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Killers Amongst Us: David Temple beloved coach, murderer? (part 4) · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here Welcome back to Killers amongst Us,
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Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Media and Crime Online. Eight months
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Speaker 1: pregnant Belinda Temple found dead in her own bedroom closet,
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Speaker 1: the door to the home open. Who murdered Belinda Temple?
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Speaker 1: Could it have been a robbery gone wrong? The suspect
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Speaker 1: list is narrowed down to a teen student. Police say
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Speaker 1: things don't add up. It was one of those few
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Speaker 1: cases weever, we have a completely innocent victim. She had
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Speaker 1: lived a lover's live style. She was a teacher, she
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Speaker 1: was a mother, she was a wife. She didn't have
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Speaker 1: any bad habits and to find her dead in her
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Speaker 1: house was very heartbreaking. Where to from here? I Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace and this is Killers amongst Us. Belunda's parents got
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Speaker 1: that phone call that mothers and fathers have nightmares about.
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Speaker 1: I dropped them my knees. He lost my daughter, who
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Speaker 1: was the granddaughter that I'm sure it was a beautiful
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Speaker 1: or mamma, And I've never got to see. This was
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Speaker 1: no ordinary crime scene. It affected even veteran homicide detective
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Speaker 1: Tracy Shipley. In the following days, Detective Shipley began canvassing
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Speaker 1: the neighbors pretty much got the same story from everybody.
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Speaker 1: It was a typical house. They would see them out
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Speaker 1: doing yard work. They looked very happy. But the police
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Speaker 1: would soon learn that one young neighbor lied about his
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Speaker 1: whereabouts that day and he had had a run in
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Speaker 1: with Belinda Temple before the mystery surrounding the murder of
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Speaker 1: a beautiful young mom and mom to be. Belinda Temple,
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Speaker 1: the mother of a little boy, Evan, pregnant with another child,
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Speaker 1: found in the closet to her bedroom, the bedroom she
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Speaker 1: shared with her husband, football star turned coach, David Temple.
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Speaker 1: With Me, Catherine Casey, author of Shattered on Amazon that
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Speaker 1: dissects this case. Brandy Kioncini, the owner of The Katy Times,
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Speaker 1: forensic expert, Professor Jacksonville State University and author of Blood
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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan also with me,
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Speaker 1: Detective Stephen Lampley at Stephen Lampley dot com and author
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Speaker 1: of Outside Your Door on Amazon. To Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: forensic expert, listening to what they're saying, I'm still hung
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Speaker 1: up on the position of her body, you know what
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Speaker 1: hold on Joe Scott to Catherine Casey, author of Shattered You,
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Speaker 1: described brain matter on the closet wall behind some slacks.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't sound right to me, because Catherine Casey, it
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Speaker 1: reminds me of a time when I prosecuted a case.
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Speaker 1: It was first deemed a homicide. A woman was found
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Speaker 1: apparently dead of suicide, naked in her bed. She was
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Speaker 1: lying down when she shot herself in the head, but
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Speaker 1: there was blood spatter under the pillow that she was
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Speaker 1: lying on. Blood spatter, Now, obviously that's impossible, so I
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Speaker 1: knew immediately that was no suicide. I find that very
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Speaker 1: difficult to take in that someone took the time to
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Speaker 1: cover up brain matter on the wall with slacks. Well,
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Speaker 1: certainly a robber or burglar wouldn't have taken time to
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Speaker 1: do that. It was a very odd thing. It really
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Speaker 1: stuck out when they were looking at the closet and
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Speaker 1: documenting the murder scene. To you, Joseph Scott Morgan explained
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Speaker 1: to me the significance of the glass, the broken glass
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Speaker 1: that was found Nancy. This glass, it was found in
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Speaker 1: this single entrance way is what has stumped the police
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Speaker 1: for all these years, and what conclusion they drew is
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Speaker 1: that the door was not closed when the individual made entrance,
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Speaker 1: that the door was actually opened because the glass was
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Speaker 1: cast out into the room, as opposed to let's just say,
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Speaker 1: people thinking about a glass door at their home or
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Speaker 1: a pane of glass, if the door is closed, you're
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Speaker 1: trying to gain access, You're going to punch a hole
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Speaker 1: through that glass, for instance, to gain entry, setting sick
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Speaker 1: your hand in to open the knob. In this case,
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Speaker 1: the glasses literally cast across the floor some distance away
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Speaker 1: from the door, indicating that the door had been opened
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Speaker 1: with great force. And you mentioned earlier that every single
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Speaker 1: pain in that door was yeah, and that was significant, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: This was a nine pain door. If if people at
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Speaker 1: home will just imagine that half of the door is
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Speaker 1: just kind of solid upper portion of the doors comprised
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Speaker 1: of non individual panes of glass. People have seen these before,
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Speaker 1: They're not uncommon. The one glass that's kind of knocked
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Speaker 1: out so that you can gain access is almost immedia.
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Speaker 1: It's on the lower level of the of the door
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Speaker 1: of the panes of glass. But every other pain, in
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Speaker 1: fact wash was shattered but was still in place. This
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Speaker 1: gives us an indication that there was a tremendous vibration
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Speaker 1: that traveled through that door that you know would give
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Speaker 1: you would would coincide with a tremendous amount of force
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Speaker 1: that's used to throw this door open and shatter that
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Speaker 1: glass in place. Well, I don't understand why all that
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Speaker 1: force was needed if the door was open, Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, I know that.
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Speaker 1: That was one of the curious things for me too, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: It was almost as if this was done in anger
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Speaker 1: and hate to hate to superimpose an idea like this,
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Speaker 1: But that's the only conclusion I can come from open
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Speaker 1: or unlocked. I guess it was. It was, Oh, well,
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Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense. Why would she come home and
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Speaker 1: leave the door wide open? I just none of that
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Speaker 1: is fitting together for me. Jesseh. Scott Morgan, forensic expert.
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Speaker 1: What else catches your attention regarding the murder scene? Oh,
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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Nancy, this this idea of the covering
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Speaker 1: of this tissue on the wall and her death was
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Speaker 1: it was determined that she was killed as a result
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Speaker 1: of a blast fem a shotgun, and this is a
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Speaker 1: twelve gay shotgun. It's a very robust round and the
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Speaker 1: ammunition that was being used was actually buckshot. If people
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Speaker 1: at home will think about a ball bearing something that's
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Speaker 1: a little bit smaller than say a marble that you
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Speaker 1: played with when you were a kid, that's what was
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Speaker 1: traveling out at the end of this muzzle. But there
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Speaker 1: was no shotgun that was recovered. And shotguns, unlike pistols
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Speaker 1: and rifles, are kind of hard ballistically to tie down
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Speaker 1: because there are no striations on the bullets on the projectiles.
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Speaker 1: It's a smooth bore weapon. The tissue on the wall
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Speaker 1: being covered Nancy, I've worked a lot of cases where
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Speaker 1: people particularly would go into closets with shotguns because shotguns
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Speaker 1: are very common to find in homes. People have these
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Speaker 1: as defense weapons, and it makes a horrible mess, which
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Speaker 1: it did in this case. What's really kind of grabbing
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Speaker 1: me about this our previous speaker had stated that a
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Speaker 1: burglar would not have taken time to cover this area up.
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Speaker 1: They're just in and out trying to get away. In
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Speaker 1: this particular case, these items of evidence as tissue was
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Speaker 1: covered up, and someone would have had to have felt
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Speaker 1: comfortable comfortable in doing this. There would have been a
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Speaker 1: lot of brain, a lot of blood, and also, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: a lot of skull that was left there in this little,
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Speaker 1: tiny sequestered area, which was a closet in which she
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Speaker 1: was found with me Catherine Casey, author of Shattered Catherine,
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Speaker 1: what strikes you about the crime scene, Well, that it
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Speaker 1: was so brutal, there was so much anger. This was
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Speaker 1: a contact wound. They determined later that Belinda was actually
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Speaker 1: on her knees, facing away from the door, and the
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Speaker 1: killer put the shotgun right up to the back of
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Speaker 1: her head. I've seen a lot of crime scene photos
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Speaker 1: over the years. I've been a true crime writer for
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Speaker 1: thirty years, but there are some you never forget, and
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Speaker 1: I will never forget the pictures of Belinda in that closet.
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Speaker 1: How do they deduce that she was on her knees
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Speaker 1: looking away from the closet door, toward the wall, from
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Speaker 1: where the direction of the bullet through traveled through the
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Speaker 1: skull or the traveled through the skull, and the where
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Speaker 1: the brain matter was found that it was low. Explain that,
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, what she was speaking of is actually
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Speaker 1: the trajectory of the wound and the placement of the weapon.
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Speaker 1: So if she's in a kneeling position, the weapon would
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Speaker 1: have been from higher to lower the muzzle would have
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Speaker 1: been in the blast, and that means that this individual
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Speaker 1: is in a dominant position, had more than likely forced
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Speaker 1: her into the disposition when the weapon was discharged. One
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Speaker 1: interesting fact about this is that when they went back later,
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Speaker 1: my understanding is is that they actually found gunshot residue
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Speaker 1: on some of the clothing in there, which gives you
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Speaker 1: an indication that the individual was in proximity to the
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Speaker 1: rack of clothing. So this distributed this powder or unburned
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Speaker 1: powder onto the surfaces of the clothing and kind of
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Speaker 1: gives you an idea of this claustrophobic environment which she
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Speaker 1: spent the last moments of her life with. Me is
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Speaker 1: the owner of the Katie Times, Brandy Kioncini. Brandy, the
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Speaker 1: crime scene to me is fascinating because that's one thing
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Speaker 1: that typically doesn't lie. It can be misinterpreted, but it
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Speaker 1: doesn't lie, and that's forensic evidence. What do you make,
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Speaker 1: Brandy keion Cini, of what you know of the crime scene, Well,
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Speaker 1: it's it's very obvious that this woman, you know, was
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Speaker 1: you know, there were some sort of attempt to kind
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Speaker 1: of hide her once the shotgun blast was done. They
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Speaker 1: said the flacks were pulled back over her head, so
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Speaker 1: it was kind of covered. And experts say that intimates
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Speaker 1: that there is a knowledge of that victim with the perpetrator. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but when you find a victim who's been covered up, Now,
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Speaker 1: I have seen random killings where the victim will be
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Speaker 1: covered with leaves or grass, But in this case, what
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Speaker 1: does she mean by that? Catherine Casey, author of Shattered,
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Speaker 1: that Belinda was covered up, but the flacks were pulled back,
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Speaker 1: They've been pushed back on the railing, and they were
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Speaker 1: pulled back to cover the brain matter above be Linda's head,
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Speaker 1: and it indicated that someone was ashamed, that there was
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Speaker 1: some type of an emotional reaction to seeing what he
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Speaker 1: had done to Steve Lampley, detective, author of Outside Your Door.
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Speaker 1: You can find him at Stephen Lampley dot com. Steve,
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Speaker 1: the fact that her husband found her, do you attach
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Speaker 1: any significance to that, planty as possible? You know, you
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Speaker 1: got you got many scenarios. Let's say somebody did actually
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Speaker 1: break in and then then murder her and left, which
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Speaker 1: I've just don't believe based on the other evidence, it
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Speaker 1: looks like the crime scenes actually been staged. I don't
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Speaker 1: believe that, but let's say somebody did that. Of course,
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Speaker 1: in every case, the husband, the spouse, the lover, or
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend, the girlfriend, the ex is immediately questioned because
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Speaker 1: statistically they could be responsible. Listen to this, crime scene
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Speaker 1: investigator Dean Holkey was surprised that a burglar would be
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Speaker 1: so violent. How many burglars do you think walk around
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Speaker 1: at late in the afternoon caring a shotgun and broad
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Speaker 1: Day live. Holkey followed the standard procedure and asked to
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Speaker 1: test David's hands for gunshot residue. Did you tell him
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Speaker 1: what this was? I explained it to him what it
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Speaker 1: was for. Did he resist it all? No, not at all.
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Speaker 1: David agreed to go with the police and give a statement.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember what was going through your mind at
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Speaker 1: that point? Totally non shock. Sometimes it feels like an
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Speaker 1: eternity him. Sometimes it feels like it went very quick.
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Speaker 1: I can remember having trouble just walking to the cruiser.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing our friends at forty eight hours. That
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Speaker 1: was Richard Schlessinger and David Temple just got Morgan. What
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Speaker 1: is the point that they are aking? How often do
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Speaker 1: you see a burglar walking around a neighborhood with a shotgun. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, Nancy, a shotgun is something that's going to
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Speaker 1: draw attention, unlike what some of us refer to as
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Speaker 1: a pocket pistol or a belly gun, something you can
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Speaker 1: keep in your waistband, like a small three eighty caliber
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Speaker 1: pistol or something like this. Listen, if you're walking down
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Speaker 1: the street and you're going to go perpetrate a home
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Speaker 1: invasion or some type of property crime, you're going to
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Speaker 1: draw attention to yourself. You're walking down the road while
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Speaker 1: your daddy shotgun over your shoulder. It's just not something
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Speaker 1: that a skilled thief would do. But then then, very
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Speaker 1: Belinda is a murdered in her own home, attention turns
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Speaker 1: right down the street. The night his wife, Belinda was
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Speaker 1: murdered in January nineteen ninety nine, David Temple told police
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Speaker 1: he had no idea who did it. Everybody liked Belinda,
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Speaker 1: didn't matter where she was. Later, he wondered about one
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Speaker 1: of her students, the Temple's next door neighbor, Riley Joe Sanders.
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Speaker 1: They had had several battles that I was aware of.
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Speaker 1: At the time, he was sixteen and perpetually truant. Belinda
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Speaker 1: had reported him to his parents to think he killed Bolan. Honestly,
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Speaker 1: don't know. Riley Joe Sanders told the reporter he was
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Speaker 1: in school all day, but later admitted to the police
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Speaker 1: he cut out to smoke pot with friends. He was
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Speaker 1: known to use his father's twelve gage shotguns without permission.
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Speaker 1: His friends had stolen shotguns a few weeks earlier, and
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Speaker 1: Sanders was in the area around the time that other
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Speaker 1: neighbors heard a sudden and startling noise. But there's more.
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Speaker 1: Daniel Glascock's Riley Joe Sanders in high school, said he
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Speaker 1: wanted to clear his conscience. He said back in nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety nine, he overheard Sanders talk about a burglary that escalated.
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Speaker 1: I remember I'm saying nobody was supposed to be there.
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Speaker 1: When he went into the house. As went upstairs, the
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Speaker 1: dog attacked him. He shot the dog. Her Blinda put
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Speaker 1: the dog in the closet and they panic and rand
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Speaker 1: It was confusing. The temple's dog was not shot, but
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Speaker 1: Glasscock seemed to believe that dog was coded for Belinda
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Speaker 1: and that Sanders could be involved in her murder. I
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Speaker 1: really believe that an innocent man is sitting in prison
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Speaker 1: for something He didn't do. De Garin gave Glasscock's videotape
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Speaker 1: statement to the District attorney's office. Wow, it's looking really
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Speaker 1: bad for the neighbor down the street. The next thing
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Speaker 1: we know, there's more evidence. As clapperd scrutinized the reports,
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Speaker 1: he became interested in another break in that happened just
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Speaker 1: nine days before Belinda's murder. Some of sand his friends
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Speaker 1: had gotten into a home by smashing through glass, like
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Speaker 1: the Temple home. They'd gone in and rifle through some stuff,
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Speaker 1: and so somebody had taken a CD player, turned it
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Speaker 1: on his side and left and sitting on the floor.
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Speaker 1: And like the TV and the Temple and the TV
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Speaker 1: and the Temple, case was the same kind of way.
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Speaker 1: One of the boys had a beef with the man
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Speaker 1: who lived there at Clappert wondered if Riley Joe Sanders
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Speaker 1: had a beef with Belinda whether that could be a
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Speaker 1: motive for him and his friends to break into her
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Speaker 1: home when they believed she wasn't there. They want to
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Speaker 1: go mess things up, They want to go steal a
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Speaker 1: few things. They want to hurt rather than kill. To
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Speaker 1: Catherine Casey, author of Shattered, there was a lot going
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Speaker 1: on in the neighborhood that afternoon, right, yeah. They the
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Speaker 1: investigators did a canvas and they talked to the neighbors,
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Speaker 1: and they found out that there were people walking by
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Speaker 1: the temple house they were going to get their mail.
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Speaker 1: The mailbox was down at the end of the street.
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Speaker 1: Kids were arriving home from school, people were coming home
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Speaker 1: from work. No one heard anything or claimed to have
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Speaker 1: heard anything except the kids who lived behind the temples,
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Speaker 1: and their testimony, while intriguing, left a lot of questions
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Speaker 1: unanswered because there were people standing out on the street
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Speaker 1: at four thirty who didn't hear what the boys heard,
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Speaker 1: and there was a car scene in the area around
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Speaker 1: that time that somebody did see backfiring. They were dropped
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Speaker 1: off here at the bus stop at about three forty five.
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Speaker 1: They went home, did about ten or fifteen minutes worth
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Speaker 1: of homework, horsed around a little, and started the video.
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Speaker 1: That would mean if the boys are correct, that the
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Speaker 1: shot was fired at about four thirty. That was the
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Speaker 1: time that David was out shopping. He and Evan were
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Speaker 1: caught by a surveillance camera at that grocery store. Within days,
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Speaker 1: police discovered that Riley Joe Sanders lied about where he was.
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Speaker 1: They asked him to take a lie detector test. He
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Speaker 1: agreed and failed at least twice. But there was no
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Speaker 1: way to link any of the shotguns Sanders and his
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Speaker 1: friends had to the crime, and there was no other
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Speaker 1: evidence to put Riley Joe Sanders at the scene. What's more,
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Speaker 1: the police had another suspect in their sights. I heard
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Speaker 1: a lab bone bone growing up, ed and Herman Roberts
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Speaker 1: lived in the house behind the temples. This is Herman Roberts.
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Speaker 1: He's six years old. The police spoke with them shortly
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Speaker 1: after the murder. How many times did you hear that?
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Speaker 1: Who thought it was against that? I was sure they
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Speaker 1: was at But when exactly did the boys hear that
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Speaker 1: bang ello? They happened to be watching Doctor Doolittle at
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Speaker 1: the time, and nine years later they remember the exact
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Speaker 1: point in the film when they heard the sound right here,
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Speaker 1: stop her here. That scene is twenty four minutes and
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Speaker 1: fifty seconds into the movie. With that information, police could
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Speaker 1: calculate roughly when the boys heard that noise. They were
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Speaker 1: dropped off here at the bus stop at about three
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Speaker 1: forty five. They went home, did about ten or fifteen
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Speaker 1: minutes worth of homework horsed around a little and started
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Speaker 1: the video. That would mean if the boys are correct,
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Speaker 1: that the shot was fired at about four thirty. Wow,
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Speaker 1: when you start basing a timeline on a scene in
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Speaker 1: Doctor Doolittle, that reminds me so much. Brandy Key on
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Speaker 1: Seney Katie Times, owner of the oj Sebsy case, where
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Speaker 1: they actually started a timeline at the time somebody heard
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Speaker 1: a dog barking. Now that may actually be true, but
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Speaker 1: there's really no way to verify that, and timeline is
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Speaker 1: really where an investigation and starts. Brandy, I want to
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Speaker 1: circle back, Brandy, what Catherine Casey was telling us about
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Speaker 1: neighbors on their way to get mail spotting something unusual.
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Speaker 1: So there were several neighbors that were out and about.
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Speaker 1: There was a young girl that had actually walked past
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Speaker 1: the house around five twenty five thirty. There were people
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Speaker 1: out in their yards and you know, they really didn't
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Speaker 1: see or hear anything until you know, about five twenty
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Speaker 1: when David came home. Katherine Casey, what else did neighbors see. Well,
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Speaker 1: they said that there'd been tension over at the Temple house.
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Speaker 1: Some of them talked about the fact that Belinda had
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Speaker 1: done the nursery all by herself, and that David hadn't
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Speaker 1: seemed delighted about the pregnancy. So there was a lot
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Speaker 1: of talk in town in that area also about the dog,
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Speaker 1: about Chaka, about how frightened everybody was of the dog,
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Speaker 1: and they didn't understand. Neighbors were standing out on the
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Speaker 1: street watching as police were looking through the house, and
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Speaker 1: they were wondering how Robert could have gotten in the
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Speaker 1: house with Shotka in the backyard. You know. Back to
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Speaker 1: the shotgun. To you, Joseph Scott Morgan, explain exactly why
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Speaker 1: it's very difficult for a ballistics expert to say in
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Speaker 1: a shotgun killing that the shotgun, a specific shotgun was used.
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Speaker 1: It is very difficult, Nancy, And this is the reason
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Speaker 1: why shotguns the interior of their barrel are referred to
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Speaker 1: as what is called smooth bore. If our listeners, who
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Speaker 1: are very bright people, and I'm sure already know this,
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Speaker 1: we'll just remember back the interior of a shotgun bore is,
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Speaker 1: or the barrel is actually similar to say a lead pipe.
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Speaker 1: It has no specific lands and grooves like you see
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Speaker 1: in a rifled barrel that makes the bullet twist and
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Speaker 1: stay on its axis and creates energy and that sort
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Speaker 1: of thing and stabilizes a bullet that doesn't happen with
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Speaker 1: a shotgun, Nancy, it's smooth. So therefore, when these pellets
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Speaker 1: traveled down the long range of the barrel, many times
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Speaker 1: they're unstable and they just kind of bounce around randomly,
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Speaker 1: and as they exit the barrel, they deploy from a
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Speaker 1: sleeve and then they come out virtually unscathed, so there's
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Speaker 1: no specific markings tying it back to the barrel itself.
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Speaker 1: The one area that we do look to with shotguns, though,
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Speaker 1: is if we take the actual spent shell, you'll get
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Speaker 1: what are referred to as extractor marks, and that means
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Speaker 1: as the shell, assuming that it's a semi automatic, is
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Speaker 1: ejected on the side these it literally is grabbed and
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Speaker 1: thrown clear, and that little grabbing mechanism inside of the
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Speaker 1: shotgun will leave a mark on the brass base of
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Speaker 1: those shells. But when you don't have a weapon to
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Speaker 1: compare it to, that creates a whole another group of problems. Well,
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Speaker 1: there's the issue of Riley Joe Sanders the third to
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Speaker 1: Catherine Casey, author of Shattered, what do we know about
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Speaker 1: this guy? And why did he have a grudge against
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Speaker 1: Belinda Temple. Well, we learned about Riley Joe. Where the
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Speaker 1: police learned about Riley Joe from members of the Temple family.
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Speaker 1: They said that there's been this problem with this kid
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Speaker 1: next or Riley Joe was kind of this laid back
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Speaker 1: kid who liked to smoke pot and cut classes, and
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Speaker 1: he was sixteen years old than Belinda had been his teacher.
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Speaker 1: It would turn out that they're really never There was
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Speaker 1: no evidence that Riley Joe had ever been in the house.
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Speaker 1: They never found any fibers. They looked for fingerprints, didn't
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Speaker 1: find any. They went back to him seven different times,
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Speaker 1: I believe, and asked him for statements and interviewed him,
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Speaker 1: and he cooperated every time, as did the other kids,
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Speaker 1: the ones, the friends that friends of Riley Joe's um.
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Speaker 1: You know, he never he took lie detector tests. He
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Speaker 1: didn't pass them. Didn't he fail them? Well, they said
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Speaker 1: that he was you know, they were what's the term
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Speaker 1: when they're not inconclusive? You know, the results were confused,
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Speaker 1: and they said that he was not being truthful on
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Speaker 1: some questions. He was smoking pot at the time and everything.
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Speaker 1: But he stepped up. He did everything they asked him
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Speaker 1: to do, and they found no evidence. And when they
24:35
Speaker 1: talked to the teachers at school, and when they talked
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Speaker 1: to Riley Joe, what they found out was that he
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Speaker 1: really liked Belinda. Belinda had been really helpful to him.
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Speaker 1: He was a kid who had some learning needs, some
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Speaker 1: special needs for some need for some special teaching, and
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Speaker 1: Belinda was the teacher who had tried to help him out.
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Speaker 1: But the end, there are his friends. Listen to this.
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Speaker 1: One of those friends apparently broke into another neighbor's house
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Speaker 1: and the area before Temple was killed. One of the
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Speaker 1: things they stole was a shotgun. Also, the Sanders family
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Speaker 1: happened to be hunters and own shotguns as well. Sanders
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Speaker 1: would go out and use his dad's shotgun. But the
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Speaker 1: Sanders family cooperated with the investigators turned over all of
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Speaker 1: their artillery, so he was not declared a suspect after
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Speaker 1: he was initially a person of interest here. But again,
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Speaker 1: it's all about casting that doubt because the gun that
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Speaker 1: was used to shoot Belinda Temple, that shotgun has yet
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Speaker 1: to then recover. You know what, That's so true? Steve Lampley, detective,
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Speaker 1: author of Outside Your Door on Amazon. They can't find
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Speaker 1: the murder weapon, so that presents a big problem, man,
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Speaker 1: seeing like Joseph was saying, you're gonna have you're gonna
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Speaker 1: need that to look at the extractor, marcis seed since
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Speaker 1: the pellets themselves off or no little help whatsoever. Not
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Speaker 1: having the murder weapons a big deal. In a lot
25:52
Speaker 1: of the fact police can't find the murder weapon, they
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Speaker 1: circle back to David Temple because he was the first
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Speaker 1: person to discover the body. Police asked David to go
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Speaker 1: to the police station to give a statement, and he complies.
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Speaker 1: David said that he had taken his son out to
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Speaker 1: a park that afternoon and to get a drink and
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Speaker 1: then stopped to look for a bracket for a shelf.
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Speaker 1: Surveillance tapes from two stores verify his presence there in
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Speaker 1: the time. It looks like Belinda was murdered. Police released
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Speaker 1: David that night. Meanwhile, the investigation intensifies. It's not long
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Speaker 1: before detectives discover that David seems to have some kind
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Speaker 1: of significant relationship with a female teacher at school, and
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Speaker 1: they bring Heather in for questioning. When police originally questioned
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Speaker 1: Heather about her relationship with David, she called it just
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Speaker 1: kind of a casual romantic relationship. She didn't imply that
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Speaker 1: there was anything going on, that they'd pledged any love,
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Speaker 1: or that there was any sexual involvement. Those are our
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Speaker 1: friends at scorned. But regardless of the fact that Temple's
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Speaker 1: sex relationship with a fellow teacher, Heather, has been unearthed,
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Speaker 1: there's still the issue of the video Nancy Grace killers
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Speaker 1: amongst us signing off goodbye friend.