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SCOTT PETERSON BIG TRIAL WIN: SWEARS HE KEPT MISTRESS TO "FIND" WIFE LACI · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Bombshell and I main Bombshell.
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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson, big win. That's right. A judge has greenlighted
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Speaker 1: his bid for freedom, this as he double downs on
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Speaker 1: the burglary theory and swears he kept his sex mistress
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Speaker 1: in order to find Lacey. Let that Saint Ken. I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us.
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Speaker 2: Peterson claims investigators did not turn over key evidence to
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Speaker 2: his defense that could have cleared him of his pregnant
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Speaker 2: wife's murder. During the trial.
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Speaker 3: I was searching for my family.
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Speaker 4: I wanted to search teams stay in contact with ambro
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Speaker 4: Thiden and she would.
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Speaker 3: Get into the picture of complicated ruin the search.
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Speaker 1: Does it never end with him? That is from our
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Speaker 1: friends over at Peacock their documentaries called face to face
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Speaker 1: with Scott Peterson, and there he says, okay, wait, he's asked,
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Speaker 1: why did you keep talking to Amber Fry after Lacey disappeared? Well,
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Speaker 1: that's obvious he wanted to continue having sex with her.
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Speaker 1: But what he says is well, I was searching for
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Speaker 1: my family under Amber skirt, and I wanted that search
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Speaker 1: to continue. I stayed in contact with Amber, I thought
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Speaker 1: if she wouldn't get into the picture and complicate it
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Speaker 1: and ruin the search for Lacey and Connor. Okay, the
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Speaker 1: bombshelt tonight is that a judge, in her wisdom has
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Speaker 1: green lips Scott Peterson's bid for freedom. But before I
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Speaker 1: get into the legalities of all that, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: go straight out to a long time colleague, you I
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Speaker 1: consider to be a friend. Oh the good old days
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Speaker 1: of living in Redwood City. During the trial, John Bueler
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Speaker 1: is with US former detective and the Scott Peterson investigation.
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Speaker 1: Former detective, formerdesto PD thirty one years John, can you
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Speaker 1: believe this? Can you believe this is still happening with
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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 4: I can because there's only so much to do when
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Speaker 4: you're locked up in state prison, so you're doing everything
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Speaker 4: that you can to get out.
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Speaker 3: And I don't.
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Speaker 4: Suspect that he's ever going to admit to this, because
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Speaker 4: that would ruin his chances. As far as the judge
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Speaker 4: granting this see it on temporary victory for him. I
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Speaker 4: don't see it as a real big deal for us
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Speaker 4: because they can test all the evidence they want, and
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Speaker 4: that I encourage them to.
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Speaker 3: I don't. I'm not an attorney, so.
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Speaker 4: I don't have a legal ofb to that I'm confident
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Speaker 4: we got the right guy, and that there's not going
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Speaker 4: to be any revelation when they test anything that comes
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Speaker 4: up that they're allowed to do.
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Speaker 1: I remember every day listening to evidence poor from the
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Speaker 1: witness stand and investigating. Of course, my investigation was just,
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Speaker 1: you know, a pinpoint of what your investigation was, but
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Speaker 1: everything I saw and I was looking at it in
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Speaker 1: the light most favorable to the defendant. Yes, I'm a
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Speaker 1: former felony prosecutor and a crime victim. But the way
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Speaker 1: I tried cases John, as you know, is once I
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Speaker 1: got my case in chief ready, I wanted to look
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Speaker 1: at the case as if I were the defense attorneys,
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Speaker 1: so I could prepare to fight whatever they were going
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Speaker 1: to throw at me. And I did that for weeks
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Speaker 1: and weeks and weeks in Modesta, throughout the area, trying
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Speaker 1: to find the flaw, the hole in the state's case.
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Speaker 1: And I was convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Peterson
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Speaker 1: was guilty. And then, of course more evidence poured from
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Speaker 1: the witness stand, evidence I was not privy to prior
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Speaker 1: to trial. I want you to state on camera, because
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Speaker 1: while you were talking, the control room went to Peterson.
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Speaker 1: As much as I love looking at Scott Peterson in
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Speaker 1: his demand, ponytail, I want you to look in the
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Speaker 1: camera so I can see you and repeat what you
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Speaker 1: just said. When it comes to retesting the evidence and
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Speaker 1: the Lacy Peterson murder, how do you react to that?
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Speaker 4: Well, I react with a kind of nonchalance boredom.
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Speaker 3: If they want to retest it, I'm okay with that.
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Speaker 4: I'm real confident that we've got the right guy because
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Speaker 4: there's so much circumstantial evidence that you can't ignore when
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Speaker 4: it comes to this, and the evidence does also diffuse
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Speaker 4: their claim of the burglary being involved. The burglars committed
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Speaker 4: that crime across the street, but over and above that,
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Speaker 4: when they're trying to talk about whether it's duct tape
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Speaker 4: or at tarp or any of these other things that
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Speaker 4: washed up on the shore with Lacey test at all,
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Speaker 4: it's really not a big deal for me. You have
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Speaker 4: to understand the San Francisco Bay. It's not a saltwater aquarium.
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Speaker 4: It's not clean. It's full of trash. I mean not
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Speaker 4: you know, totally full of trash. But there's all sorts
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Speaker 4: of debris in there that gets tossed in there for
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Speaker 4: a variety of different reasons. So anything that washes up
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Speaker 4: with Lacey can't necessarily be associated with her.
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Speaker 3: Go ahead and test that stuff.
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Speaker 4: You might find that it's linked to some other man
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Speaker 4: or some other person that's in the code of database,
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Speaker 4: but that doesn't mean it's related to her and where
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Speaker 4: she was in the water. So I as far as
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Speaker 4: they're going to have an uphill battle, it has a
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Speaker 4: long hill for them to climb to try and get
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Speaker 4: over the fact that they can't link this stuff directly
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Speaker 4: to her.
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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, you are hearing really renowned detected John Buehler.
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Speaker 1: He was renowned within the ranks of the MINESTOPD and
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Speaker 1: the community, but it was a Scott Peterson prosecution that
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Speaker 1: vaulted him to become well known across the country. John.
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Speaker 1: And I know this is off the top of your head.
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Speaker 1: What do you people ask me this all the time?
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Speaker 1: What do you consider to be the strongest evidence against
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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson?
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Speaker 3: Probably the bodies And here's why.
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Speaker 4: When the remains of Connor were found, they were in
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Speaker 4: pristine condition, which indicates what was described in the autopsy report.
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Speaker 4: That Connor was ejected from Lacey in what was called
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Speaker 4: a coffin berth when the storm came through San Francisco
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Speaker 4: Bay and it started to make the surge underneath the water,
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Speaker 4: Lacey was anchored down in four points with what we
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Speaker 4: believe to be the concrete anchors, the residue that was
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Speaker 4: found on Scott's fertilizer trailer and his warehouse, but over
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Speaker 4: and above that when her body was found, it was
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Speaker 4: a remarkable difference in the appearance of the body because
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Speaker 4: of marine activity, and it showed that the body was
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Speaker 4: in the water between I believe the forensic pathologist said
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Speaker 4: three to.
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Speaker 3: Six months, which, of course four months is.
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Speaker 4: Right in the middle there, so when you have limbs
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Speaker 4: that are separated by the opposition and marine activity or
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Speaker 4: the only other explanation that I heard could have been
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Speaker 4: extreme surgical precision, which of course Scott wasn't a doctor.
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Speaker 4: That shows that the body was put there on the
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Speaker 4: bottom weighted so it wouldn't be discovered. Now, when you
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Speaker 4: want to run down that rabbit hole about the burglary
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Speaker 4: across the street, what burglary is going to abduct a
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Speaker 4: girl and then try and frame the guy that the
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Speaker 4: media is focusing on, but at the same time not
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Speaker 4: leave the body on the shore right there by Brooks
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Speaker 4: Island in Berkeley Marina. Why would a burglar sink it?
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Speaker 4: Why would a burglar wait it? And most burglars I
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Speaker 4: know generally don't have boats. So the condition of the
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Speaker 4: bodies when they were found and how they were found
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Speaker 4: pretty much indicates to me that he did it. You know,
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Speaker 4: there's a whole bunch of other things that we could
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Speaker 4: do two shows on, but that, to me is the
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Speaker 4: strongest thing. And another thing that really kind of struck me,
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Speaker 4: I'll just wrap it up real quick, is his ability
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Speaker 4: to order a double double, which she is a small
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Speaker 4: fry in a vanilla shake, ten minutes after we told
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Speaker 4: him that the DNA results had proved that it was
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Speaker 4: his wife, and this sh.
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Speaker 1: Stop stop, stop stop. Did not know that I was
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Speaker 1: going along merrily with you, going yeah, yeah, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: haven't heard about the double double. If anybody else knows
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Speaker 1: about the double double on this panel, speak up now
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Speaker 1: or forever, all is your pace? Tell me about the
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Speaker 1: double double? Okay, I got to hear this.
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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I've told it a few times and I
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Speaker 4: actually I don't have it with me here because I
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Speaker 4: don't have my notes with me, but I have the
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Speaker 4: transcript because.
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Speaker 3: We wired my car when we were driving back from
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Speaker 3: San Diego.
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Speaker 4: And one of the things that you know, we always
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Speaker 4: have to remember is I was a cog in the
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Speaker 4: wheel of this case. I was one of many people
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Speaker 4: that worked at Craig Grogan. Of course, the lead BROKINI
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Speaker 4: and I there side by side helping them. But it
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Speaker 4: was a team effort with Modesto Police Department and numerous
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Speaker 4: other agencies in California.
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Speaker 3: So I'll just take credit for the reports I did
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Speaker 3: and the things I did on it. But we're coming
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Speaker 3: down off the Grape Line on.
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Speaker 4: Our way into Bakersfield on the way up from San
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Speaker 4: Diego to get back to Modesto.
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Speaker 3: Scott's sitting behind me.
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Speaker 4: I'm driving Craig Grogan to sit next to him, and
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Speaker 4: Craig gets the call that the Attorney General's Office, Bill
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Speaker 4: Lockyer's office at the time, had confirmed that the DNA
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Speaker 4: results on the remains found in San Francisco Bay a
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Speaker 4: couple of days earlier were shown to be Lacy and Connor.
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Speaker 4: Craig tells that to Scott right after he finished the
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Speaker 4: cell phone call and I'm kind of looking in the mirror,
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Speaker 4: Scott makes kind of like a sniffle or something like that.
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Speaker 4: It was just, it isn't the reaction that you're going
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Speaker 4: to get from somebody who on TV.
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Speaker 3: Was telling how much he missed his wife, and.
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Speaker 4: He, you know, had the nursery already for the child.
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Speaker 3: So I just choked it up, chalked it up to
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Speaker 3: the fact that.
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Speaker 4: You know, I knew Scott did it, or I was
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Speaker 4: confident enough in it even though I didn't witness it,
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Speaker 4: and that was the only reaction he could squeeze out
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Speaker 4: on a moment's notice. So fast forward to you know,
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Speaker 4: ten miles or so, we're pull off the Interstate off
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Speaker 4: I five, going over to ninety nine, and we get gas,
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Speaker 4: and I opened up the back door of the car
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Speaker 4: and he's he's in a waste chain with handcuffs at
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Speaker 4: his hips, you know, and he's got a leg iron
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Speaker 4: out of the handcuffs for your ankle, so the chain
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Speaker 4: between them so we can walk.
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Speaker 3: He's not gonna be able to run, so we're not
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Speaker 3: gonna have to chase him like Laurel and Hardy or
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Speaker 3: anything like that.
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Speaker 4: But I'm filling the car with gas, and I asked him.
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Speaker 4: I said, hey, Scott, you know we're going to stop
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Speaker 4: and get a bite to eat. You know, if you
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Speaker 4: want to eat, we'll get you something. You know, big
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Speaker 4: spenders that we are. And he says, well, John, where
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Speaker 4: are you going? Because we're on a cordial basis and
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Speaker 4: always were. I never really had any problems with him
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Speaker 4: other than him killing his wife and his child. But
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Speaker 4: he looked at me. I said, I think we're going
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Speaker 4: to hit an in and out. There's an in and
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Speaker 4: out of eggs that are two up, and he goes.
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Speaker 3: In and out.
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Speaker 4: I'll have a double double with shees a small fryd
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Speaker 4: of vanilla shake. And the reason I remember the order
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Speaker 4: is because that's my order minus at Chess.
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Speaker 3: Because she's only belongs to a Pisa.
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Speaker 4: So I just kind of looked at him and I went,
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Speaker 4: you got it, buddy, and I closed the door, and
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Speaker 4: I thought, who orders dinner right after they find out
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Speaker 4: that their loved ones are dead, And that, along with
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Speaker 4: the condition of the body's pretty much sensed it for
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Speaker 4: me that he whacked both of them.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know how I am about details, John. That
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Speaker 1: would be a double double with che and what else?
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Speaker 4: A small fry and a vanilla shape.
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Speaker 1: So finding out that that was Lacey and Connor that
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Speaker 1: had washed ashore did not deter his appetite.
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Speaker 3: So it didn't.
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Speaker 4: And if you know, you think about your viewers and
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Speaker 4: you know, anybody who has lost a loved one, whether
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Speaker 4: it's you know, through a traffic collision or Nancy what
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Speaker 4: you know, what you experienced, you know many years ago,
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Speaker 4: you know, a death. We just had a recent death
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Speaker 4: in the family for you know, a medical reason and
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Speaker 4: things like that. Food is you know, in the top
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Speaker 4: thousand things on your mind. It's kind of down around
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Speaker 4: the nine eighty mark. You know, you're thinking about a
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Speaker 4: lot of other things. You just kind of don't lose
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Speaker 4: your appet It's a good weight loss program when you
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Speaker 4: lose a loved one because you just don't feel like eating.
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Speaker 4: And so when this came along, I mean, it's kind's
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Speaker 4: different from us. He you know, he's got an incredible
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Speaker 4: amount of self control. He can recover from embarrassment in milliseconds.
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Speaker 4: You know, like even when they were leading them out
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Speaker 4: of Redwood City and they were putting him in the
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Speaker 4: van to take him up to San Quentin. Every once
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Speaker 4: in a while, you guys will play that clip and
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Speaker 4: he'll bang his head on the you know, the doorway
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Speaker 4: getting into the back.
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Speaker 5: Of the van.
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Speaker 4: You know, I'd be embarrassed for years over that, you know.
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Speaker 4: But he just recovers from things so easily. You know,
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Speaker 4: you can put him on the spot and he can
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Speaker 4: think of a way to just disregard it.
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Speaker 3: He's really an interesting guy.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you don't want him to marry your sister
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Speaker 4: or your daughter, but if he was sitting in a
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Speaker 4: restaurant with you, you'd have a good conversation with him.
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Speaker 4: He's kind of like Kerry Stayner, the guy who killed
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Speaker 4: those four women up in he Assembede a few years earlier.
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Speaker 4: We were involved in that case. On the task force.
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Speaker 4: Is Stainer and Scott are a lot alike. They're very likable,
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Speaker 4: they're you know, they're reasonably attractive. I'm not doing the
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Speaker 4: guys all the time, most of them anyway. And he,
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Speaker 4: you know, you'd see him. He doesn't look like a murderer,
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Speaker 4: you know, he just doesn't look like you know, Jack
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Speaker 4: Nicholson in the Shining or something like that. He's just,
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Speaker 4: you know, he looks pleasant and he's engaging. He's charming.
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Speaker 4: You know, he just does all the right things except
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Speaker 4: for killing people.
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Speaker 1: You know what you just said really struck a chord
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Speaker 1: with me about how to matter what you throw at Peterson,
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Speaker 1: He's just got this answer immediately doesn't face him. And
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Speaker 1: here is a perfect example when he is confronted about
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Speaker 1: lying and he immediately comes up with an answer to listen.
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Speaker 6: Call me this elaborate night about her missing and this
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Speaker 6: tragedy and that and that that this will be the
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Speaker 6: first holidays without her.
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Speaker 3: Amber, I got. I don't want to fight with you.
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Speaker 3: You know that.
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Speaker 7: Igedy or missing.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yes, you said you've lost your wife, obviously.
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Speaker 3: Without me staying much. But we will, Yes you did.
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Speaker 5: I did.
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Speaker 8: Scott Peterson's lawyers argue that important pieces of evidence, including
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Speaker 8: a van set on fire the day after Lacey vanished,
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Speaker 8: we're never tested for DNA.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a burrcunity costs from home. You know
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Speaker 3: a lot of people have.
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Speaker 1: And I believe that Lacy went over there.
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Speaker 3: It's to see what was going on.
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Speaker 1: So he is doubling down. He's hunkering down with the
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Speaker 1: burglary theory that this woman who could hardly walk okay
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Speaker 1: in that picture of her in the red by the way, guys,
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Speaker 1: that clip that you just saw from our friends at
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Speaker 1: Peacock and their documentary is face to face with Scott Peterson.
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Speaker 1: You can still stream it. That photo of Lacey in
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Speaker 1: the red Christmas outfit in her maternity party where she
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Speaker 1: had to go sit down at the party. That's picture
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Speaker 1: of her and put her feet up. She couldn't keep
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Speaker 1: standing up at a Christmas party. And I am supposed
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Speaker 1: to believe this woman thinks the woman that can't stand up,
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Speaker 1: I think she sees a burglary across the street and
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Speaker 1: putting her baby, her first child, what could be her
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Speaker 1: only sonwhat ended up being her only son in jeopardy.
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Speaker 1: She went across the street to confront a group of
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Speaker 1: male burglars. He's hungering down on that. In the last hours,
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Speaker 1: a judge and her wisdom has given Scott Peterson a
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Speaker 1: huge golden grab at freedom. Joining me an all Star
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Speaker 1: panel was straight out to Susan Hendricks joining us investigative
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Speaker 1: journalist author of Down the Hill, My Descent into the
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Speaker 1: Double Murder in Delphi. By the way, that trial's about
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Speaker 1: to start. Susan Hendrix explained to me it's twofold that
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Speaker 1: the discovery process which happens at trial. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: go to our special guest choice Latent about that exhaustive
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Speaker 1: discovery on behalf of the defense that happened at trial.
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Speaker 1: Now it's happening again, plus the judges allowing some very
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Speaker 1: complicated scientific testing. But you know what, you explain exactly
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Speaker 1: what this judge has done for Scott Peterson.
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Speaker 9: Exactly, Nancy, and has to do with that penal code
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Speaker 9: one zero five to four point nine, which means he
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Speaker 9: has access his team does to that discovery that was available,
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Speaker 9: as you mentioned during the trial. To reassess to me,
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Speaker 9: this just allows his team to kind of poke holes
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Speaker 9: because one of the items which is allowed. I was
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Speaker 9: looking through what was denied and what was granted. Here
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Speaker 9: are the notes between officers, and I just think that
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Speaker 9: allows someone to come in and poke holes and poke holes.
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Speaker 9: I've seen it in a lot of the trials that
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Speaker 9: I have covered, including Delphi. There go going after the detectives,
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Speaker 9: going after the police department. And it's an honor to
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Speaker 9: be on with Detective John Buehler because something stood out
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Speaker 9: to me what he investigated. He went back to Scott
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Speaker 9: Peterson's home and he said, look, I knew that Scott
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Speaker 9: was going to act the way that he acted.
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Speaker 1: Went in.
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Speaker 9: This stood out to me to Connor's room and what
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Speaker 9: was it? A storage facility? So when Detective John Buehler
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Speaker 9: showed that it was in the documentary American Murder Lacy
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Speaker 9: Peterson on Netflix, there it is Nancy that to me
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Speaker 9: said having a son who's eight, if something happened to him,
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Speaker 9: never would I used the room as a storage facility,
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Speaker 9: much less going in. So I believe Judge Hill did
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Speaker 9: grant what they wanted to poke holes into this.
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Speaker 1: We'll see.
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Speaker 9: I don't think it's going to give Scott Peterson a
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Speaker 9: new trial.
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Speaker 3: In fact, I'm hoping it.
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Speaker 9: Doesn't, but you never know.
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Speaker 1: It is a big win for his side. As you said,
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Speaker 1: John Buehler, did you describe the moment that you went
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Speaker 1: into the home and you know what Lacey and Peterson's
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Speaker 1: home reminded me of. It was like and I've only
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Speaker 1: used this term once before, It's like a little jewel
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Speaker 1: box because Lacey, on her own dime, had just decorated
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Speaker 1: it so beautifully. Everything was always exactly in order. She
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Speaker 1: had seasonal wreaths up. Everything was always perfectly in place,
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Speaker 1: and I Okay, thank you for not arresting me for trespass.
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Speaker 1: Went all the way around the house, looking in every
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Speaker 1: single window, and this was, you know, getting ready for
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Speaker 1: trial because I couldn't go in. You're seeing exhibits that
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Speaker 1: were used at trial. Everything. I mean, I could tell
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Speaker 1: she put so much time and energy into making this
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Speaker 1: house a home. What did you observe when you went in,
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Speaker 1: John Buehler, Well, this is one of.
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Speaker 4: The rare houses that you go into, isn't it active
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Speaker 4: that you don't have to wipe your feet on.
19:01
Speaker 5: The way out.
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Speaker 4: They were immaculate, you know, housekeepers, both her and Scott,
19:06
Speaker 4: you know his he didn't want anybody wearing shoes in
19:09
Speaker 4: his house, and I'm cool with that definitely. But it
19:12
Speaker 4: was the care that went into putting the house together,
19:15
Speaker 4: with the decorations and stuff like that. It definitely had
19:18
Speaker 4: the mark of somebody who was talented at doing that.
19:21
Speaker 4: But Scott also was pretty good about keeping house. He
19:24
Speaker 4: wasn't the typical dude that leaves his you know, socks
19:27
Speaker 4: laying here and his shoes over there, and you know,
19:29
Speaker 4: stuff like that. They took great pride in that, and
19:31
Speaker 4: that was pretty obvious, you know, with Scott throughout it.
19:34
Speaker 4: But it was the contrast between the first visit and
19:36
Speaker 4: then we went back on the second search Mornt a
19:39
Speaker 4: couple of weeks later, days later.
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Speaker 3: I can't remember exectly what the timeframe was.
19:42
Speaker 4: On that, but it was then we found they had
19:45
Speaker 4: a high back office share and a bunch of other
19:48
Speaker 4: items that were tossed into the nursery for Connor that
19:53
Speaker 4: you know, Lacy obviously puts so much effort into and
19:55
Speaker 4: that told the story, you know, just like you said,
19:58
Speaker 4: it suggests that he knew they weren't coming back, But
20:00
Speaker 4: there were a lot of things that he did that
20:01
Speaker 4: suggested he knew they weren't coming back. We could detail
20:03
Speaker 4: those if you want to get you mean, like ordering.
20:05
Speaker 1: The porn channel and trying to sell her car, well.
20:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then talking about selling the house and then selling.
20:10
Speaker 3: The house furnished and things like that.
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Speaker 4: And see, these are all things that you know, individually
20:14
Speaker 4: are not a big deal, but when it comes to
20:16
Speaker 4: trying to film.
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Speaker 1: Oh wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, John, you just told
20:19
Speaker 1: me something else I didn't remember. Not only did he
20:22
Speaker 1: want to sell her vehicle, order the porn channel, used
20:26
Speaker 1: Baby Connor's room as storage before the body had been found,
20:32
Speaker 1: before either of them had been found all this was happening,
20:37
Speaker 1: but he wanted to sell the house furnished, get rid
20:40
Speaker 1: of everything Lacey had bought and arranged, just get rid
20:44
Speaker 1: of it, right.
20:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the thing that kind of struck us.
20:47
Speaker 4: He had a family friend that was a local real
20:49
Speaker 4: estate agent, you know, well respected in the community and
20:51
Speaker 4: everything like that, and he contacted you know, this friend.
20:54
Speaker 3: And said, you know, what, what.
20:56
Speaker 4: Would you think about, you know, selling the house, And
20:57
Speaker 4: then I think it was a couple of days later
20:59
Speaker 4: he talked about what about the option of selling it furnished.
21:02
Speaker 4: And you know, this is all in the time when
21:04
Speaker 4: you guys are covering him and your you.
21:06
Speaker 3: Know, Diane Sawyer's interviewing him.
21:07
Speaker 4: Gloria Gomez and Jody Hernandez and all the you know,
21:11
Speaker 4: the major players like you and the rest of them
21:14
Speaker 4: are talking.
21:14
Speaker 3: To him, and he's talking about when are they coming.
21:16
Speaker 4: Home, and he's you know, putting up flyers and posters
21:19
Speaker 4: and waiting on this. But in the behind the scenes
21:21
Speaker 4: when he's talking about that, and we asked him about
21:24
Speaker 4: that and he said, well, you know, he didn't think
21:25
Speaker 4: he she'd ever want to come home to something that
21:27
Speaker 4: would remind her of going missing. Well, and it just
21:30
Speaker 4: doesn't really fit common sense, doesn't fit logic, it doesn't
21:33
Speaker 4: fit those To me, it kind of points to he
21:36
Speaker 4: had something to.
21:36
Speaker 3: Do with it.
21:37
Speaker 1: Hey, Troyce Layton joining guys Chroyce Layton is renowned defense
21:40
Speaker 1: attorney in la at Slayton Lawyers Chroyce Layton. Why did
21:46
Speaker 1: killer say stupid things like that, like I wanted to
21:49
Speaker 1: sell the house with all the furniture that she had
21:52
Speaker 1: picked out because it would probably remind her of getting kidnapped.
21:55
Speaker 10: Well, that's why I always recommend to clients and any
21:59
Speaker 10: criminal defendant that if you're being investigated, you should exercise
22:04
Speaker 10: your right to remain silent and not say anything to anyone.
22:07
Speaker 10: Because anything that exercise, you're.
22:09
Speaker 1: Right to remain silence. How about exercising in the yard
22:12
Speaker 1: with the other inmates.
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Speaker 10: It can be used against you before, during, and even
22:18
Speaker 10: after your trial. But I think Scott Peterson may very
22:21
Speaker 10: well be getting a new trial here because the judge
22:25
Speaker 10: did what the judge was basically required to do. Here, Nancy,
22:29
Speaker 10: you can't blame the judge because they're given very little
22:32
Speaker 10: discretion to not grant a defendant a review of evidence
22:37
Speaker 10: when somebody's convicted to fifteen years or more for a
22:40
Speaker 10: serious or violent felony.
22:42
Speaker 6: I met Scott Peterson November twentieth, two thousand and two.
22:46
Speaker 6: I was introduced to him. I was told he was unmarried.
22:51
Speaker 6: Scott told me he was not married. We did have
22:55
Speaker 6: a romantic relationship. When I discovered he was involved in
22:59
Speaker 6: the disapparent of the Lacy Peterson disappearance case, I immediately
23:04
Speaker 6: contacted the Modesto Police department. Although I could have sold
23:11
Speaker 6: or sold the photos of Scott and I to tabloids,
23:16
Speaker 6: I knew this was not the right thing to do.
23:19
Speaker 6: For fear of jeopardizing the case or the police investigation.
23:23
Speaker 6: I will not comment further.
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Speaker 1: There is Amber Frye, who has somehow managed to rise
23:29
Speaker 1: above the entire Scott Peterson debacle and go on with
23:33
Speaker 1: her life. She's now a mother. Amber fry was duped,
23:37
Speaker 1: like so many other people were, by Scott Peterson. Listen
23:42
Speaker 1: to this.
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Speaker 5: Ever ever, ever, ever, Hey, happy weird to call you.
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Speaker 1: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Are right there.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I wish you could give me. I'm on the
24:13
Speaker 5: iles that you're there.
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Speaker 3: I'm my yah.
24:16
Speaker 5: The idol power you tell.
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Speaker 3: Unreal figt it's huge.
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Speaker 5: Got ember.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm here.
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Speaker 3: Ever you're there, I can't hear right now. I'll call
24:29
Speaker 3: you on your knear ever ever.
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I hate it. It's so hard to hear
24:43
Speaker 1: when you're like a full four blocks away. Okay, that
24:47
Speaker 1: call was made, if I'm correct, and correct me if
24:51
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, John Buelor during the vigil for Lacy Peterson,
24:58
Speaker 1: Scott Peterson's wife.
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Speaker 11: Is that right?
24:59
Speaker 3: John?
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Speaker 1: Is is that the one made during the vigil?
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Speaker 3: That the visual? Yeah, you're correct, I mean help me
25:04
Speaker 3: out now.
25:06
Speaker 1: After all of that, I hear Scott Peterson doubling down
25:10
Speaker 1: and his whole new legal team with the La Nisis
25:13
Speaker 1: project on the burglary. I guess they think that that's
25:16
Speaker 1: their best bet. In the past, they threw out so
25:19
Speaker 1: many different theories. One was that Lacy Peterson had been
25:23
Speaker 1: kidnapped so the killers the kidnappers could cut baby Connor
25:28
Speaker 1: out of her stomach and either keep the baby or
25:31
Speaker 1: sell the baby. But then, of course, when she was found,
25:35
Speaker 1: baby Connor had still been in her tummy, so that
25:38
Speaker 1: theory was no good. Let's see, then there's a theory
25:41
Speaker 1: she had been kept alive for that reason. That didn't
25:43
Speaker 1: work due to this stage of decomposition. Then there was
25:46
Speaker 1: a theory about a Hawaiian gang. There were just so
25:50
Speaker 1: many theories, but this one seems to hold the most
25:53
Speaker 1: promise for Scott Peterson. And when you look at him
25:57
Speaker 1: saying it, said, aims.
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Speaker 3: To really believe it.
26:02
Speaker 1: So to you, Troy Slayton, you're the defense attorney. How
26:06
Speaker 1: is anyone, including another jury, supposed to believe anything Peterson
26:12
Speaker 1: says when he lies and lies and lies and wait
26:16
Speaker 1: till Buler gets back on the stand and destroys that
26:19
Speaker 1: double double with Chase small Fry and Vanilla Shik.
26:22
Speaker 10: Just because someone's a liar, Nancy, doesn't mean that they're
26:25
Speaker 10: also a murderer. So there are people that say all
26:29
Speaker 10: sorts of things when they're suffering a tragedy, when they're
26:32
Speaker 10: suffering huge emotional stress. And there is no playbook for
26:38
Speaker 10: somebody to act or react when a family member a
26:44
Speaker 10: family member has been killed. I think Scott Peterson in
26:48
Speaker 10: this case may have already been resigned to the fact
26:51
Speaker 10: that his family wasn't coming back. Maybe he had already
26:55
Speaker 10: gone through that part of the emotional rollercoaster that somebody
26:59
Speaker 10: goes through and you've got to eat. He's on a
27:02
Speaker 10: trip from San Diego to Modesto. That's a six to
27:08
Speaker 10: seven eight hour trip.
27:10
Speaker 2: You got to eat.
27:11
Speaker 1: That's not no because John Buehller joining us former detective
27:16
Speaker 1: in the Peterson investigation. I remember really well, the first
27:22
Speaker 1: thing I ate after my fiance was murdered. I don't
27:26
Speaker 1: know how many weeks I had a glass of orange,
27:33
Speaker 1: actually had drank straight out of the jug. I finally
27:38
Speaker 1: was hungry. I lost down to eighty nine pounds, So
27:44
Speaker 1: I know I'm projecting what I went through after losing
27:48
Speaker 1: him onto how I think other people should act. But
27:53
Speaker 1: have you noticed speaking of a playbook, that's a defense
27:56
Speaker 1: attorney's playbook. They always say there is no playbook for grief.
28:02
Speaker 1: But I am telling you that call to Amber Fry
28:06
Speaker 1: that was before the bodies had been found. That was
28:10
Speaker 1: immediately after Lacy had gone missing, So there was no
28:16
Speaker 1: chance as Troy Slayton just said that he had resigned
28:19
Speaker 1: himself to the fact they were both dead.
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Speaker 4: Well, and I got to admire Troy for his skills
28:25
Speaker 4: and you know the way he phrases things, and you
28:27
Speaker 4: know he'd be a great adversary in the courtroom.
28:30
Speaker 3: I'd love to be cross examined by him. I think
28:32
Speaker 3: we could have some fun with it and everything. But
28:34
Speaker 3: he's got a different book than I do.
28:36
Speaker 4: My book is based on talking the victim families from
28:40
Speaker 4: suicide and traffic collisi fatalities, and of course many murders
28:44
Speaker 4: over the years, and there's a very common theme that
28:48
Speaker 4: we found that was consistent through all of that, and
28:51
Speaker 4: Scott didn't meet that. I had a couple that were
28:55
Speaker 4: kind of like Scott, but one was easily cleared which
28:59
Speaker 4: Scott would agree to do, and then another one ended
29:01
Speaker 4: up killing himself as I was trying to get him
29:03
Speaker 4: to do a polly. But they had the same demeanor
29:06
Speaker 4: that Scott did. And and you know, we don't see
29:09
Speaker 4: that very often. Most of the time we see extreme guilt.
29:12
Speaker 4: You know, I'll open my wallet, I'll open my bank account,
29:14
Speaker 4: I'll open my computer, I'll open anything that you need
29:16
Speaker 4: to look at to clear me out so you can
29:18
Speaker 4: go after.
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Speaker 3: The right guy. And Troy's got it right, and he's
29:21
Speaker 3: on the side that he has to do. I just
29:24
Speaker 3: I'm reading a different book than he is.
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Speaker 1: A book. Please close hour back. I want her and
29:37
Speaker 1: our grandson home safely and immediately, so please bring about
29:42
Speaker 1: to US crime stories with Nancy Grace.
29:56
Speaker 12: The Los Angeles Innocence Project has taken on the Peterson
29:59
Speaker 12: case and to seek DNA testing on a piece of
30:01
Speaker 12: duct tape that was found on the remains of Lacy Peterson.
30:04
Speaker 12: The LAIP is also seeking to test items from a
30:07
Speaker 12: burned out van found near the Peterson home the day
30:09
Speaker 12: after Lacy Peterson vanish, an item considered crucial to the
30:13
Speaker 12: defense as a blood snain mattress, which they believe could
30:16
Speaker 12: contain evidence potentially exonerating Scott Peterson.
30:19
Speaker 1: Straight back eye to Susan Hendricks, investigative journalist and author
30:22
Speaker 1: of Down the Hill, My Descent into the double Murder
30:25
Speaker 1: in Delphi. Let me understand number one, Susan Hendricks. The
30:31
Speaker 1: judge is allowing the defense to go back into all
30:34
Speaker 1: the states' files. You describe your fear, this is my fear. Well,
30:41
Speaker 1: it's not my fear. I'm telling you. This is what's
30:43
Speaker 1: going to happen. They are going to see all the
30:46
Speaker 1: different people that the state investigated. Hey, let's look at
30:50
Speaker 1: the old boyfriend. Hey, let's look at the former boss. Hey,
30:54
Speaker 1: let's look at the neighbor. And they're going to take
30:57
Speaker 1: that even though all those people were cleared, if they
30:59
Speaker 1: even exist, I'm giving you examples and turned them in
31:04
Speaker 1: to Chief Suspect number one, and they'll probably look for
31:07
Speaker 1: somebody that's already dead because they won't be here to
31:12
Speaker 1: defend themselves every avenue of investigation, no matter how it ended.
31:18
Speaker 1: Like these burglars across the street, that will be the
31:22
Speaker 1: new defense. So we've got them a going back through
31:26
Speaker 1: all the state's investigation and b allowing testing on I
31:33
Speaker 1: was found in a van related to a burglary near
31:38
Speaker 1: the Peterson home. It's, from what I understand, a burned
31:43
Speaker 1: out orange van and there is a mattress in the
31:46
Speaker 1: back of it that has a substance on it that
31:49
Speaker 1: could be blood. Okay, tell me all about that, Okay.
31:52
Speaker 9: So originally Judge Hill said they could test as I
31:57
Speaker 9: did a show. I did an interview on your show
31:59
Speaker 9: that is about a duct tape that was on Lacy's pants.
32:01
Speaker 9: So that has been tested in July. The results are sealed.
32:05
Speaker 9: The results came back I would say mid August. So
32:08
Speaker 9: now the judge said, look, nothing tied Lacey to that
32:12
Speaker 9: burned out orange van, but they are cross referencing it
32:16
Speaker 9: the investment was investigated as part of the prosecution, So
32:20
Speaker 9: therefore the judge is allowing all of that evidence. The
32:23
Speaker 9: more that she allows to me, as you stated, the
32:26
Speaker 9: more holes that can be poked in that. But I
32:30
Speaker 9: believe I go back to Scott Peterson's behavior. But we're
32:33
Speaker 9: on the testing here, and I remember Nancy, you said
32:35
Speaker 9: to me in regards to Delphi, let them with the
32:38
Speaker 9: Odinus theory, let them test that.
32:39
Speaker 1: It's so far fetched.
32:41
Speaker 9: And as we heard Detective Bueler saying, Okay, they don't
32:45
Speaker 9: have much to do there. Scott doesn't have much to
32:47
Speaker 9: do serving a life sentence. Let them retest it. I
32:50
Speaker 9: don't think any new evidence won't come from this. Again,
32:53
Speaker 9: it's poking holes in everything they.
32:55
Speaker 1: Do have quickly, Susan Hendricks, are they going to get
32:58
Speaker 1: to test duct tape it was found on Lacey's body? Yes, Noah, Yeah,
33:03
Speaker 1: they did in Okay, July, let me go to our experts.
33:05
Speaker 1: Toby Wilson is joining US forensic biologist bloodstain expert at
33:10
Speaker 1: no Slow Forensic Consultations. Formerly worked for the Miami Dade
33:15
Speaker 1: Bureau of Forensic Services Miami Dade, Miami No lack of business.
33:23
Speaker 1: They are thinking dexter there he is right there, Toby Wilson. Okay, Toby,
33:28
Speaker 1: tell me your thoughts on this retesting. What I'm trying
33:30
Speaker 1: to figure out, Toby, is what can be gained from
33:36
Speaker 1: duct tape that's been attached to her clothing underwater in
33:42
Speaker 1: San Francisco Bay for well over a month. What if
33:47
Speaker 1: it shows, as you heard Bueller saying earlier, some other
33:52
Speaker 1: debris has attached to it. That's like, you know, swimming
33:57
Speaker 1: around in a tesspool. Could that be used by the defense?
34:02
Speaker 1: What do you think will be on the duct taple?
34:04
Speaker 1: Let me just start at the beginning, Toby.
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Speaker 11: Well, it's really hard to predict, but with something submerged
34:10
Speaker 11: in water that long, I would be very surprised if
34:14
Speaker 11: they get a DNA profile that is usable.
34:17
Speaker 7: If they get anything at all, the water is going
34:20
Speaker 7: to act.
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Speaker 3: As a dilution and wash away.
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Speaker 11: Factor.
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Speaker 7: And I would look at the duct tate more in
34:30
Speaker 7: terms of fracture matches compared to the role that you
34:34
Speaker 7: just showed that was as soon taken from his residence.
34:41
Speaker 1: You're so smart, you are so smart. You're absolutely correct fingerprints,
34:48
Speaker 1: John Buehler, This may actually backfire on the defense. John Buehler,
34:54
Speaker 1: as you know by now, is one of the detectives
34:58
Speaker 1: who worked with many other wonderful detectives on the Peterson investigation.
35:02
Speaker 1: What if, just what if Peterson's fingerprint is on that
35:07
Speaker 1: duct tape or what if that duct tape matches back
35:10
Speaker 1: to the duct tape found in his warehouse or in
35:15
Speaker 1: his home.
35:16
Speaker 4: Wow, well, I see a couple of things there. Yeah,
35:18
Speaker 4: what a great thing for us to shut all this
35:20
Speaker 4: stuff down. If his fingerprints are preserved on the adhesive
35:23
Speaker 4: side of that duct tape, because they probably wouldn't be
35:25
Speaker 4: preserved on the non adhesive side, that would send shit
35:28
Speaker 4: that he put it on her. But also, if the
35:30
Speaker 4: duct tape is from some shrimp boat fishermen or something
35:33
Speaker 4: like that out of Sauce Alito that has no connection
35:36
Speaker 4: with Lacey because they threw it overboard when they were
35:39
Speaker 4: bringing the catch in, that's going to show that it
35:41
Speaker 4: was just a breathe that washed up with Lacey. If
35:44
Speaker 4: the duct tape construction, the weave of the fibers in
35:47
Speaker 4: it matches, the role of duct tape that you're showing
35:50
Speaker 4: on your video there matches to Scott again, it's incriminating
35:55
Speaker 4: to him. So that's why I throughout all of this,
35:58
Speaker 4: I really haven't had any worries about testing stuff. The
36:00
Speaker 4: truth is going to come out wherever it is, and
36:02
Speaker 4: I believe the truth is going to show, regardless of
36:04
Speaker 4: the testing, that Scott did this, and if anything, it's
36:08
Speaker 4: not going to create enough reasonable doubt to run back
36:11
Speaker 4: into court.
36:11
Speaker 1: Hopefully related to the burned out van.
36:13
Speaker 13: Peterson's team will be able to review a complete color
36:17
Speaker 13: copy of the crime lab file, including all benchnes diagrams,
36:21
Speaker 13: DNA reports, at all documents regarding the testing of the
36:25
Speaker 13: items collected. The judge noted that, based on the cross
36:29
Speaker 13: referencing of the investigation of the two cases, that the
36:33
Speaker 13: orange van was part of the investigation of the offenses charged.
36:37
Speaker 13: Judge Hill ruled in July that a piece of duct
36:40
Speaker 13: tape found on Lacy's pants during her autopsy could be tested,
36:45
Speaker 13: but the results would have to be sealed, according to
36:47
Speaker 13: court filings. These sealed results have been filed with the
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Speaker 13: court in August with.
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Speaker 1: Me longtime colleague and renowned medical examiner, doctor Kendall Crowns.
36:58
Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, it is so critical that the medical
37:04
Speaker 1: examiner handled Debrilight this duct tape with the utmost care.
37:10
Speaker 1: How do you ensure when you're performing an autopsy that
37:15
Speaker 1: it's not the body but items extrinsic to the body,
37:19
Speaker 1: attached to the body around the body. How do you
37:22
Speaker 1: make sure that they are not contaminated.
37:25
Speaker 14: So what we do is when the body is found
37:28
Speaker 14: at the scene, they are wrapped in a blanket that's
37:31
Speaker 14: called a trace blanket. It's a sterile blanket that has
37:34
Speaker 14: kept in a plastic bag just for this purpose. It's
37:37
Speaker 14: wrapped about the body. Then they're placed into the body bag,
37:41
Speaker 14: which is sealed, and then brought to the medical Examiner's office.
37:44
Speaker 14: Body bags unsealed, and then we carefully unwrapped the trace
37:48
Speaker 14: blanket and then any trace evidence, duct tape, hair fibers,
37:52
Speaker 14: anything like that is collected immediately under sterile conditions, placed
37:57
Speaker 14: into envelopes.
37:58
Speaker 3: And then hand it over to the crime scene or
38:01
Speaker 3: the crime lab individuals.
38:03
Speaker 14: So the whole process is you make sure you keep
38:06
Speaker 14: it all sterile and you don't try and introduce anything
38:08
Speaker 14: else into it while you're doing it.
38:10
Speaker 1: Do you wear a face mask while you perform the autopsies.
38:13
Speaker 3: I do.
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Speaker 14: It's the main thing to keep stuff out of your mouth,
38:16
Speaker 14: but also you don't breathe DNA all over the body,
38:19
Speaker 14: but you wear an N ninety five mask, which is
38:21
Speaker 14: a mask to keep out things like tuberculosis and COVID.
38:26
Speaker 1: Okay, Troy Slayton, give me your best shot. I'm braced.
38:30
Speaker 1: I'm sitting down. Maybe I need to lay down. Okay,
38:33
Speaker 1: if you were handling this case, how would you pursue?
38:38
Speaker 1: What avenue would you pursue with the duct tape and
38:41
Speaker 1: with the evidence from the burnout mattress?
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Speaker 10: Every avenue? I'd believe no stone unturned because when the
38:47
Speaker 10: government wants to put a person in a cage for
38:50
Speaker 10: the rest of their life, and you know as well
38:53
Speaker 10: as I do, we've made mistakes before. People have been
38:56
Speaker 10: executed who were later shown to be innocent from evidence.
39:01
Speaker 10: I agree with the detective, and I don't often agree
39:04
Speaker 10: with detectives. Here, let's recheck everything. There should be nothing
39:08
Speaker 10: to hide. We should look at every note, every piece
39:11
Speaker 10: of evidence.
39:12
Speaker 1: Now, how are you going to pursue specifically the duct
39:17
Speaker 1: tape and the items from the van. Don't give me
39:20
Speaker 1: a speech about instant people. Okay, I already know all that.
39:24
Speaker 1: Tell me something I don't know. Have an original thoughts, Layton.
39:27
Speaker 10: It's exactly what you said. We want to check it
39:29
Speaker 10: for DNA. We want to check it against roles that
39:34
Speaker 10: were found in other places. We want to check it
39:36
Speaker 10: for fingerprints. We want to check it for the color
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Speaker 10: and the texture. The FBI crime lab can match a
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Speaker 10: tiny fragment of a piece of tape to other pieces
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Speaker 10: or to a role. They can even tell where it
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Speaker 10: was manufactured and possibly even what store was sold from.
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Speaker 1: Choice Layton, Why don't you admit what the defence is
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Speaker 1: really going to do what you would do, and that
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Speaker 1: is take any detain, no matter how small, how microscopic,
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Speaker 1: how unrelated, Like Bueller just said, from a fisherman out
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Speaker 1: on San Francisco Bay that threw the tape out, or
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Speaker 1: if it got somehow compromised with other matter in the bay,
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Speaker 1: you would use that and run with it and pretend
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Speaker 1: that unrelated person had something to do with Lacy's murder.
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Speaker 10: Then maybe maybe desonerate or maybe it would exonerate an
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Speaker 10: innocent person, or maybe, as a detective said, it will
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Speaker 10: prove his guilt. I don't know, but there should be
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Speaker 10: no fear in testing everything and leaving no stone unturned,
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Speaker 10: so that way we can be one hundred percent sure
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Speaker 10: and one hundred percent.
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Speaker 1: First is not the standard of the law. The standard
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Speaker 1: of law a mathematical certainty such as two intendals four,
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Speaker 1: but you do.
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Speaker 10: Have to be one free of any reasonable.
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Speaker 1: Doubt that's true. Okay, there you see, that's what's going
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Speaker 1: to happen.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: We are waiting for that information to be unsealed regarding
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Speaker 1: the Duck Tape results. But as for tonight, the judge
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Speaker 1: has given a green light to Scott Peterson in his
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Speaker 1: freedom grab. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,