. And you know what, they're
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  Speaker 2: still kind of continuing trend. They had more third and
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  Speaker 2: long plays than they did third and short and third
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  Speaker 2: and medium combined in this game too. Yeah, so, I
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  Speaker 2: mean they're still continuing the trend. When we go to
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  Speaker 2: see the visualization of it, they're at fifty six point
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  Speaker 2: one percent third and long as opposed to last year
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  Speaker 2: when they were forty six point six percent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, now fifty eight point one third and long right, Yep,
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  Speaker 1: that's a pretty big piece of the pot.
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  Speaker 2: It says, Yes, I must read it.
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  Speaker 1: So they're in third and short only thirteen points. I
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  Speaker 1: almost think that that's striking too, because the Leagles have
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  Speaker 1: been a four down offense for quite a while, and
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  Speaker 1: they've always been able to run specific plays on third
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  Speaker 1: down knowing they're going to go for on fourth down.
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  Speaker 1: But they've been in third and short only fourteen percent
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  Speaker 1: of the time this year compared to twenty six percent
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  Speaker 1: last year. That's a pretty big differential that I don't
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  Speaker 1: think we've talked about because third and medium is kind
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  Speaker 1: of around the same. It's that they're in third and
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  Speaker 1: long so much longer, which naturally means they're in third
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  Speaker 1: and short a lot more.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think less less, sorry, less for sure. But
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  Speaker 2: I think we kind of briefly alluded to this, I
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  Speaker 2: think last week where I think that their mindset's different
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  Speaker 2: to set it up for third down because they have
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  Speaker 2: fourth down. And I also think teams play them differently
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  Speaker 2: because they're trying to keep them from getting closer, you know,
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  Speaker 2: to even go for the fourth down. So I think
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  Speaker 2: that that factors in to some extent, maybe not explaining
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  Speaker 2: the entire variable, but it does explain some of it.
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  Speaker 1: I think what makes sense to me, obviously, team to
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  Speaker 1: have studied the Eagles all season and tried to figure
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  Speaker 1: out different ways to come at them. All right, let's
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  Speaker 1: go through some of your facts, your fun not so
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  Speaker 1: fun facts.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so, the Philadelphia Eagles have won consecutive games despite
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  Speaker 2: fewer than twenty points in each game, marking the first
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  Speaker 2: time that they have won back to back with fewer
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  Speaker 2: than twenty points since Week fourteen Week fifteen of two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and four. The fun part, though, this is also
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  Speaker 2: the first time the Eagles have allowed ten points or
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  Speaker 2: fewer in consecutive games since Week two, Week three of
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. Now, just reading that before we even
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  Speaker 2: get to the next part, do you have an idea
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  Speaker 2: who they played Week fourteen, Week fifteen of the two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and four season.
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  Speaker 1: Two thousand and four season, Week fourteen and fifteen, So
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  Speaker 1: this is the Super Bowl year, right, This is They've
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  Speaker 1: lost Terrell Owens for the year at this point, fourteen
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  Speaker 1: and it's only a sixteen game schedule at this point.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna guess that they basically didn't play because
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  Speaker 1: they had such a huge lead for I think in
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  Speaker 1: the conference and the division that they didn't play their starters.
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  Speaker 1: And I will say they played Washington and.
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  Speaker 2: Dallas, those two absolutely, right, that was year. I swear
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  Speaker 2: to you you're right. It was Washington first and then Dallas.
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  Speaker 1: And if memory starts me correctly, in two thousand and four,
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  Speaker 1: those teams were not good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, the scores were seventeen to fourteen
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  Speaker 2: and then Develove to seven.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So that's incredible that you've got both of those.
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  Speaker 1: I I that's it's a little strange, I admit I
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  Speaker 1: thought I might get one of those two right just
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  Speaker 1: by going in the division, but man nailed them both.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, do you want to try Week two to three,
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: So you said, this is the Eagles of the first
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  Speaker 1: time the Eagles have allowed ten or fewer points in
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  Speaker 1: consecutive games since Weeks two and three of two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and twenty two. All right, that's just a couple of
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  Speaker 1: years ago, right, it should be easier. It should it's
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  Speaker 1: a better pull than in two thousand and four. That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: So this is this is twenty five four three too.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like Kirk Cousins has to be in there
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  Speaker 1: somewhere because he was always playing the Eagles for three
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  Speaker 1: straight years. On Week three and maybe the Bucks. How
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  Speaker 1: about Vikings Bucks?
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  Speaker 2: You're one for two. It was Vikings a twenty four
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  Speaker 2: to seven game, and that was not It was not
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  Speaker 2: the Bucks, but Bucks have pretty consistently been week like
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  Speaker 2: four for the Eagles. Two. Yeah, it was the Commanders.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, okay, that makes sense. But oh that was the
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  Speaker 1: ninth Was that the ninth sack game against Carson Wentz? Yeah? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what what a pull?
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  Speaker 2: Nice job you definitely I put you on my trivia team.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I have I have a sickness
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  Speaker 1: sometimes with a little recalling, especially in non consequential games.
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  Speaker 2: Which to be there is a lot of Eagles history
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  Speaker 2: for a good deal. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So all right, so the Eagles offense. Let's what we
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  Speaker 1: have here on the red zone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is actually a really interesting fact. I
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  Speaker 2: got both of these from NFL Pro But the Eagles
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  Speaker 2: offense has made a trip to the red zone on
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  Speaker 2: just twenty three point of their drives this season, and
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  Speaker 2: that's the fourth lowest rate in the NFL, ahead of
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  Speaker 2: the Browns, Jets, and Titans, who together have combined five wins.
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  Speaker 2: Just just so we're super clear on that.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So I know we were giving the Eagles a
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  Speaker 1: lot of credit earlier in this season, and they still
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  Speaker 1: deserve it for having one of the highest red zone
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  Speaker 1: efficiency rates in the NFL. At one point there were
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  Speaker 1: one hundred. They were eleven for eleven, but we kept
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  Speaker 1: couching it to say, but you know, your number can
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  Speaker 1: be high when you have a lot fewer attempts, and
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  Speaker 1: they were always among the league's worst. I thought, sam
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  Speaker 1: By now that that was going to because that was
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  Speaker 1: about three week three to four or something. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: thought by now they'd be better, but they clearly have not.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know, so a lot of people want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about this offense and just say, hey, look
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  Speaker 1: this last two games they've been outdoors against really good,
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  Speaker 1: good teams. Like you have to excuse some of the
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  Speaker 1: offensive lethargy or at least cough it up to that.
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  Speaker 1: But this is some of the stuff we're doing on
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  Speaker 1: third down in red zone here, which is the game,
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  Speaker 1: like situational football is how you win games. Has been
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  Speaker 1: an issue since week one and not going away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you actually kind of stole my thunder a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. All right, No, you're you're good. But they
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  Speaker 2: still are leading the league when they're in the red
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  Speaker 2: zone right at seventy five percent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the problem.
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  Speaker 2: Is they're just not getting there, kind of like what
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  Speaker 2: you exactly said. And NFL pro attributes it to their
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  Speaker 2: inability to stay on schedule, which is what we said
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  Speaker 2: on staff. Outside of the red zone. They have a
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  Speaker 2: forty point three percent success rate on outside of the
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  Speaker 2: red zone plays, which is the third lowest in the NFL,
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  Speaker 2: ahead of only the Browns and Titans. And again, you
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  Speaker 2: really don't want to be compared to the Browns, Jets
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  Speaker 2: or Titans this year, especially this year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially offensively. I mean, yeah, hey, it's Jeff Mosher.
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  Speaker 1: about offense here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it finally happened. I feel like I keep saying that,
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  Speaker 2: but it did. The Eagles are finally a negative EPA
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  Speaker 2: team in terms of offense. They were positive until this game.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and then I guess what happened to bring it
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  Speaker 1: down was that they were a negative. And every every
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  Speaker 1: single category against the Lions EPA for play, per pass,
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  Speaker 1: per rush, the one for passes the worst, right minus
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  Speaker 1: point three four.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and and look if their passes now at zero
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  Speaker 2: point zero zero, it's the only one that isn't negative.
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  Speaker 2: But honestly, I feel the frustration. Everybody's frustrated. We're going
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  Speaker 2: red until it goes positive. It's gonna be read on
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  Speaker 2: this chart.
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  Speaker 1: But I agree.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, my chart definitely dictates the Eagles offenses. It's definitely.
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  Speaker 2: It makes a huge constant, it's consequential.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Of course, I totally agree, Sam, I want to give
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: them the Eagles is in the hands of your or
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: is in your.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Charts clearly clearly a big part of it.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Uh, they were. It's weird because when you see that
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: they were positive in the net time before pass right,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: mm hmm uh, that's usually a good sign.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, listen, you're being pressured for less of
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: the time on average that you're throwing, which is is good, right,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, I mean the time to
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: pressure was faster.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: So it's relative statistic, right, I mean good point Yeah, yeah,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: I mean you're you have like a negative you have
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: you have point zero six more of a second. But
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: what's what's that going to really do for you when
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: you're getting pressured? You know, zero point two to one faster.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and yet the pressure percentage was lower than
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: the normal season percentage.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: So I always find these stats somewhat hard to like parse,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I guess because there are some times where it seems
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: like a stat will tell you that the other team
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: got good pressure, and then when you look at the
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: pressure rate, it wasn't as good as maybe what the
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: season average against them is, and it's it makes my
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: head spin.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I get it. And listen sometimes the stats to see
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: your eyes, it's always better. It's always better when they
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: confirm it.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: There you go. Average separation for the Eagles in this
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: game was only two point three percent.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Well, just two or three yards.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I'm sure, yes, two for three yards would be a problem, right,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: that would be bad the yards per target, which is
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: well below the three point four. The Lions played a
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: lot of man coverage in this game, so I don't know.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: It strikes me as an interesting statistic that when a
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: team played a predominant number a lot of man with
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: backup corners and a backup safety, that the Eagles had
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: trouble getting separation. Yeah, it could be also a route
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: concept thing. I don't want to put that all on
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: the receivers, just sort of I don't know. Claring really
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: jumps out.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I agree with that sentiment for sure.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: And then the old one that jumps out here is
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: that their runs were stuffed at a twenty five percent rate,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: even higher than their season rate of twenty two percent.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Running continues to be a problem, Yeah.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: It really does. And honestly I went through run success
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: last year just to see because I was considering putting
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: run success red too. But they're actually not that far
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: off from their run success last year, are still, right?
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I think at least this one has an explanation.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, they ran, they faced stack boxes on your
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: chart at forty eight percent of the time, which is
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: much higher than their season average of thirty four. So clearly,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: you know, the Lions were putting a lot of guys
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: in the box and aiming to stop Barkley and they did.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Even the best run that Barkley had, that fourteen yarder,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: was a misdirect. It was a non blocking play. It
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: was everybody floats that, everybody blocks the right and pitch
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the ball.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: To the left. Yep, It's it's a weird year for
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: the offensive line for sure.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: All right, now, we've got I love that you came
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: up with these offensive tendencies by the Eagles. We wanted
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: to take a deeper dive into this, and I know
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: you went to it's Warren sharp site, right, the sharp Yeah,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: and he does a really good job of breaking down
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: what offensives do from personnel groupings and then also pre
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: snap motion, play action, air yards and things like that.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: So for people who can't see the chart, what's the
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: one thing that really jumped out to you here?
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a couple of things that jump out,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: but I mean motion rate is still among the lowest
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: in the league. Play action rate still among the lowest
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: in the league. You know what's interesting, though, is every
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: other statistic. I mean, they're in the top ten, if
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: not the top five, and that's air yards per attempt,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: which again, air yards per attempt you don't necessarily want
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: to be particularly high there because it means you're relying
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: on you know, deep shots typically, which is pretty like
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: you can say that or the Eagles offense this year
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: that that's kind of accurate. And then shotgun rate, I mean,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: seventy six point three percent, you're seventh in the league.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people want them to be
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: under center more. They've they've done it a little bit more,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: but really it's not you know. And then the no
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: huddle rate at sixteen point nine percent is fourth in
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: the league, and that one is not really a problem.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: They've done pretty well no huddle, yeah, but it's just
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: so jarring that they're, you know, bottom of the league
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: in motion and play action, yet top of the league
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: in the other three statistics.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, again, they're so screwy that, like, I
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: don't I would love to look at Seattle's because I
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: would imagine that their play action rate is very high
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and their air yards rate, I would imagine it is
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: very high because normally you get your shot plays off
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: of play action, right, the fact that the Eagles have
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: no almost no play action and still have number one
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: in air yards is mind boggling, and I agree with you.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: In fact, when I looked at the this graphic, I said,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: people are going to think that the first two categories
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: are the worst, being twenty ninth in motion and thirtieth
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: in play action. But we're going to tell them that
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: being number one in air yards theoretically might sound good,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: but really isn't because it again, we all we know
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the greater context is that the offense is not good
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: right now. And this just shows exactly what you said.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: You're a shot play offense. You have no complimentary run
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: games through intermediary game to you, you're just basically throwing
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: the ball down the field and hoping something happens. In
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: two or three times a game it does.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: That is literally the Eagle season this year. That I
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: could not have said it better. That is the Eagle
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: season this year.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, good stuff. You have Saquon Barkley's carry
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: chart here. This is the first time I think we've
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: we've done the route trees, but we haven't done a
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: carry chart.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't because you know, there really hasn't been
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: much to discuss. But all I'm gonna say is it's
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: the same song and dance. I mean, listen. Their outside
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: runs with Saquon this year have been better. Yes, anytime
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: they've been running like behind a tackle, outside the tackle,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: it's been better. That may change now that Lane Johnson
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: is injured. I don't know how comfortable they are running
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: behind Fred Johnson, but pretty consistently the tackles have been
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: the best spot. The outside runs have been better. Yeah,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: and I don't think anything has changed. That's the reason
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I put it up here.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: So yep. And the one that goes up the left
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: sideline that's green, I believe was that misdirection flip play
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: ninety flip that I was talking about. Yes, so if
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: you were to take that out just on, that's sort
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: of a guy's play. I don't call it a trick,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: but I mean again, there's no blocking involved.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: So misdirect yeahs directly.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Right, right, even though a misdirection sometimes has a guy
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: in front of you like that one was literally just yeah. Yes,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: By the way, eighty three yards was one to Sae
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Quon Barkley's better games this year. But I think what's
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: crazy to say that. Yeah, what jumps out is the
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: rushing yards over expectation, which is minus thirty seven. Does
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: that mean he left me on the bone?
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Typically, Yeah, that's that's I mean, that's It's not a
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: perfect statistic, it never is. But yeah, what it's saying
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: is like, given the same situation and average running back
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: would have thirty seven more yards.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Hard to believe, Okay, I think honestly, I I have
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: been I understand my potential bias because of my Penn
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: State connection actually knowing Saquon. I try to take it
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: out of it. I will acknowledge it, but I will
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: say that I don't think this can be attributed to Sequon.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I really don't.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Overall this year, Yeah, I mean I would guess. I
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: would love to go through each run with whoever charts
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: who's responsible to this, and ask them where they thought Saquon.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: There was one play we showed on inside the tape
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: with Greg and by the way, some of these numbers
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: can be skewed if there's a play, right that a
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: rushing play where Saquon doesn't hit the correct hole. But
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: if he did, he might have had a fifty yard
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: run because you could see nobody there. Doesn't that sort
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: of skew the average big time.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Where I'm sure it does. I don't know the exact
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: algorithm how that works. I know what the implications of
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: it are, but I don't know the exact inner workings
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: of the algorithm.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: To because there was one play where he got stopped
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: in the backfield and honestly, the line did not get
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: any push. But it was third and one and as
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: he's getting the handle for the mesh point, there is
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: a crease on the left side that he had the
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: ability to hit, but he kind of he kind of
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: did you know how sometimes he does that weird thing
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: with his legs where he he shuffles, but he stays
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: in the same I know exactly.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: What you're talking. Yeah, I almost wonder if his running
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: style is kind of reverted back to like I need
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: to make plays this like this it's hero or what
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: we thought?
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we thought that maybe he was tentative and reluctant.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Now again, the line was on the on the the
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: blocking side of it was getting pushed back. So as
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a running back, you see color where you see penetration
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: and you're going to do that. That happens a lot.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: But there was a hole on the left side to
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: run through that he just kind of I don't know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: maybe he was so shocked to see an opening that
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: he didn't know how to handle it. But yeah, but
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: that's but that's that's a play that where I thought
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: he could have gotten the one to two uh minus
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: thirty seven seems a little a little strange, but.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I agree, I'm listen. We can what the statistics are
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: and kind of what they mean, but sure as to
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: how those ones are actually calculated, it it's hidden a
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: little bit.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: So all right, Well, if you really want to understand
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: how bad the passing game is, and you've been listening
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: to this show for you know, better part of two years,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: two seasons now, there's one stat here on Jalen Hurts's
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: passing chart that should make your eyes fall out, right?
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Is it the CPOE?
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, this is the This is the number one quarterback
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: in CPOE for like two years running up until recently now,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and by a.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Pretty good signature stat Actually, yes, yes, you know he
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: makes the hard throws, but in this game he just
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: wasn't and honestly, I think this statistic can somewhat be
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: attributed to the windy conditions, agree to some to some extent,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Does that alleviate him from all blame. No, I don't
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: think it was his best game, but I think it's
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: also understandable because of the conditions of the field and
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: the game flow. I mean, they did throw the ball
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: particularly often early, which is not typically what they've done
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: this year. So I don't know. I think those are factors.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I don't want to make excuses because we haven't seen
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: the best of Jalen Hurts and he isn't even performing
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: in the statistics that he usually does, so and I
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: think that's just, you know, emblematic of this team.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and I mean, I guess the bigger point
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: is the wind has the most or greatest impact on
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: throws that are going to be in the air for
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: a long time, which are his signature throws. The fact
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: that the wind, let's say it did impact, I think
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: it did, okay, but it also goes to show you
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: that there's that lacking of the intermediary and short game
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: that we're talking about, where the wind would have less
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: of an impact. I mean, you can throw the ball
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: and the wind is gusty. It doesn't blow at fifty
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: miles per hour all the time. It just at certain
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: times it really picks up. But if you have a
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: screen game, if you have a short game, if you
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: have an pop pass RPO game, and you're setting up
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: those longer shots, ay, those are easier passes, so you're
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: theoretically improving your completion percentage and be it allows to
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: move the change without being so reliant on that. So,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're right that the wind. We
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: can attribute that to the wind, but we can also
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: attribute the overall to the fact that this offense is
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: a shot play or nothing offense.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: There's no complimentary offense at all. I mean, that's that's
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: honestly the biggest takeaway and theme that we should take
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: from this particular episode on the offense.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Right by the way, if I'm not mistaken, this is
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: the first time all year he's had a negative CPOE.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I think you're right about that.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking now actually against the Packers again, elements
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: it was plus one point two, which is good that
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: it's positive, but that's like wayblow his typical app season average.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, Well, yeah.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I mean it also helps when you have aj Brown
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: and Devanta Smith's, particularly Devanta Smith that can just make
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: any catch that you put anywhere near him.
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  Speaker 1: talking about the defense and the by the number of stats.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: These are the advanced stats. And look at that all green.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: All green. There's nothing to put red. To be honest
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: with you, I mean, the defense has been playing phenomenally.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: You know, the Jalen Phillips edition cannot be honestly, even
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: when I talk about it, it's still I'm under selling it.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: It has been. It's changed the inflection of this team
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: of this defense, it really has.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I agree, and I wrote this on Philly Voice on
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Wednesday Thursday. I believe that there's another addition to the
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: defense that has been talked about, but not maybe an
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: not enough as maybe this is equally as important as
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips, and that has been Nikobe Dean and the
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: way they've used him since he's come back. He has
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: been used in the blitz in the SIM pressure, and
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: his pass rush numbers are fantastic. Over the last two weeks.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: He is blowing up running backs like David Montgomery and
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs. He's getting past guards on SIM pressures who
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: are just a little bit late but still making contact.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, his pass rush sam has been a really
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: big part of why VIC has stopped blitzing almost like
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: by fifty percent the last two weeks. He's been among
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the least blitzing defensive coordinators in the league.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, take a look, it's right there. They're twenty
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: one percent on the season, only twelve point eight against this,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: which is definitely a talking point. I was hoping we'd
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: get to, so I'm glad he brought it up. What's
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: interesting is both Dean and Phillips will be free agents
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: after the season. It is it'll be interesting to see
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: what happens there.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and on the EPA's I think it's worth noting
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: that they're not just green because they're better. They're overwhelmingly
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: better than the season average. I mean, when you talk
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: about EPA per play season average being minus point one two,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: which is a good thing, as you always say, for defense,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: you want to be in the minus minus, looks like.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: They're top like ten in the league in EPA per
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: play by the way, for defense.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Eleven or for total for total, wow, so week eleven
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: they might be number one.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I would assume they would be number one. Having almost
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: like negative point five is ridiculous, like that is highly
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: elite defense.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just compare that to the point seven,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: which is a good number EPA per rush. But then
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: to go to point oh five to three is I'm sorry,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: point five three. So we went from point zero seven,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: which is like point one to point five. That's all.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: That's a huge five times better, yes, five times better,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: thank you. I'm struggling to figure that on out. Good
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: stuff there.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: And another thing I just want to talk about before
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: we move on from it is despite the blitz percentage
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: going down, the pressure percentage actually was up on the season,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: and the sack percentage was pretty much the same.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: But right, yeah, but that's good. But that pressure percentage
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: went up from thirty six percent on average to forty
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: one percent. I think for pressure that's a really big jump.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: That is a really big jump for sure. Yeah, when
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: you're blitzing less.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: And that's the whole point. That is. That is Vic
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Fangio's mantra in a nutshell. It is It makes us
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: think of the Super Bowl when they crushed the Kansas
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: City offense without blitzing one single time. It allows Vic
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: to operate from a too high safety structure a lot
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: and then change the picture on the back end because
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: all he's doing is letting his front floor get the
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: job done and he can do things on the back end.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: And clearly Goff was hurried. I mean sure, I'm sure
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the wind impacted him too, but he made a lot
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: of throws where his back foot was not not planted
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: quickly and firm.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he just didn't have time. I mean
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: the time to pressure was two point four to one
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: mm hmm seconds, and I believe for hurts it was
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: like two point six. So and that does make a
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: big difference.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Sure, let's see time to pressure to boys six Yeah,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: so yeah, good call. Oh look at that. I love it. It's
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: like I, I honestly didn't see this before. You know,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: we we do this. So that was awesome, good segue.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. I could have given it to
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: so many people this week. You might as well give
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: it to the guy you know who's the architect of
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: the defense, the play color of the defense. Yes, let's
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: just let's give it to Vic Fangio.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's split it with him and Jordan Davis for
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: all those batted balls at scrimmage.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: So it was either gonna be Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Jalen Phillips.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: It could have been Kobe Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: We don't do a Star of the statute for the
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: offense anymore because they haven't earned it. There's no no what. Honestly,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: it could have been Jordan Mailatta. He went against hote
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Uches and I don't think he allowed a single pressure.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: He went against McNeil two HM and I think he
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: he had like fifteen matchups against them and did not
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: allow a single pressure. So that could have been him.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Until the offense starts performing, we're just gonna ignore that part.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: So I like it. So there were so many good
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: players on defense, you'd give it to the guy who
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: put them all in position to succeed, mister Phillies Vic Fangio,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: there you go. And to remind everybody that Lions. Give
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: us the stats on this Lion's offense and they just
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: shut down. Yeah.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: So they were averaging twenty nine point two points per game,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: which is fifth in the league, three hundred and sixty
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: six point nine yards per game, which is also fifth
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: in the league, three point five touchdowns per game, third
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: in the league, plus zero point zero five epa per play,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: which is eighth, and thirty five point five percent pressure
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: which is twenty first.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: So and they held that team to nine points three
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen yards. I think the biggest thing is
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: the minus point four point minus point four to nine
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: epa per play. That is that's it's hard when you
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: only when you're that bad uh per on a play
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: to play basis, it's gonna be hard to score and
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: the Lions and you don't score, you don't win. Yeah,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: good stuff. We already talked about the third and fourth
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: down three of eight three of eighteen. It's almost I
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: don't think I've ever seen a game, by the way,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: where a team was over five on fourth down.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, listen, the fact they kept going for
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: it is very Dan Campbell. But honestly, once you like
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: stopped getting the third one, I kind of kind of
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: know that how the game's going. I feel like, you
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: don't you go back away from that decision a little bit,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: especially like the longer fourth downs they went for. I
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, this is so.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: There was one player on the defensive front, Sam who
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I thought kind of flew under the radar because of
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: the games that Jalen Phillips had, Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter. Uh,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: do you know who I'm referring to.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I would assume as Jayal's hunt.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he played rewatching it the next day.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: It just didn't jump out to me as much live.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: But man, he had a really good game.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: He did. And honestly, I I even didn't say him
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: when I was talking about who could be the start
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: as actually he absolutely could be. I mean, thirty percent
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: win rate is elite win rate, yep, twenty five percent
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: pressure is pretty pretty dang good for sure. I wish
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: he finished with a sack, but you know it happens.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: So by the way, when you see thirty percent or
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: higher as an elite or twenty percent or higher is elite. Yes,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: win rate. Do you know what Nikobe Deane's win rate
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: is over the last two weeks?
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: H No, But I can figure it out for you.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I can tell you. I already know you have it.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: It's now let me let me be fair. He doesn't
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: rush the passer nearly as much. I think it's on
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: nine or ten pass rushes. But nonetheless, even if that regressed.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: A little bit, it would and it would.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, But again he get it's up on Philly Voice.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: You can see it. I mean he's winning, like legitimately winning.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: He's bowling over David Montgomery on a blif to sack
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Jared Goff. He is basically tossing aside Josh Jacobs on
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: a sim and getting to the quarterback. So he's it's
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: there's nothing. The only thing flokish about it is that
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: the number, it's not as many pass rushers as Haunt
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: or Phillips. But I mean he's winning in his opportunities.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, well said. And just want to note that
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Brandon Graham, who had three pass rush attempts, had two
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: pressures on those three.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look at him, even despite a kind of a well,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I guess for an old man, one point eight isn't
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: such a bad get off?
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure. I mean, listen, he knows how
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: to win. Still, obviously you can't scale that two for
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: three out. It will not be at sixty six percent
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: pressure rate when he's on the field. But it's just
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: it's nice to see as a little bit of juice left.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I think there's something encouraging about Nolan
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Smith having a point nine to nine get off, which
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: would be the second best behind Jylex Hunt of the
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: four rushers, even though he didn't He'll only played thirteen
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: snaps and they didn't, you know, really generate too much.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: He's on the pitch count Vic Fangio said it. But
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: at least you're getting the athleticism that he's supposed to have.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: And I would imagine he's healthy and the more he
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: gets into the rotation, the better he'll do.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that for sure.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Awesome, All right, now, interior defensive line, man, there's some
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: good numbers here there.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Totally are at what jumps out to you, in particular.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: A Jomo and Davis having a pro what does an
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: elite win rate for you have it here right for
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: about fifteen percent. The fact that those guys are fourteen
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: percent and those are a Jomo okay, But like Davis,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: it's showing that he's his pass rush is coming along,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: even though he had a very slow get off. But
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I wonder sometimes is the get off only on pass
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: rushes him.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I don't think so, because it is beating the blocker
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: within two point five seconds of the snap, So I
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: do think it would account for everything.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Sometimes in these guys, they don't full go full throttle.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: In fact, I think in this game, you saw them
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: intentionally holding up and then batting the pass at scrimmage
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: because of what they saw on tape. So that might
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: impact your get off if you're not if you're intentionally
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: holding up a little bit and then you know, trying
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: to bat the past the last second.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Right, I think you're absolutely right, And you'll see a
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: case where I don't agree with NFL pro stats as
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: we go to the next category, you'll.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: See, yeah, really quickly though Jille and Carter has a
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: three hundred pound interior defensive lineman, having a get off
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: at a round an edge rusher at one point seven
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: is pretty good too.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, they've played him on the edge a
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: little bit, do I have been. I mean that's part
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: of it. I mean, angles are important, and it's a
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: little bit easier in theory. I mean, listen, I wouldn't
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: be able to do it. I don't think you'd be
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: no offense. I don't think you'd be able to do
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: it either, But theoretically it's easier on the edge for
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: a couple of reasons. But yeah, right, all.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Right, thanks to NFL pro there for those that that
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: all right, you want to talk about coverage here, yes,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: go ahead.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: So these are some stats I found about Quinnon Mitchell.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: He was targeted six times and allowed zero receptions. It's
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: tied for the most targets without allowing a reception in
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: a team over the last two seasons. I'll let that
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: one breathe for a second before.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: The most targets without allowing a reception over the last
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: two seasons and six times no reception. Wow, that's pretty impressive.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's very impressive. And I mean it's
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: the third game this season where Mitchell did not allow
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: a reception.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: My gosh, I mean, I think he's gonna make at
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: least pro Bowl. I think he's making a really good
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: case for All Pro, especially the way they're using him now,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: the shadow receivers and things like that.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: M hm.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I mean I think it's fair, right, I mean, at
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: least Pro Bowl, he's got to be at least Pro Bowl.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know he's playing all Pro level, it really is,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: That's what I said, at least I know. I'm just saying,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: I just don't know. I mean, listen, it might be
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: second team, but I just don't see. There are not
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: three other corners that are better than him, So.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: You're probably right about that. Awesome stuff.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: And then on thirty nine coverage snaps tied for the
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: third most coverage snaps by an outside corner without allowing
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: a reception. He's catch rate over expectation minus forty six
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: point nine percent, which is incredible, by the way. And
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: then his cover GPA was also incredible at minus eight
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: point three and he's allowed forty one point nine percent
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: completion percentage and coverage this season. That's the lowest by
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: any player with fifty plus targets in the season since
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, now don't ask me who the player
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: was in twenty eighteen because I won't get it seven
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: years ago. I don't. We don't even know if it's
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: you don't have the name, do you.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: If I had to guess, it's it's either Josh Norman
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: or Richard Sherman.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: But that's a good one, Josh.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know which one it would be for sureman,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: I mean I could look right now, but.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: That's the heck of a guess. That's probably gonna be
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: better than anything two thousand and eight. No, I don't
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: know if twenty eighteen, because the Legion of Boom was
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: best in twenty thirteen twenty fourteen, right.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Then it's probably.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: And then Norman had his best year is fifteen sixties,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: so this.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Is eighteen yees, so it was passed that year. Yeah,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I think you're right.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I wonder if it would be like Steph Gilmour, New
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: England Patriots.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, that could be a good one.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Now, we gotta know. I'm trying to think of a
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: real elite corner. Maybe a year that like tra Davious
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: White stayed healthy. That might have been the one year
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: certain's not in the league yet. I don't know. I
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: think Gilmour would be my best guess on.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: That it's just loading very slowly right now, building anticipation
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: for us truly.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm just trying to go through some other
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: anybody on the Viking. Let's see. So the Eagles one
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen. Who won the Super Bowl twenty eighteen?
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: That was the that was the who went? That was
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: the year? The year? It was?
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: It was the Patriots, wasn't it? Right?
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah? But it was who did they play? Now? I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: can't remember who they played? So the Eagles lost to
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: the The Eagles beat the Bears in the first round. They
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: lost to the Saints. The Saints lost to the to
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: the Vikings on the Minneapolis Miracle, right, but the Vikings
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: didn't make the Super Bowl. Hold on, who did the
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Patriots play? Wasn't the Falcons? Was it?
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: No?
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Because those years before the Yeah, man, I'm drawing like
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: this crazy blank that I can't even but there would
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: be no. But I think Gilmore was on the Patriots
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: that year. That's why it jumped out to me.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: So it is him. It so that says I think
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: it is Gilmore. I think I think it is because
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Gilmore had forty five point two.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Well, Aaron Donald was defensive player of the year the
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: year and this must have been in the year that
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: the Rams. It must have been in the Patriots Rams. Right, Yeah,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I think that's right.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: I wasn't one hundred percent sure of that, but that
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: sounds right.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, that was the really ugly thirteen to three game,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: now I remember. Okay. Yeah, well, either way, it was
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: fun trying to figure that out. If it jumped on here, I.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Think it's it may be Marlon Humphrey.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Marlon Humphrey of the Ravens.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's his outside No, it doesn't, they outside corner.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Hold on, I.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Guess it doesn't have to. Oh yeah, I could. Okay,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: that's actually a pretty good one too, although he didn't
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: even make All Pro or Pro Bowl that year. His
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: first All Pro was twenty nineteen.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: No, the problem is just everybody is a lower completion percentage.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm just trying to figure it out. I'm
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: trying to match the target. I'm not sure who it is.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, no worry, my.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Guess was off, though, I'll admit I'll get cooked into
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: comments for it. It's okay.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Well, the last thing I wanted to point out your
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: your note on Cooper to.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Gene Yes, he led the Eagles with a minus eleven
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: point two cover GPA. Zach Baum was next it minus
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: six point eight cover GPA, which is really impressive. And
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: then every player on the Eagles allowed a negative catch
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: rate over expectation, which is kind of crazy, except for
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Jordan Davis. They gave They gave the two Gibbs receptions,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: my nearest defender. I watched both plays because I really
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: wanted to talk intelligently about it, just about what it
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: was talking about. Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: a fair.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think so either.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's general to give an interior defensive
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: lineman credit.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I was just about to say that I don't think
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: it's fair to almost anybody one on one Gibbs in
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: an oprafield.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: That was that too, Yeah, but I wanted to see
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: why they attribute it to it, because the cool thing
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: about NFL Pro what it does is it'll have a
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: yellow highlight on some of the things and you can
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: click on it and see what exactly the film says
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: on the stat which is I think is one of
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: the coolest integrations of any they have because it explains
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: it right. I mean, the best thing that we always
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: look for especially here is transparency, and NFL pro has
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: one of the most transparent models out there, so.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Absolutely life changing for me, certainly in research data and
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: then even reporting so awesome stuff. Sam really look forward
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: to our next one. It'll be a little bit because
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get two games in between. Of course, Sunday's
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: game against the Cowboys, which is huge because it's the Cowboys,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: and then the historic first time for the Eagles I believe,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Black Friday game against the Chicago Bears, who themselves are
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: a very interesting team and quietly place in the mix,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: not just first place, but with seven wins they're in
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: the mix for the number one seed as well. Sure
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: it's hard to believe or say, but it's there.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: So you saw the alliance right on Twitter, the alliance
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: where you from the with us. There was like an
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: underground alliance between Eagles fans and Bears fans. Because the
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Bears beat every NFC East team and the Eagles beat
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: and every NFC North team. There was this like on Twitter,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: there was this community of Eagles and Bears fans that
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: came together and they dred percent. Just it's so fun
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: and to see the culmination of it. And one of
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: the things that I saw in the comments of it,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: they were like, we hope the Eagles and Bears his
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: knee at every single down and just tie. It was
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: such a cool synergy between fan bases that you don't
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: see a lot, and honestly, it really wasn't reported much,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: but I saw it everywhere on Twitter.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: That's so funny. I'm gonna have to go go down
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: a rabbit hole and find that. I'm happy for Bears fans.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: They are listen. That's a great football city and it's
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: not a city that's seen a lot of great football
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: for a long time. So I'm happy for them, and
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a really fun matchup as
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  Speaker 1: a team that's a little bit like the Eagles, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, they've built up their offensive line. They run
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  Speaker 1: the ball extremely well. I think they lead the NFL
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  Speaker 1: and explosive runs. Their defenses come along. You know, they're
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  Speaker 1: working on the quarterback a little bit. That's where they're
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  Speaker 1: a little bit different, whereas Jalen Hurts the Super Bowl MVP.
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  Speaker 1: But offensive conceptually, they do a lot of interesting things.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm actually I don't think I've been this excited
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  Speaker 1: for an Eagles Bears game since twenty eighteen playoff game
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  Speaker 1: that way, and not even that game. You know, there
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  Speaker 1: was something about like Mitchell Trubisky a quarterback there that
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that that was not a fun Bears team.
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  Speaker 1: That was a great defensive Bears team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really was. I mean, listen, Eagles Bear is
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  Speaker 2: always a good time. I mean, you have some historic
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  Speaker 2: matchups for sure, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Sam, thanks again. We'll catch up with the
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  Speaker 1: after those two games, and we will do this all
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  Speaker 1: once again for Sam Finkel, Im, Jeff Mosher, we all
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  Speaker 1: thank you for watching inside the Data on Inside the
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