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PST SPECIAL: Conversations with Von Hayes, Doug Glanville, and Bob Dernier · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest
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Speaker 1: running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world, over
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Speaker 1: twelve and a half years strong. In fact, this April
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Speaker 1: it'll be thirteen years of the PSD podcast show. Nobody's
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Speaker 1: been doing it longer than us in the world of
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Speaker 1: Philly sports on a weekly basis.
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Speaker 2: I am Jeff Warren. Hope you're doing well out there.
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Speaker 1: We've got a PSD special podcast this week in place
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Speaker 1: of our Table Talk interview show. I had the opportunity
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Speaker 1: to attend the Redding Hot Stovers banquet out in Berks County, Pennsylvania,
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Speaker 1: last week, where three former Phillies players were on hand
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Speaker 1: to tell some pretty cool stories about their time and
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Speaker 1: careers in baseball. Those former Phillies were none other than
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Speaker 1: Von Hayes, Doug Lanville, and Bob Dernier. I hope you
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Speaker 1: enjoy these conversations and discussions, but I'd also be remiss
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Speaker 1: if I didn't thank the Redding Hot Stovers and their
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Speaker 1: board leadership for inviting me out to their banquet every
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Speaker 1: year to interview players that have really played a part
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Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball story and our beloved Phillies story
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Speaker 1: as well. Over the years and decades, So head on
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Speaker 1: over to Redding hotstovers baseball dot com to learn more
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Speaker 1: about who they are and what they do for the
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Speaker 1: community as they help high school baseball and softball athletes
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Speaker 1: by providing them scholarships. That's what the banquet is all about.
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Speaker 1: So now we're going to hear from one of their
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Speaker 1: board members right off the bat here, and then we're
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Speaker 1: going to be getting into our discussion with Bond, Doug
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Speaker 1: and Bob.
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Speaker 2: Hope you enjoy.
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Speaker 1: We are out in Reading, Pennsylvania right now at the
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Speaker 1: Redding hut Stover's Banquet. We always love being out here.
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Speaker 1: Every year. We're always invited by one of their board members,
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Speaker 1: who I love him because he's a family member. Quite frankly,
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Speaker 1: Josh Tremble, you guys are doing great work. Man, Thanks
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Speaker 1: for having us out here. Jeff, thanks so much for
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Speaker 1: coming again. We always love having you. Always fun love
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Speaker 1: the speakers this year. Tell everybody who we're gonna be
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Speaker 1: hearing from.
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Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna be hearing from Von Hayes, Doug Glanville,
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Speaker 3: and Bob Denier.
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Speaker 1: I have a bit of a time issue here, so
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Speaker 1: I am hoping that I get to talk to and
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Speaker 1: I hope that everybody listening to this podcast right now
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Speaker 1: is gonna have the opportunity to hear from all three
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Speaker 1: of those gentlemen who have the pretty interesting stories in
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Speaker 1: terms of the game of baseball. But more than just
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Speaker 1: these baseball players here, Josh, you all do amazing work
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Speaker 1: at the Redding Hot Stovers. Can you tell everybody what
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Speaker 1: you all do and really what the inevitable goal is
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Speaker 1: for the Redding Hot Stovers.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, We've been around since about nineteen sixty two. Our
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Speaker 3: mission is to promote the game of baseball in softball
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Speaker 3: in the community. Our main way of doing that as
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Speaker 3: we hold a yearly banquet we invite professional ex professional
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Speaker 3: players to come and speak, and we provide college scholarships
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Speaker 3: to high school seniors who play baseball and softball in
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Speaker 3: Berks County. This year, I believe we're giving out ten
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Speaker 3: college scholarships.
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Speaker 1: How much money total with those scholarships, off the top
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Speaker 1: of your head, do you know how much.
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Speaker 3: About fifteen thousand dollars total?
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Speaker 2: It's fantastic.
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Speaker 1: I mean you and I you know, outside of the
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Speaker 1: realm of this podcast, we've talked about how much it
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Speaker 1: means to these high school athletes who are going to college.
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Speaker 1: The stories are important, and I think, as you know,
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Speaker 1: I continue, we continue, the reading community continues to support
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Speaker 1: the reading hot Stovers that it's important to hear about
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Speaker 1: those stories. Is there any particular story, and I didn't
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Speaker 1: give Josh the questions prior to this, is there any
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Speaker 1: particular story that may stand out to you how the
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Speaker 1: Redding hot Stovers really helped somebody from a scholarship standpoint,
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Speaker 1: to really help get them over the hump in terms
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Speaker 1: of getting to college.
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Speaker 3: Perhaps there are a lot of stories in our past.
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Speaker 3: One very specifically about two years ago, when the players
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Speaker 3: provide their their application, they write an essay and one
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Speaker 3: of the essays was about a softball player who grew
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Speaker 3: up and her parents got divorced and she and her
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Speaker 3: mother were homeless for about five or six years during
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Speaker 3: her junior high and early high school career and how
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Speaker 3: she persevered through that ended up graduating with at four
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Speaker 3: point zero went to college. And I guarantee you that
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Speaker 3: scholarship helped her out in along her journey.
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Speaker 2: I know absolutely.
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Speaker 1: I mean, any type of help that you were able
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Speaker 1: to give to folks in that type of situation, it's
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Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna make a significant difference. So as we
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Speaker 1: are going to be talking to some of these baseball players,
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Speaker 1: and I will let folks know that we are going
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Speaker 1: to be talking to some of these high.
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Speaker 2: School athletes as well.
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Speaker 1: At some point we're gonna have them on the podcast
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Speaker 1: very much looking forward to that. What are your parting
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Speaker 1: words here, my friend, I mean reading Hotstovers Baseball dot
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Speaker 1: com is the website for sure, but people should go
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Speaker 1: check out the website. But parting words here, my friend.
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Speaker 3: I think this really helps these players more than just
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Speaker 3: the money for the scholarship. It really is validation for
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Speaker 3: these kids who usually play ten or twelve years of
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Speaker 3: baseball or softball. Not all of them get cash scholarships,
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Speaker 3: but some of them we are just recognizing for winning
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Speaker 3: championships or you know, being Burks County MVP. But in
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Speaker 3: the long run, it really is validation for these kids
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Speaker 3: who have put in a ton of hard work and
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Speaker 3: effort to get to where they are, and we really
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Speaker 3: enjoy celebrating them.
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Speaker 1: He's Josh Tremble, one of the board members at the
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Speaker 1: Redding Hot Stovers.
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Speaker 2: Thanks, my friend, thanks for having us. Really appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Jeff.
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Speaker 2: It is a pleasure to have with us right now.
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Speaker 1: He is not only was he a member of the
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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Phillies, but really an integral part of the Reading
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Speaker 1: Fighting Pills, And I know he's still in communication with
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Speaker 1: that great organization. I go to many games myself with
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Speaker 1: my family, our good friend Josh Trumble, who is just
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Speaker 1: talking to as well. We absolutely love the history that
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Speaker 1: you've brought to the game of baseball. Bob Denier, thank
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Speaker 1: you so much for joining us here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, good to be here.
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Speaker 4: A lot of fond memory if you were blessed with
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Speaker 4: being in that particular era which I was, and late seventies,
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Speaker 4: early eighties, and of course the World Champs in nineteen
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Speaker 4: eighty and playing here in Reading that year that summer,
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Speaker 4: it was a dream come true year for me. That
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Speaker 4: was the year at the end of the season I
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Speaker 4: was called up to the big leagues for the first time.
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Speaker 4: So no better cup of coffee than with the eighty
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Speaker 4: World Champs.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Look, whenever we're talking to former players, the one thing,
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Speaker 1: Bob that I really always liked to ask is how
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Speaker 1: it was when you were young, When you were a
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Speaker 1: young boy and you were starting to learn about the
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Speaker 1: game of baseball and what the game of baseball really
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Speaker 1: meant to you. I was wondering if you could talk
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Speaker 1: about maybe that one moment in your life when you
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Speaker 1: were younger, again as a boy, in terms of the
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Speaker 1: games of baseball, perhaps that light switch moment for you
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Speaker 1: where you were saying to yourself, perhaps inside consciously or subconsciously,
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Speaker 1: this is what I want to do with my life.
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Speaker 2: This is so important to me.
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Speaker 1: Do you have that moment that you can go back to.
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Speaker 4: It's funny you mentioned that, because that's a big part
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Speaker 4: of what I'm going to talk about tonight at the banquet,
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Speaker 4: and because when you reflect, we've all got a different story.
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Speaker 2: Doug Lamville's here, of course.
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Speaker 4: In von Hayes, Doug was the number one pick for
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Speaker 4: the Cubs in ninety one. I believe Vaughn was, I
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Speaker 4: think seventh round for the Indians and seventy nine. I
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Speaker 4: was that guy, an undrafted free agent. I was drafted
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Speaker 4: by the Reds and the old winter draft they had
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Speaker 4: back in the seventies, in the twelfth round of a
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Speaker 4: twelve round winter draft, the bottom of the barrel and
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Speaker 4: the summer they had back then they had fifty or
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Speaker 4: sixty rounds and I never got drafted in the summer,
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Speaker 4: although I was pretty good player in high school. My
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Speaker 4: senior year, I was an All state shortstop in Missouri,
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Speaker 4: But most scouts would tell you, and I learned later
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Speaker 4: that the verbiage was if I caught it, I threw
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Speaker 4: it in the stands, I might be a center fielder.
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Speaker 4: And they were right. So that that's kind of how
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Speaker 4: it went for me. But when I was young, the
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Speaker 4: one gift I had, I felt like I had a
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Speaker 4: bit of a heavenly gift. And I could run, and
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Speaker 4: I knew that, and from the time I was a
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Speaker 4: little boy, could out run everybody, and so in every
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Speaker 4: sport I played, but baseball was kind of my that
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Speaker 4: was my number one sport. I knew that that was
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Speaker 4: the one I loved to play the most. And so
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Speaker 4: when the professional opportunities came, I figured I got to
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Speaker 4: enhanced at and stolen bases became a part of that recipe.
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Speaker 4: And so I kind of took that boat by the
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Speaker 4: horns and kind of created myself, if you will, in
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Speaker 4: that regard. But up until that point, there was a
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Speaker 4: long line of people who didn't believe I'd ever play
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Speaker 4: one day, and I didn't blame them, I even you know,
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Speaker 4: but I always had a something. I always had something
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Speaker 4: inside I think through a pretty deep level of faith
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Speaker 4: and and uh sort of a trilogy there that that
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Speaker 4: if I was given the opportunity, don't underestimate me.
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Speaker 2: That you seize it.
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Speaker 1: You seized upon that opportunity, and that was an important
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Speaker 1: part of your story.
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Speaker 2: It was.
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Speaker 4: And I just felt like that that as a youngster
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Speaker 4: and coming up as an amateur, even if they didn't believe,
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Speaker 4: I did and so and I and I think, eh,
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Speaker 4: I had support from my family, you know that, but
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Speaker 4: even they did not really, you know, until I sort
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Speaker 4: of proved it and then you know the door's open.
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Speaker 4: But there is a lot of truth in that, you know,
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Speaker 4: as a youngster, I don't care if you're number one
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Speaker 4: pick or like me, undrafted free agent. They see it's
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Speaker 4: easy for you. And I could my mom and your
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Speaker 4: mom could go scout Bryce Harper as a youngster and say, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 4: that guy's going to be a good player. But the
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Speaker 4: rest of us are hard to find. And that's baseball.
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Speaker 4: That's what it provides, those opportunities, and that's where great
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Speaker 4: stories come from. Quite frankly, yes, exactly so. But I've
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Speaker 4: always been grateful for that. I think I've stayed in
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Speaker 4: touch with that part of my entered, if you will,
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Speaker 4: my inside beliefs, and again, it keeps giving. Baseball is
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Speaker 4: a wonderful thing. It keeps giving back in my life,
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Speaker 4: and not unlike this opportunity I look at it that way.
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Speaker 1: Fantastic. And as we're moving along with the conversation here, Bob,
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Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of talk about baseball IQ with you.
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Speaker 1: And I've often thought about what separates average outfielders from
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Speaker 1: an elite defensive one, quite frankly, and I was wondering
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Speaker 1: if you could talk a little bit about how center
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Speaker 1: field is as much about instincts as it is athleticism
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Speaker 1: as well with the game. I think it's an underrated
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Speaker 1: type of storyline, quite frankly. How do you train that
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Speaker 1: baseball IQ in that regard? How do you train your
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Speaker 1: baseball IQ in that regard again, as it pertains to
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Speaker 1: instincts and athleticism.
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Speaker 4: Here another great question. You've done your homework, thank you, yeah,
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Speaker 4: because it's really relevant. And I was an infielder, you know,
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Speaker 4: my whole life, the only outfield exposure I had was
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Speaker 4: playing catch with you. You're in the front yard. I'm in
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Speaker 4: the backyard with throwing balls over the house, and so
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Speaker 4: you're working on balls in the air. But I was
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Speaker 4: an infielder. Of course you have pop ups, so you're
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Speaker 4: you know, you're catching every type of ball. But when
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Speaker 4: they moved me to center, although I wasn't overly surprised
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Speaker 4: because I had had whispers that that might happen as
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Speaker 4: a young minor league player, but I still had that
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Speaker 4: you know, I belong in the infield. You know, I
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Speaker 4: play there in my whole life. I played shortstop, a
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Speaker 4: little bit of second base and anyway. So they moved
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Speaker 4: to center and they Ron Clark is I'll talk about
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Speaker 4: Ron later, one of my favorite people. He managed me
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Speaker 4: in the minor leagues, and he saw the good, the bad,
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Speaker 4: and the ugly. And I can come up with some
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Speaker 4: comedy with that later. But the point is when he
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Speaker 4: when he put me out there, he said, look, Bobby,
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Speaker 4: and the way the way you get better is you
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Speaker 4: work when nobody's looking. And so during batting practice, I
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Speaker 4: went out there and I worked on balls off the
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Speaker 4: live bat and batting practice just as if it was
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Speaker 4: a game. And through that repetition I created you know
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Speaker 4: who I later became as a defender. So there's no shortcut.
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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, there's some instinct, no doubt, and an ability
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Speaker 4: to to I Q.
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Speaker 2: Yeah you got.
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Speaker 4: Pete Rose said it best when I remember Pete coming
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Speaker 4: up to me one day as a young player and
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Speaker 4: he said, Bobby, you can't be lucky to be smart.
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Speaker 4: You got to be smart to get lucky. And so
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Speaker 4: you pay attention and I'll make you a five year
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Speaker 4: veteran in about a month, and he did. On deck,
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Speaker 4: I learned about you know, pictures in the league, on
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Speaker 4: pires hitting blah blah blah. But on defense, I had
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Speaker 4: Gary Maddox once I got there to watch as a mentor,
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Speaker 4: if you will, and Gary was very giving, very very uh.
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Speaker 4: He shared a lot in the ways of you know, again,
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Speaker 4: it's work ethic. That's the primary thing, the work you do,
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Speaker 4: and nobody's looking and nobody cares. Really, it's just go
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Speaker 4: do your work. You know, Okay, what do I do?
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Speaker 4: How do I do it?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 4: Well, I created that. I created a game within the game,
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Speaker 4: within the practice.
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Speaker 1: It's such a great it's such a great answer to
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Speaker 1: that question because at the foundation in bedrock of it
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Speaker 1: really is just dedication. Dedication at the end of the day.
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Speaker 1: I think that's what it is.
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Speaker 4: You know, you have to have a want to a desire,
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Speaker 4: and then from there natural you have to have some
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Speaker 4: God given talent I believe, and I parlayed that and
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Speaker 4: and you know, there you go.
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Speaker 1: Well, just just a couple more topics I wanted to
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Speaker 1: dive into with you, Bob.
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Speaker 4: Chick word parlay is kind of a chick word now
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Speaker 4: right with DraftKings and Vanduel or whatever. Exactly like you're
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Speaker 4: parlay out right, so hard work, right when nobody's looking.
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Speaker 4: And yeah, some God given talent without a.
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Speaker 1: Doubt, absolutely look playing in Philadelphia, playing Philadelphia sports professionally,
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Speaker 1: I mean, Philadelphia sports fans are famously demanding, as we
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Speaker 1: all know, not just in the baseball world, football world,
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Speaker 1: basketball world, hockey world.
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Speaker 2: Soccer world.
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Speaker 1: What did playing in Philadelphia really teach you about accountability?
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Speaker 2: Quite frankly, it's I didn't know really how.
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Speaker 1: To ask this question, but like, what did it teach
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Speaker 1: you about, like quote accountability?
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Speaker 4: I knew all about it ahead of time, because I
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Speaker 4: you know, I mean, I paying attention. I'm a sports guy.
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Speaker 4: So what I recall is the Philly fans in relation
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Speaker 4: to me. They were very kind and very understanding. I
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Speaker 4: guess you could say we are good people. Yeah, so
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Speaker 4: I had that side of it. They never booed me.
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Speaker 4: They sighed and they, oh my god, is this guy
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Speaker 4: ever going to learn how to hit?
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Speaker 2: I went through that.
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Speaker 4: I also went through a fan of Vision incident, which
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Speaker 4: is a good one for your podcast in nineteen eighty two.
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Speaker 4: I'm off to a good start. I got in the
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Speaker 4: lineup every day. They couldn't get me out of there
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Speaker 4: till August. I got tired. But I was off to
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Speaker 4: a pretty good, pretty good start in my full time
15:43
Speaker 4: you know, big league experience.
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Speaker 2: I'm playing right field.
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Speaker 4: I got Maddox and center, and I got Matthews and
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Speaker 4: left and I'm stealing bases and Pete Rose is hitting
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Speaker 4: behind me. I got I mean, come on, he got
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Speaker 4: the tiger by the tail. And so they'd put up
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Speaker 4: on fan white lightning in white letters, up on the
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Speaker 4: big fan of Vision in right field. So I started
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Speaker 4: getting hate mail from the brothers and sisters in South Philly. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: oh white, you white that, and you know who cares, right,
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Speaker 4: And certainly we didn't care. In the locker room we
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Speaker 4: don't care. White black American Venezuelan, you know, Puerto Rican,
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Speaker 4: we don't care. Can you play and you hit and
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Speaker 4: you play defense, That's what we care about. So I
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Speaker 4: go to Sards and Maddox I can know I could
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Speaker 4: go to him. Hey, fellas, what do I do with
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Speaker 4: this hate mail? Sarge and his infinite wisdom cocked his
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Speaker 4: la head. He's from southern cal He goes, well, seems
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Speaker 4: to me, the only color lightning I've ever seen is white.
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Speaker 4: Go tell the stating operator, the guy operating the scoreboard,
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Speaker 4: just put up lightning in white letters. Eliminate the white stuff.
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Speaker 4: Two weeks later the male stuff. So I give credit
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Speaker 4: to the start.
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Speaker 2: You know, the.
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Speaker 4: Philly fans had. What they had in that era was
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Speaker 4: a real desire for effort, and they expected to win
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Speaker 4: because they were used to winning. You got to remember
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Speaker 4: seventy six, seven eight, they won divisions, Red's got them,
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Speaker 4: Dodgers got them eighty. Finally the breakthrough and they draw Houston,
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Speaker 4: which was epic, what awesome. And I didn't play in that.
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Speaker 4: Of course I played in September, and so I'm watching
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Speaker 4: that from Afar, and of course the World Series. I
17:37
Speaker 4: grew up in Kansas City. So they're playing my hometown team.
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Speaker 4: So I got this tug war in my heart, you know, like, hey,
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Speaker 4: I want my hometown. They've been battling to the Yankees
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Speaker 4: were beating their butt, Phillies were, you know, the Dodger problem.
17:55
Speaker 4: And so anyway, it all worked out and Phillies won
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Speaker 4: and the right team won, really the team that was
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Speaker 4: paying me, because you have to pull over the team
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Speaker 4: that's paying exactly.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so it all worked out fine.
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Speaker 4: And anyway, the Roles ended up winning again in eighty
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Speaker 4: five finally, and anyway, so the whole bundle kind of
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Speaker 4: comes together with Philly fans understood the two things effort
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Speaker 4: and winning and if you didn't win, at least if
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Speaker 4: you gave effort, they're there right right behind you. But
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Speaker 4: if they saw a little lack of effort, then they
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Speaker 4: will let you know.
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Speaker 2: Still like that today.
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Speaker 4: Fortunately I never had that in my repertoire. I always
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Speaker 4: gave full effort and running it out, you know, you
18:39
Speaker 4: pop it up or your whatever.
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Speaker 1: I think that's why Philadelphia Phillies fans even to this
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Speaker 1: day appreciate you and appreciate your part of the story,
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Speaker 1: your story within the Philadelphia Phillies' history.
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Speaker 4: So remember too, one other thing I'll mentioned Dallas Green.
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Speaker 4: He was our godfather. I had him in the minor
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Speaker 4: leagues as a farm director. He was a manager in
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Speaker 4: Philly in nineteen eighty when I got up for a
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Speaker 4: useful guy off the bench to win it. And then
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Speaker 4: he was a GM in Chicago when I got traded
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Speaker 4: from the Phillies to the Cubs along with a bunch
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Speaker 4: of other guys, which I'll talk about later, but that
19:12
Speaker 4: part of the story needs to be told because in
19:15
Speaker 4: that era, you know, the Phillies had never won, so
19:20
Speaker 4: the nineteen eighty was huge and I had to play
19:23
Speaker 4: here for the reading Phillies no more passionate fan base
19:26
Speaker 4: than in Reading. So I mean, come on, if you know,
19:30
Speaker 4: all I can tell you is if you don't believe
19:31
Speaker 4: in God, I got a message for you.
19:33
Speaker 1: Look to close us out here, Bob, and I appreciate
19:36
Speaker 1: your time here, and I know there's some other folks
19:37
Speaker 1: that want to speak with you here at the reading
19:40
Speaker 1: Hot Stovers banquet. What is the Redding fight in phillis Like, really,
19:44
Speaker 1: at this point, you have a good relationship with them,
19:47
Speaker 1: you're working with them.
19:49
Speaker 2: What inevitably.
19:49
Speaker 4: What do they mean to you, Well, they inducted me
19:52
Speaker 4: into their Hall of Fame in nineteen ninety four. I'm
19:55
Speaker 4: only in three hall of fames. That's it, folks. Not Cooperstown,
19:58
Speaker 4: that's it, folks. My hometown Hall of Fame, the Missouri
20:01
Speaker 4: Sports Hall of Fame, and Reading Hall of Fame. And
20:04
Speaker 4: the Reading Hall of Fame was the one who inducted me.
20:07
Speaker 2: Yeah.
20:07
Speaker 4: First, I was only five years retired, and to this
20:11
Speaker 4: day I couldn't make it up for that induction because
20:14
Speaker 4: I was working and obligated and they understood. But I've
20:19
Speaker 4: so looked forward to coming back here and now here
20:22
Speaker 4: I am in twenty twenty six, and I get that opportunity.
20:25
Speaker 4: So I can't tell you how many fond memories I
20:27
Speaker 4: have here, and I'm going to talk about that tonight.
20:29
Speaker 1: Wish we had more time. Bob, thank you so much
20:31
Speaker 1: for joining us here at the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show.
20:37
Speaker 1: We are now here with Doug Glanville, and I am
20:40
Speaker 1: absolutely an awe standing next to this gentleman who I
20:43
Speaker 1: have admired for so much of my life watching the
20:48
Speaker 1: game of baseball, and Doug, thanks so much for joining
20:51
Speaker 1: us here at Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show.
20:53
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's great to be at the table.
20:54
Speaker 4: Man.
20:54
Speaker 6: You know the steak any steak around here?
20:57
Speaker 2: I wish there was steak right now at this point.
20:59
Speaker 2: But look, as we talked.
21:00
Speaker 1: To various you know, former players and folks who have
21:04
Speaker 1: been around baseball almost their entire lives. I like to
21:08
Speaker 1: first ask about that moment perhaps when you were a boy,
21:11
Speaker 1: when you first were introduced to the game of baseball.
21:15
Speaker 1: Do you have a light switch moment perhaps where you
21:18
Speaker 1: can pinpoint to and say, you know what, this was
21:20
Speaker 1: the moment where I knew that this is what I
21:23
Speaker 1: wanted to do with my life, that this was going
21:24
Speaker 1: to be an integral part of my life, a critical
21:26
Speaker 1: part of my life. Do you have that story that
21:28
Speaker 1: you can share with us.
21:29
Speaker 6: Well, it's probably a couple layers, one of which I
21:32
Speaker 6: have to give my brother credit. I have a brother
21:34
Speaker 6: who's almost eight years older, and I mean, as soon
21:36
Speaker 6: as I could pick up a bat, he's like, you're
21:38
Speaker 6: going outside and let's do this. So he is kind
21:41
Speaker 6: of a lot of the moments. The one thing he
21:43
Speaker 6: did is I remember we had a score book and
21:46
Speaker 6: he wrote on his game plan for my baseball life.
21:49
Speaker 6: And it was basically stops and it was involved a
21:52
Speaker 6: whoop football. We lived on a dead end cul de
21:55
Speaker 6: sac and so we could play like clothes no cars
21:58
Speaker 6: kind of thing. So we had a neighborhood kid. It's
22:00
Speaker 6: coming through stickball, you know, take the broomstick off. Yeah,
22:04
Speaker 6: and yeah, he had mapped out and it worked out
22:07
Speaker 6: pretty well because he had all this time.
22:08
Speaker 2: He was like kind of my first coach.
22:09
Speaker 5: Yeh.
22:10
Speaker 1: So so baseball is a family thing, is what you're saying.
22:13
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, it was very much so. And my dad was,
22:16
Speaker 6: you know, considerably older, had me pretty late in life.
22:19
Speaker 6: But by the time I came along to be like
22:20
Speaker 6: that interested, he was having like neck problems. And so
22:23
Speaker 6: my brother was kind of the guy and uh, you know,
22:26
Speaker 6: I'm five, he's thirteen, but he had me out there
22:29
Speaker 6: and and so I remember that really well, those connections.
22:33
Speaker 6: So probably from a professional standpoint, I was a Philly
22:36
Speaker 6: fan early on. Oh yeah, yeah, and I probably just
22:39
Speaker 6: think powder blue. If I just think powder blue, that's
22:42
Speaker 6: kind of where it comes. And and even before those days,
22:44
Speaker 6: you know had Dave Cash and Mike Schmid and all
22:46
Speaker 6: those guys in the mid seventies, late seventies, and then
22:49
Speaker 6: from there it was all phillies.
22:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, your story is one that I've truly enjoyed following
22:55
Speaker 1: over the years. And you know, you've said before in
22:58
Speaker 1: the past that that you know, fear plays a larger
23:02
Speaker 1: role in baseball than a lot of players and folks
23:05
Speaker 1: would actually admit. You've said that in the past, And
23:08
Speaker 1: I'm wondering what kind of fear shows up for most
23:11
Speaker 1: players and how does that actually manifest itself, whether you
23:15
Speaker 1: want to talk about any personal story of yours or
23:18
Speaker 1: any players that you have known, or just in general,
23:21
Speaker 1: because I think it's an underrated storyline in the game
23:24
Speaker 1: of baseball. Frankly, it's something you've highlighted before in the past.
23:26
Speaker 1: Just wanted to get your thoughts on it.
23:28
Speaker 6: Well, you know, you think of it as a trajectory, right,
23:30
Speaker 6: you've played baseball, But then there's also this quiet timeline
23:34
Speaker 6: behind it, like, okay, so you can get to the
23:35
Speaker 6: big lees, but are you thirty when you get there?
23:38
Speaker 6: And so to be able to have the longevity or
23:41
Speaker 6: just the opportunity, there's this pacing that you kind of
23:44
Speaker 6: are pressured by, and it's quiet, it's in the shadows.
23:47
Speaker 6: I remember when I was traded from the Cubs to
23:49
Speaker 6: the Phillies. And this is nineteen ninety seven, so I
23:52
Speaker 6: was twenty seven going it's twenty eight, And I remember
23:55
Speaker 6: Ed Wade and others saying like, well, you know, he's
23:57
Speaker 6: twenty eight. He has to start become a starter now
23:59
Speaker 6: or it's going to be behind him. So I think
24:02
Speaker 6: there's that moment and then and then it's like you're competing,
24:04
Speaker 6: of course against the team and the other dugout, yes,
24:07
Speaker 6: but you're also quietly competing for jobs with the people
24:10
Speaker 6: in your uniform because like you know, Marlon Byrd is
24:13
Speaker 6: a centerfielder, I'm a center fielder. So is Willie Wilson
24:16
Speaker 6: or so it's Toughie Rhodes or and you're wearing the
24:19
Speaker 6: same uniform. But you're also trying to you know, break
24:22
Speaker 6: in and establish And you know Brian McRae, I was
24:24
Speaker 6: behind him. They traded for Lance Johnson he came in.
24:27
Speaker 6: So I think there's an element of like that pressure
24:29
Speaker 6: and you're kind of assessing, like, well, where I am
24:32
Speaker 6: I in this, And you also realize how fragile it is,
24:34
Speaker 6: because if they want a power hitting center fielder, or
24:37
Speaker 6: if they want a lefty, or if they want. You know,
24:39
Speaker 6: you're also subject to the whims of what the priority
24:43
Speaker 6: priorities are of the team yea, the timing of when
24:45
Speaker 6: you get drafted. All these things come into play. So
24:48
Speaker 6: I think you know you're competitive, you love the game,
24:50
Speaker 6: but you try not to really think about it. But
24:52
Speaker 6: really when that competition heats up, it's you're very aware
24:55
Speaker 6: of how like tenuous it is. So I do think
24:58
Speaker 6: there's an element of why like that fear can drive
25:01
Speaker 6: people in a lot of directions. It could make you,
25:03
Speaker 6: you know, hyper competitive, which is great. I mean, I
25:05
Speaker 6: think it's an element of why players took pedes too,
25:08
Speaker 6: I don't. I think there's an element of that insecurity
25:11
Speaker 6: of it. So so it can be a fuel and you,
25:15
Speaker 6: I say, you try to use it for positive and
25:16
Speaker 6: be constructive about it, but that's not always the case, right.
25:19
Speaker 1: I think that's a great answer too, because I think
25:21
Speaker 1: it's again I think it's an underrated storyline that doesn't
25:23
Speaker 1: necessarily get too too much attention in a very honest way,
25:27
Speaker 1: and I appreciate how honest you were about that. But
25:30
Speaker 1: before I let you go, uh I, I you know
25:33
Speaker 1: you've talked in the past about having to learn to
25:35
Speaker 1: balance authenticity with survival in a culture of baseball that
25:40
Speaker 1: often values conformity. And you've also spoken about how you
25:45
Speaker 1: were seen as different in clubhouses. You've been open about that.
25:50
Speaker 1: How early did you realize that being intellectual in baseball
25:53
Speaker 1: could feel isolating?
25:57
Speaker 6: Draft day, right, I mean it was, yeah, And and
26:00
Speaker 6: I think it's a happy ending because you know, it's
26:04
Speaker 6: one thing when you get drafted and they're sort of like, Okay,
26:07
Speaker 6: you got to like buy into our system. You got
26:09
Speaker 6: to come up. This is how you do it, this
26:10
Speaker 6: is how you swing. You don't have a lot of power,
26:13
Speaker 6: and back in the day when I was drafted, it
26:15
Speaker 6: wasn't like, Okay, you're in the big Lea's the next day,
26:17
Speaker 6: you know you have to I went through four and
26:19
Speaker 6: a half years of minor league baseball as a first
26:21
Speaker 6: round draft pick, So in many ways I was rewarded
26:24
Speaker 6: for that because I had to learn it ten ways
26:27
Speaker 6: to slide or how to run a base hit the
26:29
Speaker 6: cutoff man. Now it's more about your bat and getting
26:32
Speaker 6: there or your your skills. So I think that was
26:35
Speaker 6: good for me in certain ways. But there's no question
26:37
Speaker 6: that you know that that chance of being able to
26:40
Speaker 6: make it, you know, kind of connected those dots and
26:43
Speaker 6: you know. So you know, for me, just like fitting
26:45
Speaker 6: in was partly a survival to be like, Okay, they
26:48
Speaker 6: want me to do this, but at the same time,
26:50
Speaker 6: you know you're bringing something special and unique to your
26:53
Speaker 6: skills or your background. So I think the academic thing
26:56
Speaker 6: initially was much more of a threat because I'm asking questions,
26:59
Speaker 6: I'm trying to and there's this fear like, oh, he's
27:02
Speaker 6: asking too many questions. And I used to be like, well,
27:04
Speaker 6: how can I know everything but ask too many questions?
27:07
Speaker 6: At the same time, I didn't, you know, so but
27:10
Speaker 6: I would say this like there's moments when you know
27:12
Speaker 6: it's very much out of bulldrum too. So remember the
27:15
Speaker 6: scene where Crash Davis is talking to Ebbie Calvin Laloosh,
27:20
Speaker 6: who is you know, Tim Robbins. He's like, you have
27:23
Speaker 6: fungus on your shower shoes, right, Okay, right, So he's like, Okay,
27:27
Speaker 6: in the minors, you're a slob, right, but in the
27:29
Speaker 6: big leaves they'll call you colorful, right. So I think
27:31
Speaker 6: for me, once I got to the major leagues, there
27:34
Speaker 6: was a greater appreciation for like I guess the larger
27:38
Speaker 6: body of the organization that Okay, this could be an asset.
27:40
Speaker 6: The fans are appreciating this because they want their their
27:44
Speaker 6: student athletes to stay in school and focus on academics,
27:47
Speaker 6: and I think it became much more of an asset.
27:49
Speaker 6: So I had to I was fortunate to be able
27:51
Speaker 6: to play the long game to see it become something
27:53
Speaker 6: that was a great strength and seen as they strength.
27:56
Speaker 1: I guess before I let you go to if you
27:58
Speaker 1: don't mind, you know, we are a Philly sports podcast show,
28:01
Speaker 1: and we have so many fans that do listen to us.
28:03
Speaker 1: But was there a moment where the Philly sports fandom
28:07
Speaker 1: really tried you in terms of whether it was patience
28:11
Speaker 1: or you know, you said to yourself, man, these these
28:14
Speaker 1: folks are really passionate. Was it was there a moment
28:17
Speaker 1: that you can talk about, Well, the.
28:19
Speaker 6: Beauty of this is I grew up a Phillies fan,
28:21
Speaker 6: so I was. I didn't really worry about it. I knew, like, Okay,
28:24
Speaker 6: it's gonna be tough, because I'm tough. The thing is like,
28:28
Speaker 6: so growing up through that and then coming along and
28:30
Speaker 6: then kind of wearing the uniform, I knew it was
28:32
Speaker 6: coming my way at some point, right so I think
28:35
Speaker 6: the moment was was definitely later in my career. Eric
28:39
Speaker 6: Milton had a no hitter going, right, and I hear
28:42
Speaker 6: about this one time. Yes, so yeah, So I'm I'm
28:45
Speaker 6: on the bench and I think it's like two nothing game,
28:47
Speaker 6: We're going into the ninth and they put me in
28:50
Speaker 6: for defensive replacement, and I kind of it was not
28:53
Speaker 6: a great game. It was like really glary out there,
28:57
Speaker 6: and I remember Ricky I think Ricky Leda started, So
28:59
Speaker 6: I'm the defensive guys. You know, I'm clearly older enough.
29:02
Speaker 6: So they put me in and there's a pop up
29:05
Speaker 6: in short center. I think Utley was actually playing yea,
29:08
Speaker 6: and he dove. He was like thirty five feet from
29:10
Speaker 6: the ball, and I took a wrong read, you know,
29:13
Speaker 6: And part of it was strategic because I didn't want
29:15
Speaker 6: to get beat over my head. But at the same time,
29:18
Speaker 6: the no hitter was on the line, so I kind
29:20
Speaker 6: of went back and that was a moment I lost
29:22
Speaker 6: to try to catch it, and so nobody was happy
29:24
Speaker 6: about that no hitter gone. Then they hit a ball
29:26
Speaker 6: over my head and then it was a disaster and
29:28
Speaker 6: I actually got a bunt over to move someone in
29:31
Speaker 6: scoring persis I think it was Burrel or Jim Tommey
29:34
Speaker 6: or someone, and then they got the winning run scored.
29:36
Speaker 6: So I did lead to the winning run as a bunch,
29:38
Speaker 6: so I felt good about that. But they were pretty upset.
29:41
Speaker 6: So in that at bat where I bunted La Troy
29:44
Speaker 6: Hawkins was pitching and they threw a pitch kind of
29:46
Speaker 6: at me as I was bunting, and I kind of
29:47
Speaker 6: fell on my back and it was a standing ovation
29:49
Speaker 6: in Philadelphia, so I was like, okay, So they were
29:53
Speaker 6: on me, and but I wore it. At the end
29:55
Speaker 6: of the game, did the interview. It was hard, but
29:57
Speaker 6: I kind of had to own it, and I think
30:00
Speaker 6: that helped me bring it back a little bit. So
30:02
Speaker 6: I kind of messed up, and Jason Stark told me
30:04
Speaker 6: that his daughter was that it was like the first
30:06
Speaker 6: game she was scoring and she was like, I'm gonna
30:09
Speaker 6: score a no hitter my first games. Like no, no,
30:12
Speaker 6: you're not, not, according to me. But I love Philly fans.
30:17
Speaker 6: If you respect the game, you play hard, you know
30:22
Speaker 6: your history, you wear the uniform food pride. I think
30:26
Speaker 6: everybody will you're fine, You're fine. Just to disrespect the game.
30:29
Speaker 1: Some of the greatest fans in the world. And I
30:31
Speaker 1: got to tell you, Doug, it was great talking to you.
30:33
Speaker 1: Thank you so very much for taking the time and
30:36
Speaker 1: enjoyed the evening. Here we are now with von Hayes.
30:42
Speaker 1: It is a pleasure to talk to you, sir, and
30:46
Speaker 1: as I've been talking to Doug and Bob and quite frankly,
30:49
Speaker 1: I have been at the Redding Hot Stovers banquet over
30:51
Speaker 1: the years, and I love asking former professional athletes this
30:56
Speaker 1: question right off the bat, when you were grown up,
30:59
Speaker 1: when you were a boy, can you talk about that moment,
31:02
Speaker 1: that light switch moment for you where you knew that
31:04
Speaker 1: baseball was going to be the thing it was going
31:06
Speaker 1: to be, that moment that it was going to be
31:08
Speaker 1: the catalyst for what you wanted to do in your life.
31:12
Speaker 1: Can you take us back to that moment, perhaps when
31:14
Speaker 1: you were a boy and you you knew it it
31:16
Speaker 1: was that you wanted to do.
31:17
Speaker 5: Well, There's a difference between knowing and wanting. And I remember,
31:22
Speaker 5: I think I was in fourth grade, they asked what
31:24
Speaker 5: do you want to be when you grow up? You
31:26
Speaker 5: know people are putting doctors, you know, policemen, this, that
31:29
Speaker 5: and the other thing. And I wrote right on there
31:31
Speaker 5: major League baseball player, whether I believe that now that
31:35
Speaker 5: that that faded probably in the fifth or sixth grade.
31:38
Speaker 5: But the realization that I had a chance it really
31:42
Speaker 5: didn't come till I think my sophomore year of college,
31:45
Speaker 5: which is pretty late. But I was still bouncing around
31:48
Speaker 5: not knowing really what type of player I was going
31:51
Speaker 5: to be. I was actually recruited to pitch out of
31:54
Speaker 5: high school and gave that up into my sophomore year.
31:58
Speaker 5: Played third base my sophomore year and then switched over
32:01
Speaker 5: to first and then got and then got drafted. But
32:05
Speaker 5: the Phillies were always kind of part of things in
32:07
Speaker 5: my life, even back then because before before the season
32:12
Speaker 5: in college, we used to we used to play exhibition
32:14
Speaker 5: games against different teams, and one of the teams was
32:17
Speaker 5: the Philadelphia Rookies. So so ever, all the Phillies, whether
32:21
Speaker 5: major league or minor leagues, uh, they would put a
32:24
Speaker 5: team together and they'd play. So I remember getting a
32:28
Speaker 5: hit off Warren Brewster, who had already already been in
32:30
Speaker 5: the big leagues, and I'm a college player and I
32:32
Speaker 5: hit a triple off him, and I'm staying on third base,
32:35
Speaker 5: and I'm thinking, hey, I should be in the big
32:37
Speaker 5: leagues if I got to hit off that guy.
32:39
Speaker 2: So uh.
32:40
Speaker 5: And Warren's actually a friend of mine now and every
32:43
Speaker 5: time I see him, I thank him.
32:44
Speaker 1: That's great, what a great story. But look, you know,
32:47
Speaker 1: when you were traded to the Phillies as part of
32:49
Speaker 1: that you know, five for one deal, I'm wondering, did
32:52
Speaker 1: you immediately feel like you were kind of carrying the
32:55
Speaker 1: weight of that entire trade on your shoulders. I'm sure
32:58
Speaker 1: you've been asked this before, and and at what point
33:00
Speaker 1: in your career did you realize that, you know, fans
33:03
Speaker 1: weren't just necessarily evaluating your field performance, but what you
33:08
Speaker 1: actually symbolized because of that trade.
33:11
Speaker 2: Yeah.
33:11
Speaker 5: I mean when I first got traded, it didn't even
33:15
Speaker 5: hit me that, you know that. Really it was more
33:18
Speaker 5: just a realization of an opportunity and wasn't worried about
33:23
Speaker 5: didn't feel the pressure of the trade, the amount of guys,
33:26
Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff. The pressure really didn't hit
33:29
Speaker 5: me until that spring. I mean, it was tough enough
33:32
Speaker 5: walking into a clubhouse, five hall of famers, you know.
33:36
Speaker 5: But but what what I was I was pretty confident,
33:39
Speaker 5: very very cocky back back then. You have to be
33:43
Speaker 5: a young player coming.
33:44
Speaker 2: Up, you know, and you have to have a chip
33:46
Speaker 2: on your shoulder.
33:46
Speaker 5: Yeah, you got to be confident. And I had all that,
33:50
Speaker 5: and uh, but I'd never been injured in my career,
33:52
Speaker 5: you know, three years of pro ball, a year and
33:55
Speaker 5: a half in the big leagues, already had a really
33:57
Speaker 5: good rookie year, never been hurt. And the second game
34:01
Speaker 5: I played in spring training, I blew out a quadrcep
34:04
Speaker 5: muscle and I was out the whole spring and part
34:07
Speaker 5: of the part of the first part of the season.
34:09
Speaker 2: So what did that do to you from a mental standpoint?
34:12
Speaker 2: Can you get into that at all?
34:13
Speaker 5: Well, that's that's what made that's what made the pressure
34:15
Speaker 5: of the trade and everything really come to light and
34:18
Speaker 5: start to weigh heavy on me. Was okay, now not
34:21
Speaker 5: only I have to, you know, prove myself in this trade,
34:24
Speaker 5: I got to do it right now. I mean, I've
34:26
Speaker 5: already missed the part of the season, the expectations, and
34:30
Speaker 5: I don't know, it just kind of gave me too
34:31
Speaker 5: much time to think about it, and that whole year
34:35
Speaker 5: was kind of like getting off on the wrong foot,
34:37
Speaker 5: never getting never getting right again. So it was I
34:40
Speaker 5: was the first one a mid eight nineteen eighty three
34:42
Speaker 5: was It was a very difficult year for me, both
34:44
Speaker 5: physically and mentally.
34:47
Speaker 1: You are, though, you know, a part of Philadelphia Phillies
34:50
Speaker 1: baseball history, you know, like it or not, and it's
34:53
Speaker 1: always an honor to talk to folks in that capacity.
34:56
Speaker 1: And I look at baseballs as a sport, of course
35:00
Speaker 1: many of us have that have changed so much over
35:02
Speaker 1: the decades. And I'm wondering, do you think that fans
35:05
Speaker 1: sometimes miss the full story of a player by focusing
35:09
Speaker 1: only on like batting averages, RBIs, stolen bases, home runs.
35:13
Speaker 2: Et cetera.
35:14
Speaker 1: And if so, what needs to be a greater part
35:17
Speaker 1: of the baseball conversation when US fans are really focusing
35:21
Speaker 1: on the players here?
35:23
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I mean, that's like a fifteen part question.
35:26
Speaker 2: It really is. Sorry, but no, I.
35:29
Speaker 5: Mean there's different there's no definition of a fan. You know,
35:34
Speaker 5: fans are different every part of the country. And these
35:37
Speaker 5: fans are very knowledgeable. I mean, you know, do you
35:42
Speaker 5: like getting booed? Do you like you know, getting put
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Speaker 5: out there? It's tough sometimes, but I think the fans
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Speaker 5: need to realize that a lot of times we're booing
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Speaker 5: ourselves way before they even get to us.
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Speaker 2: That's an interesting concept for sure.
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Speaker 5: So I mean, I don't think the fans were tougher
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Speaker 5: on me than I was on my and you know,
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Speaker 5: that may be a good thing, maybe a bad thing,
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Speaker 5: I don't know. But it was never easy. It was
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Speaker 5: always in the in the back, you know, of your mind.
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Speaker 5: But in some ways it was a good thing because
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Speaker 5: once once you got hot, once you started playing, well,
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Speaker 5: you didn't give that up too easy. You you wanted
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Speaker 5: to really get after it and and not not allow
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Speaker 5: you know, that situation and percent itself again. So in
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Speaker 5: some ways it carried me, carried me, and I accomplished
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Speaker 5: some things on the field that I probably would have
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Speaker 5: never accomplished if it wasn't for the you know, tough parent.
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Speaker 1: That's a great way to uh call them the tough
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Speaker 1: parent for sure. Von Hayes again, thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for joining us here on the podcast and thanks for
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Speaker 1: coming to the Running Hot Stovers really appreciate it.
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Speaker 5: Yep, thanks for having me.
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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed our PST special podcast this week.
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Speaker 1: We are going to be uploading, of course, our Opposition
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Speaker 1: Territory podcast this week as well as our regular show
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Speaker 1: as well. We're gonna be getting into some Eagles post
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Speaker 1: mortem that'll be uploaded on Thursday. So with that being said, folks,
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Speaker 1: you can search out the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show
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Speaker 1: You can go deep into the archives check out previous
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Speaker 1: shows as well. Again, thank you to the Redding Hot Stovers,
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Speaker 1: they're board members. Thank you to Von Hayes, Doug Glanville,
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Speaker 1: Bob Dernier, and everybody.
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Speaker 2: Else who was out there.
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Speaker 1: It was a great, great time, so very fortunate to
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Speaker 1: have had the opportunity.
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Speaker 2: Take care of folks. We'll catch you next time.