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The Mandalorian Chapter 17: The Apostate · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello there, Welcome to the NED party.
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Speaker 2: Hi.
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Speaker 3: This is Nick and Astasu, story editor on Star Wars,
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Speaker 4: of your hosts, Jedi Master John Mills, and I'm joined
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Speaker 4: on this journey by the very learned and brilliant Chiss
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Speaker 4: Jedi Jedi Master Matthew Rushing. Master Rushing, how are you
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Speaker 4: today and how strategically ready are you for this discussion?
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm feeling a little blue today and so it
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Speaker 1: had to be done.
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Speaker 2: He's going to be here all night, folks. Just hang
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Speaker 2: on to your head.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, tipic waitress, eat the deal. But no, actually doing great.
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Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to diving into season three here
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Speaker 1: of Mando because it basically just kicks right off, you know,
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Speaker 1: as if you know, nothing happened between season two and
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Speaker 1: season three, even though there was something that happened between
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Speaker 1: season two and season three. Season two point five. So yeah, hey, hey,
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Speaker 1: the Book of Boa Fet.
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Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and embrace that, because we're not talking
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Speaker 4: about the Book of Boba Fett, at least not right now.
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Speaker 4: But I will say that I've been going through everything
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Speaker 4: with my youngest and we did watch the Book of
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Speaker 4: Boba Fet, and I'm going to go ahead and I'm
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Speaker 4: going to cop to it. I'm going to let you
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Speaker 4: know that I really I never disliked the Book of
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Speaker 4: Boba Fet. There were parts of it that I thought
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Speaker 4: didn't work, and I was willing to say, Okay, you know,
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Speaker 4: it's because of production challenges and those sorts of things,
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Speaker 4: and the aforementioned it turns into The Mandalorian, you know,
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Speaker 4: near the end unexpectedly. But I think that it's a
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Speaker 4: show that should be judged much kinder in retrospect, and
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Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of value to the show
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Speaker 4: that we might have overlooked because coming out of season
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Speaker 4: two of The Mandalorian, our expectations were outsized. I think,
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Speaker 4: you know, after the Rescue, getting heroic Luke, it's disorienting
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Speaker 4: to have the Book of Boba Fett not be quite
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Speaker 4: up to the same sort of thing for whatever reasons.
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Speaker 4: But then we at least get young Luke teaching Grogu
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Speaker 4: and meeting Ahsoka and seeing that they're there and he's
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Speaker 4: building the temple. We're seeing all this good positive stuff,
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Speaker 4: and of course it serves the purpose of getting Crogu
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Speaker 4: back with the Mando replacing the ship so that we
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Speaker 4: can start season three, like you said, just off at
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Speaker 4: the races, going along with everything. So my question to
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Speaker 4: you is coming into season three, then were you excited?
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Speaker 4: Had Book of Boba Fet blunted some of the the
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Speaker 4: the anticipation for you or were you ready to be like, Okay,
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Speaker 4: let's get back to it, guys, I know you got
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Speaker 4: it in you.
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Speaker 1: I think coming back for season three at that point,
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Speaker 1: you know, the episodes of the Mandalorian were the best
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Speaker 1: part of the Book of Boba Fet for me at
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Speaker 1: that point, you know, And so I was very much
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Speaker 1: looking forward to diving into to season three of Mando
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Speaker 1: and seeing where they were going to go, you know,
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Speaker 1: especially with that hanging thread of you know, knowing that
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Speaker 1: he's taken off his helmet and that puts him at
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Speaker 1: odds with his people, this Children of the Watch cult
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Speaker 1: from Mandalorian, there's a lot of great story in that.
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Speaker 1: I feel like this episode, though, needs to be one
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Speaker 1: where we kind of get something out of the way
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Speaker 1: at the beginning so we can actually he didn't talk
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Speaker 1: about the story itself of kind of what's being told
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Speaker 1: here and all the you know, the things in between.
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Speaker 1: But watching this episode last night and having just watched
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Speaker 1: season two again, it felt like a very clear drop
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Speaker 1: off between season two and three in the tightness of
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Speaker 1: storytelling and the consistency of the storytelling here in this episode.
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Speaker 1: This episode still feels so incredibly disjointed. They either needed
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Speaker 1: a longer episode or they needed to find a better
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Speaker 1: way of getting to the point of this episode.
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Speaker 2: But there's just it.
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Speaker 1: It felt like, you know, when your girls used to
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Speaker 1: tell you a story when they were real little, and
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Speaker 1: it was just like and then and and something completely
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Speaker 1: out of the blue happens, and then and then the
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Speaker 1: something else completely out of the blue happens, and then
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Speaker 1: and that's this. This episode feels like and then in
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Speaker 1: the sense of, oh yeah, we want ig eleven, and
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Speaker 1: then and then we went and visited Bocaton and then
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Speaker 1: and oh yeah, we remember that time that we went
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Speaker 1: and visited the Armorer and she told us that thing
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Speaker 1: that we already knew, and it's just like, this episode
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Speaker 1: feels really disjointed to me, and so I wonder coming
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Speaker 1: back into it doesn't feel that way for you, because
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Speaker 1: I remember when we were reviewing the season we had
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Speaker 1: similar feelings. But I don't has that changed it all
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Speaker 1: for you?
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Speaker 4: It has on this rewatch, I understand what you're saying.
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Speaker 4: I don't discount it, but watching things in succession, like
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Speaker 4: you said, I do think that season two of The Mandalorian,
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Speaker 4: each episode is very disciplined in its storytelling, and it
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Speaker 4: saves the parenthetical stuff for the margins appropriately. I think
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Speaker 4: that what we see here is the Mandalorian falling victim
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Speaker 4: to try to force the mandate of a connected universe philosophy.
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Speaker 4: The first two seasons of The Mandalorian are self contained.
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Speaker 4: They are the story of the Mandalorian, and there are
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Speaker 4: things that can spring off from them. And I think
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Speaker 4: that the particular thing we have to acknowledge is that
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Speaker 4: Rangers of the New Republic. We're not going to get
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Speaker 4: into the why of anything like that. We don't want
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Speaker 4: to talk about that part of it whatever. But it
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Speaker 4: did get canceled and our friend Yancey, who's been on
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Speaker 4: the show would be the first to point out they
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Speaker 4: obviously took aspects of rangers of the New Republic and
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Speaker 4: they said, Okay, we got to put them somewhere. We
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Speaker 4: have to do the world building somehow, and so I
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Speaker 4: think you see the burden of the Connected Universe stuff
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Speaker 4: happening where it's like, oh, well, we got to have
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Speaker 4: it somewhere so that the people doing homework, like the
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Speaker 4: MCU fans can do the thing. I think the disjointed thing,
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Speaker 4: in all honesty is the stuff that happened in Book
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Speaker 4: of Boba Fet very clearly should have been in this season.
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Speaker 4: Bringing the Mandalorian in at the end of the Book
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Speaker 4: of Boba Fett was I think a panic move, not
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Speaker 4: because they didn't have faith in that product, but because
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Speaker 4: they were desperate to speed up the storytelling to make
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Speaker 4: room for other stuff in this and I think that
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Speaker 4: you see a little bit of that scramble happening here.
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Speaker 2: And in particular, what is.
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Speaker 4: Disjointed is that there should have been some story order
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Speaker 4: reorganization so that the Apostate simply dealt with Mandoin Grogu
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Speaker 4: getting their stuff together, getting ready to go to mandalor
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Speaker 4: maybe having a first failed mission to Mandalor and then
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Speaker 4: saying I need some help, and then at the end
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Speaker 4: going over to Navarro and saying, hey, we tried it
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Speaker 4: this way. I need a nig unit. Let's try that,
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Speaker 4: And then you end with that conundrum at the end
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Speaker 4: of it, so that when you go into the second episode,
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Speaker 4: it's a slightly it's the same setup. It's just things
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Speaker 4: have been reordered, and you know, to your point, it
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Speaker 4: is less disciplined than it's storytelling. It's a little bit
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Speaker 4: more disjointed. But at the same time, on this rewatch
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Speaker 4: and I'm going to cop to it. I'm gonna cop
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Speaker 4: to it the entire time we talk about this, I'm
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Speaker 4: watching it with my kid, And sometimes re teaching yourself
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Speaker 4: to watch things like a kid is actually a great
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Speaker 4: benefit because the stuff bothers you a little less because
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Speaker 4: you're sort.
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Speaker 2: Of just in a more forgiving mood. I guess.
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Speaker 4: So I'm just being upfront about that. If people want
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Speaker 4: to come at me and be like, oh, you just
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Speaker 4: you're just letting that cloud. Yeah, you're probably right, it's
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Speaker 4: probably true. But like there's stuff that I enjoyed watching
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Speaker 4: with her and going through, like when Mando shows up
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Speaker 4: with the giant crocodile monster and helps the other Mandalorians,
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Speaker 4: you know, survive it. During that opening sequence, you know,
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Speaker 4: we were able to have a talk whe was like,
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Speaker 4: you know, I found out a lot that my child
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Speaker 4: is a lot like her dad, because you know, our
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Speaker 4: mutual thought was like we kind of felt bad for
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Speaker 4: the crocodile monster because I was just doing his thing.
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Speaker 2: Man. You know, it wasn't doing it out of malice.
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Speaker 2: It was just just an animal, right, you know.
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Speaker 4: So like having those sorts of discussions and moments, and honestly,
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Speaker 4: because I've not shown her the sequel trilogy movies because
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Speaker 4: I love her, I she has no idea who bab
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Speaker 4: Babu Frick is or whatever. So her first encounter with
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Speaker 4: those little creatures, I mean a kid goes nuts for him,
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Speaker 4: you know, focus tested and that sort of stuff. But
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Speaker 4: you know what, actually, speaking of those I always forget
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Speaker 4: the name is they're Babu frick Zells.
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Speaker 2: Yeah whatever.
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Speaker 4: Sure was that a bridge too far for you in
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Speaker 4: any way because You're like, oh, okay, they got a
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Speaker 4: man to tie into the sequel trilogy or something like that,
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Speaker 4: or was that organic to you?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 1: I mean I thought that that was a fun use
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Speaker 1: of characters that they had utilized in the Rise of Skywalker,
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Speaker 1: and those characters themselves were fun. Bobo Frick was a
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Speaker 1: funny character, felt very Star Wars, and so I had
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Speaker 1: no issue with that, you know, inclusion. You know, I
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Speaker 1: think I love the way that you kind of restructured
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Speaker 1: things because again, I just think it makes more sense
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Speaker 1: in the watching. I mean, one of the weirdest things
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Speaker 1: about this episode is that they need a part for
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Speaker 1: Ig eleven, but instead of going to get the part,
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Speaker 1: they went and talked the Bokaton and it was just like,
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Speaker 1: you know, there's no logic to what's actually happening, and
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Speaker 1: so it just felt very strange. And I'm going to
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Speaker 1: say this and maybe it's not true, but I think
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Speaker 1: it is. You can, I think, really tell the deave
10:57
Speaker 1: Filoni is doing ah Soca this moment and had focused
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Speaker 1: on that, and he's not there to help smooth out
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Speaker 1: some of that storytelling stuff where it's like, you know,
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Speaker 1: they had gotten so good at how to do this
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Speaker 1: in the Clone Wars and how to tell arc stories,
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Speaker 1: you know, within seasons, but making everything fit together. I
11:23
Speaker 1: just I think you can you can see that his
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Speaker 1: polishing hand just isn't there at this moment. And I also,
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Speaker 1: I think you're one hundred percent correct on the idea
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Speaker 1: that you know, they want to expand this universe, but
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Speaker 1: I think they feel compelled to continue to do the
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Speaker 1: Mandalorian in the same way that they kind of had
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Speaker 1: been doing it the whole time, instead of maybe starting
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Speaker 1: to shift the storytelling a little bit, to have interconnected,
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Speaker 1: internerweaving stories throughout the season where it's it's more one
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Speaker 1: long story than it is just segmented episodes. And I
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Speaker 1: think that they're so beholdened to that idea that it
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Speaker 1: actually shackles them instead of being free to be like,
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Speaker 1: we're on streaming, we could do whatever we want, you know.
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Speaker 2: And so.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, at the same time, like you know, the whole
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Speaker 1: thing with the Mandalorians, and you know, the whole helmet
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Speaker 1: ceremony of this kid getting his helmet and knowing he'll
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Speaker 1: never get to take it off again. That's I don't
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Speaker 1: know if it is that child abuse or I'm not sure,
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Speaker 1: but it.
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Speaker 4: Would be child abuse if they never make the helmet larger,
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Speaker 4: that's true.
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Speaker 2: That would be I think a bad thing, you know.
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Speaker 1: So that is an interesting thing, you know, And I think,
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Speaker 1: you know, returning to Navarro and seeing how it's grown
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Speaker 1: is fun. Do the miss cardoon, but either nor.
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Speaker 4: You no, no, no, no, that is a there. Don't
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Speaker 4: say that's neither here nor there.
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Speaker 2: We're not again.
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Speaker 4: We're not going to talk about controversies or anything like that.
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Speaker 4: I'm going to ask you this question because you know
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Speaker 4: that I know that both of us fall on a
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Speaker 4: slightly different thing. I don't care who comes at me
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Speaker 4: for this. Instead of just ditching the character of Kara
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Speaker 4: Dune and having the lines like, oh, she's off doing
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Speaker 4: other things, I would have just recast her. I recasting happens, man,
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Speaker 4: I always go back. It's another Favreau property. Iron Man two.
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Speaker 4: They recast one of the major characters from iron Man
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Speaker 4: one between iron Man and one and iron Man two,
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Speaker 4: and nobody complained about Don Cheetle coming in. And I
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Speaker 4: think that there is this bizarre aversion to recasting people
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Speaker 4: that just blows my mind. Now, would it be the
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Speaker 4: same character, No, not really, But like Robin Curtis plays
13:48
Speaker 4: Savag in Star Trek three, they needed Savag, so somebody
13:51
Speaker 4: else stepped in. What do you think of that? Would
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Speaker 4: you have accepted a recast car a Dune.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it would have been interesting. And I think,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's an interesting thought experiment. And
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Speaker 1: I can't say yes or no until having seen the product.
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Speaker 1: But I don't know if it if if it had
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Speaker 1: been done well right, it would have been fine. What
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Speaker 1: I have loved it, No, but I could have probably
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Speaker 1: come to accept it. And I think that's what's interesting,
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Speaker 1: is when you get to Navarro something is missing because
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Speaker 1: she's such a big part of the end of that
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Speaker 1: for second season and so and and I think it's
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Speaker 1: interesting too because there's all this time kind of spent
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Speaker 1: on Navarro in many ways that with these pirates and
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Speaker 1: all this stuff and it and it feels like if
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Speaker 1: you were going to cut anything from the season and
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Speaker 1: from this episode, it should have been this because it's
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Speaker 1: not important to the rest of where Mando's going. Yes,
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Speaker 1: And man, I still can't stand the goryan shard.
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Speaker 2: Look, I mean it it Captain Christmas Tree, you mean
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Speaker 2: it's it thing.
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Speaker 1: It looks like somebody dumped a Easter basket on their
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Speaker 1: head in that green grass that's in easter baskets at
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Speaker 1: the bottom. That's what's on his face. It was just
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Speaker 1: very frustrating. And I again, I think that the problem
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Speaker 1: with it is is that you should excize this part
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Speaker 1: of the story and just allow them to focus on,
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Speaker 1: you know, getting the part for Ig eleven that they
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Speaker 1: need and instead of having this whole asteroid secrets thing
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Speaker 1: and the pirates and all this, you could do that
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Speaker 1: and the storyline can move forward. So then when we
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Speaker 1: end with us talking to Bocaton, it makes sense.
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Speaker 4: Yes, And like I said, I'm a little bit more
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Speaker 4: forgiving of the show because you know, I saw it
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Speaker 4: works for a kid. But I did ask at the end,
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Speaker 4: I said, you know, did you like it? And I
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Speaker 4: was like, yeah, it was not as enthusiastic as previous
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Speaker 4: Mando episodes.
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Speaker 2: But it was you know, it was enough. It was enough.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I think that there's you know, to your point. I mean,
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Speaker 4: this is the difficulty. When you have experienced enough film, TV, streaming, whatever,
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Speaker 4: there are things where you can see how things can
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Speaker 4: go together better, and it's tough not to fall into
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Speaker 4: the trap of sort of rewriting the episode to ameliorate
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Speaker 4: what didn't work, instead of just saying it didn't work
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Speaker 4: and it just doesn't work. And I think that it's
16:46
Speaker 4: a sign of love and respect from us and from
16:49
Speaker 4: other fans to do stuff like that, as frustrating as
16:53
Speaker 4: it can be. And so like I say that all
16:57
Speaker 4: the preface the fact that it's like, if you wanted
16:59
Speaker 4: to keep the Pirates and you wanted to keep it focused,
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Speaker 4: have Mando go to some junkyard planet and have the
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Speaker 4: Pirates show up for some reason, and then you can
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Speaker 4: have the escape and that way it's not even tied
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Speaker 4: to Navarro and you'll say, oh, but the Pirates showing
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Speaker 4: up shows how Navarro has changed. I can already tell
17:17
Speaker 4: Navarro has changed. I've been to Navarro before. I don't
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Speaker 4: need to see the Pirates.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.
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Speaker 4: And you know, like actually seeing the Pirates here in
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Speaker 4: this episode, I'm thinking, Okay, well, this is going to
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Speaker 4: really pay off later, isn't it. And we'll see as
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Speaker 4: we go through season three whether the payoff, whether the
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Speaker 4: Pirate's storyline really pays off or carries forward well.
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Speaker 1: And I do think that that is one of the
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Speaker 1: interesting parts of this season and just kind of us
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Speaker 1: having this discussion about this feeling of this disjointed nature,
17:53
Speaker 1: even just of this first episode where it doesn't feel
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Speaker 1: like everything kind of makes logical senses to what we're
17:58
Speaker 1: doing specifically or the which we're doing it or why.
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Speaker 1: And I think one of the fascinating things about this season,
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Speaker 1: and especially in the rewatch here, is does that get ameliorated,
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Speaker 1: because that's a huge problem I've had with the season.
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Speaker 1: Like there's some real good storytelling whise and where we
18:18
Speaker 1: end up that I think is fantastic, and I'm really
18:22
Speaker 1: excited to get to that stuff in this season, but
18:26
Speaker 1: also in my brain there's this other stuff that I
18:28
Speaker 1: remember where I'm like, oh man, I remember the issues
18:33
Speaker 1: I had with this season by watching this episode right,
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Speaker 1: because this one became kind of indicative of the issues
18:43
Speaker 1: that I had. And so I think that's going to
18:45
Speaker 1: be really interesting to watch through this season to see
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Speaker 1: if that's helped. Because I did want to ask you
18:53
Speaker 1: in the rewatch was there anything that stood out to
18:57
Speaker 1: you other than the big scene with the Star Wars crocodile.
19:02
Speaker 1: Was there anything else that you really really enjoyed about
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Speaker 1: the episode or thought was done really really well or
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Speaker 1: you felt like maybe you just didn't catch the first
19:10
Speaker 1: time that you're like, oh man, that was good.
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Speaker 4: I don't think there's anything that I missed on the
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Speaker 4: first go round. But there is stuff that I enjoyed
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Speaker 4: more this time. I actually, you know, as much as
19:21
Speaker 4: I wish they'd just recast Kara Doone, she was sort
19:24
Speaker 4: of supposed to be missing by this point, I guess anyway,
19:27
Speaker 4: if you were going to have Rangers of the New
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Speaker 4: Republic and everything like that. So what I actually enjoyed was,
19:32
Speaker 4: I did enjoy Carl Weathers. I think he had a
19:37
Speaker 4: moment to shine in this episode, and I really enjoyed
19:43
Speaker 4: him pitching Mando on, Hey, why don't you settle down
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Speaker 4: and stay here?
19:48
Speaker 2: We could use a guy like you.
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Speaker 4: And also I enjoyed, you know, the resurrection of IG
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Speaker 4: eleven and having it go hilariously wrong. I I enjoyed
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Speaker 4: that scene a great deal. I really enjoyed it, not
20:05
Speaker 4: the least of which because they have the little moment
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Speaker 4: of you know, the statue the symbol of pride falling
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Speaker 4: over and having you know, crushing I G. Eleven's head
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Speaker 4: and everything. I really, you know, that stuff worked.
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Speaker 1: I was a lot really forget your head into it.
20:24
Speaker 2: You know, hey, you know you got to use your head.
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Speaker 2: And I think that.
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Speaker 4: The Babu fricks worked a little better for me, just
20:32
Speaker 4: because my kid loved them. So I was like, okay, fine,
20:35
Speaker 4: all right, yeah that you recognize that you got a
20:38
Speaker 4: family show here and everybody's here for baby Yoda, so
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Speaker 4: let's bring some more cuteness to it.
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Speaker 2: That works for me, Fine, what about you? Like? What
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Speaker 2: was really what really worked for you?
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Speaker 1: I enjoyed the I think they things on Navorrow with
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Speaker 1: Grief Karga. I enjoyed the idea of the the you know,
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Speaker 1: the and Zellen's and what they do, and the fact
21:07
Speaker 1: that this place is so prosperous, you know, so that
21:09
Speaker 1: they would come here and have a shop. I thought
21:11
Speaker 1: was great. You know, I love watching h Grogu pick
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Speaker 1: them up, you know, and treat them like little stuffed animals.
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Speaker 2: It's hysterical. At least he's not trying to eat them.
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Speaker 1: It's true. It's true, he's not trying to do that,
21:27
Speaker 1: which is great. I thought all that stuff is great,
21:31
Speaker 1: And it's the little moments in the episode I think
21:34
Speaker 1: that I really enjoyed. And like you said, I think
21:38
Speaker 1: just the presence that Carl Weathers is on the screen,
21:41
Speaker 1: you know, he's having such a.
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Speaker 2: Good time rest in peace.
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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and and that's what I love you know,
21:49
Speaker 1: and I think knowing that he won't be part of
21:52
Speaker 1: the Mandalorian anymore is really sad because he's he's just
21:59
Speaker 1: a presence on SCO and and I think having him
22:03
Speaker 1: on screen, and again, the whole idea of not having
22:06
Speaker 1: car Dune on screen. You know, they were such a
22:09
Speaker 1: great duo by the end of season two that there
22:12
Speaker 1: is that thing that's missing. But yeah, I mean it's
22:15
Speaker 1: a I think the thing about it is there's some
22:18
Speaker 1: there's some fun in the episode. There's some real i
22:20
Speaker 1: think dysfunction in the episode. But the same time, I'm
22:24
Speaker 1: excited the idea of like going to go to mandalor
22:27
Speaker 1: you know, to get to mandalor that that that part
22:30
Speaker 1: of this story still has me hooked.
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Speaker 4: You know. Uh, you know what, I'm gonna go ahead
22:35
Speaker 4: and say that what the thought that's in my brain
22:38
Speaker 4: when you're like, oh, you know, grief Cargo is not
22:39
Speaker 4: going to be there anymore, or car Dune's not there.
22:42
Speaker 4: I start thinking of bands that have had member changes,
22:46
Speaker 4: and sometimes it goes okay, you know, I'll actually I'll
22:50
Speaker 4: actually say this will really annoy a lot of gen
22:53
Speaker 4: xers out there. I actually think Sammy Hagar was an
22:56
Speaker 4: upgrade over David Lee Roth. There I said it, I
22:58
Speaker 4: mean it, I still mean it. I'll always mean it.
23:01
Speaker 4: But then sometimes you have Steve Adler versus Matt Sorem
23:05
Speaker 4: as the drummer on Guns n' Roses? Could you really
23:08
Speaker 4: tell a difference?
23:09
Speaker 2: Right?
23:09
Speaker 4: Was there a thing? But Steve Perry Leave's journey? Was
23:12
Speaker 4: it season three of the Dukes of Hazzard? Like, at
23:14
Speaker 4: what point does the cast change really hurt you? That
23:19
Speaker 4: is what I think remains to be seen with the
23:23
Speaker 4: Mandalorian and Grogu movie, because you know that whatever they
23:29
Speaker 4: had percolating in their collective consciousness in the writer's room
23:35
Speaker 4: all those years ago when they first started thinking about
23:37
Speaker 4: it as a possibility, Grief Karga and Kara Doom were
23:41
Speaker 4: part of that movie. So will we detect their absence
23:46
Speaker 4: when the movie shows up?
23:47
Speaker 1: Its a great question. What what I hear you saying though,
23:50
Speaker 1: is that you might as well jump? And so, yeah,
23:55
Speaker 1: what are you coming into season three? Then? And rewatching
23:59
Speaker 1: the episode? What are you going to rate this one?
24:01
Speaker 2: Do you think? Honestly? I give it a solid three
24:04
Speaker 2: and a half.
24:06
Speaker 4: It's not the fives that I've been tossing around, and
24:10
Speaker 4: I think that from a technical perspective, I think that
24:13
Speaker 4: the outdoor work with the effects is phenomenal with the
24:18
Speaker 4: space crocodile and the baptism scene and everything like that.
24:21
Speaker 4: Knowing what they put into it, I was like, Wow,
24:23
Speaker 4: that was amazing. But because of the disjointed nature, and
24:29
Speaker 4: while I'm enjoying parts, like when I'm on Navarro, I'm
24:33
Speaker 4: enjoying it, but then suddenly I'm on Pirates and I'm like,
24:35
Speaker 4: Pirates is an interesting thing, and Navarro is an interesting thing,
24:38
Speaker 4: and the Mandalorian sect is an interesting thing. But this
24:42
Speaker 4: feels like two episodes that got put in a blender
24:45
Speaker 4: and could have been separated out.
24:48
Speaker 1: It would have been much cooler if the Pirates had
24:50
Speaker 1: been the Pirates from Skeleton Crew, And yeah, they would
24:54
Speaker 1: have been that tie.
24:55
Speaker 4: In, so that would have been fantastic. So three and
24:59
Speaker 4: a half for me, where's you come in with it?
25:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna give this. I think I'm gonna be
25:05
Speaker 1: pretty harsh. It's a two and a half out of
25:07
Speaker 1: five out. It's half a good episode, and partially because
25:11
Speaker 1: I think that the episode it has half good ideas,
25:17
Speaker 1: but it just can't figure out which ideas it really
25:20
Speaker 1: wants to do. And I think that's the frustrating part
25:24
Speaker 1: about that. But it you know, it's not like I
25:27
Speaker 1: hate the season or the episode or anything like that.
25:31
Speaker 1: It's just the other. Like you mentioned at the top
25:34
Speaker 1: of the episode, season two ends in such a high
25:38
Speaker 1: water mark. It's like peak Star Wars, and so when
25:41
Speaker 1: you're coming into season three, man, you just want that
25:43
Speaker 1: peak to continue. You don't want to hit a valley,
25:46
Speaker 1: and I feel like this episode unfortunately becomes a bit
25:49
Speaker 1: of a valley where you wouldn't want that to happen.
25:52
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm raring to go. As next week we
25:56
Speaker 1: continue to the Minds of mandal Or. But John, if
25:58
Speaker 1: people wanted to catch up with you and see what
26:00
Speaker 1: else you've got going on these days, where do they
26:02
Speaker 1: find you.
26:02
Speaker 4: Well, you can find me hanging out with Captain Christmas
26:04
Speaker 4: Tree as I affectionately call him also swamp Thing out
26:08
Speaker 4: there on the Space Lanes and as Cassel Junkie that's
26:11
Speaker 4: my pirate name are And you can find me primarily
26:14
Speaker 4: on Letterbox and Goodreads that's where I have the most fun.
26:16
Speaker 4: On social media, and you can find me right here
26:18
Speaker 4: on the network, co hosting a show called house Lights
26:20
Speaker 4: with Tristan Riddell and Darren Moser. We have a great
26:23
Speaker 4: time on that show. Come have a great time with us.
26:25
Speaker 4: We'd love to have you listen, although I can't tell
26:28
Speaker 4: whether you do or not, but hey, you know this
26:31
Speaker 4: is me talking to you. Come on, come on over
26:33
Speaker 4: and listen like you listen to this show. But I
26:35
Speaker 4: also appear from time to time on the six oh
26:37
Speaker 4: two Club over on the TFM network, which I know
26:40
Speaker 4: is one of the many ways that can reach you, Matt.
26:42
Speaker 4: So where are all the places they can reach you online?
26:45
Speaker 1: Well, when I'm not hanging out with a tim O pirate,
26:49
Speaker 1: you can also find me on this wonderful network on
26:54
Speaker 1: our post talking about every single chapter the Harry Potter
26:56
Speaker 1: series one chapter of Time Hi. You can also find
26:58
Speaker 1: me all over social media under the name Matt Rushing
27:01
Speaker 1: zero two. You can also find me on the TFM
27:04
Speaker 1: Network in the six oh two Club talking about all
27:07
Speaker 1: of the franchises we love, plus a lot of great
27:09
Speaker 1: star trek talk over there as well with my good
27:12
Speaker 1: friend Chris Jones. But John, I hear that they're going
27:16
Speaker 1: to be decorating the Early Christmas tree over at the
27:22
Speaker 1: Jedi Temple and it might look like a friend. We know,
27:26
Speaker 1: so I think it's time to close these negotiations.
27:28
Speaker 2: Oh watch out, the Christmas tree is loose. It's attacking again.
27:31
Speaker 4: Ah master rushing, it's time to close these negotiations.
27:49
Speaker 3: Join the Revolution, Join the Nerd Party.