Latest / Stories That Live In Us / Fifty Nifty United States (with Lisa Elzey) | Episode 119
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- 0:00Crista Cowan: And so when she came on to tell her Indiana deeply rooted story, uh it was brand new information to me.
- 0:07Crista Cowan: And I think that's what I loved the most was that this was a piece of history that I had literally never heard about before.
- 0:16Crista Cowan: And then it always makes me wonder what other things exist in people's family trees that are kind of a big deal in history that I have never heard about before.
- 0:26Crista Cowan: Stories That Live in Us is a podcast that inspires you to form deep connections with your family, past, present, and future.
- 0:34Crista Cowan: I'm Crista Cowan, known online as The Barefoot Genealogist.
- 0:38Crista Cowan: Counting down to the upcoming celebration of America's 250th birthday, you'll meet families from each state whose stories are woven into the very fabric of America.
- 0:49Crista Cowan: Tales of immigration, migration, courage, and community that remind us that when we tell our stories, we strengthen the bonds that connect us.
- 0:58Crista Cowan: So join me for season two as we discover from sea to shining sea the stories that live in us.
- 1:05Crista Cowan: Well, we did it.
- 1:07Crista Cowan: We made it to the end of season two.
- 1:09Crista Cowan: But before we dive straight into season three, which we're ready for, we wanted to take a little time to do a retrospective about our season two and the trip we took across this country from Sea to Shining Sea, and maybe revisit some of our favorite moments and give you a little bit of behind the scenes from our favorite episodes.
- 1:33Crista Cowan: I've invited my producer Lisa to join me.
- 1:37Crista Cowan: Most of you probably know her.
- 1:40Crista Cowan: She has been a guest on several episodes.
- 1:42Crista Cowan: But week after week, she sits here in the corner of the studio and she listens to me have these conversations with my guests.
- 1:50Crista Cowan: She listens to me tell my own stories, and then she goes home and she listens to them all over again because she's not just the producer of this podcast, she is also the editor.
- 2:00Crista Cowan: And it wouldn't happen without her.
- 2:02Crista Cowan: And I'm so grateful for her and for all the work she puts into this podcast.
- 2:06Crista Cowan: And so I'm thrilled that you get to meet her, that she's willing to come in front of the camera and have this conversation with me because believe me, she has her favorite episodes too.
- 2:16Crista Cowan: So, Lisa, thank you for joining me.
- 2:18Crista Cowan: Hi, I'm so glad you're here.
- 2:20Crista Cowan: Hi, I'm too.
- 2:21Crista Cowan: We've had so much fun this season.
- 2:23Crista Cowan: It has been a ride and a blast.
- 2:25Crista Cowan: It's been great.
- 2:26Crista Cowan: So before we dive in and talk about our favorite episodes from the season, just looking back at like the season as a whole, what are some of like the themes or the lessons you learned from producing all 50 of these episodes?
- 2:41Lisa Elzey: Okay.
- 2:41Lisa Elzey: Well, before I give it into that bit, I honestly want to say this was your baby and your idea because season two was coming.
- 2:50Lisa Elzey: We knew 250 was the thing, like it's a thing.
- 2:54Lisa Elzey: And we didn't want to not do something about it.
- 2:57Lisa Elzey: And when you said, I really want to do this, which is what we did, I was not skeptical.
- 3:04Lisa Elzey: I knew we could, but I knew it would be a sandbox that we'd have to play in that was pretty tight.
- 3:11Lisa Elzey: Yeah.
- 3:12Lisa Elzey: So that's the first lesson I learned is that stories could be found anywhere.
- 3:18Lisa Elzey: Yes.
- 3:18Lisa Elzey: But sometimes they're going to be a little harder to find, depending on the boundaries that you set for yourself, but not with the United States, because there's so many people, there's so many angles to take.
- 3:31Lisa Elzey: And that's the other thing that I loved is that it didn't have to be the history of the state and how does your ancestor fit into the history of the state.
- 3:39Lisa Elzey: It could have been as light as we had an episode where someone's grandparent passed away in a state, and they have a memory of that state so synonymous with that funeral and her passing and what they discovered there in our Arizona episode, or we have something as like meaty as a revolutionary war patriot from this state, you know, all the way to a 250 kind of episode.
- 4:03Lisa Elzey: So as long as I knew that we could go as much as broadly as we needed to, I felt way more confident that we could fulfill your request.
- 4:13Crista Cowan: Because I didn't just tell you we were going to tell a story from each one of the 50 states.
- 4:17Crista Cowan: I also decided we should do it in a specific order.
- 4:21Lisa Elzey: Yes, you did.
- 4:22Lisa Elzey: And it was the backwards order, which I thought was kind of fun, but that meant we had to do Hawaii first.
- 4:28Lisa Elzey: And luckily, you knew someone who was from Hawaii because I was like, Hawaii, okay, we got to find a Hawaiian story.
- 4:36Lisa Elzey: And um, so it kind of started out with a who you knew to get us going, and then we kind of branched out from there.
- 4:43Lisa Elzey: But what I really loved the most, I think just the overall with finding stories for this season was just the variety of people and the the kinds of stories they were excited to share.
- 4:56Crista Cowan: You know, when we started the season, we did have to source stories based on the state from people we knew.
- 5:03Crista Cowan: But as we got rolling and people understood, oh, they knew what was coming next because we were doing it in the reverse order of when they were granted statehood, and people started anticipating, like, oh, like I can't wait till you get to my state and what story you're gonna tell.
- 5:17Crista Cowan: But we also had people approaching us to say, when when you get to that state, could could I be your guest?
- 5:22Crista Cowan: Could you tell my story?
- 5:23Lisa Elzey: Yes, we had people pitching us saying, I have a great story to tell, or I know someone that does.
- 5:29Lisa Elzey: You should call or contact so-and-so.
- 5:31Lisa Elzey: Um, we had people saying, uh, we had people with books that had my, you know, uh people that were agents for books saying my author wrote a book about this and that.
- 5:40Lisa Elzey: So that was exciting.
- 5:41Lisa Elzey: I think we had more than that, more this season than the first season, which is always awesome.
- 5:46Crista Cowan: It is super fun.
- 5:46Crista Cowan: Okay, well, so you and I have each picked our five favorite episodes from this season.
- 5:52Lisa Elzey: Yes, and I would say five favorite interviews, not favorite guests because I just want everyone to know the disclaimer because I loved all of our guests for different reasons.
- 6:02Lisa Elzey: And I don't like picking because as we were going through this list, I'm like, oh, but I love the and it was like, and I hate the phrase picking your favorite child because that's not what it is.
- 6:11Lisa Elzey: It was just I have such fond memories of editing or or getting the pictures or hearing you talk about what your thoughts were.
- 6:19Lisa Elzey: There's just or getting feedback from people who were listening to the episodes.
- 6:23Lisa Elzey: Yes, and that honestly comments when we read people's comments, or um, or I there was one I remember that wrote you a really long letter almost where it like changed her life when she listened to it.
- 6:35Lisa Elzey: And but that's really what this is all about is the ability to go into someone's story and then share it with someone else, and hopefully it touches their heart.
- 6:44Lisa Elzey: And so that's what I want to just disclaimer.
- 6:46Lisa Elzey: These are five of our favorite interviews, and for whatever reasons, yeah, but gosh, 50 of these stories, 50, all 50 were just so great.
- 6:54Crista Cowan: They were, yeah, they were absolutely okay.
- 6:55Crista Cowan: So we're going to run through our favorites in the order that they aired, um, which means I get to go first.
- 7:02Crista Cowan: So uh one of my favorite episodes this season was Alaska, which was the second episode of the season.
- 7:09Crista Cowan: Um, my neighbor who lives just around the corner from me, his name is Jay, and he is from Alaska.
- 7:14Crista Cowan: He grew up in Alaska, and he not only told just this like vivid story about Alaska that helped me picture it in a way that, I mean, I've been there twice, but I still was able to just see it through his eyes, which I loved.
- 7:29Crista Cowan: He talked about sourdough and brought sourdough starter with him and gifted you and I each a thing of sourdough starter that is a 150-year-old sourdough starter.
- 7:42Crista Cowan: And it sat in my fridge for about a month because I was terrified because I've never done sourdough before.
- 7:49Crista Cowan: And so for that month, here's what I did: I watched videos and I read blog posts and I bookmarked recipes that I found on Facebook.
- 8:01Crista Cowan: And then I finally got brave and I took the sourdough starter out and I fed it, and it rose, and then I baked my first loaf of bread and it worked, and I was so amazed.
- 8:15Crista Cowan: And I can't even describe the feeling of like being successful at something that I had perceived as being so hard, and it kind of is a little hard.
- 8:26Lisa Elzey: No, there's no perception.
- 8:27Lisa Elzey: Flat out is hard.
- 8:29Lisa Elzey: Okay, pause.
- 8:30Lisa Elzey: We gotta pause.
- 8:31Lisa Elzey: The listener, viewer, we're pausing because I I have I have feelings, I have thoughts.
- 8:36Lisa Elzey: So we were watching this whole at work, this whole journey of you discovering things.
- 8:41Lisa Elzey: And then you would say something like, I got such and such thing on Amazon for my blah blah blah blah that I need to do with the sourdough.
- 8:47Lisa Elzey: I I don't even know the words, the fucking thing.
- 8:49Crista Cowan: You gotta scale the proof.
- 8:51Crista Cowan: I got yes, I got proofing baskets.
- 8:53Lisa Elzey: I don't know what that says, but sounds great.
- 8:55Lisa Elzey: Yes, and you got all the the like knickk-knacks, uh-huh.
- 8:58Lisa Elzey: And then, and then you made your first loaf.
- 9:00Crista Cowan: And then I made my first loaf of bread.
- 9:02Crista Cowan: And that was magical.
- 9:03Crista Cowan: It was magical.
- 9:04Crista Cowan: And it not only was magical, it started me on this journey because it's now been almost a year, and I am now a sourdough baker.
- 9:12Crista Cowan: Like I literally have a routine where every Saturday I pull the sourdough out and I feed it, and then I feed it again on Sunday after church and put put it back in the fridge and then take my little part out and let it do its thing.
- 9:28Crista Cowan: And then I make dough on Saturday nights.
- 9:30Crista Cowan: And when I'm on the phone with my dad for our Sunday night call, I do our little, I do my little stretch and folds every half hour, and then I let it bulk proof overnight.
- 9:41Crista Cowan: And then Monday mornings I get up and we get on our team call and I take our team call from um home almost every Monday morning because I have to like shape my sourdough loaves and get them ready for cold proofing.
- 9:55Crista Cowan: And then I stick them in their little baskets and I put them in the fridge.
- 9:57Crista Cowan: And then on either Tuesday mornings or Wednesday mornings before work, I bake.
- 10:01Crista Cowan: And I usually now I'm in the habit of baking between two and four loaves at a time.
- 10:06Crista Cowan: I just love that I have some for myself and some to give away.
- 10:10Crista Cowan: And it's just become this like rhythm of my life, this 150-year-old sourdough starter that we benefit from.
- 10:18Crista Cowan: Because apparently I am in my sourdough era.
- 10:21Lisa Elzey: Sourdough era.
- 10:21Lisa Elzey: But it's so fun.
- 10:22Lisa Elzey: And what I do love about that, aside from the sourdough part, is traditions become a part of us when we choose to take them on, like the mantle of that, and then the consistency of that, it was just a great way to kick off the, you know, our second episode, kicking off that whole like feeling of the season.
- 10:39Crista Cowan: Yeah, yeah.
- 10:40Crista Cowan: And there was also this interesting thing that happened.
- 10:42Crista Cowan: So, because of the order in which we did these episodes, um, the episodes in the West like had a very different feeling than the episodes in the Midwest, and had a very different feeling than the episodes on the East Coast.
- 10:56Crista Cowan: And so every state kind of has its own unique flavor, but there were some themes around that.
- 11:01Crista Cowan: So we get to your first favorite on your list.
- 11:06Lisa Elzey: Yes, which is Utah.
- 11:07Lisa Elzey: I loved the Utah episode, and that was with our friend Michelle Urkenbreck.
- 11:11Lisa Elzey: Michelle is near and dear to my heart, she's a very dear friend of mine.
- 11:14Lisa Elzey: I am here at Ancestry because of Michelle.
- 11:17Lisa Elzey: And um, I will forever, forever be grateful for my journey here because of her, and uh on all the things that she's taught me and continues to teach me.
- 11:27Lisa Elzey: She's a magnificent storyteller.
- 11:29Lisa Elzey: She is.
- 11:30Lisa Elzey: She knows the parts of a story and what makes a good story, and she uh reminded me of those things in family history.
- 11:38Lisa Elzey: And uh I just love her for that.
- 11:39Lisa Elzey: And so when we talked about who should be Utah, it's not like we didn't have 900 people to choose from.
- 11:46Lisa Elzey: Right.
- 11:46Lisa Elzey: We could have chosen so many people to come and talk about their family history.
- 11:50Lisa Elzey: You could have spoken about your own.
- 11:52Lisa Elzey: It would have been easy to get someone in the office.
- 11:55Lisa Elzey: But we knew that Michelle would have been the right choice because she's a great storyteller.
- 11:59Lisa Elzey: The thing that I wanted her to talk about, and I think you did too, was the story that she had a connection to was the Willie Martin Handcart Company.
- 12:09Lisa Elzey: And if you haven't listened to the episode, it's a a group of people that came west to Utah and they came a little too late and they got trapped in Wyoming in the weather.
- 12:19Lisa Elzey: Some really horrible things happened, many died, they had to be saved.
- 12:24Lisa Elzey: It was just a horrible situation.
- 12:25Lisa Elzey: And there are many diaries that are written about that experience.
- 12:28Lisa Elzey: So that's the one thing those pioneers especially were really good at was writing about their experiences.
- 12:34Lisa Elzey: They wrote their stories down so we didn't have to guess how they felt.
- 12:38Lisa Elzey: They told us.
- 12:38Lisa Elzey: And so I do not have any Mormon pioneer heritage at all.
- 12:44Lisa Elzey: And but I have heard this Willie Martin Hankart story all the time.
- 12:49Lisa Elzey: So anytime Pioneer Day would come around, Pioneer Day is the founding of Utah as estate, July 24th.
- 12:55Lisa Elzey: But it would always come around because it's about the pioneers coming and we talk about the hard things, and that story always was brought up.
- 13:01Lisa Elzey: Yes.
- 13:02Lisa Elzey: And people almost would wear it as a badge of honor, kind of like, I have an ancestor from this, they survived and they they were resilient and as they should.
- 13:12Lisa Elzey: But it was just a story that I was very familiar with growing up, um, you know, hearing it.
- 13:17Lisa Elzey: And but what I loved about this episode, in my head, I was like, it's gonna be Willie Martin, I already know it, but I love Michelle and she tells a great story, it's gonna be great.
- 13:26Lisa Elzey: So I'd already kind of decided in my head what kind of of you know story it was gonna be.
- 13:31Lisa Elzey: It totally was not that.
- 13:33Lisa Elzey: It was a completely different way of telling it because my friend who has a degree in family history from Brigham Young University, sorry, Michelle, did not know she had an ancestor who was in the Willie Martin Hanker Company.
- 13:50Lisa Elzey: Right.
- 13:50Crista Cowan: Because when you have a million pioneers on every branch of your family tree, you have to focus on some of them.
- 13:56Lisa Elzey: Yes.
- 13:56Lisa Elzey: And so I I just was so like shocked by that.
- 14:00Lisa Elzey: So she's telling her discovery story, and I was totally drawn in.
- 14:04Lisa Elzey: And I hope our listeners and our viewers were too, because it was it was surprising, but it was also beautiful the way she was telling the story.
- 14:12Lisa Elzey: Another thing I love about Michelle is her feelings are so right at the surface at any given moment.
- 14:19Lisa Elzey: She's a tender so and um she felt those feelings of those moms that were burying their babies, or she felt those feelings of of woe and and sadness and desperation.
- 14:34Lisa Elzey: And yeah, she felt that and she felt it in their words on the page.
- 14:40Lisa Elzey: She felt it just in the in the place, and she would have the opportunity to go there and she has children of her own.
- 14:45Lisa Elzey: Just I don't know, I was just swept up in it, and her crying, and then you crying because she's crying, and I'm crying.
- 14:53Lisa Elzey: I'm like, and I don't cry easy.
- 14:56Lisa Elzey: You don't I'm not an easier cry, and I'm not trying to be like, I don't cry easy, but I don't.
- 15:00Lisa Elzey: And so when I'm teary, it's because I'm watching two of my dear friends, and I'm probably gonna get teary now, but watching two of my dear friends like connect and have this beautiful moment of like story, and then having you surprise her and tell her, Oh, by the way, no spoiler over.
- 15:21Lisa Elzey: If you haven't listened to the story, push pause, go listen to the episode.
- 15:25Lisa Elzey: Um, but have you tell her, oh, my my person, I found out, went and saved your person from the snow.
- 15:33Lisa Elzey: And then we guys, we had to push pause.
- 15:36Lisa Elzey: We had too many tears.
- 15:37Lisa Elzey: It was like we had to blow noses, it was gross.
- 15:41Lisa Elzey: We had to, it was just too much because it was like, oh my gosh, and she didn't know that.
- 15:46Lisa Elzey: And then you like were able to share that with her in real time.
- 15:50Lisa Elzey: And it wasn't like a gotcha, but it was a real thing that you had just barely discovered.
- 15:54Crista Cowan: I had gone looking for because I knew a little bit about what story she was gonna share.
- 15:59Crista Cowan: Yeah.
- 15:59Crista Cowan: And and I I it had never occurred to me to look to see if my ancestors had been involved.
- 16:07Crista Cowan: Like I knew they hadn't come across in the Martin and Willie handcart company, but I also knew the story, because we've heard it our whole lives, about the men who were sent to rescue them.
- 16:17Crista Cowan: Yes.
- 16:17Crista Cowan: And it had never occurred to me to look to see did anybody in my family tree participate in that?
- 16:22Crista Cowan: So I went looking for it intentionally before that episode.
- 16:26Crista Cowan: And the fact that I found it and the fact that I could share it with her.
- 16:29Crista Cowan: Um, I love her dearly.
- 16:31Lisa Elzey: Yes.
- 16:32Crista Cowan: But that just was a whole different level of connection.
- 16:35Lisa Elzey: It was, and it was something unexpected.
- 16:37Lisa Elzey: And I love that I was able to see a story that I had heard so many times before, but I saw it in a new light with new new eyes and new people, but they're my friends that I've known forever.
- 16:51Lisa Elzey: So I just that will always I will always treasure that.
- 16:55Lisa Elzey: And it makes me love Utah even more.
- 16:57Crista Cowan: Okay.
- 16:58Crista Cowan: So as we did this state-by-state thing in the order of when they became states, one of the things that surprised me was that sometimes, like, we weren't just marching east.
- 17:09Crista Cowan: We go from Utah and now we're gonna go back west to Oregon.
- 17:13Crista Cowan: Right.
- 17:14Lisa Elzey: I love this episode because it has Phyllis Zegers, who is a dear sweet friend.
- 17:19Lisa Elzey: Phyllis.
- 17:20Lisa Elzey: I love Phyllis so much.
- 17:22Crista Cowan: Now, the thing about the organ story is there was actually a part one to the organ story that you and I told in season one.
- 17:29Crista Cowan: We did.
- 17:30Crista Cowan: And so what I loved about this organ episode was that it was kind of like the rest of the story.
- 17:36Lisa Elzey: Yes, it was a very behind the scenes, even more.
- 17:38Crista Cowan: Yeah.
- 17:39Lisa Elzey: Uh it was it was her side, right?
- 17:41Lisa Elzey: So I told my side, my discovery, and and how I was able to share that with the person that had the question.
- 17:47Lisa Elzey: And then he got to share how he took it and went and did his thing.
- 17:50Lisa Elzey: But we didn't share how I was able to find what I found because of Phyllis.
- 17:55Lisa Elzey: Yeah.
- 17:56Lisa Elzey: So Phyllis is a she's just she's just amazing.
- 18:00Lisa Elzey: Her whole project that she worked on was completely selfless.
- 18:05Lisa Elzey: It was not her person, it was just people that were forgotten.
- 18:11Lisa Elzey: And it has to do with the Oregon State Hospital.
- 18:14Lisa Elzey: It has to do with, again, the like if you listen to the episode in season one, it has to do with the cremains in the uh Oregon State Hospital that were kind of not abandoned, they were just forgotten because no one had claimed them.
- 18:27Lisa Elzey: When I discovered Phyllis taking all of these death certificates and putting them on Find a Grave, because that's how she was giving back to the community, was putting the information on the public site, find a grave.
- 18:38Lisa Elzey: And that's how I found the death certificate in connection with the story that I was doing.
- 18:44Lisa Elzey: Then I realized she'd been posting all these things.
- 18:46Lisa Elzey: I really think if I'm looking back, it's the first time that it really came to me to as an idea that I could do something like this.
- 18:55Lisa Elzey: That I could do a community project that is not my own family.
- 19:00Lisa Elzey: I mean, aside from my job, of course.
- 19:02Lisa Elzey: I'm just saying that that I could give back in a way that isn't something that I'm doing for my work or doing for my own family, but I could choose to help people just like her.
- 19:11Lisa Elzey: And it's beautiful and it's it's accessible.
- 19:14Lisa Elzey: I don't know.
- 19:15Lisa Elzey: It just was so wonderful.
- 19:16Lisa Elzey: And then that she did this long before we had the Oregon State death certificates on Ancestry.
- 19:21Lisa Elzey: She was driving and like they knew her by name, they would have things prepped her.
- 19:25Lisa Elzey: She they they trusted her.
- 19:27Lisa Elzey: Like they were like, Oh, if Phyllis is doing this, then we're fine.
- 19:30Lisa Elzey: Like just the beautiful relationship she created from that.
- 19:34Lisa Elzey: I don't know.
- 19:34Lisa Elzey: She's just a lovely person.
- 19:36Lisa Elzey: I loved getting to know her.
- 19:38Lisa Elzey: And the best part, too, we asked if she would come here and interview, not just with us, but with Ancestry.
- 19:46Lisa Elzey: But then we asked, Well, could we also get you for the podcast with Krista?
- 19:51Lisa Elzey: It's not an Ancestry thing, it's studio sponsored by Ancestry, but not.
- 19:55Lisa Elzey: And she's like, Oh, yes, of course.
- 19:57Lisa Elzey: And we said, We'll give you a tour.
- 19:58Lisa Elzey: She goes, Oh, that'd be great.
- 19:59Lisa Elzey: So we had lunch and I don't know, it was just the loveliest day.
- 20:03Crista Cowan: And I love this whole idea of like when we start telling stories, they don't always have to be our own stories.
- 20:11Crista Cowan: So, like Phyllis was talking about her contribution and her journey, but really her whole experience is making sure other people's stories aren't forgotten, making sure other people's people aren't forgotten.
- 20:25Crista Cowan: And I think that that like just that becomes part of who we are as family historians when we get into this work.
- 20:32Crista Cowan: And she has just really embraced it in a lovely way.
- 20:36Lisa Elzey: Yeah.
- 20:36Lisa Elzey: And I love that you say that because we just had an experience the other night where I was getting blubbery about an entire family that kind of disappeared when I was researching them for, you know, different reasons.
- 20:47Lisa Elzey: People got diseases or accidents or whatever.
- 20:50Lisa Elzey: And the whole family, pretty much they had no descendants that survived.
- 20:54Lisa Elzey: And I was so upset about that.
- 20:56Lisa Elzey: And so, like, well, who will remember them?
- 20:59Lisa Elzey: Because no one is left to tell their story.
- 21:02Lisa Elzey: No one's here.
- 21:03Lisa Elzey: No one's looking for them.
- 21:04Lisa Elzey: No one's, no one's remembering them.
- 21:07Lisa Elzey: And Phyllis found a beautiful way to put their story out there because it's still a story.
- 21:13Lisa Elzey: They still contributed in some way.
- 21:15Lisa Elzey: They still have lives, they still had experiences.
- 21:18Lisa Elzey: There's still value in their life here on this earth.
- 21:20Lisa Elzey: And just because they didn't leave a descendant doesn't mean they don't have value.
- 21:24Lisa Elzey: And so anyway, I just I'm grateful to hear that.
- 21:27Lisa Elzey: Okay.
- 21:28Lisa Elzey: Oh my goodness.
- 21:30Lisa Elzey: You have value.
- 21:31Lisa Elzey: If not anything for your sourdough.
- 21:33Lisa Elzey: That is your that is your path to legacy.
- 21:36Lisa Elzey: Oh, yummy, good for me.
- 21:39Lisa Elzey: But no, but you know how some people are like, well, they kind of leave the the ones like, oh, but they didn't have any descendants.
- 21:44Lisa Elzey: And they kind of just leave them in the tree, right?
- 21:46Lisa Elzey: I think that happens a lot.
- 21:47Lisa Elzey: It does.
- 21:48Lisa Elzey: Where we just kind of don't explore who that person was because we don't have any descendants for us to go find or whatever.
- 21:54Lisa Elzey: And I don't know.
- 21:55Lisa Elzey: I just have like a rekindled fire, uh, kind of like with our episode.
- 21:59Lisa Elzey: About the nuns.
- 22:01Lisa Elzey: Yeah.
- 22:01Lisa Elzey: Right?
- 22:01Lisa Elzey: That was that kind of feeling like we gotta get them off the page and put them out there so people can see.
- 22:07Lisa Elzey: And so Phyllis just really exemplified that.
- 22:09Crista Cowan: Well, I love that.
- 22:10Crista Cowan: Yes.
- 22:10Crista Cowan: Okay, now we're gonna go from Oregon all the way, we're gonna skip ahead to the Midwest.
- 22:15Lisa Elzey: Yes.
- 22:15Lisa Elzey: West is done.
- 22:17Crista Cowan: You found this story in Iowa that is so cool.
- 22:22Lisa Elzey: Yes.
- 22:22Lisa Elzey: So okay, Iowa.
- 22:23Lisa Elzey: Iowa is a beautiful state.
- 22:26Lisa Elzey: I could have told so many different stories.
- 22:28Lisa Elzey: Uh, here is what happened.
- 22:30Lisa Elzey: We so we populate, just to give a little behind-the-scenes, little production behind the scenes.
- 22:35Lisa Elzey: When we find stories, we put them in our spreadsheet and we populate where they're gonna go and we see little holes of where we don't have a story and where we might need to uh, you know, tap into our brain or tap into friends or look online and see if we want to go and pitch a story to some people.
- 22:49Lisa Elzey: And Iowa was one of those places where we didn't necessarily have someone we knew offhand or or had something.
- 22:54Lisa Elzey: And so I was thinking, okay, where do where do I want to tell the story?
- 22:57Lisa Elzey: What do I want to tell?
- 22:58Lisa Elzey: And I'd been following this Instagram.
- 23:02Lisa Elzey: She's amazing.
- 23:02Lisa Elzey: Her name's Rosie Grant.
- 23:04Lisa Elzey: She's awesome.
- 23:05Lisa Elzey: And she was posting all of these different recipe headstones that she had been capturing.
- 23:11Lisa Elzey: It's the most random thing.
- 23:13Lisa Elzey: Right?
- 23:13Lisa Elzey: She'd found all of these headstones that people had been so obsessed, or at least been personified or identified with their recipe that they put it on their headstone when they died to be remembered by.
- 23:26Lisa Elzey: She'd written a cookbook where she had put all of these recipes together.
- 23:31Lisa Elzey: She had gone and visited the families of the people that had passed away.
- 23:35Lisa Elzey: It wasn't just here's the recipes, make the thing.
- 23:39Lisa Elzey: It was the story.
- 23:40Lisa Elzey: It was why this recipe.
- 23:42Lisa Elzey: It was, I'm gonna go make this with the family.
- 23:45Lisa Elzey: I loved that.
- 23:46Lisa Elzey: It was to me, this is like a genealogist dream gift.
- 23:49Lisa Elzey: In fact, I gave it to you for your birthday.
- 23:51Lisa Elzey: You did.
- 23:52Crista Cowan: So much, and it's so funny because one of my dearest friends, um, she listened to the episode and then immediately she texted me and she said, Well, I guess I will return the birthday gift I got you.
- 24:06Lisa Elzey: I'm so sorry, Mel.
- 24:07Lisa Elzey: I love you.
- 24:08Lisa Elzey: I'm so sorry.
- 24:09Lisa Elzey: But yes, I did give it to you for your birthday.
- 24:11Lisa Elzey: It just happened to coincide with holiday coming up.
- 24:14Crista Cowan: Yeah.
- 24:15Lisa Elzey: And so I immediately was like, Oh, we should do this for Iowa episode.
- 24:19Lisa Elzey: Oh my gosh, does she have any recipes in Iowa?
- 24:22Lisa Elzey: I she did.
- 24:24Lisa Elzey: She had two.
- 24:25Lisa Elzey: Yeah.
- 24:25Lisa Elzey: And so I reached out.
- 24:27Lisa Elzey: This is one of the things.
- 24:27Crista Cowan: Which actually, okay, let's just let's just talk about the fact that in a recipe cookbook, there's like what, like 50-ish, yeah, 45 recipes.
- 24:35Crista Cowan: Um, so the fact that she had two from the state of Iowa is really kind of odd because it's a smaller state.
- 24:41Crista Cowan: Yes.
- 24:42Crista Cowan: There's a million other opportunities or places.
- 24:44Crista Cowan: I've I've followed her Instagram, like there are other places she could have put, but these two recipes like had stories attached.
- 24:51Crista Cowan: They did all of her recipes.
- 24:53Lisa Elzey: And I think it really speaks to Iowa that they are family driven.
- 24:57Lisa Elzey: They are story driven as a state, I think, and they're tradition driven too.
- 25:03Lisa Elzey: And I think that traditions run deep there, you know?
- 25:06Lisa Elzey: So uh this is one of my first big pitches, right?
- 25:09Lisa Elzey: So I don't know this person.
- 25:11Lisa Elzey: I follow them on Instagram.
- 25:12Lisa Elzey: I'm like, all right, I'm just gonna cold, cold pitch this person and be like, hi, which is what we do, you know.
- 25:18Lisa Elzey: Hi, my name is Lisa, and I'm the to produce this podcast.
- 25:21Lisa Elzey: And here's Krista.
- 25:22Lisa Elzey: Isn't she awesome?
- 25:23Lisa Elzey: And you know, would you like we'd love to have you come and chat with us?
- 25:26Lisa Elzey: Immediately she responded, she's so awesome.
- 25:29Lisa Elzey: And uh got me in touch with her agent, her book agent.
- 25:32Lisa Elzey: They got everything set up and we had her on the podcast.
- 25:36Lisa Elzey: Literally two weeks later, Rosie is on the Kelly Clarkson show.
- 25:41Lisa Elzey: And I'm like, we got her before Kelly Clarkson got her.
- 25:45Lisa Elzey: This is amazing.
- 25:46Lisa Elzey: Because her book was coming out right before holiday, and then her book became a New York Times bestseller.
- 25:50Lisa Elzey: So I was like, I felt pretty proud about that.
- 25:53Lisa Elzey: You should feel pretty proud about that.
- 25:54Lisa Elzey: Got her first, but I mean, not first.
- 25:57Lisa Elzey: But anyway, I just love her.
- 25:59Lisa Elzey: She's just very down-to-earth, and she had great stories to tell.
- 26:02Lisa Elzey: It was right before Christmas, so I thought it'd be fun to make the Christmas cookies, which I did, which are delicious.
- 26:07Lisa Elzey: They are delicious, and she told the story behind that one because it was our Christmas kind of episode, December episode.
- 26:13Lisa Elzey: But there were two recipes, and the other was for a cheese dip, which I also made.
- 26:20Lisa Elzey: Here's the cheese dip.
- 26:22Lisa Elzey: And this is the Red Lantern cheese dip.
- 26:25Lisa Elzey: And the story behind this one, it's a woman named Deb, and she was a waitress at this Red Lantern restaurant.
- 26:32Lisa Elzey: It was like a roadside restaurant in Iowa.
- 26:34Lisa Elzey: And this uh police officer would come often and dine there, and it ended up being her husband later.
- 26:40Lisa Elzey: They got married.
- 26:41Lisa Elzey: So I think she has an affinity for that place, probably because that's where she met her husband.
- 26:46Lisa Elzey: And apparently, the cheese dip is very much like everyone has their own recipe, their own version of it.
- 26:54Lisa Elzey: Their own version, but they all said that dub's was best.
- 26:57Lisa Elzey: So I thought it'd be fun since we made the cookies from Iowa.
- 27:00Lisa Elzey: We should probably have the cheese dip and you know, cheese dip.
- 27:03Crista Cowan: Well, okay.
- 27:04Crista Cowan: I mean, I feel like we show and eat some eat some cheese.
- 27:09Lisa Elzey: We should try some cheese dip.
- 27:10Lisa Elzey: I think we should try.
- 27:11Lisa Elzey: This is where this is the part, this is the awkward part where you eat on camera where everyone loves watching it.
- 27:15Lisa Elzey: So we're gonna, it's a chilled cheese dip.
- 27:17Crista Cowan: Oh, yeah, it is.
- 27:18Crista Cowan: But it didn't break the cracker.
- 27:20Lisa Elzey: Cheers.
- 27:20Lisa Elzey: Cheers.
- 27:22Crista Cowan: Um, that's really good.
- 27:24Crista Cowan: Oh wow.
- 27:25Crista Cowan: Yeah, there's a lot of levels on that.
- 27:27Lisa Elzey: I think I could put some of that on your sourdough.
- 27:30Crista Cowan: Oh.
- 27:30Crista Cowan: Yeah.
- 27:33Crista Cowan: I think that's it.
- 27:34Crista Cowan: That's really yummy.
- 27:35Crista Cowan: That is yummy.
- 27:36Lisa Elzey: I could see how that could be like a total make the cheese diet, bring it, bring it to the party.
- 27:41Crista Cowan: Yeah, like you're always asked to bring that.
- 27:43Lisa Elzey: Yeah, bring it.
- 27:44Lisa Elzey: That's so yummy.
- 27:45Lisa Elzey: If you need a gift for a fellow genealogist, family historian, it's amazing.
- 27:50Lisa Elzey: It's called To Die For, a cookbook of gravestone recipes.
- 27:55Lisa Elzey: So you can get it online.
- 27:56Lisa Elzey: It's awesome.
- 27:57Lisa Elzey: Okay.
- 27:57Lisa Elzey: Yes.
- 27:58Lisa Elzey: Where are we going next?
- 27:58Lisa Elzey: I don't know.
- 27:59Lisa Elzey: Baba.
- 28:01Lisa Elzey: My dear friend.
- 28:03Lisa Elzey: So I need to set this up.
- 28:05Lisa Elzey: Uh, we reached out to people uh at Ancestry, friends of ours, when we're again looking for some different states, and we have a few friends who are like, oh, we'd love to talk to that person, this person, they're dynamic, interesting.
- 28:18Lisa Elzey: Like Julie Merrill, which is one of our most recent uh Ancestry Progen stories.
- 28:23Lisa Elzey: We didn't have anyone for Alabama, and then I remembered, oh my goodness, Noah.
- 28:28Lisa Elzey: Noah is from Alabama.
- 28:30Lisa Elzey: So Noah Lapitas, who is a pro genealogist here at Ancestry, is from Alabama, but he moved to Utah to work for Ancestry Pro Genealogists.
- 28:39Lisa Elzey: But then when we went remote, he was able to move back to Alabama.
- 28:43Lisa Elzey: Noah's Jewish.
- 28:45Lisa Elzey: Right.
- 28:46Lisa Elzey: And I'm like, okay, you're from Alabama.
- 28:48Lisa Elzey: I'm like, so did you like move there?
- 28:50Lisa Elzey: He's like, no, no, my family's from here.
- 28:52Lisa Elzey: I've always been there.
- 28:53Lisa Elzey: You don't think Jewish in Alabama when you think Jewish like migration.
- 28:58Lisa Elzey: Right.
- 28:58Lisa Elzey: There's certain pockets of Jewish migration that you just kind of think about.
- 29:02Lisa Elzey: So we thought, okay, that's really interesting.
- 29:04Lisa Elzey: We'd love to hear that.
- 29:05Lisa Elzey: So the I need to give a little backstory about Noah.
- 29:07Lisa Elzey: Noah is one of the genealogists on the team of amazing genealogists that helped crack the case for A Dream Delivered, the Lost Letters of Hawkins Wilson.
- 29:18Lisa Elzey: But what's really great, he had only been at Ancestry for like three or four months.
- 29:22Crista Cowan: At the time of the Hawkins Wilson project.
- 29:24Lisa Elzey: Yes, he was brand new.
- 29:26Lisa Elzey: And I'm like, hi, I heard I get to use you on our team.
- 29:29Lisa Elzey: My name's Lisa.
- 29:31Lisa Elzey: Are you ready to go?
- 29:32Lisa Elzey: And he's like, yeah.
- 29:33Lisa Elzey: So we kind of forged this awesome fun friendship over this treasure hunt of trying to find this information.
- 29:39Lisa Elzey: And it could not have been more fun and frustrating and maddening and exciting and exhilarating and emotional.
- 29:46Lisa Elzey: So I love that we got to have that friendship forged that way.
- 29:50Lisa Elzey: Uh, but I also just love him as a person.
- 29:52Lisa Elzey: He's an extremely magnanimous, amazing person.
- 29:56Crista Cowan: Well, and this was the surprising thing about this episode because I had heard about Noah from you.
- 30:01Crista Cowan: I had watched you kind of lead this team of researchers in this project for a year and a half.
- 30:06Crista Cowan: And genealogists by nature, people who go into genealogy as a profession in particular, um, like they're so whip smart and they're so tenacious, and they have to be to do the work that they do.
- 30:21Crista Cowan: And I admire that so much about them.
- 30:23Crista Cowan: But we have this joke around the office where we say if you ask a genealogist what time it is, they'll tell you how to build a clock.
- 30:30Crista Cowan: And so I'm always a little hesitant when you're like, we should get this genealogist on the podcast.
- 30:36Crista Cowan: And I'm like, oh, but can they tell a story without telling us how to build the clock?
- 30:40Crista Cowan: And I was so delighted by Noah because he can tell a story.
- 30:48Crista Cowan: And he's clever and funny and little Noah.
- 30:51Crista Cowan: And his stories about, yes, being little Noah with the little backpack at the library, wanting to go to archives for his birthday.
- 30:59Lisa Elzey: And but I just I just love he had such a drive for the work that he was doing, uh, the work of righting wrongs with injustices with as of uh being a lawyer before he was a professional genealogist.
- 31:13Lisa Elzey: And so for him to share his Jewish heritage and learn something new, I did not know about.
- 31:18Lisa Elzey: I did not know how to have the history of Jews in Birmingham and Matt Holstettl that came over together.
- 31:24Lisa Elzey: Like it was almost like a lifting of history that just kind of planted itself.
- 31:28Lisa Elzey: Uh and that he helped discover that.
- 31:30Lisa Elzey: It just was lovely.
- 31:31Lisa Elzey: And Alabama.
- 31:32Lisa Elzey: Alabama.
- 31:33Lisa Elzey: And the next one I think is still is kind of in the Midwest.
- 31:37Lisa Elzey: So Alabama, the deep south.
- 31:38Lisa Elzey: Yeah.
- 31:38Lisa Elzey: Now we're kind of, I don't know, it's Indiana.
- 31:41Lisa Elzey: Is that South?
- 31:42Lisa Elzey: Is it West?
- 31:42Lisa Elzey: Kentucky.
- 31:43Lisa Elzey: It's kind of on the border, isn't it?
- 31:46Crista Cowan: Yeah, it's not south.
- 31:47Crista Cowan: No, it's always so interesting to me because there's some states that are just small enough or have a predominant enough culture that you think of it and you think of one thing.
- 31:58Crista Cowan: Indiana is one of those long states, right?
- 32:00Crista Cowan: Um, and there are different pockets of culture in the state of Indiana.
- 32:06Crista Cowan: And so here's why I picked Indiana as one of my favorite episodes from the season.
- 32:11Crista Cowan: Two reasons.
- 32:12Crista Cowan: One, it was our hundredth episode.
- 32:15Lisa Elzey: Yes.
- 32:15Crista Cowan: And that was kind of a big deal for you and me.
- 32:17Crista Cowan: I know.
- 32:18Crista Cowan: Like when we started this, like I think we were just like, let's just try a season or let's just try 20 episodes and see what happens.
- 32:27Crista Cowan: And then we have just kept going and going.
- 32:30Crista Cowan: And it's been a lot of work, but it has been, I think, fun and we have learned things.
- 32:35Crista Cowan: And so the opportunity we had to just celebrate that we made it a hundred episodes was a big deal for us.
- 32:42Lisa Elzey: I think so too.
- 32:43Lisa Elzey: I when I think hundred episodes, I think of like friends on NBC having an NBC cake, hundredth episode.
- 32:51Lisa Elzey: Like it was a big deal.
- 32:53Lisa Elzey: It was a big deal.
- 32:54Lisa Elzey: And I remember at the very beginning of the podcast almost saying, Okay, well, if we need to take a break, we can, right?
- 33:00Lisa Elzey: And you're like, yeah.
- 33:01Lisa Elzey: And I'm like, okay, like we had no idea.
- 33:03Lisa Elzey: I didn't know what my workload would be.
- 33:05Lisa Elzey: You didn't know, like, we just didn't know.
- 33:06Lisa Elzey: And the fact that we've had just roll a week, yeah, every week.
- 33:10Lisa Elzey: We've not missed a week.
- 33:11Lisa Elzey: And I'm really proud of that for us.
- 33:13Crista Cowan: You should be proud of that for sure.
- 33:14Crista Cowan: Because you do a lot of work.
- 33:16Lisa Elzey: Well, and you post it.
- 33:17Crista Cowan: So high five us.
- 33:18Crista Cowan: Okay.
- 33:19Crista Cowan: Okay, so here's the other reason I loved Indiana.
- 33:21Crista Cowan: So our guest was Lisa Fanning.
- 33:23Crista Cowan: And Lisa is a genealogy colleague.
- 33:27Crista Cowan: Um, she is somebody that I know in the industry.
- 33:30Crista Cowan: I didn't know a lot about her or her background or her history.
- 33:33Crista Cowan: And so when she came on to tell her Indiana deeply rooted story, uh it was brand new information to me.
- 33:41Crista Cowan: And I think that's what I loved the most was that this was a piece of history that I had literally never heard about before.
- 33:50Crista Cowan: And then it always makes me wonder what other things exist in people's family trees that are kind of a big deal in history that I have never heard about before.
- 34:00Crista Cowan: So just a brief recap of her episode.
- 34:03Crista Cowan: She descends from communities of free blacks in Indiana, people who um who purchased or were granted their freedom in places like Virginia and North Carolina and left to make a community of people where they could live freely.
- 34:21Crista Cowan: And I mean, I knew free blacks existed.
- 34:24Crista Cowan: I just didn't understand the depth of these communities and how interconnected those families were and how deep those family trees go.
- 34:33Crista Cowan: I mean, we're talking people who were freed sometimes in the late 1600 or early 1700s and have lived free all along.
- 34:41Crista Cowan: Um, we hear so much in this country about slavery, and it is a an awful and dark part of our history.
- 34:49Crista Cowan: But the fact that there were people who were still eking out livings in places and um and were granted that freedom and living with that freedom for so long was literally something I did not know before.
- 35:02Lisa Elzey: I also loved that she was telling the why they ended up there because someone has, you know, said it or whatever.
- 35:10Lisa Elzey: It's really, really awesome.
- 35:11Crista Cowan: Yeah, it is.
- 35:11Crista Cowan: And here's the fun thing, like kind of as an after the episode, right?
- 35:16Crista Cowan: Lisa, like, she I was just in Indiana at the National Genealogy Conference a few weeks ago, and she is on the board of directors for the National Genealogical Society, and she was there and she came up and talked to me.
- 35:29Crista Cowan: And we ended up having lunch together one day at a table full of people, and she was telling people I was the hundredth episode, which she's just, you know, she was so grateful to have been able to share her story and to have been able to do it at an important milestone for us.
- 35:46Lisa Elzey: So that was it, Indiana.
- 35:47Lisa Elzey: Love Indiana.
- 35:48Lisa Elzey: I think you have the next one as well.
- 35:50Lisa Elzey: This one is a little more close to your family tree, Louisiana.
- 35:56Crista Cowan: I love Louisiana.
- 35:58Crista Cowan: Um, I've always kind of had this fascination with Louisiana, especially New Orleans and the culture there and the history there.
- 36:06Crista Cowan: And I don't so much love the weather there.
- 36:09Crista Cowan: I have been there in the summer when the sun was trying to kill me.
- 36:13Crista Cowan: But um, but um yeah, when when it came time to tell a Louisiana story, I had already told a part of a Louisiana story in episode one when I talked about the discovery of my ancestor Carrie and how she ended up in Louisiana and how that connected me then with cousins that lived there.
- 36:34Crista Cowan: But uh what I hadn't told as part of that story was how often I go back to Louisiana now.
- 36:40Crista Cowan: Um, I just had the opportunity at Christmas time to take one of my nephews on his 13th birthday trip.
- 36:46Crista Cowan: And to it was just so fun to be able to be there with him and have that time with him.
- 36:52Crista Cowan: And uh the interesting thing is that uh there was another cousin that I met on that trip with this nephew, and she's part of this same family.
- 37:04Crista Cowan: I had been Facebook friends with her for years, but I had never met her in person.
- 37:09Crista Cowan: And I had never understood why I hadn't met her in person uh until her story came out on that visit.
- 37:17Crista Cowan: And we started to understand that she had been intentionally estranged from the family by some things that had happened and was just kind of trying to find her way back in with the cousins and what her place was.
- 37:30Crista Cowan: And the moment she walked into that family gathering with those photo albums, I'm gonna cry, just like still like the like the joy and the palpability in the room of everybody going, you're one of us, and you have part of our story too.
- 37:48Crista Cowan: We come with parts of each other's story, and when you can put all those pieces together, it's just the coolest thing.
- 37:55Crista Cowan: And so to be able to sit at that table with her and hear her tell that story, I knew that when it came time to do the Louisiana episode, I wanted her to tell her story.
- 38:05Crista Cowan: And she did it, and she did it so beautifully.
- 38:08Crista Cowan: Um Arlene just love her, and I love her cute southern accent.
- 38:13Lisa Elzey: I know okay, wait, can we just comment on that?
- 38:15Lisa Elzey: Okay, it's like a different accent, right?
- 38:18Lisa Elzey: We talked about that after because it's like New Orleans has a different accent, but it's different.
- 38:23Lisa Elzey: But you told me this, and I didn't know this, that different parts of New Orleans have different accents.
- 38:27Lisa Elzey: Uh-huh, mixed with a little bit as like southern drawl, but then mixed with Texas, because my dad's from Texas.
- 38:37Lisa Elzey: So I was like, that sounds like my dad.
- 38:39Lisa Elzey: But then it then it's it was the most interesting, yeah, strange, fascinating accent.
- 38:45Crista Cowan: Uh-huh.
- 38:45Crista Cowan: When I was interviewing Arlene, my dad was in town.
- 38:50Crista Cowan: And I told him I was interviewing her, and he like came with me, and he was sitting in the studio just off camera, kind of angled so that he could see her on the computer screen while she and I were talking.
- 39:03Crista Cowan: And he got to meet her and talk to her and sit through that whole episode.
- 39:08Crista Cowan: Because what I think most of our listeners don't realize is that most of these interviews take like an hour.
- 39:13Crista Cowan: And then you do like the magic of editing to get them down to the story that will fit in 20 or 30 or 40 minutes.
- 39:21Crista Cowan: And sometimes, sometimes we let them go a little bit longer because there's just not much we can edit out sometimes.
- 39:27Crista Cowan: Like there's lots of chit-chat and stuff that happens.
- 39:30Crista Cowan: So there's there is a lot of stuff that happens in that hour, and my dad got to sit there and be there for that and interact with her.
- 39:36Crista Cowan: And I just every time I can share family history with my dad, it's a beautiful thing.
- 39:42Lisa Elzey: That's something I really love about you and your family too, is that you aren't afraid to go meet a person you've never seen before.
- 39:49Lisa Elzey: Maybe you knew them on Facebook, they're your cousin.
- 39:51Lisa Elzey: And I quote cousin because like she's like my third close cousin.
- 39:55Lisa Elzey: Yeah.
- 39:55Lisa Elzey: Right.
- 39:56Lisa Elzey: Yeah.
- 39:56Lisa Elzey: Like when you think cousin, you're like, oh yeah, like the person I grew up with, like that's kind of my sibling.
- 40:00Lisa Elzey: No, these are like people that you share a great great grandparent with that you never met, but they're your cousin.
- 40:07Lisa Elzey: They really are your cousin.
- 40:08Lisa Elzey: Yes.
- 40:08Lisa Elzey: But it's that takes courage.
- 40:10Lisa Elzey: And I really admire that that you are willing to do that, and that your family gets to benefit from that.
- 40:17Lisa Elzey: And you get to benefit too.
- 40:18Lisa Elzey: And by the way, your nephew, I love that he chose Louisiana and he chose it for the music.
- 40:24Lisa Elzey: Uh-huh.
- 40:25Lisa Elzey: And the food.
- 40:25Lisa Elzey: Well, the food is Louisiana.
- 40:27Lisa Elzey: And he's a boy.
- 40:28Lisa Elzey: And yeah.
- 40:29Lisa Elzey: 13-year-old boy.
- 40:30Lisa Elzey: Yes.
- 40:30Lisa Elzey: And food is very important.
- 40:31Lisa Elzey: But just that it was like the soul of that place.
- 40:35Lisa Elzey: He knew it.
- 40:36Lisa Elzey: And that you got to share that with him with a little family history.
- 40:39Lisa Elzey: Yep.
- 40:40Crista Cowan: Always a little family history.
- 40:41Crista Cowan: Yes.
- 40:42Lisa Elzey: So since we're in the South, I think we should just stay there for a minute.
- 40:45Lisa Elzey: Because I think your next episode is still in the South.
- 40:49Crista Cowan: Kentucky.
- 40:49Crista Cowan: Yes.
- 40:50Crista Cowan: And it's not just the South, it's also an episode about fathers and daughters.
- 40:54Crista Cowan: Yes.
- 40:55Crista Cowan: Which has such a special place in my heart.
- 40:57Crista Cowan: Um, because I do so much family history with my dad.
- 41:00Crista Cowan: He's the one who got me into it.
- 41:02Crista Cowan: He's the one I share everything with.
- 41:04Crista Cowan: He's the one who still works with me for hours on Sunday nights.
- 41:07Crista Cowan: Um, when we were looking for a Kentucky story, I was in uh Chicago on a business trip with a colleague and was talking about what we were doing with the season.
- 41:17Crista Cowan: And she proceeded to tell me that every single branch of her family tree is in Kentucky on every line for generations.
- 41:24Crista Cowan: And I just thought that is the most odd thing I have ever heard.
- 41:27Crista Cowan: Like everybody I know has branches of trees from different places, but every single branch of her family tree in Kentucky for generations.
- 41:36Crista Cowan: And I thought, I need you on the podcast because that's an unusual.
- 41:39Crista Cowan: I don't even know what your story is gonna be.
- 41:40Crista Cowan: But then it just so happened that around the time we were trying to schedule her to film, her dad was visiting Utah from Kentucky.
- 41:49Lisa Elzey: Yeah, she said she goes, Oh, by the way, my dad's coming from Kentucky.
- 41:54Lisa Elzey: He knows all the stories.
- 41:56Lisa Elzey: I think he would be great to have on there.
- 41:59Lisa Elzey: And then we're like, with you though, right?
- 42:01Lisa Elzey: She's like, well, yeah.
- 42:03Lisa Elzey: And we're like, no, with you.
- 42:04Lisa Elzey: And she's like, yeah, yeah, with me.
- 42:06Lisa Elzey: Like it, I love that she knew he was kind of the keeper.
- 42:10Lisa Elzey: Yeah.
- 42:10Lisa Elzey: And she also said, and he would love it.
- 42:13Crista Cowan: Yeah, it was just really lovely to have them on the couch together.
- 42:17Crista Cowan: And yes, with him as the principal storyteller, but to watch her just look at him and see the love and have her just hear those stories in that forum.
- 42:30Crista Cowan: Stories I am sure she has heard a million times.
- 42:34Crista Cowan: Um, but to to have him share those with a broader audience and his love of Kentucky and his love of his family and the place that he is building for them with his own hands out of this heritage location in their family tree and the way he feeds them.
- 42:52Crista Cowan: Because that was a thing.
- 42:54Crista Cowan: Cuz turtles.
- 42:55Crista Cowan: Cuss turtles.
- 42:57Lisa Elzey: I'm still like not over that sometimes.
- 43:00Crista Cowan: Sometimes I learn things in this podcast.
- 43:02Crista Cowan: And then to watch him get so emotional about his own stories and just bless, bless sweet Paul Abel.
- 43:10Lisa Elzey: Just seeing when he talked about how proud he is of her.
- 43:13Lisa Elzey: I just love that.
- 43:15Lisa Elzey: And the other thing I love about that episode is it really helps you see why place is such a character in people's family history story.
- 43:25Lisa Elzey: Their family has not moved.
- 43:28Lisa Elzey: And it's their place, it's their home and why people would fight for their home, why people protect it, why people died for it, why uh they they fought for land.
- 43:40Lisa Elzey: They there's just so many bad and good things that happen over a place.
- 43:44Lisa Elzey: And it kind of helps you understand a little more of the why, not just in America, all over, right?
- 43:49Lisa Elzey: All over the world.
- 43:50Lisa Elzey: Because place helps you define family and who you are a little bit.
- 43:55Lisa Elzey: And without place, I think as humans, sometimes we feel a little adrift.
- 43:59Lisa Elzey: And uh I love that they had such a sense of place and who they were and and they loved that about their family.
- 44:07Crista Cowan: There are a lot of places, right, that mean something.
- 44:11Crista Cowan: And North Carolina is my family's place, and it was my episode and my story, but you picked it as one of your five.
- 44:20Lisa Elzey: I did.
- 44:21Lisa Elzey: Okay.
- 44:21Lisa Elzey: I'm just gonna do a disclaimer right now.
- 44:24Lisa Elzey: I get to listen to every episode multiple ways, multiple times.
- 44:27Lisa Elzey: I hear Chris's voice in my sleeves.
- 44:30Lisa Elzey: I I'm not saying a complaint, but um I it was hard for me to pick.
- 44:36Lisa Elzey: I wanted to pick one of your solo episodes because I really love that you I need the listener and viewer to know that you intentionally craft how you're going to tell the story because it means, sorry, get emotional.
- 44:51Lisa Elzey: It means so much to you to be able to communicate it honestly and well so that your listener can connect with it in some way.
- 45:01Lisa Elzey: You don't manipulate the story, you just want to share it.
- 45:05Lisa Elzey: And the time that you take in the care is inspiring.
- 45:09Lisa Elzey: So, okay, that said, it was really hard for me to choose.
- 45:12Lisa Elzey: In fact, I think one of the ones you're choosing later was also one I was going to choose, but you chose it, so we'll go with that.
- 45:17Lisa Elzey: Um, but North Carolina, the episode was about treasure.
- 45:21Lisa Elzey: It was.
- 45:22Lisa Elzey: I was all up in my Goonies feels with this one.
- 45:27Lisa Elzey: I was You're so Gen X.
- 45:28Lisa Elzey: I am so Gen X, you guys.
- 45:30Lisa Elzey: Goonies was like, oh, I was such a Goonie.
- 45:32Lisa Elzey: Um you did not tell me in your preparation.
- 45:36Lisa Elzey: You said, I don't want to tell you this story.
- 45:39Lisa Elzey: Because usually we prep.
- 45:40Lisa Elzey: Like you tell me what's going on, and I give some like opinions where I think you should hit the story or you know, whatever.
- 45:46Lisa Elzey: We work together.
- 45:47Lisa Elzey: And this one you said, I already know where I want to go.
- 45:49Lisa Elzey: I want to wait.
- 45:50Lisa Elzey: I want you to hear it live.
- 45:51Lisa Elzey: And I was like, okay, why?
- 45:54Lisa Elzey: And you're like, I just think it'd be fun.
- 45:56Lisa Elzey: I want you to hear the story for the first time.
- 45:58Lisa Elzey: So I'm like hearing this amazing story about treasure and and going in the dark and burying it by the river and through the trees, blindfold, like crazy story.
- 46:10Lisa Elzey: And I'm going, what?
- 46:11Lisa Elzey: Like, I'm trying not, because you're just trying to like focus and speak to the camera and be all poised.
- 46:16Lisa Elzey: And I just want to be like, what the heck?
- 46:18Lisa Elzey: And so it was an amazing story.
- 46:21Lisa Elzey: And I will lie if I don't admit that after the podcast that I went on Google and I looked up to see if anyone's found the treasure.
- 46:30Lisa Elzey: I like looked up maps and I wanted like, has anyone found this?
- 46:33Lisa Elzey: And anyway, I searched, I went down a rabbit hole for about an hour.
- 46:36Lisa Elzey: But nonetheless, I love that story because it it kind of emphasized a few things.
- 46:41Lisa Elzey: Number one, a good story and a good ghost, almost a ghost story.
- 46:46Lisa Elzey: But number two, it really emphasized your theme of why it's important to tell stories.
- 46:53Lisa Elzey: And that if we bury them, if we keep them buried for whatever reason, it could be shame.
- 46:59Lisa Elzey: It could be, I don't have time, it could be I don't know the story.
- 47:03Lisa Elzey: Uh, it could be an intentional burying of anger or malice of any kind.
- 47:08Lisa Elzey: I mean, whatever reason, they'll get lost.
- 47:11Crista Cowan: Yeah.
- 47:12Lisa Elzey: And um maybe they'll be found again.
- 47:14Lisa Elzey: Apparently, it's never been reported that that treasure has been found again.
- 47:19Lisa Elzey: And that family went without for, you know, they they lost what they had.
- 47:24Lisa Elzey: And we've had we've had lots of instances where we've heard people even we know in um at work that have lost treasures in fires, they've lost treasures in moving.
- 47:35Lisa Elzey: Um people die.
- 47:37Crista Cowan: People the number one regret of every genealogist is I didn't get the stories.
- 47:42Lisa Elzey: Talk to them, or I mean, I didn't get their DNA.
- 47:45Lisa Elzey: There's just so many different things that we regret that we miss.
- 47:49Lisa Elzey: And so the things you can control are sharing your stories.
- 47:53Lisa Elzey: So I love that that was a beautiful, just I don't know, just a beautiful metaphor in the story about what you're all about and treasure and treasure.
- 48:05Crista Cowan: Okay, Goonie.
- 48:06Lisa Elzey: All right, Goonies.
- 48:06Lisa Elzey: Goonies never say die.
- 48:08Lisa Elzey: Just say.
- 48:10Crista Cowan: So my last of my top five is also one of my solo episodes, which might seem a little weird.
- 48:15Crista Cowan: Like, I love me.
- 48:17Lisa Elzey: I love you too.
- 48:18Lisa Elzey: And this was the one that I would have chosen had you not chosen it.
- 48:21Lisa Elzey: So I'm glad you chose it.
- 48:22Lisa Elzey: Okay.
- 48:22Lisa Elzey: Okay.
- 48:22Lisa Elzey: So we're gonna call, we're gonna qualify that.
- 48:24Crista Cowan: Okay, so it's Connecticut.
- 48:26Crista Cowan: And the reason I picked Connecticut is actually twofold.
- 48:29Crista Cowan: One is um I had the opportunity to go to Connecticut on family vacation with my parents and one of my brothers a year and a half before this episode was gonna air.
- 48:41Crista Cowan: And I knew this was a story I wanted to tell.
- 48:44Crista Cowan: I just didn't know when it would be the perfect time to tell it.
- 48:47Crista Cowan: And so I have literally been sitting on this story um for a year and a half.
- 48:53Crista Cowan: And the fact that I finally got to tell it is a big deal.
- 48:56Crista Cowan: Um, I think the other thing about it that I love was that telling the story connects me again to my dad.
- 49:03Crista Cowan: And he and I standing on that lawn where this ancestor of mine was executed for witchcraft and going to pay honor to her at her memorial brick with my toes.
- 49:17Crista Cowan: Yes.
- 49:18Crista Cowan: Um, and like just being in those places, there's just something about walking where they walked and seeing what they saw and understanding, like we talked earlier about how place is a character and story, but place isn't just a character and story because of the place, but also because of the topography and where the trees are and where the mountains are and where the rivers are, and like all of those things are part of the story.
- 49:46Crista Cowan: And so understanding that and being and being in that place and breathing that air, even though I was 400 years removed from her, I felt so connected to her and to her story.
- 50:00Crista Cowan: And so just to be able to finally get to tell it, and like I said, to share that with my dad, um, to be in that place was a really big deal to me.
- 50:07Crista Cowan: And that's the experience that I want people to have.
- 50:10Crista Cowan: You talked about how you loved the North Carolina episode because it personifies what I want for people as far as telling and sharing story.
- 50:21Crista Cowan: The Connecticut episode to me personifies what I want for people to get out of this work that we do as it relates to feeling connected, connected to places, connected to our ancestors, and connected to our living family.
- 50:37Crista Cowan: And that's what that story represents for me.
- 50:40Lisa Elzey: I felt that when you told that story because again, you took such great care in telling that.
- 50:46Lisa Elzey: And uh the fact that you descend from that and didn't know what a gift to know.
- 50:54Lisa Elzey: Yeah.
- 50:54Lisa Elzey: What a gift to know.
- 50:56Lisa Elzey: And uh, Connecticut, Connecticut witch.
- 50:58Lisa Elzey: I didn't know that.
- 50:59Lisa Elzey: I was like, when you said I have a witch story, I was like, Oh, Massachusetts, you're like, no, Connecticut.
- 51:04Lisa Elzey: I was like, what?
- 51:05Lisa Elzey: And uh sitting on a story for a year and a half, I when we were filling in all the little pockets when we first started this, we went through all the different slots.
- 51:14Lisa Elzey: Like, okay, I I said, okay, Crystal, let's talk about your solos.
- 51:17Lisa Elzey: Where do you absolutely want to tell stories?
- 51:19Lisa Elzey: The very first spot you said, Connecticut.
- 51:21Lisa Elzey: I'm like, in my head, I was like, not Arkansas, like where you are talking about your family.
- 51:26Lisa Elzey: I mean, Arkansas was me too.
- 51:28Lisa Elzey: It was number two, yes.
- 51:28Lisa Elzey: It was number two.
- 51:29Lisa Elzey: But the first place you said was Connecticut.
- 51:31Lisa Elzey: So it was it was lovely to learn that story, but I love even more that you got to discover it and then experience it.
- 51:38Crista Cowan: Yeah.
- 51:39Crista Cowan: Yep, I love it.
- 51:40Crista Cowan: Okay, so that those are our top five apiece.
- 51:44Crista Cowan: Yes.
- 51:44Crista Cowan: Um, from 50 episodes, it was really hard to pick, but I love that we got to share not only our our feelings about those episodes, but also a little bit of the behind the scenes.
- 51:54Crista Cowan: Um, and this episode is airing a week after 4th of July.
- 52:00Crista Cowan: We've just, you know, we'll have celebrated America's semi-quincentennial.
- 52:05Crista Cowan: I've practiced saying that word.
- 52:07Crista Cowan: That's impressive.
- 52:08Crista Cowan: Thank you.
- 52:08Crista Cowan: Okay.
- 52:09Crista Cowan: Um and the episode that we ended on was the state of Delaware.
- 52:15Crista Cowan: And so I know I said we were each gonna pick five episodes, but I feel like we have to talk about Delaware.
- 52:20Lisa Elzey: We do, because it's the first state, you know.
- 52:22Crista Cowan: It is.
- 52:23Crista Cowan: That is their motto.
- 52:24Lisa Elzey: That is their motto because we learned that.
- 52:26Lisa Elzey: It was such an emotional end to this journey for ancestry.
- 52:30Lisa Elzey: I found this story of this historical person.
- 52:33Lisa Elzey: And I thought, this is an amazing person.
- 52:36Lisa Elzey: Well, guess where he's born?
- 52:38Lisa Elzey: Delaware.
- 52:39Lisa Elzey: And I thought, okay, we need someone that's connected to this story to tell this story because it's Delaware.
- 52:46Lisa Elzey: And he saved the Declaration of Independence, guys.
- 52:49Lisa Elzey: If you haven't listened to the episode, go listen.
- 52:51Lisa Elzey: And then I found an author, Anna Crowley Redding is her name.
- 52:57Lisa Elzey: And she is an author, not just of children's books, she's all these things.
- 53:02Lisa Elzey: She's an Emmy Award-winning investigative reporter.
- 53:05Lisa Elzey: And this was her first children's picture book.
- 53:07Lisa Elzey: And um her story surprised me.
- 53:12Lisa Elzey: It was emotional.
- 53:13Lisa Elzey: I was emotional because I think it was the end of the season, but not just because that.
- 53:19Lisa Elzey: She just hit every note for me in what this podcast was about and what this America 250 journey was about.
- 53:28Lisa Elzey: Why you were inspired to go from state to state and share again, emotional.
- 53:35Lisa Elzey: Why um just it was hard.
- 53:39Lisa Elzey: This was hard.
- 53:40Lisa Elzey: This was hard to being like, I've got to find something for this particular pocket, or this person cancel, or we're running out of time, or and and and we did it, and it was like a finish line, and it was so beautiful, and she just put this beautiful, like cherry on top with her beautiful story and experience that's so honest.
- 54:03Lisa Elzey: And what I loved most about what she said, because she went through some hard things in in not just writing the story, which is a beautiful story, but she was experiencing life hard things at the same time.
- 54:15Lisa Elzey: And at the end of that episode, she says, I want to continue writing about courage and what kind of courage you bring to the table.
- 54:27Lisa Elzey: Just like our ancestors did when they came here, whenever your family was here, whether they were here from the beginning as an indigenous people, or whenever they came here five minutes ago, what courage are they putting on the table to be able to do what they did?
- 54:44Lisa Elzey: And um that's really why I do family history because it connects me with that inner courage, it connects my family with that.
- 54:55Lisa Elzey: I want my kids to know that we're here because someone else chose to keep going over thousands of years, which is boggling.
- 55:05Lisa Elzey: Right.
- 55:06Lisa Elzey: And um, it was just a beautiful wrap-up of a beautiful season um by a beautiful person, and so I'm very grateful to her for trusting us because we again, I pitched her cold, she embraced it, she nailed it.
- 55:21Crista Cowan: She did, and you did.
- 55:23Crista Cowan: Um, and you continue to do it week after week, and I am so grateful for you.
- 55:28Crista Cowan: I am grateful for your friendship.
- 55:29Crista Cowan: I am grateful for your talents, I am grateful for your storytelling ability and your good ideas and your bold opinions.
- 55:39Crista Cowan: Um I am so grateful for all of it because I am a better person because of it.
- 55:45Crista Cowan: This is a better podcast because of it.
- 55:48Crista Cowan: Um, so we are celebrating with apparently cheese dip um the end of season two and the celebration of this country.
- 55:59Crista Cowan: And I want to just make sure we pause and celebrate that.
- 56:02Crista Cowan: So thank you for doing this episode with me because I think it's important that we do that, that we take time to celebrate those things.
- 56:10Crista Cowan: But then we're just gonna roll right into season three, Lisa.
- 56:14Lisa Elzey: We're not taking a pause because we don't do pauses.
- 56:16Lisa Elzey: We don't take vacations.
- 56:19Lisa Elzey: We really don't take vacations.
- 56:21Lisa Elzey: Um first of all, thank you for the beautiful things you said.
- 56:24Lisa Elzey: And on behalf of me and I think thousands and thousands of listeners and fans everywhere who adore you, thank you for sharing.
- 56:34Lisa Elzey: Thank you for giving yourself to people.
- 56:36Lisa Elzey: And I know we're just having a weep fest.
- 56:38Lisa Elzey: Sorry, it's been a very long season of awesome.
- 56:40Lisa Elzey: But um, you every week show up and you give, and you really give and you're not afraid.
- 56:48Lisa Elzey: That's hard, and you're not afraid, you just give and hope.
- 56:54Lisa Elzey: And I think if everyone could do what you do, the world will be a much better place.
- 57:01Crista Cowan: I love you.
- 57:01Crista Cowan: I love you too.
- 57:02Crista Cowan: Well, so for all of you, thank you, because we couldn't keep showing up and doing what we are doing if you weren't out there listening and watching, and we're so grateful for you.
- 57:14Crista Cowan: Um, whether you joined us last week or whether this is the first episode you're hearing, or whether you have been with us since episode one, thank you.
- 57:22Crista Cowan: Um, keep listening, leave comments on YouTube, write reviews on your podcast apps, like help other people find this podcast because we believe very strongly that stories matter, that your stories matter, and that when we can tell our family stories, it connects us in ways that we can't even imagine.
- 57:45Crista Cowan: And so we're excited to roll right into season three next week and hope you will join us.
- 57:52Crista Cowan: We've got some really fun things planned for the new season.
- 57:57Crista Cowan: Season three.
- 57:59Crista Cowan: Okay, more cheese and crackers.
- 58:03Lisa Elzey: Yes, do you like it?
- 58:04Crista Cowan: This is delicious.
- 58:04Crista Cowan: I think it's so good, but it's very rich.
- 58:07Crista Cowan: It is super rich.
- 58:08Crista Cowan: I think I can have one more.
- 58:10Lisa Elzey: They said very specifically don't get the real bacon, get the fake stuff.
- 58:15Lisa Elzey: What about ancelery?
- 58:17Crista Cowan: I don't want to end with tears.
- 58:18Crista Cowan: That looks funny.
- 58:18Lisa Elzey: Happy birthday.
- 58:19Lisa Elzey: Studio sponsored by Ancestry.