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Germanic Occultism with Mark from MFTIC · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: Something's going to happen?
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  Speaker 2: What? What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode. We got a
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  Speaker 2: very very very special guest, but before we get to him,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna have to introduce all of the eight of them,
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  Speaker 2: the rejects with us tonight before we get to Mark.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so let's start with Lisa, cult reject, mad scientist.
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  Speaker 2: What is going on?
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  Speaker 4: Lisa, how's it going? Leccome very forward to this conversation,
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  Speaker 4: very very huge fan of dramanic occultism, so I am
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  Speaker 4: very excited to talk about it, and especially with their
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  Speaker 4: guest Mark and everyone in the Occult Rejects. The thing
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  Speaker 2: Awesome, thank you very much. And next we have Frida
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  Speaker 5: you guys so much, thank you, thank you Lisa, thank
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  Speaker 5: you to the whole or thank you markin of course.
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  Speaker 2: Of course we got Julia cosmic Peach joining us. What
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  Speaker 2: is going on?
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  Speaker 6: What's up? I'm excited for this one. Thanks for having
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  Speaker 6: me as usual cosmic Peach podcasts where I really listen
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  Speaker 6: to podcasts, listen.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much Julia. And next we got Ricardo.
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  Speaker 2: What is going on?
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  Speaker 1: Sir? How are you good? Evening?
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  Speaker 7: Everyone, Thank you for having me once more here and
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  Speaker 7: I'm looking forward to learn from Mac today. As for me,
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  Speaker 7: I'm a multi disciplinary researcher. You can find me at
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  Speaker 7: Just fill in the professional positions and we'll get in
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  Speaker 7: touch with you. So thank you for taking me.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, of course, always love having you one. Ricardo. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: we got Ethan Indigo. What is going on?
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  Speaker 8: To honor to be here with everyone? This is gonna
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  Speaker 8: be exciting. Ethan Indigo Smith on all the usual social
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  Speaker 8: media article recently on Occult Research Institute and yeah, more
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  Speaker 8: to come on the esoteric and esoteric. And again appreciate everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, always appreciate you coming on. And we got
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  Speaker 2: the man himself. It's been a minute, finally got him on.
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  Speaker 2: Time's worked out, align the stars aligned. We got the man,
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  Speaker 2: Robbie Marks, the storyteller on tonight. What is going on, Robbie, Oh.
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  Speaker 9: Just cranking, trying to get out. We're getting out the
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  Speaker 9: half in a very busy but yeah, I'm our Marx.
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  Speaker 9: I'm an artist illustrator and I've been researching for about
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Robby. And we got Jewels from
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  Speaker 2: Great Pilled Podcast joining us tonight as well. What is up, Jewels.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad you got on as well. I know I've
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  Speaker 2: been bugging you lately and we made this happen as well.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you you're beauty. You muted it, Bud, Sorry you muted.
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  Speaker 2: He's like fun. I gotta settle over.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, Nick, I'm always muted. Thank you for
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  Speaker 3: having me on again. I appreciate it. Man, it's good
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  Speaker 3: to see you, Lisa, Ricardo, Ethan and of course Mark,
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  Speaker 3: you know, shouts out Mark, what's up?
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  Speaker 2: Mark?
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  Speaker 3: It's good to meet Jen, Robert and Julia. So yeah, man,
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  Speaker 3: uh looking forward to the conversation tonight.
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  Speaker 1: And uh what one unfold?
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  Speaker 2: As JJ would say, it's going to be a barn burner.
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  Speaker 3: But uh yeah, you found me at Great Pilled Pod
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  Speaker 2: Is it? Yeah all right, yeah, thank you very much. Jules.
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  Speaker 2: Oh not about five minutes in the guests, I already
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  Speaker 2: forgot what the topic is. At this point. Uh, we
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  Speaker 2: got the one and only Mark from my family thinks
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  Speaker 2: it's crazy, joining us tonight to talk about dramatic occultism.
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  Speaker 2: What is going on? Mark? Please let everybody know who
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  Speaker 2: doesn't know who you are, what is up with you?
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  Speaker 2: Where they can find all your amazing work?
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  Speaker 1: Please? Oh wow, thank you. You really pulled out all
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  Speaker 1: the stops for me here tonight, and I appreciate it
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  Speaker 1: well a long time coming here on h on the
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  Speaker 1: occult rejects. Sorry if I start talking like Trump. I
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  Speaker 1: was hanging out with my Fox News watching Grandparents today.
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  Speaker 1: But anyways, my family thinks I'm crazy. That's the name
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  Speaker 1: of my podcast and it's a true statement. So if
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  Speaker 1: you're obsessed with weird, strange stuff, your family probably thinks
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  Speaker 1: you're crazy too. So listen to my podcast and pick
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  Speaker 1: up a few tips. Because I've been dealing with it
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  Speaker 1: since I first was able to utter a thoughtful sentence,
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  Speaker 1: so always always getting questions from people, why, why are
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  Speaker 1: you looking into that? What? And then sure enough it
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  Speaker 1: actually paid off fifteen years later. So here we are
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  Speaker 1: talking about a topic that sort of came out of
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  Speaker 1: the blue for me and the grand scheme of things.
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  Speaker 1: But now has somewhat become an obsession in some ways.
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  Speaker 2: Very obsessed with and Nazis and all that shit.
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  Speaker 1: So I get it right, Yeah, it's it's it's something
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  Speaker 1: that affects the entirety of Western civilization posts a certain
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  Speaker 1: time period that we'll get into. So yeah, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: big implications, and it could be a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: my own bias. You know, when you start holding a hammer,
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  Speaker 1: everything becomes a nail, that kind of logic. But there's
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of interesting stuff
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  Speaker 1: that I hope we can get into tonight. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can kick it off now, or I can pass
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  Speaker 1: it on to someone else and we can ask questions.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, essentially, the phrase Germanic occultism is like
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  Speaker 1: the phrase American fast food.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good way to put it.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, Yeah, that's that's that's kind of like my what
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  Speaker 1: do you call it in college? Your thesis statement? Right, So,
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  Speaker 1: as you'll see today, Germany has played a big role
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  Speaker 1: in this sort of strange part of culture. So where
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  Speaker 1: should we start. I'll take this silence and pause to
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  Speaker 1: light this up for me. It started in New Haven, Connecticut,
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  Speaker 1: where one way or another. I started looking into Scull
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  Speaker 1: and Bones, the fraternity at Yale, and the pervading rumor,
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  Speaker 1: although it's not particularly substantiated, but there's enough for me
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  Speaker 1: to feel confident. But the rumor is that scull and
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  Speaker 1: Bones is the second chapter of a German order, the
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  Speaker 1: Order of Skull and Bones. And somewhere in the Scull
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  Speaker 1: and Bones tomb at Yale University, I believe, over the
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  Speaker 1: fireplace on the second floor, there's a painting or a picture,
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  Speaker 1: maybe an old time picture of a skull and some
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  Speaker 1: other things on a table, something like this, and the
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  Speaker 1: phrase in German that says, you know, we were beggars,
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  Speaker 1: we were kings, we were gods, we were fools, but
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  Speaker 1: in the end we're all the same, right, something to
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  Speaker 1: that effect. Basically death the great equalizer. So as I
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  Speaker 1: studied Skull and Bones and looked into you know what
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  Speaker 1: is this all about? You know, why does Yale University
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  Speaker 1: have a strange contingency of very wealthy and powerful and
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  Speaker 1: connected and wealthy like megal wealthy people and they're all
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  Speaker 1: going through this one small group that only takes fifteen
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  Speaker 1: people per senior class. So here we are German occultism.
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  Speaker 1: Because if Scull and Bones is the second chapter of
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  Speaker 1: something that started in Germany, well what's going on in Germany?
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  Speaker 7: Right?
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  Speaker 1: So we can save skull and Bones and all that
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  Speaker 1: fascinating stuff for another conversation. But when I I looked
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  Speaker 1: into you know, what is Germany and what is German occultism,
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  Speaker 1: it was like you know that meme where Charlie has
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  Speaker 1: like all this stuff on the wall with the lines
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  Speaker 1: and it's going crazy. But if like a dump truck
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  Speaker 1: of papers came through the door at the same time, like,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot. And that's mainly because Germany it's younger
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  Speaker 1: as a country than America is, and they didn't exist
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  Speaker 1: when America was formed. They were city states and small kingdoms,
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  Speaker 1: emperors and all sorts of political YadA YadA that got
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  Speaker 1: basically consolidated consolidated up into and after, particularly World War One.
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  Speaker 1: So again, like I said before we started the conversation,
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to talk much about the Nazis because
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  Speaker 1: there was so much to talk about. It pertains to
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  Speaker 1: Germany just prior to excuse me, world War One, and again,
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  Speaker 1: world War one was kind of what created Germany as
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  Speaker 1: a country in many ways, but before that, it was
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  Speaker 1: a hodgepodge of different types of government. One of the
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  Speaker 1: most famous is the Bavaria, right, this little place called Bavaria,
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  Speaker 1: which created the Bavarian Illuminati. And some people have said, well,
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  Speaker 1: that must be the first chapter of the Order of
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  Speaker 1: Skull and Bones. I don't think it's that simple. So
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  Speaker 1: with Germany, again you have to understand it's only been
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  Speaker 1: a country for a couple centuries, and on top of that,
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  Speaker 1: there were all these pretty wealthy, powerful people in that area.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of at the center of Europe, the heart
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  Speaker 1: of Europe. It's above this major obstacle in Europe, which
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  Speaker 1: is the Alps. Right, so the Alps have kind of
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  Speaker 1: left Western Europe, France, Spain, Italy, even this sort of
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  Speaker 1: you know, stew in somewhat isolation at certain periods of history.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously there's different waves of people that have come in,
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  Speaker 1: but at a certain time in European history, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the people living in these regions around the Alps
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  Speaker 1: where either Germanic peoples or had some connection to Germanic peoples.
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  Speaker 1: And really, when you start looking at well, what is
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  Speaker 1: you know, this occultism, where does it start? It starts
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  Speaker 1: with runs Okay, now, Obviously, the Germans don't have single
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  Speaker 1: claim on ruins. Ruins are found in multiple different European cultures.
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  Speaker 1: In some way might argue that they're in Asian cultures
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  Speaker 1: as well. But the concept of the run is very
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  Speaker 1: similar to the Hebrew concept that essentially forms the Kabbala
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  Speaker 1: with its numerical alphabet, and these same concepts are mirrored
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  Speaker 1: in the runs in the sense that the notes are multidimensional,
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  Speaker 1: They mean more than just the sound that you are
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  Speaker 1: to utter when you read it. So in that way,
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  Speaker 1: the language base of many of what we now think
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  Speaker 1: of as the sort of Anglo Saxon, that kind of
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  Speaker 1: the groups of people that kind of were molded and
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  Speaker 1: shaped by what now we call English. Right Germany is
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  Speaker 1: a precursor to English. There's a couple of other lost
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  Speaker 1: languages that are in those sort of I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: the tree going to it, YadA, YadA, YadA, anything that
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  Speaker 1: you look at as far as pagan the occult in England,
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  Speaker 1: it's all connected to this sort of singular Runic origin.
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  Speaker 1: Now some people talk about this coming from the Tuata
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  Speaker 1: day done in which you can interpret maybe as the
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  Speaker 1: fallen angels. There's other people that go a step further
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  Speaker 1: and have other interpretations of that. There's also the again
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  Speaker 1: the melting pot of Germany. There's all these influences coming
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  Speaker 1: in from the South, from the Middle East, from Egypt, right,
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  Speaker 1: so a lot of mixing, and what you get is
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  Speaker 1: this sort of you know, culture of people who have
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of something from a lot of different places.
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  Speaker 1: And over time what you get are these peop people
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  Speaker 1: who are kind of like knowledge traders, right, Like they're
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  Speaker 1: in the center, so as people are moving through their area,
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  Speaker 1: that becomes sort of like the you know, key cultural
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  Speaker 1: value of those areas is that they're accumulating the knowledge
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  Speaker 1: of the people who are passing through to trade and
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  Speaker 1: make their way from Europe to the Holy Land and
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  Speaker 1: then back from the Holy Land to wherever they're from
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  Speaker 1: in Europe. And you know, again this great exchange all
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  Speaker 1: of the wisdom, knowledge, scientific innovation from the Arabic Renaissance,
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  Speaker 1: which was going on during the Dark Ages, right, So
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  Speaker 1: Europe was basically suppressed by the powers that be at
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  Speaker 1: the time, and because of that, these innovations were not
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  Speaker 1: shared with Europe on a large scale. And then when
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  Speaker 1: these crusades started happening, it was like the floodgates opened.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, all of this to say, and I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to pause and let you guys ask questions, all of
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  Speaker 1: this created what we now think of as the university system. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so this the origin of what we now think of
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  Speaker 1: as a university is in this region that we now
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  Speaker 1: call Germany. And it was these learned people who were
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  Speaker 1: in some ways trying to create political power with this, right,
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  Speaker 1: the Holy Roman Empire, which some people have said wasn't holy,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't Roman, and it wasn't really an empire. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So again you have this kind of weird identity crisis
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  Speaker 1: with and this is you know what people talk about
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  Speaker 1: when the Nazi conversation comes up. You have this really
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  Speaker 1: strange identity crisis too going on in these regions where
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  Speaker 1: you know, they're not exactly German, Like what that means
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  Speaker 1: to be German is kind of like a fabricated thing
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  Speaker 1: in the same way that you know, what it means
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  Speaker 1: to be American has been sort of created over the
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  Speaker 1: and shaped and changed over the past. You know, four
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  Speaker 1: hundred years of history in America, Well, in Germany it's
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  Speaker 1: a smaller period of time and they have a much
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  Speaker 1: larger history base to go off of. So what happens
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  Speaker 1: again with the the Nazis, which I'm not so well
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  Speaker 1: versed in, but what you'll learn when you when you
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  Speaker 1: type in German occultism is you'll get hit with the
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  Speaker 1: Nazis and you'll you'll learn that well, the Nazis they
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  Speaker 1: wanted to you know, sway the people. So they built
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  Speaker 1: up this mytho poetical propaganda. They created the idea of
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  Speaker 1: the ubermenschh and they used the myths and legends that
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  Speaker 1: were popular to the folk people, and they created this
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  Speaker 1: idea of a superior German Man. And this was the
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  Speaker 1: basis of the political fearvor that the furor you know, upheaved, right,
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  Speaker 1: So in that sense, you know, there's a there's a
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  Speaker 1: truth to that, but then there's also a denial of
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  Speaker 1: of of the other factors when you just look at that.
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  Speaker 1: So again, we don't need to spend really any time
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  Speaker 1: talking about the Nazi stuff, but it does really have
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  Speaker 1: its roots in this time period of Germany which we
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  Speaker 1: now talk about as the age of the Teutonic Knights. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So the Teutonic Knights were kind of like a more
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  Speaker 1: organized version of the Knights Templar and they became in
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  Speaker 1: essence the learned men who developed rose Crucianism. Okay, rose
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  Speaker 1: Crucianism was very very secretive, very unreal in the sense
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  Speaker 1: that people could kind of just pretend to be one,
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  Speaker 1: and you know some people might you know, not be
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  Speaker 1: one at all, but other people later in time were like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he was a Rosicrucian because they wanted to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: boost themselves up by association. But either way, this culture
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  Speaker 1: that was growing in that area became again the university system,
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  Speaker 1: and then conversely, in England it became freemasonry. And this
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  Speaker 1: is important because that gets into why World War One happened.
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  Speaker 1: So we don't have to get to that right now
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  Speaker 1: because I just said a lot. But essentially, what you
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  Speaker 1: have in Germany is a secret culture of people who
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  Speaker 1: don't really feel maybe necessarily nationalistic because their nation is
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  Speaker 1: so young, and maybe they have patriotic or patriarchal ties
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  Speaker 1: that go deeper. And this is where the culture of
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  Speaker 1: secret societies really flourishes, right because you have people who
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  Speaker 1: are used to the old system. A new system is
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  Speaker 1: imposed on them, and what do they do. They go
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  Speaker 1: underground so they can maintain those older structures. Of power,
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  Speaker 1: It connects to the Crusades, it goes back to the
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  Speaker 1: time of Pagans again with the Ruins. And if you
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  Speaker 1: look up like Teutonic paganism, you're going to find a
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  Speaker 1: lot of neopagan stuff, which is arguably synthetic in the
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  Speaker 1: sense that it's a synthesis of new stuff, like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the New Age is. But what you have
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  Speaker 1: to realize is that this country, Germany, produced some of
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  Speaker 1: the brilliant people that changed what became the twentieth century.
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  Speaker 1: So again the German people and everything that happened with Hitler.
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  Speaker 1: As a conspiracy theorist, we might argue that, well, obviously
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  Speaker 1: they wanted to, you know, get some rains on this
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  Speaker 1: machine before it, you know, ran amuck and became a
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  Speaker 1: behemoth or these And again I'm not a Nazi sympathizer
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  Speaker 1: in any way, but there's also the argument that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this was these people were not what they history tells
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  Speaker 1: us they are, and they had an idealistic goal in mind,
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  Speaker 1: and the whole issue with the Jews was not and
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  Speaker 1: so on and so forth. Right, So there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of conspiracies there. Again I'm not an expert in any
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  Speaker 1: of that. But I think it's important to understand the
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  Speaker 1: prehistory of what became Nazi Germany in order to really
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  Speaker 1: understand what we're going through today, because the terms Nazi
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  Speaker 1: have not died, like, people still use that term in
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  Speaker 1: a pejorative way, and you know, in a sense, it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of ironic because the people who practice socialism will
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  Speaker 1: then turn and call people who they consider republican or
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  Speaker 1: fascist trump They'll call them not Nazis, right even though
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  Speaker 1: their you know, ideology is very much in line with
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  Speaker 1: the national socialism and YadA, YadA, YadA. So there's a
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: lot of strange stuff going on. And I think once
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: you start to understand the nineteenth century and the sort
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: of foreshadowing of World War One, it starts to make
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: sense why Germany at some point in time became a target,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: right It was never a country of its own with
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: its own history, so it became a target, you know,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: basically by smaller countries around it. People who were within
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Germany who didn't feel again nationalistic towards this new nation
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: state idea, and in the age of imperialism, a lot
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: of people were like corporations fucked the government, like this
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: whole atheistic anarchist sentiment really came from that time period
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: when children were being forced to work in I mean
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: horrible conditions and that was the foundation that created their lives.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: So the children who grew up working in those conditions,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: what do you think their children ended up like? Right,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: So it's a degradation along with the progress that's been made. Right,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: It's sort of a bell curve kind of situation. But yeah,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I think the secret societies eventually just divorced themselves from
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: this idea of being attached to any nation, and it
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: was really convenient to do it in a place like
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Germany where things were kind of young and people again
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: didn't feel this connection necessarily. All of that had to
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: be kind of stirred up by these propagandists that were
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: part of the Nazis. And again, now you try to
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: look up some of this German occultism stuff, and it's
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: very murky because you get a lot of stuff about
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: the Nazis. But Faust, this, I mean, this is like
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: kind of the benchmark and a lot of the stuff
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: he wrote. I might be mixing his name with one
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: of his plays. I always do that with Faust. It's
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: either the names play.
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it is the play. It's by Girta or Goth
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: gootg So I'm thinking.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: So go, thank you, so Gota Gerta as the German,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: as a as an untrained Englishman, I say Ghoth. But
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: he was very much a pillar. When I talk about
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: the influence that Germany had on the rest of the world,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: and how they carried this idea of occultism into Western
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: civilization and it really became part and parcel to the
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: way we see the world now and how it's kind
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: of split up in rational materialism and super zealous religious
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: and everything in between. This is that Hegelian dialect that
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: you know, Hegel inspired so many with who were in
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: that area. George Hegel another interesting character who was at
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: some university in Germany. I think I said five or
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: ten minutes ago that I was going to pause so that.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I was like shit, I was like, you said one
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: more thing. I think it's been like three.
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: I'm like, I have a lot of stuff that goes
• 26:06
  Speaker 9: along with that. As far as Prussia, when you look
• 26:08
  Speaker 9: at all the surrounding duchies Pomeranian, you had the Habsburg
• 26:13
  Speaker 9: line that was basically working for the Roman Empire, and
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: they were coming in and slowly crushing out all these
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: small duchies and taking them over. And as far as
• 26:23
  Speaker 9: the university system, that's part of it, but you also
• 26:26
  Speaker 9: have the Prussian education system that was set up. There
• 26:29
  Speaker 9: was a school to military pipeline that basically John Dewey
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: and Man basically studied and brought back to the United
• 26:38
  Speaker 9: States and gave basically the United States the Prussian education system,
• 26:43
  Speaker 9: you know. So, but as far as all the vulk
• 26:46
  Speaker 9: and going back into the traditional you know, thoughts of
• 26:50
  Speaker 9: the people that were in the rhine Land, you get
• 26:54
  Speaker 9: into you know, like if you read James eu Frasier,
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: he goes on and on and on about all of
• 26:59
  Speaker 9: these fertility rituals and like sending a bull between two
• 27:04
  Speaker 9: fires to get the demon out from in between their
• 27:06
  Speaker 9: home worns and just like what was I going to say?
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: The uh?
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: But yeah, it's it's oh the u. In one part
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: he talked about if there was a traveler passing by
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: in the Rhineland that they would basically capture him and
• 27:22
  Speaker 9: sacrifice him to the corn goat or the depending on
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: the region. They had these different types of animals they
• 27:30
  Speaker 9: would make out of the the crops of the field
• 27:33
  Speaker 9: and so it was a big thing in regard to
• 27:36
  Speaker 9: the fertility of the land and that bringing forth life
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: to you know, feed the culture and the people basically.
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: But yeah, it's it's a it's a very interesting and
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: deep subject.
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: That's before Germany. You're saying, that's like free Germany.
• 27:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and Prussia they had promised them a constitutional government
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: over and over and over, and a lot of Prussia
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: really was was they were experimenting with different types of
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: corporate entities as far as using corporations to rule over government.
• 28:13
  Speaker 9: And I think this was a pre subsidiary and study
• 28:16
  Speaker 9: of what they later brought in regard to contract magic
• 28:20
  Speaker 9: to the rest of the world.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Thank you for all two that. Yeah, that's
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: that's it's and it's important to say that Prussia was
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: not necessarily a part of Germany until later on, and
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Prussia kind of collapsed I think before World War two,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: or maybe because of World War One. Yeah, but yeah,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: it definitely it was a aggressive adversarial influence and that
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: whole fertility cult dynamic. One book that is really interesting
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: that I encourage people to seek out. It's titled Nights,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: and it studies a particular place in Italy but this
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: was not isolated to Italy these types of practices. What
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: they would do is they would have warlocks and witches
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: in the community who were essentially designated in their childhood
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: because of certain attributes that were displayed, characteristics, signs that
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: this person might have, you know, other worldly abilities, which
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I kind of believe that these things are naturally expressed
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: when humans are in a more natural environment or an
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: environment that's more natural for our biology. But either way,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: they would battle with other regions nearby in their dreams.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: So these witches and warlocks would wear certain outfits to bed,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: and because the clothing they were wearing had been charged
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: all day or I forget exactly the specifics of the ritual,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: but they would wear these battle outfits to bed and
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: then in their dreams go and fight with other agrarian
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: communities in the area over exactly what our mars just
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: pointed out, the fertility cult because there was sort of
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: like this idea that the abundance or the fertility that
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: the earth could offer was limited and maybe you know,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: if you couldn't beckon favor from the gods, well you
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: can maybe you know, hurt your enemy so they don't
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: get as much of that energy and more of it
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: comes to you. I'm sure there's other justifications for it.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Is a hiss and uh I think hess and Crowley
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: were doing. They were dressing up in these like robes
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: with all these sigils on them and like kind of
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: having a duel or something like as like a chaos
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: wizard or.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know context, it's like wow, like
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: during World War two to people who were loosely affiliated
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: with either sides of the Axis and ally powers were
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: battling each other with the cult symbols behind the sites.
• 31:23
  Speaker 10: I got a story about that.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: This is ancient time go ahead.
• 31:27
  Speaker 10: Right, So in World War two, the Nazis actually used
• 31:31
  Speaker 10: dowsers as their means of hunting submarines. So they were
• 31:36
  Speaker 10: using map dowsers using the pendulums to find out where
• 31:39
  Speaker 10: these submarines were, and they actually had a pretty good
• 31:41
  Speaker 10: track record of doing it until Gerald Gardner was passed
• 31:46
  Speaker 10: by the British government to start doing Cone of Power
• 31:49
  Speaker 10: rituals with his Wika group, and so they were blocking
• 31:54
  Speaker 10: the Nazi dowsers from finding these submarines. They also used
• 31:58
  Speaker 10: dowsing to find al Ducce in Italy because they kept
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: transferring between these palaces and they actually got an extraction
• 32:07
  Speaker 10: team to pull uh, you know, the dictator of Italy
• 32:10
  Speaker 10: out using these mapdousers and trying to find his location.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Wow, that really makes you think, like was the whole
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: war done behind the scenes through all these certain like
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: kind of.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: And this is more examples to demonstrate that point that
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: you just brought out jewels and you made a great
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: point like this is going on behind the scenes, and
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you it's been going on.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, from what you mentioned, it was happening way earlier
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: in these other kind of Germanic yeah communities.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Man Napolian in his Great Conquest, what was one of
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: the things he did. He went to Egypt and he
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: basically inspired the creation of what we now think of
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: as Egyptology because he sent so many of his skilled
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: learned you know, they didn't call them scientists at the time,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: but they were essentially scientists before scientists were recognized as scientists,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: and they studied Egypt and they brought all these you know,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: illustrations back to different universities and you know this. Yeah,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: it was it was like this resurgence that in some ways,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: like people might have heard about these mummy parties where
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: they would take a mummy. They would these wealthy people
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: who could afford to buy mummy, they would unwrap it
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: at a party. I mean, could you imagine.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: From it, right?
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: They would run the fuck up right now, It's like
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: for rich people. That's like the rich people cat nip and.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: They just.
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: Know it was taken like a like medicine.
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Marina abram God ritual where she gives you a fake
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: human body to eat, and the ritual aspect of it, Yeah,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: might have some medicinal value if you're in that state
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: of mind. I mean, Placebo is a powerful thing. Who
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: knows what the help she's adding to that cake mix.
• 34:27
  Speaker 10: All the people who could afford to buy these mummies
• 34:30
  Speaker 10: and consume them were probably in these bloodlines.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: They go all the way back to Egypt raw.
• 34:40
  Speaker 10: Eating their ancestors. That's what they're doing. I mean, that's ancestraphagi.
• 34:44
  Speaker 10: That's very common.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: See.
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: That's why I'm That's why I'm glad I'm broke, is
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: because if I was rich and I had to do
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: this ship, I fucking killed myself, Like really, I have
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: to eat dead corpse moldy dusty ass and they didn't
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: see it like rolling wouldn't.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: You would be a truly conditioned like your whole life
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: is mansions and fine dining and you know you're so
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: sick of like the most expensive plate here. Could imagine
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: buying at a restaurant that you're like, oh yeah, let's
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: spice it up with charred bone from a you know,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: torture ye because I don't know where this you or
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: this was going to go maybe YouTube, but god forbid.
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: We still do it today. Rhinoceros. Uh, you're going to
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: that was? That's stuff they still do it today.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: A Chinese medicines and powders and you know starfish.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: Actually put against poisons so that youly make cups out
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: of it, like three thousand years in China.
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: So I did have a question for Mark, just really quick,
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: cool I do eventually did you say that the I'm
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: probably going to say this wrong, but it was the
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: to off the Denan people. Yes, they were in and
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: around that area before like Germany was like popping off
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: hard or they were like trying to settle that area
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: or what were they.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: So to my memory, which could be a little faulty,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: there were a group of people that we remember as
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the Fomorians, and they actually sound a lot more like
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: what we now think of as sasquatch, maybe what we
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: would have called in the past giants or nephelim. And
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: then there was a counterpart to the Fomorians who were
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: battling the Fomorians, and they had a different name. But
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I think Tuatha day done In it's kind of like
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: a term that falsely gets used to call these people,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: but really like that's more like like you wouldn't call
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: you know, the Lord of the Rings characters, those guys
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: from the Lord of the Rings, you'd call them hobbits,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: right or the wizard, So kind of like that Like this,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I think the Tuatha day done In is like the
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: legend itself, and then there are characters within it that
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: are these people that, according to the legend came from
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: the other world. Okay, now in.
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: And return to it. What's that and return to it? Right?
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: Well, I lost the battle that left depicts in the Ireland.
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: So they lost, they lost the last battle. That's why
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: it's called the last Battle of of the of the City.
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: And they retribute to the to their dimension.
• 37:54
  Speaker 9: And there's some also links with them to the Tower
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: of Babel as well.
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I was gonna say that. It's like they're
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: the ancient Bloodliners, right, They're like the ones people assume
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: are some type of Nepheline type beings, magical beings. And
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: I don't know, I mean, I think some of them
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: stuck around. I think we got traces of them.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Think about it like this, We have all these we'll
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: call them a Runic legends and the Tuatha Dayden, and
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: this story is kind of in that culture of Celtic
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: gal you know, the Nordic and the fusion of those
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: people into what became kind of this idea of a
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: German person, right, all of that was floating around in
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the folklore, and then they start mixing and intermingling with
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: the Moors and the Jews and the Arabs, and they're like,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you guys have the same stories. Like
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: you guys are talking about these beings too. So this
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: is kind of where some of the people were like,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: all right, let's you know, let's consolidate this, right. And
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that was right because a lot of
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: people were killed under the cross and a sword. You know,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: the whole Christianization of Europe and and we still have
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: that going on in some ways today with what's going
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: on in Gaza. So we don't need to get super political.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: But yeah, there's there's definitely some implications that still carry
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: through to this day. But to get it all back to,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: you know, this idea that warfare and occultism might be
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: somehow connected, like if you go back to the you know,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the furthest reaches of what warfare was, every single general
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: who's worth his salt had a mystic, a seer, a disigner,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: and astronomer exactly. Yeah, they all.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: RELI had like twelve of them in the White House, Dude,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure he had twelvenomers.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was astrologer. Sorry, Reagan had Hollywood astrology.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: This is a little different. Maybe some scientology he mixed
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: in there too, So yeah.
• 40:10
  Speaker 10: That Hollywood astrologer. Though she's the one who advised them
• 40:13
  Speaker 10: on the just Say No campaign and going really hard
• 40:16
  Speaker 10: on drugs because his whole, uh, his whole campaign was
• 40:19
  Speaker 10: kind of falling apart because people saw how how he
• 40:22
  Speaker 10: was deteriorating physically, and so his astrologer suggested, you need
• 40:26
  Speaker 10: a cause that everybody can rally around. And that's when
• 40:29
  Speaker 10: they started this just say no campaign because it was
• 40:32
  Speaker 10: astrologically significant.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: Well, somebody brought up the other day how like Mary
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: Todd Lincoln was in there conjuring freaking dead corpses and
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: shit too. I mean, they were all kind of into
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: that stuff. But it's it's kind of like what Mark
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: was saying, if you go back past the Nazis, and
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: you go back past like all the sensationalized stuff, all
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: of this has its roots in some type of like
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: ancient occultism, like ancient.
• 41:03
  Speaker 9: And stuff.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Mark. You I have a question from Mark, did you
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: have any did you have any your research look at
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: a specific location in Germany as we're stopping, because in
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: some of the work that Nick and I did, we
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: were noticing how some of these very notorious oultist Michael
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: Myers and R. Krumroth. Kunroth was the guy who basically
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Yates referred to him as the link between John D
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: and Roschrustianism because he was able to tie in let's
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: see by Thagorian alchemy kabala all that there are a
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: specific area in Germany.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Are you talking about Francis Yates? Yates? Would you say.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: Yates had had had done an analysis on Heinrich Kumro.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, okay, interesting that that name is new
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: But Berlin say this, when you look at the Bapho met,
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: the bathroom met came from Heinrich Kumros.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, it didn't. So it didn't come from Levy.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: No, Levy even quotes in his book from honest Hieroglyphica
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: Heinrich Kunraft.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: I know about Moon, so I have to correct myself
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: on my own show.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Then, Yeah, there's something I just wanted to get into
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: kind of real quick.
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I just want to sorry, it's my show. I was
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: just trying to speak. Uh uh Then I'm just bussing
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: your blesmore. Uh. I'm glad you mentioned the Ross because
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I wasn't exactly sure how far back you were going
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: to go, and like Lisa kind of even just touched
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: on it right now, And this is I kind of
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: wanted to go back to where we were, maybe even
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: a little bit earlier. And it's just a thing with
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: with Germany or where it was. I could even say,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: you go back to the fourteen hundreds. You got Johannes Trithemiez,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: you got Paracelsus, and you got Heinrich Cornelius or Grippa
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: out there. Then into like the fifteen hundreds, you get
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: John d Heinrik Kumrath, Michael Mayer, somebody we covered too. Uh.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: He was a was a crucial like apologist. Uh. Then
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: you get like Jacob Boehm, Johannes Andre and I think
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Robert Flubb was out there too, Blah blah blah. You
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: get all these people, You get all these all these
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: people out in that like either they were from there
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: or they specifically went there. And I'm just wondering, is
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: there like something up with Germany in general? Is there
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: something to do with the land. Is there a different
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: understanding because like those people they even mentioned me were
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: huge and alchemy.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Because Nick, your your spot on and it helps me
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: answer Elle's question because that was a great question too.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: And I'm yeah, still I'm looking at his Wikipedia page.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I've never seen him before, but he was a disciple
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: of Paracelsus, which was another person in that realm. It
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: says they were in Dresden, which was bombed terribly during
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I think World War two. Yeah, so they were trying
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: to destroy as much as they could there. I wouldn't
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: be surprised if that was a spot. But Prague is
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: another big one, although not in Germany today. Back then
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: it was a little maybe more accessible, and again, the
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Holy Roman Empire was kind of centered there, so a
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: lot of alchemy and this kind of occultism was there.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: But all of this to say, again, remember this concept
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: of the university and how it sort of was born
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: in this melting pot that became Germany, the land area
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: that we now know as Germany. There was a legend
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: in this region of the school of the Solomandre. And
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: I might not be saying that the way the Germans
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: would have said it, but essentially this legend was that
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: every you know, full moon, once a year, I think
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: it would have been maybe on Bell Taane around Halloween,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: thirteen men would be recruited into the forests and the
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: devil himself would teach them in the magical arts. And
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: this legend was pervasive for you know, more than a
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: couple centuries. It was kind of like a hey, be
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: careful where you go in the woods because there's a
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: school of like you know, wizards and warlocks taught by
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: the devil himself. Now we can say, okay, maybe there's
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: some metaphysical portal or some kind of supernatural explanation there,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: or this was some sort of offshoot of a much
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: older cult that survived the collapse. So the Roman Empire,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Mithraism was a big, you know, the state cult of
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Rome and had a lot of these sort of fertility
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: rituals and other things that have made their way into
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: our culture today. The Carnival, I mean the you know,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: the fact that we celebrate Christmas on what is it,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: what's the the the the Roman holiday where they like
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: thank you yep Rnalia, which again connects back to this
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: skull and bones idea and death. The Saturn is like
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: the planet of death, and there's this kind of concept
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: that you know, we can bring the you know Savior
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: back if we all you know, destroy the world. This
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: like millennialism concept that a lot of extreme Christian sex
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: get into. They get into this concept that the apocalypse
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: is happening now, the Armageddon is happening.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: You know you've seen people maybe not anymore, but I
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: remember growing up, you know, occasionally someone would leave a
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: pamphlet on your door or something Jehovah Witness or what
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: have you, and it would be like, look at the
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: end times are happening now, right.
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: Steal the la Mark, Yes, up in your area.
• 47:20
  Speaker 10: Up in your area, they have the Millerites. And the
• 47:23
  Speaker 10: Millerites were this sect of people who in the eighteen
• 47:26
  Speaker 10: forties decided that Jesus was coming back, and so they
• 47:28
  Speaker 10: sold all of their stuffs, and when they did, they
• 47:33
  Speaker 10: ended up, you know, losing out. Obviously you didn't come back,
• 47:36
  Speaker 10: and so they ended up all joining the Mormons and
• 47:38
  Speaker 10: moving out to Utah. So I mean, that's a that's
• 47:44
  Speaker 10: a pretty good example right there.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: Well, you brought up something interesting, actually headless a few
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: minutes ago, about angles, So I actually have three of
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: them that I wrote down, because obviously all things that
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: arise in materiality arise in time. So Mark also brought
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: up Saturn. Saturn is actually not the planet of death. Mark,
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: I just want to correct the record on this. Mars
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: is really the planet of death, and this is more
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: traditional Vidic understanding. So I wanted to ask you about chronology.
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: So this obviously plays off of Lisa's and Nix's sort
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: of point, because the chronology for what is codified, like
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: what you're calling runic texts, that didn't happen until over
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: twelve hundred years after the more we'll say central, we'll
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: call them Central Asian texts. So for occultism, what came
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: about in Runic language is extremely late in comparison as
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: well as the tree Glave of God. So I thought
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: this was really interesting to go off Lisa's point of
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: the alpha met figure, because there's a Pomeranian deity who
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: looks a lot like Shiva. Shiva sometimes depicted with three heads.
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: He really has five, but you know, three and Saturn
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: kind of go together. So yeah, so if you I
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: don't know if you know about that. But his cult
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: actually only ended in the same time, so like the
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: twelve thirteen hundreds that the Runic texts actually arose. So
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: I think that's really interesting. And by this time India
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: had fully converted away from the Vitas into the Paronic Hinduism,
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: and so that is a rejection of the Vita Kyajhna
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: like the horse eagle, human sacrifice, so all of that
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: is rejected and it becomes more about well Bactis a
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: little bit later in the seventeen hundreds, but like things
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: like that, like it's more ritualistic a little more, it's
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: more personal with the deity. It's not so state ritual,
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: but I think that also. My last point is is
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: about the Arab Renaissance. So this is a contentious issue
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: in Central Asian studies simply because the Arabs quote unquote
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: who really innovated were actually Mugalized Indians. So the Mogalized
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: rulers of India during this chronic period, they were the
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: ones who were synthesizing the Vedic texts often are not
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: vetic excuse me, contric texts, uh, chronic astrology texts and
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: the Shastras, sometimes by way of Iran, but usually by
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: way of India and the Himalayas especially. So I just
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: think that's really interesting because you mentioned the Ruins. Obviously
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: we have this idea and sounds great of the beijas
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: the seed syllables Kabala has the sufferer of their negative space,
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: so it's it's like the unmanifest.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Sound well, and that that reminds me of of well,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: and I should say thank you because I just learned
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: a few things there for sure, and now I didn't
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: know some of that. I think I'm doing my best
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: to paint more of a broad strokes of the history
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: so people can have some more you know, Key concepts
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: to then do their own research and verify the things
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: that I'm saying, because you know, it's not all perfect.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I don't have a degree in this. I'm sure an
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: academic would probably laugh at what I'm saying. But either way, yeah,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: very interesting point. And I think Germany or this region
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: that became known as Germany, was very much in this
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: auspicious area where it could garner that influence from you know,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: that part of the world, the Asia, Central Asia and beyond,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: before the rest of Western Europe could. And because of that,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: you see this what we now think of as like
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: the when Eastern mysticism starts to filter into European culture
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: and really you know, creates what then becomes in some
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: ways the proto New Age, right, this theosophy movement where
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: people are kind of blending things from different religions and
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: supernatural belief systems together into this. Sorry, there's some bikers
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: across the street interrupting me. So there's a lot going
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: on in this whole conversation. So any clarifications that any
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: of you have are welcome from me.
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: Well, Mark, I just wanted to ask a question because
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: I might be wrong here, because I see we've been
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: talking about Germanic occultism, and I haven't heard a word
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: about the Norse. So it all starts there. So about
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: five hundred PC maybe earlier still, so they expanded all
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: the way into Russia. They had trade routes going back
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: and forward. They assimilated and produced most of their mythology
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: into into the Russian and vice versa. So and the
• 52:52
  Speaker 7: Ruins were born there. So they're in the Norse area.
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: So how do you realize all of this, like egdress.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm glad you raised that point because I
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: did mention it, but I probably just glossed over it.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: But that is the foundation of what we consider now
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: paganism in this area. Right nowadays it's just kind of
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: glossed over all they were pagans. But you're right, it
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: was a Nordic fusion of the Really, the basis was
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: this Nordic ideology, and as it moved south, you know,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: things got added into it. Right, The Roman Greek cultures
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: sort of fused with this. But these guys that we
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: think of as Teutonic knights, I mean, if you were
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: to put them in a lineup, you might think they
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: were vikings because of the way they dressed. The weapons.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: So yeah, the cultural influences and connections were were definitely there.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: It was the southern extent of that Nordic culture, so absolutely,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: but it was very much influenced by the moving eastward
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: and westward in that part of Germany or now Germany,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: whereas Scandinavia was much more isolated, right, so their culture
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: still retains a lot of that, whereas old was confused
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: and gold and it was diffused into the oh yeah
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: it's very cold, yeah, absolutely, but it was more so
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: diffused into you know what happened as things changed throughout
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: you know, what became the Industrial Revolution, World Wars, I
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: mean one of them still an anarchy, so not much
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: has changed up there.
• 54:46
  Speaker 7: So how do you associate the fact that some organizations
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: that we I don't know the name at least you
• 54:52
  Speaker 7: might know that used elements like Sintchermain for instance, to
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: reorganize the whole Central Europe into new kingdoms, new kings,
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: new rules, deposing great kings and substituting by new kings
• 55:10
  Speaker 7: and reorganizing Germany as we see it today much earlier
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: than the First World War. How do you see that
• 55:18
  Speaker 7: who to you was behind the scenes and controlling thesh
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: real agents, not like zero zero seven, but real agents
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: on the field that were dominating this scenario.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the people of this portion of Europe
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: had some catching up to do in a sense, right,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: because as the great Pilgrims left Europe and went to
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: America and the revolution happened. You know, obviously Freemason these
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: a cult, Freemasonry and these occult groups had made their
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: way all across Europe by then, but they have their
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: origins in this area, right, So the people in this area,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: after all these wars going on, I mean the nineteenth century,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: in the eighteenth century, there are a lot of wars
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: in Europe going on at different periods with different factions
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: of people. And through all this upheaval you have the
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: American Revolution that happens before that, you have what happens
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: in England where you know, they create the parliament and
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: so on and so forth, the monarchy comes back, right
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: the French they decapitate their monarchy, you know, they have
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: a revolution. So this type of thinking, this kind of
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: idea like we should you know, change things, and you
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: know in a radical way, this was looming on this area,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: which was obviously a source of anxiety for the powers
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: that be. These smaller in comparison to France and United
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: States and the United Kingdom. I don't know that it
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: was called that then yet, but England, you know, they
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: were all are in comparison, and you know.
• 57:04
  Speaker 7: Prussia wasn't that big, so right.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Well, and again there's this revolutionary sentiment going on that's
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: changing the whole world. So you have this balance of
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: you have some groups who are trying to again kind
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: of secretly keep the old world establishment influential, while at
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: the same time trying to figure out what to do
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: with all these revolutionaries. And some people would argue that
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: some of the subsequent revolutions that affected you know, Russia
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: in a major way, Germany in a major way, were artificially,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: you know, sort of fomented by you know, people on
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: the perimeter, not necessarily the countries that ultimately fell victim
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: to these cultural movements. It's very hard to pin down.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: It's very murky. That's why the idea of the illuminati
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: is so pervasive. If I had to answer your question
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: as precisely as I could, I would look to the
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: University of Ingolstad. I would look to the players in
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Berlin at the time around, you know, this very crucial
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: time period where again they're sort of reacting to what's
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: gone on in America and France and they're like, all right,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: what are we going to do? And the Illuminati has
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: created it was a short lived venture.
• 58:29
  Speaker 7: Of Louis fourteen and Louis fifteen, so against Belgium, against England,
• 58:34
  Speaker 7: the reorganization of Prussia into into Germany, pro pro proto country,
• 58:40
  Speaker 7: the elimination of kings. This is much earlier than that,
• 58:43
  Speaker 7: so it precedes all that these organizations were already on
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: the field programming what we have today. Let's put it
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: this way. So I was just curious if you have
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: a name for that organization because that has eluded me
• 58:57
  Speaker 7: on my research.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: No, no, and I people have a lot more to
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: offer in this topic than I do, because you know,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: I'm going into this trying to figure out, you know,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: what's going on with skull and Bones, and then I
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: run into, you know, like I said, this dump truck
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: of information that is a cult Germany. So yeah, there's
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: a lot, and I don't know, Cort.
• 59:21
  Speaker 9: I didn't want to stay. Oh sorry, go ahead.
• 59:24
  Speaker 10: It should be pointed out though, that in World War One,
• 59:27
  Speaker 10: the Europe wiped out nine out of ten of their aristocrats,
• 59:32
  Speaker 10: so it was severely limited by the time that World
• 59:35
  Speaker 10: War Two came around and they didn't really have any
• 59:37
  Speaker 10: of that kind of leadership, so they were all looking
• 59:39
  Speaker 10: for a new leader.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: And this kind of brings me to maybe answer Ricardo's
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: question a little bit better too. Not my own work
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: or research, but I recently was listening to Joe atwill
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: talk on the Higher Side Chats, and I believe in
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: this conversation he mentioned that by the time of your
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: World War One, most of the monarchs in Europe were
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: related in some way to Queen Victoria, and Queen Victoria
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: was the German infiltration of the English monarchy in many ways,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: though you have the again, those powers that be were
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: stressed out in the revolutionary time. They're like, what are
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: we gonna do? Where are we gonna go? We create
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: these sort of secret societies and you sort of see
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: them behind the scenes amalgamate their powers into these nations
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: that then become these groups that you know, I think
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: might be best named as the builder Burghs, right, if
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: we're talking about Europe, I mean, the builder Burgs would
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: probably be the people that are retaining the bloodline. That's
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: I mean a little bit of a cop out because
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: I haven't researched that myself to the mp degree. But yeah,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a strange web of history. But I
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: think when you look at England and that age of imperialism,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: there's a strong German connection. Even in America. A lot
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: of the industry in America was done by German immigrants.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: That's where the Vladdy Vlady impaler that whole.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 7: Right, grandpe and of Prince Charles, right, so Grandpa and
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: no uncle, grandparent uncle off Prince.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: Charles through the Germanic bloodline, right, Okay, they were all Germanic,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: so right, right, right, Okay.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 9: So I was going to say, when you get into
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 9: this whole prehistory of kind of Germania, you also get
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 9: within the Balder worship of Balder the beautiful, you have
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 9: the fire festivals that generally took place on June twenty third,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 9: and they would roll these wagon wheels on fire down
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 9: the down the hills and they would have all these
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 9: This is where we get the maypole and the hedge king,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 9: where basically they would bake the bread like you get
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 9: at Marti Gras that has the little baby in it,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 9: and whoever gets the baby is the king for the day,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 9: and they would basically, you know, treat this person extravagantly,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 9: give him the greatest food, the best drinks, all the women,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 9: and then at the end of the day he would
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 9: be the sacrifice that they would basically for the fertility
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 9: of the coming grow season. And then when you go
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 9: later and you get into like the vulk of you know,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 9: the Nazis, they're kind of harkening back to this this time.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 9: But as far as the people kind of behind the
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 9: scenes that were very much building the sacred spaces, they
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 9: were the Zimmerman, which were equivalent to the cathedral builders.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 9: So you have this whole school of mystics that are
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 9: kind of creating these woodland type elven structures that look,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 9: you know, Mark, go ahead.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 10: Mark, Robbie, I just gotta throw this in there. So
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 10: what you're talking about is bell Tang, that's the that's
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 10: the festival. And yeah, bail Tang, that's where it comes.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 11: Because in the in the Bronze Age, the Phoenicians had
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 11: to get their their tin from England, so they had
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 11: a connection all the way back there.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 10: So all of this stuff coming out of there, you
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 10: go later on. All of this stuff comes through that
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 10: uh that Carthaginian slash. And again you were just talking
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 10: about these uh, these builders. That's Biblos. That's one of
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 10: the main cities of Phoenicia.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 9: And that's where the gibb them were that King Hiram
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 9: called up to go work on Solomon Simple, the mighty men.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 10: Right all in there, and if you go to Irish mythology,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 10: it's all right there. They've almost got the Yeah, like
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 10: you were talking.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 9: About, back to hamd basically.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: Forgive me, I'm gonna really quickly. But to go back
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: to my point that I think Germany and Mark, I
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: think this is extremely important research. I genuinely believe that.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: And so the German cultism research that you're presenting today
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: I think is extremely important talked about and discussed because
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: Germany was not just the layover between you know, England
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: to Austria to go visit Rudolph who was a patron
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: of all of the mystics and occultists, and I think
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: he kind of collected them all there. When you look
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: at some of the most influential occultist mystics alchemists across
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: the board, they are German. They are from Germany, they
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: were educated in Germany, and then you look at the inventors,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: you look at the people that have come up with physics,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: part of physics, quantum physics, string theory.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm glad you're making that point because that's what
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: I've found with Yale University too, in a microcosm kind
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  Speaker 1: of way. And I just talked to somebody today about
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  Speaker 1: Rudolph Diesel, another German. Uh who I don't think he
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  Speaker 1: was actually raised in Germany, but yeah, very interesting character.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry to interrupt you out. Yeah, I'm just not at.
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  Speaker 4: All, but how influential not only their physics throughout the
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  Speaker 4: world and throughout history, but their mathematics, but their chemistry.
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  Speaker 2: Yea, I was excited to go back to the mask
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  Speaker 2: that we've got Germany.
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  Speaker 4: And it is almost sadly to say, the measuring stick. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: in of influence globally.
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  Speaker 7: It is no coincidence that the Dresden Dressden Library is
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  Speaker 7: perhaps one of the few that can compete with the
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  Speaker 7: Vatican lib read and they have a collection of restrict
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  Speaker 7: books that are exposed in a large structure in the
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  Speaker 7: middle of the building and protected by glass and tempered,
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  Speaker 7: and so.
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  Speaker 4: It interesting contains all the courtses.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, resident they burned to the ground. They said the
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  Speaker 9: fire was hotter than the sun, than the surface of
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 9: the sun. And those those mass bombings.
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  Speaker 7: Sure, look, they just eliminated all the dissidents within their
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 7: bloodlines and those that they considered that we're bustards, are
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 7: not pure, and they concentrated all this bloodline into one
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 7: single group and then spread it all over Europe to
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: regain control to one single bloodline because it has been
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 7: spreading from chieftains and warlords and whatnot. So that's why
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  Speaker 7: they took all the measures they could to eliminate everyone,
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  Speaker 7: and especially those that were not in agreement with this
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 7: group that no one knows the name, that had these
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 7: agents in the field to reorganize the history of.
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  Speaker 9: Europe, and that is what they were doing.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Casanova was one of them.
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  Speaker 9: So it was a huge threat to Europe itself as
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 9: far as just the rise, and then you get into
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 9: the Kaiser and the size of his army and the
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 9: fact that they said that when he told his army
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 9: to start marching, if he immediately gave the order to stop,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 9: it would take two weeks once the machine started turning,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 9: you know, it's it's just the immensity of this thing
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  Speaker 9: that Europe was very, very threatened by.
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  Speaker 7: Sure, but it was all connected somehow because we know
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  Speaker 7: that individuals like I repeat Sanchama and Giacomo that is
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 7: more common commonly known as as Casanova, they their studies
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 7: went all over the place to study with mystics and
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 7: this this enlightened people inclusively into the library of the
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 7: Vatican when we noticed, because Casanova told the Pope, look,
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  Speaker 7: I like this stuff and all, but please don't make
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: me go there because I'm not interested in reading anything
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 7: of that. He was more interested in woman and stuff.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 7: But he played his part. But they all go into
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 7: all these places. So to say that the Vatican was
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 7: against these groups is not correct because they went all
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 7: over the place. It's all all for show basically, because
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 7: these associations were infiltrated everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, people often point at the Jesuits as a big,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: you know, boogy man. I don't think there's.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 7: The Black Hope still still in charge in the Vatican.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: I think that's that's a well aimed, you know claim
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  Speaker 1: that you know, the Jesuits might be behind some of that.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: The University of Ingolstad is where I believe the Jesuits
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: were formed or or or game Steam, and that was
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: in Germany. But yeah, Saint Germaine's an interesting character. I
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: just had a guy my podcast who his grandparents when
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: he was a kid, told him that, you know, one day,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: this Saint Germaine character is going to be very important
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: to you. And then he later learns that as he
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: got older, he learns that in his family, somebody he
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: was related to was a freemason at the lodge in
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Saint Petersburg, Russia, and there they had Saint Germain's Triangular Manuscript.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: And this is literally a triangular shaped book and it's written.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 7: I haven't If anyone wants it, I can share it.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wow, Okay, do you have your own copy?
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 7: No, I have a pretty good scan of the original.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, please send that to me. I'll send
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: you my email in the chat. But yeah, I talked
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: to the guy who basically deciphered it and then published
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: it in some form through or words suppress. So there's
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: copies of it out there. It's not available anymore, but
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's digital copies too. But yeah, it's fascinating
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: because one of the aspects of this triangular manuscript is
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: that it tells you how to become wealthy, and it
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: might even tell you how to become immortal. Right, because
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: that's the legend he could live in life or maybe
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: even control his reincarnation. Right, That's what I think.
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  Speaker 7: Sant Chairman once told Louis the fifth the fourteen that
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 7: people often say that I'm six hundred years old, and
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 7: I like to hear they say those ridiculous things. But
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: in truth, I'm much older than I look. And I
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 7: can also tell you this. It is not a normal person,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 7: because he did it many times in public, to write
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 7: a love letter with his right hand and to write
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 7: a treaty on alchemy with his left hand. Or he
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 7: would write with his both friends the exactly the same thing,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 7: and when they put it to candlelight, you could not
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 7: say which one was made by which one. You cannot
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 7: distinguish it. He's spoken more than fifty languages, you know,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 7: including Chinese, Arab native languages that were very few people
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 7: knew he could appear. Sorry, go on, it wasn't.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 8: He also said to be psychic and would tell people,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 8: you know, there are things that are about them that
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 8: they weren't. He wasn't supposed to know.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Look, he managed to influence kings because he was
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 7: not a fraud as most people sent because, for instance,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: the father I think the father of I did this
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: paper long ago, so I might not be thinking it right.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 7: But he used to go to to the palace and
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 7: to either to Louis I think it's the father of
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 7: Louis fourteen or Louise fourteen, I'm not sure. But he
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 7: demonstrated how he transmuted anything that anyone gave him into
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 7: gold into a quickly prepared lab. So they give him
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 7: vast areas for him to be his state or his lab.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 7: Everyone wanted it, so he put. He was speaking at
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: the same time with two parties that were at war
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 7: one another, and he was freely going from one country
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 7: to another, which was not possible for instance.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 8: So it's interesting a stream of the conversation, and of
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 8: course of the occult is the power of the mind
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 8: and telepathy, and with the World War two, phenomena of
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 8: them trying to influence each other in the outcomes of
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 8: the battle. This is in double O seven. Of course
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 8: we get from John d who was much psych figure
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 8: and odin. Of course, one one could argue that a
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 8: big part of Odinism would be a psychic phenomena using
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 8: the mind, the third eye, whole thing. And and Lisa,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 8: when you brought up the idea of them also studying
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 8: the space time continuum and so forth, and the site
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 8: high end UH physics, it reminds me of all that
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 8: power of the mind too. But also we see that
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 8: that really in the Cold War they were using the
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 8: whole remote viewing groups and people to engage in espionage
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 8: and information and who knows what all else they're doing
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 8: now with the UH. You know, different technological features fused
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 8: with the mind. So it's really interesting this stream psychic
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 8: telepathic power and even and sometimes this exceptional mental performance
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 8: is really seems to be a part of all these groups.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: When we like to focus on the Germans helped us
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: develop our aeronautics or our physics, we also have to
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: remember that Russia also took key players from Germany as well,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: developing their physics, their aeronautics, their space program. And so
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: it again the influence, you know, it goes across the board.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: And the other thing that I want to say, it
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: wasn't just Oppenheimer that had the technology for the Adam
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: Baum Heisenberg also knew it. He told Neils he knew it.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: It just Hitler didn't want to do the Jews science,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: so he didn't let him build it. So that's the
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: only reason that they didn't have that like we did.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 7: But he knew it.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: He was his right hand scientist, so they knew. And
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: Oppenheimer was Germans.
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  Speaker 10: So I mean, well, they were doing it through heavy
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 10: water instead of doing it through your so I think
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 10: that was the difference. But they were still right about
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 10: the heavy water because that's what the Adam or the
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 10: h bombs are.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: So but to the point of the amount of intelligence,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: and not to say they're superior race by no means,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that. But the amount of intelligence was
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: coming out of Germany from the occult side, from the historical,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: occult mystical side, is extremely influential in later secret societies.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 9: So yeah, Now when you look at Gerta as far
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 9: as I mean he was said to be a member
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 9: of the Illuminati, but as far as just his his
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 9: stories that he wrote the Mickey Mouse, as far as
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 9: the Magician's Apprentice that's a Girta story, the Faust, as
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 9: far as the and he gets into homunculuses and he
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 9: wrote the first story.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, yes, the reminder on that and that just while
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: we're here, thank you for bringing this up again because
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: I wanted to mention this before. But this whole concept
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: of selling your soul to the devil for sort of
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: material gain, this is like the major takes away.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 7: But who has this devil? Who was in the middle
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 7: of the woods and and and he's everywhere? Who is
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 7: this devil? Is its name? Just for normal people say ooh,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 7: that's mad and that don't go there?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Is it?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: Is it the green Man?
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: And I think the point is like they're thumbing their
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: nose at the uninitiated, Like for the uninitiated, Halloween is
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: scary and and oh no, so much fright and blood
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: and gore Halloween movies. But for the initiated, it's another
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: holiday that you know, who's their abundance and allows them
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: to participate in. You know, however, they see the world
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: in a morning.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 7: According to Randall Carson, the Halloween has his All Saints'
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 7: Day or the Day of the Dead has his basis
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 7: on the younger Dreas, So it was an extermination of
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 7: most of mankind and it's kept his memory. Although it
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 7: changed his format and its name, but it still remains
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 7: as the Day of the Dead. It was the time
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 7: when most people lost everyone, let's put it that way,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: So it might be also connected to dead that.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that that point great, But on the larger point
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: of of you know, what occultism means the general public
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: versus what it means to the p or the people
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: who we speculate about on podcasts like this. You know,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: I think again, like the power players, the types of
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: people who send their children to Yale and then do
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: well and go on to do well in life in
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: these realms they're initiated in to this understanding. I think
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: there's you know, universal aspects to it in the sense
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: that they kind of they they're like Crowley, right, if
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: you learn about Crowley, you know, he kind of took
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: from all these different things and was trying to find
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: the truth all of it. It was kind of a
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: galitarian in that sense. Obviously there was a lot of things.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: You've converted some of it probably they wrong and yeah,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: subverted it. But of course he saw the like the
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: universalism and a lot of these things. And I think
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: that's kind of how the elites play it today, Like
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: they're economical in the sense that they know it works.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: They don't care if they need tai chi or teutonic
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: magic or shamanism to do it. They know it works,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: and if they can use that against people who don't
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: know it works, or even better laugh at the idea
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: that it works. Well, now they're in kind of a
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: cushy situation where, you know, again, they send their kids
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: to the right education where these ideas are maybe entrained
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: in them in subtle ways, whereas for the public people
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: like myself went to public school, the opposite is true,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: you know, in most cases, where they sort of entrain
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: you to laugh at these sort of things and to
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: think in a material reductionist sort of way. Yeah, this
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Prussian system. So there's roots in this European area. Again,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: German occultism is probably like a loose, you know, way
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: to describe it, but I think, yeah, there's very much
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: through Yale University in America, a German influence that you know,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: when you consider yourself a conspiracy theorist and then you
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: look at it, you're kind of like, wow, how does
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: it all go back to this one place? And I
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: think that's because Germany is very much like the United
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: States in the sense that it's a new country, it's
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: a new place, and a lot of people immigrated there
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: at a key point in European history, so it became
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: these power to my director.
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  Speaker 10: Mark, if I can comment on that migratory pattern that
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 10: was all due to the close relationship that the United
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 10: States had with Germany going back into the eighteen fifties,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 10: because the number one migrant from Europe into America was
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 10: German for a long long period of time.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: Yea, my last name Irish. I go back to one
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: of the first waves of German people to go into
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: America and then Benjamin Franklin like shipped a bunch of
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: them up to Canada and they became French Canadians.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 10: So if you look at a demographic map of the
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 10: United States, you see that the entire middle portion would
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 10: all be Germanic people and so on the very little
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 10: outside you've got the New England people, and then there's
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 10: a big blotch of New England people out in Utah.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 10: Because that was the migration pattern during that whole trip
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 10: out there, is they came from New York and then
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 10: deposited out there. So it's kind of funny how you
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 10: con track.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: On the point of Germany and that area in particular,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: things had changed in a significant way in these periods
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: leading up to World War One, and people were moving
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: into cities more and more. Right, so the cities in
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Germany really flourished, and that to at least this earlier point,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: that's where you see these intellectual centers blossoming. And it's
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: not that there's a superiority there, it's that there was
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: a convenience for these people to go to these places
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: and then they became you know, like the way we
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: talked about Silicon Valley with tech today, like it's a
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: it's a hotbed types.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 9: So people have well around the Rhyan River right there,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 9: there was a major trade route that came through, so
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 9: you have a huge accumulation of these merchants that are
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 9: settling in almost this protected zone that kind of like
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 9: really allowed it to you know, grow, and a lot
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 9: of these ideas to film it come about. You know,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 9: there's a.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: Really great author who I've interviewed a couple of times
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: on my podcast, who has these great maps of the
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: entire world and he uses rivers and studies the geometry
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: of rivers, and to your point, you know, rivers are
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: where humans congregate. But you can learn a lot about
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: just the energetic patterns of culture and how things flow
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: to your point edlass giant about you know, the way
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: people move on the earth through rivers, and yeah, I
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: encourage anyone to look at Peter Shampoo's work if you're
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: interested in in lay lines or just the energy centers
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: of the land masses, because rivers in particular play a
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: huge role, and not just in the economical and practical functions.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Like in America, the heart and soul of the East
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: Coast is the Susquehanna River, which bleeps out into what
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: becomes like the cape there or I'm sorry the blanking
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: on it. But where Washington, DC is Chesapeake Bay, and yeah,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: that Chesapeake Bay, Susquehanna River, these are ubiquitous. The modern
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: computer in many ways was developed in army labs on
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: the Susquehanna River, the nuclear power plants there, I mean,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: all the different things that have developed along that river.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: You can really learn about America just by studying that
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: one place. And the same is true for the Rhine,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: the Sin. You know, any river that that is major
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: city is going to have a story like that. And
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: that's kind of one of the other topics that I
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: wanted to bring up, not that we have time to
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: get into it today, but Nick asked me like, hey,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: what would you want to talk about? And I threw
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: three unconnected topics out there, and.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: One of them was.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: Occultism and the sort of non I forget how I
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: labeled it, but it's like psycho geography in a way.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: And and I think that you had to come back on. Yeah,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: I'd love to. This is great. I mean not, but
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: you guys are all awesome. So I appreciate the quick
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  Speaker 1: things to touch on. Mark.
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  Speaker 3: So one you said the term earlier, were talking about Nazis,
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  Speaker 3: You know that word ash ash ash Karannazi, right, Uh?
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  Speaker 3: And when you think about how you know certain people
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: have controlled yeah, all sides of every war since all
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  Speaker 3: the way back to Napoleon or probably farther back.
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  Speaker 2: But uh.
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  Speaker 3: And even when you go and read Initiates of the
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: Flame on like a PDF, you see the swastika and
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: the star David on the same page.
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  Speaker 1: So you know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm beginning too. You see that stuff the light in
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: the dark, how Samio is necessary evil? But also Himmler
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  Speaker 3: had a castle. Yeah, and Michael Kino, he's on video
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  Speaker 3: and he's like, here is Heinrich Himmler's dagger.
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  Speaker 9: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: I have a couple of his books, and it's like,
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  Speaker 3: this guy is in charge of our military, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean?
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  Speaker 9: Just saying, well with Michael, not Michael Keno, but who
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  Speaker 9: was it you were talking about there that he has
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  Speaker 9: the swords? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Kimmler? Right him?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: If you go and you read Himmler's works, he talks
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 9: about how they crushed Prussia and it's all related around
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 9: the story of snow White, and he talks about first
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 9: they brought the girdle in, which were the tariffs and
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 9: the taxes, and then the poison apple was when they
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 9: brought the banking system in, and that's you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 9: has a whole snow White analogy of the the international
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 9: banking system and how they basically crush Prussia.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I was actually gonna say something kind of along those lines.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 6: And I'm a big nerd about this kind of stuff,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 6: but I always compare everything to like movies, So just
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 6: bear with me. But isn't this story about like going
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 6: all the way back about like the occultism and the
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 6: ruins and stuff. It reminds me of that Captain America
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 6: movie where they're looking for the TESTSA Act and they
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 6: it's basically like Nazi stuff, right, yeah, and they also
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 6: put a bunch of like Project paper Clip stuff in there,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 6: but it's like they have to go all the way
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 6: back to this like mausoleum thing and it's got runs
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 6: in the tree of Life, and then they have to
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 6: have this pass code and then they get the TESTSA
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 6: Act and then like all the stuff with Captain America
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 6: and the Red Skull is basically like Hitler or whatever.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 6: But they make this stuff so fantastical that when you
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 6: learn about the reality of that, you're like, oh, well,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 6: that's some shit I saw in like a Marvel movie
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: that's not like but it's all based on like the
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 6: reality of things. I think there there are a lot
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 6: of Marvel movies. There's one in particular, I think it's
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 6: an Iron Man one where it's like the nine to
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: eleven stuff in the Terrorists and like you know, they
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 6: are always putting just a little bit of.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 7: Our truf truth half truth.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah into that song. I just wanted to say,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 6: that's what it reminded me of.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I was going to say, there's in World War Two,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 8: there were factions that were against each other overtly but
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 8: actually have the same kind of end result that they
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 8: were seeking. The Zionists wanted a new homeland and the
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 8: Germans wanted to get every Jew into one place. So
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 8: at the end of World War two, at least there
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 8: were elements on both sides that kind of wanted the
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 8: same thing. And you'll please go ahead.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, I was gonna say. They actually minted a coin.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 9: It was an agreement that they had with Israel and
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 9: they were paying for the family and their entire estate
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 9: to move to Israel. I can't remember the agreement. Yeah,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 9: but Himler actually minted a coin that has the swastika
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 9: on one side and the Star of Refresh of the
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 9: Star of as design is called the Star.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: The Schedule of Solomon basically.
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  Speaker 9: Well, according to yeah, if you go back further, it's
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 9: the five pointed star. There's a lot of the pentacle.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, man, you got to get back I mean Nina.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: There were two different spellings of National Socialist Nazi also,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 8: and there's said to be relationship to that with the
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 8: one one version Wassi.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 9: So the Nasi, Yeah, the Nasi is actually the high
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 9: priest of the same hdrin so which is I find interesting.
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  Speaker 7: Well, in essence, I would say that they controlled not
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 7: only the developer of nations and the map, but they
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 7: also control the development of technology and then give it
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 7: to those that they thought that they should be. For instance,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 7: just to finish a particular part of the end of
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 7: life of Chang Germat, he was found in the city
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 7: of Tournay, that was one of the last known mero
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 7: of Asian cities, that was a star fort, and we
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 7: find him here. They're dressed as a wizard. So in
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 7: the seventeenth century, which was not very normal, and what
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 7: he was developing, he was developing the new alchemical And
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 7: if you go to Germany and read how they dominated
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 7: the fabrication of hats, because at that time they were
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 7: trying to find a way to produce hats of high
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 7: quality and durability and so on, and this was an
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 7: alchemical process that produced it. And I believe it was
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 7: cent Germent that developed and then delivered them to the Germans,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 7: and that allowed a huge amount of money to enter
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 7: in that country. So even these small details were also
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 7: dictated by these people and their organizations. So did they
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 7: control everything from the little seed that was put in
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 7: the grounds to wherever was ruling the game.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something you just reminded me of Ricardo and to
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: that point. You know, we might not think about this
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: today much in our multicolored worlds, but Saint Germain was
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: a genius when it came to die and that was
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: one of the main things he used the alchemical knowledge
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: for with dying fabrics, which at the time they only
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: had a very limited palette to work with. And if
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: you had something like purple, oh my god, like the
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: Kings would hey, you know out you know, up the
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: wazoo to put it politely for purple or anything that
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: can show that, oh this guy's clearly like connected to God.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: Look how he's got purple. Like where else do you
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: see that other than an eggplant? Right, so.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 7: I think the all of that kind of stuff.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, So, yeah, that that's something that's kind of
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: we think about it today like colors, you know, big deal,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: But yeah, back then, it's you know, a huge change.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: Like for for the times, people were probably only wearing
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: like cotton colored like pale pale white brown leather like that,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: you know, red because you could use blood as a
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: dye but that's about it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Uh, something I've wanted to, I guess get
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: into because I don't have to wrap it up. Eventually
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: it's going to leave you more. But uh, something I
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: didn't want to make a point on. I think when
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: it does also come to, you know, dramatic occultism. When
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: I had like, you know, not to bring these people
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: up again, but I know me and Lisa I had
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: mentioned them earlier. Something I do want to, you know,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: kind of I think, make a point at. And it
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: was because you had even mentioned Crowley earlier, being kind
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: of like an I said, a master of synthesis, which
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: I took from Toby Chappelle. It's not me he coined that,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: but I really do think he was. And if people
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: want to get in my opinion, get to go at a
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: good idea who he was actually inspired by. Go look
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: at the Gnostics Saints. That's my opinion. Those are the people.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: Because I've covered a bunch of them, and a lot
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: of them I can see like, oh, that's where Crowley
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: got this from. That's where Croley got this from. That's
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: where Crolely got this one. But now like and please
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: bear with me, and I'm trying to get a point here,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: and it's going to be a lot, but let me
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: just get to it. A lot of these older occultists again,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: you go back to Johannes Trithanmiez, Paracelsus, Cornelius Agrippa, Heinrich Kumrath,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: Michael Meyer, as with Kroll, Robert Flood especially, you start
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: looking at these people that showed up in Germany or
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: from in that area. A big thing with them that
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: I don't see anymore. They were polymaths as well, So
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: besides being an occultist, they were also doing math. And
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: they're also and this is a big thing that I
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: keep bringing up. And I even think I spoke to
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: you about this mark about a year ago, and I
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: think you said you were actually kind of interested in it.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: You're like, that could be something, I do think because
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of these people that I just mentioned, they
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: even talk about the body, especially the brain and the eyeballs,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: you know. And again, if you're a polymath, you're also
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: going to be looking at music, which Robert Flood did
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: and a bunch of those other ones. You're going to
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: be looking at the body. It's not just a few
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: things you're looking at. Probably about six or seven different
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: types of ways and looking at stuff. So, like what
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: I'm going to try to get at is that like
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: back then, you saw all these people incorporating music into
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: their stuff and trying to understay that. Michael Myers was
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: considered like the first multimediate person. You had an engraving,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: you had music that had to be played with it,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: and then you even had to read something and then
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: meditate on what's going on. That guy, his ship was crazy.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: You have Robert Flood who like basically came up with
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: the monochord and he was huge with music. The guy
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: was drawing your your your nerves, your blood, your eyeball,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: your brain. I mean, these these people were not just
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: like I'm going to walk around with a crystal in
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: my hand and throw some lavender over my shoulder and
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: I whitch. You know, it's nothing like that. These people
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: were like into so many things besides that, and for
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: some reason that seems to get lost, or in my opinion,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: it's not lost, it's just hidden. We don't talk about
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: that anymore. The people that understand.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: That stuff, it's not ignored.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: Or it goes beyond the memes. So I don't even
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: want to think about it.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: You know, valuable that that it's controlled, you know, and
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: and I don't know that it's unanimously controlled, at least
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: in Western culture, it's controlled to a certain degree. Oh, the
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: Catholic Church just did a lot of people, healthy people
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Like they're putting their children into rigorous courses to learn
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: how to play instruments and learn athletics and do all
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: these different things at very young ages because they want
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: them to have a foundation to be successful. And you know,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: I'm sure everyone you know, praise that they'll birth a prodigy,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: but that's not always the case. So they have to
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: you know, work with what they got. And that's why
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, getting them while they're young and putting
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: them through these different schools that cost a lot of
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: money makes a big difference. But whether or not music
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: makes a difference, I think you're touching on a very
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: important point about human consciousness and why chanting and music
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: have always been major aspects of spiritual practices, going back
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: to you know, the first animal skin pulled over a stump,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: right that that was maybe the first drum, right Like
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: they heard that beat, they started dancing, they started moving
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: in a way. I mean, who knows.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: That could just be the body.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: But I think there's there's truth in that. And that's why,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: you know, you go to a monastery, you go to
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: one of these Buddhist temples, and they have bells, they
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: have chimes, they're chanting. It's all about the sound. So yeah,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: I think that these geniuses of the you know, Enlightenment
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: pre Enlightenment era that we've been talking about, you know,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: they were definitely using instruments and playing the piano and
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: doing all these lives. You pointed out they were polymaths.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: But as to whether somebody figured out a sure fire
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: method for doing it, I'm more of an idealist in
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: the sense that I think karma, absurdity, chance, these kind
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: of the the you know, humdrumness and mundanity of life
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: all play into it. Right, So I think, you know,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: it's it's all part of the human experience. I don't
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: know that everybody's meant to have a manufactured moment of genius.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: I think genius is something that happens to a generation
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: in waves, right, Different generations have different geniuses. You know,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: we don't even know the genius of like my generation.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: Yet they're too young to for anyone to figure it out, right, Like,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: so maybe in one hundred years we'll look back at
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: the twenty tens and twenties and we won't be talking
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: about Elon Musk or any of these other clowns. An
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: now he's talking about some guy that's, you know, working
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: really hard and you know who knows doing what God forbid,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: making the AI stronger. But yeah, I think I think
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: that's a big part of it is is it's not
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: something that you can manufacture, and it's not something that
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: the elites can always buy and have a monopoly on.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of times that genius strikes people
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: who tend to be sentimental and empathetic towards a greater
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: cause and have egalitarian ideologies in some form or fashion
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: always reflects the culture of their time, the political ideologies
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: of their time. But this idea that you know, we
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: should do good and treat others well and maintain that
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: in some sort of systematic way is seems to be
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: a prevailing inspiration and something in common with anyone who
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: has the grace of pulling off a true innovation. I mean,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: how how Rare is a genius. It's not something that
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: you just stumble upon every day.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 8: I wanted to add one little quote for inspiration that
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 8: that we two can at least be smart. Sometimes Einstein said,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 8: uh that I am not smarter.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: I am not.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 8: It's not that I am so smart. It's just that
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 8: I stay with problems longer. And so this insistence to
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 8: you know, build on a foundation and keep going. I
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 8: think this, you know, motivation to keep going is a
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 8: really powerful attribute for our mental pursuits.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 9: Wellin also said that imagination is the most important thing
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 9: overall knowledge, you know, because if you can visualize it,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 9: and you know, imagine that thing, then you can draw
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 9: out the substance of it in order to understand it.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Ron in the comments what's up roun
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: from New England. I love Ron and Braun.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 7: There is a reason why so many of them pass
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 7: through the medicine. So going back hundreds of years, so
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 7: and and and that when they finally ended the medicine,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 7: and in fact Sanermin studied on the last years of
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 7: the last medicine. That's that moved on to other places
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 7: and then spread and disappear. So now it's more underground
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 7: and that as you said, Mark, you have these schools.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 7: But from my perception you if you have to put
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 7: your son into one of those schools and pay for
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 7: it and all you are in a very low class
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 7: because these children are looked after as Jedi look for
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 7: small children with midichlorians. They recognize them, they select them,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 7: they put them on those societies and groups as the
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 7: bohem in Bohemian growth, you can be born on the
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 7: river with no shoes on your family, but if you
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 7: have those traits, they will detect you and they will
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 7: educate you. After so we faced, perhaps after the nineteenth century,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 7: perhaps twentieth century, this democratization because there is not enough
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 7: of them to control as the world has grown, so
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 7: they have to expand and create these elements and educate them.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 7: So well, my point it was just that if you
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 7: have to pay to get that knowledge, you are very low,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 7: well the way above our status, but very low in
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 7: their concern to the to the places of control.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think that's the result of nepotism too,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: you know, like these perhaps mavericks, you know, or a
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: flash in the pan, and they set their family up
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: for ten generations and by the third or fourth generation,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: since the one manner or woman and man who you
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: know made it happen. I think, yeah, it kind of
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: fades and trickles, but with Skull and Bones, it does
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: seem to magnetize a certain type of person, and maybe
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: that's what it is. When I was younger and more optimistic,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: I might have thought that the Skull and Bones were
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: the Jedi, but I'm pretty set they're the sick.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 7: I believe they are neither. They're just they're just one
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  Speaker 7: of these with a very good rate of success and
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 7: infiltrating in the United States because they demoted the real
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 7: mystics and created their own association based on their previous knowledge.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: So it is.
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  Speaker 6: I'm went through Ricardo on that, and I think that
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  Speaker 6: they're just like rich re retards jerking off in front
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 6: of each other in some kind of a weird elite
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 6: circle jerk and it's just I mean, come on, something
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  Speaker 6: is something super gay?
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: Is Michael?
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Rob, even Michael Myers and and Kunroth. We're
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: telling other people. Quit posturing. Quit quit saying that you
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: are imagi. I quit saying that you're an occultist, because
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: you're not. You're doing it all for fame, you're doing
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 4: it all for money. You aren't. You haven't even done
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: the processes. You haven't even done anything. And so they
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: were calling people out then, and this is why you
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: don't hear about them very readily. Just like today, people
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 4: that kind of call people out in terms of who
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: people really are don't really get the fame that they deserve.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, because it wasn't like Bush Junior or whatever
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  Speaker 6: he was in the Skull and Bones and his dad
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 6: wanted to watch him jacket tiny dick off in the
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 6: coffin or whatever, like yeah, I mean, like, come on,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 6: this is a this is a magician, like this is
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 6: supposed to be some kind of like that, like.
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  Speaker 7: Give me a right, all right, Look, the Bush Sun
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 7: was a failed project from the beginning.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah he was.
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  Speaker 3: He did use astronomers or astrologers to invade Iraq and
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: knew exactly what date to do it and everything.
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  Speaker 7: Do you think he did it?
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: Absolutely No, I think.
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  Speaker 6: Somebody did it for him. Did it for him.
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  Speaker 1: His left hand, he's right, he's yeah.
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  Speaker 7: The Ladden the bean Laden gave him a firm of
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 7: where oil wells they're in Texas and he managed to
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 7: bankrupt them. How do you bankrupt a business that has
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 7: no workers, just machines working taking oil off the ground
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 7: and selling it and he managed to bankrupt it. So
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 7: there he was. It was a bohemian, a bohemian, that's
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 7: what he was. So when the guy gets near him
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 7: and says it's done, you see his face. He was
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 7: more frightened than the people that were on the street
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 7: seeing that the towers falling down.
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  Speaker 6: You're talking about Bush junior, right, you're talking about Yeah,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 6: he's such a freaking idiot. And it's like, I don't know, guys,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 6: all I know how to do jack off in a
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 6: coffin in front of my daddy, Like this guy, this
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 6: guy's a magician, give me a break.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, on the other.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 6: Is a different story. I will agree with you on that.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think think Jill Biden and Joe Biden. The
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: US presidency, you know, it's had many handlers behind the
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: scenes at different points with different presidents. And yeah, George
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: Bush Junior is just a failed attempt at giving his
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: father the presidency that he barely had. I mean, what
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: what was it, like, less than four terms that he
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: was president or less than four years? I think it
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: was just one term.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, he was the person that was a constant
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 7: between all those people who was in all of those governments.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 7: I don't know the name because I am not American,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 7: Thank you, Rufield.
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  Speaker 8: George Bush Senior was vice president for eight years before
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 8: that and CIA before that, so technically he's been in the.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 9: Halls of power, at least in Dallas the day Kennedy
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 9: was assassinated as well.
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  Speaker 6: It's a good point.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: Yes, they loved, they liked, they liked watch Prescott, Prescott Bush,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: the granddaddy of Bush Prescott company that was making profits.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah, the Silverado loan company. They were financing the Nazis.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: He was a banker.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 8: One could argue that the Bush boys have been bankers
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 8: for these unsaid and unknown characters that are really behind
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 8: the scenes making moves. But they're like the bankers for
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 8: the boys.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 4: And it said that the Bush Bush name is not
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 4: their real last name.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 6: No, is it German? Are they German? They are okay? Well,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 6: And one of the one of the moms, right, is
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 6: a tranny, supposedly Crowley's kid, right, Barbara bus Barbara with Barbara,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 6: it's just like, yeah, she's got something hiding under her bush,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 6: and it is a penis.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 7: You can say the same for the wife or man
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 7: of Obama.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, one hundred and.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 10: The French president.
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  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, like a ritual that they have to
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: go through or something.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 9: That's what that's what it is.
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  Speaker 5: I think they're more hermetic. That's the That's just that's
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 5: just one iteration, right, Like you don't want to believe
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 5: that that is the hermetic person. But obviously there's a
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 5: group of people have had you that think that that's
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 5: the way to be so hilarity.
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  Speaker 9: Now there was going, I'm sorry, let me tie this
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 9: in real quick. Right, So, as far as the androgynous aspect,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 9: when you go back to mother Kibble and Addis other
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 9: Kibili was a transgender But basically it was on the
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 9: twenty second day of March being three to two two
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 9: right then a pine tree was cut in the woods
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 9: and brought into the sanctuary of Kibili, where it was
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 9: treated as a great divinity and the duty of carrying
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 9: the sacred trees what was entrusted to the guild of
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 9: tree Bearers, and the tree bearers are the Zimmerman as
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 9: far as ties into Germany. So when you follow this back,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 9: Addis and Kibili are the birth of this mystery called
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 9: Addis is where you get that Phrygian hat, that Saturnalian hat,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 9: and so this ties all the way through Germany and
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 9: around when you follow the Russell Trust, you know, basically
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 9: being the opium smugglers that came in and set up
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 9: shop in the United States Georgetown University, so Yale and
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 9: Yale with the skull and bones. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I think what sums it up is at some point
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 7: point in time they no longer needed that these people
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 7: be actual masters as as the old ones were, so
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 7: they just need normal people that could be indocrinated, manipulated, puppeteered,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 7: and and that's how we get the world we have today.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: So all right, I agree with that.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: I think if you guys online, since you know almost
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: two I was in, I think we probably just wrap
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: it up here too. Mark. That was great. That was awesome.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: Thank you so match Man. We'll definitely have to get
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: you on something else.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Nick, you're the best. I really appreciate all this
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: it turned out, and uh yeah, awesome to be on
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: the show after all the tumult, but I love it.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: That's how things that the best friends are made through
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: some hard times sometimes. But I'd love to join you
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: guys all again in the spirit of what we were
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: just talking about to get into this skull and bones
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: topic or whatever else comes up that's interesting. So yeah,
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: I love it. It's awesome to talk to all of you.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: And I put my email in the chat. So if
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: any of you want to get in touch with me
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: to do a one on one pod as well, that's
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: also on the table for any of you. I'd love
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: to see you all for a one on one podcast.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: That's typically how I do my podcasts, one on one.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: But thank you awesome. My family thinks I'm crazy. The
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: name of the podcast and a true statement. Find me
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: on Spotify, Apple, all the podcast apps. And again, Nick,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: thanks for inviting me to do this.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, thank you.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 7: I usually tell you that it's true, but it has
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 7: nothing to do with the rest.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: But thank you, Mark, No, thank you very much for
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: coming on. Man again. It was you know, it's been
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: too you shouldn't have been this long. You know, it
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: took four years, a little too long, but we got
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: you here and again you know meet besides me and
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: you the rest of the rejects. I think, you know,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: we made some magic tonight. I think this was a
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: really good episode. I think we talked on about a
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff. I think we touched on a lot
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: of different areas like Polymatt's would, which is why I
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: have everybody on the show. So thank you for making
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: it happen and it was your topic. I thought it
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: was a kick ass definitely and an a cult rejects show,
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: so I appreciate you for coming on. Jules again, I
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: thank you for jumping on, man, I appreciate it. That's
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: what's up, and uh, I thank you, Robbie Ricardo, Julia Ethan,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: Headless Jin and Lisa. I thank you all for coming on,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: and everybody in the chat. That's what's up. There was
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of people on there from multiple areas that
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: weren't mine. I tried to show some of your chats.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. It was awesome, awesome to see
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: all you hear. And until the next one, everybody be
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: well later